psyker-class

[pale prairie]

Damn that’s hardcore

Sure I will probably wait till full release to really dive into it though unless you carry me

It is polite to ask and not to assume!

[deft stump]

I told you I hate PvP?

[pale prairie]

I don’t think I remember that but that’s a fair take

[marble crater]

I am not polite

[pale prairie]

I am a degenerate like Sut so I enjoy stomping real humies

[deft stump]

Mhm. So we only play co-op bots if anything. My PvP years are long over.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/be-happy-gif-71793168354463605

Coop bots are cool cause I do that while learning the game anyway

[deft stump]

Still, controller controls are fairly awful, lul.

[pale prairie]

Still definitely way alpha hahaha

[spice oar]

It’s the best moba I ever played

Doesn’t make me super fucking angry like league used to

[quartz barn]

But thats the best part

[pale prairie]

I figure with Steam behind it. It will be good. It was more about deciding if it’s better to wait till full release and full community

[pale prairie]

I’ll always have Darktide for that

[spice oar]

The community is pretty big rn, and balance wise I’d say it’s in a good spot. So I’d highly recommend rn

Plus it’s fun to watch the game grow and valve LISTENS which is crazy 😭

[quartz barn]

WelC0mE to muNDos shOse sHoP

[wraith sphinx]

same, when I played with the tertium4 mod I was amazed at how good shieldgryn bots are

[ripe obsidian]

Dutch reads to me like silly German.

[wraith sphinx]

slab shield + attention seeker is just perfect for current bot capabilities

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah it sounds like a weird amalgamation of german and english

have you seen that video of a dutch driver losing his shit at a drawbridge

[ripe obsidian]

I have not

[quartz barn]

Omdat het een combinatie van duits en engels is

[ripe obsidian]

I am currently in Amsterdam

Well, leaving Amsterdam. Going south

[dusk timber]

Dutch from hit game Red Dead Redemption the Second?!

[wraith sphinx]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/FMsnoaMS_EE

"typhus rowboat" had me fucking rolling 🤣

[jovial juniper]

The Muhfuh that has a plan

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/dutch-van-der-linde-red-dead-redemption-gif-22961531

[deft stump]

It is, I hate certain changes from early Alpha. Like colour changes.

[icy breach]

I can understand

Feelsbadman

[pale prairie]

Yeah I haven’t done that in years but I just couldn’t handle

[upper sun]

tfw no patch

y liv

[icy breach]

Don’t forget to block them

[upper sun]

..............

[pale prairie]

Okay this is a good take

[deft stump]

I liked some early alpha models better.

[pale prairie]

Alright so don’t fall in love with anything cause it could all go away

[loud girder]

patch what? game works perfectly great no issues whatsover!

[icy breach]

Oh no

[pale prairie]

died to shield explosion

[loud girder]

its a feature not a bug

[upper sun]

one blocked message 😡

[deft stump]

Yep. None of the designs are finalised. Though they are getting more and more details.

[loud girder]

blocked, reported, doxxed, sent bad stuff via mail

[pale prairie]

Time to see if they release before Darktide gets its next class

[upper sun]

blocked^2

[jovial juniper]

You've been gleeborked by clad

[icy breach]

Don’t forget to write a post on reddit to get copium & closure

[pale prairie]

Ugh

Reddit

[loud girder]

i like all the "dear players stop doing this" posts on reddit as if they're gonna magically fix the problem

[pale prairie]

There are corners I like but the Darktide sub has some nutters

[icy breach]

Its something

[upper sun]

"🤓 uhhh greetings players, Stop Doing X"

[loud girder]

if i tell them to stop shooting the mf burster surely they will right

[icy breach]

Maybe

[proper osprey]

T hammer nerfs yay

[icy breach]

And thats better than doing nothing

[dusk timber]

"Uhh greetings people, please stop commiting tax evasion🤓 "

[icy breach]

No; stop baiting; bad soha!

[dusk timber]

Rename your characters to "dontshootbursters"

[icy breach]

Ppl will do it regardless to troll you; i sure would in accordance to some pepegas

[wraith sphinx]

don't fret bro, new vet weapon next week 😉

[deft stump]

Heh. Also, warning, you can't play the gargoyle girl on controller. Not enough buttons to ult without teammate targeted.

[loud girder]

i had my guy named PLEASE STOP DISCONNECTING when for a while cause people kept DCing

[upper sun]

ANYTHING BUT VET 😭

[loud girder]

sadly that didnt stop them

[deft stump]

Unless you play her as meme carry instead of mobile support.

[wraith sphinx]

power axe and hellgun are coming, trust 😉 😉 😉

[pale prairie]

No problems there cause I am a keyboard warrior

[icy breach]

Is deadlock fun?

[upper sun]

stop world hunger energy

[wraith sphinx]

(source: crack pipe I found on the street)

[deft stump]

Okay. I just know from trying her ages ago.

[upper sun]

thats path's crackpipe pls give it back

[pale prairie]

Meme builds are the Meta though in alpha

[deft stump]

If you like DOTA2, MNC/SMNC and Battleborn, Yes.

[wraith sphinx]

No he's a meanie

[pale prairie]

Appreciate the warning on jank though

[wraith sphinx]

he talked shit about my beloved

[upper sun]

tru hes a boltpistol hater

[icy breach]

Never played any; i liked original overwatch tho

[pale prairie]

Beloved Crackpipe?

[wraith sphinx]

🤫

[strong gulch]

new psyker just dropped

have to wear purple because people WILL shoot bursters near me more than ever before

purple for purple

[deft stump]

I mean, is alpha. Expect jank. And wow did they change the menus. I'm missing the simple menus now. They have a cool but also dumb hub world now.

[marble crater]

Because it is

[wraith sphinx]

we do have the hideous twitch drop skins for that at least

[pale prairie]

I am never gonna know if you are trying to barrel me in game if you keep sneaking in with new names……

WAIT A MINUTE

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

Oh, is way more MOBA than team shooter.

[pale prairie]

GOOOOD GOOOD YES

[icy breach]

I like the weapon ones tho; taste

[pale prairie]

Can I do weird dances in outfits I pay real money for? /s

[deft stump]

Last hitting is a chore and sucks on controller.

No aim assist whatsoever on anything.

[icy breach]

Just like in overwatch; good

I like skillful games

[wraith sphinx]

I don't, at all :/ colors would be fine since they'd fit right into one pompy homebrew IG regiment or the other, but the silly digital camo just looks completely out of place for 40k

[pale prairie]

See I know this is hard for you and I sympathize but I don’t like DOTA or LoL because of the auto hitting basics

[icy breach]

Valid take

[deft stump]

The last hits are also shooting multiple tiny moving spheres from a dead hero/creep.

[pale prairie]

Hmmm what the

[strong gulch]

Reminds me of the "Pennsylvania Dutch". They're actually German.

[deft stump]

Is exactly as said. I heard they made it worse by making souls worth more than last hitting the creep/hero

So GL shooting all those tiny spheres on slow firing chars.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/vnc-vanitas-vanitas-no-carte-case-study-vanitas-anime-gif-13047591929610956849

[strong gulch]

@ripe obsidian Where are your posts with the updated discussion on +15 node and OwtW?

If you can't easily get to it rn, no worries. I can ask when you're back.

[fading galleon]

waves

[strong gulch]

A Hank has appeared.

[marble crater]

We don't claim them

[pale prairie]

False you get everything even remotely German

[deft stump]

You know it's bonus difficulty on controller.

[merry sinew]

my favourite is when the entire team is already shooting a poxburster that is far away.. and there's still that one dude who sees all the shooting, but decides it's a great idea to sprint slide towards it to try and push it

[pale prairie]

Exactly why I said that’s hardcore hahaha

[pale prairie]

Leave the zealot/arbie alone

The zealot wants to die for martyrdom and the arbie can’t feel the pox buster

[marble crater]

No thank you

[pale prairie]

You’re welcome

[marble crater]

Keep the weird Americans claiming to be German and hiding pickles in their Christmas tree, or whatever they do

[merry sinew]

lol, they're the ones that usually then yapp on the mic and say "hey don't shoot it"

[wraith sphinx]

don't forget they drink bad beer, a cardinal sin!

[marble crater]

So do some people in Germany, they call it Kölsch

[wraith sphinx]

Never heard of it so I assume it must be really bad then

[marble crater]

Probably not bad, it's just that each region has their own beer they like and we like insulting beer from regions we don't like

[pale prairie]

A German insulting beer??? Inconceivable

[marble crater]

When you insult it, it's not beer

[strong gulch]

beer icky

[deft stump]

Just ruined hop juice?

[marble crater]

Water

[wraith sphinx]

Radler is nice to have once in a while

[marble crater]

Or piss

[wraith sphinx]

a lot of beers especially the cheap popular ones taste like pure ass mixed with bleach

[pale prairie]

Wait but is it carbonated?

[marble crater]

Naturally, everything in Germany is carbonated, even our oxygen

[strong gulch]

Maybe I should move to Germany.

[marble crater]

Perhaps, do you like hills and rivers?

[near gale]

Sweet, I caught a new pokemon

[strong gulch]

I like rivers.

[deft stump]

Carbonated everything. Is this when you tell me your soups are carbonated as well?

[marble crater]

Our water is carbonated, soup is made with water. What do you think?

[deft stump]

Wot. I do type from time to time.

[near gale]

I like pokemon :3

Not really anymore

but catching people typing is awesome

[strong gulch]

Don't make me post the carbonated eggs vid.

[pale prairie]

Need to like snow

[pale prairie]

Noooooooooo

[strong gulch]

All good then.

[pale prairie]

Gogogogogogogogo

[marble crater]

Do you like delayed public transport?

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/sausage-german-gif-4728644

[strong gulch]

I'm American and largely haven't lived in cities. What's "public" transport?

[near gale]

a myth

[pale prairie]

It’s currently ICE unmarked vans

[wraith sphinx]

I like my rail lines sabotaged 😌

[marble crater]

It's when someone else drives you and a lot of other people to places

[wraith sphinx]

when I saw this I had to do a double take and make sure Onion didn't open an european branch of their site

[near gale]

aka a myth

[marble crater]

Well that's stupid, how do people know they sell ice cream if they are not marked?

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-the-agents-know-dont-gif-18536773

[marble crater]

We have an Onion equivalent in Germany

[strong gulch]

Ice cream trucks have music.

The other ones...

[pale prairie]

Zwiebel

[marble crater]

It's called der Postillon

It's Germany's biggest newspaper in the world

[tough obsidian]

i wish this fit was a long coat ngl

like how it is in some art

[wraith sphinx]

perhaps even a cloak

[tough obsidian]

guhh true

[marble crater]

Perhaps for the small price of 100000 aquilas

[quartz barn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/871945722172407848/1396583209080197141/angry_birds.mp4?ex=68c28238&is=68c130b8&hm=614a11066cddb7b7849ddb4f4cbc4c287c0be4ccc67076c1db9046415a1f1529&

[tough obsidian]

id pay it

just like for my telekine staff

[wraith sphinx]

sibling I hate how there are so few outfits that make you look like a part of an imperial guard regiment

I'd kill to have veteran drip but for psyker

though I do have multiple fits that basically fit the bill

[marble crater]

I like the drip cloak we had recently

[tough obsidian]

GOD YEAHHH

[wraith sphinx]

yeah that was a very well made model

[tough obsidian]

all the effort went into it

closest for IG i have is this

[wraith sphinx]

this for me

[tough obsidian]

its peam im afraid

[wraith sphinx]

😊

[tough obsidian]

this is prolly my favorite like
"normal" looking fit

its out there enough to show im important but not too flashy

[scarlet timber]

Quick question

[tough obsidian]

wish it was long like this tho

[wraith sphinx]

I guess I'm kind of an outlier since I'm a sucker for the most anonymous possible outfits for my psyker

[scarlet timber]

Why this class so stronk

[marble crater]

noah likes em long

[scarlet timber]

Shockwave staff is op

[tough obsidian]

IT LOOKS SICK

[wraith sphinx]

because people think this class is trash because psykers are squishy

[tough obsidian]

true

[marble crater]

Buff psyker

[scarlet timber]

I hears people say ogryn is trash actually more thesee days

[tough obsidian]

its my fav class
i love deleting hoardes with no effort

[scarlet timber]

But thats cuz they cant bunk

[near gale]

triple psykers dps, half psyker's toughness, and give them -3 stamina

[wraith sphinx]

That's an insane take

[tough obsidian]

anywho im gonna go back to playing
FS pls give telekine staff
also make coat longe thanks

[mental rock]

People that say ogryn is trash literally just have a skill issue

[wraith sphinx]

I love the gloves on the truskan fit but the colors and models are so unique it's impossible to combine them with anything else

[tough obsidian]

yeahh

[wraith sphinx]

it also feels silly to use outside clandestium gloriana, hive cities are supposed to be hot damp shitholes, right?

[scarlet timber]

Ogryn fun as hell

Its my favourite class

[wraith sphinx]

a long time ago I also bought the savlar fit but I don't use it anymore because it looks bad in motion with all those bags and pouches hanging off of it

[marble crater]

That's a lot of pouches

[plucky flax]

I've never seen a psyker not die in my game

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah it's because that unsanctionedpsyker guy goes around and kills them

he's a tester for darktide's new drop-in pvp mode

[scarlet timber]

Really? They usually got the most dps or kills

Specially if they running any form of staff xD

[glacial vapor]

It can be both

[jovial juniper]

High damage
Density Scaling

Ignores half the mechanics on the game

[wraith sphinx]

I would like to see fatshark try and cook up something with a valhallan drip set

[jovial juniper]

Also finesse class that can start a mission with 22% CRIT chance

[scarlet timber]

Oh yeah true

[wraith sphinx]

last but not least the new hd2 warbond reminded me how much I love desert themed stuff

Tallarn drip when? 🤤

[graceful arch]

i just got blamed for a psyker blowing themselves up cause i killed some specialists for quote "fucking up my cdr" is it really my problem if psyker missmanages their peril and blows themselves up

[jovial juniper]

Hit them with Skill Issue

https://tenor.com/view/daredevil-meme-daredevil-daredevil-born-again-the-punisher-matt-murdock-gif-15606627645359301776

[graceful arch]

not my fault you hit 101% peril with no venting up

i just said you missmanaging your peril is your problem m8

[tough obsidian]

shout to this ogryn, what a guy

[marble crater]

This definitely has happened to me before, but I don't blame other people. Instead I spam the shriek button and pray

[ripe obsidian]

Hallo. Amsterdam is a nice city.

[marble crater]

Did you find the street with women in the windows yet?

[tough obsidian]

fucking robbed of this...

[marble crater]

Sad

[ripe obsidian]

I did not look for it

[tough obsidian]

woulda went so hard

[marble crater]

Neither did we during our class trip, we found it while walking around the city

[marble crater]

Definitely looks a lot better

[tough obsidian]

fr

needs a patch

or just make a new cosmetic for 20000 aquilas

[ripe obsidian]

@strong gulch

[strong gulch]

Thanks

[marble crater]

Hi Zealot

[wraith sphinx]

zealot chat is one level above you :^)

[icy breach]

they can't cope with the fact that they sucked shlong back there

[wraith sphinx]

classic case of projection, really

[icy breach]

so they blame

[icy breach]

one can learn alot from others

[wraith sphinx]

the best way to learn is from other people's mistakes 😎

[icy breach]

why not take both if you can

[zealous wing]

its more a case of, if you cant pick both

[proper osprey]

There’s a hood in base game that matches with that perfectly

[tough obsidian]

yeah i know

i have it

[proper osprey]

I kneel

[zealous wing]

i hate how one jerk of a player can undo several hours of penance progress

trying to get flawless execution, and get got by a dog in the hound modifier. dude just kept walking away from everyone who was downed

[next sun]

Hi guys, I'm new to the server. I've been playing psyker with the voidblast staff and dueling sword, and I like the playing style, but I'm constantly dieing. Does anybody know a good resource to check my build?

[zealous wing]

how are you dying specifically

[zealous wing]

if you see an oggy "dangerous-brian", block immediately. EU servers.

[next sun]

Snipers, or I get overhelmed by lots of mobs

But snipers are the real pain, they practically oneshot me

I try to keep sliding to avoid them

[zealous wing]

learn the sound they make and when to dodge

[next sun]

Fair

[zealous wing]

the sound is the cue to dodge, if youre stuck you can sometimes just crouch

you cant really tank a sniper shot unless you have a +21% hp curio, and 2 17% toughness curio

and you'd have to be at full health, and be left with almost nothing

[next sun]

Well yea

[zealous wing]

an alternate is get a bubbleshield

[next sun]

I tried that, but I like the venting shriek more

[zealous wing]

learning how and when to place that has saved many people from snipers

[next sun]

Gives me options to clear a path

[zealous wing]

yeah with a staff a shriek is better for venting peril

DS is also not a great learning weapon

[next sun]

I got the dueling sword because of mobility

It was a suggestion from a player I randomly met

[zealous wing]

something like the force sword Illisi mark or a force greatsword is good for clearing a path.

[next sun]

Allright

[zealous wing]

you dont want a primary weapon to only be there for movement

[proper osprey]

Tbh i love gaze vb

[next sun]

Force greatsword makes me really slow though

[proper osprey]

Gaze vb is actually amazing

[next sun]

I'll check into the sword

But how much am I supposed to use it anyways? I usually try to avoid melee

Because I am so fragile

I can kill a group of like 10 mobs

But I don't see myself killing hordes in melee

[zealous wing]

with an FGS is definitely doable

[proper osprey]

Melee psyker is the best psyker

[next sun]

Okay

I'm learning things here

[long saddle]

the key is to not get hit

[zealous wing]

i've got a scriers gaze / reconlas / FGS / Assail psyker atm its real fun

[proper osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/evil-hatchetmancer in the description there is other weapons you can use

[zealous wing]

Taxe takes practice tho for horde clearing

[next sun]

I'll check it out

Thanks 🙂

Well, I believe that

And the void blast staff is really effective for low health mobs clearing

[proper osprey]

Tac axe is just push attack into heavy or heavy into light

[zealous wing]

if you do the force Greatsword mark 6, the main combo you'll want light attack 1 (l1) then l2, then block cancel (block for a moment to reset the pattern) and repeat it

[proper osprey]

And light spam for single target

[next sun]

Okay, I'm going go check it out

Thanks for the tips guys

[marble crater]

Not sure we should recommend weird builds to new people who are still learning Psyker

[proper osprey]

Melee psyker goated

He will be the best

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1075033545795440691/1376801727403261952/1x.webp

[next sun]

Well, the impression I got was that Psyker was more about ranged, but you gotta try things sometimes

[marble crater]

Every class needs to be able to melee, otherwise you die to a trash horde

[proper osprey]

Yeah he is but he has a sub genre of melee that out preforms zealots

[zealous wing]

FGS has a horde delete mechanic

:D

[next sun]

Okay, that is pretty sick

[long saddle]

I almost always crouch down when firing off the special

[zealous wing]

it depends for me

if its crowded i crouch to make sure i get any they fell over

[pale prairie]

Do you have a snapshot of your build by chance?

[next sun]

I can try a screenshot

Let me start the game

[zealous wing]

the website with the taxe build that was linked can let you remake your build for easy of sharing

[pale prairie]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

You can simulate here with weapons too.

[next sun]

I'll start putting it in then

Maybe easier

[zealous wing]

im still mad about that ogryn fucking up my penance. i was halfway done

[pale prairie]

The best advice I have for snipers is to get good at anticipating shots and dodging them/REALLY FOCUS THOSE FUCKERS your LMB is a great sniper kill tool so barrage them until they take cover or run away.

Also throw some sniper resistance onto your Curios until you get the hang of dodging or dealing with them

Training montage time

[pale prairie]

Just stop caring! I randomly got the badge for auric maelstrom with no one going down

Totally forgot about it

[zealous wing]

yeah but

i have to focus on not doing stupid shit :( its less fun

its like this one. i literally HAVE to focus on it to get it

[pale prairie]

This is an incredibly hard one with pubs

[marble crater]

I tried, but the snipers just laughed at the puffs of flame disappearing into thin air, what am I doing wrong?

[pale prairie]

Using a crutch

Jk

[zealous wing]

use bb in that case

[marble crater]

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[zealous wing]

they wont laugh when they have the worst shortest migraine of their life

[marble crater]

I did it with pubs, the secret is to just play malice

[zealous wing]

i was on malice 😭

[pale prairie]

Ugh

Sooooooo boring

[zealous wing]

bro couldve thrown a grenade but no he just kept walking

i hope he died. i wish i'd stayed but with all three of us "others" dead he probably wouldve just left us

[marble crater]

But now I have the border to show people that I can endure boredom. It helped that I did this before I was good enough for auric, so it was still somewhat challenging at the time

[zealous wing]

what border

[marble crater]

This

[zealous wing]

ah

imma be honest i dont think 99.9% of people can recognise which border means what

excluding specific cases

like this one

[strong gulch]

Idk what the borders mean

[marble crater]

Kills

[strong gulch]

K

[marble crater]

Just use the most fancy border and flex with your badge

[strong gulch]

I just use the same one.

[zealous wing]

i just theme mine based on build

inferno build

[marble crater]

Nah

[pale prairie]

I dunno it makes me think poser when he dies to one shotgunned

[marble crater]

[zealous wing]

honestly tho no borders, badges, titles etc mean anything anyway

[marble crater]

Some do

[zealous wing]

like what

[marble crater]

Poxbreaker, you can be sure that person has played enough to know what they are doing

[zealous wing]

i bring up celine

thats her name right?

[marble crater]

I don't know what a Celine is

[verbal thistle]

level 6k

dies to poxwalkers and insta leaves

extreme toxic

[zealous wing]

what server

[verbal thistle]

na east

[zealous wing]

kk

[marble crater]

I would argue that's because they are toxic then

[pale prairie]

This name is familiar to me

[marble crater]

Because it's you?

[wraith sphinx]

havoc?

[next sun]

Okay

It was a bit of work, but I've managed to put my build together

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fd8ace5-7482-491f-9857-1686f14f141c/joeri?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Feel free to absolutely murder it, just tell me why 😄

[narrow herald]

🔪

[next sun]

XD

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/he-knows-too-much-commander-agent-elvis-he-knows-everything-he-is-overly-knowledgeable-gif-17100119451379156693

[narrow herald]

I'm assuming the stat distribution is just random

Perks are bad, bloc reduction gives you nothing

I would take maniac cara, but the important one is cara

Agile is good but I find it unnecessary on Psyker you can only take advantage of it in Zealot

Shred is bad on DS change it to riposte if you want crit

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-very-poor-choice-words-gif-22861860

[next sun]

Stats are random indeed, took the one I thought was spread best

[narrow herald]

Oh

The dump on DS is cleave

Or defense

[next sun]

Okay

[modest perch]

cleave

[next sun]

Well I might change to a force sword

But I'm not sure yet

[modest perch]

also unyielding > maniac

[narrow herald]

Already have it on my staff

[modest perch]

have it on both

[narrow herald]

Im breaking it down one by one, and now you want to change it 😞

[next sun]

Well I prefer this one

[pale prairie]

So on weapons you want to max all the stats except one the “dump” stat will be 60

Regarding build I would highly recommend grabbing perilous combustion, warp rider, and Kinetic Deflection. Dump Perilous Assault and Empyric shock.

I would also highly recommend grabbing kinetic flayer instead of or IN ADDITION to kinetic Resonance on BB

[next sun]

Okay

SO dump stat would be cleave in this case?

[modest perch]

yeaj

[narrow herald]

Other than the stat distribution this is good

Just change the elite perk to flak

[pale prairie]

Yeah cause you really won’t be cleaving hordes and the Heavy stabs already do crazy damage

[narrow herald]

WR is the dump on this staff

[modest perch]

empyric shock is also only good for one build that doesnt rly work anymore

[pale prairie]

You want blast radius absolutely maxed

[narrow herald]

There is no cleave on the DS 5

[pale prairie]

You need macros now but it’s still kind of silly

[next sun]

Done

[zealous wing]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fd8b012-8c53-4d8d-b574-734cdeedde3c/joeri-suggestion

a slight rework without changing tons, if youre curious about specifics, compared to my own VB build

[modest perch]

it needed macros back then too tbh and with the massive nuke to staff move speed i cant imagine being usable these days

[narrow herald]

Ok time to look at the tree

[modest perch]

ppl ask for laser staff
they get laser staff
everyone complains
all staves nerfed

[next sun]

Thanks for working that out

[modest perch]

[pale prairie]

I did it just fine with quell cancel no macros but if you wanted to super max it yeah

[zealous wing]

you COULD switch the melee speed and such back to the other two you had on the other side, but with FGS the 10% is very noticable

[modest perch]

stg some of u ppl here have 6 fingers

foul mutants !

[pale prairie]

I don’t agree with no warp rider or the white crit chance node on this

[next sun]

Which 10%

I lost track

[pale prairie]

Also essence harvest into FIRE REBORN WHOOOOOOO

[narrow herald]

Ok so what kind of build are you making because I am still confused

Is this a Blaze Trauma build or a melee build?

[next sun]

Ah

[zealous wing]

ye its just a mash between the two

[next sun]

I prefer to play the staff

I like the crowd control, but I keep dieing

[pale prairie]

It’s blaze trauma I think since he had warp nexus and blazing

[narrow herald]

But he's taking melee nodes so I'm wondering if this is a hybrid build of something

[zealous wing]

if they want a full tree rework i'd just send mine

[next sun]

It's more that I don't know what I'm doing tbh

Tried to research on YT what talents to pick, was..confused

[zealous wing]

yeeah YT is hit and miss

you came to the right place

[next sun]

😄

I'm basically looking for a good build that's supposed to work well

To start with

I can always finetune to my liking

I like playing with the staff, that much I know

[wraith sphinx]

YT is lowkey horrible in most cases

misinformation galore

[zealous wing]

k i can throw mine into the site here , gimme a minute for an AUric mael friendly one

[next sun]

Oh that would be cool

Thanks

[pale prairie]

That was hexis

[narrow herald]

Yours is also flawed too, not sure why you take EE and in a blaze build you should be taking IFR

but again I'm asking them what they want to make

[wraith sphinx]

oh I got fucking botted, rip

[pale prairie]

My recommendations

[wraith sphinx]

I think there's at least one darktide youtuber that just laps up whatever insane bullshit sefoni says in the psykhanium like a good puppy and strings up the most obvious bait fan theories imaginable

[pale prairie]

You are still critting a ton with the staff with warp nexus and all that crit chance increases

So EE gets use

[next sun]

I put EE in there for the snipers, figured it would help. And it does

[zealous wing]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fd8b3a6-8aa9-4860-a9fa-b5c23e3bf915/my-vb-build

[narrow herald]

Nope

At least not anymore than any other staff

Only time EE becomes noticable for gunner fights is with the flamer

[next sun]

Thanks, I'm just going to put this in and give it a shot

[pale prairie]

You think that voidblast doesn’t crit?

If you run into gunners just LMB spam till you get to cover

[narrow herald]

I never said it doesn't?

[next sun]

At least now I know my build will be solid. Then I can work on my skills

[pale prairie]

Its just weird that you think empathic gets no value on a staff designed to crit for soulblaze

[next sun]

How do you get the weapon stats? Random?

[narrow herald]

If you actually take the uptime of when EE is proced across a run it isn't nearly as beneficial as people think

It's only about 10-20% of the time in my Meal runs when i used power DI

[next sun]

Just buy until you get the right spread?

[zealous wing]

most common way is armoury yeah

[narrow herald]

I know it doesn't have value, playing with "feel" is purely an anecdotal claim

[zealous wing]

if its not outright selling the right one, gambling with thee unknown profane stat weaponry

[next sun]

Allright, thanks for helping out a noob guys

[zealous wing]

np, i was where you were 3 weeks ago o7

[pale prairie]

Power DI is known to have weird fudged stats so I don’t really count on that. Still depends on what are you running in those tests? Even with that that’s good uptime for invulnerability to ranged

[narrow herald]

The issue isn't that you can proc it, the issue is consistency

[pale prairie]

Interesting take bud

[zealous wing]

yknow what you can count on? reconlas crits

[narrow herald]

Charge time, delay time, movement, when you are being shot at ect all need to be taken into consideration

[narrow herald]

Hey as the Shap said it best: "facts don't care about your feelings" 😈

A staff like flamer can consistently proc the buff to overlap with those situations

[pale prairie]

But it didn’t share any facts. You said trust me bro

[narrow herald]

I mean I can do a run and record it when I get home from work, but you haven't provided anything either

I'm just highlighting the fact that a pure anecdotal claim means little when taking into account how effective the talent actually is in practice

Because I've seen soo many people in this game make incorrect assumptions based on anecdotal experiences

This is very common, especially in a game where the information is hard to collect in the first place since Fatshark literally lies at times in the description of the talents 💀

[zealous wing]

and blessings^

[pale prairie]

I mean I am basing it not on just my experiences but on people I trust in this discord who have played way longer and taken the time to test the difference.

To be clear are you saying NOT to take it? Or just that it is a mid talent?

[languid tusk]

there is a mod you can get to test uptime on empathic evasion

it's the easiest way to check if it helps as much as you think

[marble crater]

I don't take Emphatic Evasion either, I can dodge on my own, I don't need the game to do it for me. Git gud

[pale prairie]

More and more everyday you move closer to being Clad

[marble crater]

I don't know if that's a compliment

[strong gulch]

probably not

[marble crater]

Wow, rude

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-it-yup-yas-gif-20862141

Like I just did the numbers for crits I had in a recent maelstrom and it’s close to a quarter of the game time

I’ll take being invincible to bullets for over 10 minutes

[strong gulch]

In havocs, I take pretty much take EE unless it's rendi VB.

A pack of red reapers makes me EE gamble; even if it's LMB spam on EK.

[marble crater]

But how many of those minutes did you need to be immune and how many of those crits were during times where it didn't matter

[pale prairie]

Exactly! I feel like it’s a good pick if you are already doing soulblaze focus on voidblast

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kiryu-its-free-real-estate-meme-gaming-gif-16268036

[pale prairie]

I bet if you had EE you could have dodged the shotgun

[marble crater]

If you don't take One with the Warp it's indeed free, which is what I do with my Inferno havoc build

[pale prairie]

I take it all

[marble crater]

Actually, yeah maybe

[pale prairie]

You were actively casting at the time…..

[marble crater]

Doesn't mean it was a crit though

[pale prairie]

Doesn’t mean it WASNT a crit though

[marble crater]

With my luck it probably wasn't a crit

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/david-hasselhoff-true-truth-nuke-spongebob-movie-gif-10152461791604628524

[jovial juniper]

Weak Aura

Strong Aura abuses Ghost

https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175

[jovial juniper]

Can't believe this is the plot (heh plot) of the Yakuza games

[pale prairie]

No the plot is:

https://tenor.com/view/nugget-yakuza-0-yakuza-kiryu-kazuma-kiryu-gif-14883832355705544840

https://tenor.com/view/dnc-gif-20056437

https://tenor.com/view/v-ideo-game-dance-goro-majima-yakuza-dancing-gif-17678213

[jovial juniper]

True

The vacant lot is only a side mission

[pale prairie]

It’s such a wild game

Clearly a labor of love though

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/joryu-kiryu-kiryu-kazuma-kazuma-yakuza-gif-6533375731384734170

Pretty sure this is the reaction when you lose the toy car race

😭

[pale prairie]

Goddamn that’s hilarious

[marble crater]

Should I have played the Yakuza games while they were on game pass?

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-rule-gif-26155686

[marble crater]

Well maybe they will get added again

On the 18th we finally get Frostpunk 2

[pale prairie]

Wow you don’t care about borderlands 4?

[marble crater]

Not really

[narrow herald]

Some people take it and some don't, so you say the "experts" in this chat agree with you. But I'm not sure who you are talking about or in what context.

I feel like in Havoc taking anything that helps mitigate range fire is always going to be useful into rampaging gunners. 💀

I've taken the time to test EE in real games, is my analysis irrelevant? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[pale prairie]

I guess I am confused because you say it’s useful always in havoc then say you test in real games and that it’s not?

[narrow herald]

That's not what I said

I said anything that helps mitigate range damage is useful

[pale prairie]

Okay

So what are we talking about then?

[narrow herald]

That's a good question because the point of contention was from you

[narrow herald]

All I said was EE is not a valuable node on Trauma, sure in Havocs when gunners can rip you apart you will take EE regardless of the staff, but this was just a recommendation on the build that was posted by someone who was learning the game

I would rather use it on something else

[pale prairie]

☝️

[pale prairie]

Alright well I am glad it works for you! The guy was saying he keeps dying to ranged damage and snipers and so I figured having EE might be useful while learning the game.

That’s my opinion not stating fact

[narrow herald]

The issue wasn't that it was your opinion, the issue I think was that when I stated why I thought EE wasn't very useful on Trauma you then defaulted to:

#psyker-class message

What you said is an anecdotal claim

[pale prairie]

It is your take though

[narrow herald]

Do you know what anecdotal means?

[pale prairie]

So we agree that mitigating ranged damage is good especially in Havoc but now you are chasing me about anecdotal claims and evidence? What’s your goal here buddy?

[narrow herald]

Don't dodge the question, do you know what anecdotal means?

Because maybe this is just a confusion of terminology

[pale prairie]

Yeah it’s when someone says “this is how it is and I am basing it on numbers from my own personal games/experiences”

[narrow herald]

Yeah, and my conclusion is based on the stats I saw in my Power DI runs

You can be skeptical if you want, which is understandable

But I'm just highlighting the fact that it's pretty important to check if the ability actually is as useful as you perceived it

[pale prairie]

That’s good but again you are basing it on your PERSONAL stats and experiences. Just like me. I don’t understand why you keep throwing anecdotal at me. It’s not like you have assembled a sample size beyond just yourself.

That’s why I referenced the fact that I asked for opinions and experiences from others in this discord that play Psyker.

I have gotten build guides from both Ainz and AgentChaos and they have had EE on their build paths. I find their opinions compelling and thus that has informed mine.

I am kind of done talking about this since we agree and I don’t find anything productive about arguing about basically nothing.

[proper osprey]

EE is nice on melee psyker

[prime elk]

EE should not exist

[proper osprey]

I love ee with tac axe and fgs

Hmmm

You know what

I wanna use the ds

On melee psyker

Alright question how much base crit does ds have

I’m debating running precog or ripoest

[ripe obsidian]

I think EE is middling at best on blaze trauma. Something like <15% uptime, versus >25% on EK or Inferno

[jovial juniper]

15

[proper osprey]

Fr?

I thought that was only knife

[prime elk]

I thought DS gets no bonus crit

Should just be whatever the crit chance is of psyker

[proper osprey]

Yeah

[jovial juniper]

Oh no
0

Mb got info mixed

[proper osprey]

Yeah so riposte and uncanny

[prime elk]

Precog is funny though

[proper osprey]

Oh yeah

It’s amazing

What it’s like 42.5 crit chance

With gaze active

[cursive tiger]

What are some good blessings to run with the Illisi?

rn I'm trying to get blazing spirit to work with it

[prime elk]

Pls give up

[cursive tiger]

Oh

[prime elk]

And then there’s FGS with shred and riposte

[ripe obsidian]

Blazing Spirit is pretty eh on anything besides Voidblast. With an Illisi crit, you mostly kill enemies before they catch on fire.

[proper osprey]

Uncanny slaughter

Flak unyielding

[marble crater]

Deflector

[radiant frigate]

imagine if blazing spirit and wildfire were both uncapped

and you crit one heretic with your sword and it just propagates

[ripe obsidian]

I would build soulblaze on every single build and revel in the flames

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-pyro-teamfortress2-teamfortress2pyro-fire-gif-13656490

[cursive tiger]

Plus souldrinker would be so peak....

[radiant frigate]

i know i kind of quote this a lot, but once again

[ripe obsidian]

Souldrinker is already a good node. Better than most people in here will admit. The issue is that it's a 3-node tax, and it's not good enough to be worth that

[jovial juniper]

Try Bloodthirsty BS with the Warp Splitting Talent

[radiant frigate]

souldrinker would be more gooder if it also had a "soulblaze on melee" portion to it

sort of like vet/zealot/ogryn have bleed on hit talents

[ripe obsidian]

https://youtu.be/5gQBuGeAOQQ?si=qyFW1KdYSTT35I8S

[cursive tiger]

personally think Blazing spirit should be a talent like scourge on zealot

[jovial juniper]

But because you have Bloodthirsty

Like

The 5th target onwards will get blazed

Assuming they are poxxers that is

[radiant frigate]

pogswalkers

[wraith sphinx]

tinker with my brainsplosion gunker build a bit
qp and lose the match

https://tenor.com/view/snep-am-i-cooked-snow-leopard-yeeeesnt-on-x-gif-7113260894698273292

[jovial juniper]

With Warp Rider and Perfect Timing you might even be able to kill the 5th poxxer

Don't quote me on that one

[wraith sphinx]

I will always quote Higui.

[pale prairie]

Wait

Who is brainsploding

Is it you?

[wraith sphinx]

me mee meee

[pale prairie]

Nah it’s the team’s fault bro

[wraith sphinx]

I mean I guess

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/high-five-meet-up-whats-up-handshake-good-to-see-you-gif-15253209

[wraith sphinx]

fuckers took 2 grimoires then ran circles out in the open near the dark communion finale

[pale prairie]

Honestly that’s kind of funny

[radiant frigate]

honestly i forgot how sick the flavor text on grim dawn's relics is

[wraith sphinx]

it's insane how grimoire takers always die first

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-freaky-smile-sukuna-sukuna-smile-freaky-sukuna-gif-4852549280133734300

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-kittens-smiling-cute-cats-happy-gif-12099363

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-obi-wan-now-thats-a-name-ive-not-heard-in-along-time-gif-11814407

[radiant frigate]

like this is fucking sick

[wraith sphinx]

oh it was vent purge too

I would just look at the fog and hold lmb and hear gunners and snipers die

it was so cozy

[pale prairie]

Almost like picking up the grimoire is a failed Aptitude test

[wraith sphinx]

I mean, many have made the mistake of grinding for the grimoire penance

myself included

[pale prairie]

“I am beyond death, mortal wyrm. Are you?”
— Katashka the Gatekeeper speaking to Dularanahk[3]

An immortal demon god of death and life talking to a fucking great wyrm

[pale prairie]

Yeah but you probably would play slightly more cautiously. Recognizing of course the purple damage in your bar

[wraith sphinx]

🙂‍↕️

oh well! I would be lying if I said I don't live for the thrill of queueing up with randoms

[pale prairie]

That’s why they are called penances

Cause you have sinned

[wraith sphinx]

will the mission go on like a well oiled machine? or like a locomotive on fire? who knows!

[pale prairie]

It’s more fun when you sigh with relief at the sight of the extraction shuttle

[radiant frigate]

i love when fantasy goes out of its way to be extra

[wraith sphinx]

only if it's the case of the former

[pale prairie]

Good fantasy writing should walk the line of almost being cheesy

[pale prairie]

You should cry and kiss the shuttle ground in the latter

[wraith sphinx]

if it's the latter then the "relief" is like recovering from a bee sting

[radiant frigate]

on the razor's edge between epic and cringe

chef's kiss

[pale prairie]

Fuck yes

[marble crater]

Comes to mind

[wraith sphinx]

Sovereign's monologue went hard

[wraith sphinx]

Literally all the characterization the Reapers needed

then ME2 and ME3 fucked the microwave on that one

[pale prairie]

Whoa

[marble crater]

I didn't get that option, I romanced Lara and Miranda

[pale prairie]

I think Me2 is actually better than the first and third

[marble crater]

Liara

[wraith sphinx]

only with regards to its story

[pale prairie]

ME3 stumbled but got carried by the investment in the crew members

[wraith sphinx]

the new characters and the plot is awesome but the gameplay didn't age that well and as a continuation of the first game it's very weak

ME3 was also carried by having very good coop multiplayer

the gameplay in general was pretty tight

[pale prairie]

Huh I actually don’t mind the gameplay. It’s pretty good but I think it’s unfair to compare it to andromeda which has really good gameplay

[pale prairie]

This is true

[wraith sphinx]

my ranking of mass effect gameplay would be ME3>ME1 remaster>ME2>ME1

[pale prairie]

Love me some banshee instant executed

[pale prairie]

Hmmmmmm what do you like about ME1 remastered? Was it the endless driving?

[wraith sphinx]

no lol come on

ME1 remaster made the guns and gun levelling not bullshit

every class being able to use every gun like ME3 was very good

[pale prairie]

Okay yeah if we are talking gunplay I understand

[wraith sphinx]

snipers not having stupid random sway at all times was also great

Shepard is also snapping to and from cover much more fluidly

[pale prairie]

BUT ME2 introduced head popping and slomo scope

[wraith sphinx]

sure but ME1 didn't really need slomo

[marble crater]

Oh god... My need to find everything hates the planet exploration

[wraith sphinx]

and it has headshots too

or at least the remaster does

[wraith sphinx]

nahh those collectible side jobs were bullshit

[pale prairie]

Doing inquisition and andromeda back to back was killing me then I did me1 remaster

[wraith sphinx]

belongs in the trash like the stupid banner collection in OG ass creed

[marble crater]

You poor soul

[pale prairie]

Yeah but with the flags they weren’t saying “you’ll miss this lore or negatively affect this off screen group of innocents!”

[wraith sphinx]

wait what

[pale prairie]

Freaking guilt tripping mass effect

[wraith sphinx]

but collecting 50 Prothean fidget spinners doesn't do anything

[marble crater]

Speaking of Inquisition, Veilguard is on game pass, time to see what all the hate is about

[pale prairie]

Maybe. There were a few side quests I believe in mass effect 1 that carried over very minor story states into Me2 and then ME3

[wraith sphinx]

Inquisition but worse in every regard imaginable. You will waste your time

[pale prairie]

Makes me so sad

[wraith sphinx]

Oh there were but I don't believe the collection quests did anything

[pale prairie]

But the really abrupt way they introduced bisexuality was pretty meme worthy

Or whatever it was when you sit at the table with that one character. I have only seen clips

[wraith sphinx]

Kaidan?

They wanted to make Ashley bisexual too but feared more Fox News backlash

[pale prairie]

It could have been done well and they just really fucking make it obvious they were trying to bump sales

[marble crater]

Meh, Ashley is too bitchy for my Femshep anyway

[pale prairie]

I haven’t played veilguard cause of the reviews being mixed. What did you think of it?

[wraith sphinx]

I played Inquisition years ago and it left a generally poor impression on me, the class system is streamlined to the point of being incredibly boring and a far cry from Dragon Age: Origins kino. Outside of a couple kickass cutscenes and story missions the story overall felt like it took a backseat due to it needing to fit the singleplayer MMO mold of the game. There were only a handful of conversations that lasted more than 30 seconds in the 55 or so hours I've played.

I saw that Veilguard essentially copypastes Inquisition's class system and decided to watch a few indepth reviews before playing it. The reviews vindicated my suspicions and that was that.

(The conclusion being that Veilguard is just Inquisition but worse)

[pale prairie]

Ooof. Yeah inquisition felt really watered down from my origins experiences and while I did finish it . It made me wary of veilguard

[wraith sphinx]

We understand one another then.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-take-marques-brownlee-you're-wrong-mkbhd-gif-1484760614558381501

JK

[narrow herald]

Wait did you just say that the statistics are subjective?

[radiant frigate]

best part of inquisition? alix wilton regan

that is about all i can say

[zealous wing]

statistics in this game can definitely be subjective, unless you have a large array of data like six does

[narrow herald]

If how the data is being received is from a single person sure, but this is from Power DI 💀

[modest perch]

sounds heretical tbh

i need only my faith in the emperor

[pale prairie]

Today I learned

[marble crater]

I also want to learn

[tulip kettle]

idk i trust six with most stuff in this game

same as i trust myself

its not hard to check the code and use various mods like uptime to test things

although youre the guy that thinks EE procs more on inferno than VB primary spam so idk what to tell you

[strong gulch]

A relevant but different discussion is how you don't need to really change what you're doing to get max safety from EE on inferno and LMB spam builds vs the RMB builds on staves.

Since RMB is slower to hit than LMB spam.

[sinful perch]

I forgor does assail use the blessings of your last held weapon? I feel like I remember that being a thing

[long saddle]

only skullcrusher

does anything

[earnest cobalt]

What blessings should I use for blaze for GS?

[long saddle]

shred and unstable power are usually go to

[earnest cobalt]

Hm

Okay

What about perks?

Flak and unyielding?

[long saddle]

carapace, idr second

[earnest cobalt]

The sword doesnt bounce off of carapace right?

[long saddle]

heavies 2-3 hits crushers

[earnest cobalt]

Nice

Also

[long saddle]

DD boosts and stuff can oneshot I think

[earnest cobalt]

What does that power mechanic do except the special attack? Does it increase cleave or damage?

[earnest cobalt]

Dd?

[long saddle]

disrupt destiny

unstable power is strength boost which is stagger, cleave, AND damage

[earnest cobalt]

Thx

Wanna master that bad boy if I can

Oh forgot the second question

I use FGS atm for crowd clearing, what can I pick for single targetting?

I use electrokinetic rn

Preferably staffs

Guns are welcome too

[long saddle]

voidstrike also works

[earnest cobalt]

Hm

[long saddle]

it usually wants a SG build to get more crits

[earnest cobalt]

Werent everyone saying its like the worst staff out there?

[earnest cobalt]

Sg?

[long saddle]

well there's only 4 staves

scrier's gaze

so yeah it's the "worst"

[earnest cobalt]

They dissing ma boy smh

[long saddle]

they're all capable of some p ridiculous feats so

[prime elk]

shred / riposte + shred / riposte / wrath

[marble crater]

There is a message with most of the abbreviations in the pins

[earnest cobalt]

Oh

Lemme look

[earnest cobalt]

I actually didnt except that much crit based blessings

Was imagining more like cc blessings

[long saddle]

the only non-attacking one is deflector

which can be useful

[earnest cobalt]

I use it currently and I like it

[prime elk]

CC blessings generally aren't meta when you can just kill faster

[earnest cobalt]

Just didnt expect going for a crit based playstyle with fgs

[prime elk]

crit FGS works very well

[long saddle]

psyker is p crit focused overall

[earnest cobalt]

Gotta try it sometime

[earnest cobalt]

I never relied or built towards crit

[prime elk]

run right side psyker

really revolves around crit

[earnest cobalt]

What was the right side ability?

[long saddle]

SG

[earnest cobalt]

I cant remember for some reason

[long saddle]

20 flat crit boost

[earnest cobalt]

Oh I thought it was a node

[long saddle]

nah it's blitz

[earnest cobalt]

Would you look at that

[long saddle]

I use it on like 80% of my psyker builds

[earnest cobalt]

No I meant the ability

The red one

[long saddle]

oh right that's not blitz

[earnest cobalt]

If its even the right name

[long saddle]

scrier's gaze is the right ability ye

[prime elk]

this one

[earnest cobalt]

For some reason I cant even remember this

Gotta give it a chance i guess

[long saddle]

you can use it with all staves (inferno is not the best tho) and it's usually what you want when you run guns

[earnest cobalt]

I never run guns with psyker

[prime elk]

you should fix that

gunker best psyker

[long saddle]

gunker is peak

[earnest cobalt]

They just dont draw me like staves do

*attract

I can play most of the guns on other classes too, wanna play staves on psyker at least

[long saddle]

you can melt stuff as if you were using staves

there's a node that quells on ranged crits too

so you can stay in SG for even more dmg rack up

[earnest cobalt]

Hm

[long saddle]

a simple start is recon lasgun

use the one with least dmg and highest fire rate

[earnest cobalt]

In games like these I dont like going for crits if they arent guaranteed, feels like a gamble to me

[prime elk]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da95bc2-c968-4cd9-9b57-b0d4ef08d341/all-rounder-fgs-gunker

[long saddle]

slap on dumdum and infernus

ye that

[prime elk]

you always win when you have a 75% crit chance during active combat

[long saddle]

when you have like 25%+ crit on that recon lasgun

[prime elk]

i usually melee with gunker, i don't even use my gun that much tbh

sword / assail have me covered

[long saddle]

you crit like all the time, proc infernus and empathic evasion to make you immune to ranged dmg

[earnest cobalt]

[long saddle]

I like to run SG with all blitzes

[earnest cobalt]

Gonna try sometime

Not hopeful tho, I dont like that gun called recon one bit

[long saddle]

why

[prime elk]

you crit to do more damage, move faster, regen toughness, become immune to ranged damage

[long saddle]

you point it at heads and they melt

[earnest cobalt]

Wait

Gotta go google translate

[tulip kettle]

moebian

they are all talking shit

[earnest cobalt]

I feel like I can't utilize it very well, tried it on vet, infantry lasgun felt better on both ammo eco and speed to kill

[tulip kettle]

blaze force greatsword you want MK6. The blessings are unstable power and then your choice, often wrath or shred

[earnest cobalt]

Could be my dumbass not having the skills to utilize it tho

[tulip kettle]

then carapace and either unyielding or maniac

[prime elk]

both marks are good

i use both

[earnest cobalt]

Here comes the great war of pick this, not that

[long saddle]

I mean I said unstable power and carapace so

[tulip kettle]

both are good but 6 is strictly better in most situations

[prime elk]

wrong but ok

[tulip kettle]

not wrong

[prime elk]

and unstable power is a good pick, but not an absolute must take meta pick

the way things like brumentum and uncanny are

unstable power is one good option amongst many

[tulip kettle]

lol yeah cos 20% power is certainly not the best option out of all the blessings

go off king

[prime elk]

i can't even be bothered to explain why you're wrong

it's just a waste of time

[tulip kettle]

no please do

would love to hear it

[earnest cobalt]

I use the greatsword that has 2 strikedowns at its heavies, what mk is it?

[prime elk]

figure it out

[tulip kettle]

mk6

[earnest cobalt]

Nice

[tulip kettle]

mk 6 its first 2 lights then swap cancel/block cancel for hordes

chain heavies otherwise

[jovial juniper]

Both

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-yo-gif-26891796

Oh you mean exclusively 2 Strikedowns

[tulip kettle]

true actually

[jovial juniper]

Mk6

[earnest cobalt]

[tulip kettle]

but the poke on MK6 is superior

[earnest cobalt]

I cant pull it off

[tulip kettle]

block cancel

is very ez

even on controller

swap cancelling is for nerds/macro users

[earnest cobalt]

I'm just spamming light for hordes heavies for heavy targets

[tulip kettle]

this works just fine

but L4 is not good

[earnest cobalt]

I'm like a monkey compared to other players in this game

[tulip kettle]

trick is

after the 2 slashes

just tap block until you see your hand come up

then go again

[earnest cobalt]

Hm

Gonna try tmrw

[prime elk]

might be better with mk8 though the single target chain starts with a push attack before heavy spam

[earnest cobalt]

What?

[prime elk]

?

[tulip kettle]

he is saying that mk8 light spam is slightly better for hordes than mk6

which is true

[earnest cobalt]

So u gotta push attack first for single target heavy spam?

[tulip kettle]

but the heavy chain is both more complicated and worse

[prime elk]

i'm saying mk8 might be easier for how you want to play

[earnest cobalt]

I just want a simple moveset

[tulip kettle]

yup then use mk6

and keep doing what you are doing

[earnest cobalt]

Imagine recommending a weapon to a monkey

[prime elk]

you will have to BC more often with mk6, then PA with mk8

[earnest cobalt]

And that monkey is me

[prime elk]

so pick your poison

[tulip kettle]

thing is

losing a small bit of dps into hordes, but still doing great dps

[earnest cobalt]

[tulip kettle]

is a better value proposition than struggling with the chunky bois when you really need it

[earnest cobalt]

Mk 8 struggles with elites?

[tulip kettle]

in a way yes

[prime elk]

no

[tulip kettle]

to get good dps you need to be doing push attacks

[prime elk]

but it's easier to use mk6 for dealing with elites

[tulip kettle]

instead of just brain off chain heavies

[earnest cobalt]

Then what mk 8 is good for?

[prime elk]

mk8 has the easier and better horde clear combo

[tulip kettle]

its slightly better at hordes

[earnest cobalt]

Oh

[prime elk]

mk6 has the easier single target combo

[tulip kettle]

but the difference is pretty low

[earnest cobalt]

Hmmmmm

[tulip kettle]

especially if you try to do what i said with the block cancelling the first 2 lights on mk6

[prime elk]

the difference between the two swords isn't huge

[tulip kettle]

but ultimately

[prime elk]

they're both similar in terms of overall strength

[tulip kettle]

hordes are much less threatening than blobs of armour

[prime elk]

mk6 is slightly better at killing big guys

mk8 is slightly better at killing hordes

i just use both 🤷‍♂️

[tulip kettle]

so losing a bit of dps into hordes seems worth it to deal more easily with armour blobs

when you still cut hordes to ribbons either way

[prime elk]

if you were really worried abotu armor blobs

you wouldn't use fgs

[tulip kettle]

especially on scriers builds

and idk FGS has pretty good performance into armour blobs

[prime elk]

FGS is more of an all-rounder

[tulip kettle]

sure its not DS

[prime elk]

with good horde clear and acceptable elite clear

[tulip kettle]

but 2 hitting crushers consistently is certainly pretty good.

[prime elk]

and ok boss damage

[earnest cobalt]

I like all rounders

Simplest to use

(Usually)

[tulip kettle]

and having the push to keep you safe on FGS is also very valuable

one other cool thing with the MK6

if a mutie charging you

light attack then charge the heavy for the poke

1 poke in the face dead

[long saddle]

I just use illisi FS when I want mindless melee

[earnest cobalt]

I was looking for something to deal with them actually

[tulip kettle]

illisi is just worse FGS

[long saddle]

I don't have to think with it

I just light forever

[prime elk]

illisi is pretty sad

[earnest cobalt]

I use electrokinetic atm, been wondering what could I use for single target

[prime elk]

EK does well in single target already

[tulip kettle]

i mean thats what EK is for

[prime elk]

you'd need some sort of horde clear

like shriek (the ult)

or a horde clear melee

[tulip kettle]

EK is mainly for single targets

but its pretty poo at dealing with crushers specifically

[earnest cobalt]

What I meant was

Aside from EK

Maybe grammar mistake

[zealous wing]

FGS

[tulip kettle]

wheras MK6 FGS turns crushers into paste quite easily

[long saddle]

I said voidstrike earlier

[earnest cobalt]

Yeah I will try it too

[tulip kettle]

and voidstrike is doodoo

[earnest cobalt]

What bout guns?

[tulip kettle]

worst of the staves

and its not even close

guns on psyker arent really good for single target

[prime elk]

recon las or laspistol are popular gunker weapons