psyker-class

[verbal thistle]

So I just alt f4

[wispy bay]

Exposed

[static sonnet]

I give them the benefit of the doubt first. Maybe they aren't a smyker and just want the tool in their pocket for when shit goes wrong. But as soon as they smite when there is no problem im out

[verbal thistle]

I have that same mentality

But I'm proven wrong 95% of the time

There has only been 1 good smite psyker user

Hamdolsun

[tulip kettle]

i just check their build, if its smite because they are doing some melee build and want the electrocution node and access to PA then fine

[verbal thistle]

Back when we trioed havoc 1.0

[tulip kettle]

like its still likely a trash build but i know they wont really be using smite

[static sonnet]

But i have to tolerate my pre-made friend smiting a boss in damnation 🫠

[verbal thistle]

I got a clip

Speaking of that

[tulip kettle]

if i see smite and EP they aint never making it into the party

[static sonnet]

The electrocution node is completely worthless tho

[tulip kettle]

yeah im sure it is, but maybe they are like oo stunning enemies with my FGS is fun

and a lot of right side melee trees take smite simply for access to some of the left part of the tree

[tulip kettle]

so how i was saying the game tells you what to do

his character literally says

"this isnt working"

[static sonnet]

That's the only reason I take it these days. And I still never use it, I forgot I have it, try swapping to bb or Assail and fumble lol

[tulip kettle]

guess he needs to learn to listen to the game better

in my game rn

has a gun and FGS with blazing spirit

should be funny

[gray juniper]

I guess they want to be vet with lightning

[tulip kettle]

i was wrong they started smiting immediately and havent stopped

[verbal thistle]

Yup

Called it

[gray juniper]

Darth sidious with a gun and knife for back up

[dull wing]

anyone willing to help me with Cliffhanger penance?

[wraith sphinx]

ahahaha

[wraith sphinx]

smykering with unupgraded smite too?? daring....

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

they can't resist

[verbal thistle]

I'm soyking it

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-psyker-gif-4777251650916725445

[ripe obsidian]

Cats can't digest dairy properly.

@verbal thistle since thou art about, I have been meaning to ask: do you run the +2 stamina perk on KD/Deflector force swords? Because of how KD works, a 40% reduction on all blocking costs seems really big.

[verbal thistle]

I dont run stam on psyker

I take blockcost on the sword though

[ripe obsidian]

Clost?

[verbal thistle]

clock

block

[tulip kettle]

oh the event can also have the pox gas modifier i just discovered

[verbal thistle]

fuck

https://tenor.com/view/cat-share-this-cat-if-you-already-lost-your-mind-insane-lost-your-mind-share-this-gif-11044010788421076558

[ripe obsidian]

Wouldn't stamina be more impactful than block cost if you have KD?

[verbal thistle]

unsure how it maths out

[ripe obsidian]

40% universal block cost reduction with stamina

B/c KD uses % cost of block against max stamina to calculate the peril gain

[verbal thistle]

Would +2 stam block more then taking block cost reduction

is what you are saying

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

It does

[verbal thistle]

idk the numbers

but maybe

[ripe obsidian]

If you have Kinetic Deflection

I have tested it.

[verbal thistle]

ahhh

I'll try it out

but 1st

the facotry must grow

[ripe obsidian]

It's because KD says "This attack costs 2 stamina to block, and you have 3 stamina, so it's 66%"

But if you have 5 stamina, it's now 40% cost

[ripe obsidian]

Then divide by 4 for the peril gain, minus whatever peril gain decreases you have

"For example, blocking a Scab Mauler sideswing with a Chainsword Mk IV: The sideswing deals 4 stamina damage which is 80% (4/5=0.8) of the sword's base maximum stamina. Psyker gains 20% percent peril blocking it (0.8x0.25=0.2)."

From Kuli's guide

[jovial juniper]

"Do you accept the boof?"

[thorn cedar]

Ye Six has it right

More stamina is more efficient than block efficiency when it comes to KD.

You could of course do both.

Almost every weapon with a +3 stamina curio becomes a bottomless block.

[green grove]

need to rework my build
high peril fgs brain rupture funnies are proving WAY harder to juggle on higher difficulties with only one bar of health available before i just die if i accidentally overload

[sand field]

Dump stat for inferno staff?

[gray juniper]

This is why I like +3 stamina curio

[jovial juniper]

Warp Resistance

[sand field]

thanks, then I've got a perfect one already

[ripe obsidian]

It's making me consider +3 stamina on Psyker, but I don't really want to give up any toughness or HP.

I don't often end up with my block broken outside of daemonhosts

[sand field]

best curios and bonusses for a inferno staff burst psyker?

[upper sun]

as far as i know just vigil station

[jovial juniper]

You'll be fine as long as you have 200+ hp

[marble crater]

#psyker-class message

[upper sun]

mainly this area just try to leave it asap after the drop

you have like 60 seconds

[marble crater]

No

I will stay there forever now

[upper sun]

u cant stay forever noob because the game will crash

[marble crater]

Not for me

[gray juniper]

[upper sun]

altf4 after drop and stop playing darktide forever

ooooor in your case unplug the xbox

[marble crater]

Xbox has an altf4 equivalent

[gray juniper]

This is really a noob defense on my part. Getting stuck in a crowd of things I can’t kill helps by shimmying and regular pushing my way out

[ripe obsidian]

200+ HP in H40?

[jovial juniper]

Oh no
It doesn't matter there

[ripe obsidian]

I don't really worry about builds for non-H40. I get goofy down there

I minmax for H40 because I don't want to die

[sand field]

thanks for referring me to that post, got fitting curios now. Which boosts do I put on them?

[ripe obsidian]

I often have limited success pushing my way out of any mixed hordes. Usually it's a lot of sideways sliding and hoping I can get enough space to get out my staff

[gray juniper]

Everyone that plays high up will suggest ability cooldown reduction for #1. after that it’s typically toughness or health increase, but curios are up to you

[marble crater]

I just use 3 toughness, 3 health and 3 cooldown reduction.
Instead of cooldown reduction you can do gunner and sniper resist, if you have problems with those

[gray juniper]

Yes I know what you mean. Jumping like Mario is how I managed to do it

[green grove]

y’all got any fun builds for me to try out

[marble crater]

Gunker

[gray juniper]

The stamina curio may not be necessary for it after all but damn does it make me feel safer

[long wharf]

I go 2 toughness 1 stamina curio, with cdr, toughness, and stamina regen on all three

[marble crater]

Also EK, Assail, Dueling Sword with shriek and Disrupt Destiny

[gray juniper]

Potato pointed out to me that you don’t need stamina regeneration. It’s already fast and it’s redundant when you could be adding something that’s a greater deficiency

[green grove]

teach me your ways

[marble crater]

#psyker-class message

[gray juniper]

Gunker, bubble knight, bubble squire…

(I saved bubble squire that one was funny)

[green grove]

bubble knight?

[gray juniper]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ebacfec-9eb8-4f84-b139-4e3cca58dcfb/bubble-knight-melee-havoc-40

[long wharf]

I'm not at the skill level of potato, so I find the extra stamina regen very useful

because when I suddenly finding myself needing it, it saves my life

[gray juniper]

I was ACCUSED of meming when creating bubble mercenary yesterday, but um… duh it’s a meme build. It’s a funny knock off of the bubble knight family

[gray juniper]

That’s why people use kinetic deflection

It basically gives you extra stamina on top

[long wharf]

only I never block on psyker

but, again, I'm not at the highest skill level of play

[gray juniper]

I’m not either

[long wharf]

blocking is accepting that you're stuck in the spot you got caught in

I prefer to dodge/slide

[gray juniper]

No one should be in position holding a block regularly

[marble crater]

Kinetic Deflection is also great for reviving people while you are surrounded by a horde

[long wharf]

that is also true

I didn't say KD was bad, just that I never take advantage of it

[gray juniper]

That’s a decision issue, not a skill issue. Just work on positioning and using your staff/gun more frequently

[marble crater]

You can also sprint and push around without having to worry about running out of stamina to block

All hail Kinetic Deflection

[jovial juniper]

"Hands Gameplay"

[long wharf]

you misspelled "sans"

[gray juniper]

If you’re surrounded by things that are beyond you weapons ability to kill quickly/efficiently, you’ve allowed yourself to be cornered or squared up to the wrong part of the horde

[gray juniper]

Real hocus pocus wizard shit

[long wharf]

that talent tree physically hurts me to look at

I'm suing for emotional damages.

[jovial juniper]

Nuh uh

[gray juniper]

I bet I could rock that in auric though

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-emotional-damage-emotional-damage-gif-25817245

[jovial juniper]

The whole gimmick is that you're going to double wall

[gray juniper]

Empowered brain burst is slept on

[jovial juniper]

And use K Resonance to machine gun those bbs

[long wharf]

oh I'm familiar with the build concept

[dull scroll]

that build would fuck in mortis

[long wharf]

but it is ass to play

[dull scroll]

you all jelly

[jovial juniper]

The alternative is warp syphon for more wall

[long wharf]

watching a psyker try to BB everything is a major oof

[green grove]

what weapons r recommended for gunker

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/herejes-gif-gif-herejes-herejes-argentina-gif-6918585226758768121

[green grove]

or is it chef’s choice

[jovial juniper]

Vraks5
Recon
Zarona revolver
Agripina revolver
Bolt Pistol

Agripina shotgun

[dull scroll]

ignore that list, grab recon

[green grove]

found a recon i liked yeah

what do for melee? just ignore it lmao?

[dull scroll]

fgs

[gray juniper]

No wtf

[green grove]

yeah i didn’t think that was the idea but still

[jovial juniper]

No you engage in glorious melee combat

Because the bonuses for your gun also apply to your melee

[gray juniper]

Lasers can’t penetrate armor. You’ll have no answers for carapace and get bullied to death in a corner

[green grove]

first you had my attention but now you have my interest

psyker gunblade when

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[green grove]

wonderful

[gray juniper]

Like all the time

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-writing-fire-his-writing-is-fire-is-this-fire-hold-up-gif-15400153686296022809

[sand field]

Thanks to you and SuTv, hope to take this class into auric and not be a burden. Used to be a smite psyker

[jovial juniper]

[gray juniper]

That’s good to hear. Growth is the key

[plucky flax]

Did anyone play the event? Is it super poopy?

[gray juniper]

Seriously looking at the pins will take you a long way

[gray juniper]

It’s nothing dramatic like the fire event. Some guys are green and they blow up with a high damage splash if you’re close. Leaves a cloud behind that doesn’t seem to do damage

[plucky flax]

Aye I'mma just skip it.

[gray juniper]

lol yea

[plucky flax]

The frame looks crap too.

[tulip kettle]

the cloud does do damage

its just a cloud of pox gas

that lingers for 5 seconds after the enemies death

it can also have the pox gas modifier and moebien-13th blight modifier

its annoying when there are large groups of the enemeies because as you are killing them you are creating poxgas where you are fighting, that become quite dense and difficult to see the enemies directly behind through

[gray juniper]

Ah I didn’t notice the tick that hard

[tulip kettle]

its because its not havoc and everything tickles

apparently the enemies have the infested armour type instead of carapace? im not sure how to test that

[flat nexus]

how many games needed for the new boarder

[gray juniper]

I know that psyker taking splash to the face is worse than a pox burster because I tried that

[tulip kettle]

10

[upper sun]

event is up on uprising you can run some maps in 8 minutes

[jovial juniper]

Health bar mods

[flat nexus]

ill just do it in damantion

or auric

[tulip kettle]

i have it but i dont have it set to show the armour type. That seems obvious now -.-

[upper sun]

i just did arby and went afk to play undying while alt tabbed

[plucky flax]

No sedition?

[marble crater]

[tulip kettle]

doesnt work

healthbars dont show an armour type when hitting them

i did have it set to show it just, doesnt

[long wharf]

might be a bug

[leaden mulch]

is this one new cosmetic?

[long wharf]

I don't recognize it, so I'd guess yes

[vernal temple]

am I one of the cool kids now?

[long wharf]

the "I have no mouth yet I must scream" cosmetic

[jovial juniper]

Yes

[jovial juniper]

2k hours is crazy

https://tenor.com/view/cat-high-five-high-five-gif-gif-11749178764953808365

[vernal temple]

what can I say, I like the game

[jovial juniper]

[long wharf]

I guess I can't play the game any longer

it has the number of the devil and is palindromic

[leaden mulch]

nice, bus kinda wish that it has less hose on the mask, it has 5 hoes on the mask, not even include those on the collar

[vernal temple]

my honest review of the game. put my heart and soul into this

[jovial juniper]

Another 10 hours and I reach 2k hours

💀

[leaden mulch]

about the bionic eye, iirc on the first time it cost only 400 isn't it?

[vernal temple]

you still have 67,753.9 hours to go

[jovial juniper]

After 2k hours I might finally buy a cosmetic

Still don't like the shop though

[vernal temple]

yeah this one on it's own is 400, not 700

[leaden mulch]

so they really did increase the price, just why Fatshark WHY?

[vernal temple]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-money-giveittome-mr-krabs-spongebob-gif-4184913

that's why

[jovial juniper]

Because no one will hold them accountable

[leaden mulch]

also I already brought this set, but in the shop it doesn't show i own it, is it the bug

or because the mod

[long wharf]

what mod?

[leaden mulch]

might be driptide, but i'm not reall sure

[long wharf]

I don't know any mod that interferes with the premium cosmetic shop

maybe restart your game

[leaden mulch]

but it's there long time agos

so might not be it

it's just that Premium shop not disable buying function of cosmetic that I'm already own

[radiant frigate]

hi

[leaden mulch]

is everyone show the same as me or it show "owned"

[pearl viper]

is the electrostaff warp resist or charge for dump stat

[radiant frigate]

what if you own a similar but not same set

[leaden mulch]

yes

[radiant frigate]

like for example there are multiple flavors of zealot plate that almost look identical

[long wharf]

FartShack hasn't released a recolor of that cosmetic yet

[leaden mulch]

there is only 1 inquisition set right now

[paper oriole]

Think about the shareholders 😰

[paper oriole]

I heard warp resist for everything except voidstrike

[pearl viper]

thx

[prisma hinge]

from an end-of-match reward :O

[green grove]

how play gunker

just spam gun and ability?

[marble crater]

Gunker is 80% melee with assail, 20% shooting gun into boss and groups of elites

[green grove]

ah

[paper oriole]

Any guns in particular?

[marble crater]

I like reconlas. vraks, las pistol are also popular choices

Vraks is best if you really want the most boss damage

[rigid sky]

Recon for efficiency, Vraks 5 IAG for the feeling of raw, incredible power

[green grove]

gonna give bubble knight a shot i think

[rigid sky]

Gun psyker gets such crazy multipliers on our finesse modifiers

[green grove]

gunker sounds neat but i. need to work on play style for it

[rigid sky]

so I want to use weapons that maximise that in particular

and Vraks 5 does that better than Recons do

[rigid sky]

"Nothing can kill you if everything is dead" is the playstyle

[prisma hinge]

my gunker.
assail 50% into hordes of uncarapace enemies (Dreg ragers, gunners, shotgunners, etc), Scrier's Gaze whenever Carapace, and Bolter whenever Carapace

[green grove]

ah

[rigid sky]

I question that random point you took below Warp Rider

[marble crater]

Gunker is extra class cannon

[green grove]

i think my issue was running the reconlaz ngl

bolter pistol my beloved

[rigid sky]

and I also question the logic of taking Lingering Influence and the 3-stacks-on-weakspot-kill modifier at the same time

[prisma hinge]

moar toughness

[rigid sky]

Imo, that bottom modifier is only really useful if you go Perfectionism

[prisma hinge]

for more angry

it works for me

[rigid sky]

but Gunker is a very unstable kind of build that I think works differently for everybody

yeah

you've got to make the version of it that suits you best

[prisma hinge]

i'm basically always at 15 stacks of DD

[paper oriole]

Thanks for info 🙂

[prisma hinge]

yep yep

for Bulwarks, i use the FGS' special ability (the horizontal warp slash thing) to stagger 'em a little

[green grove]

i see i see

[tulip kettle]

for bulwarks, just use FGS push attack

then heavy attack them in the face

[prisma hinge]

woe, top attack be upon ye

you could also use the Agripinaa Revolver

since that has some nice spammability

[tulip kettle]

ragers, dodge twice backwards, then get to bonking also

[prisma hinge]

or assail spam

stince that staggers them

[tulip kettle]

generally when using FGS, no matter which mark, its light attack twice then cancel and loop for trash

and chain heavy attacks for elites

you can throw 2 assails instead of cancelling for very god horde clear

so like, light light assail assail

[pale prairie]

Is there a preferred mark among most people?

[tulip kettle]

i think 6

most prefer 6

[pale prairie]

Is it cause of the heavy chain?

[last shore]

Whatever feels good to YOU

[tulip kettle]

but 8 has slightly better horde clear, 6 has a better heavy in the attack chain

[prisma hinge]

I like Mk VI generally

[pale prairie]

Pfff I have been on this discord long enough to keep that to myself

[tulip kettle]

8 the first 2 light attacks are horizontal (if not swap canelling with cheat mods)

[analog verge]

for letting me 2shot crushers with enough DD stacks i like mk6 more

[paper oriole]

Which perks/blessings you recommend with it?

[prisma hinge]

shrimple as that

[pale prairie]

There are mods that let you do that?? That’s bonkers

[tulip kettle]

wrath is generally always good

[tulip kettle]

then for the second its choice

[prisma hinge]

this is what i run for mine

[tulip kettle]

shred and unstable being very popular

that is not at all what most people would run

but its fine

[prisma hinge]

nope, but i haven't had any issues with it

[analog verge]

no wait its 3 shot unless i have scriers gaze

eh whatever, i always have scriers gaze on

[prisma hinge]

scrier's gaze, my beloved

sorry, My Beloved

[analog verge]

really fun

[pale prairie]

Interesting I have only run the mark 8 and never tried the 6

[analog verge]

wish i could grab psykinetics aura on the way to it but we make sacrifices for having decent monstrosity damage

[prisma hinge]

MK6 on top

[analog verge]

mark 8 having completely horizontal lights is nice but ive never felt lacking for trash clearing with psyker

[tulip kettle]

and perks you want to choose between unyielding, carapace and maniacs really, depending on what exactly the sword is for

[prisma hinge]

i do the block just because i'm usually duelling off against some fuckass large amt of gunners

[pale prairie]

Yeah I usually go carapace and unyielding with wrath and shred but I like to hear what others use

[prisma hinge]

and they shave my shield and health like nobody's business

[tulip kettle]

yes block sort of makes sense with deflector and kinetic deflection

[prisma hinge]

Unyielding because it does enough damage for other enemies

[analog verge]

my issue with deflector is that it usually just means im slowing down while still being in the line of gunners

[tulip kettle]

its very defensive at the cost of output

[prisma hinge]

woe, horiz. dodge upon ye

[analog verge]

What if there were more Gunners

[tulip kettle]

and yes, my experience of deflector has not been great, but i do run it Deimos for shriek builds

[analog verge]

1 sentence horror story

[prisma hinge]

funny enough i saw a parade

or whatever it's called

[analog verge]

yep, its definitely parade

[prisma hinge]

where they have like all the elites and specialists

[analog verge]

and dont let anyone tell you otherwise

[prisma hinge]

it was something like 30 scab gunners

[pale prairie]

I remember when havoc first released and I saw my first train of gunners at 30+

[prisma hinge]

horror

[pale prairie]

It was like less than half a second

But I saw SOMETHING

Back when people barely used deflectors because the bullets were nerf darts

[analog verge]

since ive been doing more fgs/gunker, gunner trains are just fuel for disrupt destiny

send assail out a couple times and boom, 15 stacks

[prisma hinge]

woe, assail upon ye

[pale prairie]

Fucking love assail. Wish it was easier to fold into the builds I prefer

[tulip kettle]

also hehe recon las + sprint sliding = ZOOOM

[prisma hinge]

if assail were the middle Blitz instead of right, i'd be in love

instead... it's...

it's... sm8te

[analog verge]

they should buff assail, it needs 100% rending against carapace

if anyone from fatshark is watching

[prisma hinge]

200%

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/get-out-of-my-head-ryan-gosling-the-fall-guy-get-out-of-my-mind-nbc-gif-6370107830301536944

[analog verge]

my problem with smite is that it bores me to tears

[pale prairie]

My problem is that people ignore the elites and go for chaff

[analog verge]

it even sounds lame

[tulip kettle]

my problem with smite is that it doesnt do enough damage

[analog verge]

oh well yeah thats also a big issue

just like with relic on zealot

[pale prairie]

So I am standing here nose to nose with this crusher/rager and my peril is building

[analog verge]

everyone walks past as the 12 ragers you were smiting wake up and turn you into modern art

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/sweats-gif-25346666

[tulip kettle]

it should do more damage to enemies the more armour they have on

[analog verge]

it doesnt feel cool, doesnt sound cool, doesnt do juicy amounts of damage, you cant zoom

[pale prairie]

Question can smite break? Sometimes when I used to run it the guys right in front of me would sometimes drop out of it and hit me

[tulip kettle]

🙂

pay no attention to things like this

[pale prairie]

Sucks as a panic button

[tulip kettle]

just bugs

[analog verge]

force of will

[pale prairie]

Well it IS fucking useless

[analog verge]

you think zealots are the only ones who can invoke miracles

[pale prairie]

What are they fucking Darth Vader?!?

Some dev saw that bug and decided it crowd control immunity would make a great feature in Havoc

[analog verge]

replace smite with telekinesis so i can fling a crusher into the sky, never to be seen until the end of the level where he drops back down and overheads me

[tulip kettle]

i like how in final toll enemies will randomly become red and not again

[pale prairie]

I wish they would do something about the blitzes being kind of meh

[tulip kettle]

"randomly"

its a really cool bug

[pale prairie]

Hahahah

[analog verge]

assails going strong

[pale prairie]

They carry blood splats to trick poor rejects

[analog verge]

shame its charged version doesnt oneshot gunners but i guess that would really cut into brainburst territoty

territory

[pale prairie]

I mean yeah but I like to use staffs and not guns to conserve ammo. Again swap it to the middle and we good

Telekinetic murder darts are fucking cool

[tulip kettle]

bb just needs to be reworked to always kill the target

[pale prairie]

Preach

[tulip kettle]

and have a variable charge time and peril cost depending on the enemies mass

[pale prairie]

I wouldn’t mind some way to chain cast or speed up the cast

[tulip kettle]

obviously doesnt work on bosses

[analog verge]

should work on players

[tulip kettle]

we have that already its called KR

[pale prairie]

Lmao

Haven’t seen someone take KR in a while

[tulip kettle]

no because why would you try to make BB useful for anything outside of flayer shenanigans tbh

[pale prairie]

In high density it feels like there’s not really the time to sit and cast it on the 1 gunner in the pack of twenty

[tulip kettle]

though the meme build posted a bit ago with KR EP and double walls would have 0 problem with 20 gunners

thats the dream honestly

[pale prairie]

It does have some redundancy built in against shooties

Does KF cooldown get affected by any of the cooldown reduction auras or nodes?

[tulip kettle]

i dont think so, nearly everything i have seen says "ability cooldown"

[pale prairie]

Yeah that’s why I asked though cause the descriptions in this game ahem…

[analog verge]

gunners already get shot before my assail reaches them sometimes, but what if i killed them with something even slower

[tulip kettle]

i think arb has a "cooldown reduction" thing

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-its-about-sending-a-message-joker-heath-ledger-the-joker-gif-18201880

[tulip kettle]

BB with KR and EP vs gunners groups isnt slow tbh

[pale prairie]

I mean it’s not slow no. But is it safe?

[analog verge]

no, but it just makes me think 'i couldve picked assail and an interesting keystone'

[pale prairie]

Pfffff

[pine oyster]

I feel like Smite needs a rework.

[marble crater]

Smite needs to be removed

[pale prairie]

What you don’t like the stun lightning that doesn’t kill and sometimes just drops the stun?

Oh and aggros the hordes you can’t see

[jovial juniper]

Or you don't like the lightning that kills everything and turn off the game

[pine oyster]

It's got no damage, lasts too long and can fuck up someone's entire match because people keep stunlocking entire hordes.

[pale prairie]

Ah the old days when it could be run infinitely

[pine oyster]

The lightning staff is fine.

[pale prairie]

That was a great feature. Too bad the patched it

[jovial juniper]

I'm talking about EP smite

[pine oyster]

All I'm saying is, make it deal more damage and make the peril gain much more urgent.

[pale prairie]

Hmmmm

[jovial juniper]

Poxxers die in 2 seconds

Ragers in 8

And it has no limit on how many targets it can jump to

Truly one of the blitz ever

[pale prairie]

I dunno from a playstyle perspective it just is kind of weird

[pale prairie]

Is this true in havoc?

[jovial juniper]

No it is known that it falls off on havoc

[pale prairie]

You end up stationery basically in a game where you move or die

[static sonnet]

Ep smite has merit when people actually use it right

[pine oyster]

It lasts too long for it to be a "Oh fuck, I got to stun these guys and throw them to the ground" type move.

[pale prairie]

I assume the times you posted involve using EP?

[jovial juniper]

But thankfully FS doesn't use havoc for balancing purposes

[pine oyster]

It feels like I am the only one to use it in bursts.

[jovial juniper]

Otherwise what would be the point of havoc

[pale prairie]

Again I tried running it as an oopsie train of ragers button/please revive that guy….NO DONT ATTACK THE WALKERS PLEASE REVIVE THE DOWNED PEOPLE…..

But the inconsistency on the stun is brutal

[pine oyster]

That is a good use.

[tulip kettle]

very safe

[pale prairie]

I mean I’ve tried it a few times in auric damnation/maelstrom and it IS fast but i spend so much time dodging and sliding and hiding when i have Randos that charge into the horde and never look behind us.

Honestly I just don’t enjoy the EP keystone a whole lot

[tulip kettle]

i mean yeah like i said its not good its just a meme

[pale prairie]

lol

[tulip kettle]

you do that above and then spend the next minute and a half doing fuck all

[pale prairie]

Hahahahaha

[pale prairie]

Ah so you grab the smite blitz after all

[tulip kettle]

i think every build of mine is either BB with KF or assail

occasionally ill run smite in mael if its extra poxbursters to do the funnies

[pale prairie]

It’s to flex on the general population and cause people to lose faith in the average awareness of people

[pale prairie]

See now that’s a good use

New smite idea it should trigger barrel explosions

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/spongbob-wot-turning-face-venxy-gif-10817611358451551770

[pale prairie]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-dumb-empty-head-moron-spongebob-gif-11976325420190756370

[candid temple]

make it a fire-n-forget ability on x cooldown

[pine oyster]

Maybe it could be a spawned AOE?

[candid temple]

shock mine

ngl, shock mine would be a massive upgrade to smite

[pine oyster]

Fuck.

Just make it a burst, maybe?

[jovial juniper]

(it's a massive downgrade)

https://tenor.com/view/desiler-giga-chad-gif-9574825124538696572

[green grove]

tried reconlas a couple times, gonna give quickdraw revolver a shot this time for the funny armor pen

cowpsyker

[jovial juniper]

Did you know
Shock mine does not stop Burster/Mutant

Smh

Another smite w

[green grove]

damn really

that’s so lame

in my head that should be one of the best use cases for shock mine
cover your ass against sneak attacks from bursters/mutants/hounds

[nocturne dust]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/266699970860679168/1181871667585241139/myDeathWasGreatlyExaggerated-Subtitled.gif?ex=6582a2c3&is=65702dc3&hm=f935516435490b1d1ae847872427abd28e7f9d1a546b8b2224afe97bc3e356d0&

[candid temple]

they're fixing that in august

[jovial juniper]

[candid temple]

clearly an oversight

[jovial juniper]

Nah

Intentional for mid class

Because it's mid

Mid

Try not to say mid challenge

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-and-patrick-melting-gif-25594329

[loud girder]

Agreed they should buff the tanky high dmg class with infinite stamina

[pale prairie]

Yeah just let the shock mine be strapped to the dog and have it on constantly

[jovial juniper]

That's just ogryn

[loud girder]

Arbites to a lesser extent too

Not as bing bong wahooooo as slabs tho

[fresh reef]

calling all Lua code monkeys, I need assistance

I may have just discovered a bug, not sure if it's known, and I have no idea how to recreate it in a testing environment because DD

[analog verge]

i can test it out with creature spawner

potentially

[marble crater]

Bug with DD? Say it ain't so

[fresh reef]

yeah but this one's actually fun

warp rupture + Purloin Providence (-5% peril on Killing DD Target) + additional enemies killed by rupture = multiple ticks of -5% peril, one per each kill

[thorn cedar]

The hard part will be getting kills off of Warp Rupture.

[tidal cedar]

Is Smite good yet

[analog verge]

maybe

[marble crater]

Smite itself has always been good

[jovial juniper]

Too good

Maybe you should ask if it's still boring

[tidal cedar]

I really enjoy it, but the group I play with hates when I use it 😅

Any good build guides for it ?

[jovial juniper]

Yeah because it's too good

You turn the game off with 2 buttons

[jovial juniper]

This is pretty much core

With 3 points left you can get Kinetic Deflection on the bottom right

And battle Meditation on the top center

[tidal cedar]

Aw sweet thanks, how is it for Havocs/Auric

[jovial juniper]

It falls off on havoc but it's fine for Aurics

[rigid iris]

....this is good right

Do I even need to upgrade this thing

christ

[topaz mesa]

It's going to take a lot of upgrading but yeah that works perfectly

[jovial juniper]

Yes

Needs 76 burn

Or was it 73

[rigid iris]

76 burn? bet

[topaz mesa]

Ideally you want your warp resistance at 60 on a staff I would think. Unlike the great sword

[rigid iris]

no no

people be chasing the FUCK

out of low res high cloud

I already have my "normal" one but I specifically wanted a secondary

accidentally got what I would want for my daily driver

[topaz mesa]

You build up perils so quick. The 60 Rez would definitely help you output more dps

[rigid iris]

that's the idea

[topaz mesa]

My inferno staff is the exact same though. Ironically

Everything is maxed at 80 except my rez which is at around 40

[rigid iris]

I want more peril because I can just q it if need be

for purg critmongering

[topaz mesa]

It is so hard to find a warp Greatsword that has that low of res though even if it is only at 60 max

[candid temple]

well greatsword you can just shockwave for mad peril

[rigid iris]

not rlly I just spambuy form brunt

oh I can just

it's 76

@jovial juniperperfect

[jovial juniper]

🫡

[rigid iris]

and it's just at 13 warp res

gaw damn

[plucky flax]

That'll be super good for auric.

Might be too low for havoc.

[rigid iris]

perhaps

we'll see

if it ends up being too low then a few upgrades won't hurt it in the slightest

[strong gulch]

flak

[rigid iris]

oh right this isn't my penetrating staff

swapped to flak

[topaz mesa]

Think the idea behind having low res on a force blade sword is so you can do two moonlight attacks and it puts your apparel at 90 or above

Some YouTuber was saying more than 35 warprez and it takes three

[rigid iris]

this is my other purg

[plucky flax]

Penetrating flame doo doo

[rigid iris]

I like bringing brittleness 😔

at least on that thing

[marble crater]

You like bringing doo doo

[plucky flax]

Tru I tried it 2 games and I just couldn't vibe with it.

[topaz mesa]

What do you use over penetrating flame?

[plucky flax]

Nexus.

[marble crater]

Nexus

[rigid iris]

warp nexus

[topaz mesa]

Yes

[rigid iris]

that's why my other one has warp nexus on it

[plucky flax]

I did less damage and I regen toughness less (I don't use soulstealer on burga)

[topaz mesa]

I'm still pretty new to the game. I'm only just getting good at heresy

[rigid iris]

eyebrow raise vine boom

[topaz mesa]

Yesterday I played my first game only going down once.. and without any self blow-ups

[plucky flax]

So for my playstyle I can't play with penetrating flame

[marble crater]

Skill issue

[plucky flax]

Tru I am not karien.

[rigid iris]

I tend to bring the pen purg if I feel like I would contribute more by just making things die easier for team

(I don't trust them and I don't trust me)

[topaz mesa]

Let's be honest though.. void blast is superior

[rigid iris]

but honestly just critmaxxing and proccing evasion 24/7 is pretty nice

[rigid iris]

it deffo has it's perks but

[gray juniper]

You probably want max damage and burn

[topaz mesa]

But??

[rigid iris]

nah I'm already capped for burn

the difference between 71 and 80 damage is

1

it's 1 damage

hell you're at 31 damage instead of 33 if you havea 60 damage staff iirc

it's not the dump stat at all but you aren't gonna be like

missing that 1 damage much even if it adds up fast

[gray juniper]

Idk I’d ask the sages

[ripe obsidian]

It adds up

Especially with Blaze Away

And all the other damage buffs you get

1 damage isn't going to make or break you, but damage is damage

[rigid iris]

yer

[cosmic sigil]

30 C tomorrow...

Be safe

[rigid iris]

I will never tell someone not to max damage personally

[ripe obsidian]

With all the assorted buffs it probably ends up closer to 5-8 damage per tick. It's something.

I don't want to do the math

[marble crater]

If my weapon is not 80/80/80/80/60 I get a mental debuff and play worse

[rigid iris]

me when I start getting into a new weapon

[strong gulch]

what about all 76

[rigid iris]

even the shit I'm not using and don't really plan to use in the foreseeable future

[marble crater]

My game crashes

[rigid iris]

I need it to have the "right" dump stat

[topaz mesa]

Just a heads up, I sent out a bunch of friend requests, not because I'm looking at creep into inboxes. I'm looking for other people that play the game for real.

[ripe obsidian]

Hm.

[strong gulch]

If I see correct dump I keep it. Then when I have 15 of them I tell myself that I can let the new ones go.

[topaz mesa]

Thank you sutv and st.leech for accepting

[rigid iris]

basically yeah
if I have correct dump on literally anything it goes straight into my stash

[strong gulch]

Then you hit the randomizer button and get something not built.

[rigid iris]

also I see a lot of builds with quell speed as dump for purg @jovial juniper
would that be something u would do

[marble crater]

That's exactly what someone who wants to creep into our inboxes would say

[strong gulch]

not quell speed again 😭

[rigid iris]

I

am JUST asking

I do not dump quell...

[marble crater]

Uh huh, right...

[topaz mesa]

Lol

Sorry I have a girlfriend. I'm not looking to get mixed up in any online gay shenanigans

[rigid iris]

I DON'T!

[topaz mesa]

But no seriously. This is my game. Dark Tide is my game

[marble crater]

I don't believe you

[strong gulch]

There's LFG in the vox channels for forming groups.

[topaz mesa]

Yeah but you don't know who you're getting

[rigid iris]

🥺 why naur

[topaz mesa]

Plus psychers need to actually play with skill because we're one of the weakest classes

[strong gulch]

Evenetually you'll a group who are on at silar times and that you get on with

[topaz mesa]

I f****** hate the dog guys.. f*** those dog guys

[gray juniper]

Higui is not a reliable source for information until he’s not employed anymore by the anti-arbites lobby

[strong gulch]

weak as in can't take a hit

[topaz mesa]

Well, from what I gather online, it's one of the highest skill classes to play..

[jovial juniper]

You're content with a mid class but I'M the problem?!?!?!?

[topaz mesa]

I'm going to spend a couple weeks at heresy and see how it goes.. I already bought the RoboCop class

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/rayleigh-one-piece-crying-gif-7583256620608062087

I'm afraid you fell for propaganda

[gray juniper]

I have two staffs with 60 quell

https://tenor.com/view/meu-gif-27420939

[topaz mesa]

I have aspirations for being a god tier melee/gun scriers gaze psyker one day

[marble crater]

Yeah, but you are relatively new, so you are allowed to be wrong and are excused

[gray juniper]

They’re for evil deeds

[patent steeple]

Why have high quell on staff, when Solidity?

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[marble crater]

Why not?

Picking warp resistance unironically

[patent steeple]

Oh right. I completely forgot that’s the alternative…

[strong gulch]

it's the actual dump

[gray juniper]

Man listen I know it doesn’t make perfect sense and seems contradictory, but listen to these people on the dumps and talent picks. Going with low warp, empyric resolve and the other suggested talents changed things for the better quite a lot

[topaz mesa]

Does anyone here play with the recon las gun?

[jovial juniper]

This does remind me to get a charge rate dump on my EK for M1 purposes

[marble crater]

High warp resistance on weapons is bad, but I will also not play without ER, it makes sense

[marble crater]

Probably most people when they play gunker

[topaz mesa]

Mine has 71 in stability and 69 in mobility.. that's probably pretty damn good hey? The thing hardly kicks back and has insane rapid fire so.. I'm assuming the stability isn't super super important?

[marble crater]

Literally unplayable unfortunately
(it's fine if you are low on dockets)

[topaz mesa]

What??

Stability has to be capped at 80?

[weary idol]

p sure stability affects the spread

[topaz mesa]

Yeah I get that

[gray juniper]

Most guns should be 60 mobility because you don’t really need it when you’re shooting or aiming

And a lot are still fast to run with

[topaz mesa]

So you really think that only having 71 stability is going to hinder my gameplay that much? I'll be missing too many headshots

[marble crater]

You won't lose missions because of the stats, so if you are low on money it's fine, if you have enough money then might as well get a perfect weapon

[jovial juniper]

A collateral dump would be preferable

[topaz mesa]

Collateral is pretty much equivalent to piercing shot, correct?

Goes through the target

Because I want to use the recon laser gun with the force blade great sword. So the recon gun is my mobility weapon

[jovial juniper]

No no
The name is misleading

In recons case

Collateral is stagger value

[gray juniper]

Yea it doesn’t really do that

[jovial juniper]

Except recon isn't known for stagger

[topaz mesa]

Good to know.. yeah, I don't think I need to stagger them while I'm blowing their heads off and they're dying

[weary idol]

Stagger honestly makes it harder to headshot things a lot of the time

The one thing I don't like about exe stance is the stagger bonus

[upper sun]

SPECIAL EVEN ON ROLLING STEEL

LETS SPEED RUN THIS SHIT

[gray juniper]

lol that sounds interesting

[upper sun]

it didnt spawn any enemies

anyhow 6 minutes a mission :3

[jovial juniper]

Any modified or any any

[upper sun]

no

[jovial juniper]

?

[upper sun]

just event progression

[tulip kettle]

hes high on speedrun, give him a few minutes to come to earth and he'll answer you properly im sure

also collat on recon lasgun also effects supression which can actually be useful especially in high havoc. You tend to be running it with mettle and EE and it dumps out crits, so you are very fast and auto dodging ranged shots, you can also shoot it while sliding. Overall mobility really seems like the obvious dump, having collateral just means when theres a group of gunners if you dont manage to kill em all at least they stop shooting back for a second or 2

[upper sun]

you can tell i have the actions queued up in my mind already

[tulip kettle]

the way you look around in surprise

[jovial juniper]

This happens more than it should

[tulip kettle]

then it materialises out the wall

[sinful perch]

Quick question does the regular force sword special do more damage if you finish it with a heavy attack? Or is it the same damage regardless

[jovial juniper]

Yes any activated attack deals more damage on the heavy

[upper sun]

i can just ult tab out of uprising

dog just does everything

[jovial juniper]

Even on Illisi special attack
Despite it being just a difference of 100

[patent steeple]

Well, illisi special’d heavy 1 has a better angle for hitting many things at once compared to illisi special’d light 1, so doing a heavy is a better choice most of the time anyways with illisi…

[pale prairie]

Yeah I can’t believe how little damage you took from a rager double attack haha good dog

[upper sun]

its just uprising

[sand field]

Running an inferno crit build, which mark should I put on my blaze sword?

[upper sun]

anything except illisi is fine

[fresh reef]

double checking, EK always targets the chest region right?

and for bulwarks specifically that'd be Unyielding?

[sand field]

thanks, I mainly use it for ragers

[upper sun]

it targets centermass which is only for tickdamage and things that dont have a projectile

its not exactly the ssame as the chest

[fresh reef]

noted, and doubly so about the tick damage

much obliged 👌

[spiral storm]

I wish the surge staff was changed to work more like a beam weapon

You maintain the stream on one target and the damage ramps up the longer it is maintained

And if the target dies it swaps to another target automatically and keeps the ramped damage

[plain elbow]

does soulblaze mean killing an enemy with soulblaze on it or soulblaze has to get the kill?

souldrinker*

[crisp ether]

Killing an enemy with soulblaze on it

Not that the soulblaze gets the kill

Souldrinker is insanely good.

[plain elbow]

okay that seems better, wasn't sure if i should drop a point into it or just another +25 toughness on my bubble build

15*

[crisp ether]

If you can fit it, the toughness retention you get from using it is more important than the extra toughness imho

[plain elbow]

the only soulblaze i have is on elite kill but on higher difficulties it seems to have a lot of uptime

[crisp ether]

Because you can outright go from zero to full toughness instantly with stuff like trauma or purgatus

[crisp ether]

You really wanna use something that deals soulblaze

Even using a force sword with the blessing that inflicts it on crit can be very good.

[summer token]

voidblast applies it doesn't it?

[crisp ether]

It does but I feel it's less consistent compared to the other two

But it still works.

[plain elbow]

i'm trying a bubbleknight build, so i already have points on that side of the tree, just no ideal way to proc it. i guess i could take the blaze blessing but im not sure if i should drop cleave/riposte for that

[crisp ether]

I'd also recommend the blessing that gives you cleave on peril

Since it's right there.

And you can replace the cleave blessing

[plain elbow]

oh i take that already, does wrath not stack with the cleave on peril talent?

[crisp ether]

Not that it doesn't but it probably does go through diminishing returns

Since a lot of stacking is multiplicative, meaning it won't add the full percentage value from the stacking

[plain elbow]

i wouldn't mind a way to up my survival, i still go down occasionally, i'll definitely try it. wish wildfire wasn't on the opposite side of the tree, it seems like it's be really good with souldrinker

[crisp ether]

I'll be honest

It being as strong as it is, is probably why it's on that side.

[patent steeple]

souldrinker is the one that gives crit from death with soulblaze stacks, soulstealer is the one that gives toughness back when you kill with warp.

[crisp ether]

Souldrinker also gives you 5% toughness for each kill as well as the crit chance.

[hearty wolf]

Soulstealer is the goat

Soul drinker is stinky

[crisp ether]

The crit chance is just a little bonus. Its the regen that makes it so powerful.

[patent steeple]

but iirc, the toughness gain from souldrinker doesn't happen again until the crit buff goes away (or at least, it used to work like that)

[crisp ether]

Last I used it, something just needed to die.

And it regens.

It also makes Wildfire very strong.

[patent steeple]

idk about that specifically, as I can no longer afford wildfire and souldrinker at once on any build that uses enough soulblaze to make it work...

actually, since souldrinker is on the right, I don't think I could even take it on any non-assail build...

[radiant frigate]

please do not spread misinformation

blazing spirit is only good on trauma

[fresh reef]

I love when my smoothbrain teammates decided to clump together and only backdodge in the new modifier

I'm going insane I've eaten so many fucking overheads that I couldn't do anything about

[radiant frigate]

all you can eat overhead buffet

(one serving)

[inland ice]

stole my ENTIRE flow

[plain elbow]

kat which blessings do you suggest for the sowrd then?

[inland ice]

its so aids\

i tried clutching when everyone got downed and rezzed an ogyn just for him to immediately go down again

how

[crisp ether]

If you're looking to proc souldrinker, regular force swords are not bad at all with blazing spirit.

Greatsword on the other hand, is not good. Too slow and does so much damage that you very often don't proc the soulblaze because you'll just one shot what you're hitting anyway.

I wouldn't recommend it otherwise except for souldrinker because it actually gives value to blazing spirit on the swords.

[jovial juniper]

Stacks additively

So you can have 300% cleave under the right conditions

[jagged quarry]

inferno staff is so boring to use

[jovial juniper]

Follows the Fatshark logic

Strong things are boring

Weak things are fun

[hearty wolf]

:)

[crisp ether]

Oh that I didn't know.

[analog verge]

fgs is strong and fun

one exception

inferno staff is sauceless

its dry

[static sonnet]

In my limited testing and research on trusted mechanics guides, the toughness has no cd, but the crit chance duration cannot be refreshed as stated.

[hearty wolf]

Literally took me 24 years to try and develop this skill

[jagged quarry]

are other staves viable in havoc 40 ?

[plain elbow]

on a bubblekniht build how do you set up your fgs then? blessings wise i'm running unstable power and riposte, but i can't really tell if riposte has enough uptime to be useful

[jovial juniper]

You'll have a hard time with electric staff and VoidSTRIKE lost horde clearing power unless you bring Warp Splitting

M1 spam electric staff is probably the best way of playing it at high havocs

[jagged quarry]

i mean inferno is so easy to play, it has a big range, it hits everything, peril buildup is slow, you don"t have to aim for weakspots etc..

[hearty wolf]

Blast BOOM

[jagged quarry]

but so boring

[jovial juniper]

I personally run Unstable Precognition

But Precognition is 2 seconds instead of riposte 6secs

[crisp ether]

M1 surge staff with surge blessing is crazy good

Voidstrike is pretty good specifically because it counters bulwarks.

Trauma honestly is the one that really falls off unless you go Scrier's to really get the damage up there and if you take Scrier's on a Havoc 40, you basically have to lock tf in

BUT, Scrier's trauma is honestly the most fun I've had playing high havoc when you play it right

[analog agate]

? VB definitely doesn’t fall off in H40 unless you talk about red enemies

And VS is horrible in H40

[pale prairie]

I love surge but I can never tell if Surge blessing or warp flurry is better

For havoc I mean

[crisp ether]

Orange enemies fuck with your breakpoints real bad too and trauma rides on getting as much done in a cast as possible

[hearty wolf]

This guy is full of shit takes

Don't weigh yourself down on it xd

[weary idol]

huh

trauma spams explosions to spread soulblaze

while also having the option of charging to help the frontline with CC

[upper sun]

is it just me or is castigator stance kinda ass?

[hearty wolf]

Become immune to damage isn't so bad

veri good against gunners

[upper sun]

i want it to have fall damage immunity too

[jovial juniper]

[upper sun]

vet post ^

[jovial juniper]

?

I'm not a vet main

[robust jacinth]

You are clearly high. (Writing this while face tanking 2 demon hosts)

[upper sun]

vet post

[upper sun]

ehhhhhh

[robust jacinth]

You don't get to ehh shit when I can pop castigators in front of 2 dh and outpace their toughness damage by just spamming lights and not dodging/blocking.

[jovial juniper]

Oooh seems like clad already eh'd it

[spiral storm]

Trauma is bad?

since when?

I've never once considered the trauma a "breakpoint" focused weapon, I just spam the shit out of it to knock everything over and set them on fire

[jovial juniper]

Trauma is bad

On stairs

[spiral storm]

idk I'm reading some dudes above saying trauma is bad in havoc

and I'm confused as shit

I thought trauma was one of the most meta options for psyker possible

only thing it lacks is monster damage

[hearty wolf]

It's no inferno staff is all

[spiral storm]

the inferno staff is the best psyker staff now?

is it because of the blessing that stacks brittle?

[upper sun]

e h h

[hearty wolf]

Because it does shit tons of damage with soulblaze and shriek

And most people in H40 aren't doing enough damage so inferno spikes and snowballs

[spiral storm]

oh so it's just a case of filling the pure damage role

[weary idol]

I mean it's a pretty solid competitor to it

[spiral storm]

while some zealot spams relic

[weary idol]

It has close enough soulblaze application while also having additional utility from the vastly superior crowd control

[hearty wolf]

I mean it's like, in a dense 40 minute game

You can do like 2.5m on inferno but you're doing like half of that for CC

But things being dead is the best CC

[spiral storm]

what about the limited range

I know it's a team issue but man, it feels like my teammates never kill snipers

[pale prairie]

“Ah don’t worry the psyker has Brain Burst so they do the snipers. These pox walkers are way more fun to destroy anyway…” /s

[analog agate]

Tried domshizzles EK build. Yeah, I am not listening to that guy again. Worse than regular EK build

[hearty wolf]

@tulip kettle the signs were wrong

[green grove]

gunker peaktide to me

[hearty wolf]

revisit

[analog agate]

He can go with it obviously. And it seems to work for him on high havoc. But it is inferior. Sorry not sorry

[candid temple]

want to play a fly wizard
relegated to shieldbot and lasgun

[green grove]

simple solution:

1. don’t use shield
2. don’t use lasgun

easy fix

[crisp ether]

That's what I mean. It's not that it's unusably bad. But staggering things only matters so much in the grand scheme of things when the game decides to spawn a bunch of carapace and bulwarks your way. And the soulblaze just doesn't feel like it does as much. If I was relying on that, I'd just use inferno staff then.

[sullen gale]

siiiiigh, still waiting for this set 😔

every time the store refreshes and it's not this, I lose motivation to play 😔

[hearty wolf]

I get what you're saying but this logic feels backwards to me.

You acknowledge damage is important and then say it doesn't do enough damage so it doesn't do enough

The thing is, what are you taking anyway blessings wise to make trauma better

Because the soulblaze is making pc and wildfire go off, you're killing stuff behind the walls of crushers

you're also helping offset any coloured buffs the mobs have which are making them harder to kill

It's not unusable by any means but trauma just will never be better than inferno for havoc

[crisp ether]

Yeah. That's what I'm saying. Inferno is just the better option.

I was saying trauma just falls off on higher havoc. Not that it's like, unbearably bad but it doesn't carry as much weight to it.

[analog agate]

Well, yeah. Inferno is the only staff that doesn’t suffer

[hearty wolf]

Yeah. I agrees.

Or well

[crisp ether]

Again. I've used it. I actually tried it with Scrier's and that was a fun as hell build.

[hearty wolf]

Hm.

[crisp ether]

You just have to play your balls off to make that work.

[hearty wolf]

I think I would clarify that it doesn't fall off.

The difference is inferno scales

[ripe obsidian]

I think Trauma scales fine into high havoc. Well, any non-red high havoc.

Inferno does the opposite of falling off as you go up in difficulty. Leaps on?

[analog agate]

Glad to see rituals is as shit as ever

Had 3 rituals right next to each other

[long wharf]

the infinite cleave means it scales proportionally with horde density

[crisp ether]

That's the key difference. Inferno just keeps stacking. You need perilous combustion to proc to go further with trauma, which you have to kill elites and specialists to do that with.

Guess what has way more health in high Havoc

Especially when they're orange or god forbid, red.

[spiral storm]

The easy fix would just be to make the soulblaze stack on any hit with trauma but scale with charge

or I guess that talent

[analog agate]

Just want to say I just did a red with VB. It is fine. Full charge. Knock them down. Poke with ds

[long wharf]

this is how it should have worked from the beginning

same with surge and voidstrike

[spiral storm]

but honestly I'm not sure buffing everything to be even stronger just to match the inferno at high havoc is the correct way to balance the game

just makes auric even more of a joke

[long wharf]

well the problem is that inferno has no cleave limit

so, give it one

[jovial juniper]

128 targets

No more

And that's me being generous

[long wharf]

or make the lifetime of the inferno projectiles based on secondary charge time

[spiral storm]

giving it a cleave limit or finally adding back in shield enemies (Not the bulwarks) would be nice

human sized non elite enemies with shields that block fire, bullets etc for their alies

now CC has a more organic reason to be needed

[long wharf]

the inferno special should be a very short range soulblaze aoe with high stagger around the player

[spiral storm]

inferno can still turn hordes into warcrime victims but have weaknesses

maybe save that as a different staff mk

psyker hasn't gotten a new staff since the game's release

[long wharf]

psyker needs more staves

[spiral storm]

bring back some of the old vermintide staffs

[long wharf]

gimme a staff whose charged secondary is a stream of randomly aimed assail shards

[crisp ether]

Okay that'd actually be cool.

[long wharf]

get an anime missile salvo feeling going

[crisp ether]

Okay real talk. Why isn't the primary on surge staff quick lightning bolts though?

[spiral storm]

yoooooooooooo

what if like

the assail shards

did a needler explosion effect when stacked up

[long wharf]

or the staff secondary shoots a large shard projectile that when it hits something, explodes into a bunch of randomly aimed assail shards

[crisp ether]

Primary, shoots assail as normal but causes explosion after a threshold of shards.

[long wharf]

or a staff that lets you place down a floating ball of warpfire

[spiral storm]

fire tornado staff

[crisp ether]

Secondary, shoots one big shard that pierces armor and also explodes after a threshold

But with the caveat that if you kill something before the explosion, it pins the enemy against the wall

[spiral storm]

Staff that drains souls and give warp charges

[long wharf]

special shoots a needle thin shard that pierces multiple targets with really high cleave, railgun style

[crisp ether]

I forgot what it's called but like that weapon in FEAR.

[long wharf]

nailgun ragdoll physics has always been great in FPS

[crisp ether]

Agreed. I loved it in FEAR. Loved it in Amid Evil. It's just so satisfying

[spiral storm]

staff that rains gasoline and does a high damage explosion and burn on everything coated

sorry not gasoline "warp fuel"

[long wharf]

only if you blow yourself up if you shoot a fire

[spiral storm]

or I guess just human oils since it's biomancy technically

[spice oar]

THATD BE RAD

We need more staffs fat shark please

[spice oar]

No idea, it really should be

[stoic ice]

quake lightining gun

[spice oar]

I’d cream

[stoic ice]

take the sprint lets u primary fire and just look stupid running around the map

[spice oar]

But make it infinite cleave but low damage

So it’s a trash horde clear

[stoic ice]

eh EK identity is single target so idk about making it cleave, single target with like 1-2 bounces (like the 2ndary) would be cool

[jovial juniper]

They didn't want to port Soulstealer staff into DT

Anyways here's brain burst

[stoic ice]

inferno staff blessings I usually see ppl run either blaze away, penetrating flame, or warp nexus what do you guys usually run?

[jovial juniper]

BA Nexus

[potent echo]

Blaze away is a must

Nexus is next best

[dull scroll]

PF is sus, lots of other weapons from team already can brittle, plus the duration is short af

[crisp ether]

It helps against crushers and bulwarks but really, you'd just want to bring a melee that can deal with those. Preferably with uncanny so it also helps the fire dot do more damage so...

🤷‍♀️

The brittleness otherwise doesn't really do much

[half turtle]

man i've been playing a bunch of brittle trauma with the debuff indicator mod and boy do i shoot off lots of 17.5% blasts

[crisp ether]

You know. I guess that's one thing trauma does do well in Havoc. Brittle trauma ain't bad at all for supporting your team doing damage.

[half turtle]

oh yeah but i feel like i'm getting trolled by the charge-up indicator on the last 2.5%

[crisp ether]

Honestly. That has always annoyed me too

Just make it 20% at max charge for crying out loud.

[half turtle]

brittle feels okay on h40 but it can feel real bad depending on team ngl

[crisp ether]

Yeah you really need a team that you can piggyback off of.

[half turtle]

i almost always run it if there's a second psyker running fire but also people can be pretty bad at fire apparently??

but idk i just really like trauma and im kinda sad that final toll is so common now that they removed pus-hardened skin

you can definitely still play it but it's a lot finickier on positioning and feels much weaker into reds because you often don't have the time to charge up blasts due to needing to reposition constantly if the team isn't frontlining well

[stoic ice]

anyone know how much soulblaze dot gets reduced by armor types like unyielding, carapace, flak etc?

[dull scroll]

carapace? almost all 😂

[crisp ether]

Carapace basically makes soulflame useless unless you have brittle or rending

[stoic ice]

i just couldnt find specific % on anywhere so was curious if anyone had em

[crisp ether]

Unyielding and flak resist it some but not nearly as bad.

[rigid rune]

cara is like 90% DR iirc

[dull scroll]

might even be higher than 90, without armor pen max stack on crusher still do literally almost no dmg

[potent echo]

I take brittle/surge trauma on my FGS bubble knight build

It only comes out for one blast during bulwark clumps

[hearty wolf]

3:30am

Still not asleep

Someone shovel me

[jovial juniper]

Or... That

💀

[candid temple]

hooly, assail staff

[ripe obsidian]

I am, in fact, acutely aware how havoc works. Trauma's big boon isn't overwhelming with damage, it's crowd control and zone control. It's safe.

Also, red enemies don't have more HP or more defense. They're CC immune and faster.

[verbal thistle]

I feel like truma is best for red

[potent echo]

I'm gonna scream

[buoyant maple]

Vet guide btw

[crystal walrus]

Bloody hell
Thought the fire would do more against metal

[hushed pike]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-joe-pesci-pesci-what-gif-10718026964868693743

Why does Psyker have a veteran havoc helmet without faceplate in it's cosmetics

[crystal walrus]

Ran out of string for the faceplate

[hushed pike]

Psyker also has Zealot's inquisitor hat in it's options

[jovial juniper]

looks inside
Not vet's

[crystal walrus]

The vet chat is talking about peril rn so checks out

[ripe obsidian]

Why so?

[verbal thistle]

trauma is able to "stun" red

you can knock them to their feet and have them red on the floor

if that makes sense

[analog agate]

Swap to ds when red on ground

[verbal thistle]

ew

BB

with EP