psyker-class

[gray juniper]

Ofc not

[hearty wolf]

That's okay, I'll celebrate for both of us

Why me

[marble crater]

Because both of you dream weird things

[low rapids]

I cant make it so i can play a god damned mission in damnation difficulty without failing it

I am paired either with braindead people or am braindead and cant play this stupid class for shit

[marble crater]

Maybe it's a build problem, show it

[low rapids]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f72adb2-1284-4cf7-a740-d3ff1f8216f8/awe5hg-ert

got 171 toughness and 187 health

[marble crater]

Are the weapons what you use too?

[ripe obsidian]

You're right, it's the class's fault. Buff Psyker pls, Fatshark.

[plucky flax]

Tru

[ripe obsidian]

As Strahd, the whiny loser, says, "I am ancient. I am the land."

[low rapids]

yes, for now, im leveling the dueling sword and like the EK staff

[marble crater]

Then I see two bigger problems with your build, you have nothing to deal with hordes, as all your weapons and blitz are single target, and while bubble shield is very good and Elektro staff is very good, they don't really belong in a build togethe, imo. Elektro staff builds up a lot of peril and is best paired with shriek. Would also give you some horde clear.

Of course ideally you have a melee weapon for hordes and ranged weapon for bigger single targets, or the other way around

[low rapids]

The shield is to be more suport oriented of the team, it ffeels that the games i win i either am playing out of my mind and carrying the other 3 or they are carrying me...

Plus im still kinda new to the class so a little brething room inside the bubbler is great, especially when i run into a million gunners inm every game and they destroy me in a nanosecond

Now i swapped to blazeforce greatsword to level that one up, should do better at horde clearing, but the dueling sword wasnt that bad, just had to keep "sidestepping" while chopping

[marble crater]

You can play it of course, just saying that Elektro staff pairs better with other abilities and Bubble pairs better with other staves

[low rapids]

Yeah i get that

What i mean is, pairing those 2 is SO BAD that will make me basically useless in a team unless i make hero plays 100% of the time?

[marble crater]

Maybe not totally useless, but if you are in a situation where you need to clear a horde by yourself, it will take forever and will be a lot more difficult than if you had an actual weapon for horde clear

The longer that takes the longer enemy specials have time to ruin your day and if you are separated from the team, the longer it takes to get to them again

I would also make these changes

[dull scroll]

you don't need bubble in damnation lol, get more fire power

also ds is not a good pairing with EK

both are single targets

pair a melee that can clear horde like FGS with EK

[low rapids]

I was leveling the dueling sword

and idk about firepower, what i mean is im either carrying the other 3 people or getting carried myself, no middle ground, idk if its the people i get paired with by the random quickplay or if its me

I gor a greatsword to level now, hopefully it goes better

[marble crater]

Will be better yes, though less mobile. Which might be a big deal right after dueling sword

[dull scroll]

and not sure if your curios are like this, but if it is

those 3 can go

[gray juniper]

No offense but how are you carrying with all that single target stuff? The horde is all over everyone if that’s the case

[hearty wolf]

w

t

F >:(

[plucky flax]

I played surge and knife in havoc.

Got top kills

Creeping flames

[ripe obsidian]

Creepy flames

https://tenor.com/view/creepy-paper-nandor-crepe-paper-gif-14082230

[gray juniper]

You mean unsanctioned psyker did

[plucky flax]

Tru I'm not that good.

[gray juniper]

Few as good as him

[low rapids]

Sidestep and chop, idk the hordes died quite fast even with the dueling sword 🤷🏽‍♂️

[low rapids]

Dont remembwr what inhad for 3rd stat on curios but its not stamina, i think it was %health tho which is also not great tbh

[ripe obsidian]

%health is good.

Many builds use toughness/health/gunner resist. I personally use, I think, cdr/toughness/gunner resist in Havoc.

[analog solstice]

Tbh my best picks for curios is

17% toughness
4% ability cooldown reduction
5% toughness
20% gunner resist

Curios couples with talents makes you able to spam shields all the time

And gunners hit like trucks in havoc 40 so id have three of the gunner resists

[ripe obsidian]

Stealing my curio setup. >:(

:(

[analog solstice]

I run the same curios on every class tbh, i love ability cdr. Only veteran/zealot/arbites i run a 3 atamina curio on

[ripe obsidian]

Though I use one 21% HP in place of 17% toughness in H40. I've found it saves my life a surprising amount from things like Bursters. Without the HP boost, basically everything takes me down to 1 wound if I get touched

[analog solstice]

You kind of get deleted no matter what you have in havoc 40, u are super squishy fbut super impactful if you manage to stay alive

[ripe obsidian]

Curios are largely preference in the end. Whatever works for you. Some are objectively bad for high difficulties, like exp or dockets, but many are viable.

[ripe obsidian]

It is true. Playing Psyker is a different game than any other class. Arby or Zealot or Ogryn can get slapped and slap back.

As Psyker, you get slapped and you cry

My goal is mostly not to get hit. It works well enough. I often end H40 games taking less damage than my teammates by half.

Often. Not always.

Swapping to Shriek from Bubble has, oddly enough, lowered my damage taken on the whole.

[vestal trench]

doesnt vet also slap and cry

[ripe obsidian]

But my team often takes more damage if I don't have bubble.

[ripe obsidian]

Oh yeah. Vet does exist, doesn't it?

[analog solstice]

They look at me the wrong way i die in havoc, but you have a giant impact with the shield, massive horde clear and elite chain reaction and the talent that reduces you and your teammates ability cooldown on elite/special kill.

I noticed when i played with a psyker on my ogryn i could almost spam taunt continually just because of that one psyker talent

[ripe obsidian]

Vet does have more defensive stuff, like VoC and +50% TDR if over 75% toughness.

[vestal trench]

yeah

[analog solstice]

Veteran is kinda in the same boat, can have high impact but squishy af

[ripe obsidian]

Psykinetic Aura is very strong. The issue I have had recently is that Arby and Ogryn have so much frontloaded damage that I often can't get enough blaze stacks to get a chain reaction of kills.

Hence Shriek.

I mostly miss Veteran when no one has ranged options to deal with distant elites and specials.

[vestal trench]

the arbis have been doing that p well in my games

i notice arbi shares a slot with vet in my havocs lol

[ripe obsidian]

I miss Bubble on maps like Magistrati Oubliette and Dark Communion.

[vestal trench]

generally people on pf try to get an ogryn zealot psyker

[ripe obsidian]

Arbiter is Veteran 2.

[vestal trench]

pain

[low rapids]

im WAY far from havoc still on this character, im still struggling with damnation =/

[ripe obsidian]

Arbiter does everything Vet does but better. Except gold toughness.

[vestal trench]

psyker kinda forces you to really know the fundamentals to survive

no passive tankiness the way other classes do

most of its defensive tools require active/deliberate use

and you generally get punished way more for having bad positioning

psyker mains playing other classes high key just rock lee taking off the weights

[ripe obsidian]

Tbh, unless I am playing meleeker, I often view getting on my melee weapon as a mistake. Means bad positioning. Getting on melee means I am doing significantly less damage.

Example

[vestal trench]

oh and if you arent level 30 yet

or have a fully built staff

highly recommend just going assail melee/gun psyker

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker feels bad before level 30.

[vestal trench]

yep

[plucky flax]

Play bubble knight for real endorphin

[ripe obsidian]

Bubble Knight is fun.

I am not powerful enough to be meleeker in Havoc.

[hearty wolf]

For a minute I panicked and thought that was with me

spoilers: it wasn't

[vestal trench]

neither am i but do it for the love of the game

[ripe obsidian]

No, it was a random H40 on... whatever the library map is

[hearty wolf]

sycorax

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, that

[jagged quarry]

all that damage while spamming inferno staff charge attack?

[plucky flax]

Extremely based.

I've seen 3 or 4 other bubble knights not syllo and I in havoc on eu.

[ripe obsidian]

Mostly RMB. Some LMB.

And Shriek.

[patent steeple]

tbh, the only build that isn't meleeker where I use my melee weapon often is an EK build, and even then I only ever use Riposte & Uncanny illisi.

[verbal thistle]

https://youtu.be/kZJADYpnSL0?si=p8Vus670hQEx6WZn

I have obscurus psyker gaming

But it's gaze

Not bubble

[shadow kraken]

Can anyone help me with the frenzied killer penance? I've been trying to use the flame build for psyker but I keep getting my kills stolen by other players

[ornate hamlet]

Does ranged damage boost node affect staffS

[patent steeple]

yes.

[ornate hamlet]

ty

[patent steeple]

staff = ranged weapon, so the ranged damage applies.

[verbal thistle]

Does not affect trauma

And not burn damage ticks iirc

[ornate hamlet]

im inferno staff

[verbal thistle]

I think it affects the fire impact

That's it

[verbal thistle]

Sadly you forget this is

[patent steeple]

ahhh, good point...

[marble crater]

Maybe try gunker, that's how I got mine. Less likely to get kills stolen, as you don't rely on dots

[shadow kraken]

I'll try that

[strong gulch]

Try maps like hab dreyko where in the end event people are running from the horde.

[marble crater]

Exactly where I got it

[plucky flax]

The very beginning of relay station is good too.

[ripe obsidian]

I think I got mine in the train tunnel section of Ascension Riser

Also where I got the Zealot penance for killing 40 stunned enemies

[low rapids]

What blessings are worth using with greatsword? im guessing shred and unstable power are good?

[jovial juniper]

Avoid

Blazing Spirit

Warp Slice

Murderous Tranquility

And you'll be fine

[low rapids]

cool lol

[gray juniper]

It’s comparable to the Deimos. Yea it will go through a few zombies at a time if they are standing in a row, but it’s inefficient. Theres other swords that handle more in one sweep. It’s probably smart to level one weapon at a time instead of two

[plucky flax]

Yeah the best player I know use those exact blessings.

[ripe obsidian]

Take Blazing Spirit and Warp Slice. Two bad blessings overflow back to being good.

Like multiplying two negative numbers

Don't think about it too hard.

[low rapids]

o7 aye aye cap'n

[plucky flax]

If blazing spirits and warp slice work in a way that warp slice guaranteed crit with a special it's OP.

Free creeping flames.

[low rapids]

Yeah, i was leveling the DB only, my EK staff is maxed, greatsword feels way better, gonna suck when i try to level knife or something else

[ripe obsidian]

It probably doesn't

[plucky flax]

It doesn't.

[ripe obsidian]

Alas

[low rapids]

means wings in spanish

[patent steeple]

alas means wings in Spanish? funny, because alas also means down in Finnish.

[low rapids]

yup, ala = wing

[analog island]

I think force great sword should have a blessing that gives it like 10-30% rending based of special attack charges

So that it can deal with crushers better

Which is a weakness of psyker

Or would that be too crazy good?

[plucky flax]

🤔

You don't think it's already good against crusher?

[analog island]

It is but making it at least approaching dueling sword

Where it can maybe consistently get one in 2 hits

[analog agate]

Great thing about fgs is it doesn’t need rending. You kill crushers in 2-3 hits mostly. I ignore the edge cases of the one shots

[gray juniper]

You’re lucky Karien is asleep

[gray juniper]

You can buy all the weapons in the shop and directly apply them to sacrifices after each mission. You can buy out the whole shop and bless the gray weapons to blue, sacrifice each to its specific type and repeat the process

[analog island]

It would sacrifice one of either riposte or wrath which are both really good

Idk I really want to make fgs better because it's so fun

I think all the cool weapons should be viable.

In havoc

[jovial juniper]

With a force Greatsword?

[gray juniper]

Uncanny on smaller force swords allows you to pretty much do the same though

[jovial juniper]

Nah

[gray juniper]

Deimos has shit reach but it kills really fast

[analog island]

Tru

Demos my better ds

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-hulk-always-angry-gif-12625324

[gray juniper]

Idk what the trick is with the force great swords but nothing of either seems quick about handling crusher packs. Maybe that’s by design.

[prime elk]

Sorry what

You do realize DS is going to be nerfed in large part because of its stupid damage output

[ripe obsidian]

Finnish is a silly language. I enjoy it, even if I do not know it at all. I think "kahvi" is "coffee".

I believe Tolkien used Finnish and Welsh as inspirations for two of his Elvish languages.

[marble crater]

Why is reddit hating on ER again?

[ripe obsidian]

Because reddit is bad

Link me the thread so I can become aggravated. I've been too calm today. >:(

[gray juniper]

You sure about that?

Did this comment get enough upvotes?

If it didn’t, I can’t say it’s true info

[analog agate]

It is just a youtuber. I commented (not even disagreeing that the dps increase isn’t a game changer) and the dude is defensive af lmao

[marble crater]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/7tdSjXqugT

You asked for this

[glacial vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/aneurysm-hhhhomeboyyyy-kings-dark-tidings-saga-by-kel-kade-reaperleviathan-head-explode-gif-3022634959257200428

[patent steeple]

As someone from Finland, I can indeed confirm kahvi = coffee.

Then again, taikasieni (combo of words magic and mushroom) = hallucinogenic mushroom.

[tulip kettle]

okay so, whats the problem

like the testing is all nonsense but the conclusions seem pretty accurate

ER is indeed bad outside of specific builds

[loud girder]

kahvi is also coffee in turkish

[glacial vapor]

(Most) Staff builds? Lol

[patent steeple]

But those builds are the ones that use warp charges, aka the best keystone on any non-gun psyker.

[tulip kettle]

erm, plenty of warp charge builds dont want ER

[analog agate]

Only yours

[dull scroll]

who was it?

[patent steeple]

Penetrate The Soul is bad tho

[tulip kettle]

i mean, it was worse when it didnt work

but ER is actively detrimental

also

this isnt just like, my hot take

[analog agate]

Jaqbasd

[jovial juniper]

Hmmm yes

[glacial vapor]

Don't need to regen toughness when you can keep blasting and stop the enemies getting to you in the first place

[dull scroll]

the only staff build that doesn't want ER is inferno vent

[jovial juniper]

Fucking 10 % rending

[tulip kettle]

wrong

[jovial juniper]

😭

[tulip kettle]

straight wrong

[dull scroll]

k well list them then

[tulip kettle]

why would i want to generate less peril

[glacial vapor]

Why would you not want more dps at high peril?

[patent steeple]

Just use illisi or at least Soulstealer or both to compensate for reduced toughness gain.

[tulip kettle]

okay, prime example, blaze trauma

[glacial vapor]

It is not hard to keep peril high

[analog agate]

Lol

Blaze VB uses ER

[tulip kettle]

why do you think generating 40% less peril will do anything

it does nothing in the build

literally nothing

you want to be casting at 97 peril

[dull scroll]

maybe, just maybe because, when you are press r you aren't dishing out damage

[summer token]

sword

[tulip kettle]

... what?

[jovial juniper]

10% Warp rending also does nothing

Smh

Pick your poison

[tulip kettle]

well i mean its not nothing

[jovial juniper]

😭

[tulip kettle]

it is actually functional

its marginal for sure

[jovial juniper]

For Blaze Trauma?

[analog agate]

It allows for more bursts (I did the testing when ER came out). Can’t remember if it is one extra or more. It is somewhere in my history

[jovial juniper]

Blaze already does good damage overall

[tulip kettle]

this is actually crazy

[jovial juniper]

It doesn't require rending against 90% of the targets

[tulip kettle]

no

it does not

im not saying it does

but generating 40% less peril is actively bad

[analog agate]

No

[tulip kettle]

yes

[jovial juniper]

Yeah so Pots for Blaze Trauma

[glacial vapor]

It really isn't

[tulip kettle]

let me ask you

[patent steeple]

For some bubble users (because they lack the safety net of shriek), it helps with getting at least 1 more decently-charged VB cast in before hitting 100 peril, assuming you quell to around 80%

[tulip kettle]

if i am at 100 peril

[dull scroll]

generating peril is only bad when your build actively need high peril and can't generate it

aka inferno vent or bubble knight

[weary idol]

it makes it easier to stay at high peril while dealing damage

[tulip kettle]

and i quell down to 85

then i charge and cast

i will be at 100

if i am at 100

[dull scroll]

staff like EK and VB generates peril like crazy, it's delusional to think you need no ER to have high peril with those staffs

[tulip kettle]

and i quell down to 90

even with ER i will explode

so

its the same amount of quelling

[patent steeple]

Always full charge, or sometimes at least half charge?

[thorn cedar]

good luck dom, these dudes were ER pilled the day the talent dropped

[analog agate]

Because it is clearly better

[patent steeple]

imo, you don’t always need the full charge VB cast to do something. Around half charge can be enough with blaze VB.

[tulip kettle]

it, clearly isnt

but go off kings

[jovial juniper]

You can't explode at 90

[tulip kettle]

my guy

if you start charging VB at 90 peril

unless you release it almost immediately, you will explode

[dull scroll]

there also might be a case to be made if the alternative is some godly s-tier node, but unfortunately that rending talent is dogshit

[patent steeple]

Charge at the comfortable percentage of between 70-80, then.

[tulip kettle]

okay and heres the point

if you charge at 70

with ER

you wont be at max peril for nexus or warp rider

[analog agate]

Dom seems to be living in the old blaze world where you get one, maaaayyybe two shots off, then quell

[tulip kettle]

i just lolled

is fine

think what you like

you think peril is bad

[analog agate]

I do. And I have plenty of experience on VB to know

[tulip kettle]

i think i can never have enough

oh crazy

this man has experience

nobody else here has that -.-

[radiant frigate]

that reminds me https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQbPaBRvaJw

[patent steeple]

Does it matter, when the next cast gets you to 80, and if the charged-at-70 cast is a crit you literally lose nothing anyways…?

[dull scroll]

if you don't full charge blaze VB and is just spamming it for the stagger and fishing for blaze, not having ER isn't a huge deal in that case

think Ainz's 40 duo didn't have it

[tulip kettle]

HAHA

[dull scroll]

but if you use it normally

full charge and all

[tulip kettle]

you guys contradicting each other

[dull scroll]

ER is def needed

[tulip kettle]

amazing

heres the thing

[jovial juniper]

No one here stated that peril is bad

[analog agate]

ER is a better inner tranq 🤷‍♂️

[thorn cedar]

You have a strange definition of better.

[patent steeple]

Ok, now that is just being rude.

[dull scroll]

that said, if it's rending VB, if it's EK, if it's VS, if it's inferno, if it's EVERY OTHER STAFF, ER is pretty much a no brainer

[glacial vapor]

And this is all for VB

Tell me ER is bad on EK

[tulip kettle]

ER is bad on EK depending on the build

[dull scroll]

all for a very specific build and playstyle of VB

[tulip kettle]

urgh wrong reply

iu literally posting shots here 8 hours ago

of 2 shotting bulwarks build

[analog agate]

Dom doesn’t use a warp charge EK build

[tulip kettle]

ER actively make that build worse

it is warp charges

[analog agate]

Ohhh yeah

I forgot

Not dd

[glacial vapor]

Actual crazy person

Oh wait, we covered that yesterday

[tulip kettle]

we covered in 18 months ago too

doesnt make the testing or evidence any less valid

[patent steeple]

Tbh, I at least think that if the testing is made by an actual crazy person, it does make it a bit less valid. Emphasis on if

[tulip kettle]

okay cool good job everyone

[gray juniper]

What is defined by “blaze voidblast”?

[glacial vapor]

There's math & testing

And there's in game practicality

ER allowing some extra room to deal with surprises or big groups is very useful

[jovial juniper]

Blazing Spirit Warp Nexus voidBLAST

[gray juniper]

In doms defense, it does seem like the majority of people argue from the angle of stats & numbers as a finality. So his take is hardly different from that

[dull scroll]

His EK build uses gaze, that specific build actually doesn't need ER

[gray juniper]

Yea that’s sensible also

[dull scroll]

since you are riding on infinite warp unbound and can't blow up

[gray juniper]

I haven’t used EK in a while but because of the high peril is why I had one that was high on warp resistance rather than quell

[low rapids]

this is complete and utter bullshit, 5 games in a row i had to quit because we would fail and im fucking done losing damnation progress

[glacial vapor]

Or you could have used ER

[tulip kettle]

I never said ER was bad in every build, i said its useless for some and therefore actively detrimental due to the downside of the talent, gave some examples of builds where its useless and does nothing but damage your toughness gen in practical terms, and the rebuttal is "you are mentally ill person"

if you are doing some spam lmb EK build, go off, take ER and inner tranq, idc

go the whole way and take quell on weakspot

[gray juniper]

I just started using ER so I’m not going to jump in the debate like either choice is better and I have experience to know

Doing without it, I can see how it’s still viable. Doing with it, I can see how it’s workable also

[jovial juniper]

Pots is fucking shit as well

So pick your poison

[tulip kettle]

i agree

i choose kinda useless 10% rending on my EK RMB casts

[gray juniper]

FWIW I didn’t have ER in the 40 game played recently

[analog agate]

pots is a trash tax node is the problem. ER does something at least

[tulip kettle]

instead of actively harmful reduced toughness gen

[glacial vapor]

What are these builds you consider it good for then? Warp unbound abuse and purgatus?

[gray juniper]

Yea it is nice to keep volume of fire up

[tulip kettle]

ER is terrible for warp unbound abuse

[analog agate]

I don’t anyone will argue that point

[tulip kettle]

ER would be good with, for example, EK shriek

assuming you are taking quietitude

[gray juniper]

On the cons side, which I think Dom is arguing, you can tangibly see the difference on immediate damage when not taking ER and can keep peril floating ~90% almost the whole time

[tulip kettle]

i ALSO think, if the peril gen was -50% or better it would be far more useable

[glacial vapor]

You can keep it floating at those higher perils even easier with ER

[tulip kettle]

but at -40% you dont get any extra casts without correspondinglylonger quelling

[gray juniper]

Said sarcastically or no?

[tulip kettle]

no

it is terrible for it

[analog agate]

Good thing even going below that doesn’t really affect dps overall either

ER wouldn’t be good for the warp unbound thing

[tulip kettle]

warp unbound abuse means you just dont care about peril at all

[plucky flax]

Psykers together stronk. Pls no fight.

[glacial vapor]

You don't need it when you get free cast for 10s then trigger gaze again lol

[tulip kettle]

so the node literally says "gen less toughness"

which is my point overall

yes, PoTS kinda stinky

but its still better than "generate less toughness" which is essentially what ER says for a lot of builds

[gray juniper]

Yea makes sense

True and it’s like what 30%. Ngl the first time I read the description I was like “wtf. A strong breeze will kill me then”

I haven’t used it in rough havoc yet

But i can see how it works in other modes and its not as bad as it seems

[glacial vapor]

I don't find that the toughness regen is a big deal

[gray juniper]

Here’s a key issue

[glacial vapor]

Maybe in some scenarios, like when theres a boss and little to kill

[gray juniper]

Is it 30% from all sources or natural regeneration?

[thorn cedar]

All.

[shadow kraken]

Not working

[gray juniper]

See that’s a kicker

[marble crater]

Unfortunate

[strong gulch]

In builds where ER is relevant, the reduced toughness gen is more or less negligible.

If you're getting hit AND not killing or attacking, that is another issue.

[gray juniper]

Outside of specifically high havoc that can seem like a detriment

[marble crater]

If I could take ER twice, I would

[glacial vapor]

Take it three times

Negative toughness replenishment

[analog agate]

It isn’t if you don’t get hit or are good at killing

[gray juniper]

Dom has good takes regularly. Maybe there’s discrepancy on build choice but no one needs to be clowned over it yea?

[ripe obsidian]

I have never felt like taking ER has been an issue for my toughness gen, honestly. If I'm getting hit enough that toughness gen is a problem, I am probably dead with or without ER.

[gray juniper]

That’s valid

[strong gulch]

Ye

[gray juniper]

A single walker cuts through you anyway

[analog agate]

Dom until later wasn’t arguing about the 30% toughness. Cause that is a moot point to us. The downside is completely negligible.

He was arguing that ER doesn’t make a difference if you are at 90 peril and charge to cast.

I see his point. I think it is not of true gameplay and you frequently quell below and ER does matter then

[ripe obsidian]

This is a good video, thank you. For a Halloween session a couple years ago, I had my (level 18 at the time) party go into Curse of Strahd. I did not scale anything up to their level. They walked into Strahd'a castle, cast something like Forbiddence on the ground floor for 4d10 per round damage to undead, then stole the Book of Strahd and taunted the eponymous vampire about his diary. Then they killed him in 3 hits and put his coffin in the Forbiddence so he couldn't properly regenerate.

I like ER for juggling peril, because it makes it easier. I don't like PotS because it's like a 5 DPS increase.

[gray juniper]

Kind of rail roaded into the choice it seemed like

[marble crater]

Leveling my second psyker without ER after being used to it was dreadful

[tulip kettle]

yup you got it med, its just a shitty choice to be made

and i would say, i think there is no build that NEEDS it, though like sut just said, its a nice thing that you get used to when everything costs less peril

[gray juniper]

Before listening to people here it looked like the talent tree provided some options. After learning what the actual numbers pan out to it’s like the devs just gave illusions with a single possibility

[thorn cedar]

DD supremacy

[tulip kettle]

for the old classes its more like, if you choose this, you cant have this

the newer designs is more like "pick 2 from each section"

[ripe obsidian]

Eh, Psyker tree is better than Zealot or Veteran when it comes to choices. 🙃

[tulip kettle]

i hear this

but i will also say

played some zel

[rigid moss]

I think the problem is often that there's a few notes that you definitely want and then just getting them often leaves you with little other choice

[analog agate]

Welcome to what path.exe has been saying

[tulip kettle]

played usual variations of "the build"

[rigid moss]

Skilltrees in all games are often like that tbf

[gray juniper]

I really wish it was like this in the first place. There’s no playstyle choice that way

[tulip kettle]

we all do brother, and hopefully reworks bring them more in line

zel tree do be gabage

but

there is more choices there than people preted

and i played 2 games, with no flamer, with my own build and got top dmg

i think theres a similar case of "this is bad" black white thinking over there instead of "this is often bad but can be good with x"

[gray juniper]

The fact that a lot of people play with book does say they have more options than one

[strong gulch]

Also depends on how you play.

[rigid moss]

Isn't book pretty standard on high havoc anyways?

[tulip kettle]

book is kind of the main choice in havoc tbh, for obvious reasons

[rigid moss]

That was the impression I was under

[tulip kettle]

even without the +30% dmg node

then you consider +30% base damage for all 4 team mates and it becomes a no brainer

[strong gulch]

The better at the game you are or the more consistently aggressive you can be means you need meta less.

[jovial juniper]

Not really

[gray juniper]

Ainz write up says throwing knife and charge is the ability route you want

So I guess it’s who you ask?

[jovial juniper]

It was prevalent on havoc 1.0 because every shooter was a terminator

[tulip kettle]

but "the build" is always blazing piety and the right side of the top of the tree

[rigid moss]

One last thing about builds because that's also a thing for most games: I think there's a big difference between designing a skilltree viable for average gameplay versus designing a skilltree viable for the top 5% of all players.

[gray juniper]

T1000 laser gun

[jovial juniper]

But now havoc 2.0 is boss spam and you're better off with damage from chastise

[strong gulch]

I know little of zealot and even I know tknife and charge is the path.

[jovial juniper]

Or in rare cases

[rigid moss]

I think psyker is a good example of where in mainstream you can play near anything up to auric even but once you go into havoc, it looks very different from that.

[jovial juniper]

Shroudfield

💀

[rigid moss]

hmm

[ripe obsidian]

Book is to Havoc what Bubble is to Havoc. Meta choice, defensive choice, but not mandatory if you know what you're doing. And if you trust your team to survive.

[rigid moss]

okay, taking your word for it

[strong gulch]

Epic Cole and Meow are who I think of for zealot things.

[tulip kettle]

and the node that gives "1% of dmg taken is turned to cd reduction" is considered trash tier for obvious reasons

yeah as above, book is the bubble and chastise is the scream/gaze

and shroud is just griefing

oh 6 crushers and 4 bulwarks that i cant handle? my psyker would LOVE the aggro from those

[ripe obsidian]

I did most damage in an H40 on a Chastise Relic build. I also had 3 teammates with defensive abilities, so eh. They empowered me to be a lunatic.

[tulip kettle]

so six, you know the node above martyrdom

[jovial juniper]

The funnel strategy

[tulip kettle]

that gives cdr for dmg taken

[jovial juniper]

"Go, do a crime"

[tulip kettle]

one of the worst nodes on any tree in the game right?

[jovial juniper]

Oh Marty's Purpose?

Yeah

[tulip kettle]

i think thats what its called

yeah see eveyone has the same opinion

me included

BUT

i did a build around of it

1 wound curio, 2 21%hp curios, and a well planned talent tree

[ripe obsidian]

I would say yes, it is quite bad, especially compared with the other two CDR nodes

[tulip kettle]

shit is actually broken

yeah its terrible

which is why everyone always takes crit cdr reduction and piety

but like i say, i did the above

with martyrdom ofc

[ripe obsidian]

Getting more HP, if anything, makes that node weaker.

[tulip kettle]

disagree and allow me to explain

[ripe obsidian]

It's 1% per 1% HP damage taken, no?

Or 1% cdr per 1 HP damage?

[tulip kettle]

no

per hp d,mg

[ripe obsidian]

Ah, I was misremembering, then

I thought it was 1% CDR per 1% max HP taken

[tulip kettle]

so with 1 wound curio and 2 hp curios i had around 350 max hp

with 5 wounds obviously

[pale prairie]

Ah yes martyrdom discussion in the Psyker class thread

[tulip kettle]

you are essentially playing with 90 hp that refreshes every 2 mins

[ripe obsidian]

Dang, here I forgot we're only allowed to talk about one class here.

[marble crater]

We need to distract from the ER discussion earlier

[gray juniper]

Tbh it’s no different when vet pulls that move either. Real anti social hours running that

[analog agate]

We are decompressing

[glacial vapor]

You think people would go to Zealot chat to discuss Zealot builds?

[tulip kettle]

but you are always getting 4 wounds worth of martyrdom up

[pale prairie]

For a second I was like “PSYKER REWORK?!?”

[tulip kettle]

so 32% base dmg buffs

perma 32% base dmg and 90 secs of ability cd every 2 mins

pretty good, actually.

[ripe obsidian]

I think the crit CDR node is... 400% CDR for 4 seconds or something?

[tulip kettle]

its effect is you get 1 second off book per crit that procs once every 4 seconds

[glacial vapor]

But you have to play in a way that until death is mostly on cooldown.

This is a true martyrdom build

[tulip kettle]

idk how it works with chastise

[ripe obsidian]

Not quite.

200% cdr for 4 seconds every crit

So 4 second = 8 seconds of time passing

Sorry, 12 seconds

"When hitting enemies with critical melee attacks, reduces the remaining ability cooldown by 2s per second for 4 seconds additionally to Zealot's base ability cooldown rate of 1s per second. This results in a total cooldown reduction of 12s per proc (4s from base rate + 4x2s from talent); can be refreshed during active duration."

[tulip kettle]

i didnt realise it stacked with base

but still this is just

not adressing my point at all

i never said piety and crits wasnt good

theres a reason everyone runs it

but im saying, the automatic dismissal of that node is bad when there are specific builds that it works very well with

[gray juniper]

This is smart af

[ripe obsidian]

My point is mostly that the Zealot tree has some weird power imbalances that make deviating from the meta feel more punishing than in some other classes.

[tulip kettle]

i think the meta is just the most obvious and braindead way to play, and asking most people to be intentionally playing with Until death on cd is not the thing to ask

[ripe obsidian]

I'd be concerned if most players were going for a Martyrdom cdr build, and I would expect to be picking them off the ground 8x a mission

[tulip kettle]

i mean i ended the misison with 1.3k dmg taken and 0 downs

i posted the shot here yesterday

yes its weird to intentionally take dmg and stuff

but 32% base dmg does things to a man

oooooo your piety build gives you some increased crit chance and cdr and maybe TDR if youre a puss?

say hello to 32% base

[ripe obsidian]

Most players can't edge the line well.

[summer token]

i need to get through the 15 missions in a row without being downed penance

[ripe obsidian]

I had a Martyrdom Zealot the other day who did fine damage, but they were down like 5 times.

More damage than anyone but me, but also constantly dead

[summer token]

i was at 13 earlier and my teammate blew me off the edge with a barrel

[tulip kettle]

yeah that can be annoying, ngl when i was making and refining the build i had some pretty painful games

[glacial vapor]

I shouldn't laugh because that is incredibly painful but

[ripe obsidian]

My 15th game the first time I tried that got ended by a Spawn throwing me through a wall.

[summer token]

it always gets ruined by something dumb it's like a law or something

[analog agate]

Play VB. Always 👏 Be👏 Blasting👏 in front of you. That way, you blow your teammates off the map

[tulip kettle]

clandestinium gloriana

extra bursters extra barrels

trauma

[summer token]

i'm just going to do it on clubgryn in malice so it's impossible to die

[summer token]

spam light attack for 25 minutes and win

[analog agate]

I intentionally do this btw now. No joke. Cause that explosion dmg thing they edited messed with VB. Not subtlety on avoiding barrels anymore

[strong gulch]

Nope

gotta look out for every barrel now

[tulip kettle]

in beans defence

he did ping the barrel with enemy

[analog agate]

He*

[jovial juniper]

Have you heard of the totally meta martyrdom psyker

[paper oriole]

I just failed "dont die in 10 auric mission in a row" on 9th mission :/
Ehh, they joy of being butchered by pox bombers 💔

[strong gulch]

I specifically put that danger marker on a quick dedicated tag because of the change. lmao

[glacial vapor]

2 wounds, 1 hit from death

Psyker is always on the same health as martyrdom zealot

[analog agate]

I mean. Nothing you can do. Can’t blame people for not noticing either haha

[gray juniper]

Psssssstttt have you seen how folks are playing on malice lately? I tried one game on Sunday for that penance. Stopped immediately

[pale prairie]

Give me whatever nodes let them knife zealot Zamboni to the end of the level while I deal with back hordes and I’ll be satisfied

[summer token]

time to gamble my life savings for a perfect voidblast

[marble crater]

I see, how come I didn't see those markers when you tried to barrel me, multiple times

[jovial juniper]

5 wounds
Crystalline Will

[analog agate]

I am sure I annoy people in my games now unless they modded the VB blast noise out

[gray juniper]

What exactly?

[pale prairie]

Happened to me yesterday cause I got dogged and nobody wanted to stop it…or rez me

[glacial vapor]

If only arbites had VB. This would already be fixed

[analog agate]

I am always blasting or shooting every. Barrel. Because VB now counts as hitting barrels FAR outside of its cast radius

[strong gulch]

Because you were lurking behind me a specter. No one is behind me. I'll just explode this if we have to back track.

It did it for the greater good and adhd things. 😭

[tulip kettle]

unironically considering crystalline will for one of my builds

[gray juniper]

THERES A HOWL IN THIS VIDEO

[tulip kettle]

biggest danger is blowing myself up

[jovial juniper]

Hmmm
Crystalline Will tooltip doesn't state the cool down

[analog agate]

You are giving Rat validation with that pick

[paper oriole]

Must the same teammates

[jovial juniper]

Class so mid it doesn't have VB

[marble crater]

You looked right at me, waited until I was right next to the barrel and then hit it

[glacial vapor]

If you aren't let down by your teammates on an Auric exemplar run, you haven't truly got the penance tbh

[analog agate]

Oh I get what you mean. Yeah, 15 auric was harder than 5 mael cause of barrels

[marble crater]

#psyker-class message

[gray juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/sunglass-lunette-gif-21828931

[hearty wolf]

Zzz

[glacial vapor]

Barrels, ignoring dogs, ignoring nets. All the good stuff

[gray juniper]

Ok yea. Noticed that. It’s pretty bad about always hitting them

[strong gulch]

The video shows that VB rmb ignites or explodes barrels from really far away.

The screenshot with the red dot is about where you used to be able to blast without igniting a barrel.

[gray juniper]

Tbh that’s incredibly toxic. No way they’re that busy

[gray juniper]

No wonder I can’t not ignore them now

[strong gulch]

It does look like that. But I hit it before you moved towards it. 😭

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/shit-pile-jeff-goldbum-gif-14263596

[pearl viper]

does staff smite count for the killing enemies stunned by smite or does it have to be the blitz?

[jovial juniper]

Pretty sure it has to be the blitz

[glacial vapor]

It has to be the blitz

[jovial juniper]

What I'm not sure if it's any kill under the blitz

[pearl viper]

thanks

[glacial vapor]

But it doesn't have to be your smite

You just need it on your build lol

[pearl viper]

it just has to be enemies killed after being smited lol

[jovial juniper]

Hmm
I do wonder if Charged Strike works on it

[gray juniper]

“I am the blitz”

[pearl viper]

i’m gonna have trouble doing the other psyker penances cause the flame staff plus upgraded brain burst is addicting

[summer token]

it can't be worse than the people that got hard carried through heresy and are now running around damnation without knowing their button to block or dodge

[gray juniper]

It’s equivalent I’d say

[rigid iris]

Whats vb

[hearty wolf]

You don't need dodge or block

just fire

🔥

[analog agate]

Voidblast staff

[rigid moss]

I just had a vet in my game that just didnt LMB.

8.9k dmg after 10 minutes in the mission.

So I take the one that fires but doesnt dodge over that one.

[rigid iris]

Oh kk

[rigid moss]

idk if he was high or what

[summer token]

there's no way this game really doing this right now

[hearty wolf]

@strong gulch gam?

[strong gulch]

ok

[rigid iris]

Like.....didn't even melee? Huh

[hearty wolf]

@ripe obsidian work?

[rigid moss]

he was walking and occasionally pressed F

[summer token]

590k coins and not a single voidblast with below 65 warp resist

[rigid moss]

I didn't understand it either.

I suppose he was drunk or something

[rigid iris]

That is like profoundly unlucky

How

[hearty wolf]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1045852632687849602

[gray juniper]

Martyrdom psyker is the joke of the day though

[summer token]

that takes effort

1 voidstrike ball comes close to that in a hoard

maybe even does more than 8.9k

[pale prairie]

What’s the consensus on the Anticipation node? Any good or a waste?

[gray juniper]

Btw the biggest problem you’ll see now is people never ever ever ever ever ever turn around

[summer token]

i turn around

[gray juniper]

So if you’re trying to have a clean run and a trapper shows up to the rear-you’re handling it, flamer-you, dog-you, crusher-you

[hearty wolf]

@gray juniper

havoc

[gray juniper]

Daytide is bad though. This is probably why it went poorly

[gray juniper]

I’ll give it a shot

[hearty wolf]

how long

[gray juniper]

Give me a minute

I’m online now

[hearty wolf]

o7

[marble crater]

It's okay, usually not along the path of builds people play, so it's not even considered and it's certainly not worth it to path to it from the left side

[jovial juniper]

Adjacent to Waste

[rigid moss]

finally

that took way too long 🙄

[ripe obsidian]

It is 3pm here, so yeah

Currently in Meetingtide, which is less fun than it sounds, and it already sounds miserable.

[crisp lily]

The fire staff feels so shit

What am I doing wrong?

It didn't even stagger basic horde enemies

Everyone keeps talking about the stagger...

Where stagger?

[rigid moss]

left click staggers everything mauler and below. Right click apparently doesnt stagger, but does massive amounts of suppression

tl;dr: LMB when needing space or when walking, RMB to clear

[marble crater]

You are playing inferno

[hearty wolf]

@gray juniper we take smol break

[summer token]

i just played a round where despite me pinging the 4 crushers that were whooping my ass my team kept running ahead, then had the audacity to ask me why i didn't ping them after i died

[gray juniper]

Dawg ngl im gonna take a nap probably

I’m mad sleepy

[crisp lily]

I give up the inferno staff

It's so shit

[tulip kettle]

it sucks below high havioc i agree

[marble crater]

It's not shit, it's very strong at what it does. It's just boring to play, imo

[crisp lily]

It literally didn't stagger fuckall

[hearty wolf]

final toll

🔔

[gray juniper]

Let l

[tulip kettle]

it staggers only what your crosshair is on

its kind of picky about it

[gray juniper]

I want to do more but now isn’t the right time. Definitely too sleepy to concentrate

That lethargy is hitting

[rigid moss]

I mean... go to meat grinder, get in front of rager, do lmb, see stagger

[marble crater]

The animation being so big and "lagging" behind doesn't help things

[tulip kettle]

yeah inferno is so weird with how out of sync everything feels

[proper osprey]

i gave him a nice haircut

[plain elbow]

is there a meta relevant build for the blaze force greatswords or is it mostly just bubble builds with inferno staff?

[marble crater]

You can play gunker or bubble knight

[gray juniper]

Let’s see what 2pm tide is hitting on before the nap to amuse myself

[rigid moss]

Bubble Knight good. Alternatively, you can also relatively easily run EK staff with FGS

[tulip kettle]

yup

tbh

FGS fits with everything

[jovial juniper]

Force Greatsword is basically a generalist so it'll pair with basically 90% of the builds

[analog agate]

I use it with EK

[rigid moss]

I wouldn't use it with Inferno tbf

[tulip kettle]

it just misses out on uncanny for use with inferno

[rigid moss]

yeah

[plain elbow]

i'm leveling a psyker now so i wasn't sure if it was like zealot where there's only 1 "meta" build and variation in that or more varied

[tulip kettle]

psyker is pretty cool in that there are lots of good builds

there is just 1 "meta" build for high havoc that tends to perform better than the rest

[rigid moss]

I mean, as a baseline, there's defensive Inferno / Bubble build, there's Bubble Knight and there's EK/DPS build at the very least.

And if you want to have fun on lower difficulties, you can play more or less everything

smite, assail, whatever

[marble crater]

If you are leveling psyker just ignore staves and embrace Assail

[summer token]

i like assail more than smite

[rigid moss]

I think everybody does

smite is super boring

[tulip kettle]

assail becomes so addicting

[rigid moss]

assail is really fun

[tulip kettle]

get used to playing with it, then im playing a build with bb and the ragers come

[summer token]

sending 5 into a horde and that horde no longer exists

[rigid moss]

but not really great at high difficulties (outside of bubble knight but there its mostly used for peril generation)

[upper sun]

wiffed 4 hits noob

[rigid moss]

smite in and on itself falls off pretty hard on higher difficulties I feel

[tulip kettle]

its also just amazing to throw a single assail at a time between strikes in melee combat

[proper osprey]

[tulip kettle]

stagger stuff

[upper sun]

u heard me

go back to heavy sword NOOB

[proper osprey]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/Gt2IwINWAAAbK07.gif

[tulip kettle]

and yeah i showed the other day it took more than 16 seconds to kill a mixed horde in havoc with EP smite

[marble crater]

Yeah, you tell him

[plain elbow]

thank you guys, are the builds on gameslantern mostly decent or is there a better resource for knowing what talents are worth it?

[proper osprey]

playing melee psyker now

[tulip kettle]

i think its damage is pretty funny in lower difficulties but then you get to havoc and smite doesnt stun the enemies and also doesnt dmg them and its just like, what is this even for

[proper osprey]

wif tac axe

[marble crater]

Check the second pin here

[jovial juniper]

It falls off at high havoc and that's basically it

[green grove]

would i want warp slice or shred on a crit/soul blaze greatsword

[marble crater]

Gameslantern builds are either good or bad

[proper osprey]

not really ask around in chats

[tulip kettle]

you dont want a crit soulblaze greatsword.

[upper sun]

I LOVE low IQ weapons like maul and heavy sword

[summer token]

it's been doing that the last few days, get the sound of getting a hit and the enemy doesn't even think about flinching

[jovial juniper]

Warp Slice can't apply blazing spirit

[upper sun]

nah theyre mid the builds pinned here are far better

[green grove]

i mean i’m enjoying it

[jovial juniper]

So shred or riposte

Does it have riposte

[green grove]

ah thank u

[proper osprey]

YOU have low IQ

[tulip kettle]

we have this every few days

it feels cool

but thats because FGS is cool

[upper sun]

@strong gulch homework upload ur builds to gameslantern so we can upvote them

[tulip kettle]

it doesnt do anything

[plain elbow]

thanks guys!

i can'

[upper sun]

so do YOU but at least i dont pretend otherwise

[marble crater]

That's good, unfortunate reality is that the fire doesn't do anything for melee

[tulip kettle]

put unstable power and wrath on as a good baseline

[proper osprey]

me veryyyyyy smart

[plain elbow]

i can't wait to hear more voices and accidentally suicide

[upper sun]

go play arby maul NOW

[tulip kettle]

but other choices like shred are also good

[marble crater]

[proper osprey]

you misspelled tac axe

[dull scroll]

the concept is super cool but in practice blazing melee is worthless, that been said fartshark COULD make it good like making the blaze aoe or something

[proper osprey]

ok ill use tac axe

[marble crater]

For starters, make it on hit and aoe

[green grove]

blaze spread on kill with wildfire works

[bright lichen]

Can I link a build I made?

[marble crater]

It works for looking cool

[tulip kettle]

combine wildfire with souldrinker

[dull scroll]

you are only seeing the warpfire animation and think it's cool, get this https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/137 and you'll see how it is

[marble crater]

Sure, we love criticizing builds

[green grove]

i’m not trying to play super high difficulty runs, i’m not that good at this game lmao

[tulip kettle]

allow blazing to stack to 8 instead of 6

[green grove]

aye

[tulip kettle]

allow warp slice to apply blaze

THEN its good

[bright lichen]

Would be cool for advice if anything can be improved I feel like there is something that can be changed but yeah so far Auric Maelstroms been fun with this

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f743f5b-4706-4f9d-b93b-6be509c7c091/shotgun-wizard-with-chainaxe

[tulip kettle]

until then, its doodoo

[strong gulch]

We were hoping for SB sword too.

but alas

[green grove]

the meta is whatever i think is the most fun

[dull scroll]

they should take off the wildfire 4 stack cap 😏

[bright lichen]

true

[tulip kettle]

the crazy thing is it almost never matters

[dull scroll]

with the cap, yes

[bright lichen]

I mightve made a mistake on bulwark stun part but forgot already XD

[tulip kettle]

even without the cap

it almost never matters

[marble crater]

Not commenting on the weapons as I don't play them.
Would take the movement speed instead of toughness damage reduction in sciers gaze, drop the assail add on for extra targets or recharge, depending on how much you actually use it, and get soulstealer. Assail without soulstealer is a crime

[tulip kettle]

because of how the blaze is allocated

killing just a few elites stood together with nothing else

you arent proccing enough PC to build SB stack

[dull scroll]

doesn't matter how it's allocated, without the cap you could add 1 blaze to 30 and make it 31 and that make it all worth it

[tulip kettle]

if theres lots of stuff together

the stacks are all allocated as one

sorry i interrupted myself to say

in what situation is there stuff at 30 stacks of blaze that isnt just dying immediately anyway

[dull scroll]

oh wait nvm

[bright lichen]

Dunno I feel like psyker is squichy as is and toughness damage reduction helps a lot, I get enough boost from distrupt destiny if needed. Ive been fine without soulstealer tho toughness regen wise

[glacial vapor]

Quality weapon combo.

I would swap melee crit chance on chaxe for something else though. That's of little benefit even on weapons with good crit benefits a lot of the time. And Chaxe isn't one of those. Better with one of the damage buffs

[bright lichen]

I thought about putting flak instead

But not sure

[tulip kettle]

flak is always a winner

[marble crater]

Suddenly dueling sword

[tulip kettle]

dont @ me

[bright lichen]

I love spamming assail as well in horde situations because chainaxe aint the best horde clearer with this setup

unless you have high peril

I wouldve love to get the 50% dodge duration instead of crit range immunity but alas missing few points and not gonna take those off assail if I can critmax them as well

[glacial vapor]

Can be nice with bruiser hordes. Not sure it gets much benefit off anything else

[bright lichen]

not sure if the cleave talent gives agripiina shotgun extra cleave on shots?

[tulip kettle]

usually you can get away with not taking the upgrades to assail, especially as you have warp splitting, so you could consider dropping one for anticipation if you want

[bright lichen]

I also mow down shields with this weapon haha

[tulip kettle]

but anticipation is one of those nodes that some people dont like

[bright lichen]

I had more success with it than relying on crits xd

[tulip kettle]

i think previously it was bugged and did nothing which doesnt help

[bright lichen]

Can reposition better

[tulip kettle]

i mean if you were to keep the rend on assail and drop the recharge

you could take it and still have giga assails like you have now

just be a little more conservative when spamming them

[bright lichen]

hm maybe, will play around more and see how it works out, though havoc sucks ass to test because of demotion mechanic

[dull scroll]

use the solo mod

you can test havoc to your heart's content

[tulip kettle]

you probably shouldnt be playing havoc in online play until you are ready for it

[bright lichen]

Im like rank 29 there

but dont want to ruin peoples games with build test

[tulip kettle]

i think, honestly

you shouldnt be running any build in higher havoc that isnt inferno bubble

until you have managed to win with that

[bright lichen]

thats the thing I hate that playstyle lool

it doesnt fit me to play xd

[marble crater]

Play Voidblast bubble

[bright lichen]

But but my scryer psyker

XD

[bright lichen]

Hmm, does it derank there?

[dull scroll]

of course not, it's solo

offline

[bright lichen]

Ah didn't think it work that way

[dull scroll]

it's not from the table, it's a mod

[radiant frigate]

inferno 🤢

[bright lichen]

She gets it

I want more cool staffs xD

[dull scroll]

btw, I said nvm because I was thinking low stack mobs can add stacks onto a high stack boss then realized the talent doesn't work that way
that been said, a somehow immediate dying 30 stack chaff would absolutely matter because that 30 stack gets passed onto the next mob, and then next..etc. insta killing everything

in said hypothetical no cap wildfire scenario

[prisma hinge]

YES MY BELOVED

oh... beloved...

[thorn cedar]

nice

[prisma hinge]

i was running the gyker with disrupt destiny

[crisp lily]

Alright I was wrong about the fire staff

[prisma hinge]

the "fan the hammer" Snub Nose is ammo hungry but fuck if it doesn't shred crushers

[crisp lily]

I must've lagged or something

I point blank shot multiple basic horde enemy and it did nothing

[prisma hinge]

odd

[crisp lily]

Then the next game, it did everything everyone said it would

[rigid moss]

Is k, we all learn and Darktide is not exactly forthcoming in its explanations, consistency or... forthcoming at all.

Just remember, with inferno, LMB for space and running, RMB for clearing, is really powerful.

[prisma hinge]

is correct

[rigid moss]

It's a pretty simple staff once you get the hang of it.

[radiant frigate]

swedish company try to make a 4 player co-op horde game without making it needlessly complicated in 132134234 undocumented ways challenge (impossible)

[rigid moss]

But at least they make cool soundtracks for it usually.

So thats something.

Anyways I now need to do cliffhanger and I really dont want to fuck around with smite for it

[radiant frigate]

just get it on accident

ez

[rigid moss]

I would need to regularly run Shriek for that

[prisma hinge]

get a homie with a tauntgryn and slab shield

go to clandestium gloriana

[dull scroll]

didn't the company get brought up by tencent, ask to import some asians to get this game fixed, cause the swedes clearly aren't doing it

[fallow dock]

Force sword push attack

[prisma hinge]

wait for horde to spawn by mouth of entrance

[rigid moss]

mhhm. I can see that.

I'll go try that

thanks

[prisma hinge]

guh

[radiant frigate]

last time i got that penance it was entirely accidental

[rigid moss]

not now, but tomorrow with a friend. Time for sleep.

[radiant frigate]

i was simply fighting by a cliff

[prisma hinge]

i was sweating and swearing my nuts off trying to get it to work

i got to 6/7

[rigid moss]

Yeah I got that on accident once too but then I bought Darktide on Steam instead of having it via gamepass.

So now I need to do it again. 🙄

Because transferring your account from one service to another (even if that account resides entirely on fatsharks servers) is too hard.

Oh well. Good night. Don't bake too many kids into Lebkuchen.

[jovial juniper]

Smite Juggling

[strong gulch]

A bunch of red ragers. 😭

Just die. Y'all got 31 stacks of SB and you're chasing me. Stop it.

[tacit sundial]

i just made a psyker wanna make it for help on havocs

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9db23fba-6c95-4ee2-9a77-70c96fb29876/fuplaayz-havoc-psyker-2025 what do you think about this build

[hearty wolf]

DS4 not used too much anymore compared to a blaze sword for deflector

Inferno should dump WR

Kinetic resonance is questionable

Same with Battle mediation imo

Would put those points in soulstealer and wildfire

[tacit sundial]

wich one you recommend me?

[hearty wolf]

No kinetic deflection is sus

Inner tranquility is strange too

[tacit sundial]

actually i was prefering using smite tho

[hearty wolf]

In fire reborn? Psychic vampire

[tacit sundial]

for more crowd control

[hearty wolf]

@strong gulch It mentioned the word

I can't help from here

[tacit sundial]

wich word

[upper sun]

vigil station ONLINE

[tacit sundial]

sweats

oh my

XD

[upper sun]

anyone wanna see if it crashes with me?

[tacit sundial]

i mean

if is not good-

[hearty wolf]

It's not that it's bad

It's just

If I played with a smite user, I'd turn my pc off cos there's no point in me playing

Also most people use kinetic flayer for BB instead of resonance but I dunno what you would drop for that

[upper sun]

exb A https://streamable.com/2i9zrp

[tacit sundial]

i can still playinmg for brain tho

[hearty wolf]

O right I see why

[tacit sundial]

just i was thinking

[hearty wolf]

You went quietude on the top instead of soulstealer, quietude is a nice pick but soulstealer dunks on it

You don't actuaklly ever use brain burst really

very situational

[tacit sundial]

i see-

i mean i got more used to crowd control cause ya know

tank things

XD

[jovial juniper]

Oh no
Smite is good

Too good

It's just really boring

For everyone involved

But that doesn't matter because Arbites is a thing rn

But that's a story for another day

[tacit sundial]

i use arbiter for havocs-

XD

so ik what you saying

BUT since sometimes

[hearty wolf]

arbiter is weak

[tacit sundial]

is needed a psyker

[hearty wolf]

needs buff

[tacit sundial]

welp i have make one-

i guess-

and good excuse to have all clases to lvl 30

[tulip kettle]

came back from a 40 run to see your comment about 30 red ragers and had to laugh - we passed but i died 3 times! kicked off by plogryn, blown off by barrel, and trapped by 30 red ragers in a staircase

[tulip kettle]

thats the problem, thats not how it works

[hearty wolf]

the plague ogryn kicking you was telling you where to stand

what happened

[tulip kettle]

IT ACTUALLY WAS

I LOOKED

i knew where i was meant to move

[hearty wolf]

[tulip kettle]

i didnt

it kicked me off

[bright lichen]

[tulip kettle]

we were trying to force one way

i knew i should just go the other way by jumping over the little gap

i was like, but what if i miss the jump and fall and embarass myself

weeeeeeeeeeeee

[bright lichen]

getting kicked by pogrin was the funny choice

[upper sun]

UPDATE

VIGIL STATION IS BUGGED

[tulip kettle]

anyway in an impossible scenario where there is an enemy with 30 stacks in surrounded by a bunch of poxwalkers, if theres 30 poxwalkers each one gets one

[upper sun]

I REPEAT

VIGIL STATION 75% CRASH RATE

[tulip kettle]

repeatable clad?

you know where or why?

[storm hollow]

what'd be the talent tree for the shield psyker

[tulip kettle]

depends on what weapons and staff you want

[bright lichen]

scryers gaze

[storm hollow]

blaze force greatsword and inferno

[tulip kettle]

okay, just quickly i would say, force greatsword is amazing and is life, but you probably want either the Deimos or a duelling sword mk 4 with inferno

[upper sun]

directly after the drop yes

staying in that area any longer than a minute seems to cause a crash

[storm hollow]

iunno the other night ive been told inferno was the best ranged weapon for psyker

[bright lichen]

well it is, but imo its the most boring one to use xdd

[tulip kettle]

really weird

all difficulties?

[tulip kettle]

it is in the highest tier content

all im saying is

the melee weapon to go with it matters

and normally i say force greatsword for everything

[storm hollow]

so apparently i needed to use the regular sword

[tulip kettle]

EXCEPT inferno staff

ill explain why in a sec

this is baseline tree for inferno bubble psyker

theres one in the pins too.

[upper sun]

only auric and civi so far

[dull scroll]

It is how it works if it chains to just one other mob, if you are talking about spread with no cap you spreading 16 stacks easy

[tulip kettle]

right but if you saw my reply this scenario is just impossible

when do you see the situation with just 2 enemies, one with 30 stacks, and one with none

[dull scroll]

what having 30 stacks or spreading 16s?

[tulip kettle]

if there are more enemies than 2

the stacks get split

[dull scroll]

2 bosses

[tulip kettle]

and no other trash at all

in that scenario

how does the boss get to 30 stacks

[storm hollow]

so if i want the greatsword's more for a ranged build

[tulip kettle]

ANYWAY yes you want to run something like the build above with inferno staff and duelling sword

its just that

with inferno

[dull scroll]

with vent and pc 30 stacks happens quite frequently actually

[tulip kettle]

you really want the blessing called uncanny strike on your melee

and fgs doesnt have it

[dull scroll]

as for 16 stacks, that happens even more frequently

[tulip kettle]

yes idk im done discussing it VECT, i just asked in what situation will you have just 2 enemies where 1 has 30 stacks and one has none

you said 2 bosses

i said, how does it get to 30 stacks on 1 and none on the other

you said

PC

think about it

[dull scroll]

I don't care about the other having none

it's a no cap wildfire

30 stacks transfered to another having say 20

10 more stacks at that lvl is astronomical dmg

[tulip kettle]

yes but its also just not possible to get into that situation without there being other enemies around

and the other enemies will take stacks

so like

what

[dull scroll]

absolutely possible

inferno vent? you murder hordes

except boss

then boss ends up with insane stacks