psyker-class

[buoyant maple]

And it’s not the same thing as on other classes?

[tulip kettle]

but you dont want them all to be the same

ok

[buoyant maple]

What part about it is the same

[tulip kettle]

blocking all attacks on perfect block

what

youre trolling dude

[wind wind]

I am surprised that you advocate for psykers increased survivability instead of high damage @buoyant maple but unless ive missed it you havent once talked about toughness damage resistance or health damage reduction. It doesnt matter how much health and toughness psyker has If one hit drains all of it

[buoyant maple]

You don’t need a shield to do it
You don’t get stun immunity to do it
You get to push enemy back and stagger them

[tulip kettle]

........

LIKE THE OTHER CLASSES ALREADY

holy shit

[buoyant maple]

Idk at this point it’s like you’re the one not reading the whole message

[buoyant maple]

I also said give psyker better single target damage

[tulip kettle]

you dont need a shield to do it on arb or ogryn

[wind wind]

Doesnt matter If i kill the Elite in front of me when the trash behind me can down me in half a second

[tulip kettle]

they also knock back/stun attackers

what am i missing

[wind wind]

At this point i have a feeling you never play psyker

[buoyant maple]

They don’t

[pale prairie]

You would be too powerful if it wasn’t hidden next to the melee nodes lmao

[buoyant maple]

You can perfect block crusher overhead on ogryn with that talent

U will not stagger the crusher

And u will have all stamina gone

On psyker, if the exact same situation plays out

Since u have kinetic deflection

U get a sudden peril boost to go into high peril mode for more damage

U don’t get any stamina loss

And u force push back the crusher for a stagger

[strong gulch]

They couldn't even give us melee SB.

[buoyant maple]

How is that the same

[sturdy reef]

We would still have worse tgh gen than ogryn and arby

[pale prairie]

I mean it’s right there on the force sword blessings! Stop whining and build your shitty melee blaze build

[pale prairie]

arbiter fully standing in fire dots and shooting like he’s at the range

[buoyant maple]

The damage vulnerability idea is exclusive to high peril talents

Where if u go into high peril (>50%) you get significant damage bonuses to warp attacks but you’re more vulnerable to damage

U can just, not take them, and deny the risk, but u also lose out on the giga juiced rewards

It’s supposed to be a choice, you decide how vulnerable you want to be

[sturdy reef]

Why are all the melee blessings capped lol

For SB

Actually dumb

[pale prairie]

Ogryn slapping three enemies and getting toughness on hit, stagger, and kill

[pale prairie]

My assumption is that by being more vulnerable to damage you mean losing out on the hypothetical low peril boosts?

Cause I am trying to picture Psyker being more vulnerable and it’s a bit hard

[strong gulch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dba7173-f64c-4b4f-9213-94268e99e856/no-keystone-fire-sword-now-with-crit-chance-its-bad-but-play-it-anyways

[tulip kettle]

this is a different talent

you arent allowed to take more than 1 talent

thats cheating

else i can take knock back/stagger talents on the other classes too

and again

its just giving the same mechanics to another class

removing class identity

cool

[pale prairie]

Beans is a valued contributor and would never lead me astray to die horribly while getting flamed by my teammates

[tulip kettle]

and as for the defensive/offensive peril bonuses thing

i dont hate it

but youre essentially saying

reverse the scaling of OWtW and combine it with warp rider

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, I like the idea of things like, when below 50% peril, the first target hit takes additional damage/stagger, or even overkill damage splashing onto nearby enemies. Reward that single target damage. And then high peril would be a more universal boost, but lower numbers. So like 50% single versus 20% total.

[buoyant maple]

No

If u don’t take those unstable peril talents, you don’t get damage vulnerability at>50% peril, but u also don’t get bonuses

It’s just, not taking the talent therefore not getting the effects

[tulip kettle]

and are we also going to get signifcant durability buffs at baseline?

[buoyant maple]

That but make it 10x more sophisticated

[tulip kettle]

because else this is literally just useless

[ripe obsidian]

The defensive boosts at low peril feel like a noob trap unless they're crazy strong. Why take defense when you can have more damage? Killing enemies before they can hit you is always a better outcome than blocking them.

[buoyant maple]

Maybe slightly
But more notably at <50% peril, assuming u take the stable peril talents

[pale prairie]

Okay so you are talking about basically OWtW and Warp Rider but locking one of them behind low peril?

[buoyant maple]

Lemme get home first

Just got bread from boulangerie

[tulip kettle]

the thing is, making psyker even more vulnerable to achieve the same thing as now - why? already stupid squishy

[pale prairie]

St. Honore

[tulip kettle]

and making you slightly less squishy, but not even rmeotely on the scale of other classes, at the cost of dmg

again, why

its just bad

[pale prairie]

I agree with six on it being a bit of a noob trap. I see it being basically a dead node route because damage is always better than being able to survive a single crusher hit

[strong gulch]

Shock and awe so strongly that there's no roon for flames.

[tulip kettle]

nono, you just need to perfect block the crusher overheads

a thing the other classes that can do it regularly take and utilise, of course

no way they are dead nodes, silly

[pale prairie]

But like…..it’s never just the one crusher overhead lmao

And my assumption is if I miss that perfect block with the second and 3rd overheads (cause they clip into each other) I am just dead

[deft stump]

Why not just an extra node that heavily increases DR on low peril but lowers damage done by a small bit, but scales into high damage buff but also high vulnerability. At 35% peril, you gain positive damage buffs and a tiny DR, at 50% the DR is negated but the damage buff is showing, at 80% you deal way more but you now take more as well.

[tulip kettle]

its not terrible, but again the issue is

there is NO POINT in making the psyker even squishier

[buoyant maple]

Not same thing as now

More

[pale prairie]

That generally sounds like what Bath is saying

[tulip kettle]

its not even a cost

everyone is jiust going to take it

and do more dmg

and play the same as they do now

[deft stump]

I think he just wants the damage boost+vul.

[buoyant maple]

Nah

Lemme make smth

[tulip kettle]

and die the same as they do now when they make a mistake

[deft stump]

I'm thinking going from tankier at no peril to you know.

[pale prairie]

This node is gonna require a fucking essay of explanation lmao

[buoyant maple]

I never said 1 node

[pale prairie]

That’s what I thought he was saying but apparently no

[wind wind]

I amazed that we still have this discussion over one hour later. In zealot Chat they would have sent 5 "nu uhs", 10 deranged cat memes, 3 racial slurrs and 15 "no, are you dumb" messages and that would have been it.

[tulip kettle]

i summon @upper sun

[pale prairie]

You can hop over there if you miss it bud

[tulip kettle]

post catpee gifs

[wind wind]

You first

[upper sun]

hi

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/cpkc-gif-20699614

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/nuggetand-cat-car-cat-meme-cats-gif-13549128190129307854

[tulip kettle]

post catpee gifs plz

ty

[deft stump]

I'm too depressed to read everything tbh.

[tulip kettle]

as you were.

[pale prairie]

I’ve been reading everything and am in the same spot of understanding lmao

[wind wind]

I just wish all this babbeling in here would be productive. He wont give in. You wont give in. Just finally draw the dueling pistols and be done with it

[deft stump]

Just needed a distraction.

[pale prairie]

Oh it’s distracting alright

[tulip kettle]

i need to play damnation to finish levelling my new psyker if you want to play a game

[deft stump]

You know the cause of it was DT, right?

[tulip kettle]

i didnt know that no

[upper sun]

im down

do you wanna be carried to auric?

[tulip kettle]

i mean im down for it but i dont have a full talent tree so maybe i go sploot

[deft stump]

Too much number war soon tm.

[upper sun]

its ok

@deft stump YOU game?

smh its a yes or no question

[tulip kettle]

@strong gulch im sure you have a charcater that needs levelling right

[pale prairie]

Just take VB it’s op

[deft stump]

Let's just say, clingy side just went to hell over it. So distraction would be not going near it. Ask Larken if you need more info... maybe I should just take a shot of caffeine and just crash.

[tulip kettle]

sleep is the greatest healer

[upper sun]

caffeine is always the answer

[tulip kettle]

and caffeine is indeed the answer

[pale prairie]

Hope you feel better! Sorry about stuff not being great right now

[strong gulch]

I could. I got a level 1 that's keeping level 1 right now. I did delete my level 15 vet.

[wind wind]

Youre an enineering student indeed

[strong gulch]

RIP Mr. Body

[deft stump]

It's really just stupid. But yeah, clinginess causes issues much.

[deft stump]

Because it puts me to sleep?

[tulip kettle]

its just the answer for everything

need to sleep? caffeine

stay awake? also caffeine

posion bugs?

caffeine.

[wind wind]

Good keyword. Ive had enough of this silly nonesense.

@path.exe Hands off my psykers damage, or i'll use smykerspam on your family

@upper sun to you and the guys going online have fun

@pale prairie gute Nacht

To everyone else god emperor be with you and good night.

[pale prairie]

I get socialed out too. That’s why DT is my decompress haha

[pale prairie]

Good night sweet prince

[wind wind]

Good night (Keyboard ) warrior

[deft stump]

More shit happened. And more shit is happening. Garh, why couldn't my stupid brain just be normal.

[pale prairie]

Normal doesn’t exist lmao

[brazen compass]

Normal is a social construct to make you feel bad for being an individual

https://tenor.com/view/rpx-syria-mic-drop-gif-19149907

[deft stump]

Well, more 'normal', and not be a karking mess like this. Where one is all, they are just ignoring me or going 'offline' to hide ignoring me or so.

Then again, she did it to hide playing with others back in the days so should have known.

[ripe obsidian]

What about a talent that takes KD a step further? Taking health damage goes to peril first, then bleeds to health. I can see it being very good for meleekers.

[pale prairie]

Oh yes sir give me more

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe it's too complicated to implement, but I like the idea of Psyker's peril gauge being a natural flow between low and high to deal with specific situations, rather than just a race to 80%+ peril or, the inverse, to stay below like 40%.

Like, hordes? High peril is the thing. Bosses, low peril. Elites, back to high. Armor pack, back to low.

Meaningful decisions in evolving situations rather than a very specific win condition of high or low

With drawbacks and rewards for each.

High peril = overall damage increase, better AOE, lower defense.
Low peril = single target damage increase, higher movespeed, higher defense.

Something like that

To that end, a talent that raises peril instead of taking damage would be a natural fit for lower peril builds. Could even give it the caveat of, "while below 50% peril, health damage taken will be reduced by X amount in exchange for raising peril Y amount." Or make it based on your current peril? Like, at 0% peril, it blocks 80%, at 80% peril it blocks 0%, and a sliding scale between.

And if lower peril is more movement speed, losing it as you go up, it's a meaningful loss for letting peril absorb the damage.

[buoyant maple]

Let me finish my document thing

[ripe obsidian]

You're now stuck in whatever situation, your get out of jail card used, and you have to fight your way out.

[buoyant maple]

Then u can judge

I’m just saying I’m cooking hard with this

[ripe obsidian]

I'm a huge proponent of meaningful choice in games, tabletop and video. It's exhibited a bit in Fatshark's design philosophy of, "If you wish you had 5 more talent points because you can't get everything you want, we designed it well," to paraphrase

It's just hard to make a choice meaningful in gameplay design without one outcome being inherently better

Like, if high peril were +30% damage and low were +30% TDR, high peril is always better.

[deft stump]

You do the same with the OP trees.

Just to be 5 more points OP.

[ripe obsidian]

I didn't say they're perfect at it

Just that the idea is sound

[tulip kettle]

i mean, we all always want more talent points right

i also think that adding durability to psyker isnt a worthwhile thing unless its SIGNIFICANT

if i cant just stand in the horde and essentially ignore it like other classes can while also pumping insane dmg then why bother

[deft stump]

Vet needs like 15 more points as well.

[tulip kettle]

for most builds on classes i feel like even 2 more points would be just the right amount

[ripe obsidian]

Right, but that risks muddling class identity. I think the appropriate way to do defensive buffs is to lean into damage mitigation, not facetanking better

[tulip kettle]

yeah sure but isnt that essentially the same

for example

hp damage to peril

i take BCOB

i stand there hitting hordes and never dying

[pale prairie]

Whoa careful Karien that’s TOO MUCH POWER

[buoyant maple]

ok

[deft stump]

Not really. Vet needs +10 more.

[buoyant maple]

@tulip kettle @ripe obsidian

[tulip kettle]

HOLY ESSAY BATMAN

[ripe obsidian]

Depends on how much you're getting hit. Being able to mitigate one hit per 10 seconds seems fine. BCOB would need modifying, or put an internal cooldown on hp to peril, but still

[buoyant maple]

I give u martyrdom psyker

[buoyant maple]

uhh

[pale prairie]

Damn the class is in a worse place than I thought

[ripe obsidian]

I cannot read it

[buoyant maple]

here

[pale prairie]

Unironically we’ve been joking about that with wounds, crystalline will, and making psyker self explosion more like Ogryn grenade

[ripe obsidian]

Why is this a .bin file

[buoyant maple]

Read what I sent

[graceful arch]

I wish I could read but all I see is pixels.

[deft stump]

So +15 is just right for the +5 thing.

[graceful arch]

Martydom psyker.

[deft stump]

I mean, more corruption, larger more deadly boom.

[buoyant maple]

read the document I sent just now

[graceful arch]

30% finesse is fucking huge though

[buoyant maple]

that's per fully corrupted wound

[tulip kettle]

i mean some of these are cool

but they would require so much reqorking

[buoyant maple]

run 5 wounds
corrupt 3
now u have +30% crit chance and +90% finesse

[tulip kettle]

on other stuff

like

[pale prairie]

Yes you get it

[buoyant maple]

this is meant to be a rework

[ripe obsidian]

I will read this when I have a moment

[tulip kettle]

all the high peril stuff being weakspot based

[buoyant maple]

a high level rework that changes ur gameplay approach

[graceful arch]

Melee psyker is thriving up until you take a hit.

[tulip kettle]

when most of psykers good stuff doesnt care about weakspots at all

[graceful arch]

What staffs can even make good use of the finesse?

[deft stump]

Final wound with crazy damage.

[tulip kettle]

th worst one

[graceful arch]

Maybe gun psyker?

[tulip kettle]

but then

i have to take wound curios

[zealous wing]

ye bubble knight would slaughter with bonus finesse

[buoyant maple]

even the ones that don't
there's still an easily accessible 20% crit chance bonus

[zealous wing]

ye thats a sad

but at least they'd be fucking useful for SOMETHING

[tulip kettle]

like i genuinely like the idea of sanctioned/unsanctioned

and its been discussed before

[graceful arch]

I mean 90% finesse on gun psyker will certainly be something.

[tulip kettle]

but it involves essentially reworking every weapon the class has at the same time

or yes, we are just "better weapon specialist"

[buoyant maple]

yea and most of them prob need some changes

[tulip kettle]

i dont agree

[zealous wing]

what is unsanctioned / sanctioned in this context?

[buoyant maple]

3 of the 4 staffs can use changes

[tulip kettle]

i think most of the things we have are accurate to the lore

[deft stump]

120% finesse.

[buoyant maple]

sanctioned = stable
unsanctioned = unstable

[graceful arch]

Crit weakspot and the boss just breaks both his kneecaps.

[tulip kettle]

yeah i was just using the terminolgy thats been used before

[deft stump]

I still think sanctioning is still terrible, is literally traumatising someone to heck to see if they explode from it.

[pale prairie]

Well with that much increased toughness damage above 50% peril what’s the point of anything other than wounds and health

[zealous wing]

speaking of bosses, bubble knight on combat stim is 😩

[tulip kettle]

but thats the point

i must take wounds

[zealous wing]

was speedrunning levels with an american group last night and i took a combat stim and the boss literally melted

[tulip kettle]

so i now have 60 toughness and 150hp broken into 5 wounds

[pale prairie]

Question: where’s the risk of explosion if I am hovering around 50%

[tulip kettle]

so im running around on 30hp with 60 toughness and no TDR or DR

im dead.

[strong gulch]

vet tho

[buoyant maple]

u can also just
not take that talent

[pale prairie]

This seems to require absolutely perfect play at all times to use any of the above 50% stuff

[tulip kettle]

so then what does the class do

[graceful arch]

Just don't get hit 4head /s

[zealous wing]

could also just take 1 wound or no wound and run with a single fine wound

[pale prairie]

Like a single scab regular shooter

[graceful arch]

You're playing a glass cannon made of even more fragile glass.

[tulip kettle]

and get no bonus from it

[zealous wing]

it would be a balance hunt for sure

[tulip kettle]

thats like saying i could play martyrdom with 2 wounds

sure, i could

but why would you ever

[graceful arch]

Perk should just give you 2 wounds baked in

[buoyant maple]

I'm not against that tbh

[pale prairie]

Lmao imagine the race to the bottom between wounds psyker and wounds zealot

[zealous wing]

i mean an extra 10 crit chance would indeed be something

[tulip kettle]

lol no it wouldnt

[zealous wing]

and it would happen if you go down at all

[buoyant maple]

maybe +1 wound baked in

[tulip kettle]

theres no real difference between 45 and 55% crit chance

[graceful arch]

Make a grey node next to it with an extra wound

[tulip kettle]

going from 30% crit to 70% is significant

[strong gulch]

Seems to be the point.

boom on dead

[tulip kettle]

but if i also just instantly die when hit by a single poxwalker what is even the point

[zealous wing]

dont get hit

[tulip kettle]

you cant not get hit

you just usually get hit with full toughness then regen the toughness before you get hit again

[zealous wing]

idk man, im trying to play devils advocate here

[buoyant maple]

don't play the entire time on 1 last wound then

[tulip kettle]

or get hit with slightly less than full toughness because of a shooter also clipping you

and take a butt load of dmg

[buoyant maple]

it's not meant to be a "I must stay at 1 wound to maximize effect" thing

u gauge the risk/reward urself

[strong gulch]

Be an unexploded nuke running around. By will or getting tapped too hard just boom.

[tulip kettle]

but thats not how the game is played

[pale prairie]

New idea above 50% peril you get no toughness but can instant kill anything

[zealous wing]

thats exactly how it would go, though

[zealous wing]

^

people would automatically lean for this

[tulip kettle]

right but again thats not how the game is played

and the whole martyrdom thing only works on zealot because of until death and holy rev

[buoyant maple]

what if unlucky for some cleansed a wound for u

[tulip kettle]

NOW WERE TALKING

i have a reason to barrel people

[buoyant maple]

every time someone goes down

[tulip kettle]

beyond finding it funny

[buoyant maple]

not death

[strong gulch]

I'M READY

[zealous wing]

incorrect, they have to go down in coherency, a barrel into the abyss doesnt count

[buoyant maple]

yea

[tulip kettle]

why you have to spoil my fun

also

[zealous wing]

:(

[tulip kettle]

any talents in this game

that rely on other players

[zealous wing]

oooo level 3

[tulip kettle]

are dead talents

we all know this

[strong gulch]

30 now 😭

[zealous wing]

yeah unless youre in a good team on auric+ they're useless

[strong gulch]

too true

[zealous wing]

by good team i mean no wandering off unless task

[buoyant maple]

I rly think crystaline giving u some extra benefit is enough to make it interesting, and it's not like u have to min-max it

[tulip kettle]

theyre especially useless with good teams because they will never proc

[pale prairie]

Wait so I get 10% extra discount on peril use but instead of 30% toughness regen reduction it’s 70???

[tulip kettle]

i do think crystalline should actually do something, yes

we have all said it should

[pale prairie]

In addition to 20% more damage on toughness

[buoyant maple]

which part

[tulip kettle]

i like the idea of doing a megaboom like ogryn frag

[pale prairie]

The Empyric resolve change

[strong gulch]

I think by staying in this discord means you have a tendency to minmax.

[zealous wing]

honestly if it was like, bounus 20% to warp attacks for 10s or so after overloading that would be SOMETHING

[tulip kettle]

in havoc when it all goes to shit i just blow myself up

take one for the team

[pale prairie]

Oh wait your numbers are reversed? It’s 70% toughness regen not minus 70?

[tulip kettle]

yeah so -30%

[buoyant maple]

at <50% peril, u gain peril much faster
at 50% or higher peril, u gain peril much slower
in addition, at 50% or higher peril, ur toughness replenishment is reduced to x70% of what it would be

[deft stump]

Some just naturally do it. Some create nightmares instead.

[zealous wing]

yeah when i had crystal will i would overload intentionally a lot just to keep attacking

[buoyant maple]

it's essentially an upgrade to what it is rn

because no staff build wants to stay at low peril

[pale prairie]

Misread the percentage

[tulip kettle]

thats your story and youre sticking to it 🙂

"intentional"

[zealous wing]

no genuinely, it also did save me a lot, but it had a function similar to shriek

[buoyant maple]

but almost all staff builds want to build peril slower at high peril so u can cast more which means more dmg

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-definitely-agree-blanche-devereaux-golden-girls-gif-27025299

[buoyant maple]

this is meant to directly address that

[zealous wing]

it got ragers off my ass if they were there, and if i needed to keep fighting the CS on my shit build, i could

[strong gulch]

You die but other players get picked up and coherency or proximity doesn't matter.

Take One For The Team

[buoyant maple]

I told u I was cooking

[pale prairie]

I am assuming these benefits are like a sliding scale? So we still have peril edging yes?

[buoyant maple]

and u mfs jump the gun on one VB change

look at what I just posted then look at what VB change I had

[tulip kettle]

but i mean yeah VB would still be poop

and in all of these changes

[zealous wing]

you dont touch our baby VB

[tulip kettle]

why not just play a different class

[buoyant maple]

no?
u get 20% crit chance for free

[zealous wing]

VB has been through a lot

[tulip kettle]

right but crit chance becomes useless

[strong gulch]

When your brain craves chaos and needs a break from things being "just so".

WAIT. This just might be AuDHD. lmao

[buoyant maple]

u can even drop nexus if u meme with crystaline

[tulip kettle]

because you nefed the aoe

the only reason you want crit on VB is to spread blazing in the wider aoe

you nerf the aoe and you dont take crit anymore

[deft stump]

You also rescue teammate immediately but your rescue timer is doubled-tripled-quadrupled depending on number of allies rescued that way.

[zealous wing]

i wouldnt be able to say if it wasnt AuDHD

[buoyant maple]

@tulip kettle I didn't
I said to make the area grow slower at low charge but accelerate when u charge for longer
the full charge radius is unchanged

u just, can't spam lower charge attacks and get as much radius

[tulip kettle]

you cant do that now

[deft stump]

Insane builds galore.

[tulip kettle]

i say this as a VB lover

[buoyant maple]

just charge more

[tulip kettle]

i have mained VB ever since it was a thing, and before infenro became required for havoc

[buoyant maple]

u can even drop nexus if u got more crit chance from talent

dropping nexus means u can run much weirder setups

[tulip kettle]

yeah sure i dont disagree, but why would i run those set ups

[buoyant maple]

so u have a choice

[tulip kettle]

a choice to run something bad

ok

[buoyant maple]

why is it bad

[pale prairie]

Like to meme or to contribute?

Is that my choice?

[tulip kettle]

well like i explained

[buoyant maple]

like

what exactly is the bad setup here

[tulip kettle]

you run VB to spread blazing in a huge area and knock down the stuff in the middle

so what am i gonna do, take terrible barrage?

[acoustic jacinth]

Just slime the whole class 🔥

[buoyant maple]

blazing requires crit
u get 20% from talent now essentially for free which means u have the option to drop nexus if u want

if u meme very slightly and blow urself even once with crystaline u now get 30% which is 2x as much as what nexus normally gives u

what exactly is the bad setup

[tulip kettle]

that it requires me being literal paper

[pale prairie]

So crystalline becomes a necessity

[tulip kettle]

even more so than now

and i MUST take that talent node

[buoyant maple]

why is it a necessity

[tulip kettle]

because it doesnt function without it...

[pale prairie]

Otherwise I blow up and am down?

[buoyant maple]

u still get 20% from just 1 talent for free

[buoyant maple]

why do u have to blow up if u don't take crystaline

[buoyant maple]

what doesn't function

[tulip kettle]

if i dont get the crit chance from the talent

[buoyant maple]

which talent

[tulip kettle]

then it doesnt function, right

are you gaslighting me? the thing that means i get increased crit chance with less wounds

[buoyant maple]

are u forgetting this part

[tulip kettle]

oh right yeah so that talent

[buoyant maple]

this doesn't require u to run crystaline or meme

[tulip kettle]

so youve removed the requirement to take a blessing

and inserted the requirement to take a talent

interesting

[buoyant maple]

therefore u could run flurry to counter the worse radius scaling speed from charge

or even run a meme brittle fire build

this doesn't require u to run crystaline whatsoever

[proper osprey]

Psyker already has a lot of tax

[buoyant maple]

and this is not meant to be a "have to go out of my way to grab" talent either

[tulip kettle]

honestly, instead of all of this

move souldrinker

buff BB

remove smite

we're pretty much done

[buoyant maple]

that's just boring

class rework is supposed to be interesting

[pale prairie]

So this whole thing is about either choosing to go all in on no peril (so play like a worse zealot, vet, arbiter, Ogryn) or choose to go all in on high peril (like it is now)

Or somehow juggle both with quelling and peril generation? (Which sounds so exhausting)

[tulip kettle]

not to mention

[buoyant maple]

stable is not mutually exclusive with unstable
u can take any of them

[tulip kettle]

if you are going for juggling, the pay off needs to be significant DPS/tankability increases over other classes

at the respective perils

or else just play another class

[buoyant maple]

and this is just about the concept of introducing that decision

[tulip kettle]

i dont hate the stable/unstable idea

but the pay offs need to be worth it

[pale prairie]

But can you see how juggling that would be a little crazy? Like oops I went 1% over 50 cause I push attacked with FgS and now the hit I could tank downs me cause my toughness DR is now toughness vulnerability

[buoyant maple]

look at the thing I posted
do u think they're worth it

[tulip kettle]

and if you are trying to take both, because of how trees work in this game, youre going to end up without the actual benefits of either and the downsides of both

[pale prairie]

Especially with ER on board and the rate of decay and generation being very different depending on the side of 50 you are at

[pale prairie]

Mid at both

[buoyant maple]

I'm pretty sure u can spec it in a way that's not pure downsides

[tulip kettle]

so then im just, less tanky than other classes, less dmg than other classes, all while juggling an extra thing

meanwhile other dudes just go bonk bonk hehe everything dead me no take dmg

[pale prairie]

I like the idea but I think it requires a change in peril approach completely. Not just yo-yoing the bar

[buoyant maple]

sure, can make them linear swings

but there has to be a cutoff

for unstable I think cutoff is still 50%

[pale prairie]

Like maybe instead of tdr and stuff your peril bar becomes some kind of resource when your goal is to stay low. Damage or something fills it up and if it gets too high you explode like you would when peril edging high

[buoyant maple]

why

that's not the same idea

[pale prairie]

I know it’s a different idea

[buoyant maple]

don't know

[pale prairie]

Cause your idea is just remove the peril bar completely in one build path

[buoyant maple]

I personally don't think psyker needs a 2nd thing to juggle outside of peril that also blows them up

[buoyant maple]

no?

[pale prairie]

If I go all in on low peril build I want it low. So I’ll not pick staff and I’ll avoid things that build peril

So then I am not playing a psyker anymore

[buoyant maple]

what do u think an all in low peril build looks like

[tulip kettle]

yeah this is what i said 2 hours ago tbh

[pale prairie]

What’s the point of a peril gauge

[buoyant maple]

given 3 of the 5 changes are melee

what do u think it looks like

[tulip kettle]

it looks like gunker

running around with FGS and a gun

[buoyant maple]

what do u take on a gunker

[pale prairie]

I am assuming that the most bonuses are close to 0 peril

[tulip kettle]

but now i dont throw assails

[marble crater]

I played 4 missions of Helldivers and you guys are still going

[buoyant maple]

u still can, because u do that for horde and warp splitting is a thing

[pale prairie]

The challenge of gunker is you are balancing high peril with few tools so that you can maximize your damage. This is just play like vet and never use blitz or ability as long as it generates peril

[tulip kettle]

but then i will gain peril and lose all my bonuses and also die

yup like i said

worse weapon specialist

[buoyant maple]

ok

[pale prairie]

And toothless damage psyker

[buoyant maple]

I think it can be a bit more lenient than that

prob smth that scales from high to low as ur peril goes up

instead of cutoff at 50%

maybe cutoff at 80%

[pale prairie]

I like the direction like these being separate branches but you HAVE to have a purpose for peril or a peril gauge

[sinful peak]

what direction do I dodge chaos spawn grab

[buoyant maple]

right

[tulip kettle]

towards its tentacle arm

[white valley]

lore accurate darktide run

[tulip kettle]

hard to tell because poop scoreboard but willem obviously playing arb

also, dmg numbers are so last week

[pale prairie]

TAUNT NUMBERS ARE IN

[tulip kettle]

we care about clear times now

[pale prairie]

HOW MANY ENEMIES DID YIU CC

[buoyant maple]

this is a bit unironic

[tulip kettle]

i was being serious

[buoyant maple]

yea dmg number actually can be inflated a lot

[tulip kettle]

i think i said earlier

dmg numbers just give an indication of how active players were in the game

and youre gonna get very different results with garden vs non garden for example

[buoyant maple]

orange drops everyone's dmg as an example

[tulip kettle]

i posted this

to show, 2 arbs in the same game with the same build

the numbers htemselves mean nothing

[buoyant maple]

and also weapons' ADMs vs armor types

[tulip kettle]

just relative to each other they show how impactful each was

[buoyant maple]

and enemies can have innate weaknesses

killing dreg rager is half the dmg as killing mutant

but they're not that far off in terms of threat to team

[zealous wing]

personally i find ragers more a threat than muties

[tulip kettle]

i would say the 6 ragers dying is much more impactful and harder to achieve than a mutant and a crusher

[buoyant maple]

scoreboard can't track all that

[tulip kettle]

also me burning the 50 poxwalkers at the back means essnetially nothing

but when the arb stops hitting the bulwarks at the front to come and do it, thats very significant

[marble crater]

If you don't, two of them will hit you and you go down. You are a psyker.

[zealous wing]

wonder if there's a scoreboard to track specific kills of things, xnumber of walkers vs ragers vs gunners etc

[buoyant maple]

yes

powerDI

[tulip kettle]

nothing makes me saltier in this game than my ogryn/arb refusing to go forward and be at the front to instead come to the back and hit the pox im burning

[marble crater]

Cowards

[pale prairie]

So silly too cause the best part of those classes is being fucking invincible and bullying bosses

[tulip kettle]

i relate to chaos on a spiritual level - i get so impatient waiting for them to move forward i just end up doing it myself

[pale prairie]

“Rinda you scared me a lot as a psyker but I am gonna kick your ass now I am Ogryn”

[buoyant maple]

I should check psyker's melee vs boss dps

speaking of

ik it's bad but idk how bad

[tulip kettle]

the worst monents in the game are when ive killed all the stuff in front of us, and i turn around and see my 3 team mates hitting poxwalkers coming from the back

i just stand there and watch them, waiting

silently seething to myself

then i start to type and die because i dont have chat block

[buoyant maple]

just gonna check FGS6 on psyker

[tulip kettle]

the amount of times i have sent a message that says "will you please move forw wwww aaa wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww" as i die

[pale prairie]

And then they flame your dying or say “your welcome for saving your ass”

[tulip kettle]

is not 0

[pale prairie]

Spam ping

[marble crater]

Type faster?

[white valley]

aye

wym poop scoreboard

[tulip kettle]

doesnt even show times downed or killed

or dmg sources

[white valley]

no one died in that mission

[tulip kettle]

or nemy types

[white valley]

meh

good enough for me

[buoyant maple]

oh lmao

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/byuntear-incrives-meme-meme-react-gif-25029710

oh you wanted unyielding damage?

well too bad.

[buoyant maple]

basically uh

if u don't have SG + 25 DD

[white valley]

Just use a heavy laspistol

[buoyant maple]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-speed-backflip-speed-backflip-ishowspeed-backflip-gif-12661145440690617681

[broken carbon]

melee on the ranged class is weak if you don’t build for melee

hm,,,

fascinating,,,

[tulip kettle]

nah thats incorrect

you cant say psyker is "the ranged class"

vet kills bosses no problem

[broken carbon]

it’s a versatile class with a focus on ranged damage

boss kill is something psyker struggles with in general

[tulip kettle]

psykers only passable boss dmg is recon lasgun / laspistol and its still worse than on other classes

and GL getting 25 DD stacks in a real game

[broken carbon]

or vraks

[tulip kettle]

sorry yes vraks

i forgot that one

[broken carbon]

15 is plenty in terms of bosskill on gunker

u still deal insane boss damage with 15 stacks

[tulip kettle]

i mean, its ok

[buoyant maple]

I don't think it's that bad

[strong gulch]

I would not call psyker, even with its boss killing build, high boss DPS.

That's like horde clearing with DS.

Maybe in mortis with silly buffs.

[white valley]

A gunker with a laspistol can output fairly good boss dps

[tulip kettle]

it really is, you just arent getting 25 because how janky DD is

[white valley]

The finesse modifiers from SG and DD benefit Laspistol immensely

[broken carbon]

i wish i was home so i could show psyker bosskill

[buoyant maple]

FGS can hit decent numbers

but

because psyker has no boss stagger

[strong gulch]

fairly good vs other class's high or incredible boss dps

[buoyant maple]

it's not as consistent

it's not as high as ogryn pickaxe or veteran power sword for sure

[broken carbon]

good, boss stagger needs to be rarer

[buoyant maple]

sometimes u just get combo and don't have dps window

[tulip kettle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1407482033793405019/BRRR.mp4?ex=68b0cf4a&is=68af7dca&hm=b51dd6b1013e13cf0792f3fba941415119ac63604e5abcdee204c9addb8ddecb&

meanwhile

[broken carbon]

weakened

[tulip kettle]

and so

[buoyant maple]

this is mid

weakened is only 24k health

[tulip kettle]

plz show killing weakened plogryn in 3 seconds on psyker

[broken carbon]

psyker in general has lower boss damage than other classes and that’s fine !

[tulip kettle]

and this is on a class i suck BALLS with

[broken carbon]

the options psyker has, gunker, are good !!

[tulip kettle]

in a real game without optimisation

yes, thats the point my dude, psykers best isnt close to other classes mid

and i agree that its fine

because w edo other stuff better

[buoyant maple]

psyker's best is much better than other classes' mid

it just happens to be a gun

[broken carbon]

i wish ek had a bit better unyielding

[tulip kettle]

again, please show me you killing weakened plogryn in 3 second son psyker

you can optimise however you like

[broken carbon]

if i was home id love 2

[haughty walrus]

how hard it is to use this psyker class on the end game

[tulip kettle]

its generally considered the hardest class to play.

you are a glass cannon with an awful lot of glass and not too much cannon

but you kill poxwalkers good

so thats nice

[broken carbon]

15 DD stacks

into plogryn head

with SG active

[buoyant maple]

I'll do it for u

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/9259588109848610643/D63B0D9FFEDA322DFBA39235C451B76D3FE94EAC/

almost 30k

[broken carbon]

start at 100 peril if u want for more value from warp rider

lmfao

thank you

@tulip kettle

[broken carbon]

and still had 18 rounds left in the magazine

[tulip kettle]

and had 23 stacks of

dd

[broken carbon]

the only thing i’d change is starting at 100 peril so the vent takes u down to 50%

for more value from warp rider

[buoyant maple]

u said I could do it however I wanted

[broken carbon]

and getting rid of quell on ranged crits (preference)

[tulip kettle]

yeah sure so like i said, your absolute very best

is like mid on another class

[buoyant maple]

this is not absolute very best tho

[tulip kettle]

the clip i posted i dont even have agile engagement procced

cmon

[buoyant maple]

the clip u posted is not remotely close to vet best either

[tulip kettle]

thats what i said!"

thats the point!

wtf!

[broken carbon]

@tulip kettle

no

this is the point

[buoyant maple]

I don't have stacked SG

I don't have red stim

I don't have malefic

[verbal thistle]

team buffs

[broken carbon]

nor warp rider

[buoyant maple]

I don't have warp rider

no peril

raw DD

[tulip kettle]

so again, what point are you trying to make

are you saying psyker does have good boss dmg

[broken carbon]

with SG stacked that’d be absurd damage now that i think about it lmfao

[tulip kettle]

compared to other classes

[buoyant maple]

this?

[broken carbon]

with a build for it yeah

[buoyant maple]

malefic + stacked SG + warp rider should be around 70% ish extra dmg

but I am too lazy to set that up

[tulip kettle]

MY POINT was that psykers absolute best is like mid to other classes

i dont see anything disproving this

[buoyant maple]

idk I wouldn't call it that

the only thing I can say is that psyker's boss dmg tools are restrictive and not accessible on staff build

ogryn is sort of a similar situation? there're only like 3 ogryn weapons with notably high boss dps

branx, borovian, rumbler

[broken carbon]

mid ?

i wouldn’t say mid

[tulip kettle]

right but again ogryn can just stand there bonking a cspawn with bully club taking no dmg and bleeding it to death

[broken carbon]

it’s still great bosskill in terms of how quickly ur putting a boss down

[buoyant maple]

yea and it is cringe

I do think confident strike is cringe

[broken carbon]

yes yes gut ogryn what else is new

[broken carbon]

yeah i wish there were better options for bosskill on psyker aside from guns

voidstrike is meh

[broken carbon]

yeah i wish there were better options for bosskill on psyker aside from guns

guh service sucks

[broken carbon]

brainburst builds r far too specialized for how mediocre brainburst is

[buoyant maple]

tbh I think the worst one rn is zealot
most zealot weapons need changes still

I still firmly believe thunder hammer is the worst designed melee in the game

eviscerator also
truly bringing the "fight" out of a boss fight because of how slow u'll kill them

[white valley]

Shovels and Clubs can dish out decent boss dps, not the highest but on a skullcrusher build they will do well enough

[buoyant maple]

they're just ok

[rich spindle]

Non gun boss damage build could be cool if it severely weakened your crowd nuking dps

I think it would be boring to have both

[white valley]

Tbf this is intentional, Psyker pays for its horde clear and no ammo consumption with poor burst damage and especially low boss damage

[tulip kettle]

time is a flat circle.

[white valley]

I disagree, a club can deal quite decent dps if you use the proper combos, people just spam lights lmao

[broken carbon]

yah i wish we had bolt staff

slower to charge attacks, but great boss kill

puts u at risk from melee chaff

[ripe obsidian]

This conversation is still going on, holy moly. And everyone is making the same points as 3 hours ago

[broken carbon]

i think it’d be good

[tulip kettle]

https://discordapp.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046914150363844779/1410392062720741536

[white valley]

I just joined, this has been going for 3 hours? Sheesh

[zealous wing]

it's been... a while, yeah

[broken carbon]

evis is fine now imo it just needs a few tweaks

i think the overall design is nice

[buoyant maple]

how fast

[white valley]

how fast what

[buoyant maple]

yea 5x its rev atk dmg

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[buoyant maple]

how fast boss kill

[broken carbon]

attack speed buff needs to be undone, buff mk3 H1 (and maybe L1 and L4) stagger to be able to stagger reapers out of shooting, H2 on mk3 and heavies on mk15 need to be able to stagger a crusher without a crit

buff mk3 h2 damage up to mk15 numbers

[white valley]

I dunno haven't measured it, but when I play bully club ogryn in havocs I tend to have the highest boss damage

[rich spindle]

Sorry sir. I’ll be better

[broken carbon]

there’s a couple ways revs could be redone, either rebalance the damage to be evenly distributed between each tick to make damage dealing faster (easier to change)

or if the saw rip would deal enough damage to kill, do it automatically without waiting for any more ticks, (this comes with a buff to rip damage)

[exotic comet]

I love pairing with a psyker when I'm running branx pick, they have reliable hoard clear to fight bosses easily

[buoyant maple]

ok what combo

I can check it rn

[tulip kettle]

you cant talk about real game situations

[broken carbon]

i think the second option would be a lot of fun, if you remember @buoyant maple ur suggestion for unrevved h1 one shotting a dreg rager when it ran out of cleave (our discussion about cleave multipliers on evis)

my second option would accomplish a similar feeling but more universal

[ripe obsidian]

TL;DR is that Psyker's gameplay loop could be more interesting, and rebalancing power while preserving a cohesive class identity is hard.

[broken carbon]

i think it’d be cool,,

[buoyant maple]

do both

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[broken carbon]

they’re contradictory to each other

first option would remove rip damage

and rebalance it out to each tick

[buoyant maple]

if dmg doesn't kill, tick faster and more dmg per tick
if total dmg kills, immediate kill

do both

https://tenor.com/view/peaceemote-peace-peaceful-gif-15091939045954194911

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/doom-doom2016-chainsaw-doom-slayer-doom-guy-gif-19831532

[white valley]

Nani

[white valley]

Either PA>L3>H3 or L1>L2>L3>H3

[white valley]

Sure, but at least we're not zealot

[broken carbon]

i shmee

and

i agree !

[haughty walrus]

yeah I tried it once and i got absolutely obliterated lol haha but I saw some video of this class doing like the flame thing and it looks awesome

[broken carbon]

the issue with evis is that because revs are so situational and often unusable, it requires the base attacks to be much better to make up for that weakness, which led to silly things like that attack speed buff

[ripe obsidian]

We are not. This conversation started with claims of EE being broken, then evolved into questions of how to make peril more interesting than just edging.

[tulip kettle]

yeah thats what this class does well - use a flamer with infinite ammo to burn hordes

[broken carbon]

it should be connected to

nvm

my inner zealot chat is peeking out there

[tulip kettle]

but the down side is you make a mistake and you die

[buoyant maple]

yea it's just mid tier

[haughty walrus]

do you have like a general talent tree guide for this class?

[tulip kettle]

check the pins

[buoyant maple]

~30s for plague ogryn 60k

it's not "bad" but it's nothing impressive either

[tulip kettle]

there are modifications to be made to the builds for high havoc

[white valley]

You taking the right blessings and talents?

[tulip kettle]

generally, the flame thing youve seen doesnt work so well on lower difficulties because there arent enough enemies to make it worse

[broken carbon]

infinite cleave my beloathed

[buoyant maple]

skullcrusher thunderous 25% unyielding on a heavy hitter build

not sure what I'm supposed to add onto that

[white valley]

Got batter?

[buoyant maple]

yea obv

[white valley]

Soften them up and hard knocks?

[buoyant maple]

yea

[white valley]

Are you proccing a stagger?

[buoyant maple]

bull rush for stagger

[haughty walrus]

what does WC? EP and BB means? sorry I am a total newb at this

[tulip kettle]

theres another list of acronyms in the pins

[white valley]

Taunt with the 25% increased damage taken's better, but bull rush should work

[tulip kettle]

but again, inferno is much less fun in lower difficulty than high havoc because there arent enough enemies to make it shine

[white valley]

Inferno's still fine in auric hi-intensity and maelstrom

[tulip kettle]

yeah its "fine"

[brazen compass]

You're fine

[buoyant maple]

taunt is quite a bit better yea

[tulip kettle]

[strong gulch]

Abbreviations in the pins.

WC = warp charge
BB = brain burst or brain rupture

[buoyant maple]

with taunt for 25% dmg it's closer to high

[white valley]

It's how the build I run works, all that damage amplification is juicy

[buoyant maple]

but it's not as high as pickaxe/power sword

[buoyant maple]

cool

[white valley]

Yeah ofc not

[strong gulch]

No worries about not knowing the abbreviations. There's a lot of em.

[white valley]

Pickaxe is going to deal more, but club also increases the damage other players deal to the boss

[haughty walrus]

Hello sir, yep I saw all of it. and much appreciated the guide, but as a new player which of the 2 talent should I follow? on your recommendation with both damage and survivability?

[strong gulch]

How new? Are you level 30?

[haughty walrus]

level 7

[tulip kettle]

before level 30, just run a gun and melee you are comfortable with and the blitz called assail

and lean on assail

staffs suck pre lvl 30

you will get much more benefit from learning how to melee and core mechanics of the game and how the enemies work

[haughty walrus]

oh ok ok. level 30 is the max level right?

[tulip kettle]

yes

though, once you get the force greatsword, use that 🙂 so you get some psyker flavour

[strong gulch]

Then don't worry about those builds. They assume you are level 30 and have access to points and gear that you haven't unlocked yet.

Assail is gonna be your main weapon while leveling; especially at lower level. Psyker doesn't really come together as a class until basically max level. Staff builds in particular need high investment.

[tulip kettle]

and i cant honestly in good conscience recommend any player learn the game as psyker

youre far more likely to die a lot, get frustrated and end up giving up

[strong gulch]

As you get gear from completing missions or you see something in the shop that you want try, go for it to get a taste for things.

But know that some weapons are bad until you have the stats and talents for them.

[haughty walrus]

that's fine. part of learning is dieing and making mistakes haha

I did buy the doggo DLC but I want the mage roleplay of this class haha

[tulip kettle]

no worries 🙂 just try to focus on learning how the game works, how the enemies work, how not to die in melee

the other stuff will come with time

[strong gulch]

You can start with this

[tulip kettle]

maybe consider quck shards instead of the 5% toughness damage reduction

so you can spam more assails

and if you accidently throw one at 100 peril and start to blow up, use your ability

i "think" it still quells some peril

[strong gulch]

Ye

take quick shards

I was thinking about continuing the tree

[haughty walrus]

Thank you

[strong gulch]

It's does, but you can't keep casting.

gotta quell or boom right after saving yourself

[tulip kettle]

but have you considered

that you might be in someone elses dream?

what if you didnt dream any of this and in fact somebody else is dreaming you

[dusk timber]

Just created a psyker

[strong gulch]

If you die in the dream you die for real.

[dusk timber]

Time to actually play this class for once

[tulip kettle]

good luck

come back here with any questions you have

[ripe obsidian]

Come with questions, leave with code snippets and questionable math

[deft stump]

But but but, beekeeper.

[dusk timber]

What about questionable meth

[zealous wing]

damn when was this sold?

[tulip kettle]

we dont do space drugs

[ripe obsidian]

That's more of a Zealot thing

[dusk timber]

Wait fuck i didnt opt out of the campaigb

[tulip kettle]

our beloved is all we need

[zealous wing]

honestly if we get your psyker to damnation campaign theres a penance for level 12

[deft stump]

50k dockets go bye bye if you mess up.

[tulip kettle]

whaaaat?

[ripe obsidian]

Or brain burst yourself and make a new Psyker

[deft stump]

If you press wrong button and didn't skip.

[tulip kettle]

you lose 50k dockets?

[deft stump]

But char creation again lazy.

[zealous wing]

why would 50k dockets go byebye

[strong gulch]

If you have 50k ordos you can spend them to run at the barber to opt out. All of your creation choices will be selected, but at the end you will get a pop up to opt out of the campaign. If you're broke, time to remake them. 😭

[deft stump]

You go to that barber guy and personality wipe for 50k to get the option to skip again.

[tulip kettle]

oh i see you can personality scourge to skip it

didnt know that

[zealous wing]

interesting

can you personality scourge to reget it?

[tulip kettle]

50k dockets is pocket change though lets be real

[zealous wing]

to late gamers ye its nothing

[deft stump]

Not to newer players.

[zealous wing]

early game that was so much

[deft stump]

Not to me.

[tulip kettle]

haha such a magpie

all about the shinies

[deft stump]

Commissary stuff issues.

[zealous wing]

even still tbh anything over 40k i think hard about

[tulip kettle]

i went and bought everything from the commisary the other day for every class because i just never have

im sure i wont wear 99%of it

[deft stump]

I mean, only oggy things since too broke to buy Aqulia stuff.

[zealous wing]

but seriously though, can i scourge to redo the campaign? and, will it reset the difficulty ive earned?

[deft stump]

For oggy.

[deft stump]

Nope. One way only. Opt out.

[zealous wing]

damn

[tulip kettle]

there is a mod that lets you replay the campaign missions any time

[zealous wing]

was hoping to reget the twin fight without leveling up again and curio/weapon hunting

[weak sierra]

I bought every single thing from the commissary too
just because I hit the 25M docket limit
and now I'm at the limit again
but some of the commissary cosmetics are actually super nice

[zealous wing]

oh sad theres a limit!?

:(

[weak sierra]

25 million dockets is the hard limit
but that's enough to buy out the entire commissary and get ideal weapons for all of your operatives

[deft stump]

Broke on dockets. Rolling ripper ex.

[zealous wing]

yeah but eventually you've got everything you could possibly get, and not even seeing number go brr is in the future? big sad

[tulip kettle]

thats when you make a new character and buy the weapons all over again 🙂

[weak sierra]

melkbux still go brr
their limit is 500k
and you can only earn like 15k per week

[ripe obsidian]

Before the crafting rework, I spent easily 20m dockets on weapons

[zealous wing]

yeah but why though

[tulip kettle]

cries in crucis

[ripe obsidian]

Now I just spend millions at a time gambling for low warp resist stuff

[zealous wing]

you must have horrible luck

[tulip kettle]

nah its still quite hard to get low warp res stuff that is maxxed on other stats

[ripe obsidian]

I got a perfect 69/71 Plasma Gun before the crafting rework.

That took a lot of time

[deft stump]

8 chars, about 2k each... but is it worth the sanity cost?

[weak sierra]

before the rework I had by sheer luck of the emperor near-perfect 548/549 rated weapons on most classes

[tulip kettle]

my blazing trauma with 79 dmg was like - okay we're 6 mil deep, this is probably enough

[ripe obsidian]

I have at least one weapon that's 552. Maybe a 553

[tulip kettle]

bloody crafting locks

[strong gulch]

Yeah. Can confirm that you can't opt back into the campaign. Need the mod to knowingly do them.

[tulip kettle]

i keep it for sentimental reasons

[ripe obsidian]

Makes me wish I hadn't sold so much stuff. But back then a bloated inventory caused crashing

[ripe obsidian]

Thammer?

[tulip kettle]

yeah i spent close to 20mil getting a good one

[ripe obsidian]

RIP

[weak sierra]

I mean I guess it's a good way to keep track of progress? If you take the "complete 8 missions" contract you can at least see how much of each class you're playing.

[tulip kettle]

boy was it worth it for the one bops

[ripe obsidian]

I think it was the caxe and plasma gun for me

Oh, and evis

I still have a ton of "almost" evis

[deft stump]

Still though.

[tulip kettle]

a relic of the before times

and another

remember when the bars didnt have numbers?

https://tenor.com/view/you-member-memberberries-south-park-you-remember-remember-that-time-gif-20408216

[strong gulch]

yes and it looks fecked up with no extra numbers

[tulip kettle]

why would you want to know numbers?

vibe based gaming ONLY

[strong gulch]

#psyker-class message

[ripe obsidian]

I need to speedrun 4 more event missions

But one of my mods is causing a CTD on mission start. Urgh.

[strong gulch]

rip

i too need event

[upper sun]

still?

wanna speed run a couple?

[strong gulch]

hope you figure out mods

[upper sun]

its up on uprising

[tulip kettle]

wow

that 512 trauma is pretty pog

[strong gulch]

cramming my sandwich into my face

[pale prairie]

youre just greedy

[upper sun]

i can do like 1-2 speed runs before bed

[pale prairie]

just need one more event

[weak sierra]

not the hero we deserve
but the hero we need

[strong gulch]

Then hadron and brunt fecked me so I went lmb spam for a bit.

[tulip kettle]

oof

[pale prairie]

oh see this is the balanced VB that bath was talking about

[tulip kettle]

what do you mean, YOuRe MEaNt To DUmP BlaST RadDIus

[buoyant maple]

a long time ago

people hated it

lol

[zealous wing]

just saw it on someone

[pale prairie]

The lack of secondary numbers bothers me just as much as it did in the beginning

[strong gulch]

me

[zealous wing]

if it WAS you, and you saw me standing in front of you, i cannot believe you didnt invite me to a game :(

heartbroken

[pale prairie]

the old guard is very reserved

[strong gulch]

oh nooooooooooo

bad bean

my tummy hurts from eating sandwich too fast

[dusk timber]

FIRST FUCKING MISSION

LEVEL ONE CHARACTER

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/pray-for-you-pray-help-sign-of-the-cross-terrified-gif-5927691621299682295

[dusk timber]

FUCKING BEAST OF NURGLE SPAWNS RIGHT AT THE FUCKING START

Worst part is that wasnt even what i died to

It was a fucking burster

[ripe obsidian]

It wants to play.

[median furnace]

I made a new Psyker, lord I forgot how clunky and useless single digit level psykers feel.

[dusk timber]

Ok this time i won

Got enough levels to pick a blitz too

Which one should i take

[pale prairie]

ASSAIL

[weak sierra]

at low levels assail is your friend

[median furnace]

They all have advantages, but assail is really good for low level

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/aladdin-genie-freedom-retirement-gif-13788025

[zinc phoenix]

BB doesn’t have advantages at low level lols

[pale prairie]

EVENT IS OVER

[median furnace]

pretty good horde clear capability as well as targeted distance shots.

[median furnace]

I mean in general, BB with the extra talent that gives you a chance to pop heads on any attack is nice, but for low level assail is the better choice.

[tulip kettle]

you mean you finished it? i still see em on the board

[pale prairie]

I finished it

[tulip kettle]

ah

[pale prairie]

just did my last auric EVENT ugh

[median furnace]

10 days and 8 hours left on the event.

[pale prairie]

the whole people just dropping after they go down combined with 10 min mission timers means sadness

[tulip kettle]

forbidden build makes it ez

[dusk timber]

Will need at least 7 more levels before i can get to the abilities though

[tulip kettle]

but i cant tell you about it

[pale prairie]

for like 4 out of the 10 wins I just went ogryn

[zinc phoenix]

KF is only really useful when you’re going with purg or trauma

[strong gulch]

naur

[tulip kettle]

sounds like more speedruns to me

[zinc phoenix]

I just reroll those, never gonna happen 😂

[strong gulch]

coming back @tulip kettle ?

[pale prairie]

that was impossible this run. I think the team went down like 8 times collectively

[tulip kettle]

ye crash

[strong gulch]

even 1 is asking alot

a lot

[median furnace]

I do a lot of purg and trauma, but also in melee I've seen it do a lot.

[weak sierra]

QUITTERS ARE SHITTERS
if you're not gonna stick around then don't even play the game

[tulip kettle]

do bot deaths count for it?

[zinc phoenix]

Not at low level you don’t

Playing staff at low level is basically asking to suffer

[median furnace]

That's why I said "in general"

not at low level

[zinc phoenix]

Ok but the person was asking for specifically low level advice

[median furnace]

This is the second time I've clarified that.

[zinc phoenix]

So you gave a non sequitur

[median furnace]

Actually I said Assail is best

[pale prairie]

Oh that’s great question. Let me know if you figure it out haha

[pale prairie]

Bruh chromafox said assail is best at low level

We are all saying the same thing

[median furnace]

And also my point was Kinetic Flayer is not only useful on staffs, but on devils claw builds it can be handy.
They won't be low level for that long.

[ripe obsidian]

Also good on EK.

[median furnace]

What we can agree on is that while smite is useful sometimes, it can be a trap for new psyker players.

[zinc phoenix]

Purely because soulfire procs

I do like smite tho, being able to shove bursters from a distance 👌

Or pushing gunners mid dive 🙏

[dusk timber]

Ngl i feel like psyker early game is going to be specially scuffed compared to the other classes

Cause im stuck with this nothing ability until at least level 11

And starting out with the head explode blitz was rough

[graceful arch]

So true

[weak sierra]

That's why it's best to level up the other classes first.

[median furnace]

Yeah it's one of the trickiest classes to get started with, it just feels lacklustre until you have enough skill tree points for a half decent build, and even at higher levels it takes some practice to get the most out of it.

Like Spirit said it's best to level up other classes, I started Vet first, then Ogryn, Zealot after that, and Psyker last, I was most of the way leveled with my other classes when I first tried Psyker.

[zealous wing]

i made the mistake of doing vet to 30, then psyker. now every other class is clunky or slow or just.. boring to me

theres no fun if a single crusher cant kill you with a surprise bonk

[zinc phoenix]

I started psyker in beta because I wanted to suffer

[tulip kettle]

a single -poxwalker-

[zinc phoenix]

And then you know what happened?

[zealous wing]

i've yet to have that happen

bruiser maybe, normal walker not yet

[median furnace]

I saw an Ogryn go down to 3 poxwalkers

It was a sight to behold

[zinc phoenix]

Wow that’s a lot of sucking

I went skull hunting on low difficulty a while back and it was very entertaining

[buoyant maple]

low difficulty is basically "I brought 3 wounds here and I'm gonna use them all"

[zinc phoenix]

Lots of moments that reminded me of the steamroller scene in Austin powers

They’re in no danger but so completely helpless that they die anyway

[dusk timber]

I already have a level 30 zealot and ogryn and a 19 arbites

[median furnace]

Nice, yeah that should do.

[graceful arch]

I got dragged into Mortis trials as a level 1 psyker

Was very not fun.

I did top boss damage at 1 point in the game though

Got like 200k by stacking bleed and fire on the bosses.