psyker-class

[tulip kettle]

if you play a LOT

and look out for it

you will start to notice it more and more

start with the grenades

[rigid moss]

And here I thought it was pretty well understood how spawns work when you're away from your team (i.e., the games will always spawn stuff if you're on your own, that's a thing), how enemies attacking you works in a horde (as in, you have so and so many assigned "attacker slots" that enemies can slot in, regardless of how many actually surround you) and so on.

[tulip kettle]

yeah all of that stuff is true

and none of this is testable outside a live game

so again idk what to tell you

[rigid moss]

But yeah sure I mean it can also be that the game director just decides if you are allowed to win based on if it likes your face in any given moment.

:D

[tulip kettle]

oh here we go

its not "if it likes you"

its literally just based on coherency, pacing and location

its a fucking algorithm not some divine spirit or something

and you can overcome it by just going backwards as 4 and killing everything it throws at you

which is what a lot of lobbies are

[glacial vapor]

And you don't think that this experience could be down to teams performing better because better players will typically stay in coherency?

[tulip kettle]

and so its a lot less noticeable

i tell you this

go into a H40 lobby

with 4 experienced players who know how to play at pace

if you go in a door and theres a bulwark

kill it, but then go a different way

see how your experience changes

[rigid moss]

This.

[tulip kettle]

im not looking for you to "debunk" me

im saying you can take this info as you will

and if you want to just dismiss me thats fine

all of this

was to explain

[languid tusk]

dude give up, you have been debunked

[tulip kettle]

why i dont like playing with dog arb

?

ok...

like i said just look at the nades

[gray juniper]

He’s not wrong about this because listening to “the game tells you what to do” changed my blessings, pace and playstyle. Now I’m definitely on the front end of any group playing maelstrom

[languid tusk]

I just wanted to share how cool my psyker looks :3

[hearty wolf]

This is actually making me laugh

The propaganda is spreading 😭

[loud girder]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-alone-gif-11375996495065887435

[glacial vapor]

I'm not saying that all you've said is wrong because there is truth to extra spawns based on coherency, the medicae slots and the equipment spawns.

What I'm saying is you're seeing patterns that aren't really there because there is some truth and enough convenient RNG for it to stick out to you.

But if you want to commit to dog racism, you do you

[tulip kettle]

the dog specifically is because the director treats it as a player for coherency

you dont see these problems with loner zealot because it just treats the zealot as in coherency

[loud girder]

loner does nothing

literally

[gray juniper]

Regardless of what’s debated no one can argue that the game is overtly designed around maintaining coherency

This maintained around team play

[glacial vapor]

Loner still triggers spawns lol

[tulip kettle]

yeah im not saying it doesnt

[rigid moss]

I don't think anybody argues that outside of the occasional loner zealot or stealth vet that want to justify their poor existence.

[tulip kettle]

im saying it doesnt cause the problem that dog does because it doesnt create another player for coherency calculations

and AGAIN, yes funny monkey pattern recognition brain

[gray juniper]

I think he’s right it and I’ll go further that I think it punishes you for poor team play overall

[tulip kettle]

just, look at the nades

then start paying attention to the spawns

then the voice lines, from your player, the other players, the enemies

[gray juniper]

How is it we can do a havoc 40 successfully and I never did it before, in the end it wasn’t anywhere bad as i expected, and pub games can feel like a walk through a mud desert?

[tulip kettle]

if you wanna make it super noticeable

run disrupt destiny

[gray juniper]

I noticed something through maelstroms too. The parties where everyone is running tight and watching out for others, sharing stims etc go a lot better on spawns and “luck”. The bad roll situations don’t seem to come up as much

[gray juniper]

Wdym?

[tulip kettle]

just play with it

notice the target selection

an obviously focus the selected target

[gray juniper]

It’s almost always a mid level human size enemy

[tulip kettle]

it will be the enemy the game wants you to kill

[last shore]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-space-marine-warhammer-warhammer-40k-stare-gif-15034398051697687266

[tulip kettle]

yeah im crazy

[hearty wolf]

To be fair, that game we played, I completely disrespected the signs

I do not give a shit what the director tells me

[tulip kettle]

yes i agree with that

[hearty wolf]

I tell it to stfu

[gray juniper]

I’m going to run gunker real quick now because of this

[tulip kettle]

and i think you can do so

[gray juniper]

Lmao

[tulip kettle]

on arb or ogryn

because it spawns 2 bulwarks and 4 crushers and 4 maulers to stop you

[gray juniper]

But it still went well overall because firstly everyone had a mind for team welfare

[tulip kettle]

and you just go "no, id win"

[hearty wolf]

But yea these patterns do exist and if you're running havoc for the first time, you should respect them until you can learn how much you can get away.

Then just keep trying to get away with more.

The only unwinnable scenario for me at this point is ritual DH + chaos spawn

[tulip kettle]

and again i think its fine to just force it by staying together and killing everything

[hearty wolf]

With no doors or anything to cheese, that shit is fucking impossible

Solo mind you

[tulip kettle]

theres quite a few points on most maps that you can get to where the bosses cant hit you and you can hit them

if we play some of them at some point i can show you a few

solod ritual DH the other day using one

[gray juniper]

Yea I would believe it. One dogs you with constant hits and the other grabs you

[quartz barn]

I assume using elevators / airlocks to break ai pathing counts as a cheese?

[gray juniper]

I only know of one because it’s so frequent

[gray juniper]

Idk a bon will follow you everywhere regardless so is it really cheesing or putting off problems?

[quartz barn]

I mean thats why i asked

Also not fully true, enemies can run into an elevator but not through them, so you can walk back and forth to bait them around

[tulip kettle]

BoN is specifically designed to be slower than you

[gray juniper]

Yea but that’s different than closing the airlock to end the boss issue that some people have tried to do

[tulip kettle]

and in havoc 40, weakened BoN will never spawn in front of you if you are the front member of the group

normal BoN as map trigger spawn is different

[gray juniper]

Yes it always comes from one of the sides or sometimes the back

[tulip kettle]

its a punishment used to tell the person at the back they are going too slow

but again thats just "a dark-tide theory"

there is a window here you can climb through into a room that enemies cant enter

jump over this railing onto the window ledge

okay im not scrolling through this video anymore, but yes theres usually a place in most areas where either the enemies cant hit you, or only 1 slot is open and specials need to come within melee range to target you. Its often near the start of a section if you enter the section through a lift or airlock or w/e

CIVI atm for anyone interested btw

[languid tusk]

our team got hit by a burster

how does the veteran have even less hp than me (psyker) lol

[upper sun]

bad base hp

[languid tusk]

I think he has exactly 5% increased hp in his build, the burster left him with 3 hp

minmaxed hp

[hearty wolf]

No values so it means nothing

[slate moss]

Im getting back into the game after a longwhile what's melee psyker like on wanna use the new greatsword

[rigid moss]

Bubble Knight: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7kvE2p0OOzw

[jovial juniper]

Bubble Knight be like

Making my way downtown

Walking fast

Scriers Meleeker be like

Rip and tear, until it's done

[glacial vapor]

Meleeker without scriers? Eww

[jovial juniper]

Yes beloved
I will kill. Them. All

[rigid moss]

What's the Psykers equivalent to a BFG? Wielding a Bolter?

That's about as big as their torso?

[hushed pike]

Holy shit bro how these teammates

I'm literally kiting both of the karnak twins and they wither and die to a single horde

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-im-too-weak-weak-too-weak-i-am-too-weak-gif-27278272

[long wharf]

wait, are people saying that the AI director is counting the dog as a player out of coherency for spawning crap?

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/mat-pat-game-theory-five-nights-at-freddy's-movie-fnaf-gif-7977763299378802749

[long wharf]

... mayhaps

but it has that "typical FartShack" sort of smell to it

https://tenor.com/view/that-smell-a-kind-of-smelly-smell-a-smelly-smell-that-smells-smelly-mr-krabs-spongebob-squarepants-gif-17867170

[proper osprey]

Sorry was me

[plucky flax]

@upper sun Control your asari gf

(Guess the original language this guy posted in)

[marble crater]

I don't count any cooldowns, am I supposed to?

[long wharf]

who's actually counting while playing?

[plucky flax]

If you were pro you'd count cd in your head.

Seeing a number is cheating.

[gray juniper]

This is true

[hearty wolf]

This has ruined me

I didn't realise I am a cheater

I might as well use spidey sense now 😭

[long wharf]

and the one that shows you pickup locations

[hearty wolf]

and health bars

[marble crater]

Explain

[long wharf]

there's a mod that shows a pickup hud marker for everything in the game

ammo, meds, crates, books

[marble crater]

So you don't need to open boxes to see what's inside?

[hearty wolf]

ye

I just wanted numbers cos numbers are cool

But I'm a cheater

I will find all stimms and med crates

[vestal trench]

why is it every time i see a pissbaby like this it's a console player

under reginald's balance vids it's usually them advocating for only buffs bc console hard

no wonder so many of them were so defensive about aim assist on apex

[paper oriole]

I mean, pc players get a lot of advantages. It is definitly screwed for them

"Someone who is in worse position due to developer is compaling"

[vestal trench]

that would be fair if they kept it at that

[paper oriole]

Same as people for as angry at FS for not fixing bugs before going on vacations

[vestal trench]

but no, they use it to discount people's play like in agent's vid and complaining about any kind of thing resembling a nerf

oh u use mods and ur on pc so everything u do is less impressive!!

?????

like wow thanks 👍

[paper oriole]

I trust on this one but in the comment above I don't see discrediting

Maybe one of "much easier" is too much

[vestal trench]

maybe i read it differently? the whole "lets do the same, on xbox and ps with what the devs provided you" reads super standoffish and challenge-y to me

[paper oriole]

But in general even if you have to put let's say 5% less skill due to mods with info other 95% is still impressive

[vestal trench]

of course the language barrier + google translate could be fucking it up xP

[candid temple]

i mean, healthbars are hax

[vestal trench]

yup, 100% agree

just cause you have the info doesnt mean you all of a sudden pilot better

i dont even use these mods, i just find it odd for ppl to act like that

i probs cant play with all those mods t b h

i'd be overstimulated

[paper oriole]

I concur, some people just use it as an excuse for their gameplay

[plucky flax]

[vestal trench]

i do empathize with how hard it is to aim on controller tho, i tried bow on mh world and wilds when i got my controller and i missed playing mnk

but mh is so much comfier on controller otherwise

[plucky flax]

Yeah third person action game is chilled.

I can't play stellar blade on mkb.

[hearty wolf]

Monster dependant imo

[hearty wolf]

I think it's too nuanced to have an approach on

Like

[paper oriole]

Soulslike feel best on controler

[hearty wolf]

Take spidey sense, one of the ultimate cheats

If it saves you once, how strong is that?

Because it doesn't matter if it contributes 1% to your total skill

If it prevents you from being disabled and potentially dying

[vestal trench]

im torn on spidey tbh

on one hand it makes it easier

[hearty wolf]

It means you stay up which means you can help your team

[hasty bridge]

What does it do?

[hearty wolf]

Which means you can give coherency and buffs and keep your team up

Which means more momentum

[vestal trench]

on the other hand it seems like a good provision for people who need the accessibility

[hearty wolf]

Which wins a run

[vestal trench]

it's like when fortnite added audio visualization

then everyone used it

Lol

[hearty wolf]

I also think healthbars is broken.

If you can tell in a pack of 6 crushers that 1 is low and you target it, you have 5 left. That could be the difference between running out of effective dodges from dodging an extra overhead that you wouldn't have to

[hearty wolf]

Puts a directional marker on your screen for mobs that you can set

So you can have it so it shows you if a dog/trapper/crusher is nearby

No need to turn around because you basically have a radar

Also makes it very safe to melee spawn doors since you'll know if a burster is inside or not

And obviously if you camp a spawn door, a horde is going to be dealt with much easier than not

The argument against is "Well if the game worked-" well the game doesn't function

That's part of the difficulty. That it's a shit game xd

[vestal trench]

yea

everyone's been silent crusher'd

it's a rite of passage

[hearty wolf]

I dunno if it's an ego thing though but like

"I wish I was deaf so I have an excuse to use spidey sense"

[vestal trench]

LOL

personally i kinda view it like spirit ashes/mimic tear

FS is ok with it

not my problem if others use it but i wont bc visual clutter

dog bleed however

it's patched now but lmao

horrible pubs during that time

[hearty wolf]

Yeah pre-patch it was silly but it's also part of the game

Would be cool if devs stepped up a lil bit

[vestal trench]

yea FS' biggest issue genuinely feels like frequency of tweaks

all the attachment to busted shit wouldnt be so strong if theyre nipped in the bud

offtopic but mk3 arby shotgun's mostly meant for mixed hordes and really thick hordes you need dead ASAP right?

if it's just a regular horde, just melee?

idk how ammo sustainable it is

[hearty wolf]

You should never really be running out of ammo for it

but ya

aside from that, boss killing too

I forgor, what's the special shell it has

[vestal trench]

didnt know abt the boss killing

electric i think

[hearty wolf]

o ye

[vestal trench]

my friend runs out of ammo but i think it's cause they use it on like

chaff

and hordes that dont really need to be dead ASAP

[hearty wolf]

but people like to run unyielding on the shotguns but I'm not a fan of tying your ranged weapon to bosses

[vestal trench]

i wanted to ask to confirm before i pass on bad advice

[tulip kettle]

i see some of the highest damage arb builds abolutely spamming the shotgun

[hearty wolf]

I'd ask Arb chat cos I don't test things, I'm purely vibe based

[tulip kettle]

like over a million ranged dmg and only about 300k of that on elites

[deft stump]

WDYM? I played only ranged in MHW on controller.

[vestal trench]

yeah my purg staff feels limp in comparison

im just bad at psyker probably LOL

[tulip kettle]

they can only do it BECAUSE you are using purg staff

else they would runout of ammo

[vestal trench]

the dash dancing fucks me up in terms of readjusting my aim on the head

[hearty wolf]

It's also basically trolling for them to use a shotgun for horde clear

[tulip kettle]

i agree

i swap to my sword to slash the 3 poxwalkers

[vestal trench]

bowguns feel better on gamepad in comparison to me

[hearty wolf]

they're gonna take up ammo to do your role for you

[long wharf]

yeah, the wide-shot exshotgun has good cleave, but it falls behind the purge staff in high havocs

[tulip kettle]

they die to arb shotgun blast

very cool

[vestal trench]

LMFAO got it

[tulip kettle]

just feels like getting cucked

[deft stump]

Oh. Should mention I heavy/Light Bowgun mostly. Only did bow because some ppl complained.

[vestal trench]

yea like im not gonna give unwarranted advice

[tulip kettle]

you made me press q twice for nothing

[vestal trench]

but if my friend asks

im def gonna say trigger discipline LOL

only arby player i see that runs out of ammo in havoc

[hearty wolf]

Aurics have too much ammo tho lmao

I remember when havocs didn't have ammo

[deft stump]

Ppl say I need to shoot more.

[loud girder]

mk3 is very very efficent as long as you're only using it on mixed hordes and not on every single horde

[vestal trench]

wait is the % of pickups on havoc reduced?

ik regularly tins do 15 and stashes 50

[hearty wolf]

LOL

Yes

massively

[vestal trench]

whats the specific figure?

lmfao im so glad i run helbore and db vet

[hearty wolf]

-60% iirc?

[tulip kettle]

idk but a small ammo literally gives you less than bolter mag

[hearty wolf]

it's more than -50, less than -75

99% certain it's -60

[vestal trench]

omfg

ok so

sin remember when u asked yesterday why me and my homies are stuck at 21

[hearty wolf]

yeh

[marble crater]

Imagine playing a class that needs ammo

[vestal trench]

they both run out of ammo constantly as ogryn and arby

LOL

[jovial juniper]

Yuh -60%

Used to be -75%

[hearty wolf]

lul

[marble crater]

Skill issues

[hearty wolf]

It used to be -100%

[vestal trench]

i never noticed how bad our ammo economy is bc of the lack of trigger discipline bc im on psyker or helbore half the time bruh

[loud girder]

they're doing something wrong if they're running out on arby man lmao

[hearty wolf]

Yeah I'm probably someone who uses the most amount of ranged ammo and even I hardly consistently run out of ammo

so

[vestal trench]

i'll let em know next time we play

[loud girder]

like the class can do hybrid builds so effortlessly just melee everything

[vestal trench]

another funny exchange we had

[hearty wolf]

Using ranged is a dps loss anyway because you'll have to reload. Need to have a reason to do ranged

[vestal trench]

theres a captain and twins

arby friend: i'll handle the horde!
ogryn friend: me too
me: GUYS IM ON FUCKING PURG STAFF

[hearty wolf]

unless you're mag dumping into horde with mk3 shotgun to farm

[loud girder]

i pretty much only pull out the wide shotty if the mixed horde is too thick

[thorn cedar]

I do it if the dopamine looks good

[loud girder]

valid

it does feel good to just insta delete things

nooooo you're turning off the game!!!

have you tried turning it on

[deft stump]

They are telling you to go burn the boss to death.

[vestal trench]

with those shields i may as well be giving the karnaks a hot sauna

thankfully i did bring obscurus

so between me and the arby rando it went fine

[paper oriole]

Yeah, in that instance it was the best it could be - saving your life but I don't think this thing is soley responsible for the all wins you get

[hearty wolf]

If you think about it in the positive, sure.

But if you think about it in terms of how many losses it prevents

[vestal trench]

forgot to reply to this lmao, people are still complaining abt bowgun in big 2025?

sticky ammo build my beloved

[deft stump]

Dunno. I haven't played in a long time. Last i did, people just question why am i contantly spamming stuff for buffs while being blind to their buff bars.

[paper oriole]

Yes, but my point is that a mod helping you doesn't make the game unskillful. Maybe it saves you from going down once but you are gonna go down later anyway due to a barrel blowing you in the abyss. Mod will make you win rate go up by few percent's, not from 0 to 100

[marble crater]

Not if you use the always win mod

[deft stump]

My light bowgun build has share effects. So... XD

[paper oriole]

True, but not relevant 😛

[deft stump]

It's my "support" build.

[weary idol]

I think Wilds marks the very first monster hunter game where Bow, Light Bowgun, and Heavy Bowgun are all absent from the fastest 3 times in speedrun leaderboards

Which is certainly fascinating

[ripe obsidian]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[vestal trench]

lol that's fine, probably ended up in sweaty lobbies or something 😭

the only time i wouldnt be a fan of bringing that would be those weird hunts with tiny time limits

[vestal trench]

what's the highest rn? is gunlance still goated?

[weary idol]

the only time your build really matters is if you're trying to solo those

[weary idol]

Charge Blade and by a lot too last I checked

[vestal trench]

holy shit

i gotta get back to playing it lmao

[weary idol]

but then I haven't checked since before mizu was added

[vestal trench]

i mained CB in iceborne

swapped to gunlance and swaxe in wilds

swaxe is so fucking good in wilds

[deft stump]

So they made melee better?

[weary idol]

Charge Blade killed Gore magala in like...30 seconds I think?

[weary idol]

Yes and no

[vestal trench]

i suck at getting the GP chainsaw transition and miss the manual way to activate it

[weary idol]

congratulations time attacks don't actually use that

[vestal trench]

which is weird bc i can GP/parry just fine on swaxe, sns, and GL

[weary idol]

they get chainsaw from mounting with ghillie mantle

[deft stump]

I dunno about wilds. Too ex.

[vestal trench]

oh

[deft stump]

If I solo, is heavy. Light for co-op. Bow is memes.

[upper sun]

GET MY WIFE'S NAME OUTTA YOUR MOUTH

[upper sun]

🤔 something slavic? (I was correct THATS WHY HES THE GOAT)

[radiant frigate]

shoutout to longsword for being so fucking satisfying

[wind wind]

They took auric heresy from me

[plucky flax]

It was russian.

[marble crater]

Same thing

[upper sun]

🚬 they took auric away from everyone

[plucky flax]

Liari is your favourite grill?

[upper sun]

i havent seen good spawns outside of cab melee

[upper sun]

toss up between liara and miranda

[marble crater]

You only like Miranda because of her outfit

[hearty wolf]

I approve

[upper sun]

ive only seen spawns like this a handful of times since arby update

[hearty wolf]

Ranged= afk

[wind wind]

"where's my spawns"...

[radiant frigate]

let me tell you about her huge backstory

[upper sun]

shes uhhhh also uhhhhh has a nice accent yeah thats a good excuse

[wind wind]

I like miranda because she's my right(s)

[deft stump]

Don't remind me... still sad.

[marble crater]

I'm listening

[plucky flax]

Miranda does seem to have the mass effect.

[radiant frigate]

miranda was specifically designed to be hot and good at magic so nothing feels earned

[wind wind]

It was the perfect place where the malice/heresy trash that tried to get their feet wet woth auric intersected with the auric Exemplars and ass's.

The heat in the comments was legendary

[radiant frigate]

auric exemplar and ASS also mean nothing

[plucky flax]

Sry it was me

[marble crater]

The design works

[radiant frigate]

i am of course semi-legitimately ASS but that is because i did it on zealot and you can't really count that

[upper sun]

she was BUILT for shepard

[deft stump]

Is a mess. You know something is very wrong when I have no ammo on my Zealot with Bistol often.

[radiant frigate]

miranda is epic i wanna be like her

[upper sun]

i got ass 3-2 zealot/psyker and 3 games i've had divine intervention to save me

[radiant frigate]

tbf the first game in the ASS sequence was the hardest game I've ever played because everyone ended up leaving and i couldn't finish the objective (because i would get interrupted)

until an absolute lad of an ogryn came in and joined and did the objective input after a few deaths

[upper sun]

🚬 one game i accepted my fate after having cycled 6 teammates and i got doged alone then suddently a bot came back from the dead to undog me and i got new good teammates

another went to end screen while i was downed and everyone else was dead i thought count resat but it didnt

[radiant frigate]

not dead just on the floor

[deft stump]

Cos it only nulls on death.

[radiant frigate]

last one standing = no fail

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/you-wo-joker-joaqu-gif-23924191

[paper oriole]

Does any title actually equal skill?

[tulip kettle]

@upper sun this is how i imagine you every time you cigpost

[upper sun]

its tru

[radiant frigate]

yes, Reject

[upper sun]

none of the titles mean anything

[radiant frigate]

only the truly epic have the humility to embrace that title

[upper sun]

the only indicator is the default frame if you see that know that the wearer is either really bad or really good and either way you're in for a bad time

clutch or walking simulator pick one

[paper oriole]

On my zealot I rock with no title and almost default cosmetics cause they fit him 🫣

[strange igloo]

the amount of people that just leave games for this has always been hilarious to me

whichever the title is that you have to go deathless

[radiant frigate]

it's bofadeez

[upper sun]

i have ordo docket cosmetics and the auric frame

i feel it fits zealot most to wear rags

[deft stump]

I have true survivor, you should see me panic.

[paper oriole]

I stared running auric on my psyker and there is at least 1 leaver per game, after going down. It ridiculous

[tulip kettle]

i left when i was downed today

not ashamed to admit it

[strange igloo]

[tulip kettle]

100-1 and then 0 from one dog with 3 of my team mates right there fucking about with nothing

just left the game, fuck it

[strange igloo]

I do like Havocs for that reason though

most people don't leave Havocs

[radiant frigate]

i haven't played havoc in uhhh

[paper oriole]

You mean, you brought one or there is one you get after reaching a certain amount of ordos?

[radiant frigate]

since whenever the first iteration ended

[strange igloo]

I played a 20 the other day

[deft stump]

Wot.

[strange igloo]

people only leave havocs if the team is actually garbo

[tulip kettle]

yeah this is fair, most people dont leave during the game

they just leave straight after

[upper sun]

no theres a small shop where you can buy cosmetics for dockets or gold

[tulip kettle]

which personally i only care about when they leave after a good run that just got derailed near the end by some nonsense

[paper oriole]

Sometimes you just don't have time to play more 🫣

[marble crater]

Bofadeez what?

[tulip kettle]

yeah thats fine

[strange igloo]

yea like people leave if the team is really bad, but most of the time you find out the team is really bad as you get overwhelmed

[tulip kettle]

say gg gtg or w/e

[strange igloo]

and then everyone is dead anyway

[radiant frigate]

bofadeez titles

[marble crater]

[paper oriole]

Where? You mean the something venture or the other one which uses gold (that is run by servitior or a person depending if you have reached level 30)?

[radiant frigate]

i love the docketshop docketslop

[marble crater]

Second one

[paper oriole]

Definitly, big fan of that. Makes the game much better

[paper oriole]

Okay, I must have missed it then, thanks for pointing this out 🙂

[marble crater]

Some of the free cosmetics are nice, most are not

[paper oriole]

That is fine 🙂

Probably there are gonna look better than a some paid ones anyway

A couple of them look like you a playing as an inquisitor, not a disposable recent convict

[deft stump]

Thing is, he's the bad one.

[upper sun]

yeah there

[strange igloo]

I agree. If you're already doing high level havocs, everyone there, more than likely, deserves to be there. Most of havoc is team cohesion

and they get mad when the team isn't with them (they ran off ahead of the team)

[deft stump]

I mean, he did just that while we hung back so... blep.

You know, sometimes holding position is better than running into bs.

[paper oriole]

I been doing some malice mortis ops and I lost more of them then of damanation ones simply due to bad teamplay - like not ressurecting when zealot is CC or stuff

[deft stump]

Cos malice is kinda soloable. So everyone just does that.

Then trappah wave.

[strange igloo]

which btw, isn't always wrong. If they find space to make it to the next choke point, the entire rest of the team could be wrong and he still be the bad teammate. You have to be with the team. If the team is on the same page of taking the next choke point quickly, his strat works. But 85% of the time with randoms you aren't getting that. You just have to play slower

[deft stump]

Hilarity ensures.

[deft stump]

I trust Syllo's and Chaos' judgement vs no name rando.

[strange igloo]

Yea the trick is following the majority. Especially as a psyker lmao

if you don't have peeling in high havocs, you can't do much

[gray juniper]

Hey this guy was saying kinetic flayer activates on pox bursters. That’s a thing?

[fierce crest]

they are specials

(im not sure)

just dont shoot them

bursters would never be silent

[marble crater]

Yes

Always shoot them, so your team doesn't have to walk so far

[strange igloo]

silent bursters are the worst. If any of you have a sound fix lemme know

[gray juniper]

Oddly enough I don’t think it’s been a problem in gameplay thus far?

[strange igloo]

[marble crater]

Entirely depends on how you deal with them

[jovial juniper]

Yes
Push Attack bursters

[fierce crest]

sadly the wallhack mod is the best way to deal but

[jovial juniper]

[paper oriole]

Just walk with a charged BB to be able to kill them if they appear

[fierce crest]

i use some cheat mods but that one is WAY too much for me

[strange igloo]

I really wish they could figure out the sound overload problem though

I get silent bursters and silent overheaded all the time

[mint laurel]

what is the difference between right/left click brain burst?

[fierce crest]

m2 charges slower but doesnt need a target initally

[gray juniper]

People have been blowing shit up in my face constantly in pubs so the reflex reaction is make space now which is the wrong reaction

[mint laurel]

same dmg?>

[fierce crest]

yep

[paper oriole]

Yes

[fierce crest]

you just get to precharge it

[paper oriole]

And persil also; in theory

[fierce crest]

so its nice for dogs and muties and such

[fierce crest]

same total peril for charging?

[gray juniper]

It’s good to use to catch their head while ducking in and out of cover

[fierce crest]

the m1 version is still decent for that

since you can lock on then break LoS

[paper oriole]

I read that it is, but it assumes you use the right click with perfect timing and don't hold it too long

[gray juniper]

Honestly I’ll use whichever as long as it catches them quick and I can start walking off

[paper oriole]

For this reason I almost always use left click, just and it is over for them

[marble crater]

I'm surprised people use BB enough to talk about the best way to use it

[paper oriole]

It’s fun

[glacial vapor]

Worth it for those 3 snipers I had to kill across the entire mission

[marble crater]

BB is a tax node for Kinetic Flayer

[paper oriole]

Are you havoc 40 with most meta build players?

[paper oriole]

I run cd reduction one with it - does it make it even worse now?

[marble crater]

Cooldown reduction doesn't affect Kinetic Flayer

Wasn't sure if that needed effect or affect, problem solved

[paper oriole]

Isn’t KF the perk that lets you deal 7.5% more damage to elites?

[marble crater]

No

[paper oriole]

Or I am misremembering 😅?

[marble crater]

KF is the Brain Burst add on

[glacial vapor]

10% chance to pop a head every 15s(?)

[paper oriole]

Okay

[analog agate]

Guy on reddit asks since when has wildfire and ER become meta. The usual reddit comments ensue

[paper oriole]

I mistook Kinetic flyer for kinetic presence

[paper oriole]

Then I agree with your previous statement

[tulip kettle]

weep psykers

[marble crater]

I only take Kinetic Presence if I'm in a pre-made and the other psyker takes the cooldown aura already

[paper oriole]

Seems like the best option 😂

[marble crater]

Jokes on you, I don't even know how to read this mod

[tulip kettle]

1.3k damage taken

downed 0 times

aiming for 2k next

why is there a talent that gives you damage when you or your team take damage, come on

[marble crater]

Why is there a talent called Unlucky for Some?

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/fax-machine-feed-me-recht-kommt-grundgesetz-gesetz-gif-11852174

[marble crater]

Did you search for a German gif or is that an unfortunate coincidence?

Fax machines are still very common here

[upper sun]

anyone with mmt in game rn?

[marble crater]

Did you miss a scab maelstrom?

[upper sun]

nah i think vigil station might be bugged i wanna play half of one

[marble crater]

Bugged how?

[upper sun]

causes crashes mid game

[earnest cobalt]

what perks and blessings work well with inferno force staff?

[analog agate]

Blaze away/nexus

Flak and unyielding/crit chance

[earnest cobalt]

wait

unyielding?

why?

[analog agate]

Yep

[earnest cobalt]

I never use it for ogryns

[analog agate]

For bosses

[earnest cobalt]

oh

is it good for bosses?

I always use BR for bosses

[analog agate]

If you aren’t doing aurics or havocs you definitely don’t need unyielding

[upper sun]

@tulip kettle do you have mmt?

[tulip kettle]

no unfortunately

i could just get it now but i guess it wont work for games i played earlier

[analog agate]

Outside of gun for psyker, an inferno melee combo is good.

Inferno boss and then swap to melee with uncanny.

BUT, having unyielding on staff lets you do respectable boss dps while also dmging any horde going on too

[upper sun]

nah its fine i just wanted to check if vigil station was crashing

[earnest cobalt]

what about blaze force sword?

I can never understand what is the sword's ultimate strength

so all blessings look useful to me

[analog agate]

Which version of it? Force great sword vs obby vs Deimos vs illisi

[earnest cobalt]

litlee

normal sword

[analog agate]

Illisi is for hordes. So slaughterer is your anchor blessing. Past that the usual is uncanny or unstable. Deflector can be an option on any of them as well for a secondary blessing

[radiant frigate]

uncanny slaughterer is the way

[analog agate]

The strength of illisi now is stroking to gain peril quickly. Illisi has been powercrept on

[marble crater]

I still like illisi

[radiant frigate]

i kinda do kinda don't

[marble crater]

You are blinded by the force wave of the greatswords

[jovial juniper]

Slaughterer Precognition

[gray juniper]

I mean sometimes you have to handle things if no one else sees it/is one it/or able to immediately take care of it

Rare situations but worth it

[radiant frigate]

no but i do think that with the dawn of warp-splitting the illisi niche is somewhat diminished in relation to its deimos and obscurus cousins

[fiery stratus]

i use bb to pick off about 5 specials per game when im using a build with it

[marble crater]

Can't stroke them

[radiant frigate]

yes very true

[marble crater]

If they don't see the threat, they deserve to die

[radiant frigate]

but also illisi sucks at ogryns or bigger targets

anything up to a mauler gets mauled though

[marble crater]

Elektro for ogryns

[gray juniper]

It’s amazing you’re not from northern Germany with these cold takes

[marble crater]

How do you know I'm not

[gray juniper]

Because you’re Bavarian like they said?

[marble crater]

The fuck

[radiant frigate]

bavarian?

is this true

[gray juniper]

My bad?

[marble crater]

Bavarians aren't even German

[gray juniper]

Wow

[radiant frigate]

bavarians are bavarians

very different thing

ask anyone

[gray juniper]

They seem pretty cool

[radiant frigate]

that's why they aren't germans

[marble crater]

[gray juniper]

This is classic German humor moment

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/elf-nonsense-elf-frieren-frieren-beyond-journey's-end-sousou-no-frieren-gif-2308403050531304831

[marble crater]

I'm from rhineland-palatinate

[gray juniper]

Wow that’s interesting. Never met someone from there honestly

[marble crater]

We kinda fly under the radar I guess

[radiant frigate]

become stealth bomber pilot

born ready

[marble crater]

Right, like our military has any of those

Unless...

[paper oriole]

[radiant frigate]

that's just how stealthy they are

(but leave poland alone)

[marble crater]

[paper oriole]

We have been at odds to many times, we both can use some rest 🙂

[marble crater]

True

[paper oriole]

It is better to play some video games 🙂

[deft stump]

Lift stroking is always funni.

[radiant frigate]

just be careful not to stroke so much that you explode

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-you-you-pointing-gif-9478893

[gray juniper]

Edging so much that I explode anyway

[paper oriole]

Edging for 30 minutes is hard, everyone explodes sometimes
Don’t be so hard on yourself 🙂

[gray juniper]

The limits of kinetic deflection were put to the test the other day. ~6 bulwarks had me in the corner like a jail room shower scene

[paper oriole]

Did you come out on top?

[deft stump]

But, but, but... It's in increments I can keep track of.

[tulip kettle]

chat

talk to me about braced autoguns

and maybe the shredder autopistol too

why do people like them? which marks preferred?

ive seen people saying "these guns are good, actually" but im struggling to see it

[marble crater]

Never really used them, especially not on my magic staff class

[radiant frigate]

no idea and no idea

there is nothing to like about them imo

"butbut you can spam this into horde and make big crowd control and stagger"

[dull scroll]

there are mechanically inclined players who are bored of meta weapons and want to flex
so they shill mid off-meta weapons, making both them and the weapon look good
taxe case and point

[radiant frigate]

they're just worse iag in my book

[paper oriole]

Lot's of dakka, ork mindset

[tulip kettle]

ive more seen people saying theyre good for dealing with the gunners problem in havoc

[radiant frigate]

tac axe really good on arby

but also fuck arby

[gray juniper]

No I got put 6 under from… exploding

[tulip kettle]

but surely its better to just kill the gunners straight up with the gun instead of wasting a bunch of ammo to supress them, then kill them with your sword

[paper oriole]

Better to explode then to be beaten 🫡

[marble crater]

Have you tried not to do that

[gray juniper]

Getting backed into a U-shaped corner? Lesson learned

[marble crater]

U shaped corner?

[earnest cobalt]

Just got my ass kicked at heresy mortis trials

Any tips you guys can give me?

[trail dagger]

mk viii is quite nice desu but if you bring it higher than regular auric i'm leaving

[marble crater]

Use gun, use greatsword and use assail, pick death dealing or whatever it's called, win

[earnest cobalt]

Death dealing?

[marble crater]

When you can select out of the three 'skill trees' at the start, one is called something with death, that's very fun when playing gunker build

[polar flower]

We need a Lazerbeam staff

[marble crater]

Reconlas is a lazerbeam staff

[radiant frigate]

yes very true

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/wat-what-huh-confused-kitten-gif-16578675544592554435

[grizzled steppe]

https://tenor.com/view/infinite-wealth-ichiban-kasuga-ichiban-by-the-nine-im-tweakin-like-a-dragon-gif-10336401465010050963

[earnest cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-thing-with-an-eye-looking-shocked-nosolohit-gif-5084550986372761439

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/explode-you-explode-fisk4-fuck-you-explode-you-with-mind-gif-25214416

[tropic mirage]

what do you think of recon lasgun on psyker ?

[verbal thistle]

gun

[radiant frigate]

good

[gray juniper]

I’m taking liberties with the word “corner”. If you have no exit we may still refer to it in English as being backed into a corner. Depending where you are from

[radiant frigate]

so a dead end

[gray juniper]

Yes

[tropic mirage]

would you have any advise on build with it, i use assail for crowd, blaze force sword for melee and armoured. But i need a distance weapon for boss and Monstrosity type ennemies

[gray juniper]

But not quite large enough to be a room. Just a spot

[radiant frigate]

ideal use case

recommend force greatsword though

[tropic mirage]

what does it do compared to the other ?

and any specific variant ?

[radiant frigate]

bigger bonks and less reliant on blessings, also slightly less mobile but you have reconlas for that

recommend mk6 fgs

[gray juniper]

The proper sword

[radiant frigate]

but it is preference

(you just happen to be wrong if you prefer mk8)

[trim fjord]

I personally love my bolt pistol that can wallbang. Only 8 shots, but with point blank explosive shot. I can back people up a few or use my melee to push. I use lightning.

[tropic mirage]

this is what i had just started pla ying again so the meta changed

[gray juniper]

You can chain heavy attacks endlessly and push attack then still use heavy swing with mark 6

[radiant frigate]

mk6 can also immediately go into strikedowns at any point

sprint/draw heavies, neutral heavies, after special, light 4

[paper oriole]

Lazer was my fav Sienna staff back in Vermintide, miss it so much 😢

[tropic mirage]

and for lasgun any variant ?

[radiant frigate]

the fast one

[tropic mirage]

xII ?

[radiant frigate]

12 i think

[tropic mirage]

okay i'll need to roll the shop now ahah

[radiant frigate]

check the actual shop for a good base before going to brunt

[tropic mirage]

i'll need money aniway and too see how the crafting system has evolved

[teal fog]

@verbal thistle is there room for me

[tropic mirage]

thx for the info ❤️

[paper oriole]

Can someone tell me please, which type of Force Sword (not great, sadly) goes best with firestaff? Perks and blessing are also welcome but not necessary 🙂

[verbal thistle]

obscurus

for the fastest TTK on crushers

Heavy light light

[paper oriole]

These indeed are fast kills 😮

[radiant frigate]

pretty epic

[lucid iron]

I KNOW THIS ARTIST

[lucid iron]

this might make me conform to obscurus... ngl

[frosty falcon]

im a big fan of the deimos light-heavy (poke poke)

[prisma hinge]

FOR MY BELOVED!

(kill 120 enemies in 30s)

[marble crater]

[prisma hinge]

i severely underestimated the effectiveness of the Venting Shriek

it is so good to get these filthy heretics off of me

[upper tapir]

Blows up gunner with mind

[vernal temple]

this thing is so stupid looking, no wonder I've yet to see anyone wear it

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/satoru-gojo---correndo-gif-3542481902885275990

[paper oriole]

It lack a rod or some other pulley system
“Sorry, done talking now” and they just closes blinds on you

[tropic mirage]

For a psyker build with survability woudld you focus hp or tougness ? (got lot of tougness regen in the build also)

[proper osprey]

I’d do toughness

[dull scroll]

what toughness regen, if it's that coherence regen thing drop it it's poo poo

[tropic mirage]

not coherance mettle dirsupt destiny and other talents

[dull scroll]

but yeah it's all toughness, some people add 1 hp curio so they don't get 1 shot by snipers

[tropic mirage]

txx

[marble crater]

Dodge the sniper

[tropic mirage]

question on the Illisi Mk V Blaze Force Sword, the special attack does go trought armor ?

charge attack*

wo would it make sense to add bonus dmg against carpace ennemy ?

[weary idol]

yes but it's still not super great at it

don't add carapace damage to illisi

[tropic mirage]

would you have a better pick for that still good for hord clearing ?

[dull scroll]

just use a FGS, it's just a better illisi

[weary idol]

deimos and obscurus force swords

or force greatsword

[tropic mirage]

fgs ?

oh got it

[proper osprey]

You use uncanny with it so you don’t need cara

Obscurus and illis both love uncanny and slaughter

[dull scroll]

heh, might still need cara if planning to engage crushers, at least in 40s

I tried to greed cara for 2 stams and had to switch back

[gray juniper]

Is anyone here a poxburster expert?

What circumstances cause them to throw you far when they explode vs a short distance?

[thorn cedar]

The tides.

[brittle plaza]

I would assume how close you were to the blast when it exploded.

[gray juniper]

That’s not always the case

Someone got launched in a game when they were at typical distance which was some feet away

[thorn cedar]

I think if your feet aren't already touching the ground you are thrown further.

[brittle plaza]

I think if your in the air you go further?

[thorn cedar]

yeah thats the human way to say that

[jagged quarry]

any good build for psyker using inferno staff and brain rupture?

[long wharf]

nope, none

absolutely nobody uses that lame staff

[dull scroll]

only the most popular end game psyker build ran by 90% of the player base 😏

[jagged quarry]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9daf78ac-d0f8-4052-a630-19bca491eb98/inferno-staff-psyker-current this one i guess

[long wharf]

oh look, google still works.

guess I was wrong

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dull scroll]

make these changes

and put flak dmg on the staff instead of crit

manic instead of flak on ds4

[proper osprey]

I should make a path for the psyker buildTM

If staff take these

If melee focused take this

[weary crane]

Anyone know if "No Respite" applies to the first shot?

[thorn cedar]

Yes if they were already staggered.

[weary crane]

What if its just a staggering shot?

[thorn cedar]

Then no.

Shoot target that gets staggered back, no bonus. Shoot target that was already staggered back, bonus.

[young cliff]

i have suffered a weird vision, i brain burst a gunner and for some gosh darned reason it didnt died, it was not even a Havoc but the yellow jerk just didnt died!

i saw the effects and all including the burst of damage but it was quite weird

[long wharf]

was he protected by grampappy Nurgle?

[young cliff]

doubtful, he was so nameless as a helmed Space marine dying in a novel

[tulip kettle]

i believe you

[long wharf]

which is worse, that you were too weak to kill him, or that he was inexplicably buffed?

[young cliff]

it must be unique AND lame, because as i saw it survive i Bslap him and he died

[low rapids]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9f72adb2-1284-4cf7-a740-d3ff1f8216f8/awe5hg-ert

Does this look decent?

mianly doing electro staff attack

[analog agate]

Not the best tree. Are you want to do a primary fire build or secondary fire build? We have an EK build pinned

[subtle sedge]

Anybody has a good Psyker build i tried assail don’t think i liked it . But im tired of looking trash in these lobbies

[prime elk]

Assails a beast

[analog agate]

We have builds pinned

[tulip kettle]

just drop battle med for soulstealer, lose warp battery for psykinetics aura, and drop essence harvest for one with the warp

[prime elk]

Esp if taken with middle keystone

[tulip kettle]

and it will be much more useable

[subtle sedge]

How I see pinned

[subtle sedge]

I’ve tried it man I couldn’t get the hang of it

[dull scroll]

what difficulty you playing right now?

[tulip kettle]

and also remove stamina regen in exchange for raw HP or gunner resist, its kind of doodoo

[subtle sedge]

Heresy

[tulip kettle]

generally with assail its a supplement to what you are otherwise doing, a quick convenient stagger, and way to maintain high peril

its not really a primary weapon unless you specifically build around it

[dull scroll]

if you really don't like assail and want a staff, then EK is the best

[subtle sedge]

What is ek ?

[dull scroll]

the lightening staff

[granite stratus]

Electrokinetic

[analog agate]

Click on the #psyker-class at the top and then you will see the pins subsection

[subtle sedge]

Is it good ? I’ve tried smite but it seemed like I was stun locking more than damage

[low rapids]

Like this then?

[dull scroll]

it's VERY good at the difficulty you are in right now

[tulip kettle]

imagine if smite did all the dmg to 1 person and only spread to one other person

[dull scroll]

and no it has nothing to do with smite

[tulip kettle]

it just blows up a single elite at a time

[dull scroll]

you also don't have to really aim, you just zap things and they explode 😏

[tulip kettle]

yeah looks perfectly useable for EK especially if you are the only psyker

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/come-at-me-bro-lightning-gif-9107665

[proper osprey]

Only thing I’d drop is the crit node for in fire reborn

[analog agate]

Right node of that triangle at the mid bottom and put that to psychic vampire in left keystone

[subtle sedge]

So am I using the brain rupture ?

[tulip kettle]

its generally not great

and here you go

some people saying in fire reborn

[low rapids]

aight bet, gonna save it and give it a few runs tomorrow, not used to be paper thin armored

[dull scroll]

yes and no, you spec it for the KF, which automatically brain rupture on your lightning

[tulip kettle]

some people saying psychic vamp

[proper osprey]

Depends on what staff you’re using

[tulip kettle]

really you dont want to drop any nodes in that tree except MAYBE 5% crit chance

[dull scroll]

so basically people's brain explodes while you shock them

[tulip kettle]

and then obviously perilous combustion and wildfire could just go

[analog agate]

The reason I pretty much say look at pinned now is because we have these builds metaed out. Just look at pins for the best EK build

[subtle sedge]

Bet about to try it out

[proper osprey]

This is for ek correct

I just spawned in

[tulip kettle]

for some sense of scale, on an EK run in havoc i did 1.3 mil dmg, 57k was from warpfire, running PC and wildfire

it does almost nothing

[proper osprey]

I wish pc and wildfire we one node

[tulip kettle]

or wildfire and souldrinker

but yes, dropping 5% crit for in fire reborn is 100% not worth for the above reasons

and psychic vampire is also not really worth because you will have no trouble getting 4 charges in 30 seconds running EK.

with the 5% crit and warp nexus you will hit over 40% crit rate at high peril

which hey, dats pretty gud

[analog agate]

https://tenor.com/view/big-lebowski-the-dude-your-opinion-gif-4476328

[tulip kettle]

https://tenor.com/view/fax-machine-feed-me-recht-kommt-grundgesetz-gesetz-gif-11852174

[proper osprey]

Me don’t think a 5% chance will truly get a lot of use

[low rapids]

So if i drop perilous combustion andwildfire i got 1 point to put somewhere now lol

[proper osprey]

But whatever works for you

[restive slate]

Do younger gens even know what this is?

[tulip kettle]

i think going from 37.5% crit to 42.5% crit

[proper osprey]

Are you using inferno or blaze trauma?

[tulip kettle]

is better than proccing in fire reborn precisely 0% of the time

hes using EK

[low rapids]

EK

[analog agate]

He is using a very strange EK build

[tulip kettle]

its not strange

its on the lower side of power

but its very safe

[proper osprey]

Yeah tbh if I’m using ek I’m using gaze with melee

[tulip kettle]

and for the reasons i said above, PC and wildfire just arent worth it with it

[granite stratus]

A fax machine?
It does faxes, I think

[analog agate]

Using those nodes and bubble instead of shriek is strange

[low rapids]

i mean, i could use the pined one and die 200 times per run, opr make a safer one, get used to be squishy as fuck and eventually migrate to the meta build

[tulip kettle]

yes but its a safe build you could literally run in H40

[proper osprey]

If you’re doing ek you can just do that one lmb build lol

[tulip kettle]

though by dropping PC and wildfire, you could then get battle med and inner tranquility

[analog agate]

Even if you don’t currently know what a fax machine is. A ton of employers still use them so young kids will learn about them eventually

[proper osprey]

Tbh it’s fun

[tulip kettle]

which again, i wouldnt normally rate

[split lance]

when sacrificing weapons, the best strat is to gget em to green and then sacrifice?

or is it take them to blue

[analog agate]

Green

[tulip kettle]

but put it all together and you are gonna be pumping out shots an awful lot without having to manage peril so much

[split lance]

ty

[tulip kettle]

good to learn, with room to refine and improve the build as you get used to what you are capable of on the class

[split lance]

lmb surge

[proper osprey]

Even after qc was removed

It’s still good

I did it recently and had fun

Was mindless

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/shooting-a-machine-gun-vanguard-firing-a-machine-gun-intense-gunfire-open-fire-gif-20295147

[rotund dagger]

lmb on like any staff except purg ig

🤢

[tulip kettle]

nah you do it on EK because crit bonus at least

[rotund dagger]

recon lasgun ass playstyle

[dull scroll]

the purge primary back when qc was around was goated

[analog agate]

It is ok. Much inferior to rmb build though

EK that is

[dull scroll]

it was funny

and the sound it made

[subtle sedge]

So is it good for havoc or no ?

[fierce crest]

i love regular staff m1s

welcome back bolt staff

[dull scroll]

your EK or talking about purge/inferno?

because EK while it shines at lower diff becomes very sus into havoc

purge is king in havoc

[tulip kettle]

i have been trying EK SG with PA KF and warp siphon

it seems pretty good

nice when the pink guys just go BZZT

[subtle sedge]

Ek

[tulip kettle]

the problem with EK in havoc is, you cant give it enough damage without forgoing bubble

and forgoing bubble is.... risky

in non havoc that doesnt matter because it does enough damage as it is

[analog agate]

EK works in havoc if you are with guys who can do their jobs. Cause EK can take out shooters easily, specials pretty good, and does ok boss dps. EK has infinite ammo which is the main attractor for being the “vet” of the group. Oh, and you take shriek with it to weaken guys

[restive slate]

Have you paid your faxes?

[dull scroll]

EK's damage, even single target, becomes sus in high havoc

that staff is good for stagger mainly

and taking out small shooters

[subtle sedge]

So what’s better inferno for havoc

[tulip kettle]

like i said, its preeeeetty good with SG and KF...

[dull scroll]

nothing

[tulip kettle]

you are chain casting at 100% peril the whole game so stuff actually pops

[subtle sedge]

Wym nothing

[dull scroll]

maybe VB if your team is really bad

and need constant cc

[tulip kettle]

nothing is better than inferno in high havoc

[analog agate]

Unless you are good with VB. Inferno is for you in havoc

[restive slate]

What's bis blessings for VB?

[tulip kettle]

and trauma doesnt even work in some high havocs because stuff is unstaggerable and it just fucks you

[long wharf]

I was about to respond "Nobody is good with VB" until I remembered VB = Voidblast, not Visual Basic

[tulip kettle]

theres 2 general builds, either blazing spirit with warp nexus, or rending with warp flurry

[long wharf]

I'm having PTSD from working in Javascript recently

[analog agate]

Blazing/nexus best for VB

Flurry/rending if coupled with inferno psyker

[tulip kettle]

rending flurry if theres an inferno psyker as well

[dull scroll]

with the current status of PC and KF, blazing is king

[tulip kettle]

and blaze voidblast is one where you really want to run shriek because of the soulblaze, unlike EK

[low rapids]

My main issue with this is that i just leveled my psiker so im still learning and second one is that i play solo... i went from like 75% damnation to 25% from loss after loss...

[tulip kettle]

EK is my favourite staff for non havoc, it really does what you want it to

blazing trauma is actually my favourite i guess but ive just played it too much

[analog agate]

I mean. If you just leveled psyker and are still learning it don’t do high havoc.

When you are asking for advice we are always going off of H40 if you ask about havoc.

I would recommend keep doing damnation

[tulip kettle]

the way to win in damnation is stay as 4

thats all there is to it

you will win every time you do that

[low rapids]

Oh im not even going into havoc with the psyker yet, i just wanna make a build that im comfortable with to run damnation and dont leave the team of randoms as a 3 man group every time

[analog agate]

Gotcha

[low rapids]

Ill try a couple of the builds tomorrow and see how they feel, if i get lucky i may even get to unlock auric to never run it lol

[tulip kettle]

behold, the EK build of your nightmares

[analog agate]

I would use something like that if they ever nerfed shriek

[tulip kettle]

who needs shriek man

doesnt even kill pox in H40

[proper osprey]

[tulip kettle]

EK doesnt do enough damage? how does +20-80% base damage and 20% crit chance sound?

for a total of 62% crit chance? and not even factoring in you will be casting at maximum peril for warp rider

oh theres a horde? say hello to FGS and all the bonus dmg finesse and crit you desire

[dull scroll]

honestly I'd just spec DD at this point lol

[tulip kettle]

cant

tried it

[dull scroll]

what

why it doesn't work on EK?

[tulip kettle]

you need siphon and PA to give it 100% uptime

[potent echo]

It's the 100% uptime meme

[dull scroll]

bah who cares about 100% uptime with gaze

[tulip kettle]

you have 100% uptime on SG/warp unbound

the fact its giving you 40% base damage and 20% crit chance?

and you cant explode when casting at 100 peril

thats the point

you are just chain casting at 100% peril constantly

[potent echo]

Can it one shot crushers though

[dull scroll]

there was a time it used to two shot it 😏

[tulip kettle]

i have not tried but bulwarks with unyielding is comfortable 2

[potent echo]

Interesting

[tulip kettle]

i would not play it without the warp unbound timer mod

though that mod is often innacurate

[dull scroll]

btw I find the best melee to run with EK

is devil's claw

[tulip kettle]

idk about that, im sure its fine

but i think of devil claw and i think anti rager weapon

this build just explodes the ragers

i run it with unyielding and flak on the EK then FGS with maniac and cara

hordes arent really a problem between lmb spam and the FGS slice, most elites just get obliterated by SG EK RMB spam, and crushers and mutants get bopped

i think, if you factor in KF, +cara and a crit

[dull scroll]

okay nvm I see what you mean by the 100% uptime been important 😂

[tulip kettle]

it may be possible to 1 shot a crusher. IDK though

[dull scroll]

gaze now also vents, this is pretty interesting

[tulip kettle]

yup

so if you are out by a second and start to peril just gaze when its ready

[analog agate]

Still stunned they did that to sg

[tulip kettle]

but as you probably see, with a few warp charges and killing a few elites during the warp unbound timer, SG is usually ready before warp unbound even ends

[dull scroll]

I don't know about havoc this shit will absolutely destory auric, 100% better than vent

use FGS as melee for horde clear and it's golden

[tulip kettle]

and when you factor in all the + dmg buffs from SG, siphon, warp rider and kinetic presence, and the crit rate, its like, silly amounts of dmg

you also perma have the 33% TDR from one with the warp as well

[vestal trench]

auric runs is the fastest way to grind ordo dockets right?

[spiral storm]

Succesful havocs give more I think

[tulip kettle]

idk i would think quickplaying into auric is likely to be the fastest

not sure tho

[verbal thistle]

Havoc 40 gives 137,000 dockets per week

so no

[spiral storm]

per run, not per week

but I could still be wrong, just a guess

[verbal thistle]

havoc doesnt give mats outside per weke

week

[spiral storm]

oh

[green grove]

what exactly does empyric resolve do?

decreases peril gen and decreases toughness regen?

that sounds. not worth it lmao

[spiral storm]

it's pretty good depending on build

[solar flint]

Just dont get hit 4head

[spiral storm]

not super optimal or anything but still good and very fun

[dull scroll]

listen, this class folds the moment you get blown by a gust of wind

ER is an S tier node

[spiral storm]

wait is it?

[dull scroll]

yes

[spiral storm]

I always run it but I thought it was just fun

since we generate so much toughness anyway

[solar flint]

depends on the build, some you want to pump peril as fast as possible
some you don't

[spiral storm]

I just though some less peril for longer purge or smite was fun

[dull scroll]

exception of course is inferno vent builds, otherwise too little peril for vent

[green grove]

see that’s my thinking

i want higher peril for funny fire

and also i kinda wanna try attaching my damage to gamba

[tulip kettle]

theres plenty of builds where you want ER, and plenty where you dont

a lot of builds you want to be at max or close to max most of the time so you dont want ER

[green grove]

yeah in hindsight i should’ve just. Ignored it n thought a little more lmao

[tulip kettle]

some builds you want to rapidly dump and then build peril

i would also say, theres nothing currently in the game that generates "too much" peril imo

BB is overcosted in both peril cost and time to cast but it doesnt generate the peril too quickly because it takes so long to cast

[solar flint]

invert empyric resolve's effects

instant S++ node

[tulip kettle]

kinda

its S++ on the bui;lds that want it

but its unusable with a lot of staves

[dull scroll]

pretty much only bubble knights would benefit from that

[tulip kettle]

voidblast would be costing 25 peril to charge and 10 to cast

which you would also need to take a correspondigly longer time to quell

as it is you can do 80% full or so charges and quell it off on a loop, starting at 80 ish peril to get max value from the cast

make that starting at 65-70 and requiring twice as long to quell is just, terrible. But yes, for any psyker build that doesnt use a staff it would be the strongest talent tbh

as it is one with the warp + endurance is preeety good

[south gull]

Purge staff gotta be the least fun staff

Bring back double crit voidblast

[tulip kettle]

73% crit chance, i lied

2 shot bulwarks if both hits crit, 3 shots if at least 1 crits

[south gull]

cant remember but wasn't voidblast the best staff for a while

[dull scroll]

it was voidstrike

a long long time ago

then they nerfed it patch after patch

[normal crane]

What is that 3/3 on your screen for?

[tulip kettle]

dodge counter

[normal crane]

How did you get that on the screen? I assume it is in options?

[tulip kettle]

its a mod