psyker-class

[deft stump]

Controller prevents you from unbinding.

[marble crater]

People who have dodge and jump on the same button or key have lost control over their life

[zealous wing]

i had a better one, but this one was nice when i was outside all the time

[deft stump]

So you have no choice but to suck it...

Or run spear and board.

[near gale]

I have become so used to using space to vault over fences that it legit fucks me over hard in darktide by unbinding jump from dodge

[zealous wing]

ive been thinking of making jump left alt, but it bothers me

[deft stump]

And block everything.

[marble crater]

Unhinged behavior

[zealous wing]

its w+space currently for jump

[near gale]

I know, changing something that you have 2.3k hours of muscle memory behind is hard

[acoustic jacinth]

It's what i use, and tbh it never bothers me but maybe depends on what you're used to or how you play

[near gale]

it bothers me a lot as well, but, I have to do it in vt2 🙁

[acoustic jacinth]

Rarely find myself vaulting, and i'm only jumping for marty skull challenges

[brazen compass]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/249

[deft stump]

Is just VT2 controller controls sucking.

[zealous wing]

i still jump a bit when i dont wanna when im kiting, but its fine tbh

[hearty wolf]

Jump

On space

is criminal

[near gale]

I jump for getting over barrel fire, fire trails, nurgle vomit, and railings

[zealous wing]

and we're convicts, so

[hearty wolf]

If it kills you once, it's not worth having it binded like that

and it has/will

[acoustic jacinth]

Trve

[zealous wing]

i have yet to die for it tbh

ive been good at movement in the games ive played so far

[near gale]

I would unbind it, but, the fact I use vaulting somewhat frequently it hard fucks me over to not have vault on space x.x

[zealous wing]

its at the point where a friend thinks id be good at elden ring with no experience

[acoustic jacinth]

Alt is pretty shrimple, you just slide your thumb for a split second

[zealous wing]

muscle memory mainly

300hrs of space being dodge and w space being jump works fine for now

[acoustic jacinth]

I'm ngl i view souls games differently. It ain't about your movement, it's about the boss. "Getting gud" at dark souls is literally just pattern recognition and a memory check, it's like a rythm game

[zealous wing]

i wont know til i try tbh :p

[deft stump]

Timing as well.

[zealous wing]

one day perhaps

[acoustic jacinth]

Yeh course

Try

Start with ds1 for that troo dark souls experience

Start with ds3 for the all rounder

And don't listen to the ds2 hate

[deft stump]

I have, just sucks having to unplug from the internet to play.

[acoustic jacinth]

Ah i meant hexis

But uh

[deft stump]

Invaded by cheaters isn't fun.

[acoustic jacinth]

You mean invader issues?

Ahhh

[deft stump]

I hate PvP already.

[near gale]

if I didn't have so much muscle memory on what I currently use I'd do this, for darktide

With my focus problems any changes can massively fuck me up

[acoustic jacinth]

It's been some time, ds3 did have offline mode iirc, and also a "blue sentinel" mod, which filters out chesters VERY well

Don't remember ds2 and ds1 though

Need to do more runs there

[deft stump]

Played 1/2. I either stay hollow, which sucks, or unplug.

[near gale]

It doesn't help that I use space to jump in pretty much any game that I use mouse and keyboard on

[acoustic jacinth]

I definitely understand that, but i believe if you do really want to make the change, it is one of those cases where you suck up to it and accept the incoming deaths and fails for quite some time

[near gale]

If it fucked me up more than maybe once every 100-400 matches I would change it

[deft stump]

I mean ppl do it when they swapped presets so... heh.

[acoustic jacinth]

Ah yeah, true that for the first 2

[near gale]

but changing jump off of dodge fucked me up multiple times in every mission I tried it on

[acoustic jacinth]

Oh nah from my experience changing long time binds will kill you repeatedly for days

But maybe worth it

Your judgement there

[near gale]

For vt2 I had to as the host, for darktide I almost never jump when I don't want to

[deft stump]

Need time to get used to it.

[acoustic jacinth]

I see

[deft stump]

To be fair, jump barely works when you have 600 ping.

[near gale]

even on like 30 ping it almost never happens even when I am spamming the space bar

[deft stump]

I just don't jump till 3 secs later, lul

[near gale]

[deft stump]

Assuming hitting A and nothing else.

[zealous wing]

im thinking now it mightve been smart to make dodge one of my mouse keys early on like i do with sprint

too late now ofc

the fact we cant have two settings for the same function hurts tbh

it would make transitions far easier

[near gale]

now if jump and dodge being on the key fucked me up somewhat consistently I'd make the effort to change the muscle memory

but even in my 12 hour sessions through a night with no sleep it isn't happening

[zealous wing]

thats why i changed it from just space to w+space, and its worked well enough

[visual phoenix]

There is a mod that helps you stop accidentental jump wile dodging

Helps me doe

[near gale]

but I almost never accidentally jump while dodging :\

at the most 1 time per 5 or 6 heavy gaming sessions :\

[visual phoenix]

Sry i thought that was the thing you talked about

[near gale]

And that is overstating how much it happens lol

[visual phoenix]

Joby job makes my head worky bad

[near gale]

It's okay. The other people were talking about it, I was saying if it was a somewhat consistent issue I'd try to fix it

It just isn't consistent

in vt2, tho, with 0 ping? Consistent af

[solar sparrow]

hey guys, help me understand how blaze away works

[near gale]

the longer you are holding down the fire button, the higher the stacks get

[solar sparrow]

so I can do a half charge to get max stacks, then if I constantly send with the minimum amount of charges do the max stacks persist?

[near gale]

If you stop shooting you lose all stacks

[solar sparrow]

I see

[near gale]

If you don't stop shooting it stacks to the cap

[solar sparrow]

so optimal way to do it is try to charge as much as you can all the time

I swear to god I read about there being some tech

[solar sparrow]

like this

[near gale]

Well idk how it works very well with staffs

[hearty wolf]

No

[solar sparrow]

I'm talking about inferno staff

[hearty wolf]

In theory, that would make sense and give blaze away value

[near gale]

I think it just gains stacks as you are firing the spell

[hearty wolf]

But that's time you're not spending shooting so you can want to try and get like a 30% charge

[near gale]

doesn't it stick for a little bit if you charge fast enough on the purgatus?

[hearty wolf]

Yeah if you're doing quick charges, you're still getting stacks

[solar sparrow]

that's what I mean

[near gale]

I was talking guns, my bad

I forgot I was in psyker chat x.x

[solar sparrow]

so charge up halfway to get max blaze away stacks

then quick charges should keep blaze away stacks going

[hearty wolf]

This yes

[hearty wolf]

But this no

As far as I understand

[solar sparrow]

until you need to quell, at which point you have to charge up to halfway to get blaze away stacks back

[hearty wolf]

Because you're still getting stacks with small charges

[near gale]

https://tenor.com/view/kung-fu-panda3-charge-po-eager-lets-go-gif-4968299

[hearty wolf]

Because yea you can get max stacks at the beginning but you can also just get it via min charges

[solar sparrow]

so what's the point of charging up the staff if you can just keep spamming it 😛

[hearty wolf]

The situation you want to fully charge is pre charge sliding around a corner or on engage

[solar sparrow]

right

[hearty wolf]

Great question

There's no point reee

[near gale]

to disappoint good players

[hearty wolf]

Although it does make your peril management a lot more

Simple

It's less erratic

[solar sparrow]

ı see I see

ty for the clarification

[deft stump]

But gunker exist...

[near gale]

Shhhh

Stop defending me

I'm defencelesss

[deft stump]

Just until death it.

[near gale]

[deft stump]

How do you think I run around with 55 toughness?

[near gale]

Because of hopes and dreams?

[deft stump]

Other than that.

[hearty wolf]

A 17% toughness curio

Gives me 10 toughness on havoc

[deft stump]

I run 2x hp 1x stam. 3x 5% hp.

[hearty wolf]

Mm. What other substats then?

[deft stump]

CDR and Stam regen.

[hearty wolf]

I'm 1 of each with Hp, toughness and combat ability

O ic

[deft stump]

This is zealot btw.

[hearty wolf]

Oo

Okay that makes more sense

I guess I'll run a 40 now and win

Does anyone else want to win

[white valley]

that's a lot of hp

[deft stump]

Auric and below 314/H40 245

[hearty wolf]

Whenever I see auric health numbers

It's just funny

[deft stump]

I can also dump the Stam regen for corruption resist.

Which is funni niche. You won't be at 1hp full corruption then.

If overheaded.

[buoyant mantle]

ok since when obscurus FS is this good

what the fuck

[deft stump]

Since it got a rework and buff

[icy breach]

https://streamable.com/899t2e

😂 👌

[hearty wolf]

wtf

[icy breach]

Just me being devious

[hearty wolf]

tossic

[icy breach]

Cope

[zealous wing]

bro let the intrusive thoughts win

[gray juniper]

Be honest. What did the other guy say?

[zealous wing]

tbh nothing needed to be said. some dude was shooting every barrel i walked past

probably thought "psyker squishy" and when i didnt die after like the 4th or 5th barrel explosion he stopped

couldve been trying to get me to leave but, meh. it was funny

[marble crater]

Hopefully blocked them

[radiant frigate]

toksik

[zealous wing]

i wouldve but i forget blocking is a thing, and by the time i remember i can, i forgot the name

[hearty wolf]

ex deeeeeee

[opaque pollen]

hacker

jk

man i really like the mechanics but i dont like the map sizes right now

[near gale]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-gun-kermit-gun-gif-16355306064126846866

[ornate hamlet]

I del it,feels like cod on a big map(big map for fod,not for bf)

[prime elk]

yeah

[ornate hamlet]

I cancelled my pre-order

[opaque pollen]

is perilous combustion decent with smite?

[ornate hamlet]

[opaque pollen]

new psyker here ;-;

[prime elk]

you always take PC with staffker, which is what i assume you're running if you're using smite

[opaque pollen]

😐

[ornate hamlet]

I am new psyker here too

[opaque pollen]

well i am using a staff but the explodey aoe one. the first one you'd unlock

and a force sword

because they feel and look awesome

[jovial juniper]

Bro thinks he's starset

[ornate hamlet]

Great sword or smoll one?

[opaque pollen]

smoll one, only level 7 :C

i want big one

big one sound cool and look cool

[ornate hamlet]

I actually like the smoll one

[opaque pollen]

smol one is neat

[prime elk]

oh you can forget everything

just use assail until you're level 30

then you can try staves

[opaque pollen]

i still dont understand the block and push mechanic. it looks like its functionally the same w a force sword but when i block it looks like i can dodge bullets

i would also like to try assail

[prime elk]

force sword push attack is stronger and has range

the block only blocks bullets if you have the deflector blessing

[prime elk]

if you want to level up quickly, that'll be your main wep until 30

[opaque pollen]

yeah i'll try assail this time around

[prime elk]

assail's busted good

[near gale]

Just remember to quell so you don't blow up

[prime elk]

you can use it as your main weapon

[ornate hamlet]

If i have deflector blessings,can i block both range and melee at the same time?

[opaque pollen]

im really good at the micromanagement

i was switching between all my weapons and smite all the time without blowing up so i think im doin alright

[prime elk]

yeah but not snipers

[near gale]

That would mean you're a step up from randos already

[opaque pollen]

well, i use the staff autos on shooters, i stun large groups with smite, and for any melee enemies i use force sword heavies

the good heavies from the mark with more heavy dmg

[near gale]

I was good at managing peril and avoiding blowing up cause I played battle wizard a fuck ton in vermintide 2(teleporting up dead drops is so much fun for me)

[opaque pollen]

i kinda wanna play vermintide but the playercount is a LOT lower

;c

[near gale]

Yeah, that's the sad thing... and there's 3 seperate modes

chaos wastes, pvp, and normal maps(and the fortunes of war)

[jovial juniper]

Pyromancer

I wish peril could stay around for longer

[near gale]

I hate pyromancer, I hate edging peril/heat

[jovial juniper]

I love pyromancer, I love being at high peril

🗣️

[radiant frigate]

not liking pyromancer is not as bad as not liking sword psyker

[jovial juniper]

Woohoo
Here comes the CRIT flail

https://tenor.com/view/flail-dog-flail-dog-cute-playing-gif-16571698

[near gale]

Meanwhile sometimes I end up out of bounds cause of firewalk shenanigans

why? cuz I can

Mostly to see if I can get up dead drops with it <.<

[radiant frigate]

pyromancer is still the closest thing to sword psyker

(barring elf)

[jovial juniper]

Laugh is contagious isn't it 🗣️

[summer prairie]

Another warp battery run

[jovial juniper]

Is your battery warped?

Throw it away, they are not supposed to be warped

https://tenor.com/view/styropyro-car-battery-throwing-car-batteries-throwing-car-batteries-in-the-ocean-charging-gif-377555146102245675

[hearty wolf]

I just hate liberation peak

Think the other maps are fine

[ripe obsidian]

It's just as bad.

Worse, maybe

One must embrace the flame.

[ripe obsidian]

Was this with WF or not WF? Also, I am a little amazed you have stacks 75% of the time

I am usually around 50%

[radiant frigate]

counterpoint: no force greatsword on pyromancer

[opaque pollen]

i have unlocked the blaze greatsword

i will now pretend to be an anime character

nvm i unlocked the other staff

[zealous wing]

which other staff

theres 4

[opaque pollen]

electrokinetic

which i assume is just smite

[zealous wing]

noice

well, yes, but actually no

[prime elk]

it's like the opposite of smite

[opaque pollen]

is it wise to use it with smite

[prime elk]

high single target da damage

[opaque pollen]

OOOOO

[prime elk]

smite's low damage, big CC

[opaque pollen]

well i just saw "staff bound smite" and went oh lame

[jovial juniper]

Yes

[prime elk]

palpatine build

[zealous wing]

its techncially 2 target but the second takes a lil less dmg

[opaque pollen]

yes

you understnad

[zealous wing]

well, a lot less

[opaque pollen]

woo

[zealous wing]

but, it helps control a crowd of crushers, which is what i used it for during the event

[opaque pollen]

i am now going to make sure nothing moves and everything dies and all the teammates will be protected by the emperors bubble

[prime elk]

EK is a fun staff

[opaque pollen]

i will call this build, the dirty dan

https://tenor.com/view/im-dirty-dan-gif-11578342

the greatsword looks....

beauitful

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-octo-tentacles-beautiful-sculpture-gif-8846990

[proper osprey]

Wait till he finds out about melee psyker

[opaque pollen]

Does it involve.... smite?

[proper osprey]

Nay

Smite some ass

[opaque pollen]

head blow up ability

[proper osprey]

Nay

Only for staffs

[slow anvil]

Nah smite is fun if you build it right

[radiant frigate]

mostly assail

[opaque pollen]

assail... melee?

[radiant frigate]

i do not think smite is ever fun

[opaque pollen]

i use smite to help team not get overwhelmed by hordes

[slow anvil]

That and sliding through stun locked hoards is always fun as they all go pop

[proper osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/terrible-melee-psyker-build

Ranged can be revlover, laspistol, vb, or ek

[radiant frigate]

slice them instead

[proper osprey]

Melee options are stuff that loves finesse and crit

[opaque pollen]

ooo

and fair

[proper osprey]

So force swords, force greatswords, tac axe, dueling sword, dcalw, knife

[opaque pollen]

mmm

i like this

[proper osprey]

ainz have you ever tried the combat axe with melee psyker? How is it?

Was gonna ask about that I believe that’s the one weapon I haven’t tried on him

[near gale]

You could trying @'ing them so they can see the message later if they aren't on now >.>

[radiant frigate]

caxe? it ok

[proper osprey]

I @ people like 5 times a day i don’t wanna spam it

[near gale]

how is ainz supposed to see it if they don't get on for 6 more hours?

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-six-dancing-number-six-gif-25924634

[ripe obsidian]

This is a notable flaw. You are right.

[proper osprey]

It’ll come to him in a dream

[ripe obsidian]

Hello

[near gale]

I got to use it for 2 reasons lol

[radiant frigate]

scythe exists but it just doesn't hit the same

[near gale]

https://tenor.com/view/mowing-harvest-scythe-farming-lawn-mowing-gif-15378398

It is a farmer's tool after all

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[near gale]

How goes it?

besides still being 6-less in the code

[ripe obsidian]

I still need to test Warp Battery over Wildfire to see if I can reliably reach 6 stacks without Wildfire to feed IFR

[near gale]

btw your code = 50

[ripe obsidian]

This is powerful information

[near gale]

I didn't expect it to be a multiple of 10

[ripe obsidian]

I never got the Necromancer DLC, so I am inexperienced

[near gale]

I got it, so I could finish getting the chaos wastes challenges done(I had all done before necro was released)

[ripe obsidian]

I wasn't playing VT2 much at that point. Had kinda burnt out on it, and none of my friends played

[near gale]

Happens

I blame Ainz

[solar sparrow]

is vt2 alive and well in 2025? kinda wanna give it a whirl after darktide

[near gale]

It is there, I can tell you champion chaos wastes are pretty dead

legend is somewhat alive tho

[ripe obsidian]

I also didn't have the Cataclysm DLC because beastmen. >:(

[near gale]

(I jest)

rampart relentless minotaurs...

[jovial juniper]

Didn't they make cata free?

After I payed for it

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

[near gale]

afaik no

@jovial juniper

You can only play it if someone has the dlc <.<

[jovial juniper]

Oh aight

[summer prairie]

It was with WF + battery

I don't know how you only have 50% uptime, I'm always around 75-80%

in havoc

[plucky flax]

15% 6 stacks? Kinda noob.

[summer prairie]

yes

[plucky flax]

Is it even worth it if you don't get extra damage at least 50% of the time?

[summer prairie]

I doubt it, though it's more for the cdr which is harder to measure

but even then it's only 3.5s

[plucky flax]

Yeah which is good for creeping flames.

With bubble you don't need to spam it that much.

[summer prairie]

with bubble you can sit on 6 stacks more if you want

[plucky flax]

I tried to play with no mods. Bubble knight swap light light is impossible to do without guaranteed weapon swap mod.

The vanilla game swapping system is so weird.

[summer prairie]

post a no mod run on youtube

[verbal thistle]

mission impossible

I've seen agent's game

[plucky flax]

I'm trying but teammates are so bad.

They chose the shittiest place to fight with blight spread.

[mighty agate]

wtf, i think that it's my fault and get gud

[plucky flax]

Look at that clean UI.

Anyway 2 bosses and they went down there to fight then of course more enemies spawn and they die cos of corruption hell.

Then I failed to clutch cos bad and no mods.

Maybe I am deaf.

Spider sense is actually made for me.

[summer prairie]

I don't think spidey sense even helps if you've good headphones

[plucky flax]

Also I couldn't hear this burster until he's right on me.

[mighty agate]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-menacingly-spongebob-standing-there-gif-19452999

[strong gulch]

bombers seems to be extra bad with sounds cues lately

It's just been suddenly bomb exploding at feet

[plucky flax]

Bruh in the moment I was focussing on the mutie. Couldn't see that through the block visual effect at all. Xd

So I am both blind and deaf.

Spider sense needed.

[mighty agate]

I understand, many thing i see only on replays

[strong gulch]

The block animation on force melees is so ass.

[opaque pollen]

but

[strong gulch]

If visuals are gonna be that obstructed, we should get something in return.

[plucky flax]

I will try harder for no mods run.

I lied I do use scoreboard as the only mod.

Not having numeric UI is the worst.

Or mod to check team's loadout.

I'm just accepting random guys with 'clearance 40'.

Havoc 40 ready.

[summer prairie]

ok that's the real hard mode

better join someone else

[plucky flax]

The vet and the arby in that round did 300k damage in 22 mins (when we wiped)

Kind of useless.

Vet was on stance.

[mighty agate]

Mods feels odd for me so i don't use them
And sometimes i see clips from people and everything has numbers, bleh

[plucky flax]

Arby was on shield and something.

Vet was on stance and the single shot headhunter autogun.

[near gale]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-math-math-cat-numbers-cat-funny-gif-13385485103134761656

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1398707424759910410/Desktop_2025.07.26_-_17.43.11.07.mp4?ex=68a3584c&is=68a206cc&hm=2352c64ffd13003f5ee2c79e2598c2cb76a7f2d060949cb8aef80a7f96fafff3&

@summer prairie

Tomorrow you make party for me and find good players.

[mighty agate]

https://tenor.com/view/scorsese-absolute-cinema-meme-gif-9523375912274476782

[plucky flax]

So I can win and say "unsanctioned can play with no mods"

[summer prairie]

you've to play something hard, not purg

[plucky flax]

I failed bubble knight cos swap combo is impossible.

Kept blowing up.

There's this weird shit delay in vanilla game.

[summer prairie]

don't swap

[plucky flax]

[summer prairie]

I think it's because some actions can't be queued too quickly, due to chain_time

[plucky flax]

Even putting down bubble has a delay.

One of the worst thing is >yes >no spam unavailable

[marble crater]

Sad times, my boy UnsanctionedPsyker is washed

[plucky flax]

What 3 months no update do to a mf.

[ripe obsidian]

Based on Syllogism's screenshots, Warp Battery doesn't change the average amount of stacks meaningfully.

I got 2.99 average last night or something

So the average damage output is probably similar, less Wildfire. Not sure about the overall CDR and if that benefits. 2 more stacks is like 3.5 seconds of CDR on Shriek

[visual phoenix]

[ripe obsidian]

How are you folks hitting 70% or higher uptime on Warp Siphon when I am below 50%...?

Is my mod not reading correctly? Am I shrieking too much?

[visual phoenix]

kills
firestaff spin2win

[opaque pollen]

so i can create a melee build for the greatsword?

[ripe obsidian]

I mean

[opaque pollen]

mmm

MMM

MMMM

[zealous wing]

if you're good enough you can probably make a build for anything

[opaque pollen]

MMMMMMMMMM

[ripe obsidian]

This had 48.2% uptime

[strong gulch]

Right side of the tree is more for melee and gun.
#psyker-class message

[opaque pollen]

eh i dont want gun

just big sword with cool stuff

[visual phoenix]

dont mind my dmg taken
tryin no emp evasion shenanigans

[ripe obsidian]

I had more kills. =|

[visual phoenix]

il go another game and il send more

[opaque pollen]

crit melee lets go im going to start winning

[ripe obsidian]

This is my buff board for that one

[plucky flax]

Do you have latest version?

[hearty wolf]

don't use buffs

they're too confusing

[visual phoenix]

wow it shows time

how can i do that

[ripe obsidian]

Mod options

[visual phoenix]

tyty

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh I think my mod might not be working correctly

Because my Mettle is half of yours

But my Nexus is higher

And Perfect Timing is similar between us

[jovial juniper]

Talentless maxxing

[visual phoenix]

possible a wrong numbers?
i have like double the time for mettle

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I think mine is off

It could be interacting weirdly with Better Buff Management

[visual phoenix]

i have it as well

[ripe obsidian]

I don't know, then. I struggle to believe my Mettle uptime is barely higher than EE

When both proc the same way, but one is 3x longer than the other

[strong gulch]

I can't even get the mod to not crash my game, and there is a note about Uptime having issues with better buff management.

so idk

[ripe obsidian]

Wait wtf. Mettle says uptime of 9:57 and combat uptime of 10:01 for me. Something is definitely fishy

My guess is that having the default buff bar and the Better Buff Management bar is confusing it

[summer prairie]

finally looking at some of my arbites Uptime stats, +15% damage on dodge uptime is very bad for me, too much staggering I guess

[hardy jewel]

Whats meta nowadays

Pyro bubble is boring

[rigid iris]

what version of laspistol does gunker like

[brazen compass]

It's all good if you know how to use it

[hardy jewel]

I just need a good talent skill tree

[ripe obsidian]

There are builds in the pins

[near gale]

https://tenor.com/view/tack-goofball-red-tack-sharp-tip-gif-14754216

[weary idol]

pyro bybble

[brave drift]

does Precognition only trigger after you get to 100% peril?

seems I only get the Scrier stacks when I get to 100%

[weary idol]

bug with the default buff bar

[ripe obsidian]

"While overcharging, killing enemies on weakspot hits with melee or ranged attacks generates 1 additional stack; can proc multiple times per attack when cleaving.

Additionally to Scrier's Gaze's base 1% damage increase per stack, also grants a finesse damage bonus of 1% per stack boosting crit and weakspot damage; stacks additively with other finesse damage buffs. These stacking damage buffs are active immediately during the overcharging phase and linger for 10s after overcharging has ended."

[weary idol]

or well "bug"

[brave drift]

oh weird it works normally in psykhanium

[weary idol]

scriers builds stacks and benefits from them while it's active

they just usually get hidden on the buff bar because the buff bar without mods is limited to t e n visible buffs

in a real match you have the 3 other auras, coherency, and other various buffs your teammates are giving you

[summer prairie]

non-visible buffs also limit how many buffs it can display

[weary idol]

This can be fixed with mods on PC, or by buying the game on PC so you can mod it if you're on console

[brave drift]

shouldnt be a problem since I got the buff mod.

I have these near my crosshair so it shouldnt be stacked.

woops I took one out.

[opaque pollen]

just played melee psyker

[summer prairie]

There's a chance it will finally get fixed in the next hotfix, probably not due summer

[opaque pollen]

will be doing this a lot more forever now

[brave drift]

i do sometimes but using the duelling sword needs a lot of clicking.

[opaque pollen]

i was using the greatsword

MMMM

[brave drift]

the greatsword is nice and has finesse

[opaque pollen]

yeeeess

[brave drift]

weird it doesnt seem to work in a match. it the psykhanium it does though

[weary idol]

I think that's gonna be a from me dog

[brave drift]

seems like it's been a bug for at least a year now.

well that's certainly a Fatshark moment.

[icy breach]

Big mistake

[proper osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/sam-hyde-sam-hyde-kneel-i-kneel-gif-4692336461936736685

Melee psyker >

[opaque pollen]

admittedly the head explosion ability looks really fun i just dont know how to incorperate it

[radiant frigate]

they grow up so fast 🥹

[opaque pollen]

😄

[proper osprey]

Unyielding flak/elites infernus dumdum

[opaque pollen]

something about charging a fully activated heavy and clearing an entire ethnic background

[proper osprey]

It’s really good if you’re focusing staffs

Mainly for voidblast or inferno

[opaque pollen]

i'll have to try that but right now im carrying with little effort

[proper osprey]

Welcome to melee psyker

[opaque pollen]

😐

W GAINS

[proper osprey]

It’s pretty crazy how much dps you dish out

And how assail cancels most threats

[opaque pollen]

well im doin that stack thing, so i use assail to get dmg stacks for sword, then use sword for assail

[proper osprey]

Mainly trash shooters and ragers

[radiant frigate]

obligatory: listen to music you enjoy while playing melee psyker

[opaque pollen]

i swear i saw a talent that reduces peril when critting or something

LMAO sabaton or something

[radiant frigate]

get into the flow

never look back

[opaque pollen]

put on like

bleach ichigo ost

[marble crater]

Raphael fight OST

[opaque pollen]

HAH

[radiant frigate]

HELL, HELL, HELL HAS IT'S LAWS

[opaque pollen]

i remember when i first played like a year ago, i made an ogryn named ralph and everytime i killed an elite or boss, i typed in IM GONNA WRECK IT in chat

[proper osprey]

@opaque pollen fun fact zealot is very crit focused and gets 50 finesse damage for 3 seconds when he dodges, psyker walks around with more finesses than zealot does for 10+ seconds

[opaque pollen]

idk what finesse damage is but it sounds really important - former veteran player

[marble crater]

Crit and weakspot damage

[proper osprey]

Weakspot and crit damage

[mighty agate]

https://tenor.com/view/ichigo-vizard-ichigo-vizard-hollow-shinigami-gif-26936255

Psyker playing with greatsword be like:

[opaque pollen]

well right now im just trynna find some crit chance bc i need to crit more

[hearty wolf]

I wish I got to hear it

[opaque pollen]

100% how it felt

[hearty wolf]

Unfortunately, I did not

[proper osprey]

Tac axe

[opaque pollen]

that isnt a greatsword, fyre.

[proper osprey]

Tbh you can play the fgs with shred and ripoest

It’s what I do now

[opaque pollen]

mmmm

[marble crater]

Why not?

[hearty wolf]

Because my friend played open hand monk

[marble crater]

Did that too, I was surprised how good the song was

[hearty wolf]

The fight lasted about 4 seconds

[proper osprey]

If you’re following the build I sent you should have a base of 37.5 crit chance

[hearty wolf]

And that's when I quit my playthrough of bg3 xd

[marble crater]

Bad friend

[proper osprey]

That’s with gaze active

Shred and ripoest both give you 20 each

[opaque pollen]

im here to cosplay as ichigo

nothing more.

except maybe a bit more

[mighty agate]

Psyker is a ichigo with mask
The gaze = putting mask on

[opaque pollen]

i do a bit of scrying

[strong gulch]

IDK if it's different now, but when my partner and I played BG3. Monk was ridiculous. My partner killed everything when something was otherwise a trickier or harder fight.

No more monk after that.

[marble crater]

Yeah that doesn't sound fun

[strong gulch]

Unless One of us just wanted to vibe or be mostly checked out.

[proper osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1079236027690012773/1402109808349417472/pour_me_some_bleach_son.mp4?ex=68a332c4&is=68a1e144&hm=5602f5679d68c9849065b662bec2c557d9b37a25411adb4b51c8c95c465432db&

[mighty agate]

Same BUT
As monk with electric gauntlets i almost solo the iron golem in underdark

[marble crater]

That doesn't even sound fun if you are playing alone

[proper osprey]

@opaque pollen you can get mods that let you replace certain sounds

[opaque pollen]

the only cursed thing i approve of

[strong gulch]

one punch man simulator

[opaque pollen]

i need it to be an uwu sound

[mighty agate]

Change crashers two handed attack to UwU

https://tenor.com/view/uwu-smug-anime-stare-gif-17603924

[opaque pollen]

now that we're on the topic of bleach

can we just all agree that it has one of the best OST's

like all of it

the score

MMM

[marble crater]

We can

[opaque pollen]

😭

time go rewatch all of bleach

[mighty agate]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-grenade-truth-nuke-gif-6248133608324632914

[marble crater]

Time to wait for next season

[opaque pollen]

they didnt finish the blood war arc yet?

[marble crater]

No, last season next year, probably

[opaque pollen]

i finished it via manga but i kinda wanna watch the anime

[mighty agate]

XD

Im gonna watch blood war arc only when fully released

[opaque pollen]

on

god

[marble crater]

You should, plenty of good changes and additions compared to the manga

[opaque pollen]

wait i can use this whole entire year to watch all 360 episodes of original bleach!

the ending of the manga felt rushed ah ah

like i didnt just spend 356 episodes, and like 20 chapters of manga to end on how it did

[marble crater]

Anime fixed that so far

[mighty agate]

I think autor was sick (or he is still) so he want to end manga before something worse happend

[opaque pollen]

that is the most viable and understanding thing

now i feel horrible

:L

[pale prairie]

We’re they abusing the hill giant strength elixir + tavern brawler feat? Cause that’s pretty common. It’s much less crazy when you play without the elixir cause of the MAD

[strong gulch]

no elixir

monk wasn't really throwing anything. we did throw a lot otherwise tho

[pale prairie]

It features in a ton of “min max” builds like hexadin and sorcadin and bladesinger/paladin/sorcerer

[ripe obsidian]

@visual phoenix Yeah, turned off better buff management, numbers are very different

Not for EE, but for Mettle and Warp Siphon

[pale prairie]

Tavern brawler lets you add your strength score to unarmed attacks and the hill giant elixir bumps your strength score to 20 for free until a long rest

[mighty agate]

Monk is kinda meh like the ranger in bg3

[strong gulch]

Gotcha. Didn't use those on the monk

[pale prairie]

So it effectively doubles your damage. Add that to how many unarmed attacks and you can easily get like 40-50 before adding in extra items like kushigo set stuff that boosts your unarmed again by your wisdom score.

[visual phoenix]

math mathing...

yes yes

[pale prairie]

WTF

Hahaha

[visual phoenix]

H40 trios are so fun ngl

[visual phoenix]

Do more
25min minimum lets say

[ripe obsidian]

We did not win

This is what I got

Really not much time spent over 4 stacks

[visual phoenix]

But the vent usage diff, hm?

[plucky flax]

Clearly haven't seen unsanctioned.

[marble crater]

I heard UnsanctionedPsyker fell off

[brazen compass]

@deft stump you wanna explain?

[pale prairie]

Yeah I heard the mods stopped working….

[strong gulch]

#psyker-class message

[brazen compass]

But she's UnsanctionedPsyker

[strong gulch]

Ye. Knew where a video of Unsanctioned falling off was. Fell right into a ditch.

[brazen compass]

[plucky flax]

[ripe obsidian]

@visual phoenix

2m damage in a 33 minute game

I did get blown up by a burster once and went down, though

I am definitely noticing somewhat slower Warp Charge gain as compared with Wildfire

I need to do a mission with Wildfire and no better buff mod in order to get a more accurate picture

Warp Battery also got a big boost because there were loads of elites on that map

[gray juniper]

Such a dub for perfect timing and mettle though. I’m never going with them again seeing this potential uptime

[mighty agate]

I did already 100 missions on ogryn

https://tenor.com/view/i-miss-my-wife-omni-man-invincible-i-think-i-miss-my-wife-invincible-season-2-gif-12138794142357141535

my psyker*

[ripe obsidian]

Going with or without?

[gray juniper]

Without *

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, they're quite good if you're critting

I am pleased with my Warp Nexus uptime

[gray juniper]

What ability were you using? Did you say vent?

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, venting shriek

[gray juniper]

Are you an immediate venter or an opportunistic/hold the vent type?

[earnest cobalt]

Whats the difference?

[ripe obsidian]

It depends on the situation. I often just spew it out when it's up

[ripe obsidian]

Venting Shriek can surpass the Inferno soulblaze soft cap

If you use it when enemies are fully stacked

[gray juniper]

Literally blasting it soon as the countdown is up or not

[ripe obsidian]

Using it earlier means faster damage scale up, using it later means higher damage per tick

[earnest cobalt]

Which one is better?

[ripe obsidian]

Ideally, overstacking.

In reality, it varies

Overstacking on a basic horde doesn't matter

Overstacking on, like, maulers or bulwarks does

[gray juniper]

I think that explains the uptime for warp siphon and it’s perfectly fine that the total uptime at max stacks was what it was

[ripe obsidian]

I just don't know if it's worth more than Wildfire

The damage increase is meaningless, because it's barely up. It's entirely the 3.5 seconds of potential extra CDR on Shriek

[gray juniper]

It’s a anecdotal, single game, but could definitely still point to this for warp battery absolutists

[strong gulch]

Shriek, assuming creeping flames, scales with peril. At high peril (85%) you get max SB stacks (6) that can be applies to other sources and the push also scales with peril.

You can stack it on top of inferno, blazing spirit, PC, wildfire. You can wait until there's a horde or group of enemies etc.

[ripe obsidian]

I need to do a Wildfire game with the mod fixed.

My previous Wildfire buff uptimes were wrong

[strong gulch]

You can use it to undog teammates etc. So when to use it is variable.

[pale prairie]

Get that W

[strong gulch]

But just holding onto shriek is a DPS loss.

[pale prairie]

Should have waited to get dogged when shriek was up

[ripe obsidian]

The game I am loading into is not purple, so I anticipate lower damage overall if we win.

The last game was purple, so damage farm

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/data-limite-natureza-chico-xavier-previsoes-limited-gif-14631119

[gray juniper]

If you’re average up time is 3.5 seconds in a game with a large share of the yellow numbers, it’s not looking good in argument for warp battery fans

[ripe obsidian]

Well, the 2 extra stacks is 15% CDR, which is like 3.5 seconds

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/if-those-kids-could-read-gif-5323175107042953208

[pale prairie]

The big thing is I doubt the full CDR benefit is happening more than a handful of times

Maybe like one-3 extra shrieks per game

[gray juniper]

Ofc. That sounds great on paper but it looks like this shows the down time is just not long enough to out perform fast venting

I usually take empyrean empowerment myself, but I wouldn’t argue with the data

[ripe obsidian]

Blew myself up and made us lose this game, ha

It feels like I gain stacks back faster with Wildfire

But I need more data

If Warp Battery appears to be at or above 4 stacks for the same amount of time, then it's maybe better.

It does mean fewer KF pops on random specials and less scaling

Might need to reinstall PowerDI to check how often I am Shrieking

[pale prairie]

Definitely need more data since this match was so short

[ripe obsidian]

This match will not be it. I am playing very poorly

[pale prairie]

That’s the pull of this game is that every match is its own thing

[vivid lark]

Hi y'all
I'm enjoying the psyker a lot
I wanna try something with Assail, Greatsword, Scrier's, and some kinda gun, but I'm not sure if I want a chunky gun like the Bolt Pistol or Revolver, or something faster like the Recon Lasgun
I'm mostly trying for a lot of crits, and struggling for where exactly to put my points
Does anyone have any advice? I've checked gameslantern for some builds but nothing fits exactly what I'm looking for so I'm just making it up as I go

[strong gulch]

If you want lots of crits, recon lasgun is the answer.

[prime elk]

Or laspis

[strong gulch]

There is also vraks 5, but it has less ammo and is harder to aim. Plus the recon is a mobility stick for FGS.

[pale prairie]

You can switch the bottom DD talents to be more gun oriented

[vivid lark]

Yeah, I figured. I'm a little worried about carapace stuff - I know how to deal with it via greatsword mostly but having something chunky to cut them down at range would have been nice. Can the recon handle armor at all well?

[pale prairie]

And also go the other direction on DD if you feel like keeping stacks maxed is easy for you

[vivid lark]

yeah I much prefer 25 DD

[strong gulch]

non cara

lasgun or laspistol in crushers is a mistake

The exception is to get some mettle stacks.

[pale prairie]

Yeah you already mentioned the weapons good at armor (varona and bolt pistol)

Like potato said las weapons are nice for quick sniping specials, grabbing stacks of mettle and DD, and also as a mobility stick (especially if you have FGS)

[vivid lark]

this looks pretty close to what I had

I've made mine a little more like this, but I'm not taking the toughness after Warp Rider, going for By Crack of Bone instead

helps scriers last longer

I had Ethereal on there too but I'm assuming it's not really worth it?

also
what is FGS

also also
Zarona felt like a great quick special remover on my knife zealot, much better than any las weapon (as long as I hit the shot)

[pale prairie]

That’s kind of two part answer. I find that yeah BCoB helps SG stacks get higher but it also leaves you with low peril for a decent bit inside SG. This negatively affects bonuses like One With The Warp and warp rider and warp splitting. I also have Unstable power blessing on my FGS (Force Greatsword). All that to say is that ideally with all those bonuses to damage and cleave you should be able to get SG to get a decent number of stacks just through the amount of killing quelling your peril.

Obviously find the balance that hits right for you.

Also the toughness node is so that in havoc 40 my toughness is close to 100

[ornate hamlet]

I like taking crack of bone and then forgetting warp rider exists

[pale prairie]

Yeah I think it’s the ammo economy part. Las weapons have huge ammo reserves and clips so you’re unlikely to run out even if there are huge numbers of specials. If you end up using zarona for both Armor and specials you might have an economy problem

[ornate hamlet]

For FGS in particular I'm also not using it much because the special is used sparingly, while for the Illisi I'd see a lot more use due to the constant special use

[pale prairie]

I like forgetting how to count to 10 and blowing myself up

[ornate hamlet]

Ogryn psyker

Lore-friendly

[vivid lark]

it's an emergency measure for both, i prefer getting within melee range of any special
because it's funny to dodge the trapper at like 5m and then cut her brain in two

[pale prairie]

Nah that’s a female Ogryn which don’t exist in Darktide

[pale prairie]

Like I said you asked for different opinions but at the end of the day if it’s what you like then hang with it. I think the real problem is in higher difficulties. It’s not always feasible to wade through the horde, armor, and possible waves of fire to melee the trapper or grenadier in the back.

[vivid lark]

not in the back, in the face 🙂

[pale prairie]

Lmao I’ve seen someone use the bistol bleed and FGS special spam (with macros) to just tag everyone with multiple dots of bleed. It’s silly

[pale prairie]

I think you’re joking but to clarify “back of the room” lmao

[vivid lark]

hehe, yeah you're definitely right, not the easiest thing to do

[pale prairie]

I didn’t address this but Ethereal probably isn’t worth it if you can maintain high peril levels for your Warp splitting to take affect

[vivid lark]

so kills on their own can suppress/slow the SG peril?

[pale prairie]

Yeah if you click on SG in the menu it says that

[vivid lark]

it says temporarily slowed, not reduced

FatShark Description moment?

[vivid lark]

I'm talking about the peril actually going down

[pale prairie]

I mean same difference. I think it doesn’t count as quelling so you don’t get huge benefits from the quietude talent

[pale prairie]

It “slows” peril accumulation. So if you’re killing people with By Crack of Bone. You are absolutely keeping peril super low but also losing out on some synergy from other stuff

[vivid lark]

well, i can try it with and without BCoB to see how much the synergy improves versus having less time in scriers

[ornate hamlet]

Based.

[vivid lark]

What would you recommend instead of BCoB

[proper osprey]

I’d still run it

[pale prairie]

I basically have what I recommend in the build. I like more toughness or grabbing quick shards

[vivid lark]

oh yeah
the only difference between our trees is BCoB vs +15 Toughness

I could try endurance

[pale prairie]

The other thing you could do is grab quell peril on ranged critical hits (obviously las weapon would work best with this) to quell some peril quickly while in SG to get more stacks but still keep average peril up

Tranquility through slaughter

[vivid lark]

I might do, depending which one I have more fun on
The highest I'm likely to play is Auric tbh - Hovac seems like it takes too much premaking (and the friends I have playing with me are still struggling on Heresy now and then)

[vivid lark]

ooooo

That's a good idea

[pale prairie]

You can do with randoms just harden your heart to loss

[vivid lark]

I'll try that! It should give me more control over it, so i can get into high peril without overdoing it too easily

[proper osprey]

I use a version of coles build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/terrible-melee-psyker-build

[vivid lark]

I'd rather not hurt myself like that

[pale prairie]

Lmao fair enough!

[vivid lark]

I used to play Cataclysm with the occasional random on V2....

[pale prairie]

Those were good times. I think VT2 cult following helped keep the average random skill decently high

[vivid lark]

Honestly I still play every few months/update. I vastly prefer it to DT (they're both great but... V2 just hit different) but don't play it much anymore because there's not much that's novel about it any more.

[pale prairie]

Yeah I’ve played the maps so many times. I like the sheer number of ranged enemies in DT making it crazy. But I miss the feeling of one shotting or bullying a chaos warrior

[vivid lark]

i loved duelling them with the glaive, or any weapon really
can see the soul of a CW in every crusher I kill

[pale prairie]

Yeah crusher kills are fun but they don’t feel as epic

[vivid lark]

any recs for the FGS/Recon perks, etc?
I already have an FGS used with a similar build, here it is so far https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9fa8aced-b4ac-4cbc-92db-ca5dae081679

[ripe obsidian]

I got bullied by my teammate. A Burgle mutant threw me directly into a Burgle, then my teammate shot a burster on my face as soon as I got spit out

[pale prairie]

This is what I run

[prime elk]

don't use blazing spirit, it's one of the few bad blessings on fgs

and yeah cara/unyielding is the standard way to go on fgs

[ripe obsidian]

I do not like Tox Bombers, Sam I Am.
I do not like them in a hall, I do not like them, not at all.
I do not like their smelly smoke. I wish that all their spines were broke.
I do not like their stupid laugh. I want to split them all in half.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/truth-hurts-gif-22352132

The loss of visibility is just the

https://tenor.com/view/rhett-mclaughlin-chef's-kiss-exquisite-mwah-kiss-gif-6656179065636742146

[vivid lark]

nice! FGS being Warp Res 60% I assume? What about Recon?

[pale prairie]

Yep. I have mine at like 38 I think which means one special attack gives me 47% peril so I can keep it up midst combat

[pale prairie]

Dump is typically collateral

But some people prefer a mix between collateral and mobility

Collateral is just how good it is at suppression (las weapons typically don’t have high natural suppression but if you are bad at popping heads then it might be worth not dumping it)

[prisma hinge]

this is my peak FGS gaming

[vivid lark]

i was feeling wrath over unstable

[prisma hinge]

up to you

[vivid lark]

38% warp resistance?

[pale prairie]

Yep

[vivid lark]

how do you do that?

isn't the minimum 60 for a full 500 weapon?

[pale prairie]

Basically I rolled in the shop till I got a sword with 3 warp resist and then empowered till everything was maxed except WR

[pale prairie]

Yeah it’s technically a 470 weapon

[vivid lark]

OH

that's smart

damn

[pale prairie]

Yeah you really only do it for warp resistance on force swords. Some crazy people do it with Infernus staves for shriek builds

[vivid lark]

i got mine to 44 with everything else maxed

[pale prairie]

That’s plenty

I had that and I just decided I wanted to see what lower felt like. Basically at that level it should give you around 27-30 something peril on special use

[vivid lark]

tight

[mighty agate]

Same thing can do with purgatus

Now i try to do same but with melee

[pale prairie]

Lmao

Crazy to me the good rolls people can get

[vivid lark]

i go to brunts and buy endless weapons when i'm making a new build, then consecrate them up and sacrifice the spares

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/grumpy-dana-carvey-back-in-my-day-angry-gif-16063472

[ripe obsidian]

I didn't have much luck in getting a win to properly compare stats. I will need to keep trying. But from what I have so far, It does seem like Warp Battery is about the same % of time spent at 4 or higher as Wildfire. The question becomes, how much damage am I losing to not having Wildfire versus having potentially more Shrieks.

[pale prairie]

So hard to quantify because how do you estimate the number of BB KF procs wildfire gives you and then the concurrent PC procs

[ripe obsidian]

It's not just the KF procs or the PC, it's also the faster ramping

It's more or less impossible to quantify, as I can't play identically each mission

Ostensibly I would have 7.5% to 15% more Shrieks and 4 to 8% more damage output like 30% of the time.

But I am losing the faster scaling and spread

And even at H40, Wildfire can kill a fair amount of enemies on its own.

[strong gulch]

The utility of wildfire spreading to annoying specials. It's nice. It's not something that happens all of the time.

[marble crater]

Days since last wildfire debate

[ripe obsidian]

Wildfire is not bad. I just want to analyze

And based on what I have seen, Wildfire doesn't put me at 4+ stacks more than Warp Battery. I would need to test more. Need more data points

[strong gulch]

ye

never said anything about bad

[pale prairie]

This is what happens to players when your content release cycle is so long

[strong gulch]

Outside of numbers. I think there is also a difference in praxis between those who lean towards WB vs WF.

Like viewing warp siphon mostly as CDR and anything beyond what's mostly needed is a point that can be spent elsewhere. While another person want to maximize time spent at high peril between shrieks on cooldown to make better use of the damage buff; so WB would give more of that.

[ripe obsidian]

Based solely on my data since fixing my buff bar, I am not actually seeing a meaningful difference in time spent a high peril between WF and WB, which is slightly strange.

[glossy minnow]

does assail count as a "ranged" attack, specifically for the true aim talent node

[strong gulch]

yes

[ripe obsidian]

Does it count if I am debating with myself?

[marble crater]

Yes

[strong gulch]

yes

[pale prairie]

Yes

[strong gulch]

Just found out I have 2700 hrs in a game I could swear was much lower. I gotta play darktide for 400 more hours to catch up.

[pale prairie]

What game?

[strong gulch]

Genshin

[ripe obsidian]

I see.

[pale prairie]

Yeh that’s a time sink

[strong gulch]

Neverwinter is close behind, but I haven't played that in like 10 years.

It might actually be a lot higher, because I was playing Neverwinter before it was on steam.

[marble crater]

Shame

[strong gulch]

Physical damage plunge amber main

[marble crater]

I don't know what any of that means

[strong gulch]

translation

meme

[marble crater]

Blazing spirit melee meme? Or actually good?

[strong gulch]

Blazing spirit is worse. Still not good. Too much power creep. Also I have sus gear and a skill issue. Mostly because of the build and gear being underpowered.

[hearty wolf]

@tulip kettle This is you https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Cu0M5iuNWEo?feature=share

[marble crater]

Worse than melee spirit? Is such a thing even possible

[strong gulch]

I got multiple mosquito bites on my arms. 😭

spirit melee has got to worse than my mem amber team

maybe

idk

ihaven't been playing

[median furnace]

https://tenor.com/view/mad-science-mad-scientist-gif-20019215

[radiant frigate]

thanks i love it

[ripe obsidian]

You're welcome

[ripe obsidian]

Anyone wanna do H40 stuffs in a bit?

https://torment.fandom.com/wiki/Pillar_of_Skulls

That statue is in Oslo's central park

[modest perch]

theyre turning me into this tomorrow

[visual phoenix]

spin with staff, apply More soulblaze with it. Not just for kills but for in fire reborn procs

[ripe obsidian]

Trust me, I am already spinning

[tulip kettle]

because of the conspiratorial nature of it? because of the crazy shouting? either way wubby is great but his chat is always so sus

[ripe obsidian]

I have these two for Warp Battery. I'd say 30-40% at 4 or higher stacks.

I have this one for Wildfire, but it's weird because I got Crusher'd and lost like 4-5 minutes of playtime, but it didn't stop counting buffs?

[tulip kettle]

i think this mod is pretty sus as a whole tbh

like, its good for some lvl of analysis but already we see too much that makes no sense

[ripe obsidian]

I fixed part of the timers by removing Better Buff Management. The uptime mod was freaking out b/c there were two icons on the screen.

[tulip kettle]

mission is 41 mins and you spent 38 mins "in combat"

[ripe obsidian]

Numbers make a lot more sense now

[tulip kettle]

with a death in the mission

that doesnt add up

[ripe obsidian]

I think it kept counting combat while I was dead

Which is why my uptimes are weirdly low

Like 10% lower than average for everything but Warp Siphon

[tulip kettle]

yeah maybe

1 minute of total time in game with any number of stacks of uncanny?

[ripe obsidian]

Makes sense

I don't melee like ever

[gray juniper]

He has a point tbh

[tulip kettle]

about the teeth?

[tulip kettle]

fair enough

im literally always trying to stack uncanny once stuff hits 15, gotta get that dmg boost 😅

[ripe obsidian]

I'm leaning toward Wildfire being better so far.

[tulip kettle]

its hard to analyse for sure

seems to me like you are getting between 10-15% of the relevant time at max stacks

and as you say if youre sacrificing application times for this id doubt its worth it

though, also

if after everything hits max sb stacks you just continue to apply blaze

losing wildfire is probably less impactful for ttk on stuff

[ripe obsidian]

I'd say maybe 33% at 4-6 stacks with Warp Battery. Usually around 40-45% with 4 stacks with Wildfire

[tulip kettle]

thats not what your results showed there

[ripe obsidian]

?

[tulip kettle]

for the first battery one as example

5.22 at 6 stacks

maybe 7 mins at 5 or 6 if were being generous, but note that 5 stack uptime is much lower

out of 31 mins in combat

makes just over 20% effective up time at 5-6 stacks

maybe im misinterpereting

[ripe obsidian]

I'm just using the % of times I had stacks

But % of total combat time would be better, yeah

[tulip kettle]

i think its important to do so

[plucky flax]

Reject data embrace vibe

[tulip kettle]

else youre gonna be getting whatever the stack decay time is at max stacks everytime you transition between areas withut shrieking beforehand

really though how are you supposed to get accurate data on the efficacy of wildfire

for me it is 100% vibes based

but i KNOW i dont get random KF procs on offscreen specials without it

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/based-kneel-dark-souls-gif-24182729

[tulip kettle]

one bit of data that wouldbe good to have alongside all this i think would be the number of times shriek is used in the game

[ripe obsidian]

Working on that

I reinstalled PowerDI

But haven't done a WB run with it yet

I think it was 90 times in my last game. So less the 4 minutes dead, 90 times in like 34 minutes of combat with WF

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I have been paying more attention to that. Probably like 10-20 random offscreen kills in a game

Wildfire is just too hard to measure, damage-wise. I can get decent data for stacks and Shriek usage, but less so for damage. Though the uptime of the Shriek thingy would be a good mark there. The % peril reduction for 5 seconds

Ostensibly it would be about 15% more Shrieks. So 90 to 104ish in this game.

[tulip kettle]

is it?

i think its not a thing you can just math in that way

[ripe obsidian]

The increase in shrieks? No, it's not.

[tulip kettle]

you arent always shrieking off cd and you arent always shrieking at max stacks i assume

[ripe obsidian]

10% more shrieks is probably closer to accurate

Like 7-10%

Because I don't want to do it, I had GPT make a table of the data. It might not be accurate; I didn't check closely.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/marie-kondo-spark-joy-this-sparks-joy-this-one-sparks-joy-netflix-gif-26883533

[ripe obsidian]

This isn't a perfect analysis, but I'm feeding more data to GPT. It's generally good at ingesting data. Generally.

Using your logs:

Wildfire → Average CDR ~19–22%, ~21–22s effective shriek cooldown.

Warp Battery → Average CDR ~21–25%, ~22–24s effective shriek cooldown.

So ironically, Warp Battery didn’t give you more shouts overall — because you rarely sat at 6 stacks long enough to pull the cooldown down to 16.5s. Your actual throughput was about the same or worse than Wildfire.```

I will gather more data to feed it.

[tulip kettle]

youre doing gods work six.

[ripe obsidian]

Another True Survivor for my collection

[summer prairie]

I don't see any difference in shriek counts whether I'm using powerdi or not, but I only have 3 games with it

[plucky flax]

The ogryn not spamming his rumbler enough

[summer prairie]

but even with PowerDI it's hard to tell, you'd have to take into account your elite/specialist kills too

[verbal thistle]

Literally any gun works, depends on playstyle, struggle against specials? Shotguns. Struggle against ragers? Shredder auto or infantry auto gun. Want to snipe or deal good unyielding damage? Las weapons

Gaze you use on cool down while in combat

[tulip kettle]

you dont really want to be bringing a gun for carapace on gunker

but if you did, probably zarona or bistol i guess

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/melee-attack-v-male-cyberpunk2077-katana-attack-disable-the-gun-gif-26942942

[viscid matrix]

Got a link to the mod that does the logs?

[tulip kettle]

generally carapace is gonna be dealt with by your melee, whether thats an FGS, a duelling sword, a force sword, or a knife

[tulip kettle]

which logs, the buff uptime like six has been posting?

yeah, time to start running at the crushers instead of away from them 🙂

i would recommend starting with a basic MK6 force greatsword, MK12 recon lasgun gunker build

[jovial juniper]

Welcome to the melee world
It's fun and addicting

[tulip kettle]

once you have the basics of the combat flow down (shoot the gunners and reapers and bosses, hit everything else, throw assails to thin hordes and stagger elites)

you will be at the point where you can try anything and see if you like it

[deft stump]

You mean Deimos+soulblaze the boss slowly cos team is MIA.

[tulip kettle]

soulblaze is for the weak

true space wizards cast level 5 lead/laser poisoning

[deft stump]

I have flame staff and an uncanny Deimos.

[strong gulch]

Yeah. Just run and let DoTs do things.

I'm weak and that's why I run.

https://tenor.com/view/peerfairy-explosion-run-gif-13579074

[deft stump]

<Press X to doubt.>

[verbal thistle]

Guns don't deal with carapace

That's your melee

Learning to melee carapace is a core skill that will carry to every difficulty

[viscid matrix]

Yeh

[viscid matrix]

The revolver does

[deft stump]

But what if chainsword...

[viscid matrix]

Assail build with revolver for carapace is great

[verbal thistle]

Should should not be used to deal with carapace

[viscid matrix]

It is best for carapace if you are not using a ds4

[verbal thistle]

Rare few can even do damage to them not to mention the few that deal decent damage

[tulip kettle]

3 rounds to kill 1 crusher, youre gonna be outta ammo by the second room

[verbal thistle]

And this is why we have people not knowing how to deal with carapace

[viscid matrix]

Last time I used it was 2 round head shots

I tend to live on EK staff now

[dull scroll]

it's getting late I had to double take what I just read

[tulip kettle]

EK even worse for crushers

[deft stump]

He said, revolver good for crusher.

[dull scroll]

that's somewhat true, if you manage to crit, with that armor pen blessing it's 2 shots to the head

but did he just say ds4 bad vs carapace

[deft stump]

Problem, ammo.

[strong gulch]

There are plenty of melees that can deal with crushers.

EK at least doesn't run out of ammo and you can stay mobile while zapping. Or do the funny LMB surge stuff.

Relying on gun for crushers tho.

[deft stump]

I think he meant if not using it.

[wispy bay]

I keep guns mostly for bosses.

[viscid matrix]

If you don’t have ds4 like you using a Illisi

Your options for carapace are much more limited

[strong gulch]

But also, hand cannon is 60% instead of 90%. And crusher blobs are not like 3 of them.

[deft stump]

You mean 7 of then... on bloody just heresy.

I nuked my plasma ammo when it happened.

[dull scroll]

oh yeah you right, I am misreading things, time to 😴

[viscid matrix]

Electro staff is great against carapace and flak

It does extra against it

Check its numbers in the attack info

[jovial juniper]

0.15 finesse scaling against carapace

[tulip kettle]

just, what is that even trying to say

my guy its 3 crits on charged secondary to kill 1 crusher in H40

[jovial juniper]

Can we buff Ek please

[tulip kettle]

and you dont have 100% crit rate

and crushers come in packs of 30

[jovial juniper]

👉👈

[tulip kettle]

so imma go ahead and say no, EK is not good vs crushers

[ornate hamlet]

Unless plasma on vet 🤣

[tulip kettle]

bolters also work

but its always a losing proposition to be using your gun vs crushers in high havoc imo

[jovial juniper]

Nah

4 shots

💀

It's bad

On a world where the goat itself
Helbore
Can 1 tap

Anything else is bad

[tulip kettle]

now, trauma staff

still not amazing or anything but at least infinite ammo and it knocks em down

[zealous wing]

deimos can also knock them down, though its one at a time

[ornate hamlet]

4? Thats on havoc 40? On auric its 1 maybe 2

[jovial juniper]

💀

Don't waste plasma ammo shooting carapace

It's not worth it

[ornate hamlet]

Def will

[jovial juniper]

Welp
I tried

Can't stop you though

Have fun

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/goofy-trial-crazy-evil-ill-fucking-do-it-again-gif-17111514

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-beach-steam-emoji-sunset-gif-3837748048620888892

[verbal thistle]

Plasma does not do good damage against cara

[ornate hamlet]

I bet to differ,on auric its fine

[tulip kettle]

i mean with brittleness and +str and the fact you are cleaving and hitting multiple per round, it can perform ok

and the fact that you have the extra ammo economy

[ornate hamlet]

We talking about h40? Or aurics?

[tulip kettle]

auric

in h40 crushers with 20 hit mass and 5400 hp are gonna ruin your day.

[verbal thistle]

Does plasma even cleave cara?

I forgot, I remember they changed it a few times