psyker-class

[solid pond]

shanks

[tight condor]

Siblings, someone's got in hand a full damage smite build by chance? I'll appreciate it

[prime elk]

Siblings don’t help siblings smite

[wispy bay]

Damage or smite, pick one...

[prime elk]

Can do both but it’s still aids

[wraith sphinx]

Probably a stupid question but I'm guessing the strat here is to keep at max warp charges for as long as possible right?

[verbal thistle]

strat is to kill elites and specials with gun

then shriek horde

I dont think warp charges change a breakpoint

[wraith sphinx]

Gotcha

[jovial juniper]

Sure
Gimme a minute

[wraith sphinx]

It feels so weird to see a gunker build without EE

That talent is like crack to me

[tight condor]

Lovely mate, appreciate it a lot

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-you-dare-dont-dont-do-it-the-office-michael-scott-gif-14178027

[prime elk]

Wait who does this lol

[wraith sphinx]

Wait never mind

That screenshot has 2 unassigned points

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/im-going-to-saturday-night-live-i-will-ill-do-it-im-gonna-do-it-gif-21622553

[tight condor]

tyvm

[jovial juniper]

The first one is basic
Easy to use

The second one is gimmicky

[quartz barn]

genuine question

why did assail get nerfed within its first month after release for being a primary

but you can still do the same with smite to this day

[jovial juniper]

My best bet is because smite is not burst damage

[dusk timber]

Smite also requires continued channeling

[quartz barn]

old assail could also be casted permanently tbf

[dusk timber]

No movement speed penalty tho

[quartz barn]

but ye i guess assail does more dmg and instakills most lower health enemies

[wraith sphinx]

idk the history but as it stands smite comes with so many caveats and limitations it kinda makes sense

meanwhile assail is really flexible

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/choking-gif-18241023091515446173

[wraith sphinx]

until you encounter cara enemies at least lol

[prime elk]

Assail doesn’t get access to psyk aura

And is therefore worse than useless

[jovial juniper]

Dangerous words 🗣️

[prime elk]

[wraith sphinx]

🛌

psyk aura is really the psyker equivalent of veteran's +dmg% talents huh

[prime elk]

Psyk aura is great but I only ever take it because of pathing

[wraith sphinx]

same

I take it because I don't like wildfire

[tight condor]

holy shit u can unlimited smite with this one if done right

I karkin love it

[quartz barn]

well we lost one

good job higui i guess

[jovial juniper]

[wraith sphinx]

the battle meditation talent

[quartz barn]

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/the-wire-clay-davis-shit-sheeit-isiah-whitlock-jr-gif-20285534

[wraith sphinx]

Just remember to assess the situation and quickly look behind you before attempting to infinite smite

Or you'll become crusher chow

And return here to complain about psyker being actually worst class

[quartz barn]

dont this will hamper your skill growth

[ripe obsidian]

https://store.steampowered.com/steamos

Yeah. But it is Linux

[quartz barn]

true smyker stands in the middle of the horde doing a 360 smite while dodging whatever doesnt get stunned

blame team if you die

def not how i play smite

[jovial juniper]

Also on that build I posted there's 4 points left
You could spend 3 to get Empyric Resolve for more hands gameplay

[quartz barn]

killing a dog wave before you can see them is fun tho

[tight condor]

So, everyone here is playing to hate smite, but playing it secretly

Got it

[jovial juniper]

My smitecopter goes rofl rofl rofl

[quartz barn]

nah its one of the worse builds, but psyker is busted so it works

its just that most smykers are bad lmao

[pale prairie]

@ripe obsidian

Yeah but the question was about best for gaming. SteamOS is a Linux based system specifically designed for gaming. I was suggesting it is an alternative to just saying “windows”

[wraith sphinx]

Not really

[marble crater]

Yeah I don't think people are secretly playing smite

[solid pond]

question siblings

does enhanced blitz do anything for psyker?

[wraith sphinx]

it's just a really inflexible blitz that is completely unable to mitigate the #1 problem you will encounter when playing with randoms

[prime elk]

I see a smyker, I assume they’re shit. I have yet to be proven wrong.

[wraith sphinx]

and that is that randoms ignore ranged mobs and or have no tools for dealing with them

[marble crater]

Lower peril gen and 2 extra assail, I think?

[wraith sphinx]

I think it's just 1 extra shard

[jovial juniper]

Yeah peril cut by 50%

Nothing for smite though

[solid pond]

shanks

[jovial juniper]

Fatshark hates smite

[solid pond]

lol

[wraith sphinx]

yeah FS hates it so much they'll nerf assail again

[marble crater]

Smite doesn't deserving anything

[wraith sphinx]

I hate myself for putting this together

[prime elk]

They prob should. Assail got gigabuffed twice relatively recently

When it was already very good lol

[wraith sphinx]

I'm joking

[prime elk]

Despite the regen nerfs

[jovial juniper]

Enhanced Blitz doesn't affect smite
One of the mortis Trial indulgences for smite does nothing

Havoc has buffs on horde mass, reducing smite effectiveness a little

FS doesn't like smite

[prime elk]

Holy shit rare fatshart win

[jovial juniper]

And the last buff was EP Smite going from 125% to 200% damage

Back in Traitors Curse

I think

[tulip kettle]

why?

looks really normal and effective

[gray juniper]

Putting himself on the meta plantation?

[tulip kettle]

oh gosh using effective builds

psyker chat could never

[wraith sphinx]

LOL fire line

[wraith sphinx]

gunkering without SG and DD feels so weird

[tulip kettle]

okay sure why tf would you run this on gunker

[wraith sphinx]

well what did I just say

[jovial juniper]

According to the chart

It has a Gun

It's a psyker

So yeah it's a gunker

That's for sure

[wraith sphinx]

these staffker mains istg

fun build tho

shrieking hordes feels nice

[cursive tiger]

Is recon Lasgun actually a good weapon on Psyker?

I always thought it'd be kinda ass but I'm seeing so many builds that use it

[pale prairie]

It does good damage with blessings, it has no recoil, and it can give good mobility. Really big is that the ammo economy is good enough that you won’t be pissing off the team by picking up every ammo case

[marble crater]

As a Xbox player I fully endorse the no recoil part

[pale prairie]

Screen shake bad and scary

[marble crater]

It makes some people motion sick, very scary

[pale prairie]

I always turn off screen blur and motion shake

[cursive tiger]

Ok wait that actually sounds fire

[strong gulch]

High rate of fire and crit strings also make it proc EE a lot .

[pale prairie]

Yeah you can also use the heavy laspistols for similar reasons but having slightly better hip fire and slightly more mobility

[wraith sphinx]

recon las is like the ranged equivalent of a dueling sword

[pale prairie]

If lucky you can stand and engage reapers like a musket man

[strong gulch]

also mettle

[wraith sphinx]

new and old players both love it, hard to mess it up

and very easy to use

[pale prairie]

I dunno dueling sword has such a stigma now

[wraith sphinx]

since when

[strong gulch]

Ye. recons las is pretty I can't well friendly

[pale prairie]

Since it got released to other classes I feel like it I have heard people complain about it being OP and a crutch that’s all

[marble crater]

I also do for 99% of games, I did leave some of those graphics options on for Cyberpunk (not motion blur though)

[wraith sphinx]

that doesn't make it bad lol

[pale prairie]

Didn’t say that now did I?

[marble crater]

I haven't used DS in months, feel free to nerf it into the ground

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/darth-vader-reading-disturbing-don't-read-reading-is-hard-gif-6913761002386677604

[strong gulch]

Recon takes infernus, and that is pretty generous in finishing off what you can tag anymore. Getting to know when thing will die from fire also means you can move onto another target faster.

[wraith sphinx]

but that's what I meant

why the hell would I care that the weapon has a stigma

we were talking about how GOOD the weapon is

[marble crater]

Hold down the trigger/button until the poxwalker is dead

[pale prairie]

You literally said it was the dueling sword of ranged. And I disagree with that comparison

[strong gulch]

noob move

(that's my move)

[wraith sphinx]

Why?

[pale prairie]

Dueling sword is VERY good and reconlas is pretty good. Also apples to oranges

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-about-sending-a-message-dark-knight-gif-9259882

I am also pretty good, am I a reconlas?

[pale prairie]

Yes

[wraith sphinx]

No it's literally not apples to oranges lmao

[pale prairie]

“This gun and sword are the same”

No

One is a gun

The other is a sword

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/x-twitter-symbol-gif-13705240444853763444

[wraith sphinx]

jarvis what does like mean

jarvis what does equivalent mean

[marble crater]

I'm not a twitter bot

[pale prairie]

Dueling sword is more about oneshotting elites. Do you use one or two las bullets to kill an elite?

Jarvis what does machine gun made of lasers have in common with a cavalry saber?

[wraith sphinx]

what is this message then

what is this

you tell me I'm lacking reading comprehension when you literally glossed over all my messages

[pale prairie]

It’s a guy talking about machine lasers

All of that is correct about the lasgun

[wraith sphinx]

oh so you're just baiting

okay

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

[dusk timber]

Assail is the only blitz on psyker ive found actually fun to use ngl

BB feels way too slow and has absolutely 0 aoe, and smite is amusing but its just not it idk

[strong gulch]

Take BB for KF, not for BB (left side tree).

[dusk timber]

Ive found assail to still do a good enough job at clearing hordes by spamming lmb so far

[dusk timber]

KF doesnt count cause youre not actually using the blitz

[strong gulch]

That's how BB is mostly used. 😭

[dusk timber]

Exactly

[strong gulch]

KF is blitz

BB is tax node

[dusk timber]

And i think thats lame as fuck

[verbal thistle]

BB can be insanely fast

[dusk timber]

If you stack a bunch of stuff yes

[verbal thistle]

2 talents

[dusk timber]

But the baseline version just doesnt feel good to use

[verbal thistle]

and it can replace your ranged weapon

[strong gulch]

I do like ep BB tho. Note on like, but the vast majority of the player base will not use it like that.

[swift dock]

Is Malleus Monstrunum literally 50 health with brain burst, or 50% of the health with brain burst?

[verbal thistle]

50%

[swift dock]

Alright

[strong gulch]

must be a private party; so min 2 players to start it

[dusk timber]

Ive said it before but BB should work by scaling the damage with charge time and if the damage would be enough to kill the target it triggers without needing a full charge

[marble crater]

Wouldn't that be nice if you target a poxwalker by mistake

[dusk timber]

Or if you target literally anything where the full damage is overkill

Would make it even better with EP too

I think itd also be nice if you could still choose to go for the full charge and it does some extra effect scaling with how much overkill it was

[wheat shoal]

Best blitz in your opinion folks?

[upper sun]

brain burst

[jovial juniper]

Brain Burst

I love Hands Gameplay

🗣️

[marble crater]

Kinetic Flayer

[wheat shoal]

Please elaborate on that, I've found it hard to use with the matchups i get in damnation, I've invested in it as much as I coul with other perks but assail feels better

[jovial juniper]

In reality there's not a best blitz

[marble crater]

Assail is better, if you just compare the Blitz

[solid pond]

if you keep tapping it, it sounds like you're edging

[jovial juniper]

That being said I play exclusively Double Wall EP brain burst

[solid pond]

goontide

[jovial juniper]

So I cast fast

And I hit hard

Pack of Elites gone

[willow hazel]

Assail >> BB > Smite

[gray juniper]

It’s the animation ending that really sells it home

[willow hazel]

Unless we measure by fun, then:
Assail >>> BB > Smite

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[prime elk]

Is he wrong tho

Most people take BB to take KF so they don’t have to use BB

And smite is the snooze button

Assail really doesn’t have much competition

[upper sun]

CHAT

whos up for a night cap?

[jovial juniper]

For fun? Yeah

It's subjective

And because of that you can never be right nor wrong

https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-as-that-clash-royale-hee-hee-hee-haw-gif-25054781

[prime elk]

He’s prob talking about his own subjective sense of fun so he’s prob right

[fresh panther]

It's 5pm clad

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-meme-speech-bubble-saul-goodman-gif-25296783

[upper sun]

nuh uh

[fresh panther]

You're not fooling me devil man I know other times zones don't exist

[fresh panther]

Just like iron helm and bolt pistol they are planted to shake our faith

[upper sun]

WRONG

[jovial juniper]

Also
Sorry Clad
Starting 3rd shift

[upper sun]

THEY ARE THE BEST WEAPONS IN THE GAME

BLOCKED

[dusk timber]

blocked

like

blocks

from hit game minecraft story mode

[zealous wing]

actually its almost midnight

i am in a group of 3rn if you wanna slot in

[frigid charm]

What's the dump stat for reconlas?

[fresh panther]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-gif-25567321

[frigid charm]

the bubbleknight build has everything at 76%

[frigid charm]

i dont think thats possible

[zealous wing]

dump collat

[frigid charm]

thanks boss

[zealous wing]

o7

[strong gulch]

You can get everything at 76.

But also the web site defaults to all stats being 76.

[marble crater]

In Germany we don't say "Don't do everything at 76" we say "Leute die alles auf 76 haben, haben die Kontrolle über ihr Leben verloren" and I think that's beautiful

[prime elk]

That’s just the build maker being too lazy to change the default sliders

[frigid charm]

lmao

[tulip kettle]

nothing about the german language is beautiful

lets be real

except maybe this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuBeBjqKSGQ

SARASTRO TODESSCHMERZEN

[marble crater]

You are just jealous you can't make this sound https://www.youtube.com/shorts/lV36elQl8e0

[tulip kettle]

nah easily

its in reich after all

[marble crater]

I have yet to hear an English speaker say Reich correctly

[tulip kettle]

i had a german german teacher

she was quite insistent on pronunciation

[marble crater]

Lucky

[tulip kettle]

i certainly didnt feel that way

[marble crater]

Deutsche Sprache, schwere Sprache

[tulip kettle]

indeed

she would also be pleased to know i remember almost nothing

[marble crater]

[tulip kettle]

my irl german friends speak impeccable english

sometimes i feel bad about it

[marble crater]

As you should

[tulip kettle]

then i remember to the victor the spoils

[strong gulch]

As an American, I don't feel bad.

lmao

#MainCharacterSyndrome

[tulip kettle]

i think its funny that english is the "lingua franca"

[sinful perch]

How much harder is Auric compared to damnnation? Thinking about taking the jump but don't wanna be dead weight if it's too much

[tulip kettle]

less than the jump from heresy imo

[verbal thistle]

test it out

there is literally no harm

just leave if you cant handle it

[sinful perch]

Dragging down the team I get paired with definitely is a harm

[strong gulch]

Just do an auric. It's fine. Even if you die within the first 30 seconds.

[prime elk]

Don’t worry about it. The average pubbie is prob worse than you

[tulip kettle]

exactly

and also if they were as good as you seem to be worried they are they will just clutch it up anyway right?

[marble crater]

It's just really easy to learn

[sinful perch]

I'm sure the same build that's been doing well in Damnation will probably be just as good in Auric too right? Since it's just enemy density and specialist spawn rates that go up

[prime elk]

Yeah should be fine

[marble crater]

Chances are they did something stupid in their last match and deserve it

[tulip kettle]

imagine having gendered nouns

who decides if a table is feminine

[gray juniper]

It’s public games. You’re allowed to play auric

[tulip kettle]

nonsense

[marble crater]

It's not, tables are masculine in German

[sinful perch]

Splendid, I use assail on my purg Psyker. I know brain blast is more meta but ngl I just kind of love assail

[gray juniper]

The Brit doesn’t understand the poetry behind the intent. How predictable

German and Slavic languages sound cool btw. I’m tired of the slander

[tulip kettle]

what poetry is there in shit being masculine or feminine depending on the use case

[marble crater]

It can also be neuter!

[tulip kettle]

haha

[gray juniper]

Wow such variety

[gray juniper]

The way it’s perceived

[marble crater]

Woman is feminine, but girl is neuter
See? It makes perfect sense

[gray juniper]

The way if you name your car a woman’s name in endearment. That’s put in a way even a Anglo can understand

[tulip kettle]

no, thats not how it works

its literally arbitrary

[gray juniper]

Ofc course is it. That’s half the fun

[prime elk]

Assail is great in auric

[strong gulch]

If you like purg assail, go for it. As long as you can get through situations, run what you want.

[sinful perch]

Dunno everything I saw for it was that it's pretty bad, mainly because you have to give up the left path in order to take assail. But the right side has some pretty good crit talents so I guess it's not all bad

[strong gulch]

If you want to run random builds and die, well lol\

[gray juniper]

Crit out your staff. I don’t see how it would be bad

[marble crater]

I'm not sure it's arbitrary as much as it's "the reason for this is down this deep rabbit hole" there are some rules and some endings of a word will tell you if it's masculine, feminine or neuter.
Do I know them? No

[gray juniper]

That’s true

Let’s not act like there’s not a long history behind words in all languages

[strong gulch]

If you want a meta discussion, we can do that. But this is more "I like and know x build" than not.

[marble crater]

Like -chen words will be neuter

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/paimon-genshin-impact-gif-3908335895994298600

[sinful perch]

Trick question for they are a myth

[strong gulch]

Hmmm. Maybe not.

[marble crater]

Kat and Karien are girls, allegedly, but I haven't met them

[sinful perch]

That's what big government wants you to think

Keep drinking tap water buddy....

[marble crater]

I'm German and tab water isn't carbonated, therefore I do not drink it

[prime elk]

I only ever run right side because gunker main

[pale prairie]

As if the world doesn’t have enough carbon….

[ripe obsidian]

Carbonated water is disgusting. It is an abomination

[strong gulch]

no u

[ripe obsidian]

I am also an abomination, yes

[pale prairie]

Burning water

[dusk timber]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-grenade-truth-nuke-gif-6248133608324632914

[zealous wing]

i like carbonated water simply because it lets me turn my caffeine powder into a simple soda

[strong gulch]

I like when watch bites and fights me on the way down. I want a tear to well up in my eye.

[tulip kettle]

any ratslayers in chat?

[cursive tiger]

Is the Illisi blaze force sword just the power sword for Psyker?

[jovial juniper]

Yesnt

It doesn't have power Cycler so you gotta activate every attack

And it doesn't have a Strikedown so you gotta get those blessings up

And it performs well unpowered

[cursive tiger]

I thought so thanks

[jovial juniper]

The special attribute should be pretty similar

Comparatively

Psword activated attack will have slightly higher damage

But Illisis active will have better cleave damage distribution

[sinful perch]

Is the force great sword as good for single target as the regular force sword? I haven't been using it purely because I just kinda assumed its role was more for dealing with crowds

[long saddle]

its heavies are very chunky

[marble crater]

Which is why we put it into the water

[long saddle]

you wanna run DD for best effect, I think you can oneshot crushers?

[sinful perch]

Ooh, which mk is best for single target?

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/fixed-gif-14953349

[pale prairie]

Mk 6

Most crusher kills will likely be 2-3 but you do get lucky with crits

[strong gulch]

With every buff stacked, yes. Illisi CAN one shot a crusher.

This is not realistic tho.

[long saddle]

I meant FGS

[strong gulch]

Fighting crushers with illisi is... lol

[marble crater]

Quick, someone post the illisi crusher clip

[pale prairie]

Attack chain is L1, L2 swap or shield cancel and repeat for hordes

H1, H2 for carapace (the overhead into stab)

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/pancake-gif-8693778053032247385

[jovial juniper]

Both of them

[strong gulch]

illisi funny crusher one shot #psyker-class message

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-walter-white-yo-gif-26891796

The heavy stabs and heavy slams should share the same profile

(needs research but very likely to be the same)

Then it's just going to go down as to how to use it

[dusk timber]

That crusher fucking ceased to exist

Holy shit

[marble crater]

When I first clicked discord sent me here #psyker-class message
I almost called you a troll

Thanks

[jovial juniper]

Notice how it specifies non crit

Illisis 2.25 finesse working overtime

Or was it 3 finesse

One of the 2

[strong gulch]

lmao

In case anyone else was having difficulty getting to the funny illisi crusher one shot vid and couldn't, here it is.

Vid is by @clear heath
"Okay so, replaced precog with uncanny.
Also, i have made the build significantly worse, by changing to aura to elite damage, perks to cara/elites, 25 stacked DD, and now it kills with a non-crit.
You may now spread this as illisi propoganda to misrepresent its effectiveness"

[marble crater]

Doing the Emperor's work

[jovial juniper]

"misrepresent its effectiveness"

Idk

Looks pretty effective to me

[strong gulch]

Apparently I'm an ingredient for a Farm Card.

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/suit-meme-gif-3154536417054843778

[strong gulch]

I sacrificed my kin

[halcyon plover]

what's the voidblast meta blessings?

[tulip kettle]

2 ways to build it

either nexus and blazing spirit

or flurry and rending

[marble crater]

or the wrong one

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/nods-yes-not-wrong-its-true-story-valid-point-gif-14782869

[halcyon plover]

i was thinking of going flurry and rending yeah

[tulip kettle]

in that case it wants carapace and flak as perks

and you will want a horde clear melee

[kindred fog]

what’s the best force staff DPS-wise? I’ve been maining Electrokinetic for so long and the only one I don’t have fully mastered is Inferno

[tulip kettle]

truly its dependent on the situation

generally in high havoc you want inferno simply for infinite cleave, burning 100 trash mobs in 5 seconds is some pretty insane dps

[marble crater]

Elektro for anything that's not havoc, Inferno and then Blazing Voidblast for havoc

[tulip kettle]

even outside of havoc, blazing voidblast puts out really good numbers

in a lot of situations it will out damage EK

but for single target EK generally

[marble crater]

EK makes me cooler and the cooler I am, the more damage I deal

[buoyant maple]

is sally a female loose cannon veteran

I might have ran into them just now lol

[nocturne dust]

Rending Voidblast does good numbers too, Sut and Dom are just afraid of brittle

[nocturne dust]

Nope

[zinc phoenix]

Po tay to

[nocturne dust]

Voidblast has infinite cleave and plenty of stagger regardless of blessings, but warp flurry also lets you spam attacks quicker so you can nuke groups of enemies faster

Your melee should be mobility and/or single target for bosses/muties

[ornate hamlet]

I loves my void blast staff. LUVS IT, precious.

[nocturne dust]

So yeah, don't listen to the soulblaze addicts on how to use a non-soulblaze build

[zinc phoenix]

Trauma plz

Don’t live name my staff 🙏

[nocturne dust]

You could say the renaming was

🙂
🤏 🕶️
😎
traumatic.

[ornate hamlet]

I see what you did there.

But yes, trauma staff is amazing. It just nullifies any horde/patrol threat. I never get tired of throwing crusher patrols all over the place

Actually, is there a trauma auric build? I’ve been running with an assail SG build using trauma staff, but never really leaned too hard into it.

[halcyon plover]

I had a lot of fun with the voidblast just now

[nocturne dust]

It's why soulblaze trauma is a little overvalued. It makes your scoreboard go higher, but you're just siphoning 'useless' damage a lot (because they'll die to the lawman smacking them in the face regardless with the same number of hits) and able to get the same effect with good positioning

[scarlet timber]

This is the best class in the?game

[nocturne dust]

Some would say so

It's definitely not veteran

[analog agate]

Not sure. It has been a hot second. And like I said, that person almost always leaves immediately before I can even play with them

[scarlet timber]

Literally drinking orange juice with one hand and using inferno staff with the other

[nocturne dust]

You can do that with 3 classes

[scarlet timber]

Also got the funnest movesets with its swords

[nocturne dust]

[scarlet timber]

Specially the two handed ones

[zinc phoenix]

BB shriek and warp charges is the ole reliable

[ornate hamlet]

I’d say psyker has potential to be best class in the game, but it’s highly dependant on how well the player is, and if your team has enough common sense to keep you close/safe. and if you have enough common sense to remember to stay close and safe as well

[ornate hamlet]

I…don’t know this build. Lol. Zealot main.

[scarlet timber]

Really amazing job on it fatshark. Now anyway arbites was a waste of class slot instead they should had given us ratlings or at least given my goddam two handed chain axe I been asking for since launch...

[zinc phoenix]

#psyker-class message

[modest perch]

ratlings are dumb

[zinc phoenix]

It’s basically the same build that we’ve had since like beta but with extra steps 😂

[scarlet timber]

I want to play bardin in darktide goddamit

[modest perch]

u rly wanna play something half the height of a human in a horde game

[scarlet timber]

YES

You do that in vermtintidr xD

[modest perch]

ok fair

[nocturne dust]

Arbites is my second favorite class tho

[scarlet timber]

Jokes aside arbites is really underwhelming its shield is not as good as ogryn imo ogryn got better kill power and it just needs more weapons

[modest perch]

im reporting this to the arbites

[dusk timber]

lmao

[modest perch]

you will face the wrath of the lex for that joke

[nocturne dust]

Devs have openly stated they won't ever add more than 2 characters of wide height differences because it presents a map design challenge

That's their poor excuse at least

[scarlet timber]

Ehh good to know okay I know its a completely different game but owlcat did better job with their arbitrator build

It got 5 different pets

This one needs more weapons honestly

[rigid rune]

4* I don't think the arby can take the psyber raven given that it requires the psyker origin

[dusk timber]

nah their weapon selection is fine imo

[ruby phoenix]

Hi new to the game and the server. I need a strike team. I am requesting aid in a Penance for a cool armor for psyker. It's the Penance called Malleus Monstonum

[buoyant maple]

do u remembr their steam username

[scarlet timber]

Yes I gave Idira a cyber raven

[scarlet timber]

They literally can wield shield and shotgun in darktide xD

[dusk timber]

yes?

[scarlet timber]

Yes definitely I want that in this game

[dusk timber]

thats a really unique weapon

[dusk timber]

...

[nocturne dust]

@upper sun typically helps people with those

[dusk timber]

it is tho

[nocturne dust]

I might be able to help but like... not today so

[scarlet timber]

Okay maybe not dosnt matter maybe more marks for arbites shock maul and the two handed crusher ?

I dont know i only got 3 builds i feel rivht now

[nocturne dust]

I wonder if they'll even add more weapons to Arbites.

Maybe as DLC.

[ornate hamlet]

I don’t think arbites needs much as is. If I ever wanna play on easy mode I jump onto my arbie. The damn shotgun is just too good. And they’re so damn tough it takes some pretty extraordinary situations to die in

More weapons would be cool though.

[scarlet timber]

Holy shit that will solidify this game as a gotcha game xD

[scarlet timber]

Thats just castigator stance though

I think the other two builds are just meh

[jovial juniper]

Castigator

🛌

[scarlet timber]

Specially the cogitator thingy your teammates refuse to use it PROPERLY XD

[ornate hamlet]

Pretty much. Just point and shoot and win.

[jovial juniper]

That's all classes though

Castigator is just uneventful

[scarlet timber]

Ehhh

[jovial juniper]

🛌

[scarlet timber]

I ate?4 busters to the face with castigator

I cant even do that with ogryn

[dusk timber]

i like castigator for the movement buffs

[ornate hamlet]

Well, I guess what I mean is the shotty just makes it so much easier than it already is. Deleting entire patrols in 2-3 shots is just hilarious.

[dusk timber]

thats the one thing giving sauce to that ability

[scarlet timber]

That armor piercing shotgun is so op honestly xD

But i dont know i nee more built variety

[ornate hamlet]

It’s so true. It’s stupid OP. Both marks are great as well.

[scarlet timber]

Its fine class with castigator

But the charge build

[ornate hamlet]

I’d like to look into that one a bit more! I’ve seen some people play it very, very well.

[scarlet timber]

Was soo disappointing the shield damage was pretty low and it doesnt effect monsters unfortunately

But its good against patrols

Specially with the short cool down

[ornate hamlet]

For sure. I like the shield because it has the blinding flash which buys valuable time!

[dusk timber]

"Shield damage was pretty low" that thing can 2-3 tap crushers

[scarlet timber]

With ogryn you can put bleed on it to make hit harder but this one needs abit more carapace damage imo

[scarlet timber]

It was like 4 for me

On high shock thats alot xD

[dusk timber]

4 is still good tho

Specially with how fast this thing is

[ornate hamlet]

Better than my combat knife zealot. Push stabbing crushers in the back still takes like 3-4 hits

At least the knife is fast!

[dusk timber]

What does your build look like

[ornate hamlet]

Sometimes it takes more though. Depends on some weapon blessings etc

[scarlet timber]

With the shield ?

Oh I got compelety right

With shotgun

The electricute one

Then make dog do more damage to rnage units

[dusk timber]

But yeah both shield and shieldless arb mauls are cracked af

[scarlet timber]

Shieldless maul is cracked actually

[dusk timber]

Shield too

[scarlet timber]

Its fasted as fuck better dodge range and 3 shots crushers

[ornate hamlet]

I’ve seen people doing the shieldless maul…hard clutching matches and all

[scarlet timber]

Its amazing

[dusk timber]

Doesnt mean shield maul is bad by any metric

[scarlet timber]

I think the class just needs more weapons

[scarlet timber]

Its just dodge range aswell tbf

You cover alot of ground from shieldess mauls dodge

Shields in tide games generally got the worse dodge ranges and counts

[dusk timber]

Arb has a talent that gives an extra dodge so it doesnt matter as much

[scarlet timber]

The reason its easier on ogryn is because of two things . His huge hands and view + brutal momentum

[dusk timber]

Does dodge range affect sprint sliding?

[jovial juniper]

Congrats you have 1 extra bad dodge

Still bad

[scarlet timber]

Yes

Slide with your shotgun instead

Also wait i totally forgot ogryn shield gets this

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/blessings/skullcrusher

[dusk timber]

Thank fuck arb doesnt get that on his weapons

[scarlet timber]

My highest damage build is actually my

Crusher arbites with terminus varrant

Two tapping crushers is fun

[dusk timber]

Terminus warrant lol

[scarlet timber]

Yeah i know its not the best one

But i stack it wuick with the revolver xD

Also wait did you know arbites get shotgun revolver in rogue trader ? Can we have that fatshark ?

[dusk timber]

We do have that

[scarlet timber]

Shotgun revolver?

[dusk timber]

Yes

Its the one that comes with a shield

[scarlet timber]

No like

Actual shotgun

[dusk timber]

Yes

It is a shotgun

[scarlet timber]

It doenst feel like a shotgun when I use it but I get it got good penetration its a fun weapon

[ornate hamlet]

Thank you for this.

Is FGS a good pick for this one? It’s been amazing for SG build but on auric I find psyker goes down like a sack of potatoes in 2 hits. lol

[dusk timber]

It is a shotgun though

[scarlet timber]

The one in owlcats game

Got the spread of the double barrel

[zealous wing]

with psyker its less "get tanky" and literally a "get good" scenario sadly

[scarlet timber]

Long live the inferno staff

[zealous wing]

FGS is great for crowd clearing and dealing with crushers / maulers tho

[scarlet timber]

The saviour of havek runs

[zealous wing]

but with psyker you want to be able to move, or trust your offense ability to take anything that would hit you, down before it does

[sinful perch]

Inferno my beloved ♥️
DoT is my go to in any game so the inferno is perfection itself

[scarlet timber]

As much as I love it. I think shockwave takes the cake for the best staff in the game

[ornate hamlet]

100%. I’ve done some auric runs with success, but yeah, I think the biggest thing I need to watch out for is and patrols. My mistake is I’m a zealot main and always try to face everything with melee first. Usually only realizing too late that it wasn’t a great idea to run into a crusher patrol with a psyker 😂 especially without softening them up first.

But it is an amazing weapon. I usually two shot crushers 🤷🏻‍♂️

[zealous wing]

yeah its great, i do the same thing xD

[ornate hamlet]

It’s hard not too! Sometimes the soundtrack just hits hard and you feel invincible.

Especially when imperial advance plays…pretty sure entire runs have been ruined to do everyone going full stupid and yeeting themselves into hordes, regardless of danger.

[zealous wing]

i see big armoured thing, i bonk. simple as

but when 1 big armoured thing turns into 6, well, then i have a problem

[zinc wedge]

Should I dump mobility or stability on the shotgun?

[verbal thistle]

Mobility

[restive slate]

Should Psyker get a Psygun?

[hollow current]

bolbter

[restive slate]

Crossbolt gun?

[zealous wing]

tbh assail is kinda a gun

functionally i mean

plus, yknow, the staves

[celest valve]

laspistol has force push

[zealous wing]

yeah but also... laspistol

[celest valve]

yes, laspistol also has a laspistol.

[restive slate]

3rd laspistol variant...

TWO LASPISTOLS

At the cost of longer reloads and brace instead of ADS

[quartz barn]

Dual wield pistols like vt2

[ripe obsidian]

I am in Europe. At least for the next few days.

Why stare

[wraith sphinx]

Because karien hates europe and will set it to the torch

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-stare-goofy-face-no-pee-pugakuorg-gif-16083210515411125700

not my time slot

[radiant frigate]

where the reload is just pulling out the next laspistol?

[wraith sphinx]

Lol pinged you at 2 am eu time

[woeful sigil]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1132940798141403136/1377739318088568933/7320831648431688416.gif

[radiant frigate]

i was awake at that time but i was raiding

[upper sun]

NEVER REPLY TO ME OR THAT CAT AGAIN

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/delete-this-moana-maui-dancing-what-can-i-say-except-gif-17413161

[woeful sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tickle-cat-tickle-chuddyfan-thomas-jefferson-gif-15541031946739484981

[nocturne dust]

Sleep < Purging Heretics

[upper sun]

🚬 I had a massive argument with my math teacher about this shit like in 3rd grade

she told me that i should always structure it as purging heretics > sleep and always say purging is greater

i couldnt use the smaller value first or refer to it as smaller

im still angry about it

[languid tusk]

psyker time to shine

and this was the first room lol

[quartz barn]

Good old hourglass

[proper spoke]

I’m an English teacher and I’m saying your ex math teacher was a fool

[upper sun]

words can not discribe my hate for beasts of nurgle

[icy breach]

Cause you’re a snack

[marble crater]

Raiding whom?

[quick crystal]

So I lleveled up psyker and did some h40 runs. As people predicted, running with smite has issues. Mainly mobility and often not enought dmg to dea with groups of armoreds. Playing with inferno staff I realised that psykers with staffs are probably the most dependant on others of all possible classes. Just several gunners further away and you're a sitting duck. Otherwise great horde clearing

[wind wind]

Eh, at least they are slow. Chaos Spawn and plogryn can whipe the map with you If youre unlucky

[ripe obsidian]

Ehhhh, I use Inferno + Shriek and I am usually the one charging gunners. Very rarely are other people ahead of me in H40 games.

At least with randoms.

I do agree that Psyker can be reliant on other classes, but not to an extreme.

[wind wind]

Charging on psyker....

Youre either brave or an utter fool

[quick crystal]

Do they just ignore you? Even a simple shooter melts down all the toughness in half a second

[ripe obsidian]

This is my last H40.

[ripe obsidian]

Shriek to stagger, LMB to stagger/suppress, loads of dodge sliding, EE for invuln, etc.

[radiant frigate]

southlanders for loot and plunder

[quick crystal]

Isn't shriek close range?

[marble crater]

30m is not close

[radiant frigate]

shriek is deceptively long range

[quick crystal]

what is inferno staff range in comparison? It's hard to tell distance in game

[radiant frigate]

that is never explained

shriek is like triple range maybe

[icy breach]

15m

[marble crater]

Are you... turning it into Mordor?

[radiant frigate]

no i'm not evil

[marble crater]

Source needed

[icy breach]

has shadowheart as profile icon

Ye right

[radiant frigate]

not shadowheart

never been shadowheart

[marble crater]

It says cultist in your name

[icy breach]

Oh right

Me old eye cant see well

[radiant frigate]

not all cults are evil

[wispy bay]

Hmmm

I smell heresy.

[marble crater]

[quick crystal]

doesn't look that close when you put it that way

[wraith sphinx]

vast majority of fighting in darktide takes place closer than 20-25 meters

which is why we call veteran's longshot talent longshit

[quick crystal]

the EE talent got me intrigued. since I already have Mettle and Perfect timing, was wondering if I should put 5% crit instead of 25% Flak dmg or is the blessing for crit enough

[wraith sphinx]

you sure can, I use it myself

critmaxxing psyker goes hard

[quick crystal]

hard to pick which talent point to remove. the kinetic resonance seems kinda pointless, for faster BB after ability

[marble crater]

On the other hand, inferno staff has many attacks that you don't need the crit chance and flak gives you more damage, if anything you should take flak and crit

[wraith sphinx]

kinetic resonance does get commonly ignored yeah

[quick crystal]

just kinda make sense to take it if the build leans towards crits in the first place

[marble crater]

But not instead of flak, instead of whatever else you have on there

[quick crystal]

I have flak and carapace

[marble crater]

Carapace is useless on inferno, so remove that

[ripe obsidian]

Flak + Unyielding

[icy breach]

Flak & crit chance for evasion on crit

[ripe obsidian]

I already have ~40% crit rate on average with Inferno

[quick crystal]

Is it due to low dmg to begin with?

[icy breach]

And buff stacking

[ripe obsidian]

I don't need more crit

[quick crystal]

just opened the inspection thing

[ripe obsidian]

Unyielding gives me more benefit with randoms

[icy breach]

Ofc

[ripe obsidian]

Soulblaze has absurd ADMs for everything but carapace

[marble crater]

Soulblaze doesn't deal damage to carapace and it only counts against crushers. Flak is almost every elite and some other enemies

[quick crystal]

I find myself more focusing on surrounding mobs rather than bosses tbh. Using staff makes you slow, so you cant just ignore little guys like sword wielding brutes

[ripe obsidian]

LMB to staggerlock guys with swords if they get close

Otherwise RMB with Blaze Away staggers most everything

Or Shriek to stagger them and reposition

Flak + Crit is good. Flak + Unyielding feels more impactful for my playstyle

[quick crystal]

on another topic, how often is empyric resolve used?

is it like a must if you use Warp Rider talent to mainting critical peril longer?

[wraith sphinx]

Fairly common for any kind of staff build

[marble crater]

I use it all the time with Elektro and Voidblast, not really with inferno

[wraith sphinx]

avoid it on gun psyker builds though there's no much reason to path bottom left on a gunker

[quick crystal]

I am yet to consider that path. Picking psyker was a way to get away from normal guns in the first place

And what about the branching talents of BB? BB is not used that much. And bursting one elite every 15 sec doesnt sound that good either

[marble crater]

Kinetic Resonance is meh
Kinetic Flayer is nice, it's free damage without needing to use your Blitz

[wraith sphinx]

KF is worth picking yeah

[quick crystal]

It's like you're melting 10 ragers and one of them just dies faster than the rest

[marble crater]

Flayer triggers more often than you think and also gives you kills you wouldn't get otherwise and get you kills faster

[quick crystal]

okey, you convinced me

[marble crater]

That faster dying rager gives you extra soulblaze stacks with PC and then the others die faster too

Kinetic Flayer can also trigger on Soulblaze ticks, which means you can do something like this:

[ripe obsidian]

Empyric Resolve is fine, depending on the build. Inferno is the only staff that doesn't necessarily benefit from it, because it is slow to build peril. So you have to be careful to keep peril high or you lose a lot of damage.

I use ER with bubble, not with shriek

[icy breach]

You should

[marble crater]

Not with Shriek

[icy breach]

Especially with shriek cause it protects you from ranged units as you flame the horde

[marble crater]

But Inferno with ER doesn't build enough peril for a lot of shrieking

[icy breach]

As long as its not on purgatus that is

[icy breach]

Just don’t use it on purgatus

[wheat shoal]

For me it's shit, due to it reducing peril gain you heal toughness slower as most toughness regen is realized through generating and quelling peril especially if at range, it basically nerfs those perks,

Tho of ur going with bubble it doesn't really matter

Hence you can just stay in the bubble

[marble crater]

Psyker has enough toughness regen though, also from crits and warp kills

[quick crystal]

At H40 toughness regen doesn't matter that much. Most cases it just breaks. I did reconfigured all of it on a map with Tox gas + tox bobmers tho

[icy breach]

The 30% seems alot at first but when you start doing math & taking in consideration how often you regenerate its nothing

[wheat shoal]

My bad on not touching h40 then, makes sense tho, overall more dps

[wheat shoal]

I can agree with that, especially since everything generates peril if running with staff and forcesword

[deft stump]

More, you simply don't wanna get hit there. Everything hurts so you want them dead asap.

[wheat shoal]

Yep figures, usual high level shenenigans

[marble crater]

I also don't want to get hit by Karien

[icy breach]

When you have 80 toughness then ofc get more

[deft stump]

Papa, 175 toughness goes poof in 2 hits.

On arby.

[marble crater]

Buff arby

[deft stump]

I don't think you wanna get whacked on psyker.

[wraith sphinx]

The peril quelling speed is so ass 💀 reason 5 million I can't stand playing havoc

[icy breach]

Arbys main weakness is DR overall; he needs enemies to get dr so not surprised

[ripe obsidian]

Most toughness gen is from Soulstealer and Mettle. Toughness gen on quell is too low to be worthwhile

[icy breach]

Its still a nice option depending on the build

[marble crater]

Battle Meditation is your friend, it's not affected by the penalty

[quick crystal]

Is there a way to view your talent tree in full view for sharing?

[marble crater]

Gameslantern website

[icy breach]

Mods

[wraith sphinx]

Just make it on gameslantern

[deft stump]

Pain still.

[wheat shoal]

Im not disagreeing but if staff you'd be at longer range compared to melee so swiftly quelling or starting quell may just get you enough for tanking another odd hit

[icy breach]

You have 300 ping; thats why you die

[icy breach]

Or better yet; keep the high peril for tdr from one with the warp

After all its the ONLY tdr you have apart from grey nodes

And those give you 15%

Combined

[plucky flax]

Only pros can clear h40 with 300 ping

[deft stump]

I don't take damage till I do, then 100% to 0% in a fraction of a sec.

[ripe obsidian]

It's not enough to survive even a tick of pox gas on H40, in my experience

[icy breach]

Karien is a pro… at being a pro

[plucky flax]

Best player i know

[quick crystal]

I just did H40 run with gas + extra tox bombers. With all tougness regen enabled and without Empyric Resolve, you can actually stay safe as long as you keep using staff

[icy breach]

Cope

[quick crystal]

So do I need to registrer to gameslantern to enable marking of the skill tree?

[icy breach]

If your toughness is below 100 then ofc you die faster
Many psyker builds don’t have alot of toughness and thats bad

[icy breach]

No

[ripe obsidian]

I usually have 114, I think.

[marble crater]

Make tree on gameslantern on phone, take screenshot, post, profit

[wraith sphinx]

It's a terrible gamemode

[wheat shoal]

Hovering about 70% is fine if it ranged I think, i haven't gone higher than damnation on psyker yet but 70 is fine at range at charging s horde with max peril slaps

[icy breach]

There is this very cute way of making it work
You right click & choose ‚make screen capture’ or whatever its called; you make it, save a file & dump it here
Ez

[icy breach]

For you

[quick crystal]

yeah but do i like paint over it? I though't the tree on page would allow me to mark the path

[icy breach]

It helps

[wraith sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/for-you-bane-the-dark-knight-rises-tom-hardy-gif-21912820

[deft stump]

Gaslight mains again.

[marble crater]

Just select the talents?

[icy breach]

Yes you can; just click the nodes from top

[quick crystal]

Nothing happens

[icy breach]

Select them as you would create a build aka from the top

[marble crater]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[quick crystal]

It does show the description when hovering over it, but doesn't let u mark

[marble crater]

You really just need to click on the talent

[quick crystal]

I AM. From the first one D:

oh, the editor...

[marble crater]

[icy breach]

[quick crystal]

Sshhhh

[icy breach]

[marble crater]

Did you try it on builds that others posted?

[quick crystal]

Before that I just tried on the tree they give you on the class front page

Anyway

I want the red ones too. Yellow would be great too, but no way that's happening I think

I am already willing to sacrifice kinetic resonance

[ripe obsidian]

Drop warp Battery

And whatever the other warp Siphon node is

And swap to In Fire Reborn from Vampire

[marble crater]

Well you can skip Kinetic Resonance for one and I'm also not a fan of Inner Tranquility, for one it's not consistent and two meh

[ripe obsidian]

I do not like battle meditation. It makes it annoying to maintain peril

[deft stump]

Is a taste thing, but too gambly.

[marble crater]

Instead of Inner Tranquility you can just take Empyric Resolve instead of Penetration of the Soul and save a point

[marble crater]

I thought you love gambling

[ripe obsidian]

I think this is my Inferno + Bubble build

[quick crystal]

Is battery really not worth it?

[ripe obsidian]

In my opinion, it is not worth it.

[marble crater]

You kill enough elites to get enough cooldown reduction from Psy Aura and won't really need it

[ripe obsidian]

It becomes a matter of whether or not you're actually getting a benefit.

[quick crystal]

Shields can go down really quick sometimes tho

[ripe obsidian]

B/c you're casting bubble enough that you might not be getting 6 stacks consistently

In my Shriek experiments, I think I was getting to 6 stacks maybe 10% of the time before shrieking again

Versus 4 stacks like 30% of the time

Something like that. I don't have my spreadsheet available to me right now

[quick crystal]

Shriek has shorted CD tho

considering everything you guys said, I end up with this

[ripe obsidian]

It's hard to judge, though, since the tracking mod only says time spent at X stacks, not how many stacks per shriek

[quick crystal]

Basically screw toughness and lots of warping

[ripe obsidian]

Don't take PotS unless you're using it to avoid ER

It's an awful node

You can test it in the Psykhanium, but it's a <2% DPS increase at best.

[marble crater]

[ripe obsidian]

13% at max stacks

[quick crystal]

It would probably go up to 10% considering your team tho

oh its not

brittle

[ripe obsidian]

It's rending, and armor shred has 25% effectiveness if your ADM is over 100%

And I think soulblaze ADMs are only sub-100% on carapace

[quick crystal]

Im sorry, ADM stands for..?

[strong gulch]

Maybe +15 toughness node instead of OwtW?

[ripe obsidian]

Armor damage modifier

[ripe obsidian]

I re-math'd it, and considering the other TDR nodes, OwtW is better than +15 around 40% peril

My previous math was flawed

[strong gulch]

Wtf

Lol

Dang math

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, it's somewhere in the chat history

[icy breach]

Do not use flayer with purgatus; use that talent for the red one

[ripe obsidian]

Kinetic Flayer is nice.

[deft stump]

Burster go boom.

[strong gulch]

Use KF with inferno

[icy breach]

Apart from kf its good

[ripe obsidian]

It kickstarts PC, and sometimes it blows up bursters on teammates.

[icy breach]

Stop the cap

[strong gulch]

No u

[ripe obsidian]

This is part of the benefit

[icy breach]

On all exept purgatus

[ripe obsidian]

I disagree

[icy breach]

You will until you kill yourself/your team with it

It will happen

And you’ll still deflect

[marble crater]

If it happens I will use KF even more

[icy breach]

Nice bait

[ripe obsidian]

I have like 1500 hours in this game and play almost exclusively H40. I have killed myself and my team before with KF.

[marble crater]

Not bait

[quick crystal]

im with the inferno staff

[ripe obsidian]

KF is still a strong pick.

[icy breach]

And you still use it; its called foolishness

[icy breach]

Yeah; for that staff only kf is not a great choice due to poxbursters

[ripe obsidian]

KF kickstarts soulblaze chain reactions and kills elites and specials at range. It rarely blows up bursters.

[icy breach]

For all exept purgatus due to that risk

[quick crystal]

Ah you mean bursters exploding prematurely?

[ripe obsidian]

If you're not picking it solely due to bursters, I recommend not blindly shooting fire into hordes when bursters are near.

[icy breach]

Its still a risk + everything dies fast as it is cause soulblaze is that strong

[icy breach]

You can’t even push them without endangering yourself

[ripe obsidian]

I blow up a burster unintentionally maybe once every 3-5 games with KF. That's no more than any non-Psyker class does just by shooting

[ripe obsidian]

???

[icy breach]

It procs on pushes too

[quick crystal]

I've once had burster pushed BACK to me by Abi's dog

[ripe obsidian]

No

It does not

[strong gulch]

There's a cool down icon for KF (if the buff icons are working). If you pay attention to that, then you minimize bad KFs.

The risk low anyways.

[marble crater]

It doesn't proc on pushes, only push attacks

[ripe obsidian]

It procs on force sword push attacks, because they do 1 damage

[marble crater]

Thanks you, now I can burster my team better

[strong gulch]

No. Push ATTACKS yes. Pushes no.

[ripe obsidian]

KF's risk exists, but it's minimal if you keep an eye on the cooldown icon and don't blindly shoot fire without paying attention to sound cues. It's less risky than an Arby dog or a Rumbler Ogryn or many other builds

[marble crater]

Force sword push attack being an actual push has lead to too many misunderstandings

[wraith sphinx]

wtf? I've had KF proc on block pushes

[ripe obsidian]

KF can only proc when you deal damage

[marble crater]

Then you were doing it wrong

[wraith sphinx]

does KF proc in psykhanium we gotta test this

[quick crystal]

Bursters are the reason it's fun leveling new characters. Not only you get to see lots of flying by new ppl, but experience some as well due to them getting shot as you attmept to push out of reflex

[icy breach]

Majority of the time ppl can’t even pay attention to team pings or special ques and you state watching a 1cm icon in a middle of a pressure wave is gonna do it; even i can say its gonna be hard and i do pay attention to many things at once
KF is nice option but for such a short range that is purgatus is too risky for the benefits it provides; any other weapon tho holy its fun (especially on using bb itself; double pop )

[marble crater]

Every time BB procs KF I think I am lagging

[ripe obsidian]

I do it just fine.

[strong gulch]

There is a difference between KF being a generally good pick vs it being a not good pick for you in particular.

[icy breach]

Looks like it but its fun

[icy breach]

Aka majority of ppl; as i described above

[strong gulch]

Yes, there is a risk. If that risk is outside of your taste or what you're willing to pay attention to, then fair enough.

[icy breach]

Good that it works for ya

[strong gulch]

I haven't seen most people here who would be asking about builds have this be a significant issue.

[icy breach]

But it creates unnecessary tension in some situations

[marble crater]

I avoid the issue by not playing Inferno

[icy breach]

Cause they haven’t experienced a loss due to it

Yet

[ripe obsidian]

Anything can cause a loss.

[icy breach]

That… is actually good & funny at the same time

[strong gulch]

I've seen more issues with buggy or silent busters than KF taking out a team or ending a run.

[ripe obsidian]

I lost an H40 a couple weeks ago because I push-attacked without realizing my peril was at 100%. KF isn't any more likely to cause a loss than anything else.

[strong gulch]

Some people have had issues with KF, they were told how to mitigate the risk, and lowered how often KF fecks them over.

[wraith sphinx]

I usually lose havocs because my teammates scatter to the 4 cardinal directions of the world and die

[icy breach]

Thats a random chance which you can avoid all together tho; thats the issue

[wraith sphinx]

or put themselves into a corner thinking they can win

[strong gulch]

Again, if that's not to taste, I get it.

[wraith sphinx]

same thing honestly

[ripe obsidian]

Don't light bursters on fire with Inferno and it's not nearly as much of a risk. Don't take Wildfire if you're still concerned.

KF > Wildfire, imo. I take both, but if I had to pick one

[icy breach]

Its not about taste
Its about not taking a risk where its consequences may be another variable to your team losing a game while its benefits are not that substantial due to how it works & on what weapon in question it is utilized
Purgatus kills everything fast as it is exept crushers and bulwarks to a degree cause high hp; that random brain burst ain’t gonna help that much cause of how much soulblaze you’re already spreading everywhere

[strong gulch]

The core of what's been talked about so far is you not thinking the risk of KF being worth it on inferno and others (myself included) saying that the benefits outweigh the risk.

To me, that is a preference difference. A difference of taste.

Aside from that. More SB applied faster = dead faster.

SB talents all working together to snowball things faster. Wildfire + KF + PC killing a whole shotgunner patrol before they even appear in line of sight.

You bring up crushers and I've had KF finish off a crusher while I'm flaming everything more often than a KF'd burster causing issues for the team.

[quartz barn]

Lets be honest here, dying to a burster because you kept using rmb while you couldve pushed it away with lmb or dying to a crusher because you cant dodge mid rmb cast are all skill issues

[icy breach]

You’re deflecting but thats ok

[quartz barn]

Also includes the use of kf btw

You should have a feel for its timing when youre good

[strong gulch]

Sure bud. We are no longer being productive. So lets end this.

[quartz barn]

Also ngl no clue what i should be using the skill point on otherwise if im not gonna pick kf

Unlucky for some ig

[icy breach]

Talent tree?

As in show it

If you please

[quartz barn]

Work

[strong gulch]

could grab a toughness node

[icy breach]

I know the feel

[quartz barn]

Probably

[icy breach]

That is one of the best things you can do yes

[quartz barn]

But tbh im already near flawlessing h40 so eh

[icy breach]

Toughness is king

[quartz barn]

Current record is 7 dmg taken

[icy breach]

Protects better vs shooters

[icy breach]

Nice!

When i doubt; grab more toughness

[dusk timber]

Toughness tax nodes

https://tenor.com/view/noot-noot-gif-7894213897838549290

[strong gulch]

That +5% to ranged damage node.

Or play 29 points supremacy.

[wraith sphinx]

ranged damage node on psyker is peak...

makes pathing there worth it

[marble crater]

Pick Warp Expenditure

[icy breach]

Or essence harvest

[pale prairie]

Nah nah pick Perilous Assault

[strong gulch]

Do you have PA? Yes, all of them.

[pale prairie]

That talent is how I know some of the devs played CoD.

“It’s always faster to switch to your sidearm than reload…”

[icy breach]

The funny thing is tho; we have weapon customizations in the code of the game but not implemented. When asked why we cannot customize our weapons the answer was and i quote; ‚this is not call of duty’

So ye

[wraith sphinx]

Jfc lol

[pale prairie]

Absolutely atrocious not to release the cosmetics for weapon sights

[icy breach]

Not to mention no sidearm… it would be nice to have a las pistol with the staff

[pale prairie]

Poor hellebore

[wraith sphinx]

Is that also why bash is the generic special weapon action instead of being its own thinf

[pale prairie]

Or even a hand cannon

[icy breach]

Those were a part of that code which was not implemented btw

[pale prairie]

Playing without any meleewould be legitimately fun/challenging

[wraith sphinx]

Imagine if hellbore and vag had a reflex sight like the lasgun

[pale prairie]

Yeah I have seen the mod that unlocked shit. So silly it’s there but not used

[pale prairie]

I do not like iron sights but recon lasgun looks loads better than some of the gun options

[icy breach]

Only psyker could do it i can already tell you that

[pale prairie]

The flame staff and voidblast feel tailored made for it honestly

[icy breach]

Trauma & bolt pistol

There ya go

Aka you lose to bosses

Cause no block

[pale prairie]

That’s where the fun comes in!!!

[tulip kettle]

my beloved told me that the special on staves is gonna be reworked to be like the special on siennas scythe

[pale prairie]

Oh yeah how about staves have special block

[icy breach]

Dying is not fun
Dying is gay
Remember to not be gay by not dying

[tulip kettle]

its so weird also seeing you all argue with someone i have blocked

[pale prairie]

What if it’s my team’s fault. /s

[tulip kettle]

like youre arguing with yourselves

[pale prairie]

Just talking to beloved

[icy breach]

I like to know it is me for some reason; pepega

[tulip kettle]

well it cant be my beloved

because my beloved has good takes

[pale prairie]

It’s MY beloved

[tulip kettle]

ah, well that might explain it

[pale prairie]

How many emperor shards are there? Lmao

[icy breach]

Argue? We just chat boi

[tulip kettle]

the real question is how many are racist/homophobic/obvious trolls

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/answer-quest-love-surprise-mysterious-fallon-tonight-gif-8707408

[icy breach]

Most certainly me by the standards of the man in question

[icy breach]

This gives me vibes from power rangers holo face

[icy breach]

But ye real talk; why block me? what did i ever do to you?

[icy breach]

Well… thats unfortunate then mistakes happen i guess

[pale prairie]

I make joke

[icy breach]

Oh…

[pale prairie]

Blaming team is something I do silently in my head not on discord

[icy breach]

Just don’t bottle it up

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-billy-butcher-karl-urban-the-boys-deep-in-thought-gif-25853867

[potent saffron]

It is healthy to sometimes releeeease it

[pale prairie]

That’s what the NEXT match is for lmao

Also sometimes I’ll stop and just play a MOBA. Now that shit will emotionally drain you into feeling nothing

[icy breach]

Deadlock? Or dota/lol?

[pale prairie]

Even more niche. The Darktide of MOBAs

Smite 2

[icy breach]

Forgot about it!

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/dozens-of-us-there-are-dozens-of-us-dozens-arrested-development-arrested-development-dozens-gif-18162954729757007693

Just waiting for deadlock to full release and absolutely murder it hahahhaa

[icy breach]

Based Valve

[pale prairie]

Yeah they are a pretty chill company. I appreciate when the CEO doesn’t try to fuck with the world and just hangs out on his boats

[wraith sphinx]

the healthiest method is to just yell at your screen

[pale prairie]

Then I have all this spit to clean off my monitor

[wraith sphinx]

why do you spit while yelling

[pale prairie]

Because that’s what those bastards deserve!

I actually ragequit a match yesterday for real though. After saving each teammate at least once I go down to a dog and they ignore me to hit poxwalkers instead of shooting the dog……

People really do ignore pings

[wraith sphinx]

I don't judge ngl, I ragequit matches too sometimes

[tulip kettle]

i keep playing public games on VT, getting upset with the baboonery shown by the so called humans that join, then going back to private games with bots to actually win

hopefully some day we will be able to use our own class loadouts for bots in DT

[deft stump]

You want access?

If it's not completely public yet?

[pale prairie]

Hmmmmm part of me wants it….but I wonder if I should wait till release. I know they are still figuring out MMR and balance

[pale prairie]

Oh yeah that would be amazing

[deft stump]

(I can just add you and boot it up and send an invite.)

[pale prairie]

I might actually get arbiter if I could make Botarbiter

[pale prairie]

You a pro there?

[marble crater]

Please, Karien is pro everywhere

[deft stump]

No. I find it more annoying to play. GF likes though.

Controller support is barely there.