psyker-class

[strong gulch]

I keep forgetting to do lmb SG in havocs. I want to be then head empty in loading lobby.

[mighty agate]

Smite my beloved

[marble crater]

What if we are not bad?

[bright summit]

I run this im a fellow sg electro apologist

[pale prairie]

But see again why is blast good? CC sure but also because you can get flame DOTs going with it. When health and armor make Break Points impossible the answer is DOTs

[mighty agate]

Maybe i had bad luck with people dunno

[pale prairie]

Then the class gets nerfed

[pale prairie]

Now show me your 360 no scope console peasant

[brazen compass]

Even I use Smite, it's very helpful when you know how to use it

[marble crater]

That's easy, I play EK

[pale prairie]

The lightning is good but occasionally it doesn’t target the rager sprinting at me quite vexing

[gray juniper]

I’m tired af using the meta and probably won’t play psyker in havocs until im just as pro with the blast staff or have a team that can actually take out gunners all the time

Sad part is a lot of these people have no horde control without you running inferno

[pale prairie]

Yeah which is nuts with how OP bully club melee Ogryn is

[bright summit]

Trauma staff is meta lmao

[brazen compass]

I genuinely mean this, kudos to you

[mighty agate]

That's why i start playing ogryn, tired of just purgatus
And when i take something else like voidblast they just confused

[brazen compass]

You play what's fun to you and that's the biggest thing that matters

It's fun and it gets results

There's nothing more to it

[gray juniper]

When it’s muscle memory on fastest method for killing crushers and reapers I’ll probably main it from then on. I have purge staff down to reflex at this point but not trauma

[bright summit]

That and ep bb electro and shriek ws electro is probably my most played builds recently lol ty

[brazen compass]

I know how to use the flame staff, and with that being said, I hate it

I use all of them but probably VB the most for Havoc

[pale prairie]

Gonna be honest. Don’t like trauma because it’s like playing with blinders on cause I am looking at the glowing circle in the ground the whole game

[bright summit]

LMB trauma staff also goes quite hard if you've never tried it

[brazen compass]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dropped-this-king-you-dropped-this-queen-you-dropped-this-you-dropped-this-king-meme-you-dropped-this-meme-gif-25206668

[gray juniper]

I’m not doing orgyn tho. That’s not for me and will probably make me lazy

[mighty agate]

BTW.
If i want to take electro staff on havoc i should focus on a primary or secondary?

[bright summit]

Primary

[pale prairie]

No I know I am saying it’s crazy that horde control is a problem with both that and so many arbies

[ripe obsidian]

I might be missing context. What do you mean primary vs secondary?

[pale prairie]

Whatever feels good to you BUT I feel strongly that it works best if you are creating fire DOTs all the time. PC, Creeping flames, etc

[bright summit]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f942841-4e82-4cf7-9aea-ef268667d34c/h40-staff-psyker-venting-shriek-brain-rupture-empowered-psionics?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Something like this

You can flex warp siphon but I don't have that build listed bc that's copying something that a friend of mine made lol

[mighty agate]

Primary/secondary shots

[pale prairie]

Interesting

[ripe obsidian]

Ah. Zappy > not-zappy

[brazen compass]

bip bap vs zip zap

[ripe obsidian]

LMB is fine on EK. RMB is better imo

[gray juniper]

It’s genuinely bad when you’re the last one up. I know each class has different stats and psyker is high on damage, but I think it shows a lack of class expertise when all of them go down before you

[still ingot]

oughh yeahhh

get they ass soonie

[bright summit]

Better safety but less output overall for RMB, scales worse with havoc density too

[gray juniper]

You’re not lying. It’s the easy carry syndrome

[still ingot]

i would never use EK again i fear

[fringe harbor]

is it worth running trauma staff for auric rotten armor event? I maxed out the build (called rat psyker on gameslantern). I looked at my damage and its half of an arbiter lmao. I wasn't doing animation cancels but don't think that would have changed things.

I might as well run flame unless my other psyker is flame.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-my-head-ryan-gosling-the-fall-guy-get-out-of-my-mind-nbc-gif-6370107830301536944

[still ingot]

i fear its the opposite

[gray juniper]

Rat comes in here sometimes. You probably have to follow the instructions in full for success using it

[pale prairie]

How many enemies did you stagger though? I bet you made it easy for the team if you were knocking the armor on its ass

[fringe harbor]

we had a leaver and there were too many mutants so think it was net negative impact unfortunately 😭

ill try again with the animation cancels

[pale prairie]

Maybe…

I mean certainly….

Right……?

[gray juniper]

Nah I want that kill credit

[brazen compass]

oh you're using Rat's build

[pale prairie]

Oh look at this green circle slut

[brazen compass]

It's an unorthodox build but it works

I believe his is Rending Trauma? In most cases soulblaze Trauma is better IMO (unless we're talking Havoc)

[gray juniper]

Also guys do you realize the rest of us not using keyboard and mouse know what LMB RMB does? I’m dead serious I think RMB may block or something

[fringe harbor]

is there a better option for auric difficulty? I don't really need warp charges for extra shields until havoc

[marble crater]

RMB doesn't block, they have mods for that sort of thing

[gray juniper]

Shamelessly sloring it

[pale prairie]

Soul blaze trauma is still good in havoc

[brazen compass]

It is, I use it

[marble crater]

RMB is LT though

[ripe obsidian]

Burninate the world.

[brazen compass]

I just don't wanna come across as saying 1:1 better, both are good and together they are genuinely broken

[gray juniper]

Yes use venting shriek for putting more damage on

[fringe harbor]

got it

[brazen compass]

Is it the only staff you enjoy using?

You might like the electro staff, it's much more snappy

[still ingot]

god i love shriek uptime

[fringe harbor]

nah i typically use flame staff, i just need another build in case someone else uses flame @brazen compass (since it doesn't stack?)

[marble crater]

EK my beloved (for auric)

[pale prairie]

Again my philosophy on havoc is that when breakpoints become meaningless because of armor and health buffs then DOTs become the answer especially with hyper dense hordes HENCE soul blaze trauma being better in havoc

[still ingot]

ek my beloved (h40)

[bright summit]

True

[still ingot]

high paws sis

[brazen compass]

I'm not disagreeing; I think especially out of the box with no synergy or coordination it's probably the better pick, all the more better if an Ogryn has Valuable Distraction or something else

[pale prairie]

You’re like @ripe obsidian and soulblaze stacks! SHAMELESS

[pale prairie]

Oh no problem if I didn’t make it clear that’s all my opinion

[gray juniper]

Nah I made two trauma staves for this purpose. One is the team player build. The other is the solo psyker soul blaze build

[brazen compass]

No no, you basically nailed on the head what I was getting at

[pale prairie]

Pffff there is no team play in here. There are only the yellow numbers golden like the glorious emperor and his throne

[brazen compass]

tbh? If someone else is using a flame staff then yeah, Rending VB is probably the best pairing

That combo is disgusting

One of these days I'll do a double flame/rending H40

[pale prairie]

And they won’t whine about having their soulblaze stacks messed with boohoo

[fringe harbor]

true

[brazen compass]

Bonus points because as a VB user, you get to hang back just a little farther away than the flame staff user who will be promptly dumpstered on by elites

[gray juniper]

We actually tend to do something like that when sin and potato want to havoc. It’s surprising how chill it seems in comparison with two psykers doing max damage. Even when potato uses EK it’s less dense

[pale prairie]

Unless they come from behind YOU. Nowhere is safe. I have even heard of bugged enemies just spawning from thin air and not from doors

[gray juniper]

Idk about everyone else but constant chaff horde harassment wears on my patience. I need them gone for peace of mind

[pale prairie]

It’s a smyker deterent

[pale prairie]

Anytime a team can actually fucking coordinate it’s a breeze

[brazen compass]

Also unlike the flame staff user, as a VB user you get personal CC

[pale prairie]

I like to roleplay selfish former convicts that don’t know shit about each other. /s

[gray juniper]

One thing I like about them is the supreme coordination. Rarely out of coherence also

[pale prairie]

And you can kill snipers

[pale prairie]

Really now? SIN stays with the team? I am surprised

He gives zealot energy

[gray juniper]

Well mostly. He gets bored easily sometimes

[mighty agate]

And zero vets, maybe i should start playing as veteran

[pale prairie]

Bring VOC and autogun. Yell, shoot, run out of ammo, win

[gray juniper]

I’m amazed so few arbites in all

[marble crater]

They are already in the mission, 5 rooms ahead

[gray juniper]

Oddly enough I’m usually seeing no psykers on the list or a single psyker lobby I feel like I’d get denied from lol

[brazen compass]

Played with one who mmediately left after he went down

[gray juniper]

Do try to keep up

[brazen compass]

In a H40

[pale prairie]

For professional police they suck at fully clearing rooms

[gray juniper]

Block and hack to fry his setup

[marble crater]

Zealot special

[gray juniper]

That’s legit the beginning of the map 😭

[brazen compass]

Funniest part was that he was like a clearance 29

[gray juniper]

He didn’t deserve the chance tbh

[brazen compass]

Normally I don't choose based on clearance level, I just go 1 of each class

[marble crater]

And yet he was already way ahead

[brazen compass]

If that's how he wanted to be? fr

[gray juniper]

If an arby doesn’t have a clearance level several above the current mission, I’ve stopped letting them in

[ripe obsidian]

Shame is for people without green circles

[pale prairie]

😭

[gray juniper]

If it’s havoc 35 or higher… we’ll just find out I guess

[marble crater]

Xbox has a lot of green circles, saved

[gray juniper]

The machine god left signs

[pale prairie]

Yeah I don’t think I screenshotted my best runs in Vt2 regrets

I will say this. Not having sprint did a lot for squad cohesion

[gray juniper]

Btw encourage the arby players to bring the shotgun or bolt pistol. Many are bringing the bolter and while I get it, it looks like you’re not that guy

Some vet brought focus target to vent purge so it should’ve been easy but none of the ranged guys were dying like they’re supposed to. Big think

[mighty agate]

Shotgun from arby the best
If they add weapon for vet like this shotgun im gonna main him

[gray juniper]

If the shotgun had a bigger mag it likely wouldn’t be fair

[marble crater]

Shot pistol my beloved

[gray juniper]

It’s ass on reload though

I changed the dump to mobility and it’s still not performing as fast as shotgun

[marble crater]

But you can have two shields

[gray juniper]

True

On advice from some hear and in game, I switched to the two handed maul. The damage on bosses and elites is nice

[brazen compass]

Good shooting for my plasma smokes build

[prime elk]

Yeah I mean shield is fairly balanced but arbi maul is busted

[ornate hamlet]

Ok is it me or psyker legit hardest class to play?

[prime elk]

In some ways perhaps

Skill ceiling is really high though

[ripe obsidian]

I've seen Ainz using the regular Agrip combat shotty a lot. Not that they're the baseline for the average player. I doubt I could execute it as well

[ripe obsidian]

It is. We were discussing this earlier. Unforgiving of mistakes, especially compared with reworked Ogryn and power-crept Arbitrator. But as Sirosky said, if you get enough practice, you will burninate the world.

[gray juniper]

Master veteran then psyker shouldn’t seem too bad

[zealous wing]

can confirm. started vet, then psyker, now my issue is zealot and ogryn are a slog to level up

shoulda saved the best for last

[mighty agate]

Dunno why but i find zealot the most boring for me

[ripe obsidian]

Shooting crushers is my one joy in life.

The plink of bullets bouncing off their armor

[strong gulch]

More forbidden candy.

[paper oriole]

I’d eat that

Looks sweet 👌

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chomp-bite-evil-attack-gif-9732871034071178390

[ripe obsidian]

What be they?

[strong gulch]

Waxes for wax seals. Melt em then stamp em.

[ripe obsidian]

Oh. I thought they might actually be candy

How disappointing

[hearty wolf]

It's kind of lick

like

"If I stay in coherency, it's an easy win and nothing interesting will happen because I save save my teammates from their mistakes and I can't clip farm"

And yet I seem to fail every clutch when I try to clip farm anyway so

Sometimes I win though

[paper oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-reality-is-often-disappointing-stone-infinity-stone-gamora-gif-14046382

[gray juniper]

That’s ok it’s interesting at least

[hearty wolf]

Still I have an Oubliette we are yet to win.

Oubliette is a map that requires people to press W

Is very hard when people

[strong gulch]

#psyker-class message

[hearty wolf]

@strong gulch Btw I've cooked an idea for Oubliette

For the tunnel of doom, the bosses should be pulled back to the end of the tunnel so specials can be dealt with easily. I'll stay under the stair cases while bosses pass

Now

This is where it gets great

[gray juniper]

I mean when the door opens a boss spawns outside the elevator. A boss spawns if you make in 40 feet. Several burgle must spawn if you’re in the narrow walkway area

[hearty wolf]

I can hold the staircase from ranged OR pull the bosses to the edge right by the stair case

=book

=win

For the part under the med station, gonna say again that it's wrong to stay down. People just collapse. It's easier to go up but you need to take the time for the boss to come down before curling around

[hearty wolf]

In case of Nurgle, I jump into its mouth. That way it's going to carry me BACKWARDS so team can advance

It's foolproof really

[gray juniper]

That’s the wildest

[strong gulch]

So wait for boss to come down, go up the stairs, bonk, then event.

[brazen compass]

tbf, I have some corruption res on my Ogryn

It's a viable strat when I know the BoN is gonna die quick

[strong gulch]

A plan for fools. So it's perfect for us.

[hearty wolf]

Yeah but while you're waiting for boss to come down, got to evaluate how we're going to escape. Is it going to be as easy as just going up the other staircase or do you need to do a circuit. Also likely will need 1 ult at the top of the staircases for the gunner spawns.

[strong gulch]

Mild troll has proven to be a winning strat before.

[hearty wolf]

Got an exam thing to do

Could be funny to do 1 attempt

[brazen compass]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-rub-hands-patrick-star-evil-plan-gif-15072939

[ripe obsidian]

Do work/exam/whatever first

Or else.

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-ice-king-wizards-only-fools-gif-7921961089981693231

https://hakenofficial.bandcamp.com/track/aquarium

Musicks

[strong gulch]

I was stuck only a loading screen for a long time. So I thought, if I try to get evidence by recording, the game will stop what's it's doing just like a cat. I hit record and the game loaded. I was right.

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[upper sun]

pressing caps lock reduced load times by 50% in xcom

this is bullshit but i believe it 100%

[mighty minnow]

anyone got a link to a good meta havoc psyker build?

[upper sun]

🚬 you know what else reduces load times? deleting all the fucking movies/intros/cenimatics from civ

[tulip kettle]

📌

[mighty minnow]

awesome

[ripe obsidian]

Sassy answer: Psyker is bad in havoc, didn't you hear?
Actual answer: the pins hold glory.

[strong gulch]

I should add a proper havoc post. Maybe when my brains are better, I'll do it. There's other sections to add too.

[ripe obsidian]

I can help, if you want. Proofreading or filling in sections to the best of my ability.

[strong gulch]

Proof reading for sure. lmao

I am quite bad in that area

[mighty minnow]

theres like a lot of brain burst builds, do you actually use brain burst much or is it like just a shorter way to get to the nodes you want?

[strong gulch]

but gaps too

[strong gulch]

Blitz isn't used that much, but BB helps with range that inferno doesn't have. Part of it pathing for PA. The main wait BB gets used is with KF.

[ripe obsidian]

In Havoc, BB is picked mostly for KF. The passive burst damage is really helpful for procing things like PA and PC. If you're using Inferno, BB can also be very helpful for dealing with specials or elites your team isn't focusing (when you have no horde to kill) or for picking off Gunners who are 50m away across a gap.

[hearty wolf]

Kf genuinely broken

Needs to be an entire write up of how stupid of a fucking node it is

[weary idol]

https://fximgur.com/a/qWhxq1b

play gun psyker just kill everything

https://fximgur.com/a/72P6thn

[candid temple]

that's a lot of sword swinging for "gun psyker"

[woeful sigil]

I feel like "gun psyker" doesn't even mean anything anymore

since hes just a melee class

[patent jacinth]

Gun psyker is just melee psyker that takes tranquility through slaughter

[weary idol]

it's a colloquialism for right tree psyker builds

[woeful sigil]

why even gun psyker when you can voidblast knockdown crushers tho

[weary idol]

FGS poke them in the face kill them

[candid temple]

unchained tree for psyker when?

[patent jacinth]

Right side

Its literally right there

[candid temple]

ehh, it's not as as a real unchained tree would be

[patent jacinth]

Yeah, its better than unchained

[proper osprey]

Right side my beloved

[patent jacinth]

by a lot

[proper osprey]

I just need a force fail

Or force dagger

[patent jacinth]

Fire sword for epic infinite cleave + DoT heavy 1 spam

[weary idol]

force dagger but it keeps the funny push attack spam for insane movement

[proper osprey]

Make it do 3 stacks of sb on hit

Or sum

[patent jacinth]

Just a little soulblaze as a treat

[weary idol]

and then give it blazing spirit

[gray juniper]

Anyone ever get storm related headaches? This one is killing me today

[proper osprey]

That my 2nd brain growing

[patent jacinth]

I feel like atmospheric pressure shouldn't act that hard on your head

[upper sun]

you have allergies dawg

[patent jacinth]

Unless its a stupidly big storm

[woeful sigil]

void blast for your arbitrator if they got the staggered damage buff perk tho

[gray juniper]

Yes I’d guess so. What’s the treatment?

[upper sun]

going to the doctor

if thats not an option

get purified water an nasal flush thingy

[gray juniper]

The sky is refusing to bust instead of just rain outright and that’s the only time it’s bad

[gray juniper]

I can do that yea. My doc seems to genuinely be concerned about issues just other things to handle before this

[gray juniper]

Yea the netty pot thing would probably help a lot. I need to remember to get one

Ty frens

[upper sun]

make sure to use purified water

or boil it and let it cool before at least

putting tap water up there could be bad

are you american?

[proper osprey]

Vb is fun until you get the inferno staff

[pale prairie]

Yeah tap water through a netty pot is how you get brain infections

[gray juniper]

Yes

No I don’t want fluoride or metals in my nose either

[tulip kettle]

....

flouride in water is fine. its literally fine

next youre gonna be talking about calcifid pinal glands and lizard people

[upper sun]

yeah i was gonna say ask the doctor to give you iv fluids

they give us those in my country for nose rinsing

[deft stump]

Drinking is one thing. Nose rinse is another, lul.

[upper sun]

but thats prolly gonna be 9000000 usd

[gray juniper]

Man you guys are treated well. Where is that?

[upper sun]

middle east

[gray juniper]

I doubt the doc here would let IVs be taken home. They’re weird about that

[upper sun]

theyre not that expensive

insurance wont let it happen tho

https://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/2013/08/27/the-secret-of-salines-cost-why-a-1-bag-can-cost-700

yea

fun times

[gray juniper]

See what I mean

It’s just purified salt water

[deft stump]

Profit.

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.npr.org/2024/12/13/nx-s1-5224138/calgary-removed-fluoride-from-its-water-supply-a-decade-later-its-adding-it-back

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/06/30/world/canada/calgary-fluoride-water-canada.html

"A study in 2021 from the University of Calgary compared the dental health of about 2,600 children with a similar group in Alberta’s capital, Edmonton, where the water remained fluoridated. In the Calgary group, about 65 percent of the children developed one or more cavities, while in Edmonton, that number was about 55 percent."

I like citing sources.

[mighty minnow]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9fa0daf0-aa7e-4271-98c6-91ae92d77f92/havoc-flame-staff

made my own build based on a few others, thoughts?

No idea what melee to use with it so left it blank

[ripe obsidian]

Change damage v elites to damage v flak on Inferno

Due to how Soulblaze works

[mighty minnow]

makes sense

[ripe obsidian]

+1 wound actually makes you weaker

[mighty minnow]

like cuz you don't get another 17% toughness or some other game mechanic I don't know about

[ripe obsidian]

Health stims heal 50% or 1 wound, whichever is less. So having 3 wounds means the green stim heals less. Also, corruption healing stuff will only heal to the current wound.

[mighty minnow]

ah fair enough

[ripe obsidian]

So if you have 3 wounds, Zealot aura or Vet healkit will only get you up 1/3 at most rather than 1/2

[deft stump]

Just get hp over wounds. Or toughness.

[ripe obsidian]

Quietude is typically considered better than Warp Expenditure for the reason that Soulstealer and Mettle give you toughness for creating peril, while Quietude gives you toughness when not attacking. I personally don't like either, but that is the common wisdom

Souldrinker is a better talent than many people give it credit for, but the 3-point tax to get it is quite expensive. You could use those 3 points to get Empathic Evasion and Warp Rider, for example, which will have a larger impact in most situations.

[deft stump]

Quietude is more for when panic venting in ways. Instant chunk of toughness back. Is a nice passive restore unless you are karking up somewhere.

[ripe obsidian]

I'm not a huge fan of Essence Harvest, but I think it's probably a fine node. My issue is that it's unreliable more than anything.

[ripe obsidian]

It's a miniscule amount

Shriek gives 22.5 toughness on my build if I use Quietude. It gives 4.5 toughness per 10 peril quelled, so maybe 9 toughness at a time.

[mighty minnow]

for soul drinker I actually just like the 5% toughness damage reduction nodes a lot so its really only like one wasted node to get there

[ripe obsidian]

If I have Empathic Resolve, it drops down to ~3 toughness per tick

[ripe obsidian]

What difficulty are you currently playing?

[mighty minnow]

like low 20s Havoc

[deft stump]

Not really, might mean surviving or blep after you hit vent. To be fair, the builds I use it on are... hilariously freaky peril up down types.

[strong gulch]

It's immediate and you can control exactly when it happens.

[deft stump]

And suddenly +50% peril thanks lag.

[strong gulch]

but yes smol

[ripe obsidian]

Ah. Something I advise looking at is a +15 toughness node versus the +5% TDR. You'd need a lot of toughness for 5% to be a better effective gain than the flat +15. And that +15 scales with curios.

[ripe obsidian]

If I am remembering correctly, melee attacks do % damage to health based on toughness remaining. So a vent followed by a melee attack would reduce damage taken by maybe 25%, which might save you. Versus gunners or gas, it's like 1 additional tick alive.

I think Quietude is fine, but I don't believe it's good

[deft stump]

Gunners, I hold block.

[eternal crown]

so uh i kinda need some help with the malleus monstronum penance anyone down to help me with it?

[mighty minnow]

is in fire reborn necessary or do you kill enough specials and elites that warp battery would just be better?

[deft stump]

It's really just a nice node. Nothing super good but still nice.

[strong gulch]

@ripe obsidian I didn't feck up with these havoc talent trees did I? I have some notes written elsewhere. Like possibly dropping Mettle and Perfect timing for rending VB due to low crits.

[ripe obsidian]

Highly recommend In Fire Reborn

[deft stump]

Which server? Very important since EU been extra spicy for me recently.

[ripe obsidian]

If I had 2 more points, I might pick it. Maybe. I'd probably take Warp Battery and +15 toughness instead, though

[eternal crown]

ye well euw

[ripe obsidian]

I will look in a moment

[strong gulch]

IFR for inferno over warp battery. Warp charges are mainly for CDR (cool down reduction) if you are using your ability before 5 warp charges, then warp battery isn't doing much.

[deft stump]

Too much taxes the joke?

[rancid jasper]

10% melee speed is handy though tbf

[deft stump]

Ah, could try, but might get bad if we have to poke DH.

[eternal crown]

is it possible to start the mission with two people tho?

[deft stump]

2 is min.

[ripe obsidian]

It's not bad. But what are you giving up?

[ripe obsidian]

I wasn't making a joke. I just really dislike Quietude

[eternal crown]

are you playing on steam?

[ripe obsidian]

I don't think I use Mettle or Perfect Timing on Rending VB. Lemme look

[deft stump]

Yep. But you can just invite via Fatshark code.

[deft stump]

Is just taste.

[eternal crown]

oh so how do i do that?

[deft stump]

EU seems okay atm.

[ripe obsidian]

I'd probably use it more on non-Soulblaze builds. Lingering soulblaze gives a ton of toughness with Soulstealer

[deft stump]

Social, Find player (press X or listed button for controller), input the numbers in my name there.

[deft stump]

Is why is on vent assail or funni psyker tank.

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I don't have Mettle/Perfect Timing. Since Mettle got changed, it's probably not terrible on Rending? Not sure of the crit rate, though. Perfect Timing lasts so long that it should be up regardless.

I appear to have put my two flex nodes into Warp Battery and a +15 node. Not sure about warp battery, though, since rending gets fewer kills, and psychic vampire is not as good as IFR.

Somehow, I doubt this was obtained legitimately

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuPV1yqgOuY

This is Agent's rending build, for reference

[strong gulch]

Not too different that my thoughts. I can't use the uptime mod to properly check, but some of the footage I watch of my gameplay I had 2 stacks of percfect timing and lost them a lot.

PT used to stack in one trauma blast, but it doesn't anymore. You have to get them one at a time now. Rending VB has pretty low crit chance. If PT still functioned like it used to, then I'd say keep it.

[ripe obsidian]

Mettle still stacks to full/give toughness for every enemy hit in one crit, but it appears to be a 12.5% crit chance, at least in my build.

So 1/8 chance of mettle doing anything

[strong gulch]

Ok. So the same as what I've been running. I'm just gonna make a different graphic and dump the toughness nodes into it.

[ripe obsidian]

Become tuff

[strong gulch]

ye but blasts are fairly slow

mettle might be worth keeping but PF is ehhh on rendi VB

[pale prairie]

I still don’t have the true level mod

[deft stump]

You know the old exploit.

XP curios used to stack on deaths, so just keep seppuku and inf % boost to exp.

[pale prairie]

I forgot those existed

Would have been super smart to have those on my Ogryn to level up

[deft stump]

But oggy. They shrimple.

[pale prairie]

Yeah I was roleplaying to the max

[deft stump]

See, better mindset.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/deadpool-maximum-effort-deadpool-movie-wade-wilson-ryan-reynolds-gif-127326952416448568

[deft stump]

Ooooo... got something on market worth 27 for 2.7.

[deft stump]

Heh.

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/stonks-meme-gif-16107418

[pale prairie]

I do like support tauntgryn. The gameplay is very fun just saying no to enemies. I can’t quite carry with it though like psyker

[deft stump]

Stonks, yes. Also looks shiny.

[celest quail]

Heads up for any fans of the Great Angel, our lord Sanguinius: there’s less than 200 of the limited edition displates for sale. I can link to it, just didn’t wanna break any rules.

[deft stump]

But I usually die from accidents with rubberbanding into instadeaths.

[pale prairie]

Sorry sah cannot shout taunt at the servahs sah

[deft stump]

Clearly they need to make friends with Paul, right?

[pale prairie]

That reference is far too meta for me

[ripe obsidian]

I did not know

[deft stump]

Power Maul. Is the least brutal, right?

[pale prairie]

Okay that makes sense. Duuuuuh

[deft stump]

Servers need a whack.

Also, this this gud or should I sell and profit? Second is with an old cache which I use.

[ripe obsidian]

What is it?

[deft stump]

The shoulders.

[ripe obsidian]

This does not enlighten me

[deft stump]

Yeah, that minor thing is $27 on market.

[ripe obsidian]

I don't even know what game this is

[deft stump]

Is DOTA2, lmao.

[deft stump]

SF has 3 slots for cosmetics, Head, shoulders and arms. Head is Arcana, Arms is immo. Shoulders is a free slot. Unless they added new stuff since I haven't played in awhile.

I used to trade a lot... profitz.

[pale prairie]

Would it surprise you I started Billy club and then just beelined to shield lmao didn’t even try the other stuff

[pale prairie]

I have no idea about the market lmao

[deft stump]

Oh, lul. About the same. I messed around a little with other things but eh.

[deft stump]

Normal. Most people don't really need to when they can just buy what they want.

[pale prairie]

I dabbled in TF2 sales and CSGO for a bit

So I know shiny knife skin values

But not dota2 heroes

[deft stump]

Oh. I did a tiny bit of TF2, then just dumped for keys and traded for games.

[pale prairie]

Hahahaha

[deft stump]

More, cosmetics for them.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/chicago-fire-stella-kidd-pure-profit-profit-business-gif-2119575319580627971

[pale prairie]

Used to run spy with some OP gadgets that let me kill someone and take their appearance and gamer tag and a special watch that let me fake my death. Would just camp hallways and spray titty graphics on the wall. Without fail people would stop to stare and I would murder them and start my streak

The good old days

[deft stump]

I spray yuri, and then drop turret somewhere near.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-butcher-gif-9581937692910259251

Using Yuri for evil

[ripe obsidian]

He's William Club, thank you very much

[pale prairie]

Nah he lets me call him Billy cause I don’t want him to be neutered into the ground by fat shark

But secretly I do

[ripe obsidian]

I want the shield to be better

Ogryn shield is the only melee weapon I enjoy on the class

[deft stump]

Sounds like same reason smaul and shield gud.

[pale prairie]

it is the best but if they want to buff i will not say no

[ripe obsidian]

I don't like smaul and shield

It's good, I just don't like it

[pale prairie]

smaul and shield?

is this arbites?

[ripe obsidian]

Arby shield

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/lilo-and-stitch-disney-lilo-stitch-hiss-gif-3562813

[deft stump]

Am annoyed they did not let Vet have it.

Vewy, VEWY annoyed.

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/sorry-who-rohit-shetty-pinkvilla-who-is-it-what's-the-name-gif-11602684487777858024

---- Fatshark probably

[deft stump]

.-.

[ripe obsidian]

If Fatshark buffs veteran, you'll be too powerful

[pale prairie]

actually I think she could be trusted with such great power. its the others that couldn't be

[tribal hornet]

how much resilience and health should psyker have?

at 30lvl

[deft stump]

Wot.

[deft stump]

You all just want to be stared at.

[ripe obsidian]

Your power is only contained by maining the weakest class.

[weary idol]

200+ health, 170+ toughness

[ripe obsidian]

I assume that's Auric?

[weary idol]

200+ health is for havoc

so poxbursters don't outright kill you

[ripe obsidian]

this was 11 minutes. We did not win.

[ripe obsidian]

I'm sorry, how are you getting 200+ health in havoc without giving up all your toughness curios?

[weary idol]

that's not the point

200+ health for havoc means that after health reductions in havoc poxbursters no longer outright kill you

[ripe obsidian]

...are you saying 200+ HP, then account for Havoc reductions?

Because if so, that's not clear at all

And if so, I have 197 HP pre-health reduction, and bursters don't 1-bop me.

[weary idol]

sorry for 2 poxbursters

I am very tired

[ripe obsidian]

I don't think 2 kill me either

I will test.

I am wrong

But it's not close enough that 3 more HP would make a difference

200 would keep you alive against 2 bursters in Auric, though. Or 2 snipers.

[deft stump]

WDYM? I suck at the game.

[pale prairie]

geeeeez warpfire is crazy

[ripe obsidian]

No.

[ripe obsidian]

Yes. Why say you this?

[pale prairie]

because of the weakest class

[pale prairie]

just commenting on something you posted I can refrain from engagement if that is your aim

[deft stump]

Yes, I suck at the game.

[deft stump]

No, any class.

[ripe obsidian]

Engage as thy will. I just didn't realize you were talking about something I did

[pale prairie]

UwU

[ripe obsidian]

No self-bullying.

And no saying "it's not bullying, it's the truth"

[pale prairie]

hahaha i was impressed thats alot of pumps in just like 11 fucking minutes. less because you have to get to first area

[pale prairie]

no

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/checkmate-check-mate-got-em-gif-6408903245572515122

[ripe obsidian]

Helps when two teammates are dead for half of it. And Shriek is pretty goofy

[pale prairie]

fuck yeah shriek inferno

You sir have pendoulous balls

[ripe obsidian]

I ended up getting Pogryn'd off a ledge after the team died around me

[deft stump]

But it is the truth! I don't need to lie about it.

[ripe obsidian]

Most of that mission was me running from ragers and a different pogryn

[ripe obsidian]

You play H40.

[pale prairie]

Yeah but He could feel your scorn

[deft stump]

Yes, I can be bad at any class.

[pale prairie]

could be but aren't. you are well above average

[deft stump]

On book zealot.

[ripe obsidian]

H40 is hard on any class and build, regardless what people say.

[weary idol]

so sad I hope you get better

[deft stump]

I get carried by like two of the best psyker mains as well.

[ripe obsidian]

No contributing to bullying Karien. She does it to herself enough

[deft stump]

Guy hates chorus.

[weary idol]

it's true

[ripe obsidian]

And those same two can't carry me

I have never won an H40 with Syllogism and Agent

[deft stump]

I dunno, I just book.

[deft stump]

Maybe the third isn't helping? I know they have a harder time if the third is questionable.

[ripe obsidian]

Or maybe... you're not bad at the game

[deft stump]

I am bad, we all know that. It's not just the lag.

[strong gulch]

Things of note for high havoc and talent suggestions. Ultimately, the build needs to work for you.

The meta is inferno or VB (Voidblast) with bubble and a melee for single target. Bubble is all of the dome talents including sanctuary.

It's worthwhile to slot in EE. It helps mitigate the increased dangers of ranged enemies and allows you to play more aggressively. Some options to give up are Quietude or Soulstealer. Figure out for yourself which is the better pick for you; most of the folks I've spoken to prefer to dump Quietude (myself included). Soulstealer offers a lot of toughness gen and can refill your bar while blocking or kiting as enemies die from SB. Quietude offers non combat related toughness gen when you want it and can make gas a little more survivable. Please note that with ER and worse quelling in havoc makes Quietude offer minimal toughness generation; even so, some prefer quietude over Soulstealer. Info on Wildfire if you're thinking about dropping it. #psyker-class message

If you want VB instead of inferno, I recommend fire VB. It does more damage vs rending flurry VB, has more SB that can drive KF and PC procs, and makes longer range blasts more forgiving.

If there is already an inferno user on the team, go with the rending VB route. Do this not just because of the way SB ownership works, but in particular because of how SB caps work. Because of havoc's worse quelling, VB's higher peril gen, and rending VB being less point hungry, this is a rare moment that BM is a helpful pick. Due to low crit chance, you're not getting the most out of Mettle or Perfect Timing; +15 toughness nodes might be worth taking instead. This build supports another psyker, so switching to Kinetic Presence is not a bad idea (auras don't stack).

Inferno
flak + unyielding / crit chance
blaze away + nexus

Fire VB
flak + crit chance
nexus + blazing spirit

Rending VB
flak + cara
rending shockwave + flurry

[ripe obsidian]

You're bullying yourself.

[deft stump]

Nope, just stating the blunt, honest truth.

[ripe obsidian]

Lies. Blasphemy.

Prevarication.

[deft stump]

Nope. Am not trying to skirt around anything. Is just exactly what I said.

[ripe obsidian]

Why do you think you're bad?

[deft stump]

Because I am. If scoreboards meant anything, I basically do nothing but eat hits.

I just exist for passives.

Anyone could do the same.

[ripe obsidian]

I don't believe the first point, and the last point is patently false

[deft stump]

Though they really should not go all in on HP.

55 toughness in H40 is really spicy.

[deft stump]

You know the first point is backed up by literally every scoreboard posted.

[tribal hornet]

damn smth goes wrong

i have +200hp and 120 toughness

xD

[ripe obsidian]

I have literally not seen that

[deft stump]

It's not the first time someone posted scoreboards. I eat over 1k damage, sometimes not going down/dying. I exist to make blight go away and give everyone more crits, though doesn't seem to help much. And we all know the passive TDR proc thing is a joke on Zealot. Technically works on allies so eh.

[ripe obsidian]

I do wish you would be kinder to yourself

[plucky flax]

No she gets more power the more damage she inflicts upon herself.

True martyr.

[strong gulch]

Ok. There is now a havoc post and I made the non-VS pinned builds a little more consistent. I also added a little info on the core gameplay loop, but that part is sparse. I can only fit so many characters.

[tulip kettle]

Looks good 🙂

[strong gulch]

Thanks.

Writing is difficult. Brains are like, "wtf is this??? Organized thoughts? You want correct diction?? Ugh no I give up."

[plucky flax]

Half way special event solo anyone wanna join?

[pale prairie]

just finished one where all three arbies disconnected waited at the ship and only one came back T.T

[strong gulch]

laoding

[pale prairie]

Looks awesome thanks for all your work!

[plucky flax]

[strong gulch]

Thanks

Also gg Agent

[pale prairie]

The event is brain dead easy for shieldgryn

[strong gulch]

I should go to bed, there a 40 min video to watch

[plucky flax]

On arby it's the most busted.

With the shock maul.

[pale prairie]

Shock mines and dog bruh

[plucky flax]

Just cos the charge from arby has such short cdr.

[pale prairie]

Crazy the CC. Those cans have no chance

[plucky flax]

Just chain stun all the elites.

[ripe obsidian]

Does that mean they're cannots?

[pale prairie]

Yes

🫡

It’s like the English Kuhniggghts

[ripe obsidian]

Go away, or I shall taunt you a second time

[pale prairie]

YOUR FATHER WAS A HAMSTER AND YOUR MOTHER SMELLED OF ELDERBERRIES

[tulip kettle]

tis a silly place.

[ripe obsidian]

Go and boil your bottom, sons of a silly person.

[pale prairie]

What else floats?

[ripe obsidian]

Small rocks?

[pale prairie]

Yes!

And???

[ripe obsidian]

Churches!

[pale prairie]

God I forgot about that response

“Lead!”

[ripe obsidian]

It is a very silly movie

[strong gulch]

She turned me in a newt!!

[ripe obsidian]

A newt?

[strong gulch]

I got better.

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker chat Holy Grail watch party when?

[strong gulch]

It's been a long time since I've seen it.

[ornate hamlet]

I have 80h on vet,i was chilling in auric maelstroms,with psyker I struggle on heresy

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker is not easy

[plucky flax]

Its the worst class for a reason.

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/incrediboy-incredibles-poster-throw-syndrome-gif-17947237037189380740

[humble bobcat]

is there a talent tree somewhere i can follow, using inferno staff and greatsword rn

[ripe obsidian]

Check the pins.

[ornate hamlet]

I struggle with armored folks

[plucky flax]

Because psyker bad.

[hearty wolf]

Or just press F with shriek and they all die

Most broken damage ultimate 😭

[ornate hamlet]

Shriek?

F?

I am on console,we use thumbs

[hearty wolf]

Don't know what a console is

Is that some kind of pc? 😭

[topaz lichen]

Console is the little text box interface you can bring up on pc when you need nitty gritty stuff

[hearty wolf]

I played on consoles for the first 16y of my life of so but man.

There's games like Darktide which I just wouldn't or couldn't play

Or faster FPS based games like DOOM

I tried DOOM 2016 on my steam deck and it felt like playing Vet

[ornate hamlet]

Oh no the superior potato pc guys don't know what chill console is

[graceful arch]

I think it's mostly known as a commandline

But I don't know about it I just like to sniff glue.

[jovial juniper]

Devious line

[strong gulch]

I deleted my level 15 vet. Mr. Body was well named. He got repeatedly bodied in the library with a pipe wrench.

[humble bobcat]

should i wait until level 30 to start crafting?

[deft stump]

Nu. At min, is just being a failure in the Asian mindset.

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[deft stump]

That's fairly normal. Is why I just stay in heresy-damnation on psyker. Not really good at it.

[visual phoenix]

Big sneeze

[quartz barn]

Lies, my goat would never claim they're not good

[deft stump]

Right bumper.

[marble crater]

D-pad up

[deft stump]

But I am not good.

[marble crater]

Stop gaslighting people

[deft stump]

Is not gaslighting, just truth.

[marble crater]

That's what they always say

[deft stump]

Depends on topic, but for sure on that.

[zealous wing]

i've discovered the appeal of gunwielding psyker

is that a good thing, or a bad thing, for later difficulties from malice/heresy? i have a habit of making bad habits

[marble crater]

It's a good thing if you are good, if you are bad you will have a bad time, because gun psyker is double glass cannon

[zealous wing]

double how? ammo requirements?

[marble crater]

Glass cannon as in dealing a lot of damage but also being in danger of just dying

[zealous wing]

average psyker day

[glacial vapor]

You're frontlining a class that can be killed by a stiff breeze

It isn't easy

[ripe obsidian]

Good gunkers are very impressive.

[deft stump]

Gunker, not meleeker.

[marble crater]

Same thing

[zealous wing]

main issue is, its usually just my spouse and i in a private group, so i need something with good ranged firepower when he goes down, currently testing the quickdraw stub revolver, assail or deimos can take most else out if necessary in those cases where im all thats left

[deft stump]

Kinda but not.

[zealous wing]

i have a bad habit of stabbing reapers and bulwarks in the face

[quartz barn]

Thats a good thing

[deft stump]

Different mindset.

[deft stump]

What's the issue with that?

[quartz barn]

You just need the mobility skill to do it while taking minimal dmg

[zealous wing]

if im the only one alive, theres usually a bulwark i didnt see

[glacial vapor]

Stabbing Reapers isn't always the wisest thing

[deft stump]

Shush.

[zealous wing]

it does stun them enough to kill them quick

it works fine, until... it doesnt

gun safer

[deft stump]

You are now mincemeat then.

[ripe obsidian]

Gunner resist, my beloved

[quartz barn]

But reaper

[zealous wing]

deflector my beloved

[quartz barn]

Where reaper resist

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodborne-ludwig-my-true-mentor-my-guiding-moonlight-moonlight-gif-20321022

[ripe obsidian]

That is

[glacial vapor]

Gunner res does resist reapers

[ripe obsidian]

Gunner resist

[quartz barn]

Hmm guess i got conditioned too much

[deft stump]

Changes how fast you die from before a blink to after a blink.

[quartz barn]

H40 reapers kill you in 0.2 sec anyway

[zealous wing]

i usually throw a bubble down around them, or wait in cover until their gun jams, at least in malice, and worked ok in heresy

[ripe obsidian]

I'll still take effectively 2x hp and toughness against gunners and reapers

[zealous wing]

havoc is a whole can of worms i havent touched yet

[ripe obsidian]

It is wormy. Particularly if it's the slime modifier

[glossy ember]

ok so i wasn't crazy, surge staff m2 quick cancelling was very different from what I remembered. Needed to download a "guarantee weapon swap" mod to make it work like it used to

[ripe obsidian]

Or be like me and be far too lazy to swap cancel

[deft stump]

Worm? No, it's like getting eaten by a GUO. Pray you have a beacon zealot to be your guiding light through it... Wait... kark.

[glossy ember]

it's not fun without hte swap cancel

[ripe obsidian]

I don't agree with that opinion, but it's valid I suppose

[ripe obsidian]

My true mentor, my guiding moonlight

[glossy ember]

my issue is before (back when i played) you could swap while holding M2, while now without the mod you gotta unhold m2 after letting go to swap otherwise it doesn't work

[glossy ember]

tastes and colors

"unhold" im very english

[deft stump]

That's your FGS!

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh I don't think I have tried EK swap cancel for like a year or more

I only did LMB quell cancel because it was goofy

[ripe obsidian]

It's not blue enough

[glossy ember]

feels really bad unmodded now

🙁

actually a struggle with that extra action you gotta take to do it properly

you can't just piano the input

[ripe obsidian]

I get it.

I have Skitarius for some interactions to save my hands

Like LMB spam is one of my extra mouse buttons

[glossy ember]

oh yeah that is super useful

[ripe obsidian]

It's a shame console players can't get mods

[deft stump]

Well, imagine it bluer!

[glossy ember]

at the very least they probably can circumvent some stuff by buying a gamepad that lets them use macros

[ripe obsidian]

But honestly, whenever I see someone with a console icon and H40, I picture that trope-y scene of someone dropping training weights before a fight. Think it was in DBZ?

[deft stump]

You can controller on PC.

[glossy ember]

https://tenor.com/view/picollo-removing-dbz-helmet-heavy-gif-11358792

[jovial juniper]

You mean

Rock Lee

https://tenor.com/view/rock-lee-weights-naruto-chunin-exams-flex-gif-26433140

[ripe obsidian]

But why would you?

I only use a controller for like 3 games, and mostly because their KBM support is bad.

Elden Ring, Outer Wilds, and some metroidvania

[deft stump]

Beats having the table space where you need 9 flicks to spin around once.

[jovial juniper]

A real Yakuza.....

[ripe obsidian]

Sure

[ripe obsidian]

Up your mouse sensitivity!

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/dragonball-weights-weighted-weighted-gear-goku-gif-12959491

[deft stump]

It's already 1250.

Or 2400 on sniper mode.

[ripe obsidian]

I think mine is like 3200 DPI. =|

[deft stump]

I get motion sickness trying to go higher than 2800.

[marble crater]

Up it to 2799 then

[deft stump]

Like a drunk brawler effect.

All the tearing coumpounded.

[quartz barn]

Lower your fov too

[deft stump]

All the smearing.

[marble crater]

1 FOV?

[ripe obsidian]

Smearing heretics across the walls!

[quartz barn]

Motion blur + lens flare + ambient occlusion + film grain

[deft stump]

No. DLSS induced smearing.

[marble crater]

I used half of those in Cyberpunk, just made sense for that game

[deft stump]

I have motion blur off, still blurs.

[quartz barn]

Because cyberpunk was the ray tracing pr

Being able to run that game with everything enabled is still considered an achievement lmao

[marble crater]

From Crisis to Cyberpunk

[ripe obsidian]

Cyberpunk on High runs better on my PC than Darktide on low/medium

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

DT optimisations is non-existent.

Is the only game that 100% my cpu.

[ripe obsidian]

Optimization is not sanctioned by the Machine God.

[deft stump]

That I own anyway.

Which might explain why boxes causes stutters.

[ripe obsidian]

Darktide does the same for me. Not maxing my processor, but like 70%-90% CPU usage and 40% or less GPU

[deft stump]

Me, obviously. Ninth gen i7. To upgrade requires a new PC I can't afford.

Motherboard only accepts 8th-9th gen Intel.

Best I can do is save for even better RAM to compensate.

[marble crater]

That doesn't sound like it makes sense

[ripe obsidian]

Darktide just really prefers the CPU.

[deft stump]

You can look up the board, it literally only takes those gen chips.

[marble crater]

I mean the part about the RAM

[ripe obsidian]

I have an i9 10850k, which should have zero trouble but darktide still uses most of it

[deft stump]

Oh, that. It helps with CPU... but like a 5% boost at best.

[ripe obsidian]

Weird thing, when I had to RMA my nice RAM, my FPS in most games dropped by half while I was using old RAM. Only thing I could guess was that my GPU was offloading stuff to the RAM because Nvidia is stingy with VRAM

[marble crater]

Damn Nvidia

[ripe obsidian]

3080

10gb, I believe

[marble crater]

Instead you could also remove your bad RAM sticks and only keep the two good ones, stop using 4 mixed sticks

[ripe obsidian]

In an odd turn of events, I have become less knowledgeable about PC hardware as I have gotten deeper into IT.

[deft stump]

It changes nothing. The board is locked to 2667hz.

When you only have 8gb.

[cold geode]

Doesn't work like that unfortunately. DDR is way slower than GDDR for graphics related tasks. It's why igpus suck for gaming.

[deft stump]

Turning on XMP to get higher lead to pc not booting as expected.

[marble crater]

You need to steal a new board and CPU

[deft stump]

My monitor alone locks it to 1080.

[ripe obsidian]

I thought I read something about it, but I can't recall. Either way, I wasn't expecting worse RAM to be a 50+ FPS hit

[cold geode]

Nvidia is stingy with vram as a way to gate ai researchers/companies from buying cheap gaming gpus for their work. Forcing them into 6 and 10 thousand dollar setups.

[deft stump]

I did it manually, board said nope. 2667hz.

Is rated for 3600hz.

[glossy ember]

unless i gotta aim i don't use a mouse for games

[cold geode]

Darktide is CPU heavy. Slower dram would affect performance as there is a lot of crap that needs to be slapped back and forth.

[deft stump]

Been trying to see if I can get the better RAM running at claimed stock.

Is DDR4, I think.

I'll go check.

Yeah, DDR4.

[ripe obsidian]

It wasn't just Darktide, but fair enough. As I said, as I have gotten more into networking, I feel like I have lost hardware knowledge

[deft stump]

I just want it to stop stuttering when some oggy decided boxes spam is good.

It gets me killed more than 15 fps does.

[cold geode]

My amd expo ram runs at it's rated speed just fine. But that's what happens when you buy ram that's on the qvl list for your board. If you're having issues with expo or xmp then it's likely that your ram isn't supported, or if it is then you probably need a bios update

[deft stump]

At least it doesn't literally freeze frame for a sec each explosion.

[cold geode]

If you're on an AMD platform ram matters a lot. On AM5 DDR 6000 is the sweet spot for syncing the timing of ram cycles with the memory controller and Infinity cache timings.

[deft stump]

Not supported. But manually tweaking didn't change it.

But Intel anyway, so eh.

[cold geode]

Eh on Intel ram speed isn't a factor cause they aren't using the same type of memory bus as AMD.

[deft stump]

I7 ninth gen 3060 ti.

32GB 3600hz RAM (that runs on 2667hz anyway because stupid board.) or 48GB 2667hz mixed. MSI Z390 A pro board.

RAM is DDR4. Both pairs are.

Guide on RAM said needs XMP to run higher than 2667hz, but you know how it doesn't boot with that.

Is G.skill RAM.

[ornate hamlet]

Why u bash board? Its not board fault

[cold geode]

Always check the qvl on the board vendor website and grab ram that's on the list. If the ram is on the list it should work at rated speeds.

[deft stump]

3 ragdolls. Worker threads on 5.

[deft stump]

Problem is, the board is so old, to get RAM listed cost more than similar or better newer.

[cold geode]

Aye. I don't doubt it. i9 and ddr4 are both dead AF.

[deft stump]

Currently on 6 threads. No real diff.

100% CPU used still lul.

[deft stump]

Thus, you gamble on trying to get anything running higher than 2667hz.

I did say I was.

I get like 70 FPS otherwise, boxes? 0.2 FPS.

[ornate hamlet]

U need new pc basically

[deft stump]

I know, but cost. So.. can't do much about it.

Anyway, is Thursday. Should go grocery shopping for that extra 4% off today.

[ornate hamlet]

Here everything is normal price except GPUs ,i do wonder can i send it via mail to your country

[ornate hamlet]

Jesus christ woman

[deft stump]

Don't get me started on GPUs. I have the cheapest I could get.

[ripe obsidian]

I feel like a 9th gen i7 and a 3060ti should be able to run this game. Optimization has never been Fatshark's best trait.

[deft stump]

Still probably paid too much.

[ripe obsidian]

4% is 4%. Don't give people crap for saving money.

[ornate hamlet]

Here because my country is gonna accept Euro next year, everything went 2x price

[deft stump]

What? Need to eat after all. I get extra 4% discount for having Blue CHAS card on Thursdays.

[ornate hamlet]

I think u misunderstood

[cold geode]

My i9 laptop with a 2070 runs the game just fine after I tweak the hell out of it.

[ornate hamlet]

U miss understood me i believe

[ripe obsidian]

Modern GPUs are price gouging.

[deft stump]

I couldn't get another 2060 then or ti ver. Just 3060 ti which cannot be used to mine.

[ripe obsidian]

Nvidia saw how much people were willing to pay scalpers and said, "let's scalp our own stuff!"

Yes.

[deft stump]

Mind you, that cannot mine made it cheaper.

[ornate hamlet]

Here brand new 4090 can reach the price of 2nd hand car

[deft stump]

Naw, Cars are like half a mil here.

Cos taxes.

[ornate hamlet]

USD?

[deft stump]

You buy car, pay the worth in taxes.

[deft stump]

SGD.

[ornate hamlet]

No way a new car is worth 600k BGN ,unless it is some kind of sports car etc

[glossy ember]

trying to redo my old surge staff scrier build with the new (to me) skill tree, this is pretty much the base i've settled on so far. remaining 2 points options are Inner Tranquility, Warp Speed, Endurance, Perilous Assault, Anticipation.

Gonna give Perilous Assault a shot to see if it truly impacts quickswap for surge m2 gameplay, if not it's probably better for me to take anticipation then either of the scrier nodes, or quick shards

[cold geode]

1850usd for a used 4090 on Craigslist near me lol

[deft stump]

That's like a family car. Is all because taxes lul.

[ornate hamlet]

Time to move from Singapore

[deft stump]

Smaller cars be like $180k before CoE and all the road taxes. Will be like $400k by the time you fill it and take it home.

[marble crater]

Bulgaria

[ornate hamlet]

[ornate hamlet]

Yes

[marble crater]

When is your next election?

[bright summit]

take PoTS with sciers imo you get super good WU uptime with warp siphon

[radiant frigate]

knew a Bulgarian once who was very excited about plovdiv

[deft stump]

Well, I paid around that for a 3060 ti that cannot mine.

[cold geode]

Maybe, maybe. But mining with gpus hasn't been a thing for a while now. All the major shit coins have gone proof of stake. And that was before the 4000 series hit.

[ripe obsidian]

"Objectively speaking, Psyker's current weapon arsenal does not include a single weapon for which this talent would provide a significant wield time reduction. Autoguns and Lasguns have the 'longest' wield times with 0.65s when switching to them and starting to fire from hip (left-clicks). The talent, at 100% peril, would reduce these times to 0.43s. For all other weapons, the time reductions are even less significant."

[bright summit]

also i pref taking brain rupture first before pathing to right side for sciers but thats whatever

[deft stump]

Brand new.

[radiant frigate]

he kept saying "plovdiv e religiq"

[deft stump]

So you wanna talk overpriced? Heh.

[marble crater]

You seem to know a lot of random phrases from other languages

[glossy ember]

oh yeah that's kinda bad lol

[cold geode]

Given where I live it's more likely someone doing ai training tasks.

[radiant frigate]

perilous assault would still be worthless if it was just at max all the time without a trigger condition

[glossy ember]

what's Pots again, the 10% tending at 75% warp?

[bright summit]

yea

[marble crater]

Yes

[glossy ember]

i gotta see if thzt help with surge staff m2 breakpoints

[ripe obsidian]

I know. That's why I quoted

[glossy ember]

good idea tho

[ripe obsidian]

PotS is a miniscule damage increase.

[deft stump]

Still gonna stress it hard.

[radiant frigate]

yeah, it's just weird to see it actually put into numbers

[ripe obsidian]

The only reason to pick PotS is if you don't want ER

[ornate hamlet]

No idea,its been the same ppl since 1990s

[bright summit]

also id path to mid node for cdr aura + OWtW

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, it's kinda startling how bad some talents are

[deft stump]

Better than none before, lul.

[marble crater]

Only asking because my friend said you had like 100 elections in the past few years (slightly exaggerated)

[ornate hamlet]

That is my home town,i live there atm taking care of my old folks

[radiant frigate]

i also know "у меня нет бегемота"

[radiant frigate]

[ripe obsidian]

It's supposed to be 2.5% more damage if ADM is already 100, but I don't think it is. It adds likes 4 damage to something doing 500 damage, from my testing

[ornate hamlet]

Irrelevant since the same ppl control everything

[marble crater]

What did you just call me?

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

Oh, you mean minmaxxing discounts?

[radiant frigate]

ich habe kein Nilpferd 😡

[ornate hamlet]

We have this saying "Most countries have mafia,in Bulgaria,the Mafia has a country"

[marble crater]

Why would you know that phrase in a different language

[deft stump]

Just saying, it runs alright. Just... sub 60FPS more or less without using DLSS. XD

[radiant frigate]

because my sister went on a quest to learn that phrase in multiple languages

[deft stump]

4 more than 0, right? XD

[ornate hamlet]

More or less,here discount start at 10% but before that the price went up with 20%

[ripe obsidian]

#JustElfThings

[ornate hamlet]

Ps5 fps

[deft stump]

COVID made prices double already.

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

Shush.

[marble crater]

Your sister sounds fun

[ripe obsidian]

World needs more guillotines.

[ornate hamlet]

Covid is an excuse everything to go 2x on price

[ornate hamlet]

I mean u basically have slightly better ps5 pro

One of us

[deft stump]

But when the rich controls things, not much you can do.

[radiant frigate]

she managed to collect a fair amount, too
english, german, slovak, spanish, russian, swedish, Icelandic (i think) and japanese

[radiant frigate]

oh she certainly is

[ripe obsidian]

That's the problem the guillotines would hopefully solve.

[ripe obsidian]

Language is fun.

[deft stump]

I know, then GST increase and inflation. I barely fill a small bag for $50... when it used to be a cart.

[radiant frigate]

there's a lot to love

[deft stump]

Shush. Xbawkz styled controller.

[radiant frigate]

eggs box

[deft stump]

Unlikely, they'll just bribe ppl to get off scott free.

[ripe obsidian]

I took some linguistics courses in university. One was like the psychology of linguistics. Very neat stuff.

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe. Depends on how angry the people are.

[glossy ember]

it's mostly because this is kind of a melee less build

assail for hordes, surge for anything bigger, combat knife to navigate

[hearty wolf]

I want to apply soulblaze to people IRL

Watch them fucking combust when I use venting shriek

[marble crater]

You can

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/food-food-presentation-chef-butane-gas-blow-torch-gif-15838879

[deft stump]

If only I can pop heads, yeah?

[hearty wolf]

I have only used flamer 😭

[glossy ember]

so if i take brain burst i'm forced to take a melee weapon to deal with hordes

[marble crater]

Deodorant and a lighter

[glossy ember]

or well, i can probably do it with knife

but then less versatile i feel

[hearty wolf]

Huh?

[ornate hamlet]

No u

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, if I could pop heads, I would be very busy.

[deft stump]

Nu! You!

[ornate hamlet]

@marble crater i have something special for you,its old but gold

https://youtu.be/SlVmp7zBbKU?si=Krl1jbp2nv6aYbUs

[hearty wolf]

You have surge staff

[bright summit]

Gotcha, when I usually run scriers I just rely on team to comp around it lol

[hearty wolf]

Just go BRRRR

[deft stump]

Oh, overnight all dictators and arses go blep.

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/frozen-freezing-cold-shivering-glace-gif-21284664

[glossy ember]

I used to play this a lot but that was with old skill tree

[radiant frigate]

much to do for one with such talents

[glossy ember]

you mean with m1 spam?

[deft stump]

[ornate hamlet]

@deft stump you are supposed to use this one

[ripe obsidian]

So much to do. So little time. But headpopping would be a noble task, even if arduous.

[marble crater]

Need to watch it later

[deft stump]

[radiant frigate]

[deft stump]

I am not on ZZZ nor know anything about it other than Liho having collab.

[marble crater]

Is there a "No, you yuri!" sticker? Karien can't parry that

[ornate hamlet]

Oh no

[deft stump]

[ripe obsidian]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blini

[radiant frigate]

is there an "i know what you are" sticker

[bright summit]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f8a9d87-83d8-4177-ac6e-5e9f513a02b0/h40-surge-sciers-wc?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

If ur curious

Yet to test dds with it I've been too busy fucking around on ogryn

[radiant frigate]

hell yeah

[ornate hamlet]

So moist

[glossy ember]

woah surprised someone did attempt it in havoc 40

[deft stump]

Wat? GF has no interest. I only care to annoy her with crackships.

[radiant frigate]

it also doubles as a curseword

[glossy ember]

that's pog

oh wait

you're doing M1

i see

[bright summit]

It's not "attempt" lol I play this regularly

This and a couple other builds I swap between

[glossy ember]

oh i didn't know

[bright summit]

It's good

[ornate hamlet]

You two should play bg3 then

[bright summit]

Because it's psyker and psyker is just good you top damage with random builds easily

[glossy ember]

shame m2 doesn't benefit from the finesse node

from scrier

[bright summit]

It's said

[ripe obsidian]

Empyric Shock and 2 stamina curios. >:(

[radiant frigate]

one time i was making pancakes and a few of them came out like a frankenblin

[bright summit]

??? M1 ek

[ornate hamlet]

[bright summit]

Also I've said this before I'd rather take stam curios than waste a point on kd

[ripe obsidian]

I know. I just don't like ES.

[glossy ember]

Do you feel like Psychic Vampire isn't useful?

[ripe obsidian]

"Waste" on KD?

[deft stump]

Too expensive. Wait till bundled or so so I can ask around for it.

[radiant frigate]

they were, of course, demolished soon after

[ripe obsidian]

Those look yummy

[ornate hamlet]

[marble crater]

Pfannkuchen

[bright summit]

You get insane breakpoints with scriers you should have max warp charges for free unless it's a fucked up modifier

[ornate hamlet]

I crave pancakes now goddamns it

[radiant frigate]

i also have a mid-syrup shot

[bright summit]

I mean if you have free points but you don't with the build

[ornate hamlet]

Ffs

Stop

[ripe obsidian]

Why do you taunt me

[radiant frigate]

oooh you want to eat pancakes soo bad right now

[ornate hamlet]

I am diabetic,i should not be touching this food

[bright summit]

With psykinetics aura you get really good scriers uptime regardless anyways

[ripe obsidian]

I do want pancakes. >:(

[glossy ember]

makes sense

[radiant frigate]

[bright summit]

Yeah

[glossy ember]

lemme remove it to free a point

[ornate hamlet]

[bright summit]

Take a damage node instead

[ripe obsidian]

I think that's a bad take, but you do you

[bright summit]

Fwiw I play very aggressively so feel free to drop damage for defenses

[radiant frigate]

not liking KD is indeed a weird take

it's pretty core imo

[ornate hamlet]

Is it not discounted on steam?

[radiant frigate]

i thought it might be

[glossy ember]

also just tested Perilous Assault, even for something as spammy as quickswap m2 surge staff there is no noticeable difference at 100% peril, or maybe grenade isn't considered to be a weapon to begin with

[bright summit]

1 free pint for damage instead of better kd on your curios

[radiant frigate]

for the anniversary and whatnot

[glossy ember]

KD?

[bright summit]

Kinetic deflection q

[radiant frigate]

kinetic deflection

[glossy ember]

oh

[ripe obsidian]

...do you know how KD works? Because 2 stamina curios is absolutely not better than KD.

1 stamina + KD sure, but 2 stamina instead is definitely worse

[bright summit]

Can't spend stamina to push with kd

Or push attack

Knife push is stupid good

[ripe obsidian]

How much are you pushing that this is an issue with Psyker's amazing stamina regen delay

[glossy ember]

i'll be honest i've never really tried KD with knife back when i auric maelstrom was endgame lol

[bright summit]

Also kd has anti synergy with scriers because wu disables it

[deft stump]

Nope. $70 atm.

Even selling the SF shoulders will get me $20~.

[ripe obsidian]

This is a thing I would need to test

[ornate hamlet]

Boys n girls n I need some kind of noob psyker build because i am getting my doo doo pushed in heresy

[quartz barn]

Basically kd stops working when you have high peril

[ripe obsidian]

I guess because of the 97% limit

[bright summit]

Specifically reserved for moments when you need to shove through to reposition

[quartz barn]

So no point combining it with scriers

[ripe obsidian]

I do that without issue with 0 stamina curios and KD

[bright summit]

Do you run bubble

[ripe obsidian]

No

I shriek at people

[bright summit]

Ok

It's 1 talent point I can get more damage out of

[ripe obsidian]

Bubble is boring. I only really run it if my team is having issues and I need to babysit harder

[hearty wolf]

If you have WU, I'm questioning why you need to block or shove in the first place

That sounds like a failure before hand

[bright summit]

What

[glossy ember]

hm POTS doesn't seems to change m2 breakpoints even at max scrier+warp stacks 🙁

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, fair I guess? But with your build, dropping OwtW makes way more sense than dropping KD. OwtW is like... 20 effective toughness at 100% peril? Less?

[ripe obsidian]

PotS is a very smol damage increase

[glossy ember]

yeah but i was hoping it'd make enough of a diff

[bright summit]

It's cause m2 ek is just worse than m1 ek lol unfortunately

[hearty wolf]

Pathing to KD gives you minor crit node anyway

And crit funny

[glossy ember]

yeah that's what i've been tld

[deft stump]

Wanna just throw shards and panic when crusher horde?

[glossy ember]

but i wanna play m2

not m1

[ornate hamlet]

Shards is what kills me the most,call me bomberman

[bright summit]

Owtw is always active compared to kd which needs you to block aka not staffing

[ripe obsidian]

I am not sure I agree with that either, unless you're macroing or inhumanly good at QQ swapping

[jovial juniper]

Just go DD Gaze with + Maniacs

[deft stump]

Wot.

[jovial juniper]

If you CRIT you insta kill Ragers

[ornate hamlet]

I explode

[bright summit]

QQ for m1?

[jovial juniper]

[glossy ember]

weakspot* from DD doesn't affect m2 iirc

unless that's been changed

[jovial juniper]

Wdym
It affects all CRIT damage

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, but OwtW won't save you from anything when your toughness is that low. It doesn't change any breakpoints from enemies

[jovial juniper]

You just won't have the weakspot damage part on m2

[bright summit]

Gunners:

[glossy ember]

but is that better than warp charges damage increaase