psyker-class

[ripe obsidian]

KF doesn't target sleeping DH, same as Wildfire.

[tacit minnow]

still bad tho !

[ripe obsidian]

KF also doesn't target bursters now

Plus a 20% shorter cooldown

[tacit minnow]

what about a dh that's awake but passive

[ripe obsidian]

Counts as inactive

[analog agate]

Joy to the people who couldn’t control themselves with push attack

[ripe obsidian]

I don't have to watch my buff bar anymore before PAing

[arctic turret]

Rupture my beloved

[patent mango]

this is all distracting us from the fact that loner is hecking gone

🦀 🦀

[ripe obsidian]

I do hate that BB is called smite in the code

[zealous wing]

oh trust me i know its gone

also that is fucking dumb wtf

what is smite clled

[arctic turret]

BB

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/dc3388395e5cef46a39237ae3ab24e2771e91f6c/scripts/settings/ability/archetype_talents/talents/psyker_talents.lua#L168

Chain lightning

[tacit minnow]

?

[arctic turret]

Loner was a bit broken, if you had 4 zealots with it wouldn’t you have 8 coherent

[zealous wing]

its half the problem, the other half is shroudfield

but im taking the fucking win

[patent mango]

shroudfield doesnt aggro dump as much anymore

thats like a 2nd win

[zealous wing]

it doesnt make everything not see you?

[patent mango]

i tihnk it confuses enemies for a bit

[zealous wing]

because in the playtest stream yesterday, in h40, psyker was in the underbelly of carnival with a shroudfield, they went invis, psyker got merced

[ripe obsidian]

Interesting. Hold on.

[patent mango]

ermmm what the scallop....

[patent mango]

i saw like another playtester say smth like this too

i havent tested it myself though lol

[tacit minnow]

guys kinetic flayer is awesome always take it no downsides!!

[zealous wing]

skissue

[patent mango]

the biggest downside is still that its 1 point i could put somewhere else

specially now with psyker having choices

[zealous wing]

if you have danger zone mod you should not be screaming in that direction

kf or otherwise

[tacit minnow]

unfortunately walls exist and this thing goes through them

[zealous wing]

take KF off, she'll still trigger wont she

[ripe obsidian]

Could've sworn KF had if not enemy_breed.tags.witch

[tacit minnow]

no KF shout will wake her from inactive but not aggro her from sleep, active but passive demonhost and shout will aggro

[ripe obsidian]

Ah well. Don't hit the witch

Wildfire definitely doesn't target DHs

And I believe Shriek is supposed to be blocked from alerting if you are not in line of sight. I have had... mixed results on that

[tacit minnow]

yeah i dont believe that at all

[proper osprey]

Huh

[ripe obsidian]

Which part?

[tacit minnow]

every experience ive had says othwerwise

[proper osprey]

This is bait

[burnt frigate]

I pulled DH with Shriek or Wildfire earlier.

[pale prairie]

Pffff this is why I am meleeker

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/dc3388395e5cef46a39237ae3ab24e2771e91f6c/scripts/settings/buff/weapon_buff_templates.lua#L178

[pale prairie]

No chance of brain bursting witches

[tacit minnow]

that shriek doesn't trigger DH if you dont have LoS

[ripe obsidian]

How it's supposed to work isn't necessarily how it works

[burnt frigate]

I shrieked, wildfire procced to the DH, and buddy saw wildfire proc KF BB lightning and woke it up.

[tacit minnow]

yeah i believe thjat it might supposed to but i dont think that works

[tribal mortar]

Does anyone know the range crystalized will can kill?

[tacit minnow]

yeah i tested it and it doesnt seem to

[ripe obsidian]

I did also post the code.

[tacit minnow]

so the issue is moreso shriek, perilous combustion, and kinetic flayer

[ripe obsidian]

PC will hit it, as will fire from Shriek

[tacit minnow]

dot ticks dont bother the demonhost though, if you dont have flayer then PC fire doesnt wake her at all

[burnt frigate]

it's KF that's waking her up

[ripe obsidian]

I dunno. I have woken a witch accidentally single-digit times, and I run Shriek almost exclusively in H40

Is not really an issue for me

[burnt frigate]

I run shriek exclusively because I call the bubble a trap

[tacit minnow]

happens for me all the time, ill aggro one when ive been making sure i dont even look in her direction

[ripe obsidian]

Bubble is very strong. Just boring.

[burnt frigate]

Bubble only has value in herding the cats. Otherwise it slows down competant teams.

[ripe obsidian]

Winning is usually easier with Bubble, but it feels like babysitting instead of playing

[ripe obsidian]

Uh. No.

Not even a little bit accurate

Maybe if you're hiding in bubble

[summer timber]

this thing is so stupid lol

[burnt frigate]

It tends to be like that, don't even deny it.

[ripe obsidian]

But good teams use bubble as 2 seconds of safety to cross open spaces

[ripe obsidian]

I do deny it, lmao.

That's such a bad take

Try using bubble aggressively instead of hiding in it

[burnt frigate]

I really only use bubble on Nurgle beasts to block the spew. Otherwise deflector does it all and lets me shriek at snipers.

[ripe obsidian]

Still boring, but it's not at all slow

Deflector won't get you through a wall of 10 gunners and 3 reapers. Again, don't use it as a defensive tool.

Use it to move forward and kill

[analog agate]

Bubble is useless in auric for a good team. I assume you are talking about h40 though

[ripe obsidian]

If you're still hiding in bubble when it goes down, you're doing something wrong

[ripe obsidian]

I am.

Bubble is very strong in H40. I still barely use it.

[cloud sequoia]

can someone test the new electrokinetic staff , does it still oneshot gunners on crit?

[tacit minnow]

yeah ill test it one sec

[tacit minnow]

with or without flak

[cloud sequoia]

someone complained about DPS drop by half

[cloud sequoia]

with flak

[tacit minnow]

i mem crashed itll be a minute

[analog agate]

Seemed to one shot them in the game I played. I was buffed though

[silver echo]

so does the plasma gunner just seem to ignore ranged attack immunity? I feel like empathic evasion is doing nothing vs them

[ripe obsidian]

EK crit damage has been bugged for... probably over a year. So it is doing too little damage. But that's not new.

[silver echo]

maybe it's just cause it's always 12 plasma gunners firing at once

[ripe obsidian]

It ignores suppression. Dunno about EE

[patent mango]

500 plasma gunners jumpscare

[burnt frigate]

Still wouldn't use a bubble.

[silver echo]

I swear the patch notes called them a specialist when they're clearly elites and also they suck ass and should be specials for how strong they are

[patent mango]

they should be specialists cause they're literally special

they have a debuff and pierce golden toughness

also they're like 10x stronger than any other elite

that too i guess

[cloud sequoia]

"specialist" spawn in 3-5 like gunner

[silver echo]

trying to dodge the 10 plasma gunners aiming at you is only beaten in frustration by trying to dodge the 10 plasma gunners aiming at your team all near you so you can't just dodge

[patent mango]

i'd rather they buffed other ranged enemies more and plasma gunner was weaker lmao

[silver echo]

literally they're a stronger, tankier, faster firing, and less warning sniper

[patent mango]

they dont even explode either

[silver echo]

that also pierces gold toughness and I swear ranged immune

[patent mango]

well cara helm is strong against ranged

[cloud sequoia]

carapaced head

[burnt frigate]

They're like armored maulers where you can get body shots past the armor.

[silver echo]

also why did they remove the 200 damage from the other venting shriek node they made the skill somehow even more ass than before

[cloud sequoia]

do people even use the 200 one

[patent mango]

its funny

[silver echo]

a strict downgrade to any enemy with less than 2000hp and it only lasts 8 seconds like wtf are they thinking

[silver echo]

no because it was bad, only use was if you just really hated dog waves and also can't wait 5 seconds for fire to kill them

[tacit minnow]

getting ~1300 dmg on a flak crit at 6 warp charges with 90 peril

[ripe obsidian]

If the crit worked properly, that would be like 1600-1800. Sadness.

[tacit minnow]

~1300 to ~1400

[ripe obsidian]

Also, for some stupid reason, EK damage is literally a dice roll.

Hooray for damage randomization, I guess.

[tacit minnow]

i didnt really build crit on my ek build yeah

[ripe obsidian]

EK's code has the crit scaling in the wrong place

[tacit minnow]

was kinda passable in havoc as far as off meta goes but pretty game ruining on auric lol

[ripe obsidian]

It doesn't work right

[thorn cedar]

man this game is so fucken good

[patent mango]

tree reworks out game finally playable 🙏

[fringe tangle]

Cool skill name, but I think they should add one more thing to it for its namesake.

Have it give a 10% chance for any attack to do zero damage to the psyker, like the attack phased through them like some sort of ghost.

[ripe obsidian]

Make the most OP talent even more OP?

[manic bridge]

10% chance on down to completely disappear

[pale matrix]

Did fatshark get rid of quelling between charges of your staff?

[fringe tangle]

Sure.

[silver echo]

yes only assail now

[ripe obsidian]

Quell cancelling? Like a year ago

[pale prairie]

Nah crystalline will should just do a 360 degree creeping flames explosion

[manic bridge]

Is there a comprehensive list of all talent / weapon changes?

[ripe obsidian]

Patch notes.

[pale prairie]

Just to see Six struggle to not take it

[ripe obsidian]

In the news page on this discord.

[ripe obsidian]

Kersplode shall I

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-hart-tears-of-joy-tears-crying-gif-1795347642895926641

[gray juniper]

So I did the math on medic momentum assuming it stacks multiplicatively. I came to 27% or 28% rounded up. Is this right? @ripe obsidian

[ripe obsidian]

Malefic Momentum?

[gray juniper]

Yea

[potent echo]

Anyone manage to math their way to one shot scab ragers with BR

[gray juniper]

If you get all 5 stacks what the damage increase per

[ripe obsidian]

I believe it is additive with itself. Not positive. Can find out. If it is multiplicative, it would be 27.6%, yes

[gray juniper]

Cool that’s what I came up with

Shit kuli says it stacks additively lol

[ripe obsidian]

What a creative name it has in the code.

"psyker_kills_stack_other_weapon_damage"

[gray juniper]

Seemingly either process would amount to 25% or above. It’s great that’s in the middle of the tree now

I’ve been consistently using it as of now

[zealous wing]

ok so

my EK build

blew me up twice

this is not ideal

ER might be needed with ghost active

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/dc3388395e5cef46a39237ae3ab24e2771e91f6c/scripts/settings/buff/buff_settings.lua#L761

[burnt frigate]

Yeah I noticed some wonkiness around 95% if ping is anywhere >70ms

[patent mango]

get crystalline will

its the only way

[zealous wing]

or, dare i say, a hunt for a 70/70 EK staff, WR / QS

no actually

getting crystal will will only save me from going down.

ill still lose half my hp

[pale prairie]

It’s okay I blew up today cause I threw just 1 more shard than I should have

[zealous wing]

ive done that as well but thats ghosts fault

[patent mango]

6 wounds would give you a few chances 🔥

[frigid charm]

hey

uh

[zealous wing]

id rather keep my toughness and hp

[frigid charm]

is bubbleknight

[patent mango]

ig psyker is 5 actually

[frigid charm]

still

okay

[zealous wing]

probably

[patent mango]

its better

oh my god lets kill hadron

[pale prairie]

It’s even better

[frigid charm]

oh boy!

[zealous wing]

idk if anyones remade it yet

[ripe obsidian]

meleeker and gunker are in their golden age

[frigid charm]

anyways back to my java hw

[zealous wing]

i havent, thats another days issue

[burnt frigate]

Bubbles are still a great way to tell on yourself.

[frigid charm]

goodbye varlets

[frigid charm]

what?

[pale matrix]

What weapons can I pair with inferno staff so I can deal with crusher hordes?

[zealous wing]

FGS

deimos

[prime elk]

obscurus, duelling sword, knife

[ripe obsidian]

Is bait. They're convinced that bubble is bad.

[prime elk]

deimos yeah

[zealous wing]

lmao

bubble isnt telling on yourself, SMITE is

[pale prairie]

They added a bunch of damage resistance nodes to the middle of the tree and another node called Ghost that lowers the speed that your peril PASSIVELY goes down. So much easier to maintain high peril. Also a 20% damage node on bosses and ogryns. With the addition of a new plasma firing elite bubble is very meta

[zealous wing]

if youre a smyker, you will be left to fend for yourself when your peril caps out

[frigid charm]

oh very cool

[frigid charm]

whistles in ex-smyker

[zealous wing]

the important thing there is, EX

im guessing you learned your lesson one way or another

that or pausing the game got boring

[frigid charm]

bullied 😔

[zealous wing]

GOOD

[pale matrix]

What even are you running?

[ripe obsidian]

Here's a quick bubble knight template. Season to taste.

oh, ffs screenshot

[static sonnet]

Just logging in, lets see what mods are borked

[pale prairie]

I mean the keystone was obvious lmao

[zealous wing]

im just gonna

[frigid charm]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-tom-holland-yoink-gif-11346283

[pale prairie]

Numeric UI fucks with ammo counter. Turn off in mod options the “show ammo and grenade pickup”

[pale prairie]

Excellent no BCoB I agree with this. THOUGH I think warp expenditure is mandatory for bubble knight

[ripe obsidian]

Here's a full build for maximum survivability. Can drop one of the middle nodes for Quietude if you want.

[zealous wing]

also yoinked

[ripe obsidian]

BCoB is for endless SG, not for bubble

Bubble wants to be peril maxxing

[pale prairie]

He stole my build (crit chance aura)

[pale prairie]

Endless SG overrated

[ripe obsidian]

Is funny

Funny > good

[nocturne dust]

You're overrated

[zealous wing]

k i shall review these tomorrow, i am going to go be unconcious, unwillingly

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/aj-holmes-tcb-tin-can-bros-flop-stoppers-your-point-gif-21525296

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/no-its-a-statement-of-fact-detective-frank-cosgrove-law-and-order-no-it-is-a-factual-statement-no-it-is-an-assertion-of-fact-gif-12091461630457848289

[ripe obsidian]

I made them in about a minute without any ingame testing. They can probably be optimized a bit. Or at least modified to preference

[zealous wing]

oh btw, if something insane is discovered, please ping me, or DM me, preferably if its fucking hilarious, like an unknown arby nerf

[thorn cedar]

Immaterium is so fucken good

[zealous wing]

i want to know when to look for more arby screams of anguish at the horrible horrible unecessary nerf they got with no compensation (that was so good)

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-im-devastated-gif-14242456

[burnt frigate]

Honestly I feel like Psyker got a nerf in the middle of all the HP pool increases. Am I supposed to kowtow because my tiny bit of toughness can be a little more tough?

[thorn cedar]

Not justa little more.

[zealous wing]

lmao what nerf? the aura that every dumbass h40'er required psykers to have no longer being a team thing?

[nocturne dust]

Hi devastated, I'm DeadVoid

[pale prairie]

I ran SG crit aura all defense today and it worked well. I think it will work better with a 60 WR sword. I was also using riposte but honestly think shred would have been better. Will see. Did pretty darn good. Regular auric felt like maelstrom

[cloud sequoia]

[ripe obsidian]

oh my lord the drama

[pale prairie]

So you’re empty and not alive? Average gamer

[zealous wing]

LMFAO

[pale prairie]

Not special

[nocturne dust]

Psyker got a lot tougher but did receive some hefty nerfs.

[zealous wing]

thats the same fucking vibe as the arby screaming about how arby now feels like a weak little girl

[ripe obsidian]

Psykinetic Aura deserved the nerf.

Veteran CD ability also got nerfed hard.

[zealous wing]

even with the nerf its fucking good

[ripe obsidian]

So it goes.

[nocturne dust]

No, it's tongue-and-cheek edge. A void that is, itself, dead. Meaning it's not a void. Look, I was young and thought I was smart.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/or-yehuda-edgy-or-yehuda-edgelord-gif-25925736

[thorn cedar]

Honestly I would skip PA if I could but it's in a very critical spot

[zealous wing]

if i'd had the right curios on (had revive speed from testing, forgot to reput CDR) i'd have been perfectly fine

[cloud sequoia]

i have a lot more, im well fed till new year

[restive slate]

So... any builds around the new Crystalline Will? Hehe

[burnt frigate]

Doesn't do enough damage.

[nocturne dust]

They should double its buffs

unironically

[burnt frigate]

They doubled the damage while doubling the HP pools on most specials and elites.

Pure trap talent.

[restive slate]

Should also apply Soulblaze stacks

[zealous wing]

i was having no issues in auric, so, skill issue? i guess?

i was sailing through even while rubberbanding on another server connection

[cloud sequoia]

so nothing changed in terms of breakpoint

[pale prairie]

Me too. I would love an extra point

[ripe obsidian]

Crystalline Will is a funny talent, and therefore it is the best in the game

[nocturne dust]

I do skip PA

At least for one of my random test builds

[zealous wing]

well, BB is stronger, and you can reliably keep peril high for warp splitting for assail, so both of those are buffed, directly or indirectly

[burnt frigate]

Are you making a point or just saying words hoping to upset someone?

[zealous wing]

idk, are you?

[restive slate]

You're both beautiful

[pale prairie]

Were you playing staffker? Cause I can understand that feeling not as good. Most of the buffs were around meleeker

[ripe obsidian]

EK and Voidstrike are the biggest losers in Psyker Town

[zealous wing]

sut also had no issues, as astaffker

[pale prairie]

Yep

[nocturne dust]

really? Hasn't felt like it

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

[nocturne dust]

meant to reply to this

[sinful perch]

Goddamn Psykers eating good with this update

[zealous wing]

we are.

[sinful perch]

Everything is so flexible now

[ripe obsidian]

Flexible, you say?

[pale prairie]

Because of the nature of EK’s broken critical damage and randomized damage. With bigger health pools it’s even harder to hit predictable breakpoints. Hmmmmm

And voidstrike is just voidstrike

[ripe obsidian]

Poor Voidstrike

[pastel turtle]

is crystalline will bugged? just had an overload outright kill me when I had full health

[burnt frigate]

ping dependant

[ripe obsidian]

Welcome to Havoc.

[nocturne dust]

Icarus 😔

[pale prairie]

I remember when it was good

[zealous wing]

someone is claiming VS is good with SG

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/pepperidge-pepperidge-farm-remembers-remember-gif-15527169458174144495

[pastel turtle]

lol this damn game

[nocturne dust]

Relatively, yes

[ripe obsidian]

In havoc, all melee attacks do additional corruption damage.

[nocturne dust]

[ripe obsidian]

If you were not in havoc, dunno.

[pastel turtle]

I was doing qp damn

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike with Scrier's is a decent Voidstrike

[pale prairie]

Yeah it’s decent. But you’re working harder to meet the same effectiveness of other staffs

[zealous wing]

ah so still bottom of the pile

[zinc phoenix]

bubble knight trivializes the new event

[zealous wing]

noted

[viscid matrix]

Is it randomised? I thought it had specific amount of damage depending on the armour type

Like it does more to flak and carapace

[zealous wing]

and yes

[ripe obsidian]

The charge time is abysmal and the cleave is wretched

[patent mango]

shrimply let voidstrike shots bounce off walls

[zealous wing]

yes bubble saved our asses

[ripe obsidian]

EK has randomized damage, yes.

[zinc phoenix]

the newbies cant handle the sniper and special spam but if you bub em they do fin

[patent mango]

then its peak

[nocturne dust]

But it gives funny dopamine when enemies are in a line

[zinc phoenix]

voidstrike is fun

[viscid matrix]

When did they randomize it?

[potent echo]

I went back to VS

Brrrr

[burnt frigate]

Like I was saying before, bubble is great for herding cats.

[ripe obsidian]

It always has been. I will find the code.

[pale prairie]

It has that but it literally rolls a dice for the damage as you cast. So the number is randomized then it hits the armor which changes the amount of damage further. It’s also not getting its full critical damage applied cause of a bug in the code. (At least it looks that way)

[zealous wing]

bubble is also great for melee central

[zinc phoenix]

i like the plasma troopers

they add a nice wrinkle

[zealous wing]

toughness regen is goated, especially in havoc

[potent echo]

Idk if VS should use channeled force talent

[zinc phoenix]

sniper v2

[nocturne dust]

They're annoying

[potent echo]

Those numbers are so small though

[nocturne dust]

This is precisely why they're annoying

[zinc phoenix]

theyre less deadly but carapace

so thats fun

[nocturne dust]

and have way less warning

so way less fun

[pale prairie]

Is it me or it feels like even if they miss you there’s like an AOE to the bullet path. Maybe it’s the fact 10 are firing at once.

[zealous wing]

k, 0430, i flee or i will never leave. goodluck, lmk if you start collecting data, six, i shall help if i can

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/dc3388395e5cef46a39237ae3ab24e2771e91f6c/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_templates/force_staffs/settings_templates/force_staff_damage_profile_templates.lua#L771

[thorn cedar]

Bodies are flak. Dunno what their hitmass is but smite locks them down quickly enough and unlike snipers they don't run off to far corners

[potent echo]

They were always randomised

[pale prairie]

Whoa

[zinc phoenix]

wut

[potent echo]

Back then before skill trees they tossed a coin whether they can one shot scab shotgunners

[pale prairie]

Cries in no warpsplitting

[burnt frigate]

Remember those fucking skill buttons and you just... picked one of three?

[potent echo]

No PC

[tacit minnow]

warp flurry warp slice vro

[nocturne dust]

Battle Meditation 😭

[tacit minnow]

ez

[viscid matrix]

Back when we only had brain pops

[ripe obsidian]

PC is not great if you don't have other sources of warpfire

[potent echo]

Untrue

[tacit minnow]

this is a meme build lol

[prime elk]

PC's ok even by itself

[nocturne dust]

Six is correct

[prime elk]

not a must take tho

[zinc phoenix]

they were great, clear cut and quick builds

[potent echo]

I played a few games without PC and I definitely miss it

Especially those rager clumps

[zinc phoenix]

i wish they had developed that route more

small number of big choices > many little choices

[nocturne dust]

[patent mango]

amogus

[ripe obsidian]

In games where I have had PC and no other sources of warpfire, I end up with like 20k warpfire damage at most. Things just die before the fire can do its work.

[burnt frigate]

I remember my take at the time was feeling like I was being treated like a WoW player with the dumbed down systems.

[nocturne dust]

Main thing PC kills by itself is trash

[potent echo]

Also

[pale prairie]

Especially if you’re using assail or melee

[tacit minnow]

aw yeah my tac axe will go from 3 cleave to 6 and then immediately back down to 3 because i quelled 40 peril in one push attack

[pale prairie]

Maybe on gunker

[potent echo]

Ever since they make SB kills proc PC

It's so broken

[viscid matrix]

Kinda wish they gave us the ability to use old trees as a game mode and go into aurics

[ripe obsidian]

I don't want to have this argument again ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[potent echo]

Mmm then don't

[burnt frigate]

That'd be a great Mortis Trial mode.

[pale prairie]

Yeah I don’t like the BCoB yo yo

[potent echo]

I don't care about stupid numbers

I just know I need PC when I need it

[pale prairie]

Vibe building

Nice

[prime elk]

you take PC to amp up your damage
i take PC to make my teammates' games lag
we are not the same

[ripe obsidian]

SB not triggering PC was a bug. Fixing it was correct. On its own, PC is not a troll pick, but it isn't great. It shines when you have already put 16 stacks on enemies and it pushes them to the 20s

[tacit minnow]

bro its psyker who gives af

[potent echo]

Fighting rager clumps without PC vs with PC

It's so different

[nocturne dust]

Not caring should be a reason to not take PC, lmao

[potent echo]

Numbers don't reflect real game situations

[nocturne dust]

Hard disagree if it's your only soulblaze

[ripe obsidian]

???

[viscid matrix]

Why the hell does it randomize

[nocturne dust]

Like, how many ragers are you fighting in a clump, 50?

[ripe obsidian]

I wish I knew. It's a goofy choice.

[potent echo]

Whether it is enough to lower enemies to one shot with your heavy attack

[willow hazel]

fighting anything in a clump is better with PC

[potent echo]

Also after long enough they might even be in assail oneshot range

[willow hazel]

or a teammates heavy attack

[nocturne dust]

They should be dead long before then

[burnt frigate]

It's not even a true random either, you could influence that

[viscid matrix]

Like it’s only .2 damage difference on the first one, but that’s a breakpoint

[ripe obsidian]

20% is pretty significant

[potent echo]

I even tried funny training area things like duelling sword only vs 20 crushers

PC helps so much even then

[viscid matrix]

It’s more like 17% but yeh still significant

[ripe obsidian]

Also, 3 stacks of soulblaze is ~7 damage per tick.

[ripe obsidian]

I was just doing 90% to 110%. Lazy math

[nocturne dust]

Placebo is a heck of a drug

[potent echo]

It's literally not though

[nocturne dust]

[potent echo]

Why don't you try and see

[nocturne dust]

I do see

[potent echo]

Nuh uh

[nocturne dust]

You're literally advocating for PC for crushers man 😭

[potent echo]

My duelling has uncanny

[pale prairie]

That’s like 2 damage per stack?

[dusk void]

Question. If I take Soulstealer, Souldrinker, and Quietude, do I need Essence Harvest? More toughness regen?

[pale prairie]

On let me check my notes

[potent echo]

This is like basics PC SB interactions

[ripe obsidian]

No

[pale prairie]

6500 hp?

[potent echo]

Do you just not play with either of these

[nocturne dust]

That's nice. Call me when the crushers are dead.

[potent echo]

Idk you rather have PC or not have PC

[nocturne dust]

Would you rather have a positive effect or not a positive effect

That's a bad question

It's more about the opportunity cost

[potent echo]

200 damage per tick on 20 targets isn't nothing

[ripe obsidian]

Do not lecture me on Soulblaze mechanics. I have trawled the wastelands of the code, I have seen the very fabric of its essence. I have wrought it into my very being. It is me, and I am it.

[potent echo]

But 🤷‍♂️

[ripe obsidian]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1295449409160478781/chiquichico-ezgif.com-instagif.gif

[pale prairie]

Bruh he doesn’t care about numbers you think you can convince him of anything?

[nocturne dust]

Bruh, how are you getting 200 damage per tick

[potent echo]

Uncanny

Bruh

[nocturne dust]

okay, and?

[potent echo]

Do you guys even play this game

[patent mango]

i dont evne use ds

[nocturne dust]

you gotta kill 7 elites first to get to 20

[pale prairie]

So this is bait

[nocturne dust]

and all those enemies have to be in range

[ripe obsidian]

16 stacks is 130 damage per tick at 100% adm.

[nocturne dust]

this is ridiculous

[pale prairie]

7 CRUSHERS

[potent echo]

There are other bonuses

Like warp rider

[patent mango]

nooo nooo its hecking SPREADING

[potent echo]

PT

[nocturne dust]

This is just bait bro, I'm out

[potent echo]

Malefic for awhile because SB kills count as warp kills

[paper harbor]

[potent echo]

I'm getting baited

[weary idol]

it's not really that big of an ask for gun psyker builds tbh

[analog agate]

Why would you think Dead is against PC haha

[weary idol]

gun psyker can mulch through 7 elites with a snap of their fingers

and PC would then kill any stragglers

[pale prairie]

PC IS SO OP but wait let me add in all these other talents to make it sound more powerful than it is

[patent mango]

gunker has too many good options to take pc tbh

[weary idol]

yeah lol

warp ghost my beloved

where have you been all my life

[patent mango]

warp ghost!!!!!!!!!!!

[prime elk]

gunker buffed, thank god

[ripe obsidian]

PC on its own is fine, but not really worth it. PC with other soulblaze talents/sources is fantastic.

[prime elk]

was so weak before

[weary idol]

yeah gunker was clearly underperforming because nobody plays it /s

[nocturne dust]

Well sure, but do that with 7 crushers now

[dusk void]

is Vulnerable Minds worth taking? I'm generally against monstrosities or whatnot, but I feel it is a niece thing to have

[nocturne dust]

I like it

[ripe obsidian]

If you have a spare point, sure.

[nocturne dust]

I hate bosses

[weary idol]

fucking WATCH ME

[nocturne dust]

and crushers

[dusk void]

I think it's valuable, especially with the inferno staff

[weary idol]

just uh

[nocturne dust]

[weary idol]

actually maybe don't watch me

[ripe obsidian]

Is fine on Inferno. Just lots of great competing talents. Preference, but not mandatory

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/blindfold-excited-gif-13194418

[ripe obsidian]

This is my current Inferno build. Might change with time, but we will see.

[nocturne dust]

I need to do more testing with the unchained node

Anyone know if it works on toughness yet?

[ripe obsidian]

This is not ideal.

[patent mango]

it does

[analog agate]

I appreciate them getting rid of the 5% crit chance node there. Now I don’t ever have to go right

[patent mango]

i thought it was only hp but nah works on tgh too

[nocturne dust]

noice

[gray juniper]

Sorry for being a pain in the ass but I can’t find it

[nocturne dust]

I miss it 😭

[patent mango]

its at the middle

[ripe obsidian]

warp_damage = "additive_multiplier",

[patent mango]

its in every build now lol

[nocturne dust]

Should be on the right too 😏

[gray juniper]

Ah ok Nah i believe you. I thought you wanted me to see something else about it

[ripe obsidian]

Nah

I just like citing sources

[nocturne dust]

Just make every minor node +5% crit chance or +25 toughness actually

[willow hazel]

it a damage source that multiplies with all your other damage buffs

[patent mango]

evil pc that multiplies with none of your dmg buffs

[nocturne dust]

Except melee

[ripe obsidian]

Look, PC is a good node. But it requires time to work well. If you aren't a Soulblaze focused build, you are doing way more damage with other sources, which means it doesn't get much time to actually do shit.

[patent mango]

we willed unchained into 40k

🙏

[willow hazel]

shoot 3 gunners, another 2 die for free while reloading

[dusk void]

yay or nay with this knife/trauma build tt?

[willow hazel]

and it's warp kills for MM

[ripe obsidian]

9 soulblaze stacks is 51 damage per tick. If you're killing 2 gunners with that, you're in Malice difficulty.

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, to the ogryn with the shovel

[patent mango]

if i reach the gunners the rest wont live long enough for PC to do much

[willow hazel]

plus all the damage in the tree and whatever weapon blessings apply

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, so 100 damage per tick, being generous. You're in Heresy.

[willow hazel]

100 per tick kills a shotgunner from full health

[ripe obsidian]

How long does it take?

[willow hazel]

does it matter when your immune to range attacks?

kills something else

[ripe obsidian]

Changing the topic. Cool.

In H40, shotgunners have 2250 HP.

Soulblaze ticks every 0.75 seconds.

Not even counting stacks ticking down.

[willow hazel]

In havoc 40 there are way more elites/specialists to kill

[ripe obsidian]

That's 17 seconds to kill a shotgunner.

[willow hazel]

and each kill resets the timer

[short lily]

Purg psyker is so fun now damn

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, go into an H40 game with PC and no other sources of soulblaze. Use scoreboard. Show me your final soulblaze damage.

[willow hazel]

unfortunately whatever scoreboard im running lumps soulblaze with melee

but prior to that it was 7-12% total

on melee psyker

[summer prairie]

I don't think it was even 5% for me

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, it was like 3% for me. Everything died before soulblaze could do anything.

[summer prairie]

Sometimes when your team was mostly dead you could get value out of it but now there are other picks and there's no reason to path through it

[willow hazel]

not havoc40, but some AM with a taxe

[silver echo]

yea I also found PC not really worth it without the soulblaze package

[gray juniper]

I am getting absolutely dogged by these plasma gunners in the fog

[silver echo]

I guess you can just use it for souldrinker for more crit now that it's not so out of the way

[severe folio]

does devil claw carry uncanny strike with it

[silver echo]

plasma gunners are just super overtuned atm tbh

I have been really enjoying the DS change the parry is nuts for DH killing

[gray juniper]

Brain not registering these warm up sound even. Used to it being a friendly sound

[willow hazel]

haven't even noticed plasma gunners with EE

[pale prairie]

It needs a laser sight

Like a big blue one

[gray juniper]

Yes like the sniper

[zinc phoenix]

it wont kill em outright but it often gets last hits

you hit stuff for x-2 and the enemy has x hp, the soulblaze finishes em off

i wouldnt call it op by any stretch but its a nice to have for a melee build if you can fit it

and you could in the old setup but theres stuff that feels better now

[ripe obsidian]

I already said it was fine, but lackluster

[zinc phoenix]

eh i wasnt reading that whole massive thing, i just caught a bit

[pale prairie]

You could in the old setup but I never really ran it and did fine

[zinc phoenix]

i just wanted to point out that you dont have to 100 to 0 a baddie for pc to add value to a build

whats funny is this new tree is basically the old build system with extra steps

[ripe obsidian]

the other person was saying that killing 3 gunners would do enough SB to kill 2 more while you reload.

Hence my argument.

[zinc phoenix]

well thats nonsense lol

[pale prairie]

It’s just more bait

Ridiculous

[willow hazel]

it literally does on auric

[zinc phoenix]

ok, sure

maybe sometimes

if the moon is aligned with jupiter or whatever

you get a really big pack and you murder a solid chunk of it yourself while leaving a couple alive because who knows why

and your team totally ignores them ofc

the soulblaze will maybe handle it if it stacks high enough

[jovial juniper]

The solar flare changing DT code so it all aligns

[manic bridge]

vigi autogun mkvii is kinda funny on psyker.

[pale prairie]

Hey look at that new gunner hp is 1500 for scab shotgun and 1700 for scab gunner

[zinc phoenix]

assail is not as fun as it was with the new hp values

before i would clear cut entire zones

[pale prairie]

It’s okay I can tank an overhead crusher swing now

[zinc phoenix]

now... not so much lol

[zinc phoenix]

yeah i was pretty surprised when that happened in an auric

[pale prairie]

Insane

[zinc phoenix]

did they do a havoc reset?

[pale prairie]

I believe so? I haven’t checked but Sut was saying he’s back to rank 30

[zinc phoenix]

ugh

[pale prairie]

Have to keep pulling you back

[manic bridge]

are the amount of crushers actually reduced? nearly doubling their hp is a definitely a choice

[zinc phoenix]

theyre definitely scarier

[patent mango]

crushers r more fun now that they get to live for 2s more

[zinc phoenix]

i mean i feel it when theres a blob of em

[patent mango]

and i havent seen 300 crushers hordes so far

[zinc phoenix]

the hordes of crushers are for sure smaller

[patent mango]

i hated when they overlapped with each other and i couldnt see the back ones attacking

[zinc phoenix]

same problem with maulers

[paper harbor]

update darktide mod loader

[ripe obsidian]

I just figured that out, but thank you

[zinc phoenix]

i also used to routinely see them spawn from a point and theyd come out in that half moon formation all clipping one another

[patent mango]

if the moebian 21st figured out that they could just send like 30 maulers and hide them around crushers they'd win instantly

[ripe obsidian]

Hm. One of my mods is killing the penance menu. Alas.

[manic bridge]

I have a feeling kinetic deflection with the dueling sword parry is going to be a bit crazy

[zinc phoenix]

its ok

i tried it already

i went ds5 to go extra wacky

[radiant frigate]

is that 50% cdr or +50% cooldown recovery rate

[patent mango]

new meta build???

lmao

[radiant frigate]

ER playable now

[ripe obsidian]

I believe it's 50% CDR flat.

[weary idol]

I tried it

It's like...okay?

You can't chain parries the same way dclaw can

But also the parry kills crushers so silver lining

[radiant frigate]

huh

SG buffed

[weary idol]

yeah

20% TDR node was baked in

because gun psyker is a fringe niche playstyle and clearly needs all the help it can get /s

[radiant frigate]

also 2.5% toughness per second baked in

[manic bridge]

did brain burst really need a nerf due to hp changes?

[zinc phoenix]

i thought bb got buffed?

[gray juniper]

Event is beating everyone’s ass apparently

[weary idol]

yeah

[gray juniper]

It’s demoralizing seeing the rest of the teams health bars get melted

[jovial juniper]

It's simply not a good event

[radiant frigate]

headsplosion good again?

[jovial juniper]

[zinc phoenix]

bring bubble and enjoy easy life and easy wins

[jovial juniper]

All low visibility

[radiant frigate]

what's the event

[gray juniper]

We had a bubble psyker tho 😭

[manic bridge]

so better returns the more you invest into it?

[jovial juniper]

Low visibility
Plasma spam
Iirc

[zinc phoenix]

the liability needs to be actually competent

[radiant frigate]

splendid

[gray juniper]

Tru. He seems decent

[radiant frigate]

what makes the plasma gunners different

[pseudo grove]

is soulstealer worth it at all

[weary idol]

also also the new talents being gun psyker food lmao

[weary idol]

they're like snipers with less warning really

[zinc phoenix]

if they hit you will have a bad day. also they look like captains which is scary. and they have thicc armor

[weary idol]

I don't think they have any toughness blowthrough damage

but they instantly set your toughness to 0

[jovial juniper]

Just like captains
Plasma breaks all toughness
Then apply a toughness Debuff

Which is unique

But like

[gray juniper]

The captains are using the gun consistently at range, not a pattern. All of them fire fast. You have mauler tier plasma gunners that fire just as fast

[weary idol]

yeah and they lower your toughness replenishment

[zinc phoenix]

if they hit your hp it is really bad

[jovial juniper]

Not unique unique

Fire and gas does the same

Except map gas

[radiant frigate]

curious

[weary idol]

they're not super common though from what I'm seeing

the event spawns a fuckton of them in swarms but I haven't seen very many outside of that

[zinc phoenix]

in the event they blob like crazy

it is very bad when they blob up with snipers

[weary idol]

they seem to be considered the same "tier" as maulers/scab ragers

[zinc phoenix]

also assail just does not seem to do much to them

[gray juniper]

Fire seems toned down a bit. Like actually can jump through it without crippling stun and health damage

[weary idol]

they have flak body carapace head

assail targets the head

[zinc phoenix]

yeah i get the carapace bounce sound and become sad

[jovial juniper]

Get fucked lol

[zinc phoenix]

bubble knight works pretty good tho

the og node 👌 so nice

[jovial juniper]

They shoot 2 times then pause

So bubble should be pretty good

Compared to say

Gunner

[zinc phoenix]

smoke nade would be better honestly

[gray juniper]

Melee is pretty good on them, if you can manage to get that close

[zinc phoenix]

bubbles

[weary idol]

well yeah because smoke nade is better bubble

of course it would be better

but psyker can't just suddenly get over their grenade allergy and start chucking the suckers

[manic bridge]

hmm most i could get is 4.4k on a crusher with bb

[zinc phoenix]

does zap stick hit cara or flak on the plasma guys?

[weary idol]

their torso Should be flak

[zinc phoenix]

the chest is flak so i assume flak but the chest is cara on the ragers but they count as flak for the stick

[gray juniper]

Blackout mission with these guys. Lord

[weary idol]

plasma shot jumpscare

[gray juniper]

Man fr

I got smashed in the side by this guy. Literally looked like a shadow wtf

[manic bridge]

okay so minimal invest bb got nerf but specing into lets you 1 burst everything but crushers, maulers, bulwarks, muties and reapers. if you max empyric shock everything seems to die in 1 bb except crushers. also scriers gaze, emprowered psionics is pretty amusing

[dusk void]

I know I might sound stupid for this, but is wildfire still trash?

[rigid iris]

[gray juniper]

It’s still useful on voidblast far as I can tell, so no?

[jovial juniper]

It depends

Do you have lots of Soulblaze sources? If yes then wildfire good

If no

Wildfire bad

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/beauty-and-the-beast-dance-tale-as-old-as-time-love-belle-gif-15792485

[manic bridge]

so if an enemy has 1 wf stack and dies will it only give exactly 1 enemy 1 stack or all nearby enemies 1 stack if they have none

[pale prairie]

Just gives the 1 I believe

[gray juniper]

Woman doing unspeakable things to dog?

[pale prairie]

Worlds oldest profession

[buoyant mantle]

eh, i was wrong yesterday ,tac axe maniac build is still pretty strong in live game vs crusher

[manic bridge]

thanks but also lame

[pale prairie]

It’s good if you are just all in on soulblaze

No wasted stacks

[ripe obsidian]

Playing my first game in like 2 weeks after getting my mods sorted for the new patch. I am playing like a doofus

[pale prairie]

I love this

[buoyant mantle]

imo wild fire should duplicate 4 stack to all enemy

[ripe obsidian]

Revel in my pain

[buoyant mantle]

1 stack for each enemy in range is lame as fuck

[zinc phoenix]

bb->sg->ep?

That’s…. honestly I’m gonna try it 😂

[ripe obsidian]

Also, H30 seems way more hectic than I remember.

[strong gulch]

That was me a couple hours ago. But the game also ate inputs and no special audio cues.

[buoyant mantle]

yeah couldnt play proper without game eating input and audio cue
mod is a must at some point

[dreamy quiver]

this build any good? just saw it on the trending page on darktide builds lmk if i should change anything

was thinking fire reborn instead of psychic vampire but thats just me

[pine shore]

what weapons

[ripe obsidian]

In Fire Reborn is almost always better if you have a source of soulblaze.

[dreamy quiver]

idk if duelling sword is really that good anymore

since parry added

[manic bridge]

correct. is it great? probably not but it is fun to try different things

[pine shore]

Does empyric shock work on purg?

I never thought about it

[dreamy quiver]

it should

[pine shore]

Because it was always in such a dogshit spot

[ripe obsidian]

It does. But it's mediocre.

[pine shore]

If yes than that's really good

Boss melter

+30% boss damage

Well, not REALLY good

Just decent

Not like you have much choice there

[dreamy quiver]

what does the parry parry btw

does it just parry like everything

[pine shore]

Build is actually pretty bad

[manic bridge]

its worse on the purg staff since it primary is much slower but it works

[pine shore]

throw out empyric resolve

[strong gulch]

Empyric shock didn't work on inferno on the talent's launch, but was fixed. Not amazing tho

[pine shore]

penetration of the soul

And get kinetic deflection

[dreamy quiver]

do you have any you can show me that work with venting shriek + those 2 weapons i showed

i'm struggling to build my own after this rework

[pine shore]

I can try cooking up something decent since it's all new

[dreamy quiver]

it would be much appreciated man

[manic bridge]

me simple man me find damage nodes me spec into nodes

[dreamy quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/lil-yachty-drake-laptop-duh-gif-8033838636860661307

[dreamy quiver]

could it be better to just take wildfire or would empyric still be a better choice

since i'd likely be running shriek

[zinc phoenix]

honestly im into ep bb sg

the biggest issue is teammates rn

[pine shore]

https://i.vgy.me/pfYSWm.png

Eh

[zinc phoenix]

its pretty fun

[pine shore]

Looks playable

[manic bridge]

you the best team mate for highlighting those heads for the vet. if not supposed to shoot why glow?

[dreamy quiver]

@pine shorewould getting rid of anticipation and instead spec into kinetic resonance be good

cause i usually like that brain burst dmg

[zinc phoenix]

they tuned this event around the havoc crowd and it is really murdering noobs at a crazy rate

[pine shore]

anticipation is a broken talent

+1 dodge AND more dodge window

Are you kidding me

[dreamy quiver]

understood

[ripe obsidian]

PotS is bad.

[pine shore]

It's not BAD

But it's really fucking bad in this build

And most builds

Could be worse

[dreamy quiver]

what about getting rid of kinetic
deflection

or is that a must have

[pine shore]

NEVER

EVER

[manic bridge]

pots seems like its only good for purg and thats about it

[dreamy quiver]

it cant be thaaaat good bro

[pine shore]

It's insanely good

It's one of the best talents in the entire tree

[manic bridge]

its my crutch and ill hobble on it if I want

[pine shore]

I mean, you can get rid of it

But you'll really wish you had it every once in a while

It literally allows you to solo tank a DH indefinetely

That's how good it is

[dreamy quiver]

I understand

I usually just take brain burst specs so I can do more dmg

To bosses specifically

[pine shore]

Just use purg

[dreamy quiver]

Heard

I’ll try it out

[pine shore]

Now you just add a couple of lmbs in there

If you want KF, the talent to get rid of is probably One with the warp

[manic bridge]

I feel like malefic momentum needs a couple extra seconds to be a good spot

[pine shore]

can't think of anything else

I would get rid of mettle if I could

but you need perfect timing

God Emperor I hate this part of the tree so much

https://i.vgy.me/Sbn9qv.png

This diamond just collected every single useless dogshit warp talent imaginable

And also all the good meleeker talents

[pale prairie]

Your pain, my pain, heretics pain! We just love pain here

[manic bridge]

i wish DD would trigger in meat grinder I wanna see funny number go higher on vigi autogun 7

[pine shore]

I think it does trigger if you enable AI

[patent jacinth]

If you have Creature Spawner you can turn invisibility on and off to get DD highlights

Same for EO

[manic bridge]

no mods womp womp

[pine shore]

console?

[manic bridge]

even better im lazy

[pine shore]

Skill issue

[scarlet star]

Haven't really played a game yet but was messing around in the psykarium, is it me or is peril a bit higher now?

[pale matrix]

Do I drop vulnerable minds for empathic evasion?

[pine shore]

no

[manic bridge]

well they added auric to meat grinder wasnt there auric modifers to peril? or was that havoc exclusive

[pine shore]

uhhh, also probably no?

Less sure

[pine shore]

havoc

[broken carbon]

havoc

[scarlet star]

Yeah IDK I feel like I went from 0-100 really fast, exploded a couple times. Caught me off guard

[broken carbon]

auric health n all is the same compared to damnation, it’s just different spawn rates

so in the psykanium it’s the same

[pale matrix]

Is any other staff as good as the flame staff?

[manic bridge]

honeslty i love every node under the auras / above abilities

[pine shore]

trauma

[pale matrix]

What’s the difference between the two? Is one better against armor or something? I’m using a soulblaze build

[pine shore]

It's just different

try it

[manic bridge]

secondary staggers everything in the blast except bosses and ignores armor

[broken carbon]

trauma has shit tons of stagger

[pale matrix]

So it can mulch crushers?

[broken carbon]

not mulch but it does decent damage against them

[manic bridge]

mulch no but they sure as hell cant do anything to you

[broken carbon]

with their health increase you won’t be doing all that much

[viscid matrix]

They have 6k hp now, so will take a few hits

[broken carbon]

but it’s still a very strong utility weapon

[teal needle]

I want to make a melee scyers build now

[pale matrix]

Also, am I crazy or is dueling sword even better now?

[pine shore]

Just puts them on their asses

[pale matrix]

The parry gives so many i-frames

[viscid matrix]

It is, you can parry slams

[manic bridge]

its main use it that it gives you and the team an absurd amount of breathing room. reviving during hoards become a non issue only need someone to help with ranged enemies

[pale matrix]

What blessings/perks you guys think I should put on my DS for my flame staff/soulblaze load out?

[viscid matrix]

Uncanny

Carapace unyielding

[manic bridge]

only thing you gotta watch out for is stairs they will kill you

[royal totem]

Why stairs?

[pale matrix]

Not precog/riposte?

[manic bridge]

secondary channel on blast/trauma tries to auto cast on the floor and will cast below stairs if you aim between them

[zinc phoenix]

just a dream does nothing for me because i spend 99% of the time at critical peril 😂

im so sad because it looks awesome

[royal totem]

Ah that. Ye it does that

[manic bridge]

but but it can help you get to critical peril faster

[zinc phoenix]

warp ghost, i just live there

[strong gulch]

Wildfire over empyric shock on inferno.

[pale prairie]

It helps maintain honestly

[pine shore]

wildfire doesn't really do anything

empyric shock also doesn't really do anything

One is more WS stacks, the other one is a bit more boss damage

[manic bridge]

when are they going to just let me swap auras without having to make 3 loadouts

[pine shore]

You can do that already

with a mod

[zinc phoenix]

ok im kinda into this ep bb sg build

the new traits make it work by eliminating the need for dd for good melee performance

[strong gulch]

Wildfire info. #psyker-class message

Off to bed

[zinc phoenix]

so you buzz saw stuff and can occasionally meme on cara or stuff with souped up bb

oscurus + bistol

[manic bridge]

mods are band aids for PC only and shouldnt be considered a fix

[pine shore]

U're just coping

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, figured my shit out. Was less of a doofus.

[paper harbor]

pictuer goes hard

[teal needle]

So... psyker melee tank seems pretty easy to build now

[spring ivy]

Next time i play psyker
I need to refer to the melee build as the gandalf build
When i ask what the current version is

[manic bridge]

hmm best i can get for vigi autogun 7 is 2.5k unyielding 3.5k maniac on crit hs with DD/SG

[ripe obsidian]

Havoc 4.0 is kinda ruff. Special density is through the roof

[static sonnet]

Is it confirmed that new Mettle doesnt stack, it only refreshes?

[dreamy quiver]

I used this a little bit and it’s fun but feels mega braindead😭😭

You’re just perma scrier gazed and don’t need to worry about literally anything

[paper harbor]

which is i like braindead stuff

my fgs light attack spam

brain off

[dreamy quiver]

Fair enough man

[paper harbor]

i was one time yuck the rb because third light attack is stab

[manic bridge]

From my short test the toughness regen only refreshes while the movement speed refreshes+ stacks 3 times

[viscid matrix]

How are the chain weapons feeling for psyker now?

[static sonnet]

thats what I figured, thanks

[thick valve]

is the ONLY way to apply "Soulblaze" via the talent: Periolous Combustion?

[viscid matrix]

Inferno staff does it too

[thick valve]

oh sweet ty

[manic bridge]

im really confused on why they put the smackdown on vigi gun 9 so hard

[viscid matrix]

Also force swords have a blessing, trauma staff too

[thick valve]

would Wildfire be good a blaze forcesword build?

thinking that or Souldrinker for my last point

[viscid matrix]

Wildfire is good if you are spreading soul blaze around

Perilous combustion is a must have if you want to use wildfire

[heavy hamlet]

Would EK + Assail work now with this update since you can get the psykinetic aura now or still no?

[plucky flax]

Yeah would be decent but kf is also buffed

And kf is real nice for surge

[clear quarry]

Scrier's gaze CD is actively ticking down in the background? Holy ultra mega buff??? I thought that the nerf to psy aura would make it rather clunky for Scry, but we seem to have been juiced up!

[upper sun]

i had a vet called kat

[ripe obsidian]

Apparently Psykers joining/rejoining the game causes the game to abort.

[verbal thistle]

@ripe obsidian

[ripe obsidian]

yeah, that's him

[verbal thistle]

It's a good example to show people that psyker is the most game breaking (in this case macros helped) but ignoring ranged is something...

[upper sun]

no buff psyker

give deimos a looping H2

[ripe obsidian]

From what I am seeing, Psyker is literally breaking the game right now

[verbal thistle]

I remember this one clip

Of a macro psyker m1 spamming a captian in a corner

And got overheaded by it

Ded

[ripe obsidian]

There's like a 75% chance that a Psyker joining/rejoining a mission in progress caused the mission to abort

[verbal thistle]

Interesting

Maybe it's all classes?

I was running some havoc speedruns

And I kept crashing and rejoining and we had 2 aborts while we were playing

2 zel and 1 vet

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe. But in my missions, it was just me. Crashing and rejoining caused like 3 almost finished missions to die

Other people crashing and rejoining did not

Anecdotal tho

[ripe obsidian]

It's very frustrating

[verbal thistle]

Yup

Tis why I stopped and went to play solo

No crashes there

[ripe obsidian]

Unrelated to that, I am not a huge fan of plasma gunners. They seem to blend into the mob and just instagib you.

[verbal thistle]

H40 solo with vet and zealot are alot more fun

[verbal thistle]

I have a clip

[ripe obsidian]

They also shoot absurdly quickly for how much damage they do

[sturdy reef]

the worst part are the plasma gunner packs lol

they are basically one shots

[ripe obsidian]

Zealot seems fantastic this patch. I am awaiting your builds to steal. And probably your vet builds too

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, so it isn't just me

[verbal thistle]

It should not have the plasma damage profile

1 shot to remove all toughness.... No

Full hp and toughness btw

[sturdy reef]

QQ macro Im guessing

[verbal thistle]

And yes I know vet isn't the tankiest

[ripe obsidian]

Remove all toughness AND cause toughness regen to stop.

They debuff you

[verbal thistle]

Yeah

[sturdy reef]

the debuff is massive

it feels like 80%

[verbal thistle]

75% iirc

[sturdy reef]

should be 50

[ripe obsidian]

They're like snipers if snipers didn't warn you and shot twice a second.

[sturdy reef]

the audio queue is a little low on the balancing side

[verbal thistle]

Move them to be specials or make them more noticable/less tank/and more queues

My 2 thoughts

[sturdy reef]

I agree make them specials

[verbal thistle]

They are as common as shotgunners

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, they're super overtuned compared with other elites

[sturdy reef]

there is no other elite in the game with a debuff like this

[verbal thistle]

And hit 4x as hard

[sturdy reef]

debuffs are for specials

make them specials

[ripe obsidian]

They don't feel like they have meaningful counterplay beyond bubble or smokes

[bold flint]

can you suppress them

[ripe obsidian]

I almost never realize they're there until I am shot

[ripe obsidian]

No

They are immune to suppression

[bold flint]

[verbal thistle]

I have muscle memory agisnt them since they are just rodin

But even I still get caught by them

[sturdy reef]

I think its an audio balancing issue with the rest of the horde

and specials

[verbal thistle]

When there are 7 reskinned Rodin's in the back of the horde cleaving me through 30 maulers and bulwarks. That shouldn't happen

[sturdy reef]

maybe the queue itself needs a touch up

but on their own they are far more noticeable

[verbal thistle]

I was doing a zealot H40 solo

And I got scab armour seed for beginning room

30 maulers/crushers/bulwarks wernt the problem

2 plasma at the top part of smelter complex were

Oh and twins were there

Rodin was less of a threat then them

[sturdy reef]

rodin has less attack speed

[ripe obsidian]

Twins are less threatening than a few plasma gunners

[sturdy reef]

I think

than fucking elites

lmao

we got a spawn of 9 of em and they ended our run just now

[verbal thistle]

10 minutes into that game

Died to burgle/mutant combo right after cleaning up the horde

[ripe obsidian]

Did they tweak spawn rates for specials in Havoc?

[verbal thistle]

Unsure

[ripe obsidian]

My low H30s games felt more hectic than H40 pre-patch. Particularly with bombers.

[sturdy reef]

I think they upped bombers

[verbal thistle]

Map condition?

[sturdy reef]

other specials are the same

[ripe obsidian]

Assorted

[verbal thistle]

You are right about the bombers

[ripe obsidian]

All of them felt drowned in bombers. Usually 3 or 4 at a time

[verbal thistle]

Noticed 3-4 always active

[sturdy reef]

can they nerf their LOS

[verbal thistle]

I have a mod I can use to keep track of them

[sturdy reef]

[verbal thistle]

I will turn it on for 1 havoc run

And see

[sturdy reef]

why do they see me through walls and ricochet their tox bombs

[ripe obsidian]

Bomber swarm and plasma gunner swarm