psyker-class

[severe folio]

i think i found wildfire most valuable when you are purging a really big horde that doesnt directly flow towards you

[candid temple]

no nerfs, only buffs

[pale prairie]

Shut up!

[tulip kettle]

or when stuff runs away

[hearty wolf]

That is the reason to use it yes. And also because it acts as an accelerator

[tulip kettle]

you flame staff a group of gunners but they run away

[severe folio]

well stuffs running away i havent really felt it

[tulip kettle]

KF PC and wildfire will clean them up

[severe folio]

and even less regarding the acceleration

[radiant frigate]

ok enemy buffs when

[severe folio]

anything that goes towards me are dead before warpfire finish them off

[radiant frigate]

carapace impervious to 90% of weapons when

[visual phoenix]

The issue for me is existence of venting shriek
Game screams to me Use this shit on cd and dont think

Wildfire is "press vent not as often"

[pale prairie]

The gigantic hitbox is nerf enough.

[severe folio]

but the enemies that target my teammate instead, or running sideway

[visual phoenix]

Fuck that

[thorn cedar]

I absolutely do not see the point in running Wildfire to 'accelerate' adding four stacks when your Purgatus does that in literally milliseconds

[tulip kettle]

youd be surprised how many times KF will just proc randomly with wildfire

but it cant do that without it

yeah its not as amazing for that

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/unhinged-better-call-saul-crazy-out-of-your-mind-bob-odenkirk-gif-6800731820520422829

[severe folio]

my whole talent tree is kind of stuffed so i cant really add in KF

[candid temple]

what's purgatus?

[tulip kettle]

well without KF then yes its value is much lower

purh is inferno staff

[radiant frigate]

you know, like back on release

[severe folio]

the old name for the flame staff

[tulip kettle]

but like

[rancid jasper]

inferno staff

[candid temple]

Yes, that's the joke

[thorn cedar]

I do see the point in Wildfire when you are using the trauma staff and you are only applying soulblaze stacks inconsistently.

[visual phoenix]

Dropping wildfire would help

[severe folio]

haha

[tulip kettle]

running soulblaze without kinetic flayer is kinda a pepeg

[candid temple]

I loathe for name changing the staves.

[severe folio]

but yeah

[pale prairie]

Reason not to use it because it just kills all the wildfire stuff?

[severe folio]

killing tiny groups of enemy here and there

[tulip kettle]

i used to be a KF doubter

[severe folio]

wildfire aint gonna show its value

[tulip kettle]

but the stats dont lie

[radiant frigate]

worried about getting less value from wildfire? simply run boneless shriek

[severe folio]

its value its when you purg them and other enemies die

[visual phoenix]

Wildfire has cap of 4
Shriek has cap up to 6

Wildfire could not spread more than 4 stacks from Or on the enemy

[radiant frigate]

only stagger no damage

[tulip kettle]

yes but neither of those is enough to kill chaffs

[severe folio]

yeah but heres the thing about the wildfire

forget the 4 stacks cap of it

[tulip kettle]

so wildfire lets you get 10 more easily

[severe folio]

its 4 stacks per enemy

[tulip kettle]

and yes he knows the interaction

[visual phoenix]

As soon as you apply with Big Ass cone 6 stack shriek - wildfire becomes nothing. Like a complete nothing.

Ita like picking kin deflection and never using block

[hearty wolf]

Sure when they're in range but it's faster to go from 4 to 15 than 0-15. That's at least one real damage tick per enemy which is increasing your output a ton.

Particularly useful when your teammates are missing horde breakpoints or you're against purple. The faster the purple things die, the better so you don't have to be stuck in an attrition war

[severe folio]

during a horde, you are killing a lot more than 1 enemy when you use your purg staff

[tulip kettle]

but when theres a horde of 50 groaners and the front 20 die, the next 20 are also getting 4 stacks

[severe folio]

they are not gettign 4 stacks

those 20 enemies are actually getting 16-15 stacks

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/you-need-to-stop-this-shit-today-jayla-wright-first-wives-club-you-gotta-stop-this-crap-cut-the-crap-gif-22338133

[severe folio]

remember each enemy gives at most 4

[tulip kettle]

yes i fully understand the interaction

[severe folio]

wildfire from each enemy can stack onto each other onto the next one

[tulip kettle]

but what is happening is the next 20 enemies that werent in range end up with 3-4 stacks

but again

thats not the main value

[severe folio]

no those next 20 enemies end up with 15-16 stacks

[tulip kettle]

the main value is allowing KF to proc on specials that were NEVER on your screen

that cannot happen without wildfire

[severe folio]

well my teammate has been competent so far so i dont think even if I use KF i will get to see a random pop sound

[radiant frigate]

also add dreg maulers

[tulip kettle]

lol my dude

[pale prairie]

Clearly use the Warp Rupture. Much superior to the creeping flames

[tulip kettle]

i play with very competent team mates

[rancid jasper]

if an elite dies to 4 stack soulblaze and you have pc and wf how many stacks do nearly enemies get

[severe folio]

i have only notice that i suddenly gets a massive surge in gunners death on my end

[tulip kettle]

and that KF will do 300k dmg in a 1.5 mil dmg game

[severe folio]

the ones that i couldnt see

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/my-blood-pressure-is-spiking-high-blood-pressure-uh-oh-oh-no-bob-pogo-gif-16492615

[tulip kettle]

thats insane value from 1 talent point

literally insane

[visual phoenix]

Its useful for like Ultra glass cannon setup, if you want to take all dmg nodes, even a slightest.

Yet there is souldrinker for that, with same reason. The difference that wildfire is 1 point and drinker is whoping 3

[radiant frigate]

and dreg crusher

[severe folio]

but yeah

[tulip kettle]

but you wont get nearly close to the same value from it without also having wildfire. if you arent running both wildfire and KF (and PC) then the value diminishes significantly

[pale prairie]

Alright you fucking maniac just take away all weapons and make us use bare knuckle boxing against all carapace enemies just Crushers and maulers all around

Nah fuck it ALL POGRYNS

[rancid jasper]

4 because of wf cap or 7 if it does wf first and then adds the pc stacks?

[tulip kettle]

ogryn slap bleed abuse says hello

if it was 1 enemy, 7

[radiant frigate]

if we assume headsplosion does like 2k then 300k implies 150 triggers, so we're looking at around 38 mins of nonstop fighting

[hearty wolf]

That honestly wouldn't be too hard

[tulip kettle]

yes, thats a normal havoc 40

[pale prairie]

The hard part is not getting launched off the map

[visual phoenix]

Whats the point
I like flayer (since recently), but how wf helps

[tulip kettle]

i explained how

[severe folio]

that would be very useful, however i dont have any point remain to spare for KF

[tulip kettle]

KF can trigger on that bomber with 2 stacks of soulblaze

[severe folio]

and at the moment I still see value on just wildfire alone

[tulip kettle]

that got them from the trash that died near it

you never even saw bomber

now its dead

[hearty wolf]

I can already kill the specials I can see, it's helpful for someone to kill the specials I can't see

In fact

It's like

[radiant frigate]

new encounter type: moebian greatsword psyker patrol

[hearty wolf]

I will kill the specials so fast, KF literally does not have time to proc on them half the time. Which puts a lot of the KF procs on things I cannot see

[vestal trench]

back to darktide after that terminid major order turned me off on helldivers

[hearty wolf]

which is helpful

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/shrek-donkey-oh-now-were-getting-somewhere-now-were-getting-somewhere-gif-22173429

[radiant frigate]

they're just bugs, what's the problem

[severe folio]

i dont think helldivers gets to engage in glorious melee combat with horde, thats probably the problem

[pale prairie]

Haven’t logged in for a bit. What was it?

[vestal trench]

spore strain bugs

[radiant frigate]

not with that attitude

[vestal trench]

im realizing i just hate the bugs straight up

[severe folio]

attitude is only 90% of it, the remaining 10% is unfortunately very vital

[radiant frigate]

shield pack peak physique cqc-2 saber and off you go

[pale prairie]

There’s like 4 melee weapons and a shield. You can absolutely engage in melee combat. It’s just harder cause you don’t have toughness or a dodge or any fucking talents

[radiant frigate]

for democracy

[vestal trench]

their swarms make me just want to play darktide since so much of the bugs strategy is based in kiting

[severe folio]

well, thats the remaining important factor, isn't it

[vestal trench]

theres a reason i dont play adcs in mobas

[pale prairie]

Nonononono it’s based on blowing them the fuck up

[severe folio]

its the lasgun situation

[radiant frigate]

the shield pack is basically toughness

[vestal trench]

i liked fighting bots more but one bad mission on bugs pmo so bad i dont wanna hop on again

[severe folio]

the weapon that can kill 99% of the enemy of the imperium

[vestal trench]

lies

[radiant frigate]

and gas, do not forget the gas

[pale prairie]

Yeah but hitting bugs doesn’t restore shield

[visual phoenix]

Thats a very specific

[severe folio]

but unfortunately, we are stuck with fighting the 1% remain

[hearty wolf]

I haven't played Helldivers since May

[pale prairie]

We call that a “Target Rich” environment

[hearty wolf]

and that was for like 2 days then I stopped lul

[pale prairie]

It’s not for everyone

[tulip kettle]

its just an example and it happens literally consantly

[radiant frigate]

i like to run very specifically guard dog quasar gas strike 500kg

[tulip kettle]

snipers, dogs, whatever

[radiant frigate]

the wonder build on bugs

[vestal trench]

part of it too is being expected to 180 your playstyle between bots and bugs

[tulip kettle]

dont forget when you run through a section the enemies will clump behind spawn doors and stuff

[deft stump]

Wot. Pos 1?

[vestal trench]

some bullshit fr

[severe folio]

what can i do to get KF into this

[tulip kettle]

so sometimes youll kill a dog thats literally 100m away from you and have no idea it even exists

[vestal trench]

yea i never pos 1'd xP

maybe a little in smite and deadlock

[tulip kettle]

drop warp battery for kf

see numbers go up

[pale prairie]

Laser dog or gun dog?

[vestal trench]

but i'm generally p bad at playing safely while also aggressively farming enough to scale

plus yknow

kiting

[deft stump]

I only did it once because all random gave me Drow Ranger.

[visual phoenix]

Why not deflection

[deft stump]

I offered to do Pos 4 Drow.

[tulip kettle]

because KD is actually good and warp battery is not

[vestal trench]

medusa was the only one i really tried and it was against ai

[visual phoenix]

Sorry you not the first one i see this take
A wildfire over warp battery
Thats wild

[pale prairie]

Pfff wonder build is Eruptor and stalwart with resupply back! But yeah that one is good too

[tulip kettle]

sub 6k behaviour score spotted

[deft stump]

I play pos 3/4.

[tulip kettle]

yes and again you are just mathmatically wrong

but it doesnt matter its not gonna make a difference to if you do well or not

[severe folio]

6 WS is not good ?

[visual phoenix]

5.5s of cdr abd 8% global warp gamage
Over 4 stacks spread

[tulip kettle]

your total uptime on between 4-6 stacks is less than 5% of your time in game due to the interaction with venting

[hearty wolf]

I think it was glossed over that shriek is being used rather than bubble too which does make a big difference

[deft stump]

I only do unranked. The few ranked, I got dragged by friends into their 4-5k games.

[pale prairie]

Holy fuck a fellow smite player in the wild?

[tulip kettle]

i dont mean player rank i mean behaviour rank haha

[severe folio]

well i do love that 21 stacks of Warpfire

[visual phoenix]

Not with in fire reborn

[deft stump]

Bots or custom nowadays since lost interest in PvP.

[tulip kettle]

yes with in fire reborn

it doesnt matter

[deft stump]

Oh, that's maxed.

[tulip kettle]

playing pos 4 drow?!?!?!

i pick tinker and get instamuted

[visual phoenix]

5.5s of cdr always matter

[tulip kettle]

that argument

[deft stump]

I offered to, since I legit don't pos 1.

[tulip kettle]

if it made sense

[visual phoenix]

Thats the reason you pock 4% on all curios

[tulip kettle]

would invalidate the value even more

because you are just purging the stacks straight away

[severe folio]

so shimmer the ability cooldown from 45% to 30%

to get KF

[tulip kettle]

yes, because you also have PA

so its off CD all the time anyway

you will hit 4 stacks then be shrieking

[visual phoenix]

[deft stump]

I think it was the last pub game I ever played since I never touched non-customs or non-co-op events ever after.

[tulip kettle]

it doesnt, though

the average cd of venting is barely enough time to regain the stacks as it is

[severe folio]

i hope that this will actually help killing more enemy

[tulip kettle]

you will be surprised

[severe folio]

instead of just buffering the damage calculation up

because I know the KF is only on 1 enemy

[deft stump]

PvP stress isn't worth it.

[visual phoenix]

Then drop kinetik deflection

We swaping a garantied warp dmg boost to a questionable warp spread

That being overshadowed by venting shriek

[tulip kettle]

right but its only on enemies you actually want dead

[severe folio]

and the abilityof it popping on the one that need to die the most is

im not sure i am in control of that

[tulip kettle]

youre not

[severe folio]

it could be any elite or unyielding you know

[tulip kettle]

and you dont care about that

[severe folio]

yeah

[tulip kettle]

man if it pops on a bulwark, GOOD

[severe folio]

so the chance of it doing like you said

where it pop the head of that bomber i dont see

[tulip kettle]

you just chunked half the bulwark hp for free

and again idk what to tell you

just play and you will see

the stats dont lie

[severe folio]

hmm

i guess thats true

[tulip kettle]

if you think of KF as "100 dps" permanently

[severe folio]

i was iffy about wildfire and the 4 stacks it operate upon

[tulip kettle]

and realise 15 stacks of soulblaze does 100 dps

then its just immediately obvious how good it is

but without wildfire you wont always have a valid target for KF to proc on

with wildfire you will have a valid target more frequently

[severe folio]

itd be nice if PA also reduce the cooldown of every other cooldown based mechanic in the game

[tulip kettle]

dont disagree

but on psyker we dont have any others except assail and you cant get assail and PA

[severe folio]

15 sec cooldown for KF is kinda mean

[tulip kettle]

yes its not great and its the main reason i used to hate on it

[visual phoenix]

But what if....
It procs

[tulip kettle]

but if it was more often it would be literally the strongest talent in the game

[visual phoenix]

But what if it spreads... Then procs

[severe folio]

assail count as warp attack right ?

[tulip kettle]

yes

[severe folio]

funny how they got that little talent right below assail

the one for non warp attack

what exactly where the thought process for that

[tulip kettle]

its like

they want you to weave the assails

imagine

[severe folio]

weave the assail with guns ?

[tulip kettle]

imagine you throw a couple of assails

then hit a few things with your sword or gun

then throw a few assails

[severe folio]

i see

[tulip kettle]

...

[severe folio]

well if

if we can actually do that

[tulip kettle]

you can do that

[severe folio]

i mean like

[tulip kettle]

thats the whole thing with assail

[severe folio]

right hand gun/sword

left hand assail

and just

mash both button

left and right click

[tulip kettle]

you dont need to

you swap weapons essentially instntly

[severe folio]

you cant deny its cool to use your dueling blade while your left hand shoot your revolver

[tulip kettle]

i mean im all for it if it stops you being able to aim or block

[severe folio]

the blocking is shooting your revolver

btw does that mean malefic momentum affect all the force sword the way im thinking it is

buffing the warp attack when using the swords normally

and then buffing the normal attack after using a special attack

[thorn cedar]

yes

[tulip kettle]

force swords arent a warp attack except the special

oh i see, yes

[severe folio]

thats pretty cool

but somehow its not mandatory when maining a force sword

[tulip kettle]

well no

but in the same way as anticipation and warp splitting arent mandatory

[rancid jasper]

kinda cool with gs, seeing as it already rewards getting normal kills before using the special and vice versa

[tulip kettle]

they are just very good

[severe folio]

hold on

i thought anticipation is still bugged

[tulip kettle]

what do you mean?

[severe folio]

i heard the 50% dodge doesnt work

[pale prairie]

I think it works now. Just unsure about it working against range

[severe folio]

i see

[tulip kettle]

it makes the i frames duration increase

not the actual length or duration of the dodge

[pale prairie]

If I had the spare talent point I would grab it

[tulip kettle]

its not well worded

but even just 1 more dodge is very good for fgs

[pale prairie]

So more of the dodge has I frames?

[tulip kettle]

precisely

[pale prairie]

Niiice

[lyric burrow]

Yeah thats a nice talent esp for fgs

At least in havoc otherwise you might get frame trapped by the 14th mauler overhead in 2 seconds due to the attack speed increase

[hearty wolf]

Just block it 😈

[pale prairie]

Too bad it’s hard to get to from my warp siphon build

[lyric burrow]

True this is the best way to no longer deal with overheads

[pale prairie]

Okay, Sah! Ogryn shields

[hearty wolf]

I already want to come home

I want to play more Darktide

I need unemployment buff

[severe folio]

work from home

[hearty wolf]

I do

But I actually do my job 😭

We moved from 1 day a week into the office to 2

And ngl it's debilitating

[severe folio]

i see

[gray juniper]

This sounds like oppression

Knock knock “heeyyyy buddy how’s the progress on the project going?”

[trail panther]

Is dueling sword better for crushers than the blazeforce greatsword?

I'm doing fine against the crushers with the greatsword but there's just so goddamn many

[glacial vapor]

It's a lot safer with the movement

[gray juniper]

It’s why people use the agile blessing to keep dodging them

[trail panther]

I keep seeing waves of 6 crushers and like 3 or 4 maulers around almost every corner so I was just wondering what the best option was for dealing with them since I'm focusing on melee in my build

[glacial vapor]

Not to mention the special stab

[gray juniper]

When will you become purgatus acolyte, or journeyman, adept?

Focusing on melee? What do you have?

[trail panther]

is there a way to zoom out in the talents tab

[gray juniper]

Using gameslantern to provide the whole picture in one, but not what I meant anyway

What weapons are you using?

And what key talents go with them?

[trail panther]

I'm using mk VI blaze force greatsword and bolter pistol

I might change bolter pistol though idk it's just kind of ok

[gray juniper]

Both of those together provide a narrow focus on crowds, so you’ll innately have longer time clearing horde chaff in your way while dealing with armor mixed in

[trail panther]

I'm using disrupt destiny, scrier's gaze, and prescience

I was using the other greatsword but I liked the heavy attack of this one way more

and I have assail just to throw out every now and then

[gray juniper]

The vi can clear hordes but it’s somewhat longer to do because of the necessary attack and block loops to use it safely

Paired with a bolt pistol gives you less options on how to move about

[vestal trench]

funnily enough i have played smite but exclusively arena, i was talking about dota medusa tho

[vestal trench]

i forget what pos 3 is

pos 4 is super fun tho

if i ever play dota again i wanna learn chen

[trail panther]

would you reccommend a different gun, or going back to the mark viii?

[pale prairie]

Lmao my bad I figured cause all the talk about pos.

[pale prairie]

Is the chain that much longer? I thought everyone’s recommendation was light 1, light 2 block reset on both

[potent pelican]

don't worry sibling i too enjoy abit of smiting

[pale prairie]

Ehhhhh not the blitz XD

[potent pelican]

unlunky

[pale prairie]

For some

[gray juniper]

You may want to try using the recon lasgun mark xiv for the easiest time and give you space to deal with armor
Or consider:
combat shotgun accatran or aggripina models for fast low horde clear

[pale prairie]

I got tired of using it because I could never rely on teammates to actually kill the specials. Better to just kill them outright. Don’t have to CC what is already dead

[trail panther]

my favorite gun was the revolver with the mark that lets you aim down sights but idk

[potent pelican]

i mostly play flamestaff shriek these days anyway

[trail panther]

I'll try those guns, thank you for the suggestion

[pale prairie]

I think most do haha

[gray juniper]

Yea that’s what I mean

[pale prairie]

I really need to get into the psykanium to see how I feel

[gray juniper]

Mark 8 does it faster though because of the horizontals

[pale prairie]

Yeah that’s why I like it but people really love the stab heavy chain on Mk 6. The push stab on 8 I thought does more damage though

[trail panther]

yeah I really like the heavy chain on the mark VI

[hearty wolf]

I tend to go to sleep at 2am so instead of once a week where I get like 5 hours of sleep, it happens twice a week

Sleep earlier?

No

[trail panther]

the stats in the game say it does like way more damage, that's like the whole reason I started using it

the reason I was running the bolter was for armored enemies but it took so long to kill them with it I gave up and switched my sword instead

[gray juniper]

In the event, the bolt pistol and revolver suffer from costing more shots per kill and make them less worth using while the event is active

[pale prairie]

FGS with some DD stacks and SG should let you two shot if you have unstable power and carapace damage

[trail panther]

Yeah I was just thinking of letting the event go out, but I really want to play the game and get better so idk what to do. I'm still very clueless despite my time in the game

[pale prairie]

I mean carapace enemies I feel are supposed to be something that requires a bit of teamwork if they are in really big clusters. Either an Ogryn to tank, zealot to DPS, or psyker to provide CC/ or inferno damage

[trail panther]

I soloq so there is no comms

[pale prairie]

I guess arbiter helps with tanking and shock mines

[trail panther]

but I also like playing aggressive way more than sitting back and spitting flames

[spiral storm]

aint no ogryn tanking several crusher overheads

[pale prairie]

I mean unless they want a loss…sometimes pinging can help

[gray juniper]

That’s if you want to keep the mark 6 greatsword no matter what. It’s typically wise to have one weapon that works wide on crowds and one that’s strong single target. Test out whatever combinations, just if you take a non-spread fire gun or slower shooting one, switch to mark 8 sword

[pale prairie]

By tanking I mean taunting and providing distraction

[glacial vapor]

You could just avoid quickplay and the rotten armour missions so you have less packs to deal with

[trail panther]

do the event spawns apply to QP? I was getting tons of them in missions that didn't have the event modifier

[pale prairie]

I haven’t really tested it cause I have a dodge but shield Ogryn can take definitely more than one

[glacial vapor]

Sometimes you get a lot of Ogryns

I have seen an awful lot recently

[trail panther]

I'm getting tons of ogryns every match so idk

[pale prairie]

It’s been glorious

They pop like zits

[glacial vapor]

I don't need to see another pack of Reapers waddle out of the door next to me

[trail panther]

I mean, I want to keep the Mk6 but I don't want to use guns on crowds

I love tearing through crowds with the sword

[pale prairie]

Wow this guy hates Ogryns….thats problematic dude they are still technically human

[trail panther]

half the point of me focusing melee, it feels great to rip through them all

[glacial vapor]

The heretics gave that up

[pale prairie]

Yeah but those sad ogryns were probably tricked with rations

[gray juniper]

Are you going to use the mod that makes the enemies attack? Probably necessary

[glacial vapor]

They have forsaken the Emprah, only death can save them now

[gray juniper]

I’m using inferno start and Deimos in the armored event with little downside

[trail panther]

I mostly use guns just to pick off ranged targets or other enemies of high priority so like snipers/trappers as an example

[pale prairie]

Maaaaaaybe. Might just do a couple of swings to test. Since I use EK staff I kind of need more of a horde clear than a heavy killer

[trail panther]

I guess trappers aren't a great example but same idea

[pale prairie]

A classic pairing

[gray juniper]

You can use the deimos and a spread gun as another option. Deimos works pretty good for gunker also

Possibly obscurus too

[pale prairie]

I haven’t used obscures I literally years

[trail panther]

I want to focus on melee, so I guess I'll go back to Mk8 and then run the recon rifle for armored targets?

no but there's just so many since I got back into the game so I was wondering if there was a better option than the greatsword

it just takes too long to deal with a crowd of 6 crushers on my own which is usually the case most matches

for some reason soloq teammates don't focus them

[gray juniper]

Armor trains are more of an advanced thing to deal with when playing gunker so don’t feel too bad. Just realize you’re not going to be quick killing the majority on a single gaze session is all

[pale prairie]

Yeah they are kind of designed to be a time and resource sink

[gray juniper]

I haven’t used it since early post level 30, but apparently some people find great success with it. It also does one shot a lot of specials

[trail panther]

I mean I don't care that my gaze runs out that much but it just really sucks to have 5 charged heavies to the head only kill one or two of them

[gray juniper]

With the right blessings ofc

[pale prairie]

Yeah I was surprised to see its name come up a lot. Is Illisi still loved as a horde clear?

[ripe obsidian]

FGS replaced Illisi

More or less

[pale prairie]

That’s pretty good. I think without damage bonuses other than carapace damage it takes like 4-5 per crusher

[pale prairie]

That’s what I thought

[trail panther]

Damnation

I lose a lot of matches, at least I did for the last 2 days

memory is hard for me so I don't remember the whole week of playing

no I was asking how to zoom out in the talents menu

[pale prairie]

Oooooof yeah that’s become the new heresy for me. I have yet to see someone attempt to unnet my Ogryn immediately rather than just chop at the horde instead

[severe folio]

when i feel like I can proudly talk about all of the purgatus

[trail panther]

I actively know my build is not that good but I have very little knowledge on how the game works and whatnot so I was just following something that seemed fun

I'll try that website really quick

[pale prairie]

I mean I don’t think it is looked down on in here. Pretty sure majority run that lmao

[severe folio]

i have had this name since i first join this discord, which was when the first class tree revision happen

at that time i dont think the staff was the majority

it was still voidstrike

somehow that changed

i still have no clue how

its still the same as it is before

[gray juniper]

Btw low recoil guns likes zarona pistol, Accratran laspistol and somewhat less recon las are better for doing that than boltpistol

[severe folio]

though i am quite glad that somehow it became the majority, and that the majority knows the majestic of purgatus

[pale prairie]

Yeah I was a voidstrike main cause of ranged elites and specials. It changed when they murdered some of the talents and I think damage of the voidstrike

[severe folio]

however by that point it has become known as infernus instead

[ripe obsidian]

I was goofing around in low 30s Havoc, and I experienced this in a significant way. Two bosses spawned, both chasing me, and all three teammates went after the horde instead. I ended up just luring both bosses onto the team to force them to help. >:(

[trail panther]

I didn't mind choosing the lesser option of the bolter because it instakills like almost every other special than the carapace dudes I'm trying to deal with

[gray juniper]

No friend that’s kind of backwards because you’re then using two crowd focused weapons and one is lower damage on elites and no damage on carapace. Las weapons don’t hurt carapace at all

[severe folio]

the lethal proximity blessing on bolt pistol doesnt do anything for psyker right ?

since we dont have any explosive

[edgy smelt]

I believe it changed when purg got buffed and they added blaze away.

[severe folio]

oh yeah they did add blaze away

and the other flame blessing

[gray juniper]

I guess but it’s so poor at everything else I’d hate to take it now

[severe folio]

but other than that did they alter the stat of the purgatus ? i do not know anything about stat change on the staff

[pale prairie]

Hahahahahhaha it’s like the demon host right? Once the bosses get a sacrifice they go away if you don’t aggro right?????

[severe folio]

i see

[edgy smelt]

i mean i've just got done being homeless so ive missed much but as far as i can tell the only other change to purge is its range has been nerf... However infinite cleave and the buffed dmg from blaze away yeah i can see why it became the go to staff

[pale prairie]

God I remember when the voidstrike could trigger surge in the middle of the horde from hitting multiple heads

[severe folio]

oh i had no idea the range was nerfed

[gray juniper]

Look at Kuli guides in the pins for breakdowns on talents and weapons

[severe folio]

i guess i shall promote myself into acolyte then

[trail panther]

I finished my build on the website, do I send a link or just take pictures

[severe folio]

i think both is fine

[trail panther]

a lot of my options in perks are super inoptimal but I went more for comfort

[severe folio]

either or is fine

[trail panther]

oh I think I need to make an account to send in what I put in

I'll just take pics

it's not letting me put pictures in this chat?

ok thanks

yeah I get that

but like I said, a lot of my choices were for comfort more than being optimal since I don't have a great idea of what is good or not

I tried to do some research on what to go for, at least in terms of curios anyways, but it was confusing.

[pale prairie]

That’s how we all start until we get to higher difficulties and lean on the guys who obsessively test. Even then people in here have some small talent choices based on personal preference

[ripe obsidian]

Toughness regen speed got nerfed

Is not good anymore

On curios, at least

[pale prairie]

Much sad

[gray juniper]

Send a link

[pale prairie]

What changed? It’s only with coherency now?

[trail panther]

I had to send pictures anyways, they're right up there

[pale prairie]

Posted above

[ripe obsidian]

I think so. Something like that. I will look

[thorn cedar]

lmao

[gray juniper]

Some pointers mercy

[pale prairie]

Okay so I think I see your problem with the crushers

[thorn cedar]

my parents are visiting for my birthday and we're gonna go to a restaurant, i told them the burger place we usually go to isnt open these days of the week and they actually texted back to say they are maybe reconsidering LOL

burgers > sons birthday

[hearty wolf]

Damn

[thorn cedar]

honestly, i get it, those burgers rock

i would disown my own hypothetical son for a taste of that meat

[plucky flax]

Such succulent meat.

[thorn cedar]

i said what i said

[pale prairie]

Damn that’s cold. I am sure it’s more about making sure the event is fun for everyone. We’ve rescheduled family events around restaurant hours before haha

[thorn cedar]

oh yea its just very funny on the surface

really my mom is a notoriously picky eater and that she even eats those burgers is crazy

so thats probably why

[ripe obsidian]

Looks like it used to stack in some way with toughness regen speed talents, now it doesn't. So it affects coherency and only coherency, no interplay with anything else.

[trail panther]

Are they typing for a really long time or is there a joke I don't understand

[deft stump]

Offlane.

[pale prairie]

This sword will probably help more with crushers. Also I would make sure on your curios you either go double health or double toughness. The Jack of all trades between the two is not optimal

[pale prairie]

Yeah that’s dog doodoo

[trail panther]

oh ok thanks

what are unyielding enemies?

[edgy smelt]

monsters and ogryns

[trail panther]

just the big dudes and maulers or smth

[ripe obsidian]

Make sure you roll one with all 76s, otherwise it's a trash roll.

(Don't actually.)

[pale prairie]

Bulwarks and bosses

Oh and reapers

[trail panther]

ok thanks

wait so are my current rolls bad

[gray juniper]

@trail panther

The swishes are for “maybe” changes

[ripe obsidian]

I like the wiggly tildes

[trail panther]

ok thanks I'll try it out

[gray juniper]

The fingers too fat

[pale prairie]

Gonna be honest I think you may have spent more time in Paint than it would have taken to just make a new one and screen cap it 😂

[trail panther]

I was using lingering influence before but I wanted to experiment with the perfectionism one

[plucky flax]

It's actually op roll

[trail panther]

I was told spawns are significantly greater on the higher difficulties and that's where I want to be, I'm just stuck in damnation rn because of skill issue

[dull scroll]

psyker is 2nd worst class apparently

buff plz fartshark

[pale prairie]

I think part of your problem was not skill but sub optimal tree and gear. Don’t beat yourself up about it. This game can be dense to understand all the interactions

[edgy smelt]

also your playing psyker, this class is punishing with low hp and high threat level

[trail panther]

I'm aware, before now I was the former but I kind of wish to be more toward the latter

[marble crater]

If that means we getting buffs I'm okay with that ranking

[trail panther]

I'm already at 300-500 hours of gametime I believe?

not a lot but getting there

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-im-too-weak-weak-too-weak-i-am-too-weak-gif-27278272

[gray juniper]

Bulwarks and reapers count as unyielding. Other than that its bosses

[trail panther]

my unstable power says it only gives up to 5% strength

is this outdated?

or am I missing something

(my blessings are all maxed)

[pale prairie]

What level is it?

[ripe obsidian]

Horde clear... 6/10? What?

[gray juniper]

I had to look up that talent placements on the tree to be sure like a noob

[trail panther]

IV (4)

[violet narwhal]

its worse then ogryn and arbites but its still way better than zealot and vey

[pale prairie]

Just make a new one then!! I always double check the names before posting here so I don’t get

“UM ACKSHUALLY!!”

[pale prairie]

Dude shut up! Do you want buffs or not?!?

[dull scroll]

to be fair he didn't give any other class above 6, but still 6 is 😏

[ripe obsidian]

What the fuck is the point of a 10-point scale if nothing can get over a 6

[dull scroll]

could be argued book bot is on par or might be even better in the hands of unskilled pubs

[pale prairie]

It scales up with peril. So it starts at 5% and then goes up to 20% as your peril gets higher

[pale prairie]

Because he’s a pro and everything is mid

[mental rock]

You can link the blessing all you want, it's up to 20%

[pale prairie]

I think that might be a wording bug

[trail panther]

ok I'll put it on alongside the other reccommendations and see how my matches go

wait what gun should I do again?

[marble crater]

In my Darktide?

[pale prairie]

Recon lasgun I think? You need something to kill far away specials and your FGS will take care of armored guys

[trail panther]

Alright I'll do that, thanks

[pale prairie]

It’s cause it’s written in Swedish then translated to code then translated to English

[trail panther]

do you mind telling me what I should put on the recon lasgun?

[thorn cedar]

a really cool trinket

[marble crater]

Flak, Unyielding, infernus and dum dum

[oak echo]

Does Mister E even have credible meta takes?

[ripe obsidian]

Correct.

"Every 20% of current peril grants 1 stack (up to 4); stack calculation rounds down so the first stack is granted when above 20% peril, the second when above 40% peril, etc; max stacks when above 80% peril. Per stack, increases the power level (see values below) of melee attacks and DoTs while the weapon is wielded; stacks additively with other power level buffs, and multiplicatively with damage buffs.

'Power level buffs' increase the base power of attacks which benefits damage, stagger, and cleave (where applicable)."

[pale prairie]

@trail panther #psyker-class message

[trail panther]

Thank you

[pale prairie]

Mobility dump stat I believe and on the FGS warp resistance dump stat

Ideally you want warp resistance as low as possible to benefit from the unstable power and toughness DR from One with the Warp as long as possible

[tulip kettle]

you can dump collateral on recon las

[trail panther]

are you able to choose what stats go up when you upgrade the weapons or do you mean I just gotta try and play 1 million matches and roll the dice as much as possible?

[tulip kettle]

i use a 70 mobility 70 collat one

[trail panther]

I don't know what you mean by dump stats

[tulip kettle]

no but you can see what they will max to

[gray juniper]

But anyway, you deserve a detailed breakdown to make the critique informative. So to start, warp expenditure is negligible for what it provides. You typically never want to take that one. Battle meditation is kind of in the same boat. I left that off because it’s personal choice what quell tools you want to use. Perfect timing as a replacement for at least one of these is a good suggestion.
Taking warp unbound with scriers gaze is highly recommended especially for a newer player
Perfectionism is less useful than lingering influence because the stacks will more likely deteriorate before being obtained and lingering influence allows you to keep more procs with less marked enemy concern
Depending what gun you use, surety of arms can turn long reload weapons into something much more dependable

[tulip kettle]

the dump stat is the one that is 60

most weapons, when fully empowered, will be 80 in 5 stats and 60 in one

60 is dump stat

on greatsword the dump is warp resistance, on recon las its either mobility or collateral to taste

[trail panther]

I see

[edgy smelt]

you go to brunts and you spend an absurd amount of dockets and eventually you will get a weapon with desirable stats

[tulip kettle]

unstable power actually goes to 20%

and 20% str is very good

[gray juniper]

Just stop

https://tenor.com/view/jordan-stop-it-gif-15830202965985496707

[pale prairie]

So on weapons you can have stats that are max 80 except for one that ends up being 60. This is the way the weird math works. So on weapons people min max to have the stat least valuable be the 60. You only get this by shopping at the store or buying weapons from brunt armory until you roll the right spread

[tulip kettle]

if you are mainly using MK6 for armour and stuff

shred tends to be better than wrath

[strong gulch]

Wait. Maybe this answers some questions on why arby and oggy insists on horde clearing while the psyker is stuck with a crusher blob or boss.

[trail panther]

well I got a mobility 64 on the gun immediatley so I think that's good right?

[tulip kettle]

you want to look at the second number

[trail panther]

I know

that's the second number

[tulip kettle]

so it will say like, 43/65

sweet then yeah

and all the others should be 80 or close to it

[pale prairie]

Yeah it’s cause psyker is mid apparently. Less than mid

[trail panther]

yeah only one that's not 80 is ammo which is 76

[tulip kettle]

thats fine

[pale prairie]

That’s great

[strong gulch]

Pls buff 🙏

[tulip kettle]

youll have like, 175 in a mag instead of 180 or whatever

[pale prairie]

Eventually you’ll have enough money that the small difference will cause you to gamble until it’s “perfect” but that should be just fine for play

[plucky flax]

Is tru I've never seen a psyker with most kills in a game.

[trail panther]

I still need to level up the recon lasgun anyways, I have most weapons unmastered

[pale prairie]

Yeah I want to see the no lifers posting 3 million damage havoc games or I riot

[plucky flax]

Isn't only karien is capable of doing that?

[pale prairie]

I speak of justice for us all

[strong gulch]

Not even unsanctioned can do it. pls buff

[plucky flax]

I think this was karien playing on unsanctioned's account.
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1366080344276860958/image.png?ex=68937af6&is=68922976&hm=5d32f456c24ed122dc3671a4328caed8a4e7ceaec961514df1885c91227b1014&

[strong gulch]

Buff Karien

[trail panther]

once I get the toughness curio I want, what should I replace the curio drop chance with, a third gunner resist?

[pale prairie]

How is that number so perfect

Lmao

[plucky flax]

#justkarienthing

[thorn cedar]

photoshop duh

[dull scroll]

we have 3mils now 😏

[gray juniper]

Let me put it this way. One of the last weapons o want to try out is the veteran’s plasma gun
Over separate sessions of attempts for perfect or near perfect roll, I’ve spent 10 million game money

[pale prairie]

Alright 5 mil

[plucky flax]

But anyway, psykers pretty weak.

It's from mr. e he's incapable of playing psyker as well so he hating extra hard.

[pale prairie]

Okay how the fuck was this an auric?

[dull scroll]

it's not, scoreboard shows all havoc as auric

[gray juniper]

@trail panther strength is one of the best damage modifiers to use

[strong gulch]

Toughness, CDR, gunner resist, hp are all good options. Not nessisarrily in that order.

[pale prairie]

Lmao okay that makes sense!

[plucky flax]

Also that video is like a couple months old anyway right?

[tulip kettle]

i would personally say, on psyker for high tier content, 3 x 17% toughness resist, with 3x ability cooldown, 3x 5% tough is the go to

then the other 3 slots are very changeable but will be some combo of gunner resist, HP and corruption resist usually

[trail panther]

ok I'll take everything I can into account, thank you everyone

oh really? I was told corruption resist was bad

[tulip kettle]

its a preference thing

[trail panther]

I see

so what does finesse do?

[tulip kettle]

it can let you survive certain things in high havoc that you otherwise wouldnt

[pale prairie]

Nah it’s a screen shot of a picture taken with a camera that is then cropped

[dull scroll]

yes butter fingered 😔

[tulip kettle]

means your weakspots do more dmg

[upper sun]

not the default windows image viewer 😭

[trail panther]

ah damn

I might try rolling for the perfect FGS then

[tulip kettle]

so when shooting or hitting things in the head you do more dmg

[trail panther]

it's 1% off of 80

[pale prairie]

Careful you’ll need money to empower and upgrade

[tulip kettle]

fgs you really want 80 on everything and warp res as low as you like

but 1% is unlikely to matter most of the time

[trail panther]

I got warp resist 61 max and then everything else except finesse 80

[pale prairie]

That is completely fine hahaha

[tulip kettle]

lol

yeah dude its fine

[upper sun]

@dull scroll get nomacs Image Lounge itll change your life

[pale prairie]

With the way Fatshark math works it might be like 1 or 2 damage

[tulip kettle]

i have a 79% dmg trauma that annoys clad every time he sees it

[strong gulch]

I have 76/s trauma (pls don't is meme)

I was very lucky on Unlucky for Some

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/trash-garbage-dumpster-gif-22255810

[gray juniper]

X thing is TOTALLY BUSTED

OP

BROKEN

CLICK HERE

[trail panther]

so is this a good FGS then?

[pale prairie]

Guys I think med got hacked by bots

[tulip kettle]

its exactly what i would use

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sesame-street-oscar-the-grouch-annoyed-grouchy-shaking-head-gif-25029101

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[trail panther]

alright so now I need to focus on getting mastery for my lasgun then

[tulip kettle]

but shred instead of wrath is better if you only use it for crushers and maulers and not much else

[gray juniper]

Who told you this?

[pale prairie]

In tha’ bin wit ya!

[trail panther]

I saw it online while trying to do research

[tulip kettle]

its because people say

just dont take corruption

[trail panther]

It was a reddit post so I know not to trust it too much but I am really clueless for this game so I wasn't sure

[edgy smelt]

just dont breath the tox gas

duh

[tulip kettle]

same as saying "just dont get hit"

why take toughness or hp

[pale prairie]

Should be fun and easy. Just pop Scrier’s and go to work popping heads

[gray juniper]

NEVER trust anyone outside the coven psykana here

[trail panther]

You got it cap'n!

[pale prairie]

“Just play arbies with mask”

[gray juniper]

*unless recommended by someone from here

[tulip kettle]

plus MK6 + recon las

ZOOOOOOM

BONK

BRRRRRRRRRR

[pale prairie]

What is this?

[tulip kettle]

SG Mk12 FGS build

im bad though so i usually play bubble knight instead

[pale prairie]

Hahaha haven’t seen an empty PC talent in a while

[tulip kettle]

yeah its not nearly as good as you think

[trail panther]

Thank you for all the help everyone

[pale prairie]

PC or the build?

[tulip kettle]

when you have 0 other sources of blaze or interactions with it

PC

[gray juniper]

I would tend to agree

[pale prairie]

Why would internet strangers lie??

[tulip kettle]

i can show you some H40 games with 1.2 mil dmg on bubble knight with PC and no other blaze

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker can't horde clear. The Youtubers knew it all along. How foolish we were.

[tulip kettle]

and ending with like 30k soulblaze dmg at the end

[gray juniper]

But there’s some truly reliable people like potato, agent, syllogism, six, dom, etc who will explain why along with it

[trail panther]

https://tenor.com/view/arthur-lies-lie-internet-lie-stop-lying-gif-16106191074125891844

[pale prairie]

“Must not….take….bait….”

[gray juniper]

That’s a big deal over “that talent/item is useless!”

[pale prairie]

Eh I heard potato runs an all 76s trauma

Says it’s meta

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/facts-dwight-facts-the-office-dwight-gif-25782901

[marble crater]

And Agent just says to play what you want, listen to UnsanctionedPsyker instead, much better advice

[tulip kettle]

or ask karien to carry you

much easier

can play talentless with grey weapons and still win that way

[pale prairie]

Yeah agent is a little disconnected from reality. It’s like asking a billionaire where they use coupons

“Just buy what you want!”

[strong gulch]

My take on curios is that they are not as impactful as people want them to be. There are choices that are collective categorized as better. Such as hp, toughness, and CDR in part because they are always doing something.

BUT I think they should accommodate how you are currently playing and just what your preference is. That may change over time. Things like gunner resist become less impactful the better you position yourself, are able to dodge incoming fire, use cover, stop or interrupt shots, etc.

[radiant frigate]

either, gas dog good on predator strain

[pale prairie]

Love me gas dog keep me safe from bullshit rager bugs

[gray juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/adrastea-adra-spiderman-adrachad-gif-8400402767744346765

[tulip kettle]

g...g...gas dog?

[mossy cloak]

is the build in the pinned message still viable? want to try havoc with psyker

[radiant frigate]

eruptor is pretty epic too

[tulip kettle]

do i want to know what that is?

[mossy cloak]

the flame look so strong

[pale prairie]

A little drone that shoots poison hallucinogenic gas

[tulip kettle]

yes pinned builds from tato are up to date and very good

[marble crater]

What about people having a number in their name, but it's not directly obvious and it's written a little bit obscure?

[mossy cloak]

thank you

[gray juniper]

It’s meta if you’re a potato 🥔 🫡

[mossy cloak]

wait sorry who is tato?

oh

potato

nvm

[marble crater]

[tulip kettle]

😄

[mossy cloak]

I imagined a Japanese name

thank you again

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/potatoes-gif-18364984

[strong gulch]

🙋

[pale prairie]

Huh wow so second class cause I don’t have numbers?

[ripe obsidian]

Trust no one. Not even yourself.

[pale prairie]

It’s like the white name all over again

[fluid knot]

Omw to parry the entirety of a Havoc40 with Catachan Sword

[ripe obsidian]

No one has lost me so many games so consistently as myself. That guy's gotta be trolling me.

[pale prairie]

Michael Phelps: “You can swim any style. All of them are fast if you are good.”

[marble crater]

You have one in your name, you are good

[ripe obsidian]

Zealot chat was the Scared Straight program that changed me from a Zealot main to a Psyker main. Also that I can't aim throwing knives to save my life

[pale prairie]

Yeah that guy aggroed two bosses and dragged them back to his team!

[fluid knot]

If only Zealot's tree wasnt so utterly fubar with stuff in nonsensical places

[trail panther]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-versus-vs-alien-monster-vs-alien-gif-16037253809360562033

this fgs works so much better

[pale prairie]

Told you it was bad weapon

[pale prairie]

That clip is fucking hysterical

[ripe obsidian]

Zealot tree has massive point taxes unless you go the meta route

[fluid knot]

Even then it still kinda does

[cobalt python]

Don’t trust anyone

Not even yourself

Yeah you can’t trust me

[fluid knot]

The horizontal rows of three tax nodes need to get yeeted out, same problem Vet has, too many random nodes that contribute either very little or next to nothing

[cobalt python]

I have a stealth build on my Vet

It’s actually decently useful for getting people up though

[ripe obsidian]

For all the shit it gets about being OP, the Arby tree is fantastically designed. So many build options.

[pale prairie]

But I can’t trust what you say….

[dull scroll]

stealth build is pretty much for farming picking up penances, and do obj

[fluid knot]

Yeah absolutely, Arby just suffers from numbers bloat, the actual design of the tree is what all the other characters should have

[cobalt python]

I have it because I constantly get surrounded and it helps me get out and that’s a bonus

[pale prairie]

Yeah I hate it because I am jealous

[gray juniper]

More funny than it should be

[oak echo]

Shroudfield was funny exactly once

[cobalt python]

We have stealth Psykers?

[ripe obsidian]

My guess is that it was balanced around H40, whereas other classes were built and balanced around Auric Maelstrom. Never mind that Arby is silly strong even in H40

[gray juniper]

Can you post a link?

[pale prairie]

That makes an insane amount of sense

[fluid knot]

Ye, like I said, numbers bloat, too many +15% nodes, but yeah you're kinda right, though as someone said in the Arby chat the other day, Zealot's power level (on the meta setup) should be where everyone sits, they just need more build diversity

Arb already has that in spades

[pale prairie]

https://youtu.be/WLfAf8oHrMo?si=21VtA8VBzFaU8_p_

https://tenor.com/view/jedi-ghost-yoda-anakin-skywalker-gif-18258883

[gray juniper]

Bro.. wow lmao

Ngl yall. I’m gonna try no keystone on dog build because dog attention is useless for me anyway. Extra point to play with and still have officer back up

[fluid knot]

I am aware, its still a compounding issue though

[strong gulch]

I know basically nothing about zealot except for like backwards S build.

[marble crater]

So you know all the zealot builds

[ripe obsidian]

Infinite cleave AOE at the cost of dying to a strong breeze

D:

Oh, fair.

Ogryn is my least-played class

[dull scroll]

zealots are all book bots, or they play long enough and become a taxe cultist

[fluid knot]

TacAxe is fuckin based, hush yo mouth

[dull scroll]

nuh uh

[fluid knot]

Keep it that way, in its current state it will give you brainrot

[cobalt python]

The ogryn is level 5 for me everyone else is level 14 or more

[pale prairie]

Oof are you saying cause they are strong?

[fluid knot]

Too strong, yes

[pale prairie]

But I love taunting and frontlining for the lil’uns

[cobalt python]

Me reading this not understanding half the shit being said

[pale prairie]

Yeah I only have two characters psyker and Ogryn

[fluid knot]

You should play Vet, at least if you don't always rely on shout it forces you to actually play the game. Does it have a shitty skill tree? Absolutely, but there is very little in the way of bullshit stuff that will carry you

[cobalt python]

I have one of all 5

Level 5 ogryn
Level 14 Arbitrator
Level 17 Psyker
Level 17 Zealot
Level 30 Veteran

[pale prairie]

Tried vet for a bit then got bored of just shooting stuff and left it at level 5 for psyker

[trail panther]

Chat

my hot pockets are finished

I'm about to go crazy against these heretics

[cobalt python]

Pretty sure that’s the level it gets good

[fluid knot]

Idk, melee Vet is super fun not gonna lie

[pale prairie]

I have played a lot of fps shooters and have a deep love of wizards

[cobalt python]

Melee vet with stealth build is fun

[fluid knot]

Catachan Sword and Boltpistol, my beloved

❤️

[cobalt python]

Stab em to death and run away then it gets a bit hard to deal with

And use the stealth to help the teammates

https://tenor.com/view/dwayne-the-rock-johnson-dwayne-johnson-dwayne-yes-yes-yes-yes-gif-23180639

[fluid knot]

True

😄

[cobalt python]

Melee vet is suboptimal for me because I require all my masteries to be 20

Lots of melees are shared

Among 4 classes

[pale prairie]

My favorite is when they don’t have the ammo aura and end up becoming melee vets against their will

[ripe obsidian]

I mostly hate how movement feels on Ogryn. Feel like I can't dodge anything.

[fluid knot]

Ironically, Weapon Specialist kinda massively cuts down the requirement for the ammo aura, its still nice for the team to have dont get me wrong, but yeah when you can guarantee crits ammo expenditure goes down a lot

[ripe obsidian]

It's the timing more than anything

I know about the stagger on dodge, it just feels bad to me

[fluid knot]

You don't need to a lot of the time, just LMB to victory

[plucky flax]

Its the delay between dodges

Hard to dodge multiple disablers

[ripe obsidian]

Is also why Shredder grenades on vet are so incredibly superior to all the others.

[cobalt python]

Me watching as I do that and immediately get gunned down

[plucky flax]

Tru

[ripe obsidian]

I have technically won H40 doing that, but it was not a good time.

[cobalt python]

I shall remember this

[fluid knot]

Realtalk tho, if you're taking smokes and not taking the Exe' node so teammates get highlights, its a throw

[gray juniper]

This is why fyre is a zealot main in disguise

[dull scroll]

speak not to me of that taxe cultist 😒

[fluid knot]

Some enemies, not all of them

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe my team should have memorized enemy positions before I threw smoke. It's their fault for not being prepared. Amateurs.

[fluid knot]

Smokes and highlights can be really fuckin strong if your team knows to capitalize on it, but most of the time they either don't or ignore it tho, an its still not as good as Shredders, ho hum

[thorn cedar]

As fun as it is to blind + highlight, the point tax on your tree is absolutely not worth it

[fluid knot]

Yeah, its very costly

Same issue Zealot has, all the syngergistic stuff is in weird places :/

[verbal thistle]

how so?

*in the context of zealot

sorry

[fluid knot]

Depends, if its trash its fine, if its an elite mob, less fine

[fluid knot]

Crit related stuff on the top right of the tree, miles away from Piety, enforcing point taxes to reach optimal combinations

[verbal thistle]

scourge and EF, I see

yeah

[fluid knot]

also damage to next wound being on the left when Martydom is middle tree

There is a lot of weird decisions that handicap point expenditure

[thorn cedar]

That Bleed for the Emperor and Restoring Faith are in two separate quadrants really fucks with me

also genuinely detest the +2 Wound node leading into Martyrdom. Why even have that separated? Just roll it into base Martyrdom.

Why would I NOT take that if i was taking Martyrdom and why would I ever take that if I wasn't?

[fluid knot]

Yeah, that would make sense

Taking wounds on their own is fine if you're learning the game, but it being so deep the tree anyway is kinda antithetical to that concept

It isnt going to take a new player very long to work out wounds are significantly less good than toughness or even HP

Banking on faliure vs preventing it

[strong gulch]

When the shop only ever has wound curios. 😭

[pale prairie]

More like when they don’t have 76 level curious am I right?

[strong gulch]

The curioless.

[pale prairie]

Didn’t unsanctioned say that you don’t need curios to play at havoc40? They are just a crutch

[glacial vapor]

Nothing makes me want to commit mass murder than seeing a 410 curio in the shop with + 1 wound.

Maybe it's a tactic from the higher ups

[thorn cedar]

personally if you took away my 3x sprint eff i would murder you

[strong gulch]

Not a crutch. I defend mobility aids. But also probably.

[ripe obsidian]

You also don't need orange weapons or talents. Real Rejects don't have that kind of power. >:(

[cobalt python]

https://tenor.com/view/ahoklollmao-noooo-nooo-noo-no-gif-17139315586294057944

[pale prairie]

I am gonna try switching to all toughness and see how I feel

[cobalt python]

Time to play Psyker

[azure parcel]

love steam forums

[marble crater]

The hell

[azure parcel]

[ripe obsidian]

I did 3 toughness, then went back to 2x toughness, 1x health. 3 toughness meant a single burster put me down to one wound. Was not fun.

[cobalt python]

Why is a Jagdpanzer IV German tank destroyer based upon the Pz.IV medium tank with a 75mm anti tank gun also on the Panzer V Panther talking in the steam forums

[plucky flax]

Isn't that just bait though.

[pale prairie]

New difficulty level unlocked: “Realism Mode”

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-bait---blank-gif-5155299434203653815

[gray juniper]

I prefer stamina curio and health over toughness. They can’t talk me out of at least one

[ripe obsidian]

Buff Psyker please. I haven't cracked 3m damage yet. Too weak.

[azure parcel]

can never tell with steam forums

[strong gulch]

pls buff

[pale prairie]

It’s bait for unsanctioned not you agent

[azure parcel]

what are you talking about, Steam forums should exist for everything so that room temp IQ assclowns don't break containment

[pale prairie]

Pfff don’t get bursted

[plucky flax]

It's sensational thread titlel ike that on steam forum/reddit that's ragebaiting and stuff.

[azure parcel]

and to provide unfiltered entertainment for the rest of us

[gray juniper]

Nah. That dude lied multiple times in that post

[cobalt python]

Great movie

[gray juniper]

Havoc 40 is kind of the realism/immersion mode

[strong gulch]

Let him have his lies so fatshark buffs us.

[cobalt python]

Nah world was ok all the others were shit

Hybrid dinosaurs made way for some cool stuff

[gray juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/ups-upsi-gif-23986483

[ripe obsidian]

Most players don't understand the game. Classes like Arby or Ogryn have a lot of safety nets. Psyker doesn't. I have a friend who is a Heresy player at best, and I watch him refuse to swap to melee when hordes descend, then complain about enemies doing too much damage.

[plucky flax]

Is the latest one good?

The last one came out like 2 years ago was so bad.

[cobalt python]

Do you think I’m calling park shit

[plucky flax]

When they went to some african black market or something.

[ripe obsidian]

So people try Psyker and refuse to play defensively, die, and complain about the glass cannon class being too fragile or something

There are people on Reddit who think Malice is too difficult.

[plucky flax]

I do. They even took away my sedition.

[azure parcel]

another amazing piece

[cobalt python]

The one where they nearly got assassinated by Attrociraptors or whatever that in a spin-off manage to control a blind Baryonyx that proceeds to get burned to death oh yeah and in the film there’s a Baryonyx with a missing eye and a mechanical arm

[pale prairie]

I mean if we really talking grim dark 40k we should just insta die after first horde

[cobalt python]

World was decent I think in the ranking of all of them

[azure parcel]

that can and does happen in h40

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-arrakis-dune-part-1-harkonnen-atreides-gif-14949351589185319331

[marble crater]

I don't think it's fair that people with several psykers get buffed more, people with a single character should get a bigger buff to compensate

[ripe obsidian]

Ignoring the other questionable content, I will agree that Psyker is hardest to play.

[pale prairie]

Wow. Does he also just push his car on his daily commute?

[ripe obsidian]

He bikes. So, he's sort of pushing his vehicle?

[cobalt python]

Despite Lost world Jurassic park being a book film (the book was made specifically for being made into a movie) it is greatly different and is pretty shit (also not good for a drinking game because you’d be drunk at the long grass scene)

[fluid knot]

Hardest to play, but absolutely not the weakest for sure

[gray juniper]

2 was better than 3 but a lot fam

[strong gulch]

Just get gudder.

[cobalt python]

Yeah 2 had some good things in it

[pale prairie]

puts on reading glasses and reads name

“Sefoni’sTitties” yep that’s a main character right there

[cobalt python]

I saw “MeLikeFeet” the Loner Psyker before I wonder why he’s a Loner

[pale prairie]

That’s crazy. Why not use all the things you paid for?

[glacial vapor]

One of the better ones imo, up there with Lost World and JW

[ripe obsidian]

I think it's Ogryn > Arby > Psyker > Zealot > Veteran in a vacuum. In a team context, Ogryn > Psyker > Zealot > Veteran > Arby.

I have come to hate having Arbiters on my team most of the time. They build and play selfishly, as bad as any stealth Zealot.

[cobalt python]

You must be
A.drunk
B.counting the shit JW sequels

[pale prairie]

Everyone offers medicae to them first

[cobalt python]

Even Camp Cretaceous was better than the sequels

It’s a kids show

[plucky flax]

Nice to know. I just looked up Dominion was the one really bad.

[cobalt python]

What happens in dominion again I forgot which one it is

[plucky flax]

JW was decent. Fallen Kingdom was worse but still watchable.

[glacial vapor]

Fallen Kingdom was worse imo but I didn't like either

[plucky flax]

They went to some african black market.

In dominion.

And they are raising some girl.

[cobalt python]

Oh the one with the Giga

[pale prairie]

Or they have been able to play above their knowledge level with an overtuned class. WHO DOESNT KNOW THAT NETS TAKE A SECOND TO REMOVE AND THEN JUST JUMPS OFF A LEDGE

[cobalt python]

That one

[marble crater]

I will try later after dinner

[cobalt python]

The one where the Dilophosaurus kills the final of the two dumbasses that caused Jurassic parks fall

[ripe obsidian]

Well, he doesn't have a car. But in regards to the game, I don't know. He's a very intelligent person, but his on-the-spot decision-making skills are lacking.

[plucky flax]

Oooh Gareth Edwards directed rebirth.

Godzilla 2014 was one of my fav movie.

The visual and sound design were so good.

[radiant frigate]

fps behaviour

what the hell guys why do melee enemies do damage when they club me in the face

[ripe obsidian]

They have CC. They just don't use it to help anyone.

[strong gulch]

I considered all of the sequels after the 1st Jurassic park something entirely different. Their entire praxis is different.

[jovial juniper]

No keystones is crazy

[cobalt python]

Me watching as I’m 1.5 arms lengths away from a pox Walker and it somehow hits me

[cobalt python]

Yeah I read one sentence and I ain’t reading that shit

[plucky flax]

Gareth Edwards did The Creator. Amazing visual but the story was massive flop.

[ripe obsidian]

Do you know if Helldivers has any melee focus? I know Deep Rock Galactic is very ranged-oriented, but the enemies are melee. I haven't played L4D2 enough to know the gameplay loop there. Same with Space Marine 2.

Just trying to compare to similar games to figure out the thought process.

[radiant frigate]

if you can dodge a lasgun you can dodge a poxwalker

[glacial vapor]

Likeable characters, decent plot, not relying on the same old dinos too much. I enjoyed it.

Is it perfect? No but it's still a fun movie

[radiant frigate]

helldivers melee is an absolute afterthought

you are not intended to go into melee

pretty much ever

[cobalt python]

Fair I guess

[marble crater]

Just like psyker balance is an afterthought

[strong gulch]

There's some melee, but it is not fleshed out or invested it. It's just ha ha is there.

[cobalt python]

Me when I’m busy assassinating the local trapper population

[radiant frigate]

there are a few melee weapons but they're not like, serious picks 99% of the time

[plucky flax]

Chris Patt overused the hand thing so much in these sequels though.

[radiant frigate]

except for axe/saber on illuminate

[marble crater]

Hand thing? Waving?

[plucky flax]

Bro can tame any dinos by holding out his palm.

[ripe obsidian]

Thought so. I feel like there's a big difference in playstyle between VT2 players and... any folks from any other horde game.

[radiant frigate]

in which case they are free unlimited horde clear

[trail panther]

@pale prairie I'm sorry for the ping but I forgot to ask what MK the recon lasgun should be? I have the mark 12 one now but wouldn't the burst one be better?

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-chris-pratt-stay-back-jurassic-world-gif-14392488

[glacial vapor]

Even though the Raptors turned on him immediately in the first movie

[cobalt python]

The dinosaurs know he’s the main character

[radiant frigate]

but in general you are very much intended to blow everything to bits with guns and ordnance

[dull scroll]

newbie psykers are just greedy greedy greenlings

[trail panther]

ok that's the one I'm using

[plucky flax]

He did that move to every dinosaur he encountered.

[radiant frigate]

faster is gooder

[marble crater]

Any other tips for a noob? should I play the highest difficulty right away when it releases on xbox?

[visual phoenix]

dinosaur?

[fluid knot]

Idk, Arby is by its very nature incredibly self-sufficient

[trail panther]

Definetley a lot better than the old one

[visual phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/beasts-of-bermuda-dinosaur-dinosaurs-get-real-dino-games-gif-25984657

[cobalt python]

And then he told the guys who were being killed not to shoot the raptors they immediately shot Charlie with an RPG

[ripe obsidian]

Seems that Vermintide and Darktide are the only games in the genre that have such a melee focus.

[trail panther]

but I either need to get better at the game or get into a voice call here and setup an lfg because I'm still losing matches

[azure parcel]

Space Marine 2

[ripe obsidian]

That is the problem, imo. It almost encourages people to go fuck off and ignore their team.

[azure parcel]

highly melee focused but it's also kinda "stale"

[trail panther]

I feel like if I can't even win a damnation then I should reevaluate my goals

[azure parcel]

just parry and win basically

[cobalt python]

You can go an entire game in that with ammo if you have the proper gear and place your shots well

[fluid knot]

Zealot has had that accusation for years 🤷‍♂️ that's on the guy playing it, not the class

[trail panther]

I was able to win plenty the other day and that was with my bad build so idk

[azure parcel]

you CAN but it's designed with a heavy melee focus in mind. Heresy Vets do that in Darktide too

[pale prairie]

You can do it but it’s very memes. There is only one armor that boosts attacks you can have an energy shield that blocks 1-2 attacks but then takes 15 sec to recharge. There’s a shield you can bring but it breaks after a certain amount of attacks. Each grunt enemy takes at least 2 swings to kill and you have zero response to big enemies without ordnance or a way to fly onto their backs and melee till dead. It’s a lot of work and investment for little pay off

[ripe obsidian]

At least the meta pushes Zealot toward Choir. That forces them to care a little more about their team.

Loner, though, is a bullshit "aura."

[azure parcel]

they should delete Loner

[fluid knot]

Idts not gona lie, Loner is a fantastic solo clutch tool, but yes, you do get dimwits who abuse it

[plucky flax]

Loner is real good in auric.

[ripe obsidian]

Loner is the worst talent in the game because it encourages bad gameplay.

[plucky flax]

Since it's easy enough to solo clutch.

[azure parcel]

it doesn't do anything for anyone except you

[glacial vapor]

You can't, gotta work your way up. Just beat one campaign for each difficulty though.

[dull scroll]

they need to buff loner, for the memes 😏

[plucky flax]

In havoc it's harder so loner not as good.

[fluid knot]

Not on the face of it no, but if the rest of the team die, then it does directly help the team by having the Zealot be significantly harder to kill when trying to get to the revives. Also worth mentioning, if you were gonna die, benediction or the corruption aura probably wouldnt have saved you anyway, so its a moot point

[fluid knot]

Not as good, no, but also modifier dependent

[ripe obsidian]

Loner change > you no longer benefit from ally auras, but you get extra quick chat hotkeys to badmouth your team.

[pale prairie]

I would jump into a 5-7 difficulty and see how that feels. You won’t have stuff unlocked so it will be difficult. Now that I think of it they make you grind up from level 1 difficulty by completing one of each mission difficulty.

[strong gulch]

@ripe obsidian There's a voice that can jumps care you. but this is kinda representative of the HD2 melee. The few options don't have the cleave or reach needed to deal with stuff; especially since it's hordes and your get surrounded. Also melee attacks drains stamina when non melee so not. This melee weapon (think it's a lance) pushes enemies so far away that I can't stab them again; and it take a lot of stabbing. During that time, anything else could have dealt with multiple enemies.

Melee is for silliness. Except for when some types of enemies are charging at you and you need to stop them, but and gun can do that.

[trail panther]

Sure, I can play a few more before I have to go back to chores https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198154189545/
is my steam account, I can't seem to find the fatshark id ingame

[marble crater]

[trail panther]

OHHHHHHHH

I was wondering where that menu went

7807580257

[strong gulch]

Social > find player (bottom right)

[visual phoenix]

if there is a slot a can join

[strong gulch]

beef carry

[visual phoenix]

nuh uh

[trail panther]

I don't mind anyone joining

I'll stream in case anyone wants to backseat

I know I don't do any attack cancels or other melee tech

[ripe obsidian]

I guess that's the outcome when the game isn't hard enough to force high skill (or those with the delusions of high skill) to play as a team.

[trail panther]

because I don't know how

[strong gulch]

Maybe do strike party then. More people can watch

[visual phoenix]

vc wont worky worky >:(

[ripe obsidian]

I don't know how to do any attack cancels either. Is not a concern.

[visual phoenix]

its alright

[trail panther]

unfortunate

[plucky flax]

Pls no back seat.

It's the worst when one trying to clutch and the dead guys give advices.

[trail panther]

I don't mind when people do that but I get your point

[plucky flax]

I've had it when I stopped to type to the guy to shut up and got killed because of it. Xd