Was worth it.
#psyker-class
plucky flax
gray juniper
Exaction shotgun is maybe best choice for low recoil specialist sniping. Unless the team isn’t handling their weight, I usually don’t run out of ammo until last third of the map
gray juniper
Idk I’m kind of offended
plucky flax
pale prairie
Why karien staring.
When she isn’t carrying that’s what she does
gray juniper
Observing
marble crater
Why karien staring.
Get ready to be flamed too next
gray juniper
Judging
plucky flax
Get ready to be flamed too next
Tru
pale prairie
Oof
plucky flax
The SG flaming monster has awaken
gray juniper
Doom hath cometh
ripe obsidian
description = "loc_ability_zealot_pious_stabguy_tier_3_ability_2_description",
display_name = "loc_ability_zealot_pious_stabguy_tier_3_ability_2",
```
This name amuses mePious_Stabguy
gray juniper
In the games we played together, I never ran out of ammo and things were going smoothly. So I’m extra hurt Karien is staring me down still
ripe obsidian
"You should've dodged that. No, not like that. Dodge left! The other left, the one that's right! Oh, no, don't dodge now. Now you should be attacking. Not like that, your other attack! Too late, should've used the first attack."
ripe obsidian
In the games we played together, I never ran out of ammo and things were going s...
Karien staring just means she's watching your career with great interest. It's a compliment
marble crater
wait
I'm mad now
Remember Purgatus, Trauma and Surge?
strong gulch
Remember Purgatus, Trauma and Surge?
yes 😭
strong gulch
only postenders
ripe obsidian
Also, I looked at the code to answer my own question, and it seems like Loner does not impact enemy spawns at all. It only seems to impact toughness regen. I had heard, once, that it prevented the Director from doing loner_prevention stuff. That was a lie.
gray juniper
Yea I’ll join in. Heads up @trail panther that everything you’re doing is wrong and terrible (I’ll be on in a few minutes)
pale prairie
Yea I’ll join in. Heads up <@252562423830151170> that everything you’re doing i...
Ahh it takes a village
gray juniper
Had to get my magnetized coffee first
strong gulch
gray juniper
Exactly. This almond activating on another level
pale prairie
Had to get my magnetized coffee first
ripe obsidian
Had to get my magnetized coffee first
gray juniper
https://tenor.com/view/hank-explode-gif-5592816
pale prairie
https://tenor.com/view/physics-moving-white-silver-grey-gif-2333822095623563899
Here’s why melee is a difficult Strat. Granted this is an elite enemy but even the heavier grunts can sometimes keep attacking without heads
ripe obsidian
Here’s why melee is a difficult Strat. Granted this is an elite enemy but even t...
It is quite chompy
deft stump
I got dragged into another game, so enjoy the delayed stares.
radiant frigate
Here’s why melee is a difficult Strat. Granted this is an elite enemy but even t...
unironically i think alpha commanders would get dumpstered by stun lance
deft stump
pale prairie
It is quite chompy
Now imagine a whole bunch. Now add in some that can jump fly. Now add in smaller ones that can spit acid. Now add in bigger ones that go invisible. Now picture even bigger ones with a tongue attack stun that also turn invisible and can jump fly away…etc
gray juniper
Here’s why melee is a difficult Strat. Granted this is an elite enemy but even t...
Damn did you run out of dodges in this game too?
ripe obsidian
I got dragged into another game, so enjoy the delayed stares.
Your profile picture is different.
radiant frigate
Damn did you run out of dodges in this game too?
not exactly
thick forge
pale prairie
Damn did you run out of dodges in this game too?
No the dodges just have short I frames and have a timed delay in which you can’t do anything before you stand or move
radiant frigate
they go into a frenzy when you take their head off
strong gulch
Here’s why melee is a difficult Strat. Granted this is an elite enemy but even t...
One of my favorite memories is when one of those headless mothers was chasing my bud, but it ran into a light pole and made a donk sound when it hit and slowly slid down dead. lmao
radiant frigate
No the dodges just have short I frames and have a timed delay in which you can’t...
i sincerely doubt they have iframes
pale prairie
unironically i think alpha commanders would get dumpstered by stun lance
The first one sure
pale prairie
i sincerely doubt they have iframes
I think they do cause I have survived explosion shit that I shouldn’t even without democracy protects
radiant frigate
I think they do cause I have survived explosion shit that I shouldn’t even witho...
prone does somewhat resist explosions
pale prairie
The warp pack absolutely has zero I frames
tulip kettle
Also, I looked at the code to answer my own question, and it seems like Loner do...
really?
pale prairie
what about the silent charger from the back
NO THE DEATH LOOP AROUND THE TENTACLE GUY
celest quail
Hey everyone! I am currently rubber-banding between havoc 23 and 30 (will get promoted 1x and then demoted twice, hate it). I have been playing since the beta and consistently clear auric maelstrom on my psyker and ogryn. I waited a long time (maybe too long) to try and start havocs and since ive been pushing them, I really struggle to get coordinated team mates that take it seriously. Whether its people who seemingly still play like theyre the lone wolf-champ or role-playing their ogryn in voice chat, or just cant play into the team, it seems like im always taking one step forward and two steps back when I go with random team mates.
gray juniper
I think they do cause I have survived explosion shit that I shouldn’t even witho...
There’s a talent tree in helldivers 🙌
ripe obsidian
really?
I will find the code again. But the only thing I saw was that it overrides coherency_toughness_regen or something like that
trail panther
Yea I’ll join in. Heads up <@252562423830151170> that everything you’re doing i...
are you the zealot or is that someone else?
tulip kettle
because coherency 2 by itself does affect spawns
pale prairie
One of my favorite memories is when one of those headless mothers was chasing my...
My favorite moment was using a jump pack to escape a dead end alley from zombies and I hit a signpost fell down and was immediately eaten by zombies
tulip kettle
some of the spawn conditions have coherency checking
strong gulch
My favorite moment was using a jump pack to escape a dead end alley from zombies...
relatable
gray juniper
are you the zealot or is that someone else?
I just booted the game. A teensy bit more time please
I’m mistress steeltoe
ripe obsidian
some of the spawn conditions have coherency checking
celest quail
Has this been anyone elses experience, and, does anyone run a server or group where they push havoc progression and take it seriously? I love the challenge, and come from a hardcore MMO progression raiding background, so I would like to actually get into the 35+ brackets.
trail panther
someone had joined the call and I thought they were the zealot but after we got into the match they were like "bruh can I get in yet"
strong gulch
Could be one of those "the code says X but something alters or overrides X later".
tulip kettle
oh lol
trail panther
despite watching my stream btw
strong gulch
lol
tulip kettle
https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/72cde1c088677d22b3830d968...
that is its effect on the player
ripe obsidian
Hey everyone! I am currently rubber-banding between havoc 23 and 30 (will get pr...
High 20s to low 30s is the hellscape of Havoc
plucky flax
is there Any EU warlords
Nein
tulip kettle
but there is clearly code somewhere else called special_rules.zealot_always_at_least_one_coherency
gray juniper
Has this been anyone elses experience, and, does anyone run a server or group wh...
Add me on here and I’ll see if we can help each other climb up. Hopefully no smite psykers, rumbler dependent ogryns or wildcard zealots. I can play psyker, Arby, zealot
tulip kettle
and im pretty sure that will make it so you are always in coherency
pale prairie
Has this been anyone elses experience, and, does anyone run a server or group wh...
There is a series of channels divided by region where you can post LFG in and find likeminded people then use the discord server chat rooms (strike teams) to coordinate
tulip kettle
so therefore it will effect special spawning because special spawning has coherency checks
ripe obsidian
that is its effect on the player
plucky flax
Get karien to carry you in h40 
tulip kettle
yeah exactly
strong gulch
Has this been anyone elses experience, and, does anyone run a server or group wh...
Use the vox channel here in the discord with your stated intent. Have a team that works together is a big help.
tulip kettle
so there you go loner does affect special spawning
visual phoenix
Get karien to carry you in h40 <:whatthefuck_heresy:1049724444207239168>
if only there is anyone
to the bed i go
tulip kettle
i can play a havoc
ripe obsidian
so there you go loner does affect special spawning
Not that I can see
ripe obsidian
There is nothing in the code that I can find that actually changes how Loner affects spawns
strong gulch
I went to bed at 9 40 last night
That's how you wake up at 4 am
plucky flax
That's how you wake up at 4 am
I wake up at 530 start the day nice and early
celest quail
Add me on here and I’ll see if we can help each other climb up. Hopefully no sm...
Sure! Ive added a few people ive found on here, would love to get a collection of regular team mates going. No, I do not play smite in havoc (its fun in low diff settings sometimes though). I do run the rumbler on my ogryn sometimes, but its not my favorite tbh and i usually dont have it out when I do anyways. I feel like ogryn ranged weapons are all over the place right now.
tulip kettle
local loner_prevention_breed_name = loner_prevention_breeds[math.random(1, #loner_prevention_breeds)]
Log.info("SpecialsPacing", "Trying to inject loner prevention breed %s.", loner_prevention_breed_name)
local success = self:try_inject_special(loner_prevention_breed_name, nil, target_unit)
local cooldown = success and template.loner_prevention_cooldown or template.loner_prevention_failed_cooldown
self._loner_prevention_cooldown = t + math.random_range(cooldown[1], cooldown[2])
self._loner_timer = nil
local rush_cooldown = success and template.rush_prevention_cooldown or template.rush_prevention_failed_cooldown
if rush_cooldown then
self._rush_prevention_cooldown = t + math.random_range(rush_cooldown[1], rush_cooldown[2])
end
like this
its based on alone status
visual phoenix
aint reading shit
tulip kettle
and loner prevents alone status
visual phoenix
smartys
ripe obsidian
if num_units_in_coherency == 1 then
ALONE_TARGETS[#ALONE_TARGETS + 1] = player_unit
end```
Loner does not change this.Wake up at 530 at weekend is based. You get so much time
ripe obsidian
and loner prevents alone status
No, it doesn't
It just overrides toughness regen rates
dull scroll
local loner_prevention_breed_name = loner_prevention_breeds[math.random(1, #lone...
"breed breed breed breed breed breed breed breed"
tulip kettle
no it doesnt
dull scroll
that's all I'm seeing
thorn cedar
Loner doesn't actually, literally, change your coherency from 0 to 1
celest quail
There is a series of channels divided by region where you can post LFG in and fi...
I do use this by the way, im just looking for more CONSISTENT team members where we can learn and synergize with each others playstyles and builds. Building a totaly new team every time can be somewhat chaotic.
thorn cedar
it will still say 0 if you are alone
it sets your coherency regen position as though you are always at 1
tulip kettle
special_rules.zealot_always_at_least_one_coherency
plucky flax
Playing with random using in game lfg tool is what makes it fun
5 losses for every win
ripe obsidian
return zealot_1.coherency.toughness_min_stack_override
end```Literally, it just overrides toughness regen
dull scroll
if I inv people from my lists then h40 becomes an auric game and I have no chance at farming insane scoreboards
ripe obsidian
Yes, it is.
tulip kettle
special_rules.zealot_always_at_least_one_coherency
is not talent_extension:has_special_rule(special_rules.zealot_always_at_least_one_coherency)
thats a talent extension
ripe obsidian
The special rule is just the talent.
tulip kettle
no its not
celest quail
Playing with random using in game lfg tool is what makes it fun
haha I have met some very good players this way, but for every rank I climb, I will lose 4 games in the first tile/room to people just being goofy.
plucky flax
haha I have met some very good players this way, but for every rank I climb, I w...
Tru
celest quail
if I inv people from my lists then h40 becomes an auric game and I have no chanc...
I do put up stupid numbers with randoms sometimes, but at this point I just want to get out of the havoc rubber-band "hellscape" haha.
plucky flax
2 good players can still make havoc fun. 3 good players and it became kind of boring with things die too fast similar to auric. Unless ai go insane with spawns
tulip kettle
this also does not explain why the buff indicator for coherency always shows a minimum of 2 when using loner
celest quail
I do tend to get some shitty modifier combinations lol
red/purple pretty frequent. I actually appreciate a good rituals game.
plucky flax
15 mins tru survivor h40 with some space marine oggy rush lord guy 
visual phoenix
2 good players can still make havoc fun. 3 good players and it became kind of bo...
Insane ai usualy means 0 spawns
ripe obsidian
this also does not explain why the buff indicator for coherency always shows a m...
I will keep looking, but I am pretty sure that's due to the coherency regen rate
plucky flax
Insane ai usualy means 0 spawns
I guess insane either way yeah
plucky flax
I do but im noob 
visual phoenix
🥀
celest quail
2 good players can still make havoc fun. 3 good players and it became kind of bo...
I do have a good friend that will play with me from time to time but he doesnt take it very serious lol.
thorn cedar
Just last night, the last hallway before the finale for smelter complex.
AI director just said fuck these guys and spawned an endless loop of specials from around the corner while we were getting smelly armour'd.
We went from breezing the map to three down in about five seconds.
verbal thistle
get surged
visual phoenix
yesss
thats the fun
verbal thistle
F
thorn cedar
I pushed a single poxburster and it detonated ten
ripe obsidian
this also does not explain why the buff indicator for coherency always shows a m...
Yeah, every talent has a special_rule value. It's just the variable to call elsewhere.
local special_rule = talent.special_rule
if special_rule then
local identifier = special_rule.identifier
local special_rule_name = special_rule.special_rule_name```
Variable or method or whatever the proper term is.@gray juniper added you by the way
ripe obsidian
special_rules, buff_template_tiers = {}, {}```Yes, @brave sandal drew my vet so...
tulip kettle
this bit of code is just assigning special rules
ripe obsidian
Special rules are talents.
tulip kettle
yeah exactly i think you need to find the bit of code to see where talents actually are
tulip kettle
no you didnt
you linked player buff templates
its not the same thing
idk what to say any more
plucky flax
Your profile picture is different.
It's fake karien.
tulip kettle
templates.zealot_always_in_coherency_buff = {
class_name = "buff",
coherency_id = "zealot_always_at_least_one_coherency",
coherency_priority = 2,
hud_icon = "content/ui/textures/icons/buffs/hud/zealot/zealot_aura_always_in_coherency",
hud_icon_gradient_map = "content/ui/textures/color_ramps/talent_ability",
hud_priority = 5,
predicted = false,
buff_category = buff_categories.aura,
related_talents = {
"zealot_always_in_coherency",
},
ripe obsidian
[Class_name]_talents.lua is where it is determined if the talent is active, which then references the buff_templates.lua, unless I am very mistaken. Which I might be, it is possible.
tulip kettle
dear god its so annoying to try to parse this code when you cant click a thing to go to the thing
dull scroll
did you draw that 
tulip kettle
[Class_name]_talents.lua is where it is determined if the talent is active, whic...
i think this cant be correct
ripe obsidian
dear god its so annoying to try to parse this code when you cant click a thing t...
I need to figure out if toughness_min_stack_override is just toughness or not, because that is all the Loner aura impacts
tulip kettle
i just dont agree with this
at all
templates.zealot_always_in_coherency_buff = {
defining the template
class_name = "buff"
buff_category = buff_categories.aura
related_talents = {
"zealot_always_in_coherency",
deft stump
did you draw that <:pogryn:961977701533614130>
No, @brave sandal did.
tulip kettle
none of this is the code for the loner talent
ripe obsidian
Yes, it is.
marble crater
No, <@386909497714671618> did.
Did you know that Licht is German for light 
ripe obsidian
description = "loc_talent_zealot_always_in_coherency_description",
display_name = "loc_talent_zealot_always_in_coherency",
icon = "content/ui/textures/icons/talents/zealot_1/zealot_1_base_3",
name = "Aura: Always count as in at least 2 coherency",
format_values = {
coherency_min_stack = {
format_type = "number",
value = talent_settings_1.coherency.toughness_min_stack_override,
},
},
special_rule = {
identifier = "zealot_always_at_least_one_coherency",
special_rule_name = special_rules.zealot_always_at_least_one_coherency,
},
coherency = {
buff_template_name = "zealot_always_in_coherency_buff",
identifier = "zealot_aura",
priority = 2,
},
passive = {
buff_template_name = "zealot_backstab_kills_while_loner_aura_tracking_buff",
identifier = "zealot_backstab_kills_while_loner_aura_tracking_buff",
},
},```name = "Aura: Always count as in at least 2 coherency",
tulip kettle
yes this is the code for the talent
ripe obsidian
I don't understand the disagreement, then
marble crater
tulip kettle
you didnt post this
fluid knot
name = "Aura: Always count as in at least 2 coherency",
It used to be two, at which point it did remove away from team spawns, but i beleive it was changed due to idiots trying to speedrun
tulip kettle
and now you did
tulip kettle
i can just point out what i mean
format_values = {
coherency_min_stack = {
format_type = "number",
value = talent_settings_1.coherency.toughness_min_stack_override,
you are much better at navigating the code than i am
please could you show me talent_settings_1.coherency.toughness_min_stack_override,
fluid knot
The Ogryn with the Duelling Sword made me chuckle
tulip kettle
no thats not the same thing
sinful perch
Has the Arbites left side keystones been fixed yet or are we still waiting
deft stump
The Ogryn with the Duelling Sword made me chuckle
I know, Licht basically had the lore be his vet giving Krunt it. Said that it can kill even gods.
ripe obsidian
no thats not the same thing
It's either that or this. That only shows up 3 times that I can find.
tulip kettle
thats what it is
and look
it sets your coherency to 2
madness
also we have not even covered wtf this is
special_rules.zealot_always_at_least_two_coherency
ripe obsidian
That is the talent being on or off
sinful perch
also we have not even covered wtf this is
Isn't there a talent that makes you count as in coherency when alone
ripe obsidian
Talent and special_rule are synonyms, near as I can tell
Lemme get on my PC and off my phone so I can do this more efficiently
tulip kettle
honestly you are just starting and im about done with this ngl 😅
ripe obsidian
it sets your coherency to 2
It sets the toughness regen to 2. I don't think that is the same as the loner_prevention rule.
tulip kettle
i think it sets toughness min stack override to 2
ripe obsidian
Yes, it does that. But I don't believe that is relevant to loner_prevention
pale prairie
Huh so the numbers in brackets are the steam friend codes? Thought it was some server related stuff 
marble crater
Darktide code, not steam
pale prairie
Darktide code, not steam
Roger I assume I have to go into the game to see that
tulip kettle
and i think toughness min stack override is the setting within coherency for the player that defines the number of people you are in coherency with, logically just for toughness regen purposes but i think its just the one variable thats used for defining how many people you are in coherency with, but i am extremely open to being wrong on that.
marble crater
Roger I assume I have to go into the game to see that
Social, find player. Yes
tulip kettle
which would also explain why your HUD shows 2 for coherency
ripe obsidian
Okay, I am now at my PC. Give me a moment to get everything together
tulip kettle
yeah im actually 100% convinved after reviewing
zealot_always_in_coherency = {
description = "loc_talent_zealot_always_in_coherency_description",
display_name = "loc_talent_zealot_always_in_coherency",
icon = "content/ui/textures/icons/talents/zealot_1/zealot_1_base_3",
name = "Aura: Always count as in at least 2 coherency",
format_values = {
coherency_min_stack = {
format_type = "number",
value = talent_settings_1.coherency.toughness_min_stack_override,
zealot_1 = {
combat_ability = {},
grenade = {},
coherency = {
toughness_min_stack_override = 2,
it makes your coherency 2
to be precise, it makes coherency_min_stack = 2
ripe obsidian
I am still gathering my information. Be patient. >:(
tulip kettle
yeah no worries 🙂
tulip kettle
player_unit.coherency_extension:num_units_in_coherency()
ripe obsidian
Yes, that is in my pastebin
nowhere does it reference zealot or always_in_coherency or toughness_min_stack or anything else from above.
tulip kettle
it shouldnt
it should just be a number
yeah it is
wow
so in your pastebin
format_values = {
coherency_min_stack = {
format_type = "number",
value = talent_settings_1.coherency.toughness_min_stack_override,
this is a function
that gives you coherency min stack of "2"
ripe obsidian
Every talent has that function.
description = "loc_zealot_improved_stun_grenade_desc",
display_name = "loc_zealot_improved_stun_grenade",
icon = "content/ui/textures/icons/talents/zealot_2/zealot_2_tier_5_2",
name = "Improved Stun Grenade",
format_values = {
talent_name = {
format_type = "loc_string",
value = "loc_ability_shock_grenade",
},```every talent has the function "value = talent_settings_1.coherency.toughness_min_stack_override" ?
yeah no it doesnt
ripe obsidian
Has format_value, not the whole toughness thing
tulip kettle
that one doesnt have it
yes of course
because the talent is setting values
?
that one is a string not a number
in this case, we set the number, of coherency_min_stack, to the value stored at talent_settings_1.coherency.toughness_min_stack_override
which is 2
ripe obsidian
I do not disagree.
tulip kettle
so now, when we look at coherency extension
we have self._num_units_in_coherence = 0
tulip kettle
yes i also agree that i cant see the code that does anything with coherency_min_stack
but its the whole purpose of this bit of code
zealot_always_in_coherency = {
description = "loc_talent_zealot_always_in_coherency_description",
display_name = "loc_talent_zealot_always_in_coherency",
icon = "content/ui/textures/icons/talents/zealot_1/zealot_1_base_3",
name = "Aura: Always count as in at least 2 coherency",
format_values = {
coherency_min_stack = {
format_type = "number",
value = talent_settings_1.coherency.toughness_min_stack_override,
i assume somewhere will be a link between self._num_units_in_coherence and coherency_min_stack
ripe obsidian
Again, logically I agree. But I can't find anything in the code to back this up
tulip kettle
but noteably, the coherency code has no way of updating those values
ripe obsidian
I think it probably should work that way
tulip kettle
so its obviously somewhere else
ripe obsidian
Or it's missing
tulip kettle
right but if it was missing
everyone would always be in 0 coherency
within the entire unit_coherency_extension.lua
there is no way to update any of the variables
ripe obsidian
I am going to keep digging
strong gulch
Y'all might get more traction if you ask kuli or maybe exhillious if they know.
ripe obsidian
I could. But I want to figure it out myself. >:(
lyric burrow
DT code is truly an engima
Will what your looking for be buried in some random file that is named oddly? Will be just be vermintide names? We may never know
tulip kettle
i think we are both on the same page at this point, we are clearly missing something, but the entire thing is to define coherency min stack as 2, but we cant figure out where coherency_min_stack is used
strong gulch
all I can offer is kuli guide says the stat buff for loner is toughness_coherency_regen_rate_modifier
but y'all probably already know and have talked about that
tulip kettle
yeah the thing is, loner very obviously sets your coherency toughness regen to a state higher than it should be
but it also gives the player " coherency_min_stack " a value of " 2"
thats like the whole thing it does
but then "coherency min stack" variable is not used anywhere that i can find so far
round coyote
What's the perk/blessing setup for electrokinetic staff?
tulip kettle
but also, within the code for coherency, the only way for a players coherency to not be 0 is by something else entering coherency with the player and not leaving
deft stump
ripe obsidian
but also, within the code for coherency, the only way for a players coherency to...
The whole UnitCoherencyExtension.on_coherency_enter = function (self, coherency_unit, coherency_extension, t) thing, yes?
strong gulch
What's the perk/blessing setup for electrokinetic staff?
flak + unyielding / maniac
nexus + flurry
dump WR
round coyote
flak + unyielding / maniac
nexus + flurry
dump WR
ty
tulip kettle
The whole `UnitCoherencyExtension.on_coherency_enter = function (self, coherency...
indeed
deft stump
I played 3 missions and you are all still arguing over loner?
ripe obsidian
For some reason there's also a +3 Loner in here
tulip kettle
yeah thats what i mentioned earlier
just randomly crops up in places
like wtf is that
pale prairie
For some reason there's also a +3 Loner in here
Two zealots both with loner?
ripe obsidian
Two zealots both with loner?
description = "loc_ability_zealot_pious_stabguy_tier_3_ability_2_description",
display_name = "loc_ability_zealot_pious_stabguy_tier_3_ability_2",
icon = "content/ui/textures/icons/talents/zealot_1/zealot_1_tier_3_2",
name = "Count as in at least 3 coherency",```Whoa improved. Wonder if it’s part of a future change or something just for QA testing new maps? Throw on a zealot and run the map solo?
round coyote
flak + unyielding / maniac
nexus + flurry
dump WR
To continue on this route, what build would have the best survivability with the electro staff?
ripe obsidian
The other Zealot auras also have a stat buff directly linked, which I suppose makes sense. Loner doesn't.
round coyote
I know a lot of survivability is player based, I'm just looking for something more on the defensive end if possible
strong gulch
To continue on this route, what build would have the best survivability with the...
meta staff builds for maels and below in the 3rd pin
ripe obsidian
related_talents = {
"zealot_always_in_coherency",
},
}```
versus
```buff_category = buff_categories.aura,
max_stacks = talent_settings_2.coherency.max_stacks,
stat_buffs = {
[stat_buffs.toughness_damage_taken_multiplier] = talent_settings_2.coherency.toughness_damage_taken_multiplier,
},```Thanks 🙂
Why is it maels and below? Are staffs not really used in havoc?
ripe obsidian
Staves are 3/4 good in havoc
ripe obsidian
Let me rearrange that sentence. 3/4 staves are good in havoc.
round coyote
Let me rearrange that sentence. 3/4 staves are good in havoc.
Would I be correct in saying that the one i picked is the one that isnt good lol
weary idol
no
strong gulch
I know a lot of survivability is player based, I'm just looking for something mo...
Having deflector and KD helps a lot. But always dodge, slide, or hold block while checking boxes etc.
You can charge or cast while sliding.
ripe obsidian
Nah, EK is still good.
weary idol
VoidSTRIKE is the bad one
round coyote
Oh okay word
ripe obsidian
Voidstrike is the source of Psyker sadness
earnest cobalt
Why is voidstrike bad? Its my fav after inferno
pale prairie
Inferno is easiest, trauma is great but requires a little skill to not remove frontline chaff from your buddies using them to farm toughness, EK is tough because of the health bonuses armor and sometimes stagger resistance.
Voidstrike just makes the enemies laugh at your ineffective pea shooter. Doesn’t do enough damage, long charge time, hardly cleaves
pale prairie
Why is voidstrike bad? Its my fav after inferno
They nerfed some talent interactions with it that reduced its usefulness in comparison.
warm glade
Inferno is easiest, trauma is great but requires a little skill to not remove fr...
EK feels underwhelming, too bad because I love it
strong gulch
Why is it maels and below? Are staffs not really used in havoc?
The builds are not centered around havoc. High havoc assumed; 35+. I assume that if you're asking for a build from the grounds up for havoc, then you're not looking to do high havocs.
Edit to add the inferno and VB are the meta picks in havoc and those staves have a note on them for havocs.
ripe obsidian
buff_template_name = "zealot_backstab_kills_while_loner_aura_tracking_buff",
identifier = "zealot_backstab_kills_while_loner_aura_tracking_buff",
},```
This is interesting to me. I don't think it's currently implemented.How about voidblast?
pale prairie
EK feels underwhelming, too bad because I love it
I refuse to bow to inferno
warm glade
I use voidblast and ek only
earnest cobalt
What is ek?
ripe obsidian
What is ek?
Zapstick
earnest cobalt
What
tulip kettle
```passive = {
buff_template_name = "zealot_backstab_kills_while...
i think this is penance tracking
strong gulch
inferno and VB are the meta picks in havoc and those staves have a note on them for havocs
ripe obsidian
i think this is penance tracking
Makes sense. I don't know Zealot penances
pale prairie
How about voidblast?
High havoc and staves are all about getting as much fire dots on everything in range as long and as fast as possible. The voidblast can do that while also staggering enemies (as long as the modifier preventing stagger isn’t on the havoc) it’s great when built correctly just requires you to be careful with placement so that frontline can still farm toughness. Also barrel and bursters just explode from the blast
gray juniper
Operation Mercy Kill was a success
ripe obsidian
Operation Mercy Kill was a success
Not kind to kill people who ask for help.
pale prairie
Operation Mercy Kill was a success
What is that? A bird flew into your window?
warm glade
High havoc and staves are all about getting as much fire dots on everything in r...
I use it to apply brittleness because sometimes no one brings it
pale prairie
Not kind to kill people who ask for help.
You didn’t know @gray juniper is a Commissar
pale prairie
I use it to apply brittleness because sometimes no one brings it
That helps too
gray juniper
Not kind to kill people who ask for help.
He wanted to use smite, so we did for him what any one of us would ask another to do
warm glade
Its great to remove bursters from distance
tulip kettle
haha
gray juniper
Jokes. He’s a good player and we pointed out some update changes on talents and blessings, which he made adjustments and perform very well after
gray juniper
I use it to apply brittleness because sometimes no one brings it
I wish we had OPTIONS on secondary damage application besides soul blaze on everything
marble crater
Should I play smite?
deft stump
He wanted to use smite, so we did for him what any one of us would ask another t...
Even then... got stuck with a random smyker due to gacha luck... Wouldn't think of purposely knocking them off.
bright summit
Surge staff is also extremely good on havocs just in a different manner compared to purge and vblast
tulip kettle
Should I play smite?
gray juniper
Even then... got stuck with a random smyker due to gacha luck... Wouldn't think ...
I won’t barrel anyone in pubs but I will leave the match before it starts
earnest cobalt
Should I play smite?
Just do what you want
tulip kettle
i just like to knock crushers behind them with trauma then go on my merry way
deft stump
I won’t barrel anyone in pubs but I will leave the match before it starts
More like, that one guy keeps dropping into games I'm in.
bright summit
Run so far ahead so the smite player is a couple areas behind you and then start playing the game
jovial juniper
pale prairie
https://tenor.com/view/falling-down-michael-douglas-gun-aim-gif-14594417
Wait he has to remember why he hates it
ripe obsidian
@brisk rock do you mind if I DM you with code questions? I don't want to clutter this chat up anymore.
gray juniper
Also you let them live
I had to keep playing. Boss spawns for the abomination protocols penance getting done
I feel bad that zealot died doing his job tho
ripe obsidian
I wonder if Smite would be less hated if it worked more similarly to Arby's shock mine. Something like 3 charges, recharge 1x per minute, and press G to stun a cone of enemies for 5-8 seconds. Like a mix of arby mine and zealot shock grenade.
edgy smelt
i think smite would be less hated if it didnt exist
ripe obsidian
How insightful.
radiant frigate
i think smite would be less hated if it was an alternate fire mode for surge
ripe obsidian
i think smite would be less hated if it was an alternate fire mode for surge
As in, hold LMB to smite, RMB for current RMB?
gray juniper
i think smite would be less hated if it was an alternate fire mode for surge
Remind me of the chat three Gs again?
ripe obsidian
Galways Ge Glosing?
radiant frigate
Remind me of the chat three Gs again?
gaslight gatekeep greatsword
gray juniper
gaslight gatekeep greatsword
Right Ty Ty Ty
radiant frigate
As in, hold LMB to smite, RMB for current RMB?
something like that yeah
marble crater
There is anti smyker protection in my game 
radiant frigate
but perhaps the "smite" part could have a windup a la inferno staff
ripe obsidian
something like that yeah
I could see that. Could maybe replace the middle blitz with something like a vortex. Like, a small black hole-ish thing that pulls enemies in. That way it keeps the identity of AOE CC without being quite so obnoxious.
brisk rock
<@105357345344753664> do you mind if I DM you with code questions? I don't want ...
go ahead
radiant frigate
I could see that. Could maybe replace the middle blitz with something like a vor...
i would probably put like a flamestrike of sorts on the middle blitz spot
sorry voidblast
pale prairie
I wonder if Smite would be less hated if it worked more similarly to Arby's shoc...
Yeah it’s gotta have a max duration with uses that come off cooldown
edgy smelt
we go from Palpatine to vader
pale prairie
force choke
This might be….dangerous
radiant frigate
force choke is just bb
i meant more like a cc
strong gulch
Levitation staff like in VT2
radiant frigate
Ye
tulip kettle
force choking multiple people seems wrong though
strong gulch
I want a parry shotgun staff.
tulip kettle
this is why black hole staff
pale prairie
As in, hold LMB to smite, RMB for current RMB?
But how do I kill snipers????
radiant frigate
But how do I kill snipers????
with your newly opened blitz slot
tulip kettle
you aim it like trauma, and a black hole rises from the ground to like 3m in the air sucking everything in and up
round coyote
What y’all think are psykers best horde clear melee options? Mixed horde preferably
radiant frigate
What y’all think are psykers best horde clear melee options? Mixed horde prefera...
force greatsword
big sword propaganda
tulip kettle
MK8 slightly better vs hordes but MK6 is just better overall
pale prairie
with your newly opened blitz slot
strong gulch
The special is a parry and the primary is a shotgun that gets buffed by the parry. Secondary can be a fire scattershot or the ground is lava
tulip kettle
primary low dmg massive spread
seconday high damage narrow spread
i love the idea of the parry buffing the attack
literal soulstealer
round coyote
Def or warp resist dump on fgs
hearty wolf
I'm coming back from wedding
tulip kettle
warp res
round coyote
Alr
radiant frigate
warp res
tulip kettle
the lower the better
strong gulch
Image we actually steal souls and use them to buff attacks. |
but I guess that's reinventing FGS but on staff
tulip kettle
its embarassing
pale prairie
Image we actually steal souls and use them to buff attacks. |
but I guess that'...
Eat souls to regain toughness?
tulip kettle
strong gulch
Eat souls to regain toughness?
What a new concept that I have never seen or heard of before.
tulip kettle
have you ever seen such low spawns on a 40
hearty wolf
The director was compensating because I had book and couldn't deal damage
So less spawns
tulip kettle
still managed to down
tulip kettle
sniffing bonbons butt
hearty wolf
Only because BoN made me angry in the last 2 minutes of the mission 😭
But it's okay, I deserved to be angry for using thammer
tulip kettle
round coyote
What’s the setup for fgs? Like perks and blessings
tulip kettle
carapace and your choice, usually unyielding or maniac
then unstable power and your choice of second blessing, usually wrath or shred
for horde clearing wrath
round coyote
Ty
tulip kettle
maniac gives 1 shots on mutants with H2
pale prairie
And ragers
tulip kettle
you can L1-H2 to quickly face stab them
round coyote
Ok last Q for now, what’s the setup for illisi sword
round coyote
Yeah that’s not what I asked tho
tulip kettle
its just better illisi
round coyote
Silly
hearty wolf
Maniac cara or replace one of the two for stamina.
Then uncanny deflector or uncanny slaughter
tulip kettle
and then die when crushers come
pale prairie
and then die when crushers come
Now that’s some premium Darktide
tulip kettle
no you need flak on illisi for horde clear
really
and cara is a waste of time
because you literally are never killing crushers with it
tulip kettle
ikr
round coyote
I mean I can set up Deimos
Just looking for an alternative to fgs
So I can have both
radiant frigate
back on the previous topic of a blitz replacing smite, and smite going to surge as an alternative mode:
i have a really harebrained idea of putting Choice of Second Ult in that blitz spot
tulip kettle
deimos is the force sword version of duelling sword
hearty wolf
The alternative is trauma
radiant frigate
so no blitz but two ults
tulip kettle
illisi is just baby worse force greatsword
round coyote
Yeah I’ll use Deimos then ig
pale prairie
back on the previous topic of a blitz replacing smite, and smite going to surge ...
Wait like ability?
radiant frigate
Wait like ability?
Ye
tulip kettle
but deimos has poor horde clear, same as duelling sword
round coyote
So this for Deimos?
radiant frigate
so you can have sg bubble
pale prairie
so you can have sg bubble
What about vent and sg?
tulip kettle
So this for Deimos?
yes
radiant frigate
or shriek sg
pale prairie
tulip kettle
but its not for hordes really
hearty wolf
back on the previous topic of a blitz replacing smite, and smite going to surge ...
If it had a nerfed CD speed, sure.
tulip kettle
just armour and mutants
pale prairie
That could so quickly get out of hand
hearty wolf
That didn't benefit from psykinetics aura too
tulip kettle
same as DS
hearty wolf
Or cd curios
radiant frigate
That didn't benefit from psykinetics aura too
naturally
tulip kettle
the reason to run Deimos or illisi, is if you are taking the "deflector blessing"
hearty wolf
If you had scriers shriek, you get -50% peril and get Warp Bound where you have to cast for 10 seconds or you die
tulip kettle
else you would just be better running duelling sword or FGS respectively
tulip kettle
and then the MK6 FGS just kills hordes and armour so well
its like, why take anything else
pale prairie
Cause I like 8
tulip kettle
8 is also cool
radiant frigate
Like one would have no upgrades right? Would just be barebones
depending on how many points you are willing to invest, but it would take some tuning for sure
ornate hamlet
I like whichever FGS has the alternated diagonal overheads
pale prairie
but 6 better
For you perhaps
tulip kettle
6 has stab and overhead
pale prairie
8 has only overheads
Nah it has a stab
ornate hamlet
8 is based then
hearty wolf
6 is the only correct opinion
tulip kettle
only after push attack
radiant frigate
but having a backpocket force blast for a bunch of instant stagger is how i got to that idea
tulip kettle
that does not count
radiant frigate
because that just sounds like shriek
pale prairie
only after push attack
Which I am using anyway to CC crushers and ragers
radiant frigate
6 is epic
tulip kettle
yeah sure but then do the same with MK6 and actually 2 shot them
hearty wolf
Push attack into a single target is criminal
pale prairie
Still one shots muties to the head without maniac
pale prairie
Ooof yeah at havoc 40 that’s fair
tulip kettle
but with maniac they both do on the stab
radiant frigate
don't much like PA heavy being the only real single target opener
tulip kettle
plus, the 6 horde clear is only slightly worse than 8
radiant frigate
mk6 heavies go bonk from any position
standing, sprint, whatever
mk6 has immediate ST access at any point in its combos
pale prairie
That’s nice
ripe obsidian
@tulip kettle I spoke with Kuli a bit, and they confirmed that the Loner talent does not actually impact the director's spawns. It's fake coherency, solely for toughness regen. If the Zealot is alone, then coherency_extension:num_units_in_coherency() still returns 1.
verbal thistle
<@453628860567650304> I spoke with Kuli a bit, and they confirmed that the Loner...
it never did funnily enough
tulip kettle
<@453628860567650304> I spoke with Kuli a bit, and they confirmed that the Loner...
awesome so, coherency_min_stack does nothing?
verbal thistle
people thought loner reduced spawns on them....
pale prairie
there's always a bonk
By bonk you mean overhead or stab?
tulip kettle
the loner talent sets player.coherency_min_stack to "2"
but apparently this variable isnt used for anything
radiant frigate
By bonk you mean overhead or stab?
by bonk i mean strikedown type attacks
pale prairie
Verticals
radiant frigate
single target armor cracker
tulip kettle
in which case yes it wont reduce specials or do anything
radiant frigate
be it overhead or stab
pale prairie
Mhmmm
vestal trench
my only wish is that the imperium exterminatus every super earth colony inshallah
tulip kettle
but then why bother making the loner talent create a variable called coherency_min_stack, set it to 2, then do nothing with it
verbal thistle
pale prairie
my only wish is that the imperium exterminatus every super earth colony inshalla...
What in the Democracy is this Fascist propaganda
radiant frigate
my only wish is that the imperium exterminatus every super earth colony inshalla...
no no outshallah that
right now
pale prairie
my only wish is that the imperium exterminatus every super earth colony inshalla...
Headed your way
hearty wolf
Still if you run 4 loner zealots, nothing will spawn because you'll all be in coherency at the end of the mission because W
vestal trench
theyre a bunch of fucking TAU who cant MELEE
(i got kicked from a game after giving this game my last chance)
im over it
i'd rather h40
hearty wolf
(i got kicked from a game after giving this game my last chance)
What
radiant frigate
theyre a bunch of fucking TAU who cant MELEE
saber/amendment propaganda upon ye
pale prairie
theyre a bunch of fucking TAU who cant MELEE
Ooooof sorry to hear that. Most people I play with are chill. The Team Kills are usually accidents
radiant frigate
One True Flag upon ye
vestal trench
like i was already pissed at the entire terminid playstyle
pale prairie
saber/amendment propaganda upon ye
radiant frigate
https://tenor.com/view/this-is-worthless-gravity-falls-dipper-pines-worthless-gi...
the amendment is epic actually
ripe obsidian
awesome so, coherency_min_stack does nothing?
It's just formatting for the talent description.
radiant frigate
and saber is unironically good on illuminate
tulip kettle
It's just formatting for the talent description.
what
pale prairie
the amendment is epic actually
At level 10 it is the equivalent of voidstrike in havoc
hearty wolf
We can have some tea and biscuits and talk about it
radiant frigate
At level 10 it is the equivalent of voidstrike in havoc
it's like a juiced up diligence with a bayonet
tulip kettle
okay again im not doubting it doesnt impact gameplay if it doesnt do anything
but its also not formatting for the talent description
pale prairie
like i was already pissed at the entire terminid playstyle
Yeaaaaa if you want a melee game it doesn’t have the same depth as say VT2 or Darktide
radiant frigate
but yeah i guess if you don't like diligence i get that
ripe obsidian
but its also not formatting for the talent description
I am going by what Kuli said
tulip kettle
yeah okay that makes me have to be sus
radiant frigate
true
pale prairie
but yeah i guess if you don't like diligence i get that
Nah the bayonets are fun but I the sheer number of spawns makes me feel like I have a wet pool noodle
radiant frigate
silly bugger grindset
ripe obsidian
yeah okay that makes me have to be sus
I am asking for clarification
ornate hamlet
Sigmar male mentality
radiant frigate
Nah the bayonets are fun but I the sheer number of spawns makes me feel like I h...
i like amendment on bugs
i also like diligence
ornate hamlet
I also realized I do not actually have silly bugger in my pronoun list
pale prairie
ornate hamlet
Dark days
radiant frigate
I also realized I do not actually have silly bugger in my pronoun list
oh gods no
pale prairie
Bugger that….
hearty wolf
silly bugger grindset
No YOU'RE a silly bugger you
ornate hamlet
Language
pale prairie
Tacaxe vs FGS?
radiant frigate
No YOU'RE a silly bugger you
tulip kettle
(factual)
pale prairie
radiant frigate
yes very true
hasty jungle
Somebody please help me remember, brain burst spam build was WITH Venting Shriek, right?
radiant frigate
fact checked by real #sibling-class regulars
radiant frigate
Somebody please help me remember, brain burst spam build was WITH Venting Shriek...
max speed was with double shield
pale prairie
“#1 recommended brand of toothpaste by dentists”
radiant frigate
Yes
ornate hamlet
Samesies
hearty wolf
Brain burst has a funny interaction with dhielf5
Same
ornate hamlet
Aye
radiant frigate
yes
vestal trench
Yeaaaaa if you want a melee game it doesn’t have the same depth as say VT2 or Da...
it's fine with bugs
ornate hamlet
What the *lf said
vestal trench
it's just terminid makes me feel like im playing psyker squishiness without the power
die to one mistake bc swarm
pale prairie
What the *lf said
What’s the interaction?
vestal trench
it's way more frustrating t b h
hearty wolf
it's just terminid makes me feel like im playing psyker squishiness without the ...
You need to use more fire
Orbital napalm+ napalm airstrike
tulip kettle
pale prairie
it's just terminid makes me feel like im playing psyker squishiness without the ...
Yeaaaaa the game design uses different philosophies behind “second chances”
tulip kettle
BB spam buil
radiant frigate
What’s the interaction?
doublecast shield to doublestack kinetic resonance
tulip kettle
last 6 points to taste
pale prairie
Orbital napalm+ napalm airstrike
On self
radiant frigate
extremely fast bb casts
ornate hamlet
Nyoom
pale prairie
doublecast shield to doublestack kinetic resonance
Ooooh
tulip kettle
you can also cast 1 shield, burst a few gunners, cast another shield
radiant frigate
it's way more frustrating t b h
what's the build
tulip kettle
rinse repeat ad finitum generating 0 peril
pale prairie
it's way more frustrating t b h
I remember when bot spawns were bugged on max difficulty. You’d get a drop ship every 10 sec during flag raising….
pale prairie
Depends on the player
radiant frigate
you just get overrun and die
hearty wolf
I disagree
pale prairie
you just get overrun and die
See I can tell your a Darktide player. Let me introduce a foreign concept….retreat
hearty wolf
Helldivers you're never helpless. You just stim past everything and nuke everything with stratagems.
You can also ignore everything really easily
vestal trench
arc thrower, jump pack, 500kg, and 110
pale prairie
Unlike Darktide, if the objective is complete you don’t need to kill all the things
hearty wolf
arc thrower, jump pack, 500kg, and 110
Eee
vestal trench
Helldivers you're never helpless. You just stim past everything and nuke everyth...
yea thats
kinda what i dont like
hearty wolf
Yeah no wonder you're struggling on bugs
vestal trench
i look up the tactics for bugs
and it more or less boils down to "kite them and run lol"
if i wanted to do that i'd play dead by daylight
radiant frigate
See I can tell your a Darktide player. Let me introduce a foreign concept….retre...
i fully understand the concept, but have you ever tried a bug eradicate solo
hearty wolf
Ye or obliterate them. Don't let them move or they'll begin flanking
hearty wolf
And since you have no fire in that build, it's going to be hard
Like the reason bugs is so easy
Is you spawn a bug breach in the opposite direction you want to go to
vestal trench
i dont have access to any fire outside of napalms tbh
vestal trench
how do u spawn breaches
radiant frigate
arc thrower and jump pack is like, negative firepower
vestal trench
the fuck kinda metagame
hearty wolf
And you go do whatever you were doing and enjoy the fact that a bug breach can't spawn for x minutes
hearty wolf
the fuck kinda metagame
Just find a bug that can spawn it. Hunters, small one and commanders
pale prairie
Target the spawns with orbitals like Gatling barrage. Have a turret as well. 500 kg for just in case and quasar for heavies
Lots of running in circles
hard widget
Is bfs with uncanny strike slaughterer and unyielding Cara good
radiant frigate
my go-to is just dropping orbital gas on every bug breach, then 500kg if it's insufficient or if something big comes up while my quasar is on cd
hearty wolf
That works too. I just find gas isn't strong enough for mid units
dull scroll
Is bfs with uncanny strike slaughterer and unyielding Cara good
bfs..boyfriends? 🤔
hearty wolf
It's CD is insane tho
vestal trench
Yucky game!
bunch of TAU without the GUNDAM
hard widget
Blaze force sword
hearty wolf
70s is hard to use all the time
hearty wolf
Yeye
radiant frigate
and super short input too
earnest cobalt
Holy shit hank is here
vestal trench
renaming my steam account to super earth drukhari raid tbh
dull scroll
Blaze force sword
yes it's very good, though slaughter can be replaced with deflector if you are not using melee as main
radiant frigate
like both gas strike and 500kg have really easy inputs in a pinch
earnest cobalt
pale prairie
That works too. I just find gas isn't strong enough for mid units
It’s not about killing it’s about CC gas strike will full on distract Fleshmobs for a long time. Just shoot while they are confused. Same with bugs they even attack each other
hard widget
Also inferno staff with flak, crit chance and blaze way and warp nexus is correct?
hearty wolf
It’s not about killing it’s about CC gas strike will full on distract Fleshmobs ...
O
Was that a new change
dull scroll
Also inferno staff with flak, crit chance and blaze way and warp nexus is correc...
switch crit chance with unyield
hearty wolf
Or we're talking about different gas
hard widget
switch crit chance with unyield
Okies
vestal trench
but yea my loadouts that dont have arc thrower work better
pale prairie
Was that a new change
Nah it’s been there since the gas rework so a few months
vestal trench
including just going "fuck it" and bringing 2 sentries
pale prairie
That’s why gas drone is fucking great against bugs
radiant frigate
highly recommend quasar cannon
hearty wolf
but yea my loadouts that dont have arc thrower work better
Fun weapon but you're not bringing a nuke which is the problem
radiant frigate
shoot bile titan or charger in the head, gone
hearty wolf
Nah it’s been there since the gas rework so a few months
That's new for me
pale prairie
Fun weapon but you're not bringing a nuke which is the problem
You joke but there’s a pocket nuke side arm
hearty wolf
Anyway flesh mobs are super easy to kill
pale prairie
Anyway flesh mobs are super easy to kill
Yeah just like 3000 damage I think
hearty wolf
You joke but there’s a pocket nuke side arm
Yeye the e...ultimatum.
dull scroll
is this helldivers? far as I'm concerned you are only pro at that game if you can do strats blind 😌
ripe obsidian
and
Among other things, support that format_values is just used to format assorted things.
hearty wolf
Thermite grenade pffpfdpdpfpd BOOM
pale prairie
fleshmob is just Ammo Tax
Three-four shots of Eruptor. Done
radiant frigate
thermite my beloved
pale prairie
Sometimes 2
radiant frigate
eruptor my beloved
pale prairie
It’s not bad. The drop on it always surprises me
radiant frigate
crossbow is ok but eruptor just has that satisfying CRUNCH
pale prairie
The fire rate is bonkers good though
pale prairie
crossbow is ok but eruptor just has that satisfying CRUNCH
And the gigantic shells
hearty wolf
I remember launch eruptor
Not my teammate destroying me across the map with shrapnel
radiant frigate
crossbow is epic vs overseers
pale prairie
I remember launch eruptor
Fucking kill a charger with shrapnel to the belly
Mmmmmmm
radiant frigate
anyway i sleep good night siblings
pale prairie
crossbow is epic vs overseers
Yeah but Eruptor staggers and can kill the harvester in 3-4 shots depending on placement
radiant frigate
Yeah but Eruptor staggers and can kill the harvester in 3-4 shots depending on p...
i usually use something else on harvesters
pale prairie
anyway i sleep good night siblings
Night I’ll try out MK 6
radiant frigate
Night I’ll try out MK 6
excellent choice
pale prairie
No promises
radiant frigate
yes promises
vestal trench
is the DE sickle decent on all factions?
thats like the only other weapon i was interested in
the stalwart sentry run i did was better but only marginally
hearty wolf
I'd just run the talon instead of sickle tbh
strong gulch
DE sickle
the one that gets more AP as it heats up
and sets you on fire
There is apparently a really good build for it, but IDK what it is. I'm no that plugged into the game.
vestal trench
i'll try and calm down a bit but im def leaning towards not playing hd in pubs
dem bugs frustrating as-is
strong gulch
Commisar Kai's discord is very active and focuses on HD2 if you wanted to try that.
gray juniper
I remember when helldivers first got the bike titans and there was a slew of videos with people like “OMG it’s a bike titan oh nooo” but apparently other people handled them easily
vestal trench
I remember when helldivers first got the bike titans and there was a slew of vid...
?
pale prairie
is the DE sickle decent on all factions?
It’s good but try it with fire resistance armor and the health booster. Gives you “more clip”
vestal trench
Commisar Kai's discord is very active and focuses on HD2 if you wanted to try th...
yeah maybe when i settle down
genuinely haven't been this frustrated w/ a run since playing elden ring and having to play debate club every time i insinuate that it isnt perfect bc i had (emphasis: had) a friend who was a souls simp
strong gulch
I joined a little bit ago, but I haven't really participated in anything. 
vestal trench
it's why i'm always <.< with games with...fervent fanbases
souls, DRG, ffxiv, hd2
i enjoyed my time in ffxiv well enough but i gotta say gw2's gameplay was more engaging
strong gulch
finally fantasy and idk what
vestal trench
final fantasy 14 lol
i mean it's good it's just not the best thing since sliced bread
the only one that kinda met expectations for me was DRG
strong gulch
idk what gw is
vestal trench
but even then i dont play it as often bc i get bored of being underground
oh! guild wars 2
strong gulch
DRG?
vestal trench
deep rock galactic
strong gulch
gotcha
vestal trench
another co-op horde game
strong gulch
I do love souls games. I used to be pretty toxic. Not in a your build sucks kind of way, but in a I will play through the game as a really low level and get x strong weapon so I can go back and invade fresh players or new game plus players and get accused of cheating kind of way.
I luckily grew tf up.
vestal trench
they still havent made invasions more of an opt-in thing 😴
thankfully seamless co-op exists
vestal trench
my #1 gripe with it all is it being sold as "best combat game" like no
not by a long shot
vestal trench
like come on
people were saying that elden ring already put too much restrictions with invading being tied to co-op and like....no? me wanting to play with my friends is not synonymous with wanting to pvp
what souls brainrot does to a mf
strong gulch
Same mf who would shit on people for play easy or cozy games.
vestal trench
yup
i rarely play cozy games myself either (funnily enough, mostly bc i find most "survival" cozy games actually more stressful)
hearty wolf
i mean it's good it's just not the best thing since sliced bread
I'd still say it's the best MMO hands down
strong gulch
Not everyone wants a stressful or high skill game.
Not everyone CAN play those games. Ablism much??
Not everyone gets their entire self worth out of beating a hard game. A game that is pecifically made to be winable and that rewards you for that effort. so lol
hearty wolf
I also don't mean to demean but I don't think beating a hard game is that much of an accomplishment
ornate hamlet
I remember being annoyed at wanting to play as a human in 3 because there was this one unofficial PvP area that I had to walk through looking like a burn sausage
hearty wolf
Beating something that's designed to be beaten is kind of intended in some sense
vestal trench
I'd still say it's the best MMO hands down
yeah i feel like gw2 and ffxiv are as good as each other, matter of pref which you go with
ornate hamlet
Otherwise I'd keep getting people with 4000 PvP hours coming there to delete me
strong gulch
i rarely play cozy games myself either (funnily enough, mostly bc i find most "s...
I'm gonna defent you here. This is probably just me, but when something is setup and warm and inviting and then it suddenly frustrating just sends me right to angy town. lmao
Was this a bait and switch??
hearty wolf
yeah i feel like gw2 and ffxiv are as good as each other, matter of pref which y...
Maybe I give GW2 another try. When I last played it, my head kinda spun
vestal trench
gw2 feels harder in the story content though
unborn tendon
Is this cane okay?
vestal trench
like i deadass had to do the 2nd expac before the 1st
1st was kicking my ass
i'll renew my FF sub one of these days to at least finish shadowbringers
ripe obsidian
Is this cane okay?
What level are you, and what is your mastery on the staff?
vestal trench
story's really good but everyone i played with is gone 
ripe obsidian
That will influence the answer.
hearty wolf
gw2 feels harder in the story content though
Oh yeah there's no difficulty in FF at all. Even at end game unless you're going blind and
Uh ..
unborn tendon
What level are you, and what is your mastery on the staff?
lv 18
hearty wolf
Min ilvl
vestal trench
Oh yeah there's no difficulty in FF at all. Even at end game unless you're going...
i dreaded endgame bc i saw monk's old optimal drift rotation
and i liked playing monk
jksldfjaskljfk
ripe obsidian
lv 18
Then yes, the staff is fine. It is not minmaxed, but it's not a problem for level 18.
hearty wolf
i dreaded endgame bc i saw monk's old optimal drift rotation
Monk changes every patch and it's more a vibe based playstyle
ripe obsidian
Ideally, the staff would be 80s in all stats except Warp Resist, which would be 60 (or lower)
unborn tendon
Then yes, the staff is fine. It is not minmaxed, but it's not a problem for leve...
but should I look for a better one for the maximum level?
vestal trench
meanwhile dragoon getting to press everything on cd and it just falls into place:
last i heard viper was good if a bit boring, picto shook up the game the way arbites does here
ripe obsidian
but should I look for a better one for the maximum level?
For higher level play, a better stat spread would be better, yes.
vestal trench
it was outdpsing black mage while providing support, allegedly
hearty wolf
Dragoon used to be actually kind of aids unless you use something for ping
Because
Some jumps took up 2 ogcd slots
So you'd have to alternate what to drift
vestal trench
i played after they fixed that
hearty wolf
Which would change when you enter into life of a dragon
hearty wolf
Anyway that's always way past when the game was made dogshit
BACK IN MY DAY we used to have 90s buffs and bursts
vestal trench
i surprisingly enjoyed all the ranged dps
strong gulch
I also don't mean to demean but I don't think beating a hard game is that much o...
In the grand scheme of things?? As the one thing that somehow give a person value?? Agree on not really an accomplishment.
It can be for like personal growth or you were finally able to do x after a lot of trying. Or when your world is quite small or you don't have much opportunity to do anything, then I will slot it in as a significant accomplishment. BUT that still doesn't mean wield it like toxic pile of poo.
hearty wolf
So the real burst was at 6 minutes
unborn tendon
and this?
vestal trench
It can be for like personal growth or you were finally able to do x after a lot ...
theres an old review I saw of Sekiro helping someone manage their BPD
i appreciate hard games for that
ripe obsidian
If you can max out everything except Warp Resist, leave Warp Resist below 60.
unborn tendon
🫡
vestal trench
but it still nevertheless doesnt make them above criticism (i.e. me liking sekiro over souls and all that)
hearty wolf
theres an old review I saw of Sekiro helping someone manage their BPD
Trying to not crash out stream
unborn tendon
How do I upload everything except warp?
vestal trench
some difficulty scratches my brain better than others ig
vestal trench
Trying to not crash out stream
me always
hearty wolf
I still don't think souls likes are good even though I like Elden ring atm XD. I just think the model is outdated
ripe obsidian
How do I upload everything except warp?
Luck, mostly. As you level, it should spread the points across the stats. The fewer the non-maxed stats, the more points per attribute. So if you level it to, like, 450, and WR is still 40 while everything else is 80, you had good luck.
strong gulch
How do I upload everything except warp?
Everything get increased while empowering, but they are starting at different places.
hearty wolf
I'd prefer a more DMC or Stellar Blade kind of combat
Or Clair Obscur's turn based combat because the parries in that game feel better than ARPGs lul
unborn tendon
vestal trench
i really should try DMC finally
hearty wolf
Need for Speed has given me my ARPG adrenaline because of doing drifts at 250mph
hearty wolf
i really should try DMC finally
Ooo. Are you new to that series in its entirety?
vestal trench
theyve just been sitting there
vestal trench
Ooo. Are you new to that series in its entirety?
yes
hearty wolf
Ah that's interesting. I'm not sure where I'd recommend you.
4 probably has simultaneously the worst and best combat
vestal trench
i mentioned enjoying nioh/sifu/sekiro more than elden ring and my friends say i'd like dmc since dmc is closer to those games but not necessarily as ballbusting
vestal trench
all ik is im down horrendous for nico
pale prairie
Luck, mostly. As you level, it should spread the points across the stats. The fe...
See I have that and thought that was good. And then some crazy lucky people posted sub 40
hearty wolf
i mentioned enjoying nioh/sifu/sekiro more than elden ring and my friends say i'...
DMC on Dante Must Die can really kick your shit in
Enemies do a pretty significant amount of damage and after a certain amount of time, they enter devil trigger
vestal trench
oooh
hearty wolf
So deal even more damage and take even less
So you've really got to work on your efficiency
I think DMC is best played stylishly too, it's very satisfying when you figure out how things click
Some people like to button spam but it's not a button spam game
vestal trench
the style is what i liked about sifu lol
sure you can beat everything with the basic moveset, but when you get good enough to start styling with the unlockables it's money
ripe obsidian
See I have that and thought that was good. And then some crazy lucky people post...
Best I have atm
Potato, I think, has a sub-10 one
hearty wolf
That's DMC pretty much aside from the crap that's DMC 2
DMC 2 you can enjoy if you pretend the handguns don't exist
pale prairie
Best I have atm
hearty wolf
Otherwise prepare for carpal tunnel
hearty wolf
Even DMC1 on DMD has carpal tunnel if you're doing it on a new game save
ripe obsidian
I stole your luck.
vestal trench
tbh it's funny, objectively i feel like nioh might actually be harder than ER when i played, to teh point i havent finished it
round coyote
What's y'alls favorite havoc builds for psyker?
vestal trench
but it frustrates me infinitely less bc i feel like im not fighting the controls
strong gulch
Potato, I think, has a sub-10 one
IDK what my lowest is. I don't think I hit ten. I know Beef has a purg with 10 WR and everything else at 80 or like 76 burn.
hearty wolf
I can't really give a rating on Elden Ring difficulty because I'm playing it coop.
Tbh I do think it's harder but some bosses are made easier
Like uh
Bell Bearing Hunter
strong gulch
I stole your luck.
wtf
hearty wolf
People said jn Elden Ring he's easy
ripe obsidian
People said jn Elden Ring he's easy
Bell Bearing Hunter is not easy.
vestal trench
it kinda depends on which bell bearing hunter
ripe obsidian
He does more damage than the final boss. The Caelid one.
vestal trench
the altus and dragonbarrow ones are pain
hearty wolf
We got our shit kicked in because of how much damage he was dealing but in end it was easy because one of us stabbed him in the back
hearty wolf
Uhh the one I'm talking about was
I think we were in a place called the Ruined Castle which was an area that's like a poison swamp. Just before the boss there were lots of statues
ripe obsidian
I think we were in a place called the Ruined Castle which was an area that's lik...
Shaded Castle
ripe obsidian
That's just Emeric or whatever his name is
vestal trench
oh thats his actual version yea
ripe obsidian
He's easier
round coyote
inferno shriek
#psyker-class message This one?
vestal trench
the rest are kinda like..sprits?
or some shit
wait sin youve played nightreign right
how does it compare
hearty wolf
Yuh but because of the mod, he does 50% more damage which brings him to 1 shot territory for most of his attacks 😭
vestal trench
pain
hearty wolf
Nightrein is a joke it's so easy
dull scroll
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1046914150363844779/135350024211...
the tree on the left, close enough
hearty wolf
But
Idk I prefer the game play of nightrein
The only issue I have with it now is that it's not rng enough
And like I know how to beat all the bosses now so all the runs kind of feel the sameish
2 player mode is completely busted too. Far too easy
strong gulch
Easy FOR SIN
hearty wolf
I'd say it's worth playing on sale
hearty wolf
Easy FOR SIN
Nuuuu
strong gulch
YES
vestal trench
like i'll probs get lies of p and armored core before i do nightreign