psyker-class

[glacial vapor]

I thought it was pretty common

Different cultures/age groups I guess

[hearty wolf]

I think I've heard it once before

Like when I was 9

Glad it wasn't just a euphemism

[plucky flax]

How about suck egg?

[hearty wolf]

Ayo

[dull scroll]

sucka on these damage muahahahha

https://tenor.com/view/burning-hell-muahaha-evil-laugh-gif-10739654

[loud girder]

4 million wtf

[summer prairie]

537k from KF/BB

[dull scroll]

now to be fair, I spec KR and manual BB a lot 😒

[loud girder]

4 million dmg while barely taking any health dmg

good shit

[dull scroll]

it was a h40 trio, 4th pub rage quit after dying to like the second wave

[hearty wolf]

Proof inferno needs to be nerfed

That carry was so hard, I'm in the backpack too

[mighty agate]

Or make other staffs viable

[summer prairie]

if they ever nerf the cleave somehow, they should buff the direct damage

[hearty wolf]

I mean if you up the value of other staffs to be like that

[dull scroll]

I don't think they are going to nerf the staff, or this class, anytime soon

[hearty wolf]

There'd be little point to even loading into the game

[dull scroll]

here is why: the vast majority of pub psykers out there, for the lack of a better word, are dogshit
stuff we do here, are the outliner

[hearty wolf]

Unless we're making havoc 50

[hearty wolf]

What's hard about hold RMB+lmb and firing into a funnel 😭

[queen fog]

knowing when/when not to turn around i guess

since most psykers ive seen explode to any backstab

[glacial vapor]

When you have to stop and do something else lol

[jovial juniper]

Next dlc class made with h50 in mind, defeating the purpose

[dull scroll]

it's hard because it makes you immobile while not cc'ing elites like smite, newbies then just die 😂

[hearty wolf]

That's it

Make final toll a base mechanic

Anti-smite

They'll have to sink or swim

[glacial vapor]

It's decision making, awareness and positioning that gets me killed on psyker tbh

Or random bullshit

[dull scroll]

and greed

[hearty wolf]

I feel like that applies to all classes, it's just psyker gets confluffled for it

It's just different positioning and actually using movement so you're not a slug

[glacial vapor]

I picked an Ogryn out of a net yesterday and got mauled by three ragers that ran out of a door behind me

No time to even block, just dead lol

[hearty wolf]

😭

[mighty agate]

for me it's one mistake and i don't even go down, they just delete me from game

[hearty wolf]

Right click bind at all times

It's time to stack wound curios

You still won't get any downs because of corruption

But don't think about that

You have more health bars which is better

[loud girder]

also they just released two funny trees back to back

[mighty agate]

I hear that wounds are useless and to stack only toughness

and get gud

[loud girder]

if anything there's a higher chance of bringing the rest to their level

gotta make everyone ready for havoc 100

[hearty wolf]

Wounds are actively

Like

Worse

Than not having then sometimes

How fucking dumb is that

[marble crater]

Wounds nerf med stims

[summer prairie]

The hud not showing some buffs bug is due to the max shown buffs value being 20. Out of those 5 are reserved to debuffs and the value also takes into accounts buffs that are tracked but invisible. So that's why you get the bug more often when you've a lot of buffs active but also sometimes when you've fewer

[tacit minnow]

they literally already are!!!

[mighty agate]

My bad
Maybe they are viable but not good as inferno

[gray juniper]

Please no need inferno staff 🥺

[tacit minnow]

it gets you through enough of the game that you dont have to learn any fundamental skills to handle this games combat, and then when harder content actually manages to test your skills or when the psyker makes a catastrophic mistake they dont have the fundamental skills to bail themselves out of, they instantly crumple

[hearty wolf]

.

O

[tacit minnow]

the hard part is learning to be a better player on inferno

[hearty wolf]

I thought my chat wasn't scrolling

[hearty wolf]

In other words bad habits

However Arb teaches you good habits

[tacit minnow]

greed was my biggest mistake as someone who started playing psyker last

[hearty wolf]

Because you get an AI companion dog that's actually useful and a good simulacrum for a H40 teammate rather than whatever other goblins you get

🤔

[tacit minnow]

inferno and especially trauma staff make you very greedy

[mint matrix]

I gave a psyker a medcrate and they instantly left

[near drift]

based

[tacit minnow]

since you have infinite ammo you can easily fall into an uptime maximization mindset, and try to always be casting no matter what (i.e. trauma staffing your feet to hold your gorund instead of repositioning at ant point in time)

[gray juniper]

“Hey medmindset join my havoc 100 lobby”
“Ok im loading in. I see an enemy over th-“

[tacit minnow]

when you often do way better (i.e. not die for no good reason) if you stop being greedy and play it more safe and switch to your melee, block, and try to get the fuck out of the situation

[loud girder]

funnily enough it does and doesn't
the dmg nodes teach players to mix heavies push attacks and lights and u get billion bonuses on hitting weakspots and dmg buffs after dodging
and then u ignore all of that cause u can just faceroll anyway haha

[mint matrix]

infinity toughness regen moment

[mighty agate]

Yea i saw once psyker that refused to use melee, even surrounded he still used only inferno and he died like alot

[tacit minnow]

many such cases!

half the reason most psyker players are awful at psyker is cause they don't fucking melee

[loud girder]

bbbbut im le mage...

[mint matrix]

arby doesnt teach newer players to dodge

[tacit minnow]

you have infinite stamina!! it's not hard to be safe in melee!!!

[mighty agate]

Why dodge when you can tank everything

[loud girder]

u get bonus dmg after a successful dodge + 1 extra dodge on all weapons and 25% more dodge duration

but u can just ignore it cause u tank

[mint matrix]

and then i watch newer arby players get gunned down by a wall of gunners

[loud girder]

[gray juniper]

Hold up bub. You’re trying to make fire staff sound like the training wheels when we all know smite holds that seat properly
And in a hairy situation the poof poof escape is viable a lot of the time

[paper oriole]

Making fun of Adeptus Arbites
Mandated Edit -Mauling

[gray juniper]

If it’s mixed horde, wow that’s great you can melee heavies, but if you get hit in the back 8 times by walkers while’s tangling with them it’s futile

[tacit minnow]

flame staff is training wheels

[hearty wolf]

Literally don't have a single toughness skill apart from the unavoidable ones on my tree 😭

[tacit minnow]

somehow other classes handle this all the time without the flamestaff 🤔

[loud girder]

wait, are you telling me i can customize my skill treeE???????????????????????

[hearty wolf]

No they don't

[gray juniper]

Self described psyker laster. I’ve heard enough

[hearty wolf]

Didn't you see @dull scroll screenshot

Only psyker can do it

Every other class is trash

Why do you think Psyker can't give golden toughness themselves

It's because they're already too op

[gray juniper]

They really don’t. Bigger health pool=more forgiving tight melee situations

[tacit minnow]

psyker was definately the best class pre ogryn rework, and now its definitely the best class that isnt arbites and ogryn

[hearty wolf]

Psyker is small

What if it was an Ogryn psyker

[gray juniper]

Piddly even

[mighty agate]

I want to knock down enemies with venting shriek like vet with VoC 😦

[gray juniper]

Psyker ogryn? In my Darktide? It’s more likely than you think!

[hearty wolf]

For $149.99

[gray juniper]

Sold

[tacit minnow]

psyker's the best class that teaches you to be the worst player and punishes you accordingly

[hearty wolf]

Oo that's an interesting comment

[mighty agate]

One sneeze on havoc 40 and you gone

[hearty wolf]

I think it's Vet for me actually

[gray juniper]

Bruv. What is “teaches you to be the worst player”?

[tacit minnow]

to be a player without the fundamenal skills needed to succeed in the game

[hearty wolf]

Vets just so horrible that I think I'd rather play a talentless psyker

[gray juniper]

Ok now I’m actually offended

[paper oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-jackson-comendo-picoca-gif-9669437860846841235

[gray juniper]

If you ogryn or zealot mained before this I don’t want to hear it

DISMISSED

[paper oriole]

2/10 rage bait

[gray juniper]

Ngl man vet more or less plays like talentless psyker. Boom ball and shout every once and a while are you two spells

[tacit minnow]

psyker puts so many detours on the road to improvement that take you into dead ends that coddle you from actually having to learn fundamental skills in beginner-intermediate content and leave you unprepared for high level content

[hearty wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-black-man-gets-caught-by-cop-mrnatejackson-king-bach-running-away-intense-gif-8438281170903376217

You trying to catch up to me on Vet

Asthmatic

[tacit minnow]

if you're like a scriers gaze melee psyker tho this doesn't rly apply tho

but most psyker players im referring to use staves and stick to it, or use assail and smite as main weapons

[loud girder]

counter argument: psyker teaches u to avoid dmg better than any other class cause trash mobs can fk ur shit up

[marble crater]

Rage bait used to be believable

[tacit minnow]

this is a counterargument i also subscribe too yes

[gray juniper]

That’s a valid criticism, but fortunately, fortunately… the game puts a solid wall on passing the grade on even higher pub match difficulties by legit killing them for making the mistake of leaning on their training wheels

[hearty wolf]

The Psyker levelling process teaches you how to be dead for 30 levels so surely it only teaches you good habits

[loud girder]

i blame the players refusing to engage with anything that isnt staves and sucking ass over the class itself

[gray juniper]

Like I watched a smite psyker die on first contact in auric recently

[tacit minnow]

but the median psyker player learns to avoid dmg thru range and infinite cleave, ranged stagger, bubble, etc

[loud girder]

people just think mage = ranged like in most other games

[tacit minnow]

you would think so but most psykers i get in party finder are ass and clearly have no fundamentals cause they die if a rager or 3 poxwalkers manages to get on them

[verbal thistle]

And I play chain axe melee psyker and I learned nothing

Learned this actually

[tacit minnow]

my point is that psyker leads you down that path, it's the path of least resistance to a new player, and its also a dead end

[severe folio]

guys whats the dump stat on bolt pistol

[loud girder]

this happened to me yesterday i kept pushing bro until he killed me

[verbal thistle]

Collat

[tacit minnow]

collat

[oak shuttle]

huh interrsting

[severe folio]

interesting

[verbal thistle]

Interesting

[mighty agate]

Interesting

[verbal thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1269791447037640798/1398819646328672366/boomboomb.gif

[tacit minnow]

this game has a lot of developmental dead ends though

[gray juniper]

My guy… I have a strong suspicion those players didn’t start the game as psyker based on how they play, what badges they display and the generic creation of their character. I think you’re seeing other mains hopping on psyker and thinking “ oh this should go the same”

[last shore]

https://tenor.com/view/idiots-idiot-no-intelligent-life-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-gif-12637964375483433713

[gray juniper]

Most pub psykers I see dont seem to be aware of the advantages of the inferno staff

Because it has short range

[hearty wolf]

I dump mobility because i still believe the bolt pistol can collat

[verbal thistle]

Whuh

Collat is stagger

[hearty wolf]

Stagger good

[verbal thistle]

Bp already does stagger

No different between 60-80

[hearty wolf]

I want more stagger

[tacit minnow]

gold toughness, dueling sword, all of ogrrn and arbites, etc

psyker just ends up punishing you the most for learning its bad habits

[gray juniper]

Starting the game as psyker was a harrowing experience of many deaths and trying hard to figure out how to not die. Higher difficulties weren’t even contemplated for a while

[tacit minnow]

cause of how squishy you are

[loud girder]

but there's bad habits u can build on every class
recon vets who refuse to pull out melee
ogryn rooomblers who fold if they run out of rooombling ammo
arbeetus who forget that they cant tank an overhead
zealots who get carried away speeding all over the place

[tacit minnow]

i know for one im taking experience from watching my girlfriend learn the game from the begining as psyker

[oak shuttle]

thats the only thing i dislike about psyker

their squish

[tacit minnow]

i dont disagree
#psyker-class message

[tacit minnow]

assail is absolutely the path of least resistance when learning psyker

[analog verge]

theres good and bad in it

[mighty agate]

True, one walker from behind and im on the ground

[tacit minnow]

it can acarry you through all the lower difficulties and leaves you unprepared for when there's too many enemies to just assail them all away

[analog verge]

i love the fantasy of being a wizard who shatters as soon as a single scab bruiser looks at me

but also i have an enormous sword

[oak shuttle]

yeah ;-;

[gray juniper]

Brother, but that’s a sample size of one

[tacit minnow]

yes, but this sort of thing happens with so many people, it happened to me on different classes

[loud girder]

why doesnt the psyker generate a shield around his body and become tanky
is he fkn stupid

[analog verge]

can confirm ive seen/know several people stumbling into auric with inferno + assail having not learned how to deal with hordes, specials or bosses

[oak shuttle]

other than that, i love my psyker

[tacit minnow]

exactly

[oak shuttle]

i just play abitrator more cuz i run through a horde and am fine

[tacit minnow]

it's not a psyker unique thing mind

it's just pysker's dead ends are particularly nasty and punishing

[analog verge]

lmao, replace regular wall with self shield

[oak shuttle]

huh

[analog verge]

your team will hate you for not bringing bubble but you'll be too busy getting netted to hear their complaints

[oak shuttle]

i did a few aurics yesterday

[tacit minnow]

i fell into a lot of developmental dead ends when learning this game

[loud girder]

casigitatotottor stance psyker edition

[mighty agate]

Undertable but sadly for me everything is boring if it's not a pysker

[tacit minnow]

i dont feel like i properly started being good at the game until like 900 hours lmao

[oak shuttle]

at the first i went óh that's easy'and then it was 20 bosses in the last 20 minutes

[oak shuttle]

ngl, i love arby

[analog verge]

inferno + assail isnt bad, it just so happens to be the most common setup ive seen for psykers who havent learned any fundamentals

[oak shuttle]

'psyker is challenging and fun though

[analog verge]

although whether they use shriek or bubble is variable

[oak shuttle]

i am trying several builts i saw online

[loud girder]

ill never be le good cause i no life for a month then slow down then pick it up again

[oak shuttle]

to see what i will mix and built

[gray juniper]

You know it has a lot to do with the class being built differently from the other classes

[analog verge]

its actively not bad, both are amazing

[loud girder]

no consistent practice = no gains

[analog verge]

thats the rush

[oak shuttle]

i practice like crazy, second day i had the dodging down and my hand was hurting

[gray juniper]

It’s kind of awkward that you have infinite dodge/stamina but huge stun and damage intake

[analog verge]

i dont want to walk through everything, i want to be obliterated if im bad and fail a dodge

[tacit minnow]

i mean yeah but what do you mean by that

[gray juniper]

“Fuck you guys. I’m out!”

[mint matrix]

consignment yard is broken?

[mighty agate]

Self shield melee psyker omg

[gray juniper]

Class based ability counts like stamina, health etc

[analog verge]

the self shield should prevent enemies from approaching within a few feet of you

[sacred surge]

I would love that

[analog verge]

and projectiles of any kind

and also walking towards enemies should push them back

[mint matrix]

I've gotten three mission aborts in a row trying to play a consignment yard pox gas special event mission

[verbal thistle]

Pox gas is bugged rn

Will always crash the mission

Do not play

I think it's the combo of gas and even that crashes it

[oak shuttle]

which one is that again?

[tacit minnow]

yeah but im not sure i see your point

[gray juniper]

It’s strong is some areas by far yes?

But those areas it’s strong in you’d intuitively expect synergy with related traits compared to most games

Like some staffs themselves are ass or have gaps in use/defense that you have to become accustomed to

[verbal thistle]

Gassy mission condition

Green gas

[gray juniper]

But psyker isn’t the melee champ overall because the tree doesn’t have it built in like zealot does

[tacit minnow]

yeah

the strength of psyker's ranged options with staves combined with the low melee support in tree + punishing melee interactions due to squishyness lead many psyker players to avoid melee altogether

rather than learning to melee well without the saftey nets other classes have

[gray juniper]

You can melee your ass off. I thought it was the point of the game for a while, but you’ll just get boxed in after enemy build up due to spawn rates on higher difficulties. No weapon or talents would allow melee alone to carry you through on psyker

[oak shuttle]

ahh shit man

[tacit minnow]

in theory or in expectation of the average player going through the learning curve?

[oak shuttle]

i like that one

[verbal thistle]

Should be working fine outside of event maps

But I don't play normal board so I can't be 100% sure

[gray juniper]

Psyker is about balance between the two modes of attack more than other classes and it has a drastic change between staff psyker and gunker

All classes have to learn the balance on ranged & melee play in a round ofc

[verbal thistle]

I think the balance between ranged and melee is the player not the class

[tacit minnow]

nah gonna have to disagree there, pysker allows you to ingore melee more than any other class in the game, there's a reason most common psykers have tons of ranged damage and barely any melee damage

[verbal thistle]

I play 99% melee on all classes

[gray juniper]

But the shift is more lopsided for psyker play. Sometimes staff heavy is proper. Most people especially pubs probably are still trying to find the sweet spot

[tacit minnow]

its the only class with ranged infinite ammo

[gray juniper]

I came here because I was struggling with furthering gameplay ability and wanted to find quality teams

[last shore]

Helbore and vet says hi

[tacit minnow]

now i will grant you, psyekr is extremely fun when you do a balnce of melee and ranged

and i think overall stronger for most players

[last shore]

Is that why I see perma dead psykers a lot

[tacit minnow]

some people really just dif with the trauma and inferno, like orjan

[tacit minnow]

i meant, "if they learned to melee well"

[gray juniper]

Yea that sounds like a win-win at first. Then you consider vet/zealot/ogryn get to reload whenever they want. The quell mechanic causes a different dynamic. It’s a lot more to do with timing rather

[last shore]

You said most players

Most players are dogshit at the game

No matter what class

[hearty wolf]

sorry

[tacit minnow]

yes i misspoke

[tacit minnow]

agreed

[tacit minnow]

are you trying to suggest that having to quell peril is a bigger downside than having to reload

[gray juniper]

Overall it’s the more prudent choice of strategy and that’s just the way it is
All classes could benefit from learning to keep a perimeter up from the enemy instead of wading in a mosh pit

[vestal trench]

doing havoc on psyker after a week of auric-damnation zealot was a rude awakening lmfao

i still did fine but i died to 2 poxwalker hits 💀

[tacit minnow]

yeah even helbore vet is benefited greatly from having solid melee fundamentals

[gray juniper]

If you have a small base health pool, the probability of losing is much higher in close combat than ranged if an unexpected variable comes up

[gray juniper]

Vet and psyker benefit from having melee combat end quickly and getting back to ranged

[pine shore]

which las pistol is better?

[verbal thistle]

2

[gray juniper]

I’ve seen you play. Most people will definitely never be you lol

Myself included

[verbal thistle]

Plenty of people who at my skill level, yes it took a lot of time and skill but it's also a play style of melee rushing

I started psyker by playing melee

My 1st 700 levels was melee psyker

[hearty wolf]

same with my first 50 levels

(I'm level 50)

[gray juniper]

No, I’m saying you can’t step into psyker and play it the same exact way treating it like a simple reload. There are upsides like you can basically run away and quelling happens for you, but there’s major downsides, like you can’t go ranged even once until quell or mis-press a button without dying

[mint matrix]

you can quell while sliding

[pine shore]

This good?
https://i.vgy.me/Euy2T7.png

[mint matrix]

also two of three psyker abilities quells perils

[pine shore]

thanks

[pine shore]

When you are out of ammo, you can't shoot at all until you fully reload. Quelling for 0.2 seconds is enough to cast spells again

Quelling is just better

[mint matrix]

^

[gray juniper]

Legitimate answer, but it’s more complicated for console players (me) and it takes practice to commit that to muscle memory/execute

[mint matrix]

its part of learning psyker tbh

[pine shore]

Darktide on console sounds so miserable

[mint matrix]

slide quelling lets you stay mobile

[gray juniper]

It’s definitely not .2 seconds

[pine shore]

It is

[gray juniper]

For a primary attack alone yea

[pine shore]

Or about .2

It depends on your blitz and staff, but you can cast at 100 or slightly bellow 100 and not explode

brain burst as long as you start below like 97%, you are safe

purg will never explode you once you start purging

[gray juniper]

That doesn’t seem like wise practice to do offhand

[pine shore]

High peril is good

[mint matrix]

high peril = more damage

[pine shore]

Low peril is a sign of a weak psyker

High peril = more toughness, more damage, more trd, more crits

Depending on your talents and blesses

You gotta edge the warp

[gray juniper]

So is the typical player going to have his spreadsheet open with the cast thresholds as they max peril-tap quell repeatedly? No

[pine shore]

no

You just remember them

[gray juniper]

Which are they?

[pine shore]

It's trivial once you play 2 games with this staff

I just told you

[gray juniper]

No you didn’t tho

[pine shore]

but I did

[tacit minnow]

you tap quell and then you do another staff attack and then you tap quell and you do another staff attack

[analog verge]

i dont use any of that, i just cast and quickly press quell and then i can cast again

[gray juniper]

Which numbers one which staves?

[pine shore]

You don't explode if the attack brings you over 100, you only explode if you cast while already at a 100

That's it

[analog verge]

i just look and if im below 100 i cast again, its worked out for me

[pine shore]

The only exceptions are brain burst and purgatus

Which I already explained

That's it

you just gotta get used to the staves peril generation and you just quell for the exact same amount of time between casts, it's muscle memory

[gray juniper]

That’s definitely not the case though

[analog verge]

im not gonna argue that a new player might not know this but it isnt complicated

[gray juniper]

I’ve followed this advice in game and blew up

[pine shore]

Skill issue

[gray juniper]

Dork

[pine shore]

anyway, edging the warp and having high peril is how you do the most damage and die the least from enemies

[analog verge]

with surge staff specifically theres some input staggering thing which makes it so i accidentally cast twice sometimes and end up blowing myself up but thats greed

[pine shore]

Yup

[gray juniper]

Yea and casting certain ways just before 100% can send you over the edge. It varies by staff and I know this because I paid the price for it

[pine shore]

I recently played with trauma staff and forgot to use Empyric resolve. I exploded like 5 times because of muscle memory

I just didn't quell enough, I was not used to that peril generation

[analog verge]

testing it with surge staff and now i cant get it to do the double cast thing

[queen fog]

ill admit ive never used empyric resolve before

[analog verge]

im just tapping R once and i get to cast again

[queen fog]

always assumed it was a gunker exclusive to keep the gaze going as long as possible

[pine shore]

This feels like the wrongest use of empyric resolve possible

[analog verge]

its too far off the path to take for scriers most of the time

[queen fog]

its the only thing i can think of to slap it on considering its less toughness generated

[pine shore]

You kill your toughness gen for useless scriers uptime which is already basically infinite with by crack of bone

[queen fog]

for the sake of more peril usage

[pine shore]

It free warp resistance with shield

Without shield it's a bit more complicated

[queen fog]

that said complexity is why i havent touched it

[pine shore]

And it feels required to use fire trauma efficiently

[queen fog]

any perk that is a negative in someway is too much brainpower for me

[pine shore]

It's a perk that sometimes is a straight up downgrade

[analog verge]

its somewhat interesting to me since most talents dont have tradeoffs

but i dont do enough soulblaze builds to make use of it

[pine shore]

There's only like 3 talents in the game with a negative

[analog verge]

theres deadshot over on vet

[queen fog]

all with double edged swords for their effects

[analog verge]

but i cant recall what else

[queen fog]

shout res

[analog verge]

oh yeah

[pine shore]

yes, also deadshot and ogryn's version of deadshot

also perfectionist and only in death does duty end

So that makes it 5

[mint matrix]

that vet stealth modifier

that increases cd for 2 charges

[pine shore]

6

[analog verge]

fittingly vet and zealot both get 2

[queen fog]

psyker only gets 1, bummer

[analog verge]

psyker d oesnt suffer enough

every path should make you take at least one talent with a negative

[queen fog]

true, really show that unsanctioned side of the warp

[gray juniper]

Remember when the point of games was fun?

[analog verge]

fun shouldnt exist

psyker deserves less

[gray juniper]

Maybe I’m the only one

Or doesn’t

[analog verge]

no one is going to seriously argue that psyker needs a nerf anyway

at least not in whole

[gray juniper]

I wouldn’t want to see any class take a hit right now

[verbal thistle]

Erm

[analog verge]

you dont exist

[verbal thistle]

😔

[pine shore]

Psyker could use some talents being moved but that's it

[gray juniper]

Arbites gets their humble pie higher up

[pine shore]

And please nerf blaze away for purg

it's a dogshit talent

[analog verge]

(they wont seriously argue it because they'll get murdered, with hammers)

[pine shore]

Cut the values on it in half

[mint matrix]

huh?

[analog verge]

why, souldrinker, why?

[pine shore]

exactly

[pine shore]

It's instant 40% strength

Make it, like, 20% and even then it's gonna be strong

[mint matrix]

oh Iw as wondering why you were calling it bad

LOL

[pine shore]

I literally said nerf

[mint matrix]

[gray juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/ups-upsi-gif-23986483

[marble crater]

You also called it a talent when it's a blessing, your words have no meaning

[analog verge]

this discord uses talent/perk/boon/buff/blessing interchangeably

theres like six people who consistently use the correct one

(and they're nerds)

[marble crater]

Well they shouldn't, as 3 of those are in the game and they are different things

[upper sun]

its not actually six people

[quartz barn]

i have yet to see someone say boon outside of vt2 chaos wastes

[analog verge]

and psykers shouldnt blow themselves over ledges but it happens anyway

[quartz barn]

also yes they should

[mental rock]

I've never seen someone use boon to describe anything in dt

[quartz barn]

barrel launch is tech

[analog verge]

look harder then

stay hard

[verbal thistle]

Guh?

[strong gulch]

I haven't seen boon used in my particular bubble of DT discord, but since they are a thing in VT2 I can totally see it being used sometimes.

[shrewd comet]

whats a good knife perk/blessing combo?

and mark i guess

[verbal thistle]

Either mark works, precog + ripsote/uncanny

[radiant frigate]

am i on that list

[analog verge]

no sorry you were never real

[radiant frigate]

that's alright, life is easier as a fictional character anyway

[marble crater]

Depends

[hearty wolf]

Kat's on my list

[marble crater]

List of what

[pale prairie]

So I have noticed people seem to really strongly prefer riposte/precognition. Does it really proc that often when dodging in the horde or is the game really strict about what counts towards procing it?

[tacit minnow]

this would be mindlessly busted if it was on the other side of the tree

[marble crater]

Prefer it over what?

[marble crater]

Wouldn't, because it's a bad talent

[pale prairie]

They seem to be rated higher than say Wrath or Shred

[tacit minnow]

more crit for trauma staff or inferno soulblaze build would be good

[marble crater]

Preferred over Shred because you lose the stacks, if you miss, and Wrath is not needed I guess when they already have Warpsplitting

[tacit minnow]

the knives dont get wrath for one

on the greatsword you always take wrath

[jovial juniper]

Wrath is just shit anyways

[pale prairie]

Didn’t mention the weapon so just assume I am talking about a weapon that has access to it

[plucky flax]

Nein.

[pale prairie]

FGS to be more specific what are the preferred blessings?

[plucky flax]

I use shred unstable.

[pale prairie]

Are you using the special attack spam to maintain peril?

[plucky flax]

No. Assails.

[marble crater]

Sure, but it doesn't refresh, so you always have to wait until its over and apply it again and you need to kill with soulblaze. There is a crit talent that's just always active. So if you still have to go out of your way to get it, not worth

[pale prairie]

Ahhh

[tacit minnow]

you dont need to kill with soulblaze, a target affected by your soulblaze just needs to die to anything

which means it doesn't really matter that it cant be refreshed, cause you'll probnably get it immediately during combat

[marble crater]

Still matters for the toughness, so it's slightly better than I thought, but still not worth a point if it's out of the way

[strong gulch]

There's an issue where non-SB kills only sometimes count.

[ripe obsidian]

I'm surprised I am considered a people.

[strong gulch]

poople

[ripe obsidian]

Rude. >:(

[strong gulch]

yes

[marble crater]

I will allow it

[ripe obsidian]

@sturdy reef What's your cursed scrier's gaze purgatus build? I feel like suffering.

[strong gulch]

SG staff runs let's go

[ripe obsidian]

This is the best/worst I have come up with. I know Souldrinker is bad, but I'm critmaxxxxxing.

[gray juniper]

Yea it would be a joke, but question is, why on the opposite side of the tree so far away that it’s mostly useless except gunker niches?

[pale prairie]

See this is why they call us “liabilities”

[ripe obsidian]

I see to be capping at 67.5% crit chance on Inferno.

[pale prairie]

meanwhile @ripe obsidian builds

[ripe obsidian]

It is not a good build. But it is a funny build.

[marble crater]

🤮

[pale prairie]

It’s pretty funny

Is the idea to do a few pumps then go melee with SG or go SG and somehow juggle the Purgatus pumps

[warm glade]

Does Terrifying barrage work only on staff left click? it says on kill but doesnt seem to work on right click

[weary idol]

It has an EXTREMELY short range, and fun fact

All melee enemies are immune to suppression

[gray juniper]

Holy shit

[warm glade]

it has 12m compared to others that are 8 and do work

[gray juniper]

Scier zealot

[warm glade]

I went to psykanium and 8m are large enough

and

[ripe obsidian]

Other fun fact, at least for Inferno: it already suppresses everything.

[strong gulch]

Not just LMB / primary. Infested are immune, but in general terrible barrage doesn't provide a meaningful difference between having it and not having it on staves because they already have a lot of suppression and stagger.

[gray juniper]

Let us know how often the cooldown is for fury of the psyker scriers gaze on that build

[ripe obsidian]

Bask in it.

[strong gulch]

blazing spirit sword after SG purg

[ripe obsidian]

https://tenor.com/view/i-hate-this-data-tng-star-trek-the-next-generation-gif-19976541

[gray juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/easter-bunny-gun-shooting-creepy-bunny-gif-16861456

[marble crater]

I noticed you called Terrifying Barrage by it's more accurate name

[strong gulch]

yes

[marble crater]

[gray juniper]

@ripe obsidian what gun/staff with this?

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno.

As I mentioned, this is not meant to be a good build

[gray juniper]

I appreciate the reiteration. But I’m curious how often it will crit after all

[ripe obsidian]

I was maxing out at 67.5% with SG up.

Started at 2%. How low will the warp resist stay, I wonder?

[strong gulch]

This reminds me. I should roll a new purg for shriek havocs.

[ripe obsidian]

I also got one that started at 6%, but I derped and held the empower button too long

[marble crater]

[steady needle]

anyone here can do malleus monstrum with me? I will ofc help you back

[pale prairie]

Damn I want that warp resistance on my FGS so bad

[ripe obsidian]

Lowest I have on an FGS is 41%

[jovial juniper]

Fun fact
Staves M1 has 10 suppression meaning that they can already suppress what can be suppressed
Inferno M1 has 5 suppression though, but don't worry, M2 has 15 on a huge cone in front of you

Which makes it so that Terrible Barrage is terrible

[weary idol]

god I wish suppression was as good on actual guns as it was on the staves

[pale prairie]

I managed a 40 the other day but now seeing this I gotta go gambling again

[warm glade]

what about elektrokinetic?

[strong gulch]

Apparently I have a 25 WR.

Got 33 and 36 on another character.

[ripe obsidian]

Despicable

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-infinity-war-gamora-what-did-it-cost-gif-14001403

[ornate hamlet]

Far as I remember, terrifying barrage is so terrible that it's a fraction of a second of suppression

[strong gulch]

I don't remember. 😭

[pale prairie]

Oh great RNG of the obese fish I have seen what you have done for others! When will you bless me!?!

[ornate hamlet]

Now, I disclaim: I'm a huge fan of interrupts in this game and I treasure skills like infiltrate for their area suppression, as well as simple things like using ranged weapons to stagger enemies to open space for melee

But terrifying barrage fights for a spot with so much good shit

[strong gulch]

The lowest WR force weapon I have with everything else maxed is 18.

[strong gulch]

Honestly, discord might manifest.

[ornate hamlet]

It's useful on some weapons that do roll it, but it's also a case of "pick something else and you'll find less situations where you do feel the need for terrifying barrage"

The best CC is killing

[pale prairie]

Is it easy to maintain uptime on riposte with just occasional hit dodge button in swarm or do you need to hear the sound queue/very intentionally side dodge the crusher swing?

[ornate hamlet]

It's relatively easy

But riposte also starts lagging behind the better you are at killing enemies

[ripe obsidian]

just going by Kuli's guide, it's 30 suppression, which is 2.5-3 seconds on basic shooters. The math is too complicated for me to want to figure it out for elites. Which is to say, it is any amount of math at all.

[gray juniper]

Yes if you’re willing to give me a moment

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-403140411062093680

[ornate hamlet]

There are times when I straight up don't see riposte proccing while I'm killing hordes because I keep pushing and dodging to spam assail

[pale prairie]

See this is what I am wondering

[ripe obsidian]

That must've been a shop special. Even starting at 0, you end up at like 25-35

[ornate hamlet]

It might be some buff to it, because I remember enemies cowering and almost immediately going back to attacking

[ornate hamlet]

It's useful most of the time, fortunately

[pale prairie]

HAX CONFIRMED

[ornate hamlet]

The alternative to riposte is shred, which uhhh...

[strong gulch]

I bought it as a grey.
https://youtu.be/af6kZ9b6PTE

[ornate hamlet]

Loses stacks when hitting a corpse or swinging at the air

[pale prairie]

Yeah I am just trying to decide between shred and riposte and it’s very hard for me to tell

[marble crater]

Do you still need help?

[ornate hamlet]

Shred is not my favorite blessing

[ripe obsidian]

Fascinating. I have never been able to get something so low.

[pale prairie]

Yeah I’ve seen it get dunked on in here

[ornate hamlet]

Now what I can say is

I don't remember if shred is per swing or per hit

I vaguely recall some blessings being per hit and stacking really fast in the past

[pale prairie]

It’s per hit

[strong gulch]

Pick either when it comes to shred or riposte.

[ripe obsidian]

I think the way the upgrade math works is there are like 8 points per rank up spread across the modifiers. So if 2 things are <80 and the rest are 80, then those 2 things each get 4. So if you get a staff that's like all 60s and a 0 for warp resist, it should end up being super low

[ornate hamlet]

Does sound like it stacks fast on hordes then

[pale prairie]

But you can hit multiple dudes with one swing of FGS

[ornate hamlet]

Slower on big beefy guys

[pale prairie]

Pretty much

[strong gulch]

If you can't keep agro or the enemy is CCed, shred is your friend.

If you tend to miss or drop stacks on dead enemies, pick the other one.

[ornate hamlet]

Since I use Keep Swinging, I don't really have much of a mind to measure whether my attacks will hit or not

[pale prairie]

Fair

[pale prairie]

This is gonna make me seem dumb but…you’re not referencing a talent or blessing are you?

[strong gulch]

mod

[ornate hamlet]

You're not dumb for asking a question when in doubt

Also yeah, funny mod for people who want to reach old age without carpal tunnel

[ripe obsidian]

Have you checked out Skitarius? It's the updated version

[ornate hamlet]

I did, but I didn't really like it

The ranged attack is buggy on hipfire

For some reason works fine on ADS

[ripe obsidian]

Ah. True.

It was okay until recently, I believe.

But alas.

[ornate hamlet]

I remember Keep Swinging sometimes got wacky if I got disabled by something and had to swap weapons twice to get it to work again, but for some reason it seems to work fine now

[ripe obsidian]

For the love of gambling, I just got a 34% FGS

[ornate hamlet]

gamba desu

[strong gulch]

congrats!!

[ripe obsidian]

I have like 18m dockets with no other use for them

[strong gulch]

😭

[ornate hamlet]

cold staff

[strong gulch]

for science I empowered it

2 to 30

[ornate hamlet]

warm staff

[ripe obsidian]

Question: if quelling in Havoc is faster by spamming Quell instead of holding, why is WR the dump stat? It feels like there are situations where slightly more WR would be better. Like, on my Shriek build, without ER, I think I get back to 70+ peril more or less instantly after shrieking

Though 60 versus 80 WR is only like a 1% difference for a fully charged M2, so it hardly matters

[strong gulch]

Do some runs with a different dump.

See if any patterns emerge.

[marble crater]

🤮

[marble crater]

🤮

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-ridiculous-frustrated-irritated-too-much-overwhelmed-gif-15173370

[sturdy reef]

it does more damage than you think. You basically have 100% uptime

enjoy

[strong gulch]

Burn and cloud have to high. Quelling needs help in high havoc unless you always have SG up (including warp unbound). So that leaves damage and WR. Blaze away makes direct damage impactful.

So the dump still seems like WR.

I do personally fine that I need ER in high havoc.

[ripe obsidian]

I try not to hold the quell button in high havoc

[sturdy reef]

exaaaactly

[ripe obsidian]

It's like 80% slower because >:(

[sturdy reef]

who cares about quell nerf in h40

[ripe obsidian]

But spamming R > R > R is fine

[sturdy reef]

when you want to be at 100% peril

if only I could fit the dreaded souldrinker

mebbe when psyker gets its shitty operative modifier nodes consolidated

[ripe obsidian]

It looks like 60 vs 80 WR is about 11% less peril gen overall

For everything but charging M2. That's only 5% less

[sturdy reef]

I still dump WR

with that build

[ripe obsidian]

I'm thinking about my Shriek build now

[sturdy reef]

oo

[ripe obsidian]

And how I end up not getting Shriek back up quickly enough and having to quell, which is DPS loss. >:(

[hearty wolf]

Have you considered blowing up

[strong gulch]

yes

[hearty wolf]

What happens when you blow up with crystalline will

Reset back to 0 yea?

[ripe obsidian]

I can find out

[hearty wolf]

If so

Run wounds

Anytime you don't have shriek, just blow up instead

[ripe obsidian]

Quell Speed also means regular decay is faster, which I don't really want.

[strong gulch]

You go to 0 peril and the animation is a lot shorter.

[hearty wolf]

:o

Crystalline boomies

[maiden tusk]

Finally, I got a Force Sword that has the proper dump stat.

[strong gulch]

Hold on, the CW explode animation seems even shorter than it used to be.

[maiden tusk]

I can stop trying to look for Force Swords now.

[ripe obsidian]

"Also reduces the overall time of the self-explosion from 3s to 1.13s."

[strong gulch]

oh thanks

no wait

I mean even shorter than on launch

before WU fix

[ripe obsidian]

I can look at the code

[strong gulch]

CW shortened the animation before but now it feels even shorter.

I don't play with the talent often. So my memory could just be bad.

[ripe obsidian]

    class_name = "buff",
    predicted = false,
    stat_buffs = {
        [stat_buffs.overheat_explosion_speed_modifier] = 1.65,
    },
}```

overheat_explosion_speed_modifier = "additive_multiplier",

[tacit minnow]

why the finesse scriers node on an inferno build

[ripe obsidian]

I think that means the explosion happens at 165% speed?

[strong gulch]

no clue

i am code illiterate

[ripe obsidian]

Code with no comments is hard for many people. I am a novice when it comes to coding, tbh.

I just submitted my first PR ever on github last week, ha. Current job demands coding.

[strong gulch]

[ripe obsidian]

        anim_end_event = "explode_finished",
        anim_event = "explode_warp_start",
        death_on_explosion = true,
        kind = "overload_explosion",
        overload_type = "warp_charge",
        total_time = 3,
        timeline_anims = {
            [0.933] = {
                anim_event_1p = "explode_warp_end",
                anim_event_3p = "explode_warp_end",

...

time_scale_stat_buffs = {
            buff_stat_buffs.overheat_explosion_speed_modifier,
        },```

this is the base code for headsplosion. 3 seconds, animations every... 0.933 seconds? I think?

It looks like Crystalline Will uses the same stat buff type as attack speed increases.

[spice oar]

Does this mean headsplosion wound psyker is even more viable 🗣️

[mighty agate]

yes

[gray juniper]

Martyrdom psyker coming this fall

[ripe obsidian]

I am not sure how it's getting to 1.13s with the code I have found. But it's definitely not just a 65% rate increase. Maybe it's inverse? Like, 1.5 increase would be a 50% decrease in animation time? But a 65% decrease would be 1.05, not 1.13.

[sturdy reef]

Because the other one hurts my peril. Plus I swap to FS with uncanny so it helps there

[ripe obsidian]

Why the finesse/headshot node in SG?

[jovial juniper]

Because Anchor is dogshit

[sturdy reef]

Yes

[jovial juniper]

Like you could say -peril good and shit for this specific build

[strong gulch]

purg

[jovial juniper]

Except Anchor is just dogshit

[strong gulch]

KF precog gaming

[sturdy reef]

You will be swapping to melee for bosses and cara anyway

May as well take the finesse

Than something that harms you by limiting peril gen

[ripe obsidian]

Fair

[tacit minnow]

@hearty wolf havoc?

[gray juniper]

You’re my anchor

[ornate hamlet]

hot

I mean cute

[hearty wolf]

Ah FUCK

I forgor

I'll finish work earlier tomorrow though since working from home

We do then

[tacit minnow]

no that's a no for today?

[hearty wolf]

Yesh sos

I was gaming for like 5h then decided to hop off and go eep 😭

[maiden tusk]

What's the dump stat for staves? Is it the same as Force Swords?

[analog verge]

yes, warp resistance

[strong gulch]

yes

[maiden tusk]

Alrighty, sweet. Thanks.

[strong gulch]

VS dumps blast radius

[analog verge]

although voidstrike i think dumps blast radius

[jovial juniper]

Your anchor here is actually peak

[strong gulch]

but if you don't care just dump WR on all of them

[ripe obsidian]

I was today years old when I realized the amount you quell per tick is based on your peril when you started quelling.

[strong gulch]

you gaming?

[ripe obsidian]

Mostly I am futzing around with WR vs Quell as a dump stat while I wait for my workday to end

[upper sun]

you guys gaming?

[strong gulch]

Six is working. I can game. Go die in the event.

[jovial juniper]

Gaming guys you

[upper sun]

i can do one before bed

[ripe obsidian]

Quell as a dump stat adds 2 seconds to passive quell from 100 > 0, and 0.7 from active quell 100 > 0. At least in H40 conditions.

9.5ish vs 11.5ish, and 2.7ish versus 3.4ish

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/give-me-you-gif-18410154

[strong gulch]

kk

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/guy-this-orange-is-ginemanasaurus-what-do-you-say-gigantasaurus-jamenas-gif-15447274929786956947

[strong gulch]

locking down my tabs

[upper sun]

ur options are hab dreyko and baross

i think baross is gonna be harder

[strong gulch]

hab seems fine

[upper sun]

i dont mind i like both

[strong gulch]

been longer since I played that one

[upper sun]

🚬 anything except... carnival....

warren my behated

worst end event

big ass arena and nothing happens

[strong gulch]

book

[upper sun]

yea were wiping

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, it looks like dumping WR is better for peril edging, weirdly enough.

The loss of quell % with Quell Speed dump is enough that 2 ticks of quell followed by 2 45% charges of Purgatus = headsplosion

Whereas the same with WR dump is safe

It's even safe on my 45% WR staff. Weird that Quell Speed is that much more impactful than WR.

[thorn cedar]

Hmmmm

[winged lotus]

I've just started playing psyker. It's the last class I need to max out. But I'm finding it rlly difficult to play. I see most builds on darktide.gameslantern use the equinox force staff but I absolutely loathe it. Is it rlly that important to be a part of every top build on that site?

[mighty agate]

Is this Salamanders home world?

[jovial juniper]

Which equinox though

Equinox VoidSTRIKE eh very ok

Equinox voidBLAST pretty good

[ripe obsidian]

Both suck before hitting level 30 and maxing their stats.

Psyker staves just feel bad pre-30

[fathom adder]

Nowadays if you're sitting on a big pile of resources and leveling a new character you can max out their gear weapons from the get-go

If you can't do that I'd just use Assail and whatever is the best melee you currently have, while leveling

[fathom adder]

Should also point out that Gameslantern is full of terrible builds (anyone can post one, and even if it comes with a video, a good player can make most content look easy even with a terrible build), or just out of date builds. As slow as Fatshark is, the game is still very different from how it was a year ago, let alone 2 or 3

[strong gulch]

@upper sun gg

[upper sun]

@strong gulch gg

[strong gulch]

why game

why??

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/pay-respects-press-f-call-of-duty-respect-press-x-gif-22309724

[upper sun]

if that cause me to get shot by the sniper

ngl

i would have crashed out slightly

[strong gulch]

😭

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-imma-do-my-own-thing-miles-morales-spider-man-spider-man-across-the-spider-verse-ill-do-it-my-way-gif-12471351374972075237

[pale prairie]

Ohhh so thats how you do solo without the mod

[upper sun]

yes kill team

[gray juniper]

I am going to crash out today

Ty tato for emotional support

[tepid flame]

which staff is good for boss damage would yall say?

[ripe obsidian]

None are great. Inferno w/ Unyielding is the best in my experience, then EK.

[ornate hamlet]

I cast 9mm parabellum 🪄

[gray juniper]

I too use the psyker ribbon on vet character

[radiant frigate]

silly bugger behaviour

[warm glade]

You slap unyielding on ek and thats it? Ill have to give that a go

[cursive thorn]

when are we getting this

[ripe obsidian]

Nah, I do Flak/Maniac on EK. Unyielding on Inferno

[radiant frigate]

yes but the question was about boss damage

[topaz lichen]

can the free brainburst trigger from a brainburst?

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[topaz lichen]

[radiant frigate]

double headsplosion upon ye

[topaz lichen]

can it trigger if they die from the first one and waste it?

[weary idol]

no

[warm glade]

yeah haha

[warm glade]

if you have the spread soulblaze yea

the DoT triggers it

[warm glade]

Well intended to reply to this but replied to the other

[static sonnet]

Just ran a mission with a level 1100+ Smyker

[tidal scaffold]

do they not play any other characters?

[merry sinew]

Psyker was my 1st char and I levelled off of assail. The right click aimed variant generates 25% peril, but it's very lethal against unarmoured enemies. Pick up the warp splitting node for extra cleave and run scriers gaze with warp unbound so you can throw them 24/7. Pair it with empowered psionics when you get enough points to invest into keystones. In games, hug your nearest ogryn or arbitrator and let them deal with anything armored. Use the force great sword for trash mobs and hold block and dodge liberally against all bosses. I literally never touched my ranged weapon until I was level 30.

[ripe obsidian]

I answered that question. D:

[ripe obsidian]

Regular BB can also cause KF without needing the DoT to pop it.

"If not on cooldown and while below 97% true peril, grants a 10% chance to trigger Brain Rupture on any of Psyker's damaging attacks, including Brain Rupture itself and Soulblaze damage ticks, against enemies that have the elite, special, or monster tag (Captains/Twins have none of these tags and therefore are no valid targets). Also procs on Warp Rupture, does not proc when hitting Bulwark shield."

[ionic frost]

I wish Kinetic Flayer had a "smart" targeting for poxbursters...so it's impossible to damage teammates with it. =)

That's all...

Nothing worse than a force-sword push-attack or a left-click flame staff triggering Kinetic Flayer to hurt yourself/teammates... =(

It's like Fatshark wants more smite psykers =)

Even other staves...since you can can knock back a jumping poxburster with any staff's primary attack.

If it doesn't kill it.

[warm glade]

I just stop doing anything with staff when I hear burster

if safe distance i burst it, if not I let team push it

[woeful sigil]

does anyone know if that perk that gives toughness on soul flame kill gives that toughness if that enemy dies to something other than soul burn while on fire

[ornate hamlet]

A real cheeky lad, if you will

[gray juniper]

No but sometimes it can help by trigger early and they die so you don’t waste time with a full charge

[weary idol]

they just have to be on fire but it can only proc once every 5 seconds

[woeful sigil]

good to know

[proper cypress]

isnt it 5 seconds only for crit boost and toughness you get for every kill?

[ripe obsidian]

Crit chance can. Soulblaze toughness is every kill.

"Whenever an enemy who is currently affected by Psyker's Soulblaze dies to anything, does two things:

(1) Grants 5% additional crit chance to all attacks that can crit for 5s; cannot be refreshed during active duration.

(2) Replenishes 5% of maximum toughness; procs on every valid enemy death.

This talent's effects have no range limit."

[strong gulch]

This reaper in the dark is scary.

[unborn mist]

hey look guys, i did it! Now i can finally retire! 🤣

[static sonnet]

I wish staffs had cool special actions

[strong gulch]

@lethal lagoon @split lance

I've done it.

I have the talent. @marble crater @ripe obsidian

[sturdy reef]

tell me how the no quell build goes in h40 @ripe obsidian

[strong gulch]

I've wanted to try no quell EK LMB in h40.

quelling is canceled

[restive slate]

You use the Quell on Weakspot blessing?

[fresh reef]

Surge + quell on weakspot EK is kinda bonkers

Especially with a SG DD build

[ripe obsidian]

I didn't try it. I did more testing, and 60 quell speed is worse than 45 warp resist.

[unborn mist]

i used to use voidstrike with quell on weakspot.... would wipe out entire hordes w/o needing to stop

back when it was easy to line th em up lol

[potent echo]

I never thought about it but does this include yourself

[strong gulch]

It will be on all future builds for this character. Level 13ish now.

[potent echo]

Does it give toughness if you go down

[strong gulch]

I will find out tomorrow.

[umbral atlas]

god I am having such a bad day I'm bumping myself down to heresy just to finish my melk missions and be done with it

I think I'm losing like three missions per every win

and then I get disconnected 2/3 through my heresy mission

feelin' fine

[hushed pike]

Mmm trying to make a psyker build I like is annoying lol

[plucky flax]

Just vibe an play it anyway.

[hushed pike]

Ehh I'm experimenting

Took a melee heavy build off gameslantern and made some changes

I like melee crit psyker, but also I recognize bubble is goated.

So I ripped off scier's for bubble and swapped out the ranged for electrokinetic..

[plucky flax]

Sounds like a worse bubble knight.

[hushed pike]

What's the bubble knight hm?

I like my force greatsword with crits

[plucky flax]

It's havoc build though. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ebacfec-9eb8-4f84-b139-4e3cca58dcfb/bubble-knight-melee-havoc-40

[hushed pike]

Honestly mines pretty similar but Brain Burst instead of assail.

And electrokinetic instead of recon lasgun

[dull scroll]

that almost sounds like Dom's infinite gaze EK build

[deft stump]

UnsanctionedPsyker carrying?

[plucky flax]

Nein.

[deft stump]

I don't mean now, lul. In general.

[plucky flax]

I said nein.

[deft stump]

WDYM?

[plucky flax]

[umbral atlas]

nein is german for no

[plucky flax]

Yes.

[umbral atlas]

No, ja

[ripe obsidian]

No, no. Not yes.

[plucky flax]

[deft stump]

I know that part.

[plucky flax]

Then why confused?

WDYM WHAT DO YOU MEAN?>!!?

[deft stump]

UnsanctionedPsyker carrying is normal, isn't it?

[plucky flax]

Nein.

I don't even know who that is.

[deft stump]

Chaos carrying is normal anyway.

[cosmic spruce]

what are good guns for psycker?

[plucky flax]

Wrong.

[deft stump]

[hushed pike]

Lemme find it

I just want a psyker build that leverages it's fun melee ability 🤔

[dull scroll]

what difficulty you planning to play it at?

[hushed pike]

Eh maybe havoc.

Psyker ain't my main class, but blaze force greatsword one of my favorite melees

[dull scroll]

if havoc use that bubble knight thing Chaos linked you

[hushed pike]

Eh that bubble night uses an Accatran and I really don't care for recon on psyker

[dull scroll]

then switch it to whatever you want

[hushed pike]

EK?

[dull scroll]

EK is fine, if you like it

[hushed pike]

Yeah I like EK when the mood arises

[dull scroll]

key thing is to have the bubble

[hushed pike]

Ofc lol, I played a lot of bubble knight when bubble first came out

Bubble Knight with infinite smite was braindead fun

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/wattsthesafeword-wts-pupamp-uncomfortable-face-gif-21851966

[hushed pike]

Listen it was

Infinite empowered psionics bug was funny for the short time it lived.

[radiant frigate]

member when EP supercharged surge staff to 2-shot crushers because it's a type of smite

[plucky flax]

Keep in mind you won't have permanent ee uptime like recon if you use staff

When there's still ammo in the clip anyway.

[radiant frigate]

also epic mettle toughness

point reconlas at bad guys -> pull trigger -> full refresh

plus you're zippy now

now that is gaming

[restive slate]

Do you usually run BB with reconlas build?

[plucky flax]

No

Need assail for ammo efficiency

You can path through smite or bb for psykenetic aura i guess

But you'd have to use way more ammo for shooters.

[restive slate]

I assume you need a melee with armour pen then

[plucky flax]

Fgs

[sturdy reef]

obscurus or fgs

or the pee pee sword

[potent echo]

FGS assail (recon/IAG/voidblast/voidstrike/bistol/revolver)

FGS assail is enough for everything and the last slot is for flavour

[radiant frigate]

the what

[sturdy reef]

MKIV DS

its pee pee poo poo

because it enables too much

[radiant frigate]

reconlas perfect fit because zippy and efficient torching of bosses

[radiant frigate]

like what

other than extra zippy behaviour

and excellent anti-elite

it's a good fit for flamer and trauma

but other than that?

[potent echo]

Duelling sword vs hordes

It does have good dodge and movetech and blockcost though

Maybe people value that over actual killing power

I'm pretty sure I can find people who say powersword on vet is bad

[pine shore]

Why is it 2%?

https://i.vgy.me/MBU9u1.png

and why 25% peril total

Battle meditaion is 10% chance to quell 10% peril

[potent echo]

Maybe some weird fardshark interaction

[pine shore]

I mean, that much is obvious

But how the fuck?

[potent echo]

Syllo is typing 😎

[summer prairie]

It was 25% and 10% before and the mod hasn't updated I guess

[pine shore]

But the normal description is updated

The next paragraph is just fucked?

[summer prairie]

or 20%

yes

[pine shore]

I'm gonna go ask on the modding server

[vestal trench]

46 mins x_x

i never wanna do one of these with a krak grenade vet again

[restive slate]

What about smokes?

[sturdy reef]

Im not implying DS IV is bad at all. Im just saying you're playing your own game with how easy it is to deal with armor and its mobility

its not good to get used to that weapon

[hushed pike]

Was this havoc

or auric rotten armor

[vestal trench]

havoc

[vestal trench]

smokes are fine 👍

like i was trying zealot on h40 first time

[potent echo]

I actually think you shouldn't get used to FGS

[vestal trench]

didnt do too bad

[potent echo]

Once you use it you won't ever go back

[vestal trench]

buuut the psyker struggled with elites bc VB + illisi

on final toll/rampaging

then the vet was magdumping a bolter and running krak

so much so they triggered a daemonhost

tbh if the oggy wasnt running rumbler spam build we wouldnt have lasted 46 mins

[plucky flax]

Bad builds combo for red

[ripe obsidian]

What do you recommend for red? I imagine something like Branx on Ogryn to brain crushers before they turn red.

[sturdy reef]

Borovian still better

The cc pre enrage is too good

And the branx AS is pretty slow

[vestal trench]

oh it was final toll encroaching mb

still p bad for red tho yea

[ripe obsidian]

VB would do that as well, ideally. The issue I have found is that many people prefer chasing green circles by killing hordes instead of focusing the armor

Final Toll/Encroaching is gross.

[vestal trench]

all things considered glad we got that far but just miffed since that was 46 mins into fail

at least im getting good at zealot \o/

and weirdly i prefer mk 2 rb over 10

getting better at zealot rather

dont think im good on any class yet

[quartz barn]

Eh as long as you can clear without taking too much chip dmg youre fine

[ripe obsidian]

I played an orange/purple H40 earlier with a pretty low toughness gen psyker build. It was rough at points. The Ogryn and Arbiter would just facetank the world while the veteran and I died in tox gas or got plinked by basic shooters.

[vestal trench]

my psyker's reasonably getting reliable but i still cant consistently kite my way back to the team when repositioned by something like a barrel or a mutant

sometimes dodge slide push spam works

other times i wonder if i shouldve been using inferno m1 instead

[quartz barn]

Its usually better to find a good spot to hold rather than push through a horde

[ripe obsidian]

My biggest issue with Psyker is ending up in situations that I can't easily get out of alone, like when a bunch of crushers or bulwarks start swarming me when I don't have VB. I can usually run away and survive, but I often can't get to a position to do damage again until a teammate pulls some aggro

[vestal trench]

huh, good to know

so ideally, try to get back to team but if that isnt feasible, find a position to hold out till threats are thinned?

[ripe obsidian]

Non-red ragers or maulers, I can LMB stagger with Inferno, or with Shriek I can stagger/burn them down

[quartz barn]

Ye exactly

[ripe obsidian]

But armor makes me sad

[quartz barn]

Especially if you run inferno, just line everything up and blaze away

[vestal trench]

somehow my comfort pick rn is vet

i feel i need to sweat way more on zealot and psyker

[vestal trench]

even if it's a crusher conga line?

[ripe obsidian]

Then you run or die.

[quartz barn]

Well no not that xd

[ripe obsidian]

Or hope you're good at melee. :D

[vestal trench]

yeah it's usually bad position + crusher congas that get me

[quartz barn]

However, if youre good enough you can kite with inferno to clear everything around them, males dodging easier

Or just melee to kill them quickly ye

[vestal trench]

tbh ive been running obs again over deimos and it's been a godsend

[quartz barn]

But tbh this scenario depends on where you are

[vestal trench]

getting into helldivers made me realize how hard this game is though lol, i should cut randos some slack

[quartz barn]

If youre stuck in a corner youll have to dodge with i frames so good luck

[vestal trench]

not everyone transferred over from vermintide

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno LMB and VB RMB will CC anything smaller than an Ogryn, so they're pretty safe for holding out. VB is safer, of course. But LMB spam on Inferno does little damage, so it can end up being a losing battle as more elites pour in from other directions

[quartz barn]

Otherwise just backpedal

[ripe obsidian]

I am debating Obscurus. The Deimos H2 feels safe and cozy. But being able to consistently kill armor is probably more valuable. Death is the best CC

[quartz barn]

Fgs

[vestal trench]

in my case what cinched the decision was my inconsistency in block cancelling after deimos h2

no block cancels for obscurus

[ripe obsidian]

Is Obscurus H L L or L H H for armor slaughter? I forget

[vestal trench]

HLL

it's like a downswing, upswing, thrust

[radiant frigate]

why hate kraks

[vestal trench]

final toll encroaching just enraged most of the krak targets

that and it was redundant with the dude's bolter

[ripe obsidian]

Not enough vets run smokes

And those that do are often too conservative with their usage

[marble crater]

[radiant frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920016996752564286/1274487631987605674/GVHX15RXoAApby3-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

^unlucky for some

[potent echo]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kot-lock-in-lock-in-gif-14433487186457527318

[paper oriole]

For those who are on arbites hate train

[potent echo]

It's true

Playing arby made me bad at psyker too

[radiant frigate]

playing arby for 50 missions made me disappointed with the class

it also made me miss Literally Any Other Class

[plucky flax]

Dogless arby

[hearty wolf]

These people are too weak to handle the power of a god

Peasants

Unlucky for some™

[quartz barn]

When you get a reality check after playing an op class for too long

[hearty wolf]

People cry about it being tanky - just don't take the toughness nodes 🤔

[radiant frigate]

not crying about it

but aside from the dog that is all the class has

is tanky, has dog

remove dog and all you have is tanky

[tulip kettle]

disagree

BTL alone is very, very good

[hearty wolf]

They have DD on crack and probably the highest damage output

Melee I mean

I think Ogryn is actually hard pressed even with heavy hitter and bleed

[tulip kettle]

and exactly what sin said

they ALSO have silly ranged output with their shotguns

[hearty wolf]

I still think the shotguns are dog shit unless you're horde clearing

[tulip kettle]

regularly see million + ranged dmg coming out of shotgun spam arbs

[hearty wolf]

Not gonna change my mind about that

[tulip kettle]

yoou shouldnt its garbage

[hearty wolf]

And if you're horde clearing with a gun, why lol

[tulip kettle]

farming a million dmg off poxwalkers that anybody could have killed with their melee and wasting all the ammo in the level is not good

[hearty wolf]

^

[tulip kettle]

but makes the arb feel good at least

[hearty wolf]

The only reason it's "good" is so you have better lines of sight onto disablers

[paper oriole]

Your opinion is literally inverted compared to everyone else’s, call me a baffled human 😆

[hearty wolf]

Tbf

Kat's opinion is actually based

I just give her shit for it

[upper sun]

arby and ogryn made me weak

i cant even play zealot anymore let alone psyker

[hearty wolf]

It kind of depends on your mindset.

I don't feel being crippled is fun. And Arb is anything but crippled

[tulip kettle]

arb has no real personality as a class beyond "doggo" and to me personally feels bad to play

[upper sun]

i play dogless