psyker-class

[hard widget]

I'm in auric mael and early havoc yeah

[quartz barn]

You can also run without ee to practice movement vs gunners

Because on higher tier havocs you need good movement and ee both

[plucky flax]

Isn't havoc impossible for psyker?

[strong gulch]

yes
#psyker-class message

[plucky flax]

Looks normal.

My fav death as of late.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1403842401826639994/Desktop_2025.08.09_-_21.47.34.12.mp4?ex=689a571e&is=6899059e&hm=ab168b29786fb89624b70c2493e4202df7ab153d2fc477d52c26574a1d11f732&

[strong gulch]

it's so funny

so floppy

[plucky flax]

Normal psyker behaviour.

[hard widget]

Tbh

Rotten armor is harder than early havoc

[strong gulch]

ladders are the real bosses of the game

[dry lotus]

That barrel at the start of clandestum Gloriana is some sorta raid boss

[plucky flax]

For rot event you need to melee more.

Or use trauma staff.

Cos it takes reduced range damage but trauma just bypass that.

[ripe obsidian]

Fart carapace enemies take 75% and 50% reduced range damage

[strong gulch]

like 6 or 7 unbuffed BBs for a crusher

rotted crusher

[dry lotus]

Waow that’s a beefy boi

No wonder I was just dumping boltgun mags into them on zealot

[strong gulch]

boolet sponge

[bright summit]

it doesn't need a buff imo its very strong already

[plucky flax]

I'll take more buffs tho it's my fav staff.

Electric man very cool.

[waxen jackal]

Am i tripping or did it used to be popping scriers didn't save you from overloading on peril like shriek did? And now it does?

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/watchmen-power-dr-manhattan-gif-16169918

[bright summit]

psyker doesnt need more power creep though

[strong gulch]

It's a fairly recent buff to SG.

[dry lotus]

There’s an augment that saves you from overloading

[ripe obsidian]

SG didn't use to quell 50% peril.

[plucky flax]

Isn't it worst or 2nd worst class?

[dry lotus]

2nd worst I’ve heard

[waxen jackal]

I thought it was different since last time i played psyker. Good to know I'm not crazy

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[bright summit]

its definitely not lmao

[strong gulch]

SG now quells like shriek; both the 50% and saving you from overloading on activation without warp unbound (WU).

[plucky flax]

Sry I'm new. I browse some youtube and reddit and they all said psyker suck do no damage and too squishy but magicman cool

[bright summit]

hmm

surely

[plucky flax]

They also said about the legend carrier called Karien from SG.

[dry lotus]

Warp unbound is great I love spamming warp attacks

[weary idol]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-funny-reaction-meme-stan-twt-horse-gif-5445268815333743861

[hard widget]

Kf is crazy now

I remember it used to be pretty bad

[quartz barn]

Its still the same as before but can only proc on elites and specials

[hard widget]

Yeah earlier it was never taken, because it'd pop on some poxwalker then go on cd for 15 seconds

Which made it pretty bad

[waxen jackal]

Lights out and rotten armor is rough

[ripe obsidian]

Rotten armor was invented to sell Arbiters

[plucky flax]

Tru

Its so op in that mode

[ripe obsidian]

Seriously. Feels bad playing anything else

[waxen jackal]

I'm so sick of this event it's crazy

[raven mountain]

Has been my favorite. Kinda wish I could run it with Moebian 21st.

Give me all the density.

[fluid knot]

Literally just a "This res really needs to happen" tool and nothing more

[waxen jackal]

I liked the one with the rituals

[glossy ember]

this still true btw?

since it's still pinned i assume so

[verbal thistle]

Wellllllllll

No, not really

Older darktide was something else

All classes now benefit so much more from toughness then health

All classes easily can fill toughness and all have toughness damage reduction

The talent tree update/fire damage rework switched up the HP stacking to toughness iirc

[plucky flax]

Ogryn is cool with it too. Branx mining 1 shot each crusher

[dry lotus]

I love unloading entire boltgun mags into a crowd of stinky bois

[weary idol]

no

[glossy ember]

might wanna clean up the pins then

[weary idol]

attacks that strip toughness outright are rare now

[glossy ember]

could mislead

[raven mountain]

There's still a handful of things that hit toughness much harder than health, but I don't think there's anything that just strips your toughness directly. Pox stuff degens it and limits your regen, and I think they got rid of fire insta-breaking toughness (and killing you nearly instantly), and a sniper has a huge toughness modifier such that it should fully strip toughness, but it's not an instant strip.

[weary idol]

it USED to be that flamers and bombers instantly removed all of your toughnes

nowadays only Mauler/Crusher overheads, Snipers, and Poxbursters do that

[plucky flax]

And do no damage

[dry lotus]

It’s really cathartic tho

[hearty wolf]

I don't know why my brain has flipped switch

But I just want to use purg or bubble knight

Think after bonking purple crushers 12 times, I'm tired of heavy spamming 😭

[plucky flax]

Tru dat

[fluid knot]

Ngl would kinda prefer that back rather than the scaling fire damage thing

There is always some idiot who wants to res someome whos sat in fire and just kill them outright

[hearty wolf]

@tulip kettle another one for you

[marble crater]

You would prefer that back? What

[hearty wolf]

This guy is practically infamous for dogshit takes

Just want to see what he outputs next

Toughness is too strong, it should be constantly draining like temp hp

[marble crater]

Concerning

[ebon sonnet]

What's the go to knock back attack for the cliffhanger penance? The shriek has less knockback than a wet fart

Ahhh. That might be my mistake then. I just shriek the moment I have enemies close to a ledge regardless of peril level

[radiant frigate]

please do not wish for the return of instakill juice

[weary idol]

generally smite

enemies fall in the direction that you are looking when you let go of it, and it does piss poor damage so you can get a lot of enemies without killing them

[radiant frigate]

i think i got cliffhanger on accident

[ebon sonnet]

So I can smite next to a ledge, turn 90 degrees to face the void, release and they'll fall in that direction?

[quartz barn]

Basically just use ep smite on enemies that are dropping down from a spawn

Itll count as them falling

[weary idol]

yeah

[quartz barn]

And ye this also works

Obv dont use ep if youre going to do it this way as youll kill them otherwise

[weary idol]

most of the chasm maps have small bridges that are easy enough for it if your teammates aren't ASSHOLES

like the side bridges on the main bridge that you start on for Hab Dreyko and Chasm Terminus

[ebon sonnet]

Cool! Thanks for the tip. I'll give it a shot after work

[quartz barn]

If you have an ogryn buddy you can actually turn this into your favor

Have them charge enemies off a ledge, you hit them as theyre falling

[ebon sonnet]

Probably will need to slap together a build with smite since I haven't used it since the smite penance

[ebon sonnet]

That counts too? Wild

[quartz barn]

Ye because you get kill credit as last hitter

[ebon sonnet]

Ahhh that makes sense

[quartz barn]

Mfw i did this penance on release with shriek and pushes

20 kills in 7 seconds

[weary idol]

Yeah I did too on release when it was like

40 or so

[quartz barn]

Nah just 20

[weary idol]

oh it was just less time

[quartz barn]

Even then it was borderline impossible

Or really easy for some people

[ebon sonnet]

Damn... They were really optimistic with some of the penances. Gone bowling was also something like 100 enemies

[quartz barn]

Same for the 4 bb on elites penance

[fluid knot]

Idk, dangerous enemy being dangerous or idiots throwing by killing off their teammates.. Sad thing is, it happens in Havoc pugs as much as it does in Auric :/

People never got the memo that fire damage stacks up the longer you're in it, apparently

[radiant frigate]

7 seconds? wasn't it 2

[radiant frigate]

right but ressing someone in fire is a shit move either way

[fluid knot]

Oh yeah, it absolutely is for sure, people still gunna do it tho

[radiant frigate]

the situation is pretty much the same, toughness nuked and about to die

except now it at least has some ramp to it instead of just being death on impact

[fluid knot]

Eh, yesnt, at least you have a say in it if its from the enemy itself, you kinda dont if you have dullard teammate 🤷‍♂️

[fluid knot]

The worst one was exploding yourself and killing 5 elites with the blast

Anyone who got that did it by complete accident

[radiant frigate]

ok but this hypothetical dullard is going to get people killed with the old fire as well as the new

but the new flamers/bombers do not ruin your day on contact like the old ones

[fluid knot]

That is true yeah

Ye, I remember lol

Fun times

[radiant frigate]

penance design be like "hmm today i will make challenges that encourage actively fucking your teammates over"

[fluid knot]

They obviously have no qualms about reusing code, which is smart, but when they gonna give zapstick the shock maul effect, ho hum

[radiant frigate]

what shock maul effect

[fluid knot]

The stun and moderate DoT

You're literally shooting an enemy with a lightning bolt, be nice if it used the effect

Christ knows the damn thing needs a buff of some description

[radiant frigate]

i do not think we are talking about the same staff

[fluid knot]

Yeah that one is pretty decent, tbh you could get it in old Damnation if you played carefully

[radiant frigate]

yeah because it's kind of trying to force the whole "you are backline" thing

if I'm backline then why did you give me a power sword

incomprehensible

[fluid knot]

Its kinda just a left click gun with unlimited ammo at the minute, not a huge amount of reason to use the charged attack when the Trauma has much better CC and the Purg puts out more damage. Kinda just sits without a role at the moment. As much as I love using it, the inconsistent damage is also rather irritating

RNGstick

[radiant frigate]

so you're saying EK is bad and you don't use the charged attacks?

[fluid knot]

No, I'm saying everything it does, something else does much better

Also RNG damage is kinda ass

Whats worse, old camo talent or the stealth subnode?

Remember when Vets would just freeze when shit got hairy and just aggro dump onto everyone else and do exactly nothing?

Thats fair lol

[radiant frigate]

also why bother mentioning cc on a singke target staff

in fact why compare with the aoe options

[fluid knot]

Because it sits in a weird position where its trying to be a hybrid between single target with a modicum of CC, that latter element is mostly ineffective, all it does it hold the main target and a couple of auxilary ones in place for a second or so

[radiant frigate]

it's very much not a hybrid

it's just single target

[fluid knot]

So it holding a couple of enemies outside the main target still for a short duration isnt a small amount of CC?

Tis in my book

Its just very poor

[radiant frigate]

not worth mentioning

[wraith sphinx]

You talking about the zappy staff?

[fluid knot]

Ye

[radiant frigate]

what is worth mentioning is that it's very good at cycling peril and as such goes very well with shriek

[wraith sphinx]

That staff does not have cc

Single targer stun is not cc

[radiant frigate]

also very good at triggering pc

killing specials

[wraith sphinx]

Feels nice to use with sg now too

[radiant frigate]

if you really wanted to compare it to another staff, compare it to voidstrike

[fluid knot]

Its fun yeah, but I don't think its as good as the other options in regards to its role, or lack thereof. You could just take a gun if you really wanna absue PC

[wraith sphinx]

Voidstrike is the only staff I really like

[radiant frigate]

still an entirely different beast but at least it's related

[wraith sphinx]

I love my magic railgun

[radiant frigate]

load up the arcane cannon with true aim and surge

unmake the heretic

[wraith sphinx]

🔥

[radiant frigate]

turn a pack of shotgunners into the past tense

[wraith sphinx]

We have guests, bring out the magical spitroast

[radiant frigate]

perhaps i should revisit left side melee psyker sometime

[hearty wolf]

CC - crowd control, yet in a lot of the games it's in, people just make CC=stun

Controlling one target helps control a crowd ig

[rancid jasper]

i really never understood why this is the case

seems like 99% of the time theres something better to name it

[hearty wolf]

Perhaps some kind of ignorance.

It's sort of the same with damage and dps

[rancid jasper]

like in darktide why not just call it "impact"? that's already a stat that's in the game

[hearty wolf]

Some people talk about DPS as if they're talking about damage and vice versa

Or just compare by the completely wrong metrics

[rancid jasper]

dps is an amount of damage within a second though

[hearty wolf]

And yet people still talk about it wrong and make it out to be the same thing

[rancid jasper]

crowd control and stun are used interchangeably a lot of the time, surely they don't do the same thing with "damage" and "damage per second", right?

that would be really weird

[hearty wolf]

It's "similar" enough, people just don't care about being accurate

They do xd

[rancid jasper]

no way

that's like mixing up a distance and how fast something moves

[hearty wolf]

"if you're driving at 60mph, how long does it take you to drive 60 miles" AHH kind of people

[rancid jasper]

hey you can't talk to me about brainrot "ngl" and then say "AHH people" ok

i will not forget this

[hearty wolf]

I am all ages, y'see

You have no idea how hard it was to learn to not type properly

[rancid jasper]

you are ageless, yet ageful

[hearty wolf]

Like with full grammar

Apparently it made me sound "too serious"

[rancid jasper]

yeah proper grammar has become a passive agressive thing

it is odd

or like you're trying to assert superiority

[hearty wolf]

Perhaps a sign that we're declining as a race.

Or that English is bad.

In reality it's probably more likely discord/Reddit mods helped ruin it for the online crowd. For the normies, it's probably because the best English speakers tend to move elsewhere or are in high stress jobs so they don't really care how they type + didn't grow up using tech.

[rancid jasper]

nowadays, "the online crowd" probably are the normies

unless you mean online

[hearty wolf]

Interestingly

I saw an article

[raven mountain]

It's been a badge of pride since the AOL days to not speak fully correctly—casual spellings, no punctuation, whatever.

This isn't anything new.

[hearty wolf]

And it basically said

That the newer generation are buying a LOT less games than we are

[raven mountain]

Though it has been exacerbated by phones, their keyboards and texting culture in general.

[hearty wolf]

Oh right yeah. Abbreviations were cool 😎

[rancid jasper]

probably because of the rise in popularity of free games with microtransactions.

or the availability of legally questionable methods of obtaining game copies that the rules dont specifically say i cant directly refer to here but better safe than sorry

[hearty wolf]

If buying games isn't owning, pirating isn't...

[raven mountain]

Might also look at economy, jobs, and the like, unless you're looking strictly at pre-job age. And there -has- been a rise in free to play style games in the past some years.

[strong gulch]

At least in the US, there is also a rise in not owning what you pay for.

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/wake-up-samurai-keanu-reeves-shades-off-cyberpunk2077-gif-15573061

[weary idol]

probably doesn't help that a lot of big budget games these days are dogshit and/or overpriced

If I was new to gaming in these past few console generations I would NOT have faith in the industry

[deft stump]

When an actual small team game for $10-$20 basically equals that of a $120+ game... yeah. Only real diff is graphical quality.

[weary idol]

And yet no game has ever looked as good as Okami did

Because art styles are better

[quartz barn]

Its more that the market is heavily oversaturated so the "big" games from the past are just indies nowadays

Also friendly reminder that a lot of the supposedly overpriced games have to be that price to make some decent profit

Obv with exceptions to the stuff ea etc do

[hearty wolf]

Yeah I've

[quartz barn]

But most indies studios practically go bankrupt before they release anything

[hearty wolf]

Kinda got myself into a muddle with that

Before the beginning of the relationship with the girl I'm currently with, I had an option between two pretty girls. One wanted kids, one didn't.

I picked the one who did because I thought I did.

But err, money

How afford?

[charred urchin]

Psyker chads, what curios do y'all usually run?

[sacred surge]

Depends on the build

[hearty wolf]

My conspiracy theory is that Okami did well precisely because Twilight Princess was amazing and then the rest of the LoZ were kind of crap imo

I didn't play enough skyward sword to really appreciate it but I remember the motion controls giving me brain damage

[quartz barn]

Usually one of each, so health, stam and toughness

[hearty wolf]

It was a case of right time, right place

[charred urchin]

Inferno staff Havoc meta build is what I want to use. Trying to get good enough at every class for H40, Psyker is the last one.

[quartz barn]

Basically run bubble, bb with kf, warp charges, pretty much every soulblaze perk and emphatic evasion

[hearty wolf]

Or run Shriek and kill everything

And then watch your team get shot to death by gunners

BUT you did a lot of damage so..worth?

[quartz barn]

Just frontline yourself

Get hard carried by ee and bubble

Only skill expression is when youre out of range and have to move up

[charred urchin]

What's the meta curio set up for the H40 if I'm being an inferno staff/bubble cuck?

[hearty wolf]

It's personal preference, really.

-wounds

Wouldn't invest in more than 1 stam curio either

[charred urchin]

Is Toughness worth it if it doesn't give as much?

[sacred surge]

Toughness

Still something

[quartz barn]

Toughness does matter, itll up your survivability vs gunners

Toughness regen is debatable with the large amount of regen psyker already has however

[charred urchin]

The usual logic for every other class is go toughness because gunners/shooters are what kill you and you shouldn't really be taking HP damage anyway. I just didn't know if the like 30-40 added toughness for Psyker felt like it was impactful in H40 or not

[quartz barn]

Tbh if youre looking for make or break options, nothing is

[raven mountain]

And honestly, with your toughness being lowered in Havoc, the toughness you have left is more important.

[quartz barn]

Hence personal preference

As psyker you get oneshot anyway

So main focus for defense is preventing chip dmg

[raven mountain]

You lose flat toughness to the modifier, so your % toughness gets weaker, but giving up on the % toughness because you have less just lands you at having actually nothing.

And having that bit of extra toughness is just a bit of extra wriggle room for sliding around fights.

[charred urchin]

That makes sense. I've been running Toughness/Toughness/Toughness with Toughness/Combat Ability/Gunner Resistance on each one.

[deft stump]

Is only they made it run at a better FPS... The 'tearing' is basically unbearable.

[charred urchin]

I see people using revive speed too but never tried it myself.

[raven mountain]

Outside of havoc, a health curio is a great choice, but I'm not sure about inside of havoc. Having a single 20-ish health curio affects sniper breakpoints.

Just remember Gunner Resistance isn't additive. So it's not 20+20+20=60.

It's like 48% or something for all three.

[deft stump]

Pretty sure in Havoc, it won't matter and you die to anything anyway. XD

[raven mountain]

And also, if you didn't know, corruption damage is a flat amount, so having less health makes the corruption you get worse.

[charred urchin]

Hmm that third gunner resistance probably is diminishing returns then, should swap it.

[hearty wolf]

The most dangerous things tend to do health damage anyway and have a 10x multiplier to toughness

So

[raven mountain]

That's true too. But the really dangerous stuff isn't really a factor since it's a one-shot if you're not an arbiter.

[hearty wolf]

Nah, burster explosions for example

And also

[raven mountain]

Overheads, Sword captain combos.

[hearty wolf]

Corruption stealing a wound

More hp= less likely to have a wound fully corrupted

[raven mountain]

Yeah, that's part of my second point. More health = less effective corruption damage.

[charred urchin]

Dodging captains/twins is easy though, I basically never get hit those.

[raven mountain]

So is dodging overheads

[charred urchin]

Corruption damage does make HP make sense though

[raven mountain]

until you don't

So is dodging snipers. Until you don't.

[hearty wolf]

Until they're all final tolled and you're in the intro of the map with a chaos spawn and nurgle

[hard widget]

I need 3 gunner res on all my classes

Getting beamed is not fun

[charred urchin]

Still not really something I find that hard ngl.

[raven mountain]

Have they changed bursters at all recently? I know there hasn't been a patch this week, but it feels like bursters are just resisting pushes, getting pulled when you push, and just generally mercing teams.

And been hearing lots of complaining to that point too.

[hearty wolf]

You shouldn't use any curios then

They're all useless for you

Go triple stamina and put on experience, dockets and curio chance

[charred urchin]

That does not seem useful.

[hearty wolf]

But it's ez

It will improve your gains over time

To hit account cap

[charred urchin]

Well, I shall try out some of y'alls suggestions, I appreciate the advice.

[icy breach]

Use 2

[icy breach]

2 is enough for any class, any build

[deft stump]

The problem is... Fading Light mod basically deletes a huge chunk of the HP you get. Zealot goes from 314 to 245 on a 1 stam, 2 hp and 3 5% hp curio set up.

I think psyker gains would be even worse?

[glossy ember]

i love zappy staff

i don't love shriek

[tulip kettle]

youre just imagining it

its just bugs

nothing to see here 🙂

[quartz barn]

Run trauma and blow them up from range

and kill your teammates that try to push them

[tulip kettle]

there is DEFINITELY not a mechanic that allows the game to calculate if players are in range of an explosion before it happens

and even if there were, what use would it be?

[rancid jasper]

is it important to have a wound curio on psyker or would i be better off replacing it with toughness

[tulip kettle]

its important to not have a wound curio

you should only run wound curios on zealot with martyrdom

there is no other situation where they are good.

generally people run either 3 toughness curios on psyker, or 2 toughness and 1 stamina or HP

[deft stump]

+1 When you just start psyker and head to heresy.

[rancid jasper]

why? med stims?

[tulip kettle]

not just med stims

the entire mechanic of how hp and wounds work

[deft stump]

But you should wean off it asap once you get the feel of things.

[rancid jasper]

id probably run 2 toughness+1 stamina

[tulip kettle]

so do that 🙂

[rancid jasper]

ty

[tulip kettle]

and remove wound curios from all your classes

[deft stump]

Look, +9 Stam.

[tulip kettle]

i think maybe you dont quite understand the interaction between wounds and HP

[tulip kettle]

Ive heard this is the most pro strat

[rancid jasper]

no, not really. i just know it can mess with healing.

[tulip kettle]

but its too pro for me i cant pull it off.

wounds are the "chunks" of health you get, and you always lose 1 to corruption when you go down

[rancid jasper]

yeah ik that part

[tulip kettle]

increasing wounds does not increase your total health

it just splits the health you have into more chunks

[rancid jasper]

ik

just thought itd be important to not be out after 2 downs

[tulip kettle]

so you gain 0 increased survivability

[deft stump]

Is more for starting with since newer players panic and BOOM.

[rancid jasper]

or take cw

[quartz barn]

More like newer players are prone to get smashed by crushers

[tulip kettle]

if you had 25% more health, you would go down less

if you had more tough or stam, you would go down less

[deft stump]

Is with CW... that's the thing, lul.

[rancid jasper]

oh, i see what u mean seeing as it still does corruption damage with cw

[tulip kettle]

if you imagine CW said "auto revive after going down to self exploding" it would be the same thing

[deft stump]

They should try to wean off it once more used to stuff though.

Or just cheat and take vent...

50 saves with it penance was a chore.

[quartz barn]

I mean youre too good to blow yourself up naturally

But most of us dont have that luxury

[fluid knot]

Certainly been worse since Arb' has been added...

Dog jumping bursters and pushin them back in the direction they were pushed from ¬.¬

They've always been sort of wonk though outside of that

[tulip kettle]

yeah i mean

its almost impossible to blow yourself up when running shriek

especially with inferno staff

[deft stump]

You haven't seen pub psykers.

Had vent, has burga... somehow blew up 4 times in quick succession and died.

[ornate hamlet]

Oh mee mee

[tulip kettle]

lol

who would do such a thing

@hearty wolf

[fluid knot]

I can understand getting on the gas too quickly with Surge an ending up exploding, but with Purgatus? Ghad damn

[deft stump]

I don't even... Heck, if they went Assail, sure. I can understand whoops moments.

[plucky flax]

Sry was me

[deft stump]

Unless you were playing US W...

[fluid knot]

Yeah, Assail is certainly capable of that

[deft stump]

I know, it was the best way to get the vent save penance while doing things.

[fluid knot]

Probably tbh

[ornate hamlet]

[zealous wing]

the amount of helpful info i've gleaned from this chat without having to ask a single question has been glorious

[quartz barn]

Is assail capable of blowing you up?

[zealous wing]

yes

[quartz barn]

I literally try it for fun and cant do it

[ornate hamlet]

I blow myself up more than i die by the enemy npcs

[zealous wing]

if you've spec'd into low peril generation overall, its hard to do before you run out

[quartz barn]

The 100% anim staggers you so i cant throw the shard that would blow me up

And by the time i can im no longer at 100%

[fluid knot]

You're probably getting hit by stuff then

The anim shouldnt stagger you

[zealous wing]

^

[quartz barn]

In the final elevator?

[zealous wing]

i have managed to blow myself up a few times when shit hits the fan and i panicked

[quartz barn]

Game wont let me die ig

[zealous wing]

with assail specifically

[tulip kettle]

its pretty hard to blow yourself up with assail also because

10 assails

[fluid knot]

🤷‍♂️ It doesnt stagger you in minute to minute gameplay, I've died to Assail fuckups many a time

[hearty wolf]

I pressed R

[tulip kettle]

10 peril each

[hearty wolf]

I PRESSED R

[tulip kettle]

yeah but

[hearty wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/eric-andre-let-me-out-gif-18252480

[tulip kettle]

shriek needs to be off cd 🙂

[hearty wolf]

R you spas

Not F

[tulip kettle]

oh yes because i know your keybinds my b

[hearty wolf]

IT'S DEFAULT

[tulip kettle]

yeah im also dumb

but at least i dont blow myself up with shriek burga 😄

❤️

[hearty wolf]

No you just use book on front of tolled crushers and get turned into paste 😭

"Omg let me moooove"

[tulip kettle]

couldnt be me

[hearty wolf]

Either way

I'll be lowering my peril threshold

Instead of not casting at 100%, I'll try 95

There's just a lot of rules that give me brain damage of when you can fire

Like you can use rmb at 97% peril and not die even if hits 100 or whatever

It probably doesn't help that I don't know them

[tulip kettle]

just join the other side

become the demonhost

[plucky flax]

You can cast at 100% and not blow up. There's 2 stages of 100% peril

With my mod i can see when it's safe to do it (cheat)

[hearty wolf]

Interesting.

[hearty wolf]

I see.

Interesting.

[plucky flax]

Only for certain single peril tick things tho

Like throw 1 assail, or 1 more special cast from sword

[deft stump]

Sin? Did you dump another char into the pits again?

[plucky flax]

Channeling bb or staff right click would of course kill ya

[hearty wolf]

Cassiopeia has been traded for Seren

Seren deals a lot more damage

She's also a bit unstable

[tulip kettle]

trueeeee

[hearty wolf]

And her personality has changed as a result

[deft stump]

No, as in Bellatrix now?

[hearty wolf]

Teething issues or smth

Oh

Electra was traded for Bellatrix

[tulip kettle]

at mar a lago

[hearty wolf]

Electra was obsessed with shock which was too strong

But we prefer decapitation compared to bonk

Bonk had to be retired and thus so did Electra

[glossy ember]

just realized empyric resolves has a -30% toughness replenished modifier

[jovial juniper]

It's there ™

For most builds

Unless it's some hyper specific Gaze Surge ER build

Then you actually feel the reduction

[deft stump]

Oh. I'm just confused.

[glossy ember]

somehow i never noticed teh text even though i'm certain i've read that node several times

i thought it was free lunch

[quartz barn]

Just dont get hit and you wont even notice it

[tulip kettle]

its why people take PoTS

even though PoTS isnt great

[glossy ember]

10% rending sounds nice at least...

[deft stump]

So block more with your less peril damage?

[tulip kettle]

if you dont want to reduce your peril gen then ER just says "replen less toughness"

[jovial juniper]

Only warp

Only past 75 peril

💀

[glossy ember]

i love conditionals

[tulip kettle]

neither of those are obstacles though

[quartz barn]

You block?

[tulip kettle]

you want the pen on your inferno and you should be casting above 75% peril anyway

[tulip kettle]

youre talking to queen 9 stam

[jovial juniper]

It's not an obstacle nor a helping hand

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[deft stump]

With my +9 stam deflector sword and 3xblock efficiency? Yes.

[quartz barn]

Ah mb, i was too lazy to update my cheats to get 9 stam on psyker so i had to rely on dodging alone

Actually fgs exist

[tulip kettle]

does it? since when?

[deft stump]

9?

[quartz barn]

Why do you run stam on fgs

[deft stump]

You mean 12, right?

Or 14 with FGS?

[quartz barn]

Ye i was just responding to the 9

So i got confused

[tulip kettle]

this "FGS"

is it good

should i use it?

[jovial juniper]

You guys block with FGS?

💀

[glossy ember]

what's fgs

[tulip kettle]

i think it would mean force great sword

if such a thing existed

[glossy ember]

oh

[fluid knot]

Shame the extra dodge talent makes FGS feel so much better to play

[glossy ember]

anyone here run combat knife here, mobility is kinda cozy

[tulip kettle]

combat knife is fine

but psyker doesnt really have the tree to make it go crazy

[deft stump]

I guess you can run both.

[hearty wolf]

As opposed to...not having it?

[jovial juniper]

I will not fall for Anticipation propaganda

[fluid knot]

Ofc, but it feels kinda eh to have to path to it

[glossy ember]

are the melee nodes not suited for it? (crack of the bone, warp splitting, malefic momentum)

[tulip kettle]

on right side trees its pretty natural to path so that you have anticipation and EE

[jovial juniper]

Gaze and DD are all you need for knife

[tulip kettle]

yeah they are fine

its all fine

but ultimately knife truly shines with bleed synergies

and psyker dont got none

[jovial juniper]

Naaaaah

Bleed propaganda

[glossy ember]

can't you run bleedless knife...

[jovial juniper]

In the big 25

[tulip kettle]

yes and as i said its fine

[hearty wolf]

Knife go fast

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

[hearty wolf]

It's escape tool

[glossy ember]

[hearty wolf]

And if you need an escape tool

You're cringe

Hold your ground

[tulip kettle]

this though

unironically

[fluid knot]

Guess you could run it with Puncture Boltpistol an then get both Uncanny + Mercy Killer, but that'd be expensive on ammo usage to make the most of it

[jovial juniper]

Why?

Just go Precognition

[hearty wolf]

I've never actually seen this

[glossy ember]

me neither

well if you're talking about the movie

[fluid knot]

Yeah thats true, I always forget that exists

[tulip kettle]

also hot take

mobility is just not nearly as good in H40

[jovial juniper]

You know
Precognition the blessing and the gaze modifier
Suddenly you have 120% finesse

[tulip kettle]

simply because too often you come through an airlock / lift etc and your path is blocked by all the armour papa nurgle could find

if you have 0 space to kite and just need to stand your ground as 4 and fight

mobility not doing much

and if you have room to use your mobility

then its not that threatening a situation and just kill the shit

hot take i know

[hearty wolf]

Interesting. I think it's the opposite.

I understand that rationale though.

The reason I think it's the opposite is because you need that much more movement speed when you're solo to escape dangerous situations. It's not like you're 1v1 a PO when you're clutching. It's like 1v5 versus monstrosities and you need some kind of way to keep distance without the map providing you a super easy out

[quartz barn]

It literally comes down to playstyle

[hearty wolf]

I really hate mobility as a play style

[quartz barn]

Regardless, i run the basic 60 mob and do just fine running all over the place

If you cant use your dodge i-frames or know how to crabwalk in h40 you shouldnt be there

[gray juniper]

@hearty wolf what’s the backstory on your new character?

[hearty wolf]

It's long 😭

[gray juniper]

Oh yea let’s do it

[hearty wolf]

You can use this as spark notes

[jovial juniper]

Oooh Diva up

[glacial vapor]

Feeling evil today, aren't we?

[tulip kettle]

XD

[gray juniper]

I’ll tell you guys about mistress steeltoe. It’s short

She’s a super sadistic beat cop that joined the arbites to get paid for her recreational activities

Stepping on others is a her favorite pastime, along with impaling, explosions, slow deaths and knitting

[hearty wolf]

Wtf

Yours isn't red

That's unplayable

[tulip kettle]

this just sounds like fetish content

[hearty wolf]

Or is it yellow because you are dumping blast radius

[glossy ember]

does everyone run the red recolor mod?

[gray juniper]

For her*

[hearty wolf]

@strong gulch Also I swear like last year when I ran VB, you told me to dump blast radius because it only effected the part that wasn't in the middle circle and that do stinky damage

[deft stump]

||Well, can't be as bad a child soldier (she's an adult now) of a psyker who grew up in hell ending up in bed with her arby handler after refusal on another collar when it went missing due to reasons.||

[tulip kettle]

imean

[deft stump]

I think I need to delete that before a certain someone notices.

[tulip kettle]

im not gonna ask

except for source

😄

[deft stump]

That's my psyker.

Been a gremlin and shipping loner x fatalist.

[tulip kettle]

i mean

if its all consensual

then the emperor approves

[deft stump]

All yuri, all consensual, all sus.

[hearty wolf]

That's why she screams so much

[gray juniper]

See this is juicy

[pale prairie]

This line is so goddamn right

[gray juniper]

Mistress steeltoe is heavily scarred on her face and body. It’s a lesson on accepting petty concerns like trust, friends and do-gooding. The truth of the imperium is duty only. Heretics and lex breakers must be punished harshly as possible

[pale prairie]

Did this come before or after the discovery of paid to carry out fetish?

[deft stump]

She just needs to find a good biomancer psyker.

[gray juniper]

During. She entertained the notion of feelings and genuine friendship. After experiencing betrayal for the first time, she realized these things are only foolish endeavors that make openings for exploitation and distraction from duty

[deft stump]

Who rolled all into healing and regen.

[pale prairie]

Truly the grimmest of dark

[gray juniper]

This is too flowery. Has to be an end story content

[gray juniper]

I need my grim dark characters the grimmest! 👏 👏 👏

[deft stump]

Rejected, just a field medic/surgeon being made a psyker by Tzeentch and rolled all into Biomancy. My vet lul.

[pale prairie]

Not everyone gets the happy yuri ending

[deft stump]

Although, backstory wise, she already was a prodigy of a surgeon before forced conscription.

[gray juniper]

Tzeentch made psyker. This is elaborate and daring

[nocturne dust]

At a certain point it breakz through the bottom and suddenly you find yourself in Slaanesh territory

[gray juniper]

Sykes is modeled after the seer voice but with more addled and battle experience

[deft stump]

After all, how do you make a good surgeon better? Enchancing them with the warp. Knowledge of the body of all species, able to knit all injuries and regenerate limbs and such.

[gray juniper]

I could never. Mistress is physically celibate. She scores high on the narcissism scale but has lofty ideals on order and duty. She may inadvertently end up in a suicidal last stand to uphold the lex on atoma anyway

[pale prairie]

Shouldn’t there be some kind outward sign of being changed

[deft stump]

I mean, yuri with a Zealot go!

[nocturne dust]

physically celibate

👁️

[deft stump]

Sometimes just marked.

[gray juniper]

Sadist. Pleasure from others pain

[upper sun]

WHAT

ive seen enough

ban karien

[pale prairie]

Lmao

[nocturne dust]

roleplayers

[tulip kettle]

so like

[deft stump]

Subtle, allows her to go around. Or maybe mild and hidden by Slaanesh gifted glamour. Who knows really.

[tulip kettle]

i have never been interested in anime in any way

i see all these terms and have no idea what they mean

yuri

futa

[deft stump]

That's @gray juniper char, not mine.

[upper sun]

all gay

[tulip kettle]

idk what it is

and yeah i just looked up yuri

[nocturne dust]

gay (girl)

[tulip kettle]

lesbian more specifically?

yeah right i see

[nocturne dust]

gay (girl d***)

[tulip kettle]

i assumed its all complete degeneracy

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/vilitch-warhammer-total-war-tzeentch-chaos-gif-26599677

Just a normal tzeench blessed

Definitely doesn’t have a brother bonded on him somewhere

[deft stump]

Yes, I like to annoy ppl with marks of two gods chars.

[hearty wolf]

So you're a futa. Karien is a yuri

Hope that helps

[tulip kettle]

dont make me look up what futa is

i dont want it in my history

[nocturne dust]

I already said what it is

[tulip kettle]

oh right sry

[hearty wolf]

Boku no Pico is a good documentary for what futa's are

[tulip kettle]

so its literally girls with dicks?

[nocturne dust]

Yep

They even keep the girl equipment

If they lose the girl equipment, it's a different thing

[tulip kettle]

but

no

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[tulip kettle]

i dont want this in my brain

[hearty wolf]

Furry Dom arc starting soon

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-cursed-with-knowledge-thanos-gif-14242316

[pale prairie]

The world just got a bit more degenerate

[gray juniper]

Don’t. This is like the only one I know and wish I didn’t

[nocturne dust]

too late

[gray juniper]

I’m so sorry Dom

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/too-much-knowledge-can-be-a-dangerous-thing-john-lithgow-winston-churchill-the-crown-warning-gif-16124783

[hearty wolf]

He's gone too far

You could say he's futaristic

[nocturne dust]

Exposing yourself to degeneracy is the only way to build immunity

[pale prairie]

It’s fitting “DeadVoid” educated him

[nocturne dust]

It's good for you

Like fighting a bear. You either die or win and get stronger.

[pale prairie]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

https://tenor.com/view/bh187-austin-powers-right-doubt-press-x-to-doubt-gif-27480342

[hearty wolf]

Pointing out a bear and talking about "fighting" after a furry has been mentioned

That's kinda risky

[glacial vapor]

Imagine wasting time in the gym instead of fighting bears. It's so much faster to be mauled half to death

[hearty wolf]

I wonder what a bear try to does if you jump on it's back and try to ride it

[gray juniper]

Going to the national park on weekends for arm wrestling competitions

[tulip kettle]

stop

[hearty wolf]

Like does it stand up on all fours or what

[tulip kettle]

stop this now

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/protect-gif-20204684

[gray juniper]

Jesus lmaoooo

[gray juniper]

It would be funny as hell if it said “angelic chanting stops”

[young cliff]

This is why the Felinid class needs to be assassin themed, so it can use invisibility to avoid bolter fire

[nocturne dust]

Jesper Kyd stops

[tulip kettle]

if they add furries to DT im uninstalling

[gray juniper]

Fair. That’s a bridge too far

[nocturne dust]

Bro there are so many furries in 40k

[deft stump]

I want catgirls, but not furries.

[tulip kettle]

oh god what have i done

[pale prairie]

Ain’t no way they put effort into animating realistic fur like that

[nocturne dust]

Rat people, lizard people, dog people, cat people

[gray juniper]

https://youtu.be/m8qTsO4iRDY?si=etUE0E5E3t2OUFJS

[nocturne dust]

What makes you think they won't serve us slop and call it good

[young cliff]

Make the Felinids actually bald cat-like with long limbs

[pale prairie]

I see female Ogryn happening before felinids

[pale prairie]

Ah sphinx cats

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-sphynx-cat-sphynx-cat-dancing-gif-22501936

@tulip kettle would probably like this

[young cliff]

But human, and with a love to cut necks with karambit knifes

[hearty wolf]

Nah what the fuck

[pale prairie]

Lmao so another class that does a Veteran thing better?

[gray juniper]

Ok you want skyrim basically

[hearty wolf]

Can we get an execution order for furries

[tulip kettle]

yeah from what i can see felinids literally dont actually exist in 40k beyond one single mention in a rulebook from 8 years ago

[hearty wolf]

I'm not really sure what they contribute other than misery

[nocturne dust]

Khajiit has furries if you have DLC

[young cliff]

"Kahjit is innocent, the skooma is not his"

[tulip kettle]

so like, sure, they are canon

but any media about them ever is just fan fiction

[pale prairie]

Man Skyrim really makes them seem pretty sketchy

[nocturne dust]

Videogame racism

[young cliff]

You mean that racism is not Warhammer exclusive?

[pale prairie]

Now Skitarii on the other hand…

[tulip kettle]

yeah dude i have 3k points of admech

love me binharic cant

[nocturne dust]

I feel like Skyrim out-racists 40k

[tulip kettle]

love me machine spirits

[pale prairie]

Ehhhhhh it’s close

[nocturne dust]

I mean, we actually see the racism in Skyrim and only hear about it in 40k

[pale prairie]

I mean Skyrim it’s like words, stereotypes, get these people out of my country.

40K is like “glass the planet of xenos”

[nocturne dust]

and ALL OF ELDER SCROLLS is founded on racism

[pale prairie]

Unified empire though of multiple races. Course they did shatter it along racial lines pre Skyrim

[nocturne dust]

The extremely racist Empire

[jovial juniper]

Listen
I know BW is Russian or something

[pale prairie]

ALL OF 40K is kill that guy over there cause he’s not human/Eldar/Ork/Dark Elf

[nocturne dust]

Not true, sometimes it's heresy

[young cliff]

Most of the time is heresy

[pale prairie]

Heresy=not being human

[young cliff]

Not anymore Bolt pistol noices

[nocturne dust]

Spoken like a properly indoctrinated citizen

[young cliff]

Ou mean a good citizen

[pale prairie]

Honestly would love some more race exclusive classes like ratling or skitarii or eldar something. It just ain’t gonna happen with these devs

[nocturne dust]

That would imply indoctrination, an official function of the Imperial state, is somehow not good

[nocturne dust]

I'd settle for the game TO FUNCTION

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-astartes-bolter-boltgun-dakka-gif-17604583

[tulip kettle]

Arch-domina strix

[pale prairie]

I have given up on that

[nocturne dust]

I've been lagging so much it's literally unplayable the past couple of days

[rancid jasper]

i want a skitarii so bad
for no good reason other than personal bias

[young cliff]

Honestly? It's starting to feel too much to ask (when are they gonna fix stuff like the rumbler and confident strike? )

[pale prairie]

Huh always wondered what was under the red robes

[nocturne dust]

Yesterday I had a match where I never went more than 20 seconds before disconnecting

[young cliff]

Also they stil haven't fixed the peril generated from surety of arms, giving 25% instead of 15%

[hearty wolf]

So the good old times, basically.

[nocturne dust]

No, you don't understand

[pale prairie]

*the good old now times

[nocturne dust]

The entire match was me disconnecting. The 20 seconds leading up to it were things floating in the air and not reacting at all level of shenanigans

I literally did nothing all match and got carried by a friendly ogryn

The ogryn even handed me a medkit each time I reconnected

[pale prairie]

It’s why Ogryn are the best

[nocturne dust]

not that I could use it, lol

[tulip kettle]

problem with other race based classes is, it doesnt fit the lore at all

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/take-care-of-me-wheelchair-monk-trip-broken-leg-gif-9176753920068571404

[tulip kettle]

even skitarii dont make sense

[young cliff]

He believed in you, but maybe should not believe in the ObeseFish servers

[tulip kettle]

they had to shoehorn arbs in, in a way that doesnt really fit

eldar is possible though...

theres already mentions of eldar following us around in the DT lore

[pale prairie]

They came to protect and control the new forge that makes true moebian steel. hadron was working as their informant to verify the machine before sending transmissions

[fluid knot]

I would bet on some sort of Admech unit

[young cliff]

Skitarii makes sense with Hadron making progress on her secret project

Eldar next because they are clearly getting close for the big fight soon

Felinids are inevitable, we will have them becauseMY beloved said so

[proper osprey]

i out perform both

[tulip kettle]

skitarii are a specific thing

they dont just hang out anywhere theres techpriests

[nocturne dust]

Remember kids, the lore serves the game and not the other way around

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/throw-axe-indian-matchmaking-axe-throw-toss-gif-17854557

[fluid knot]

KX playable character when

[rancid jasper]

is 16% the best toughness curio blessing?

[fluid knot]

17%

[tulip kettle]

17%

[young cliff]

The lore doesn't serve GW first and most?

[proper osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-dog-happy-dog-feliz-aniversário-feliz-gif-1848492113741934919

[rancid jasper]

and 25 for hp, 3 for stam right?

[fluid knot]

21%

[tulip kettle]

22

21*

[rancid jasper]

tf these are the most random numbers

[hearty wolf]

3 stamina you need to be careful about

It has to be 410 or higher

[tulip kettle]

they seem random

[hearty wolf]

Or it's fake

[tulip kettle]

but arent

for example toughness

[rancid jasper]

rounding error huh

[tulip kettle]

3 maxed toughness curios gives 66% toughness

[fluid knot]

Ngl, I have no fucking clue how curio item ratings work, they are random as fuck

[tulip kettle]

which, base toughness 60 = 100 toughness

[summer prairie]

no, it's because at 100 rating they would be 25 and 20

[tulip kettle]

also fits

[nocturne dust]

We'll never have 100 rating

[tulip kettle]

we will

[rancid jasper]

oh yeah why is stuff capped at 80??

[tulip kettle]

which is WHY i dont use the red mod

[pale prairie]

I have three 17% toughness curios with the exact same perks. One is 420 and the other two are 410

[tulip kettle]

one day we will get real red weapons

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-the-biggest-mystery-willy-wonka-and-the-chocolate-factory-is-the-biggest-secret-its-the-most-mysterious-thing-nobody-knows-that-gif-21430284

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[fluid knot]

Sounds about right, I'll log in later, pretty sure I have an unpgraded one thats 430 an will get picture, shit is whack

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-worry-about-things-that-will-never-happen-freddie-benson-icarly-stop-worrying-about-things-that-will-never-happen-dont-worry-beacause-it-will-never-happen-gif-21994248

[nocturne dust]

As it is, the game suffers severely from player power creep. Getting 100 would worsen that and be a huge mistake.

[ornate hamlet]

All, psyker Gandalfs, I need aid, or what do I need to do? How does one maintain maximum warp charges for 120 seconds ? I only have a handful of psyker penances, and this is one of them. Any tips are greatly appreciated.

I feel embarassed asking

[nocturne dust]

Don't use your ability

Your ability resets warp stacks

[tulip kettle]

i think its obvious that, at some point (10 years later) we will get a second hive (chaos wastes) and 100 max rating equipment

[ornate hamlet]

Anything specific ability wise or just don't use it

[tulip kettle]

just dont use it

and take psychic vampire

[ornate hamlet]

Well, fuck, I'm dumb

[nocturne dust]

They might've planned for it, but it would be a huge mistake

[fluid knot]

Ya know I really wouldnt be surprised if the next big content drop is another faction at the very least

[jovial juniper]

Step One get all Soulblaze talents except Souldrinker on the right
Step 2 get In Fire Reborn
Step 3 don't use ability

[tulip kettle]

and yes additional factions, they have made space in the lore for eldar and admech

[fluid knot]

Lot of hints about genestealers in voicelines tho

[ornate hamlet]

I'll do this later, thank you.

[fluid knot]

an they'd fit pretty well

[plucky flax]

Least racist serval cat.

[tulip kettle]

that one im not so sure about, and if anything they will be the beastmen faction of DT

[nocturne dust]

I can't wait for the next enemy faction to be scruffed up heretics, as opposed to the hobo heretics and the armored heretics

[fluid knot]

Probably yeah

[proper osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/hog-gif-8094635376221252150

[tulip kettle]

r/dontputyourdickinthat

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-gif-7118186382740991644

[pale prairie]

I don’t need 100 just change the number on the UI. Make 80 actually 100

[tulip kettle]

the game doesnt suffer from player power creep

at all

[nocturne dust]

I imagine it will break 30 things for no reason

[tulip kettle]

the game suffers from being available on consoles and to people with trash PC's

[nocturne dust]

I have a beast of a machine and Darktide does not run well

Darktide is at fault

[tulip kettle]

they cant scale enemy density so instead they add more armour

[nocturne dust]

I mean

Havoc was them scaling density

[tulip kettle]

yeah but thats the point its not

[nocturne dust]

and it was a real stupid move

[pale prairie]

Lmao changing a visual only thing would absolutely break the game

[tulip kettle]

they just add more armour

[pale prairie]

Is it the game or the servers?

[nocturne dust]

No, Havoc does actually have upped enemy counts

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[proper osprey]

i wish havoc hordes were regular hordes

[pale prairie]

Ooooooof

[tulip kettle]

normal - spawn 50 poxwalkers

havoc, spawn 40 poxwalkers and 10 crushers

thats not increasing density

[nocturne dust]

Right, but Havoc spawns way more groups quicker

[tulip kettle]

yes but its still capped on total entities

[fluid knot]

Player power has to come down for them to stop spamming armour

[nocturne dust]

so it's upped density in practice

[nocturne dust]

Auric doesn't normally reach cap

[fluid knot]

Which is risky, because nerfs? People absolutely will throw thier toys out the proverbial pram

[pale prairie]

There are definitely denser hordes of monstrosities

[tulip kettle]

havoc is just

[plucky flax]

Havoc has more density tho. I always have more kills in havoc even with a fast clear time.

[nocturne dust]

Yeh

[tulip kettle]

what if all the bruisers were ragers and crushers and maulers instead

yeah but again thats because the changes to tension

[nocturne dust]

Right

[tulip kettle]

not because the total entity cap is increased

[nocturne dust]

Nobody said anything about the total cap

[plucky flax]

More enemies more damage farm

Until crusher walts in and 1 shot me.

[pale prairie]

More getting squished by red crushers

[hearty wolf]

You said upped enemy counts which is why there's a confusion. Enemy counts ≠ total cap

It sounds similar tho

[tulip kettle]

right but thats my point, you arent increasing total density because you cant have more enemies alive at once in havoc than you can in auric

[nocturne dust]

Okay

People are agreeing with you there

[tulip kettle]

they just make more of the enemies have armour

[nocturne dust]

No need to keep repeating

[nocturne dust]

and spawn more in, so they actually hit the cap more frequently

which in turn means more density in general

[fluid knot]

You're both right

Same amount at any given time, total in mission greater

[nocturne dust]

It's not the same tho

[fluid knot]

Well it kinda is

[ripe obsidian]

This is misleading information. It's not 60% resist, but it is still beneficial to have 3. 3 effectively doubles your HP versus gunners. 2 is like a 50% increase or summat.

[nocturne dust]

Kind of but not really. The cap is the same, but that's a very, very different thing.

[fluid knot]

Density at any given time isnt any larger, it just replaces the things that have been killed faster

[tulip kettle]

and replaces them with tougher enemies

[nocturne dust]

Well, actually, density is larger because auric doesn't hit the cap that often

[fluid knot]

An tbh, im not even sure how much faster it is, I get the feeling its not hugely faster, its just because they add in enemies that are harder to kill, making it feel like a constant influx

[hearty wolf]

Yapyapyap but have you considered the density of your mom

[tulip kettle]

american brainrot

gtfo

[hearty wolf]

Alright mr party crash out 😭

[fluid knot]

I kinda miss the bugs in old Auric where every now an then the director would break and spawn stuff constantly, was fun

[tulip kettle]

ABC

always be crashing

[round summit]

is psyker and zealot worst classes?

[plucky flax]

I think it's vet and psyker.

[fluid knot]

No, Vet is the worst class

Its just a yellow bar distributor

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, Psyker is the worst class ever in the history of Darktide. All the youtubers say so. And they know everything. They're oracular.

[plucky flax]

Is tru I saw it in my dream.

[ripe obsidian]

A vision from the gods

[waxen jackal]

Damn taxe is awesome on every class

[nocturne dust]

I think Ogryn, Arbites, and Psyker are all really really bad and need buffs.

[pale prairie]

Oh no another has joined the movement

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/castorice-powercreep-hsr-castorice-hsr-dragon-gif-8292897753528429760

[plucky flax]

Looks like some mobile game.

[stiff lotus]

We need more buffs to take down the inevitable space marines coming to the game right guys

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-reaction-to-powercreep-problem-in-hsr-laughing-fuck-you-robin-hsr-honkai-star-rail-fuck-you-gif-7224835295986293519

[nocturne dust]

Honkai Star Rail

As with all Mihoyo games, horribly balanced

[waxen jackal]

I've been a taxe fan since before the buff. I just never thought to use it on psyker.

[plucky flax]

But hot anime grills.

[ripe obsidian]

A more serious answer is that "worst" is a subjective term. Psyker is only the worst for people who can't survive or avoid hits, because it's a class unforgiving of mistakes.

In terms of overall team effectiveness and impact, assuming players of equal skill, it's probably Ogryn > Psyker > Arbiter > Zealot > Veteran.

In terms of solo capability, it's probably Ogryn/Arbiter > Zealot > Psyker > Veteran.

In terms of what I want on my team in Havoc, it's Ogryn > Psyker > Zealot > Veteran >>>>> Arbiter. Because Arbiter players think this is a single-player game.

[pale prairie]

The movement I reference is the psyker tacaxe gang

[nocturne dust]

I'd put Arbiter above Psyker for team impact

Arbiter just running in and taking things to the face is really useful for the team

[stiff lotus]

Arby easily the most broken shit ever

[fluid knot]

Ogryn: Hold my beer

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe. I'm biased against arby because of how people play it.

[stiff lotus]

New players can’t get on ogryn and not fkn die

Arby truly is just dumb

[pale prairie]

Really really depends on how long they last taking shots to the face…

[waxen jackal]

Count me in. Do you use shred or headtaker with bromentum

[pale prairie]

I hear headtaker with bromentum is great. I am an FGS user myself

[stiff lotus]

No other class and face tank quite literally everything in the game for the amount of time arby can

[fluid knot]

Its strong, sure but Ogryn can literally turn the game off with AoE and mash LMB with borderline zero risk outside of trappers, also they can't be hemmed in by trash

[plucky flax]

As soon as the map started my team left.

[pale prairie]

I mean I have seen long lasting arbies and I have seen ones go down 15 sec after I stop keeping an eye on them

[nocturne dust]

Well, yeah, you can die on any class

But if we're looking at peak, Arby just goes ham

[tulip kettle]

the emperor gives his greatest challenges to his strongest soldiers.

[pale prairie]

Exactly I am more saying how useful they are is proportional to face tanking abilities

[stiff lotus]

Tis does happen

[pale prairie]

For sure a competent Arbie is crazy

[stiff lotus]

It’s wep are so good they are actually fkn boring

[pale prairie]

There is something funky happening with servers. People just dropping mid match and nobody dropping back in. Ran so many matches the other day at less than 4

[nocturne dust]

Matchmaking times for missions are way shorter

[pastel turtle]

Psyker is pretty strong just feels bad if your team starts going down, your ability to salvage a catastrophic situation feels a lot worse compared to Oggy or Arby. I think it mostly needs a skill tree rework so there's less exclusivity, like why does taking Assail functionally lock my out of Psykinetics Aura, silly.

[nocturne dust]

so after like 10 minutes or less, nobody new joins

[deft stump]

Can't reconnect without retrying like 10 times often.

Most ppl give up after 1-2 tries.

[pale prairie]

And this is a problem on snipers nest modifiers when I am Ogryn with gauntlet trying to keep two Psykers with inferno/shriek alive…..we died

[plucky flax]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1404136121587466322/Desktop_2025.08.10_-_17.14.51.04.mp4?ex=689abfea&is=68996e6a&hm=1ee38a1e313f24e1f2a8eff0b5605c637501ce457d1821c4571b190e29eefbaf&

[hearty wolf]

Almost finished workkkk

[pale prairie]

They need to move shit around and change some of the node bonuses to actually be interesting/useful.

[ripe obsidian]

Here we see the Arbiter in its natural environment: waist-deep in heretic filth. One might expect the Arbiter to play with its team, but as you can see, the Arbiter is a proud creature, and cannot contain its instinct to charge madly forward. Unfortunately, the Arbiter has not yet learned that Tertium is cruel to the prideful.

Alone as it is, the Arbiter is blissfully unaware of the Final Tolled Crusher wandering up behind it. Silent as all Crushers are, the only hint to its presence is the subtle red glow. The Arbiter stands no chance.

It's over in moments. The once-proud Arbiter is now a smear on the floor, and its team--a full room behind--will have nothing left to mourn.

[hearty wolf]

You say this

But me and Bean played with a Shroudfield Zealot

[ripe obsidian]

I say a lot of things.

[hearty wolf]

One of those shroudfield Zealot

He cleared the entire mission himself so good job I guess

[nocturne dust]

👁️ 👄 👁️

[hearty wolf]

Why do you know how to do creepy things like that old man

First the futa and now this

[pale prairie]

The number of arbies that don’t unnet…..

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/if-you-only-knew-the-power-dark-side-gif-10061896

[round summit]

seems i started somewhat of a discussion, and ofc subjetive opinions are valid 😄

[pale prairie]

Wait till you see his Pepe art with only punctuation and brackets

[ripe obsidian]

Mostly I am sick to death of Youtubers spouting nonsense about Psyker being weak because they can't dodge a hit.

[round summit]

dont watch any youtubers about darktide, i thought this was the consensus opinion after mostly reading discord

[nocturne dust]

"Which way, Darktide player?"

A) Youtubers who say Psyker is Bad
B) He Who Must Not Be Named 💀

[pale prairie]

Psyker is definitely solid. It really just needs a tune up that allows more interesting builds and Purgatus staff builds are a bit too strong in my opinion compared to everything else

[stiff lotus]

Ah the good days of shroudfield zealots.. truly separated little boys from men

[ripe obsidian]

...which discord channel?

[round summit]

my personal opinion (mostly auric mealstrom and some havoc gamer) arbit>orgyn>psy>vet>zealot

[round summit]

this

[ripe obsidian]

I don't think anyone who is here regularly seriously thinks Psyker is the weakest

[stiff lotus]

No way in hell

[pale prairie]

This guy named Six does

[stiff lotus]

Vet fkn sucks

[ripe obsidian]

Swap Ogryn and Arbiter, and Veteran and Zealot

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/marvel-avengers-finally-someone-who-speaks-english-captain-america-tony-stark-gif-17147260

[pale prairie]

Keeps ranting about it then throws GitHub links around

[hearty wolf]

I think Vet is far and away the worst

[round summit]

ive read it atleast a couple of time, sure some of them couldve been jokes

[ripe obsidian]

Sounds annoying

[stiff lotus]

Vet is the last class I’m leveling up and I just don’t even wanna finish lmao

[pale prairie]

He’s actually pretty cool

[pale prairie]

100% were jokes

The people who think psyker are the weakest don’t play the class

[nocturne dust]

Well they do

[jovial juniper]

Or get hit

[nocturne dust]

They just bounce off it cuz they can't dodge

[jovial juniper]

[ripe obsidian]

Or people coming in here to rant because they tried Psyker and died a bunch, since it's not immortal

[pale prairie]

REGULARLY

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-true-true-thats-correct-thats-right-pointing-gif-15746080

[weary idol]

gonna be real with you

I don't think arbites is even close to how broken ogryn is

[plucky flax]

@deft stump is looking for volunteers to carry

[weary idol]

And only arguably comparable to psyker if the person playing them is not very good

[nocturne dust]

AT REPEATED, STANDARDIZED INTERVALS

[summer prairie]

I'll play after this team wipes

[loud girder]

they hated him cause he said the truth

[round summit]

how come u think ogryns are better than arbit

[pale prairie]

I dunno the dog being able to negate being Hounded edges it in front for me. In addition to those shock mines

[weary idol]

The Rumbler

[plucky flax]

Okay if we have 1 more it should be easy.

[round summit]

i feel like arbit do more dmg and are tankiner and have dog

[plucky flax]

I have purple orange sycorax.

[ripe obsidian]

The only Ogryn I dislike having on my team is a backline rumbler spammer

[deft stump]

Purple blight refinery.

[jovial juniper]

Can't even one shot crushers

[ripe obsidian]

Ogryn has more CC, more damage, and more utility.

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/mid-this-shit-is-so-mid-it's-mid-gif-8902724714507480096

[nocturne dust]

Ogryn sucks cuz I can't dodge on them cuz it messes with my Psyker-wired dodge brain

[loud girder]

arb unironically has nothing that matches pickaxe spam or bully club spam even with btl

ogryn just hits the entire room

with no effort

[weary idol]

Psyker also hits the entire room but they take slight effort in avoiding enemy attacks

because sadly they are paper

[pale prairie]

Yeah but you have to build in those directions don’t you? Like can you be best in all three?

[weary idol]

and every heretic is a paper shredder