psyker-class

[pale prairie]

It’s probably in the works. The dog has it strapped to their back so they have unlimited ammo

[fluid knot]

Then Wildfire makes way more sense and contributes more to that side of the tree

(PC is also broke as fuck)

[pale prairie]

I would agree with that

[fluid knot]

But would you give up PC for it? I would, but Im fully aware most people wouldnt

Like as in PC gets removed entirely

[strong gulch]

Something else to consider is wildfire spreading to thinks just wating in the spawn areas. Snipers just randomly dying because wildfire got on them which set off KF then PC and thing already snow balling before you enter the nest area of the map.

[ripe obsidian]

Assuming you're shrieking on wildfire'd enemies and PC hasn't popped, 8 stacks is like 80% more damage than 6, and 10 is almost 3x more

[pale prairie]

Hmmm that is tough. I do think the soulblaze meta is out of control for sure

[ripe obsidian]

24.47 versus 41.35 or 61.26

[gray juniper]

What’s exactly did the old talent do?

[fluid knot]

Well that the thing, Purga is its own problem because infinite cleave, but bar that the main reason Psyker can scale its damage to such an insane level is basically all down to PC

[fluid knot]

Set local enemies on fire after brainbursting a target, prioritizing elites and specials

It was PC, but reigned in because it could only proc off a slower blitz

[strong gulch]

Ye. Snowballing. 🔥

More fire more gooder, but ye there's a lot of ifs.

[gray juniper]

That sounds pretty good but it would be a weak compared to the new one

[fluid knot]

It didnt just infinitely spread

[pale prairie]

It’s hard to balance PC right now with havoc current density. It’s like the fact that coherency was supposed to provide toughness regen between hordes but there really is no such time anymore

[fluid knot]

Yeah, but see #psyker-class message

[ripe obsidian]

PC is really strong. But I also don't know that it's broken. There are definitely those moments of "you killed 30x shotgunners", but it takes a while to scale stacks to that point, whereas an Arby or Ogryn can just one-bop the elites before you can get the stacks

I think PC engenders a good Psyker power fantasy.

[gray juniper]

The whole tree has all this soul fire focus and no multipliers for electric damage but a bad smite node

[gray juniper]

Yes that’s what I’m responding to

[pale prairie]

It’s a more subtle zealot funnel

[fluid knot]

Its a density issue, you don't need input from other classes to achieve it, sure, they have to go beat on something to kill them, but there is inherently risk in that, with PC you have to kill like three specials or elites and massive amounts of damage starts getting spread around

[gray juniper]

I don’t think purge is very out of control. The build + the limited range causes a hamper innately

If the inferno staff had a bolt attack like the rest it would probably be too easy

[strong gulch]

PC on it's own isn't that broken. Just look at gunker.

When it's paired with all of the SB talents on the left side, that's when it get silly.

[fluid knot]

Purge has the same issues Rumbler and Flamer have; IE; infinite cleave

[ripe obsidian]

You aren't wrong. But it is a matter of getting those 3 kills before they kill you or a teammate gets them. That's why KF is so integral.

[pale prairie]

I think it’s the amount of free damage without any actual play to get there beyond initial pumps

[ripe obsidian]

Purgatus doesn't have the burst of rumbler, and I believe fire ticks a lot faster than soulblaze

Like every 0.5 seconds instead of 0.75

[fluid knot]

There is a reason every psyker build in havoc is using Purge

Because it has very low peril cost and can apply its damage to everything in front of it, regardless of hitmass

[ripe obsidian]

I see loads of non-inferno builds. But probably 50% are inferno, yes

[gray juniper]

It shows out in crowded rooms but you’re more or less reliant on the team in long range issues in the biggest rooms

[strong gulch]

Ye, SB is DoT which gets shut down if there is a lot of frontloaded damage in the same space.

Which is why things that extent SB range boost numbers so much.

[ripe obsidian]

This is in no way an argument that Inferno is weak. But it's important to remember that it does have to scale to be effective. Most other things are frontloaded, which can cause Inferno to be a limp noodle. See: Auric

[fluid knot]

I could take the exchange of peril gains for Purge and Surge to get swapped over, but otherwise I have difficulty justifying why Purge should have infinite cleave

[pale prairie]

But that’s less of an issue if the whole room dies in fire after a few pumps

[ripe obsidian]

Again, because it takes like 3-5 seconds to even kill a poxwalker from full HP.

[pale prairie]

I agree with that

I’d even exchange a damage boost with no longer having infinite cleave

[fluid knot]

Sure, but you're not applying that damage to a single poxie, you're applying it to like 50

[gray juniper]

It’s a double edged sword. I was discussing yesterday I want to get away from it because either the team will rely on you to handle ALL the horde by yourself and have their backs turned in to face the bosses or they simply aren’t that great at mixed horde and it’s apparent too late while you end up attempting a carry with a less than optimal clutch package

[proper osprey]

I think purg is fine and it should stay where it is for the time being

[ripe obsidian]

And that's the power fantasy.

If Psyker couldn't kill 50 enemies at once, why would you play the class?

[gray juniper]

Purge is really easy until you’re taking 100% aggro

[proper osprey]

Any nerfs or buffs will break it

[pale prairie]

I think Tacaxe should be nerfed too OP

[fluid knot]

Even then, it has on demand stagger with the primary

[proper osprey]

[ripe obsidian]

Like, Psyker is a glass cannon. You do high damage and die to mistakes. I don't understand the idea that Psyker's damage and horde clear should be in line with other classes

[fluid knot]

I mean I play it for gunpsyker more than I do anything else

But to each thier own

[ripe obsidian]

Gunker still kills 50 enemies at once, depending on the build

[fluid knot]

And as mentioned, thats mostly down to PC

[proper osprey]

Right side doesn’t need sb

Melee psyker will out dps a purg

[fluid knot]

It wont lol

[ripe obsidian]

PC without other SB buffs isn't amazing.

[proper osprey]

I do

[ripe obsidian]

An aggressive meleeker will absolutely outdamage inferno

[proper osprey]

[ripe obsidian]

Meleeker kills everything before SB stacks

[fluid knot]

Except what is melee held back by that SB isnt? Number of enemies hit, which scales with density way harder

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno Psyker shines when the team isn't doing damage, ha

[gray juniper]

I agree that’s normally amazing yet idk about you but I end up in a lot of final toll and rampaging modifiers

[ripe obsidian]

On a team that actually kills enemies, Inferno isn't nearly as strong

[gray juniper]

And the primary kills even slower

[fluid knot]

It kills slower, but it also buys you space

[proper osprey]

Me when I walk around with more finesse than zealot for 10 secs +

[fluid knot]

A luxury you dont get with a Gunpsyker or Melee, at least not in the same way

[ripe obsidian]

Killing slower is not really buying space. It's buying more time for the uncapped Havoc spawns to surround you

[proper osprey]

Fgs/tac axe

Those make space

[fluid knot]

FGS only buys you space if you have the charged attack on hand

Nor is it gong to stagger all the armour in front of you

[ripe obsidian]

I see a lot of H40 runs die because people spend too much time trying to reposition and be defensive, and the uncapped tension spawns just stack up

Not killing in Havoc is how you lose

Spamming LMB on Inferno is essentially giving up

Do it like 3 times, then move somewhere you can do more damage

[proper osprey]

Das why I run vb or revolver

[ripe obsidian]

Non-charged FGS special still staggers ragers. Not sure about crushers

[proper osprey]

Fgs is pretty ridiculous ngl

Inf cleave room clear

[fluid knot]

Its good, but given the rest of the Psyker's kit I wouldnt call it amazing

[ripe obsidian]

I strongly believe that taking away infinite cleave from Inferno would immediately dump it to worse than Voidstrike.

[proper osprey]

I wish it was just 3 empowered strikes

[gray juniper]

Eh I disagree. Call it skill issue or whatever you’d like but in a havoc 35 at the mercantile level it slowly started to become negligible at both when a full health beast of nurgle was making the area smaller and mixed horde & specialists kept showing up after two team members went down. The arby finally went down and a bad grab from a mutant ended me

[fluid knot]

🤷‍♂️ I'm of the opinion density scaling DoTs are not a healthy thing for the game

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, imagine if you could only hit the first row of enemies. You get them to maybe 10-12 stacks before they die. The next row now has maybe 4 stacks from Wildfire. You spend another 5 seconds to kill 6 enemies.

[proper osprey]

I mean it’s like in vt2 with battle wizard

The more enemies the better they are

[ripe obsidian]

In the same time, the Relic Zealot or anything Arby or anything Ogryn has killed 30 things

[fluid knot]

I wouldnt nerf it that much, just not have it pass through anything bigger than a Poxie

[gray juniper]

Left spam on purge staff means you’re on the ropes. Like six said it’s nothing ideal

[fluid knot]

that way Rager blobs and the like dont just get evaporated when the stacks reach critical mass

Again why PC needs to go also

[ripe obsidian]

It is literally what Psyker is designed to do. Staff Psyker doesn't do great boss damage, struggles with armor, can struggle with specials depending on the staff, and struggles with elites in havoc until Soulblaze stacks. Horde clear is the niche for VB/Inferno/Shriek.

Like, I don't go to the Ogryn chat and say, "I think it's unhealthy that Branx can one-bop a crusher"

[fluid knot]

That is also unhealthy

[ripe obsidian]

Except it isn't

Let classes be good at things.

You're advocating for stripping class identity away and making everything basically interchangeable

[fluid knot]

🤷‍♂️ You want a power fantasy, I want a challenge and build variety

[ripe obsidian]

I have played or played with (and won) in H40: Inferno/Bubble, Inferno/Shriek, Inferno/SG, VB/Bubble, VB/Shriek, Bubble Knight, tac axe psyker, EP+BB, various guns...

Explain to me what build diversity you want

[fluid knot]

No, I want similar contributions from every class, not instances where one massively overperforms. Ogryn is a good example of this, if it can one hit a Crusher, it can one hit every other special and elite enemy and that damage transfers over to bosses, so what threat is there to Ogryn? Trappers? Please. Thats one single enemy

Psyker only gets as much of a pass as it does because its squishy

[ripe obsidian]

Branx is weak to hordes. Branx is slow.

Ogryn is also stronger than Psyker, but whatever

[fluid knot]

That is not a significant weakness if you've got a grip of the melee mechanics

Even less so when the class can just move stuff out the way by dodging

[gray juniper]

Can you consider the other 95% of the gaming base that doesn’t consider the game tiresomely easy?!

[ripe obsidian]

But it is a weakness. Again, let classes be good at things. Let the Psyker horde clear while the Ogryn bullies armor, the veteran snipes specials, and the Zealot does... whatever Zealots do.

[cyan lily]

How do I build electrokinetic force staff

[fluid knot]

The Veteran is a gold toughness dispenser to keep everyone else immune from damage

[ripe obsidian]

What does similar contributions mean? Identical kill counts and damage on the scoreboard?

[cyan lily]

AlSo what’s the junk stat

[fluid knot]

Sniping specials, he's barely done that since skill tree rework

[fluid knot]

Depends on what you wanna do with it

[cyan lily]

Damage I guess sry I haven’t done a lot of this class

[fluid knot]

You can dump Warp Resist, which is the most common, or you can dump Charge Rate and cover the loss with Warp Flurry, it builds a lot of peril tho so see how it feels

[ripe obsidian]

Classes and builds have specialties. If I, on Inferno/Shriek, had the same damage to bosses and specials and ranged elites as a Zealot, Ogryn, or Arby, I would be concerned. If they outdamaged me on melee elites and hordes, I would be concerned.

[cyan lily]

Tyvm

[ripe obsidian]

Warp Resist is the dump. 60 WR is a super minimal change from 80.

Charge rate if you're doing an LMB build, I suppose?

[gray juniper]

Warp nexus, warp flurry. Possibly use unyielding, but definitely carapace or flak

[ripe obsidian]

I think my EK is Nexus/Flurry/Flak/Maniac

[radiant frigate]

this feels like bad advice

[fluid knot]

LMB Surge is hella stronk tho

[gray juniper]

Warp resistance

[ripe obsidian]

LMB EK is decent. Haven't played it much since quell cancel got killed.

[ripe obsidian]

Build diversity, eh?

[fluid knot]

Up to a point, its still not touching runaway density scaling

[radiant frigate]

weapons have a niche, also water is wet and orks are green

[fluid knot]

PC needs to go and Brainburst needs Wrack' back, I'm happy to wait to see how Purge performs after that change, but PC is too much atm

[ripe obsidian]

If an LMB EK user beat inferno for horde damage, something would be broken. But Inferno should 100% not beat LMB EK for elites and specials.

[ripe obsidian]

Circles are green.

[ornate hamlet]

What curios should i use with @deft stump build ?

[ripe obsidian]

PC is only particularly strong if you build for Soulblaze due to how the stacks work.

[cyan lily]

Tyvm everyone

[fluid knot]

Right, but the reason PC can scale so well is because of its interaction with other sources of SB

[cyan lily]

Also how should I build blaze force greatsword ?

[ripe obsidian]

3 stacks of Soulblaze is 6.57 damage per tick. 6 is 24.47. 9 is 50.98.

[ripe obsidian]

Which is a build choice.

You are choosing to build for Soulblaze at the expense of armor, specials, and boss damage.

[ornate hamlet]

@smoky notch what curios should i use with @deft stump build?

[gray juniper]

Not 3 stamina toughness and a health or stamina if you want

[fluid knot]

To put this into perspective, If burn out a couple of specialists in Psyk', then I have to wait up to THREE MINUTES for the chain reaction to stop.

[gray juniper]

She said she was memeing with the 3 stamina btw

[fluid knot]

That is too much

[ornate hamlet]

So 2 touhg 1 stam?

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, the Psykhanium is not a good metric for this

[fluid knot]

That is what happens with density scaling DoTs tho

[ripe obsidian]

Wildfire lingers for 8 seconds after enemy death there

[fluid knot]

The higher enemy density gets, the stronger it gets

[ripe obsidian]

Listen to me when I say the Psykhanium is actually bugged for soulblaze

If you kill an enemy, then the next respawns, the wildfire from the corpse lingers and applies to the new one after a bit

[fluid knot]

Im not factoring in Wildfire for this, just PC, its very, very rare I take Wildfire at all

[pale prairie]

Question do you typically end up with fewer elite, special, armor kills and lower boss damage? Just feels like inferno scoreboards I see typically have all the yellow numbers

[ripe obsidian]

I will make a video testing this when I get home from the office. How many specialists? And no wildfire.

[fluid knot]

Literally just kill a few of the normal spawning ones, let them keep respawning to simulate more enemies flooding in. I will take a video in a bit.

[gray juniper]

Mark 6 is for focus on elite enemies. Mark 8 is focused on horde clear. They can do both but are strongest in these niches. Make your perks match the strong points and use blessings like unstable power, riposte, precognition, shred or wrath

[ripe obsidian]

I mostly post the goofy ones. I usually have the lowest specialist damage and kills, most melee elites, middling for ranged elites, middling to low for bosses

[gray juniper]

Yea you could do that

[ripe obsidian]

If I have the most boss damage, it was probably a hard game

[ripe obsidian]

I will kill 3 specialists without Wildfire in an H40 Psykhanium. KF or no?

[gray juniper]

You’re discounting what that means in game with continuous spawns and enemies closing distance though

[pale prairie]

Continuous spawns and close quarters would lend itself to soulblaze spread though right?

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, I'm not arguing that Inferno is anything but good or that PC is weak. I'm arguing that that build choice fills a niche, in the same way Gunker fills a niche.

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, which is why Inferno is not so good in lower difficulties

[deft stump]

Toughness/HP. Moar Toughness/HP. IDK.

[ripe obsidian]

Wounds. Crystalline Will.

[fluid knot]

You have to factor in that you are going to be damaging these enemies also, the example I'm providing is just you letting the blaze do its thing. I will upload a video in a second

Might take ten minutes to upload

[deft stump]

That's worse than learning with 3x stam.

[gray juniper]

Yes but what’s funny about meat grinder is everything is neatly placed within soul blaze range of each other. In game that doesn’t seem the case and you have large chaff hordes coming in first

[pale prairie]

Yeah I get that I guess it just feels like current state of play really pushes inferno and soulblaze talents in the tree. Which is why both voidBLAST and inferno are leading the top of the meta

[gray juniper]

Brother, what I’m saying is realistically if you leaned on that you’d be dead from gunners and ragers closing in

[fluid knot]

This is how density scaling works.

[pale prairie]

I mean the hordes would be even denser and as established dense hordes lead to better soul blaze results

[fluid knot]

Which is why SB (PC) is disproportionately strong the higher up the difficulty chain you go

[ripe obsidian]

Pardon my raised voice, but, INFERNO IS DESIGNED TO EXCEL AT DENSITY AT THE COST OF SINGLE TARGET DAMAGE AND RANGE.

[humble bobcat]

what sword is everyone1 running

[fluid knot]

Inferno, yes, PC is the major problem.

[ripe obsidian]

Different builds and weapons do different things!

[gray juniper]

Which makes sense, yes. But isn’t your experience similar that specials and elites spawn at diverging points around you over neat clusters together? Theres a bit of both in game, so you’re never getting them all

[ripe obsidian]

The common picks are Deimos, Obscurus, FGS, and DSIV.

[fluid knot]

I don't LIKE Purge having infinite cleave, but I don't think thats the major issue here

[gray juniper]

My response to dorfus fits this also. Lmk what you think

[gray juniper]

Yes this makes sense

[fluid knot]

You're never getting them all, but you only have to proc PC on top of Purge a small amount of times before there is a runaway effect in which everything starts dying. Its not "just horde", its everything except Crushers

[humble bobcat]

is the strat just to gamble in brunts armory to get the correct bbase stats before i craft?

[radiant frigate]

it does also have decent-not-insane boss damage

[pale prairie]

I guess my response is that where they cluster and spawn matters to a lesser degree if you have infinite cleave and have already started the chain. Clusters of elites just need to have a single one die to say KF for the PC chain to begin in addition to any creeping flames shrieks

[ripe obsidian]

Once or twice a mission I might get runaway Soulblaze with PC and get a silly kill tracker. It's hardly constant

[ripe obsidian]

It does. Better if you have Shriek to keep SB up

[gray juniper]

Which is pretty balanced imo. Game situations that mixed horde is large enough no matter what that you are made to put in the work to keep it down at all times

[ornate hamlet]

What about sub stats on curios?

[fluid knot]

Sure, but the degree to which it can run away is massively out of hand. PC on its own can last for multiple minutes with constant procs if there was enough enemy influx, let alone with damage being added on top. There is no single instance in any other character's skill tree unless you count the dog on Arb that can go multiple minutes killing things without player intervention

[gray juniper]

Yes that’s basically the only way tbh u less the emperor smiles on you

[ripe obsidian]

I like CDR, toughness, gunner resist. Health is also popular, or corruption resist depending on the Havoc modifier

[gray juniper]

Usually ability cool down. toughness/health are good choices but it can depend on what you need most. As potato says, curios are less impactful than people think

[humble bobcat]

do i need to be level 30 before i start gamble in brunts?

[pale prairie]

It would be wise to wait yea

[gray juniper]

I admit I think purge + pc is fine where it’s at. Let psyker have even a modicum of carry ability why don’t you

[gray juniper]

No but you need to before you try to buy weapons from the regular armory

[ripe obsidian]

Typically, yes

[pale prairie]

I don’t mind that. What bothers me is that if I want wins I have to play a narrow field rather than what is fun to me personally

[gray juniper]

This is apt to my experience too. Usually if that’s happening then someone else is struggling too

[ripe obsidian]

I'm gonna say in real game situations where enemies are not standing stock-still, it won't run away for 3 minutes.

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, yeah, it rarely happens if I have a strong team

[gray juniper]

Understandable. Also obligatory git gud

[viscid flax]

I need a way to make my psyker more melee

[ripe obsidian]

The weaker my team on the whole, the better my numbers look

[proper osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-evil-smirk-crop-gif-25562144

I heard you wanna do melee psyker

[pale prairie]

That’s the thing is I am unsure if I would need No Life hours in this game to compensate for build disparity. It’s a hobby/pastime and I don’t got those hours anymore hahaha

[ripe obsidian]

FyreStone names their builds appropriately. >:(

[viscid flax]

yes because i have an Ogryn named Gogruk and the "last name" of my psyker is Gogruk therfore part ogryn psyker

need to get stuck in

i have greatsword unlocked

[gray juniper]

This opinion might be out of hand, but I think every class should have an option for carry potential

[fluid knot]

No, because you wont be stood still for three minutes either, the point is that the potential is there for runaway effects with density scaling with zero intervention from the player. IE; its free. That is not good design and is a good contributor as to why Purge is so strong.

Moreover, if you nip this sort of stuff in the bud, you wouldnt have so many players in Auric and Havoc who don't know how to block or dodge. These sorts of broken power scaling issues are why thats so commonplace

[proper osprey]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e81f1c9-3b63-4dc3-809b-9aee0aef4d51/terrible-melee-psyker-build

[ornate hamlet]

What perks n blessings for this sword? @deft stump

[gray juniper]

Big respect for your grown man hustle

[viscid flax]

not sure exactly how to build better for melee focus my 1st build with the rapier sword seems to be working well but when i use my build with the greatsword i get ganked

[proper osprey]

@viscid flax your ranged can be laspistol, voidblast, electroken, or revlover

[proper osprey]

I linked a build

[gray juniper]

Oh lord

[proper osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-evil-smirk-crop-gif-25562144

You already know

[proper osprey]

If you’re using the fgs the dump stat is warp res, I do flak unyielding, wrath shred

But

You should try the tac axe

[viscid flax]

i hate the tac axe though

it feels so clunky when i do use it

[proper osprey]

Have you tried push attacking

And are you running headtaker and bm?

[viscid flax]

?

My mindset is

see heretic

hate seeing heretic

kill heretic

[gray juniper]

Dorfus I agree on lack of practice in blocking or dodging but that’s probably not the source or solution

[viscid flax]

add infinatum until mission is over

[proper osprey]

Here let me give a example

[gray juniper]

Like six pointed out, purge staff doesn’t even get carried away in auric

With PC included

[proper osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/870802009945702521/1389425982867378226/tacaxefunny.mp4?ex=689f3e08&is=689dec88&hm=e05f98bda6f4f4a6c6224ec0763a6729c647704b12e738e050002db4e7fd7def& @viscid flax are you playing like this?

It’s zealot but they play the exact same

[viscid flax]

no

im never thinking unless im playing veteran

even when im playing psyker or arbites the most thinking i do for either is when i swap to range or need to send dog out

i am hard stuck in Ogryn mode

which is kill heretic

[proper osprey]

Owari da…

[viscid flax]

wut

[proper osprey]

I need to unorgyn him

10 days in zealot chat

[deft stump]

The ones on it can work.

[viscid flax]

I have..... Mr.Smee, Bubbles, Blossom, Buttercup, and Gogruk for Ogryns

I deleted my Zealot so I could have more Ogryns

[proper osprey]

WHAT

[viscid flax]

actually it was for arbites

[proper osprey]

[viscid flax]

cuz i didn't know they were adding more slots

but I have my Judge Dredd

[proper osprey]

But yeah psykers greatsword is good

If you wanna use it

[viscid flax]

Castilla-Gogruk, Markus-Kruber, Mr.Smee, Bubbles, Blossom, Buttercup, and Gogruk, plus Judge-Dredd for characters

[fluid knot]

https://youtu.be/CIAQP_56HSI @ripe obsidian No extra added damage, just letting the skill do its thing

[pale prairie]

Says the guy with kids!

[ripe obsidian]

My rebuttal.

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/14527028598936563365/DEB4F10B911850940296215ED52DB1FCD5EB86CF/

[gray juniper]

I’m just lucky my son likes to watch games, is a gamer, mostly prefers his phone and I’m also just old lazy

[fluid knot]

Thats not a rebuttal

[strong gulch]

old

[ripe obsidian]

I killed like 10 specialists.

I can do another.

[fluid knot]

You can literally just leave stuff to die with Perilous and at some points it takes only one stack to start building up again.

[pale prairie]

“I like you kid! You remind me of me at my age”

[fluid knot]

Being able to melee them faster is absolutely not the point, nor the issue being presented

[ripe obsidian]

??????????????

What does melee

[fluid knot]

PC requires almost no interaction from the player and can kill things for THREE MINUTES

[ripe obsidian]

have to do with anything

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/12981751155703293062/B54483041D6CA615A10B3B82A7618FDC7A7C9A70/

Here's another

Watch as PC does... not last for 3 minutes

[fluid knot]

You are interacting with the enemies. Your melee weapon isnt just flying around the room killing things of its own accord.

[ripe obsidian]

YOU HAVE TO START PC SOMEHOW

[fluid knot]

Sure, you do, and its compounded by further incoming damage, as you can see in my video, it, at points, takes only a single proc to start itself up again, further perpetuating its duration.. without any input from me

Now think about how much that can scale if you are also applying damage to elites or specials

[ripe obsidian]

Oh my fucking lord.

[fluid knot]

Yes. Quite.

[ripe obsidian]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/10842371135381101851/29F2065C70B3E20FCA6E50EC5FEE86EE4BC219FE/

Here.

Watch

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/stranger-things-season4-murray-murray-flamethrower-flamethrower-burn-gif-26023596

[ripe obsidian]

3 specialists killed.

No further interaction.

I am doing exactly what you asked for.

[fluid knot]

I just posted a clip of it having the potential to carry itself ad infinitum.

If you think this is fine, go for it, I think its idiotic.

[ripe obsidian]

And I posted a clip

Of killing 3 specialists

With PC

And no further buffs

And it lasted 30 seconds

I did the exact thing you asked me to do.

You can't just turn around now and say, "Nah" because it doesn't fit your narrative

[pale prairie]

Did you have KF BB?

[ripe obsidian]

I do not currently.

It was just a PC test.

[strong gulch]

The thing being "discussed" is supposed to be just PC.

[fluid knot]

Quite frankly, I dont need to. It has the potential as you can see in the video I posted. Sure, it might not do it all the time, but the potential is there to do nothing and profit from infinite density scaling.

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, I'm done with this. You want to be stubborn and be right, fine.

[fluid knot]

I dont think this is OK, because with intervention from the player (Which is realistically what will be happening), It can scale infinitely with density, and if left unchecked, will

Purge being good into hordes makes sense, Purge being good into everything because of one overtuned skill, does not

[ripe obsidian]

I will say one final time: in the Psykhanium, there are infinite specialists and elites respawning. This is not the regular game experience.

[upper sun]

fyre

video games?

[strong gulch]

But the vid I saw from Dorfus had a bunch of SB stacks already going plus PC. That's a different discussion.

[fluid knot]

That is how density scaling works. How often in Havoc do you get big blobs of elites and specials all in together? All the time, every wave.

[tulip kettle]

just why even bother

[pale prairie]

I think there was some miscommunication on it being a PC test vs a PC test With inferno intervention

[tulip kettle]

i said this so many times, the interaction only works with wildfire PC and KF

[fluid knot]

Its one I had pre-recorded to send to someone I know who is a playtester

[tulip kettle]

miss one of those 3 and the interaction becomes much weaker

[pale prairie]

Yeah that makes sense to me

[strong gulch]

cool beans

[fluid knot]

That video I posted doesnt have Wildfire or KF

I just lit stuff up with Purgatus and let PC do the rest

[strong gulch]

Seems likely. Or at least I hope so.

[halcyon plover]

good lord can you imagine pissing a whole 2 damage every second to those specialists

[fluid knot]

As I said, thats literally just PC

[ripe obsidian]

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/16389018693178434193/28B3480BAEB91D2116E6B3605B6B9CBC3655AFF2/

[fluid knot]

I killed maybe 4 or 5 tops?

[pale prairie]

Watching Six beat the mobs with a club though did really communicate his frustration. I chuckled

[ripe obsidian]

I am glad that came through so clearly.

[tulip kettle]

the video you posted is stacking everything with inferno and then PC maintaining the stacks

on enemies that are already low with constantly respawning specials

[ripe obsidian]

I did that as well and it didn't last forever. =|

[pale prairie]

Hahaha it was beating what to me was already dead specialists

[fluid knot]

It is not, Once they started dying, PC just does it on its own, you don't need auxilary inputs from anything

[strong gulch]

Even pre stacking with just PC.

[tulip kettle]

apart from the enemies constantly respawning and dying staggered by a second or so which just isnt how it works in a game

[halcyon plover]

I feel like I'm missing something because what those videos show is really not impressive at all

[ripe obsidian]

THAT IS MY POINT AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[tulip kettle]

what happens in game is stuff in the blob starts to die, PC pushes the stack cap up and they all just melt, but the reaction isnt self sustaining without the respawning enemies

w/e i dont even know what the point is here

[pale prairie]

But in havoc aren’t the enemies close to constant?

[tulip kettle]

no they still come in waves

[halcyon plover]

in havoc that little tiny piss damage will matter even less

[fluid knot]

Now think about it in the context of gameplay, you get three or so kills, not only do the elites die from your direct damage, now everything else starts dying, the horde, any specials or owt mixed in with it, and you can get it to further insanity because if you have Wildfire or are hitting them with Purge you can wipe the lot

[pale prairie]

It was originally a discussion about soulblaze being OP with PC

[fluid knot]

Its not supposed to be impressive, its a demo of why PC massively overperforms, in actual gameplay, you're applying these stacks to everything. This is how density scaling works.

[ripe obsidian]

The videos I am posting are in an H40 psykhanium

[tulip kettle]

yeah its not PC being OP but PC is the only semi reliable way to exceed 16 stacks

[halcyon plover]

infernus staff is actually a pro at making elites get red during final toll and then not killing them so your teammates have to deal with that bullshit your staff caused

[tulip kettle]

and exceeding 16 stacks makes soulblaze actually do stuff

to see how bad PC is on its own just run any gunker build with only PC and no other soulblaze

[ripe obsidian]

PC without intervention does not last forever. PC + KF can last for a very long time in the Psykhanium, because KF is intervention and because the enemies respawn immediately and feed stacks into each other.

[tulip kettle]

get like 1.3m dmg and literally 40k of it is soulblaze

[strong gulch]

PC is strong, but there is a reason why it's quite droppable on gunker / right side builds. PC is not even enough to make souldrinker worth taking.

PC plus the other left side nodes that facilitate SB snowballing by working together, is where the real strength is. Especially when talents extent SB's range.

A couple SB stacks is ehh, 21 or getting to the 31 global limits is a whole other beast.

[pale prairie]

Whoa really?

[ripe obsidian]

This is PC + KF. Still lasts... 24 seconds.

https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/13254953205797241104/9ABDA3D0892C34F5C7B5EEDF14EE80EACFE072BB/

[pale prairie]

Soulblaze in this context is PC stacks or just damage from the staff? I don’t think I understand terms

[ripe obsidian]

deer lord that video is stuttering; reuploading

[fluid knot]

This is kinda the point. What I posted is an isolated example where it has optimal conditions, when you are min maxxing something that has the potential to do that with supplements, it gets very out of hand very quickly. Pre-cooking the horde with Wildfire, Hitting them with Purge and PC? Yeah, it gets very silly, very quickly

Wildfire and Purge, won't carry itself in the same way without PC

PC is the main source of spread, by a huge margin

[tulip kettle]

by very silly you mean, the high stacking DoT effectively kills unarmoured enemies? colour me shocked

and yes wildfire and purg does do very well still even without PC, not that you would

the biggest actually relevant dmg increase for soulblaze is stacking uncanny

[fluid knot]

So which is it, Purge being meta, or Purge only being good against one enemy type?

Because it sure as fuck aint the latter one

[tulip kettle]

what do you mean?

the reason purg is meta is precisely because its good at killing large numbers of unarmoured enemies

[ripe obsidian]

PC without other soulblaze spread mechanisms is pretty weak, yeah.

[tulip kettle]

and the thing that makes it actually good is stacking uncanny

[strong gulch]

You're saying in combination with a bunch of things when you were talking about just PC.

[fluid knot]

I mean the fact SB can run away like this is why PC is problematic, it can snowball to the point its killing everything except Crushers and all the player has to do is waggle thier mouse around a bit into a big group

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, this gets back to the crux of the whole argument. Making a build that optimizes Soulblaze makes Soulblaze do well at the expense of other things.

[fluid knot]

You can see PC on its own in a perfect environment from my clip. If it can do that on its own, you tell me which is the biggest contributor to overstacking

[tulip kettle]

that environment just doesnt exist

that literally only happens in psykanium

[ripe obsidian]

I posted like 8 videos in the exact same environment.

[fluid knot]

No, you hit a few enemies with a melee weapon in an effort to say "look, I can kill them faster in melee"

[strong gulch]

Again. Talking about PC in combination with other things vs PC on it's own are two different things.

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, so what about the 2 Inferno videos or the EK video?

[fluid knot]

If it can scale for three whole minutes, isolated from everything else, thats a problem. Wildfire won't do that, that is to say if PC was removed, Brainburst got Wrack (effectively the same thing, but only proccing on BB) then the balance would be much better because this sort of functionally limitless spread would be nipped in the bud

[ripe obsidian]

And holy fucking moly you're missing the point. I killed enemies to start PC stacking. Melee kills still stack PC, you stubborn ass.

[strong gulch]

"Again. Talking about PC in combination with other things vs PC on it's own are two different things."

[ripe obsidian]

There is no point in this conversation where I said, "Melee better than PC lolololol". I had to start stacks somehow.

[brazen compass]

Flames are perty, and more flames are perty-er

[tulip kettle]

you get 50 poxwalkers and 10 maulers and 4 bulwarks and 6 crushers in a blob, its not PC carrying you through that its the inferno burning all the trash and uncanny stacking + KF procs and the dmg from your + teams melee weapons on the armour

PC does little there, unless your team arent doing anything, in which case all the trash dies before any of the elites. Then you hit the armour, stack uncanny and start killing armour and the stacks on the last few elites hit 31 and kill them

[fluid knot]

You only need to aim for the Maulers and Bulwarks, and you only need to kill four of them tops, even if you didn't hit any of the trash, everything else will die, because of PC

[tulip kettle]

thats the reality of it

[fluid knot]

Except the Crushers ofc, you would still need to melee those

[tulip kettle]

@strong gulch i saw your keybinds earlier at dinner with my family and nearly threw up

[fluid knot]

You would have softened up most of the maulers in the act of killing four of them, so PC finishes those, the DoT, by then, is going to be killing poxies, the rest of the Maulers die off, there will be borderline no HP, if any on the Bulwarks, all you have left is the Carapace lads

[brazen compass]

What're his binds?

Are they worse than mine? I'm a leftie

[strong gulch]

Then probably not.
I have said my dodge is on M4 and ability in M5. My swap to melee and ranged each have their own button. Weapon special on C. Blitz is on MM scroll down.

[brazen compass]

Oh that's not so bad

[waxen pollen]

i tried putting my grenade on m4 but i'd constantly mispress it and blow myself up

it is now on z..

[strong gulch]

I do have zealot tknives on 6 tho

maybe I will but that on B

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/babadook-scream-screamingkid-screamcar-afraid-gif-7640635

out here with foot pedals and a million random binds

are we playing darktide or flying a spaceship?

[thorn cedar]

-drags out the rock band drum kit-

[strong gulch]

Sometime I press the foot peddle and wonder why I'm not moving forward.

[ripe obsidian]

Vroom vroom

[strong gulch]

Maybe W can be push to talk and peddle can for forward?? Surely that wouldn't cause problems.

[strong gulch]

My ranged button is tab btw

to be fair, I have a funny keyboard

[pale prairie]

Sometimes we don’t stop to ask if we should instead of if we can

[ripe obsidian]

It's not the worst custom keyboard I've seen

[pale prairie]

Oh for real and same

[marble crater]

It's the worst I have seen

[pale prairie]

My brother codes and games with something like this but even more ergonomic because you send in your hand measurements and they custom make it for you

I think he still uses a mouse though……actually I am unsure

[ripe obsidian]

My partner uses a moonlander keyboard similar to that one when she codes. It's modular and very customizable with keybinds, plus the split is better ergonomically

[pale prairie]

That’s a really apt name

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/1mf0fmm/the_biblically_accurate_keyboard/

[marble crater]

Looks straight out of Yugioh

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/1g78s45/my_wife_says_i_have_bad_taste_in_keycaps/

[marble crater]

[pale prairie]

The first is clearly for fun and is art. The second bothers me

It’s the handwritten caps I don’t like

[ripe obsidian]

I know the first one is silly. I'm trying to find things that are absurd

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/119fu3n/so_i_umm_i_did_a_thing/

I kind of hate this one, even though it looks like it took a lot of work.

[strong gulch]

Buttons look tasty.

[pale prairie]

I agree I was saying I find it acceptable and the second unacceptable.

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/unacceptable-adventure-time-lemongrab-freakout-armflail-gif-5515437

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/you-get-me-happy-tears-michael-scott-gif-13623103

[strong gulch]

Keyboard

[ripe obsidian]

More buttons, more better

That is not sarcasm, to clarify

[pale prairie]

I can’t tell if I hate this or not

[strong gulch]

buttons = SB

[pale prairie]

I think my body would rebel. I wouldn’t know how to use it

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/j84drw/i_present_the_smorgasboard_a_keyboard_full_of/

This is creative and interesting, but actually unusable.

[strong gulch]

I hate that it's discontinued. 😭

[pale prairie]

Yeah I mean it really does make sense

[pale prairie]

No

I can’t game while distracted by hunger

Or write

Or websurf

[ripe obsidian]

You can't game while oddly shaped keys are poking your fingers

[strong gulch]

give it back

make a used one not $300 or $500

or a new one $1000

[pale prairie]

How am I supposed to know what keys spell out “no u dumb and your argument is dumb”

[ripe obsidian]

I would like to get back to writing, once my depression ends. I'm on draft 3 of the novel I've been working on on-and-off for like 8 years.

[pale prairie]

Well I hope it ends soon cause that sounds really interesting. I prefer well cooked novels

[strong gulch]

bind that to doughnut

[pale prairie]

Also end soon for your mental wellness and stuff

[pale prairie]

Holy price gouging Batman

[ripe obsidian]

I'm mostly pleased with it. It's a lot better than the first draft. But progress stalls for months or even years sometimes.

[pale prairie]

I think the good novels are written like that

Also I applaud the mental fortitude to play havoc 40 pugs while struggling with depression. That sounds like a dangerous recipe for me

[pale prairie]

Which kind? Glazed or sprinkled?

[ripe obsidian]

H40 helps with depression, actually. The game is fast enough that it staves off Sad Thoughts, but not so demanding that it leaves me exhausted

[pale prairie]

This guy over here with his “havoc 40 is not so demanding”

[strong gulch]

the most sphincter looking one

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-the-goat-av-avfn-youre-awesome-youre-cool-gif-14461491729780940177

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, it's not. There are only so many decision points with the builds I use. Something like Gunker would be harder.

[pale prairie]

Hmmmmmm

[ripe obsidian]

H40 is hard, but it's not mentally taxing

[pale prairie]

Good point

[pale prairie]

Agreed

[ripe obsidian]

I still need an H40 for this week

[pale prairie]

Prolapsed or non?

[ripe obsidian]

Did an H39 with a really great team, but they all left after one game.

[strong gulch]

non

[pale prairie]

I’d offer but I got therapy tonight and don’t know when I’ll be on

[ripe obsidian]

My therapist is on vacation this week and next

[strong gulch]

DT is sometimes very taxing for me to play. It's always mentally taxing tho.

Sometimes more than other times

[ripe obsidian]

That is fair. It is different for different people.

[strong gulch]

ye

[pale prairie]

That’s cause you do crazy wacky builds and use the Nintendo 64 controller

[ripe obsidian]

For me, the most taxing games are things like well-written RPGs and building/management sims

Minecraft takes a ton of effort from me unless I'm just exploring. Things like Factorio are so demanding that they aren't fun (for me)

[pale prairie]

Inconsiderate jerk

[strong gulch]

I WAS THINKING ABOUT N64 CONTROLER AND THIS GAME YESTEDAY.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/i-know-what-youre-thinking-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-know-whats-in-your-mind-can-see-your-thoughts-i-see-what-youre-thinking-off-gif-21442696

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/this-has-to-be-stopped-eric-cartman-south-park-s16e3-faith-hilling-gif-23121297

[strong gulch]

Like setting up a whole new kitchen after moving.

[pale prairie]

Quick distract dom with code

[ripe obsidian]

Exactly. It's sometimes satisfying to be done, but it's mostly stressful and exhausting

[pale prairie]

It’s creative and sometimes those games also feel like a job hahaha

[ripe obsidian]

And then in RPGs I just don't want to make the wrong decisions and hurt NPCs' feelings. :<

[pale prairie]

Depends on the rpg if it’s lots of decisions then taxing if it’s a good story it can revitalize me sometimes

[pale prairie]

I feel this to my soul

I have an obsession with the “perfect path”

[strong gulch]

I like house flipper 2. The cleaning up and here's a clear goal part of it. The decorate stuff yourself part??? Feck me I'm done

Just show me the wall you want smashed.

Or put pots all over and I will shove plants in them

[pale prairie]

Yeah let me fix not decorate

[strong gulch]

but then I'll move them to be by the windows

[pale prairie]

And forget to water them

[strong gulch]

Both my partner and I are bad at decorating. We have a bachelor pad.

[pale prairie]

Me too. I just say I have a minimalist style

[strong gulch]

I do need to water plants.

[pale prairie]

It’s a lie there is no style

[ripe obsidian]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1040200/Crime_Scene_Cleaner/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1290000/PowerWash_Simulator/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1161580/Hardspace_Shipbreaker/

https://store.steampowered.com/app/246900/Viscera_Cleanup_Detail/

[strong gulch]

I have an on the floor style.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/pout-kiss-blowing-a-kiss-suspense-christian-bale-gif-16931550113965916217

[strong gulch]

OK. I have been saying for ages that I want a vicera cleanup detail like game but in darktide.

Go mop up the dead heretics.

[pale prairie]

That would be impossible

Too much stuff

One BoN would be like hours in game

[deft stump]

Wish DLCs for Powerwash sim is cheaper... $60 for all on sale is yikes.

[ripe obsidian]

Hardspace Shipbreaker, played in the mode without a time limit, is one of the most zen games I have played

[strong gulch]

Polish the scattered bolts for the emprah

[pure plinth]

what is the lore of the force swords?

they must be relics

[earnest cobalt]

Hardspace shipbreaker mentioned

[ripe obsidian]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Force_Weapon

[earnest cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/hardspace-shipbreaker-thumbs-up-chair-furnace-gif-18285811336495604730

[ripe obsidian]

It is a 10/10 game

[earnest cobalt]

Damn right u are my man

One of the most fun chill games

Nothing feels satisfying more than dissecting a whole ship apart

Those air pressures are a headache sometime tho

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I once had an air pressure leak that ended up launching something into a reactor...

It pinballed across the entire ship from the cockpit back

Instant 60% loss of profit

[earnest cobalt]

That ship must have gone into backrooms

I can imagine

Same happened with accidental reactor trigger to me

Half the ship gone

Lost the body

[ripe obsidian]

I couldn't do anything but laugh

[earnest cobalt]

Yeah

But those mistakes teach you the most

[pure plinth]

huh. grendyl certainly employs troves of them in the warband

[earnest cobalt]

Man I really need to play shipbreaker sometimes

I crave them for some hard space labour

[ripe obsidian]

The idea of our weapons, I believe, is that they're all scavenged

And lore-wise, there are significantly fewer Rejects than game-wise

[proper osprey]

Maybe I gotta eat

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZVdBZeCpXAM

This video is probably a paid piece, but it's still neat

[strong gulch]

I completely forget what was in that vid. I know I watched it at some point.

Me watching movies then forgetting them. No memory of it. 😭

Then I watch it again.

still new

[hearty wolf]

Infinite content

[marble crater]

Hollywood hates this trick

[ripe obsidian]

For all the shit we give Fatshark, their melee combat design is second to none.

[strong gulch]

ye

[pale prairie]

Honestly that’s a superpower

[pale prairie]

I feel they learned a lot from the vermintides

[strong gulch]

But when it's a movie you hate, it's a bad time again.

[pale prairie]

Hahahaha

Write a list

The bad vibes list

[strong gulch]

Lose list

what list?

There was a list?

[pale prairie]

Lmao

ITS ON THE FLOOR

[strong gulch]

actually tho

[hearty wolf]

Killing floor

[pale prairie]

Death is too easy

[ripe obsidian]

Killing Floor is fun, but absolutely is not on par with Fatshark's combat

[pale prairie]

Maiming floor

[strong gulch]

when the cats find a bug

[hearty wolf]

Yeah? I think their melee combat design could do a lot of work.

I think they have the best implementation of specials compared to your other horde games though

[pale prairie]

We must learn from our feline masters

[ripe obsidian]

How would you improve it?

[strong gulch]

give snack

[hearty wolf]

Relevant weapon specials.

Perhaps a M1+M2 attack but the danger with that could be misinputs. Still monster hunter does it.

I'll type rest in a bit

[ripe obsidian]

I'm gonna say that weapon specials are a different topic than the mechanics of combat

I'm talking core gameplay loop, weapon agnostic

[upper sun]

bros.....................

eating grims no longer heals you

pretty sure its supposed to cure until 1 wound no?

[mighty agate]

IT HEALS?

WTF

[upper sun]

it cures space aids

but i was sure it cured more than this 😭

[jovial juniper]

Not exactly
It removes corruption

Totally different

[ripe obsidian]

No

Eating a grim removes the corruption you had from holding it

It shouldn't remove anything more than that

Which is why it removed like 20 corruption from you

[mighty agate]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

[ripe obsidian]

I will find the code

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/nelson-simpsons-the-hunt-is-gif-5437418

[ripe obsidian]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/extension_systems/buff/buffs/grimoire_buff.lua#L42

Pretty sure it's this

            local heal_type = DamageSettings.heal_types.blessing_grim
            local health_added = Health.add(self._unit, grimoire_chunk_heal, heal_type)```

[pale prairie]

Aha! It IS a heal! /s

[ripe obsidian]

Actually, yeah

I was wrong

[humble bobcat]

are yall running great sword or normal force sword

[finite ether]

does anyone know whats better for trauma staff soulblaze setup or brittleness stacks?

[ripe obsidian]

To answer in order:

• FGS is typically better for melee focus, normal for ranged/staff focus
• Soulblaze is better for Voidblast

[pale prairie]

Whatever feels right to you. Deimos and FGS are popular depending on what your build lacks (single target damage and horde clear/general all rounder)

[finite ether]

thx

[ripe obsidian]

    [heal_types.blessing] = true,
    [heal_types.blessing_health_station] = true,
    [heal_types.blessing_grim] = true,
    [heal_types.buff_corruption_healing] = true,
    [heal_types.blessing_syringe] = true,
}```

I *believe* that `permanent_heal_type` corresponds to `permanent_damage`, which is corruption

[pale prairie]

To expand on that brittleness is an excellent pairing with someone already bringing soulblaze like inferno or a soulblaze trauma

[humble bobcat]

ty

[pale prairie]

So good for team comps

[humble bobcat]

if my inferno staff is all 80 stats but i have 47 warp resist should i keep uprgading it or nah

[finite ether]

whats ur melee

if its DS then no leave it

[pale prairie]

That actually sounds pretty good

[ripe obsidian]

So it should remove this much corruption:

local grimoire_chunk_heal = 30 * corruption_taken_multiplier * corruption_taken_grimoire_multiplier

[humble bobcat]

swithcing between force and gs

[humble bobcat]

ok ty

[finite ether]

if ur using force only then u can up it to max

and u dump stat warp res on force

[pale prairie]

If you like using shriek then that’s a perfect staff. If you like bubble you would grab Empyric Resolve and mitigate that anyway

[pale prairie]

Remember the goal is to hover your peril high to benefit from things like Warp Rider and crit chance from Warp Nexus blessing. Inferno staff is already a staff that builds peril slowly so that should be great.

[pale prairie]

Is that corruption taken like your current state of corruption? I am assuming the 30 is more like a 30%?

[ripe obsidian]

I think flat 30

Trying to figure out what the multipliers are

[pale prairie]

Huh then wouldn’t it heal a huge chunk? Unless the other variables are not whole numbers

[ripe obsidian]

    local buff_corruption_taken_multiplier = attacked_unit_stat_buffs and attacked_unit_stat_buffs.corruption_taken_multiplier or 1```

[pale prairie]

Okay yeah so likely those are fractions

[ripe obsidian]

I'm assuming it's if you have some sort of debuff that increases either corruption damage or grimoire damage

Which I don't think exist

So it's maybe just a flat 30 corruption removed

[pale prairie]

Oh so both variables are just 1

I feel that makes sense

[ripe obsidian]

They default to 1 if there's nothing else

I am trying to determine what can cause something else

Oh, talents can.

Derp.

            corruption_taken_multiplier = 0.5,
        },```

So if you have corruption resistance from a talent, blowing up the grimoire heals you less

            corruption_taken_multiplier = 0.7,
        },```

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_traits/weapon_traits_ranged_common.lua#L731

buff_template_name = "weapon_trait_ranged_common_equip_decrease_corruption_damage_taken_buff",

what in tarnation is this

Is there a gun perk that increases corruption resist?

[summer prairie]

there are a lot of unused perks

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/ralph-ralph-wiggum-simpsons-ralph-i'm-learnding-i'm-learning-gif-17493450018197884567

All right, I have sated my curiosity. Grimoire chomping removes 30 corruption multiplied by any resistance you have, so 20% resist means 24 corruption healed

https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=z1ZPwjo1Y-M&si=6DkMNZF9Qecm1dL1

More musicks

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/settings/breed/breeds/human_breed.lua#L190

[ripe obsidian]

Two things that are mildly interesting:

• The base grimoire damage is 40, and if your corruption is less than 40, ticks occur faster until you reach that point.
• All players are born with the grimoire debuff, but it only becomes active when you pick one up.

So if you pick up a grim and don't immediately destroy it, you're still down 10 HP

[mighty agate]

Lol l ike with the cancer

[ripe obsidian]

        "grimoire_damage_tick",
        "sprint_with_stamina_buff",
    },```

All rejects have cancer, confirmed.

It's like RDR2. I'll spoiler this for anyone who is years behind on games, ||where Arthur has tuberculosis all the way in Act 2, but it gets worse and worse as you go.||

    class_name = "grimoire_buff",
    predicted = false,
}```

Which leads back to this:
https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/extension_systems/buff/buffs/grimoire_buff.lua

Okay, now my curiosity is probably sated. I was trying to figure out how a grimoire debuff spread to all players.

And it's just that you're all sick always, and when anyone has a grim, the global count increases

[zealous wing]

dont demon hosts work similarly?

[ripe obsidian]

Daemonhosts do apply corruption up to a cap if you're near them while they're active

The code is different. The damage type is the same

[pale prairie]

Lmao

What a novel way to code a universal damage debuff

[ripe obsidian]

It works, I suppose

I am a little surprised that there are only two spawn buffs for players. Some enemies have others.

[jovial juniper]

Lots of unused perks yeah

[weary idol]

any cool ones

that we could easily replace crit/weakspot damage with

forever

or like sprint efficiency

[hard widget]

Are the staff buff nodes in the psyker tree good

I think no one uses em, but I dunno

[ripe obsidian]

Feel free to look:

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d9681d015167782b10a/scripts/settings/equipment/weapon_traits/weapon_traits_ranged_common.lua#L731

[hard widget]

The ones on the left, with the staff primary and secondary fire buffs

[ripe obsidian]

Give specific names and I will judge their worth.

[jovial juniper]

Only Empyric Shock is good

[ripe obsidian]

Empyric Shock is good*

* on one specific build

[hard widget]

Idr their names, I've never tried em

They are just three something nodes that mirror by Crack of bone melee speed side of the tree on the left

[ripe obsidian]

Empyric Shock is only good on LMB EK

[paper oriole]

Shocking, isn’t it?

[jovial juniper]

Yeah out of those 3
Only Empyric Shock is worth something

Perilous Assault is just there

Psyker doesn't really struggle with swap speed

[ripe obsidian]

Perilous Assault is a bottom 3 talent in the tree

"Objectively speaking, Psyker's current weapon arsenal does not include a single weapon for which this talent would provide a significant wield time reduction. Autoguns and Lasguns have the 'longest' wield times with 0.65s when switching to them and starting to fire from hip (left-clicks). The talent, at 100% peril, would reduce these times to 0.43s. For all other weapons, the time reductions are even less significant."

[hard widget]

Also how do you use voidstrike staff, do you hold the rmb fully and spam it

[ripe obsidian]

Typically, yes.

[hard widget]

Is it good into cara

Or does it have aoe

[ripe obsidian]

Moderately good, and basically no AoE. Decent cleave on non-Havoc.

It is a bowling ball.

Kills things in a line

[hard widget]

Sounds good for mixed horde

And when do you use lmb ? Just for headshotting specials or something

[ripe obsidian]

If you get a surge crit, headshot, and have buffs stacked, Voidstrike RMB can kill a crusher in one attack

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-please-wise-one-guide-me-sarcasm-tell-me-what-to-do-give-me-your-advice-help-me-oh-great-one-gif-15608042

[ripe obsidian]

I believe LMB does approximately the same damage in the same amount of time as RMB quick charges

Not sure about projectile speed

When I use Voidstrike, I rarely LMB

[hard widget]

They should change the staff specials to like a small aoe stun around them the way arby shield has one

[ripe obsidian]

Assail is kind of important for Voidstrike, imo. Otherwise you will struggle a lot with spread out shooters and chaff

[hard widget]

Yeah I'm assuming voidstrike is assail sg and dd

[ripe obsidian]

SG or Shriek

[hard widget]

Probably skip both subnodes on assail

[ripe obsidian]

DD for sure

[hard widget]

Shriek without pc and wildfire?

[ripe obsidian]

If you have spare points, the quick charge assail node is nice.

[ripe obsidian]

With PC. Without wildfire

[hard widget]

I take pc always right

Even without shriek

[ripe obsidian]

It's not amazing without another source of Soulblaze

[pale prairie]

interesting do you value that over the increased number of hits per shard?

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

It's only like +1 cleave

Which is maybe one enemy

[pale prairie]

Yeah I think from my testing it was like 2 increased to 3

vs 2.2 or something seconds per shard vs 3.0

[hard widget]

I take quick shards on my gun build

It's nice for use and also to build peril fast

[ripe obsidian]

"Increases the maximum hit mass limit of Assail which allows its projectiles to hit more enemies; stacks additively with Empowered Psionics and Warp Splitting. For details, refer to the table above that shows all relevant cleave breakpoints."

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3094028505

[pale prairie]

Yeah i know that

[hard widget]

Also warp splitting is good enough so I don't need ethereal shards

[verbal thistle]

or you can take both

[pale prairie]

So if you have EP then it might be worth it

[pale prairie]

Hmmm what would you take on a right side EP build?

is that a gunker still or melee?

[hard widget]

Yeah I took both on assail ep build to do the penance, that was crazy, assail was destroying the map

[verbal thistle]

Ek staff

I sometimes do blast aswell

[pale prairie]

okay I am intrigued now

[verbal thistle]

strike is funny too

[pale prairie]

is the goal LMB or RMB? or is it focus Assail and anytime something ELITE shows up switch to EK?

[verbal thistle]

both LMB and RMB, assail horde/unarmoured elites

[pale prairie]

feels like you don't hit as many breakpoints if you go rightside down to EP with EK staff

cooldown or crit aura?

[verbal thistle]

crit

[ripe obsidian]

I am curious your opinion on if EK LMB or RMB is stronger, or if they are similar in strength

[verbal thistle]

both are good

right is just better armor

left is faster unarmored clear

I'm about 60/40 left to right

when I play EK

[pale prairie]

I have never taken Assail into havoc. I am assuming its decent

[verbal thistle]

its amazing

and fun

nearly instant rager stagger

plus kills fast too

[pale prairie]

damn I might need to actually make a new build

[verbal thistle]

it also clears cultists

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZJADYpnSL0

here is my melee psyker in havoc

[ripe obsidian]

So LMB for chaff, RMB for elites?

To oversimplify

[verbal thistle]

yeah

[strong gulch]

Keep on mind that Ainz can do Ainz things.

[verbal thistle]

there is alot that goes into choosing either left or right

[ripe obsidian]

I know that Ainz is an outlier. But I value their opinion

[verbal thistle]

right on specials is best for stagger and gurenteed hit

since autoaim

[strong gulch]

Everyone dead? No worries. Ainz is there.

[ripe obsidian]

I think I am too RMB reliant on EK. Gotta work on weaving LMB in as well

[strong gulch]

Havoc has been making me use LMB more.

[verbal thistle]

its funny in havoc because you can left click 2-3 times before tapping r once

and thats peril negative

[sullen rain]

Man i srsly need to do some assail builds

I've gotten addicted to inferno + BB

[ripe obsidian]

I'm assuming the general decision tree for LMB vs RMB is

• How many enemies are around me?
• Do I need guaranteed CC?
• How far are the enemies?
• Will LMB plink off armor?

[pale prairie]

great is this like Michael Jordan telling me his 3 point strategy?

[strong gulch]

Yes

But Ainz also has points to his builds and play.

[sullen rain]

I can personally attest, Ainz is the Michael Jordan of darktide

[pale prairie]

alright I am curious about the build though

[ripe obsidian]

This is Ainz's build from the video:

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f6c6f78-07e9-4f95-9d87-83051928de7c/psyker-melee-7

[pale prairie]

Thank you King

[sullen rain]

Based empowered psionics user

[pale prairie]

Is the goal popping SG all the time or just in dicey situations?

[ripe obsidian]

That, I do not know

[pale prairie]

I don't think it is on cooldown cause none of those nodes are selected

[sullen rain]

Most likely just whenever you get a chance for it to shine

SG has such a low CD for how long it can stay up that you can do whatever the fuck with it an still get a good buff

[prime elk]

all the time if you're in combat

[ripe obsidian]

Anyone know which mod, if any, causes the H key to toggle your character portrait...?

I swapped to the vertical loadout mod, now that's happening

[strong gulch]

I that an issue you're having? Or did someone else? I think pick for me can to do that if frames are chosen as an option and the random button is bound to H.

oh I see.

IDK

[ripe obsidian]

H used to be my Havoc hotkey. >:(

[strong gulch]

😠

😭

[ripe obsidian]

It seems to toggle all HUD, actually. But I do not think I have the toggle HUD mod

Okay, no, it's not. It's just that opening the Havoc terminal via hotkey or manually kills the HUD, and it's taking like 5 seconds to open either way

[strong gulch]

uhhh that sounds bad

[ripe obsidian]

Every other menu is fine

[strong gulch]

[humble bobcat]

how do u get end game curios is it just from the armory?

[deft stump]

Luck based. From Melk, Brunt or End mission rewards.

[hard widget]

its terrible

I have 2 21% max health curios i got on my psyker

and 3 17% toughness ones on arbitrator

and all the rest are 16% toughness

[zealous wing]

rip

took me ages to find a 17% toughness one

i think so far i've only gotten 2

[humble bobcat]

gg terrible system

[zealous wing]

i went gambling for one of them tbh

[hard widget]

I never had one, then I bought arby and I got two 17% ones back to back on only him

and i got 2 21 health ones on psyker, i would have even used the health one if I got on one on ogryn

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1000s5t/formally_announcing_the_armoury_exchange/

I use armory exchange extension a lot to check if worthwhile curios exist

[plucky flax]

I have so many +3 stam on arby but not enough +21 hp

[humble bobcat]

what perks do people use for deimos force sword? im running uncanny and deflector blessing cuz i saw ppl run that

[strong gulch]

I finally did it. Just 500 my psykers to go. (not really but I don't want to do the others rn)

I got the mod that I should have downloaded months ago.

Feels good.

[strong gulch]

Mutant for mutie one shots to the head with a H2 on maels and lower.

Unyielding if melee is your monster damage or you want to damage max your SB on a monster.

[pale prairie]

wait did what?

I see no 76 anywhere on that staff

[pale prairie]

Oh my God

its fixed

[strong gulch]

In my game it is.

[pale prairie]

Is it bad that I read Trauma and was like "That is normal nothing to see here"

Oh hey protip on TRAUMA staves is to Dump BlAsT RaDiUs

[strong gulch]

You read what you're SUPPOSED to read. You brain was helping you.

[pale prairie]

alright took the Ainz build into Auric. Super fun and topped damage but I still need practice deciding what to pull out when haha

Also GODDAMN I forgot how peril intensive EK is without ER

[strong gulch]

ye

[pale prairie]

Felt good to use warp bees again

[strong gulch]

Idk if it changes as level increase, but I can get all 76 stat weapon if I gamble melks on random weapons. I'm level 1, so it's just combat axes, devil's claws, and laspistols.

[pale prairie]

I used the warp nexus and the warp flurry. I should probably exchange flurry for surge right?

[pale prairie]

well SUPPOSEDLY axes are the shit but don’t tell Fyre I said that

Is the 76 thing a bug or just more likely at level 1?

[strong gulch]

I swear I got more 76s while leveling. I suspect they are just more common while below 30.

I don't know for sure.

Also don't know if it's a bug or indented.

[pale prairie]

The peril climb is steep enough without ER that it feels like I don’t get full benefit cause I have to quell. Hmmmmmm maybe I am supposed to just go nuts during the 10 seconds of warp unbound

That timing is tricky though cause I blew myself up

[strong gulch]

9 out 9 are 76s from gambling melks.

You're not gonna get a terrible weapon with those stats and the melk shop is supposed to have "better rolls (idk what that actually means).

[pale prairie]

What the hell

Can you tell that pompous asshole to give my poor Ogryn his toughness curios?

[pale prairie]

I felt it used to mean the melk shop had higher rated blessings

[strong gulch]

Yeah you do go extra pew pew durin WU. It's tricky to pay attention to without a mod. YOu can count or try to pay attening to the sound and visual cues.

[pale prairie]

I am attempting the sound queue but yeah counting is a good idea

[strong gulch]

Count to 10. WU is technically active fore 11.5 seconds. So there should be some forgiveness if counting to 10s.

[pale prairie]

Doesn’t the zealot say there can be no forgiveness? Lmao

[strong gulch]

If the buff icons can be relied on, there is a buff icon you can keep an eye on to help tell you when WU is about to end.

but keeping track of that might be harder than counting

[pale prairie]

Yeah I noticed that

My buffs sometimes go invisible though

THANKS DARKTIDE

[strong gulch]

The feathering around the screen could just be a different color. That would solve a lot of issues.

[pale prairie]

Yes please make the tentacles something or have my character say FUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

Cancel that I want my character to say Cunt really loudly

[proper osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/aqua-team-hunger-force-carl-tonight-you-athf-adult-swim-gif-6379179257426532557

[pale prairie]

Oh shit

https://tenor.com/view/marvels-what-if-doctor-strange-hes-found-me-he-found-me-marvel-gif-23672684

[proper osprey]

On psyker I’d say combat axe isn’t that good

It’ll work

But not well

Not like tac axe

[pale prairie]

Right there are different axes

[proper osprey]

And chain axe is only usable on vet and zealot ngl

[pale prairie]

Yeah I know chainaxe is finicky. Had a brother who mained zealot bemoaning it

[ornate hamlet]

I can't remember the youtuber name who swears by it

[pale panther]

I want a two handed chain axe for zealot.

[strong gulch]

reginald

[pale panther]

need my Khârn type weapon.

[ornate hamlet]

I think he is secretly a Khorne worshipper

https://tenor.com/view/angry-warrior-chaos-blood-gif-13932012

[pale panther]

https://tenor.com/view/khornate-berzerker-warhammer40k-chaos-space-marine-khorne-world-eaters-gif-16748885

Khorne you say?

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cornman-corn-man-corn-time-time-gif-20345758

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/aqua-teen-hunger-force-gentlemen-behold-corn-dr-weird-steve-gif-27485766

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/khorne-warhammer40k-warhammer-berserker-gif-16784535

[hardy coral]

i didnt know the Mk I devil claw had the best parry damage out of the 3.

[granite stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/space-king-blood-sign-flashgitz-coagulators-gif-6301676651627017871

[pale panther]

I still want to paint a World Eaters army worth several thousand points.

[ripe obsidian]

This is too high quality for this chat.

[pale panther]

It is my burden, for I must worship Khorne.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!!!!!!!!

[novel yoke]

bros, I'm getting my ass kicked on damnation, does anyone notice any glaring issues with this build?
I understand it isnt the regular BB/CDR/Shriek build

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fa25b6e-5b4f-41d2-9a88-14ebb3de7957/temp-3

I was using two other builds before this one, and while I didn't completely have it under control, I was doing a lot better than with this one, so I think I made a mistake while creating this one

[hearty wolf]

The Zealot version is just such a good voice line

Every other ult is so... unmemorable

@ripe obsidian Oh as for the actual melee mechanics.

I think I'd need to figure out the parameters of what you mean with the actual combat.

For example, yesterday I mentioned the special which you found ancillary.

To be honest, I think the game would feel a lot better on controller simply because controller vibration gives weight

[novel yoke]

I cobbled together stuff that seems cool and probably barely meets the requirements of being playable

[hearty wolf]

I think this game might have a lack of hitstop when cleaving through hordes

[novel yoke]

also going around the right side to get some penances

like prescience

[hearty wolf]

Does that count as combat? It's more of a..artistic thing.

I guess the combat is pretty simple. M1 or hold M1. Press M2 if you can't press spacebar or need to conserve stamina

I think the armour system might just be dogshit

Like if your weapon bounces off Cara. Maybe there should be some kind of way to switch weapon mode so you can deal with it

[novel yoke]

but honestly I did see someone else run a very similar build before and they were carrying, so Im pretty sure there is something good, I'm just not seeing it

[hearty wolf]

Again that's more QoL than combat that.

Not every weapon has a parry which in theory sounds good but it's actually kind of fucked up.

I find the more engaging action melee games have a parry and a dodge than can persist if you hit a wall lul.

The problem with parry in this game is that it's contingent on a target attacking you. So 1/4 chance unless you stand in a teammates path/bottlenecking.

And the enemy can't be cc'd

[strong gulch]

If you were doing better with other builds, it maybe worthwhile to go with meta and see if you improve a lot. Easier to fix build than other issues. A really good player can run meme builds and hard carry.

I don't want to rip your build apart. So I am going to zero in on 1 particular thing. You have Mind in Motion and no Malefic Momentum. This suggests that you aren't quelling or channeling / charging while sliding. If that's the case, you're leaving a lot of damage and mobility on the table.

Also what exactly are you having issues with? What keeps getting you.

[hearty wolf]

The game focuses more on prevention rather than action.

And I think if the action aspect was a little stronger, it would play better.

Somehow I'm getting that on Purg psyker because I have a 16m kill radius rather than sentenced to melee

It's actually 30m

Because I shriek a LOT through walls

Idk how much others abuse that

[strong gulch]

yes

[hearty wolf]

I think I shriek more through walls than the enemies I'm looking at because if they're at 15 stacks, they're already dead unless it's armour

[novel yoke]

I mean, smite and BB aren't all that great too, but I the only change I could think of to include more single target is maybe swapping from Dclaw to Dsword?

I'm trying to get the mastery on every weapon so that I have a feel for each of them and can be more lenient with whatever I'm playing with, this build was one experiment of that

[hearty wolf]

So might as well pull something else I can't see

[strong gulch]

Shriek is funny in havocs. Just casually double damage.

If this helps, the meta VB build is in the 3rd pin.

But like Sik said, trying to figure out what you like.

[hearty wolf]

I just thought

Of one thing

One blessing

That could make voidblast busted beyond all belief

But give it what it deserves

[novel yoke]

Yeah that's true, but I wasn't amazing with the other builds I was using either, it more like just okay.

True I was not quelling while sliding, I didn't even realize that was an option, thought I'd have to use my dodges

It kinda feels like I'm having issues w/ everything? It's always a different enemy that gets me each time

[strong gulch]

If it's just for mastery, then try the weapons like you said but then switch to something you actually like or that is optimized.

[ripe obsidian]

I mean the things covered in the video I linked. Audio and visual feedback (ignoring buggy audio for now), weight of hits, dodging versus blocking, staggering versus knocking down, the different levels of stagger, the visual/auditory difference between enemy attack patterns, and so on

[hardy coral]

Mk I devil claw attack pattern is actually doodoo.

[novel yoke]

I try to choose weapons first and talents second, but I will probably be switching to a different weapon the second I'm done with its mastery, and only really come back when I've finished the other weapons

[strong gulch]

Always slide, dodge, push, or block. Core staff play is slide and quell or channel then cast

Enemies are always trying to surround you. Having a good option for every enemy type is very helpful.

[hearty wolf]

The blessing would be something like "Warp lock" - either let you hold the right click so you can charge it even longer for an even bigger aoe and scaling damage.

Or enemies that are within the circle take more damage for that strike.

Imagine locking onto a boss for 30 seconds and BOOM

[novel yoke]

I mean I finished the mastery on the stuff I love first, like the force swords, they look cool and work well

[hearty wolf]

It's gone

[novel yoke]

I'm probably staying in the front too much, but after playing vet, ogryn and zealot, staying in the back is tough as nails

[strong gulch]

If you find some weapons aren't your preference or you hate them, you can buy greys, take them to green, then surrender them for master points. Weapons of the same family get you more points. This does take mats, but you can play what you like or change 1 thing so you don't have to struggle with a bunch of unfamilar tools.

[hearty wolf]

Ah.

I do think the stagger system is pretty well done but if it's a regression on Vermintide I feel. Vermintide gave you damage bonuses inherently on stagger which I thought was quite neat but perhaps tying damage and stagger together is a very poor system - it just felt more complex.

I think some weapons feel a bit too heavy or light. MK3 evis comes to mind now that it's slow as shit

[strong gulch]

With VB, just blast your feet.

[hearty wolf]

Zealot's kit in general. I don't know why but I've really begun hating the relic blade

Using it unpowered is giga cringe

[novel yoke]

this would be my first time making a build that uses the right side at all, so yeah

[fluid knot]

The other two are alright, but man they need to buff the MK1 into an armour-busting version

[strong gulch]

Right side is more for melee guns.

[novel yoke]

which one would be good for me to use? braced autogun?

I'd definitely have 0 way to deal with armor though

[hardy coral]

i tested it against Dh in the Arena, it actually can solo Dh with the build i use since it for some reason has the hardest hitting parry but in terms of killing everything else its horrible.

[strong gulch]

Recon, vraks 5, laspistol for guns and FGS for melee is the usual right side build

[hearty wolf]

Last I checked, all the parries did the same damage?

[novel yoke]

yup I'm familiar, I sacrifice weapons to their respective type from the mission rewards

cuz some weapons only get good with blessings

[strong gulch]

FGS, DS, knife, deimos, obscurus, etc are good vs armor.

[fluid knot]

The moveset is just so fuckin bad. Theres little to no reason to ever use it unless you're starting and its the only one you can get. MKIV is probably the best tho coz overhead push attack + overhead heavy followup

Though I do wish it had the poke push attack instead

[hearty wolf]

Deimos feels way too good

Like even heavy 1 into heavy 2

BONK then STAB

It's not a pole

Poke

You fucking pierce them

It should have cleave with how strong of jab it is

One of the best feeling weapons in the game imo

[ornate hamlet]

@smoky notch i have the pp sword,what should i put on it

[novel yoke]

true, I suppose ill get the melee mastery with an EK build or smth like that possibly

[strong gulch]

Just keep in mind that EK prefers a horde clear melee. VB and inferno prefer something better at single target.

[hearty wolf]

EK needs a buff against Cara imo

It wants a horde clear melee but it's shit at Cara and unyielding

Just feels like there's a hole in your build

That's how I feel anyway

[hardy coral]

Mk IV is my main but trying to parry the Dh took forever, i really want to at least try and make Mk I useful to an extent but i literally have to build around it.

[fluid knot]

It needs a whole new single target focused moveset

Thats the only way its ever gonna be good

One with stabby push attack, a heavy stab and a light stab with a smattering of overheads

[hardy coral]

its actually semi-impossible to make it viable actually... i cant go down the left hand tree when i get close to the end because im almost out of skill points so i cant even pick Warp Syphon to Warp battery if i want to use SG with it which makes it somewhat useful.

[ornate hamlet]

But but i put this other blessing,the block one i left uncanny

[cursive thorn]

when im in a goated competition and my opponent is fyrestone melee pskyer build

[ornate hamlet]

So i go deflection slaughter?

I am new sry i have no idea what these blessings do

[rancid jasper]

i thought rending was just a buff to the attack it was on and brittleness is the one you could put on enemies to buff dot?

[novel yoke]

Thanks a lot for the help!

[deft stump]

Except shovel, but that's vet only. XD

[glacial vapor]

How dare you.

Your turn to go dig the latrine trenches as punishment

[deft stump]

You still 2 special with decimator+skullcrusher.

On mk3.

Uncanny is the same.

Uncanny+skullcrusher.

[white valley]

It's the same stat, rending is just a buff that applies to you while brittleness is a debuff applied to enemies

[ornate hamlet]

I did try alot of melee weps on vet,i really like power sword

Shovel good on a vet?

[deft stump]

It works basically. Not the best, but also not useless.

Shovel is perfectly fine in aurics.

Just doesn't scale to the absolute BS in high Havocs.

[ripe obsidian]

Not with that attitude.

[deft stump]

Thus, I usually rate viability on auric or just damnation. Havoc is another... thing.

[ripe obsidian]

Would you say that Havoc is... havoc?

[fluid knot]

Shovel is super fun tho

[cursive thorn]

absolutely

what am i going to do with a power sword

i’ll take my trusty hellbore and mk1 shovel any day