Someone uses vet stealth ult?
#psyker-class
sacred surge
rigid moss
Sadly
potent echo
they say you do so much damage once you come out of it
tidal siren
You can get some good breakpoints on plasma with stealth ult
sacred surge
they say you do so much damage once you come out of it
Yeah to your teammates nerves
rigid moss
The vets that use stealth ult are those that think they're the heroes for one-man ressing their team all alone (which would have never gone down in the first place if they had VoC)
deft stump
You use it for objectives. Do you like being an objective monkey?
potent echo
but
you have TWBS
but thats zealot i guess
and yea i did some funny stealth games where i pressed my gameboy
rigid moss
So, tldr as a vet: use plasma gun, use VoC, that's 95% of your power budget right there and then.
tidal siren
So, tldr as a vet: use plasma gun, use VoC, that's 95% of your power budget righ...
Don't forget the stab stick
rigid moss
I mean yeah, DS goes without saying as long as its not nerfed
Personally, I love my hand cannon as well. I have a revolver / DS weapon specialist build that is very very fun to play
but plasma gun is just better for the most part
Oh and never use the revive talent on VoC, it's a trap. That's about all you need to know
gray juniper
Regular cooldown is already long af. You don’t have to convince me
rigid moss
tactical awareness helps
the skill. also the wisdom.
hey I can post pictures now, how nice.
tidal siren
Knockback is enough to get the res off in 90% situations
deft stump
Knockback is enough to get the res off in 90% situations
That's shout, drop a frag. Start picking up.
gray juniper
I’m just using the vet meta and bolt pistol and that’s really it. If I pass into aurics I’ll feel like I’m doing something
potent echo
no, refering to vet
wispy bay
Because of better damage vs carapace
jovial juniper
Oh no
potent echo
its still 2 shot on the stabby psword
wispy bay
People don't like the activation.
wispy bay
I mean, dueling sword is still the best melee weapon overall.
deft stump
i went to vet chat and they told me duelling sword is meta
Because it is easier to use...
And safer.
potent echo
true
deft stump
Powersword is like using a slab.
potent echo
they still cant get over the activation button
deft stump
And remember, as a vet...
jovial juniper
i went to vet chat and they told me duelling sword is meta
They are not keeping up with times
deft stump
You want to DODGE.
jovial juniper
wispy bay
Speed, dodge, damage. Only the cleave has some issue, but it can be worked on.
potent echo
duellies probably better on a non melee vet
deft stump
And Powersword is more a block weapon than a dodge weapon.
potent echo
doesnt duelling sword have better block than psword though 
oldies told me knife and duelling sword have the best block outside of shield
wispy bay
I still use the Dclaw parry to carry my ass i. h40.
deft stump
doesnt duelling sword have better block than psword though <:KEKW_ogryn:10220771...
If you bring +stam, sure.
Otherwise...
Do you know how bad Vet stam regen delay is?
potent echo
yes
deft stump
If you don't path like 1 or 2 of the -stam regen delay nodes?
deft stump
but i also almost exclusively play crackhead vet
What do you think running knoife melee vet is?
potent echo
and yea fair duellies are great for non melee builds since they dont require much investment
i have a knife doublebarrel weapon spec vet
jovial juniper
potent echo
spam push attack
jovial juniper
Yes Better block cost
deft stump
i have a knife doublebarrel weapon spec vet
Knoife Bistol melee 'nadier.
potent echo
i was right
rigid moss
Do you know how bad Vet stam regen delay is?
As a Vet, VoC is my stamina regeneration. Which is fair. As a Psyker, venting is my stamina regeneration. 🙃
wait I'm being stupid. I'm talking about toughness not stamina.
nevermind me.
deft stump
spam push attack
You get 2.
Maybe 3.
You need 6 to poke ded a crusher.
Assuming some crits.
deft stump
with uncanny its less
That is Uncanny Mercykiller.
deft stump
That's Mercykiller.
potent echo
yes
potent echo
yea but hopefully you start with non-zero stacks of uncanny
deft stump
Auric.
potent echo
oh you mean start at zero yea
but by the time you reach crusher 2,3,4,5 you already have max stacks
deft stump
It can be less, but that's rolling 4 crits in a row.
To be fair, I run every 'nade node except twinned. Oh and I always have Field Improv.
vagrant flax
Wait so blocking with a thunderhammer costs 5.6 stamina do I interpret this correctly?
Or is 5.6 per point of damage or smt? I got no idea how this works haha
jovial juniper
Blocking a sweep from a Mauler
gray juniper
Yea… fuck the noise. I’m going back to the 3 stamina on psyker. That crusher melee is crucial
rigid moss
Yea… fuck the noise. I’m going back to the 3 stamina on psyker. That crusher mel...
I think 2x toughness 1x stam is standard as far as curios go on psyker, no?
gray juniper
Idk
gray juniper
I started playing the game around when nightmares and visions was a thing and came here to get accurate info because everywhere else is very outdated or sounded misleading
marble crater
Stamina gang rise up
gray juniper
Gang gang
deft stump
Stamina gang rise up
+9?
marble crater
No, blocked
gray juniper
Lmao
deft stump
No, blocked
So be like Clad then.
gray juniper
I’m going to throw +6 on the vet idc idc idc what anyone’s meta suggestion says
marble crater
So be like Clad then.
Just play ogryn for DH block shenanigans
marble crater
I’m going to throw +6 on the vet idc idc idc what anyone’s meta suggestion says
Yes for dead shot memes
marble crater
Embrace shot pistol
hearty wolf
Oh that one exists too
I could try it but I don't think it will hold a candle to bolt pistol
deft stump
I could try it but I don't think it will hold a candle to bolt pistol
Less ammo, hits like bistol. May pierce, has shield but way less mobility.
marble crater
Shot pistol is cool, double shield is cool, be cool.
hearty wolf
Less ammo, hits like bistol. May pierce, has shield but way less mobility.
It just doesn't have
Uhh
Puncture is all
Puncture make dog do big nommies
deft stump
Puncture make dog do big nommies
That was fixed?
deft stump
Ah.
plucky flax
Embrace shot pistol
It sucks
lyric burrow
BP is def better although bp is just very good
I wish shotpistol had a little more ammo but thats it really
wispy bay
Need 4 shots to kill on 6 clip.
6 shots with talent, otherwise 5 shots.
deft stump
6 shots with talent, otherwise 5 shots.
Still, 4 shots to kill a flamer in the head.
wispy bay
Still, 4 shots to kill a flamer in the head.
How so?
I never see that happen in my game.
wispy bay
Also, if you want bleed, you can get the crit on number number of target hit + bleed on crit on spistol.
The base cleave is quite high on it, easy to get bleed proc.
hearty wolf
I'm using it for boss damage so I'd be shooting half my mag at nothing and I'd need to apply like 12 bleed to the boss
So an entire mag
lyric burrow
Min pellet count, I guess.
Damage fall off is quite high yeah
wispy bay
Though, I only use spistol for the safety of the shield vs ranged, otherwise, it sucks.
Even Agrip revolver does better dps.
And kill most elite in 2 hits.
deft stump
Damage fall off is quite high yeah
Feels eh even in mid range at times.
lyric burrow
Ye its kinda got DB range
wispy bay
You can run that with +crit if you want to fight bosses, but then again, get Cshotgun in that case.
lyric burrow
Little less punishing but not super far off
gray juniper
Baby bolty one of best guns in the game imo
wispy bay
The nly good thing with it is the shield to cover you against gunners.
rigid iris
steel hawk
Bolt pistol
gray juniper
Baby bolty
deft stump
And I even have run&gun and that thing that supposedly gives damage on altfire wait.
Mostly due to thinking it will help like kickback things.
wispy bay
Run and gun on Shot revolver is a waste imo.
Unless you run full bore
But then again... Why not using Eshotgun or Cshotgun instead?
wispy bay
Vrak Cshotgun does surprisingly good damage vs monsters. Though shit against anything else.
deft stump
My Eshotgun has weird blessings. Suppressed or staggered bonus damage.
gray juniper
Emergency shotgun?
wispy bay
Yes
jovial juniper
Ethernet shotgun
gray juniper
Sounds even better
gray juniper
Slay king
plucky flax
Because havoc double shield.
Karien can't survive without holding block.
But you carry.
plucky flax
Get karien to play with you free wins
marble crater
Do you really think two controller players in the same mission can beat auric?
It's not possible
deft stump
Do you really think two controller players in the same mission can beat auric?
So where UnsanctionedPsyker carrying us?
marble crater
To the store to buy keyboards and mice
deft stump
To the store to buy keyboards and mice
For us?
marble crater
He said he will pay
marble crater
Not with that attitude
It's all I have 
deft stump
He said he will pay
So generous?
marble crater
Flak and crit for blazing spirit build
Flak and carapace for rending build
marble crater
So generous?
hollow magnet
is In Fire Reborn worth using
does it only trigger if the enemy dies to soulblaze? or just if they have the status when they die?
marble crater
Triggers when they die while being affected by soulblaze, so yeah it's good
wispy bay
I don't carry, went down twice in one auric mission <a:sipsad:123196738802339439...
Me can't even win auric mael...
marble crater
ripe obsidian
Procs on any death while blazed
sacred surge
Love that shield
hollow magnet
is voidblast soulfire worth using
it doesnt feel like the fire is really doing anything substantial
marble crater
Blaze Voidblast is the more popular version and very worth using
hollow magnet
its what im using atm but i cant work out what the point of the fire is
is it just to help clear fodder ?
tulip kettle
its hard for you to quantify
but if you use a scoreboard with a plug in
you will see how much its really doing
crisp yacht
It's spreads fire gud. It will set things on fire more around the circle then indicates.
tulip kettle
and yes, without the fire, the build (blazing spirit warp nexus voidblast) does nothing
marble crater
It's the old name
Fatshark changed a lot of weapon names... for some reason
Most likely because Trauma and Surge were also blessing names, but that doesn't explain Purgatus, and I will never forgive them
hollow magnet
is there a way to speed up Kinetic Flayer?
marble crater
No
quartz barn
now we just have void and void
tulip kettle
sorry i posted above clip without an explanation
but, you can see that the actual effect on enemies is much wider than the aiming circle, enemies get staggered for quite some distance
marble crater
I said it before, change Elektro and Inferno names to also include Void at the start and then we can just forgot about that prefix and can refer to staves as Strike, Blast, whatever the new names are
steel hawk
Voidblast (aoe void mortar)
Voidstrike (focused ball of energy)
tulip kettle
and those that get staggered will get the soulblaze from crits
marble crater
Good, ship it
quartz barn
doesnt actually sound too bad
tulip kettle
so you are making your VB go from doing high damage to enemies in the circle and nothing outside, to high damage in the circle and fire outside
quartz barn
voidshock also reminds me of a consumable in salt and sanctuary
marble crater
Purgatus was the best staff name, look how they massacred my boy
analog agate
My internet is bad right now. Someone can look up Atlas’s pictures and he had the example of soulblaze beyond the blast
tulip kettle
wispy bay
Vblast feels slower, however, you don't need to fully charge it to be effective. It also has a long range M1 attack, compared to inferno, which has none.
tulip kettle
meanwhile on reddit
err, blazing trauma is bad, actually, i did 1.2 mil dmg in havoc 40 without it
wispy bay
So many times I choked because I have no range to do anything...
tulip kettle
push with bubble
get close and supress with flames
ez
just, be an infallible robot who never makes mistakes ofc
unborn chasm
is there any difference blessing or perk wise for a deimos or obscurus on havoc?
tulip kettle
i am not qualified to speak on it
idk about obsucrs in havoc
i know I wouldnt run it
i would assume you run carapace and uyileding
unborn chasm
i wanted to try since some people said its better but not safer
tulip kettle
it has one combo
that can do more single target dps
but its move set in general i find to be janky and bad
my personal take is, why run em really
deiumos, i understand with deflector
tulip kettle
you want a DS4 but also want a force sword, so you take deimos
unborn chasm
maybe kill a mutant here and there
tulip kettle
but in H40 it wont 1 shot muties
unborn chasm
whats DS4?
tulip kettle
duelling sword mk 4
unborn chasm
ah
tulip kettle
its just the non force version of deimos essntially
unborn chasm
duelling sword mk 4
yeah i have like a non havoc gun psyker build with it i think
marble crater
You are in luck, DS4 is all about spamming heavy attacks, they are all the same too
tulip kettle
DS4 is kind of almost the default high tier weapon at this point
marble crater
is too slow
Run faster
unborn chasm
whats the standard combo with deimos then? light then heavy?
marble crater
Yes
tulip kettle
Sin when he is trying to keep up with others instead of making them keep up with him
marble crater
Zealot main when no knife
tulip kettle
whats the standard combo with deimos then? light then heavy?
yes thats pretty much all there is to it
stab knoc things on bum hehe
unborn chasm
ok cool
tulip kettle
try to keep yourself safe from crusher packs
unborn chasm
the dodge speed on it is awesome ngl
tulip kettle
DS4 is just the same thing but the attacks come out quickly and it has insane mobility
your stagger is on special instead of being part of a chain
and in my experience it clears hordes slightly better with L spam
but then you get to the big boys game and bring the FGS and your world opens
kite these crushers? why? i will slaughter them!
unborn chasm
just checked been using the DS2 on my gun psyker
marble crater
unborn chasm
i think cause of the light attack for hordes
tulip kettle
oof
unborn chasm
other builds i used the DS4
cosmic sigil
kite these crushers? why? i will slaughter them!
Dodge these crushers? Paf, you're splattered everywhere
tulip kettle
idk i felt like a badass yesterday when i got cornered with 3 crushers 3 maulers and held my ground like a man and killed em all
unborn chasm
mobility always dump stat on BFS and DS right?
tulip kettle
then got literally IMMEDIATELY pounced
tulip kettle
mobility always dump stat on BFS and DS right?
generally yes, edge cases no
unborn chasm
idk i felt like a badass yesterday when i got cornered with 3 crushers 3 maulers...
yeah i love using DS sometimes aswell
tulip kettle
this was with MK6 FGS
unborn chasm
generally yes, edge cases no
edge?
cosmic sigil
Dump warp resistance on fgs
tulip kettle
yeah precisely if it has warp res, always dump warp re
some people dump cleave on DS instead of mobility
unborn chasm
ah okay
tulip kettle
if it has warp res, thats the dump
if it has mobility, thats the dump
are pretty solid general rules that apply in most cases
ornate hamlet
Can someone explain the difference between deflector perk on blaze sword and kenetic deflect perk?
tulip kettle
yes
deflector perk lets you block bullets
kinetic deflector does not let you block bullets
deflector perk does nothing except make your blocks cheaper and let you block bullets
kinetic deflection changes the block cost from stamina to peril
unborn chasm
i usually use both of those together
tulip kettle
i think KD should usually be taken on most psyker builds unless theres a specific reason not to / youre a god at the game
deflector is very much personal preference and not usually needed
unborn chasm
so deimos has warp res and mobility, so what is dump?
tulip kettle
warp res
ornate hamlet
deflector perk lets you block bullets
deflector perk says it lets you block melee too?/
plucky flax
idk i felt like a badass yesterday when i got cornered with 3 crushers 3 maulers...
I get smothered by THE WALL and team didn't help much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVlsTRjjSUw&lc=Ugzo3i9m9smzX0UE0cV4AaABAg
timber parcel
i think KD should usually be taken on most psyker builds unless theres a specifi...
I mean you don’t even need to be that good to drop KD
tulip kettle
I get smothered by THE WALL and team didn't help much.
https://www.youtube.com/w...
holy shit wp dude
you should not be allowed the dog
timber parcel
Kinda only need it for like double chaos spawn solo or DH and something else
tulip kettle
yes yes blah blah
KD is just too much value
you actively want to generate peril
and you want your stam for doing other things like pushing
also good luck doing a res or any such with 2 stamina on DS and no KD
plucky flax
you should not be allowed the dog
How do you mean? 🐶
tulip kettle
just
when you make so few mistakes
and then the dog fixes them
is OP
already 2 players worth on any class, dog makes it 3 lol
plucky flax
My dawg targetting is better than some players.
At least it listens to me most of the time.
Maybe I host in USE instead of EU.
tulip kettle
i do that sometimes
but i think youll just be having the same experience but with 120 ms
tulip kettle
yeah i must admit there is an issue with it
plucky flax
I won 2 games since monday. 
plucky flax
Out of about 12 games.
tulip kettle
i think theres just 2 groups of players
some that want to just go backwards to everything and clear everything
and some that want to play normal
and if you dont have a team of at least 3 of the same kind on the same wavelength youre gonna struggle
wait a min chaos, im so confused
chilling watching your arctic monkeys vid
and youre in the same game twice 🤔
marble crater
EU h40 players are killing me this week.
Please no flame 
proper schooner
Joined this discord just to ask, how did y'all get the cliffhanger penance
I've been at it for 2 hours and keep getting screwed out of it by specials, my teammates, or NPCs
marble crater
There are tips and videos in the second pin
upper sun
smh noob team
tulip kettle
now im even more suspicious
plucky flax
It's hax.
tulip kettle
SCAB MELEE UP
crisp yacht
Haven't played in awhile. Is the empryric resolve node still considered bad/niche? The one that slows toughness regen for less peril build up.
hollow magnet
whats the best psyker builds for auric and higher? inferno staff?
plucky flax
some that want to just go backwards to everything and clear everything
You're right I just failed again. Twins + plauge ogryn spawn. We had zealot and psyker but the psyker just disappeared somewhere rather than place bubble in place so the whole team can quickly kill the melee twin.
Then of course they split up and die then I got shot to bits.
upper sun
@plucky flax scab?
tulip kettle
completely standard
plucky flax
<@150967101836886016> scab?
Okay I need 1 win.
upper sun
it dies in 6 min
plucky flax
The loss streak is too rough.
upper sun
@tulip kettle u ready?
tulip kettle
<@453628860567650304> u ready?
loading
plucky flax
<@204309481427959809> <@150967101836886016> scab melee y/n
Ye
This guy is hacking how is he lvl 666 on arby already.
tulip kettle
This guy is hacking how is he lvl 666 on arby already.
tf
hollow current
I mean it's possible if the account was shared and played around the clock. probably not what happened tho
marble crater
Exp curios and train speedrunning?
ripe obsidian
2/11 win/loss
So it seems to be going for most people this week
summer prairie
the modifier pool is pretty hard right now
languid pasture
i gotta kill elites with empowered psyonics what should i run to finish up that penance
rigid moss
the modifier pool is pretty hard right now
Everything is better than inferno was for the past few weeks
talk about a shitty modifier 🙄
jovial juniper
i gotta kill elites with empowered psyonics what should i run to finish up that ...
Walls Brain Burst
Or Smite
languid pasture
yeah might leave it to speedrun my low level friends or something
rigid moss
I wish assail was good and not just cool
languid pasture
assail is goated on bubble knight 🙂
rigid moss
but it is cool
jovial juniper
marble crater
last shore
This guy is hacking how is he lvl 666 on arby already.
What the fuck
upper sun
o7
plucky flax
Just like that? No goodbye?
tulip kettle
marble crater
Just like that? No goodbye?
He always does this, just leaves without saying anything
plucky flax
I heard on the grapevine light light block cancel is more single target dps than heavy light.
flat nexus
agreed
plucky flax
Gonna test it real fast.
tulip kettle
on what weapon sry?
flat nexus
I heard on the grapevine light light block cancel is more single target dps than...
but you lose weight of the lex, someone told me light block cancel is more than heavy light
summer prairie
i've been using light light block for most things, it's better with lone wolf though
flat nexus
probably arbi shock maul
tulip kettle
oh arbimaul ofc
plucky flax
Yeah you lose 15% damage.
So that's why I'm curious.
Maybe just light spam and call it a day.
summer prairie
you gain faster relentless stacks
last shore
Yeah you lose 15% damage.
Down for some games tomorrow/friday?
plucky flax
Ye but I use high voltage execution.
last shore
Hype should get his internet back then
plucky flax
Down for some games tomorrow/friday?
Friday yeah I'll be back at home with nice big screen.
last shore
Friday yeah I'll be back at home with nice big screen.
Yeah I’ll be working from home
Well, “working” from home
summer prairie
I think your own dps is more important than dog, dog will kill anyway just slightly later
plus only some dog dps gets buffed
relentless just too good for boss and enables light light block more
plucky flax
If I'm not using heavy for single target I might as well remove that talent.
last shore
If I'm not using heavy for single target I might as well remove that talent.
Pretty much what I did
plucky flax
But I like using push attack heavy heavy for mixed horde tho...
The sweep is nice against ragers.
last shore
What weapon though
plucky flax
Arby maul.
summer prairie
I still have it for mixed, not sure if worth
last shore
Ah I primarily use shmaul and tact axe
summer prairie
I also considered dropping unyielding and running elite damage
plucky flax
This is pro build.
summer prairie
reapers get shot and I can sacrifice some boss dps I think
wispy bay
I did H40 a few times this week, yet I can't help Bean on their H35... Those pubs really did play with 3 players.
last shore
I prefer just playing with people I know
For havocs that is
PF randos are a dice roll
Can either be good or just super bad
summer prairie
with more lmb spam I think the EO crit node is good and also helps with shotgun breakpoints
at least once it works again
plucky flax
So it's op.
last shore
at least once it works again
Tell me about it. At least it allowed me to experiment with forceful
Pretty tanky build
That’s why I make it a point to alternate playing psyker and arby
Because I feel like Arbites exclusively can make develop habits
languid pasture
what's the best weapon to kill 40 in one scriers?
im assuming i either mag dump or swing into a horde
FGS?
potent echo
play auric/mael and get stuck in
pearl viper
why doesn’t psyker have one of these, are they stupid?
potent echo
this is true
plucky flax
I'll try light light single target combo. At least it lets me free up a point so I can be tankier.
summer prairie
I've sometimes been running it with confident strikes + relentless, didn't feel too bad
potent echo
uprising
ripe obsidian
what's the best weapon to kill 40 in one scriers?
I just went to Relay Station, or whatever the sandy map is with the mid event of carrying batteries, and opened up with an autogun on the endless horde.
upper sun
Btw other guy was <@431260777282928641>
guy?
potent echo
fatshark removed sedition so assail is just no viable anymore sadly
languid pasture
lmao
upper sun
he?
plucky flax
Bruh
marble crater
upper sun
isnt xevra a girl?
plucky flax
Just go back to bed.
upper sun
no
plucky flax
Don't even type anymore.
marble crater
Coffee? It's 8
ornate hamlet
Does anyone like popcorn?
potent echo
What gpu is required to run the game like that
upper sun
quad SLI 5090s
potent echo
Understandable
plucky flax
Ultrawide but no mod to move the UI stuff closer?
ornate hamlet
Ultrawide but no mod to move the UI stuff closer?
Thought about it but havent installed it yet
potent echo
Even with ray tracing on what a gamer
ornate hamlet
ive got like 700 hours like this lol
ornate hamlet
What gpu is required to run the game like that <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
4090 and i9
potent echo
Expected
plucky flax
You lose a lot of time turning your head so far left to check team's status.
wraith sphinx
can't you just flick your eyes to the left to check or are the monitors really that wide
plucky flax
It'd be at least 34 inches or so.
plucky flax
Even just moving your eyes you're taking eyes off the centre of screen.
So you could eat an overhead.
That's a nice set up.
ornate hamlet
You lose a lot of time turning your head so far left to check team's status.
i usually keep track of my team visuallyy and ocasionally peak but yeah true, at this point i've gotten used to it though
but ill try the ui mod soon
plucky flax
Oh nice one you're rich.
ornate hamlet
More like poor financial decision...
last shore
Mine’s the 34 Alienware OLED
summer prairie
not even that expensive anymore
ornate hamlet
but eh gamings my fav hobby so well worth it
plucky flax
I'm only getting a 34 inches one.
last shore
Anything more is excessive tbh
ornate hamlet
i think 34" would be better for gaming
i play a space sim called starcitizen so its good for that
and flightsim too
jovial juniper
You lose a lot of time turning your head so far left to check team's status.
AgentChaos be like
summer prairie
I've a 34" ultrawide
jovial juniper
verbal thistle
fnaf
wraith sphinx
So you could eat an overhead.
hmm
well I'm used to flicking to the corner of my screen so I don't really have this issue
but then again my screen is small enough I can almost just keep the entirety of it acquired in my vision
ornate hamlet
you need quad 5090s for this kek
verbal thistle
the shakes
languid pasture
is my mod telling me kinetic flayer pops don't consume empowered psyonics at all
dull scroll
@plucky flax who dis
verbal thistle
is my mod telling me kinetic flayer pops don't consume empowered psyonics at all
it doesnt
verbal thistle
it uses EP buffs while not using a stack
marble crater
<@150967101836886016> who dis
It's not me
analog agate
I stick to 27. Bigger than that and you have to strain your eyes or move your head to look around.
I also come from a comp fps background where 24 is all you want
plucky flax
Uuuh I can look it up.
plucky flax
<@150967101836886016> btw what was that spec count
Kind of a lot for a 24 mins game?
My last won havoc game was 38 mins long and didn't have as many.
last shore
You get way more elites and specials in high intensity aurics than maels for whatever reason
wraith forge
Which FGS is faster? 6 or 8?
plucky flax
Faster in what?
wraith forge
Att speed
wraith forge
That's true
analog agate
They essentially have the same dps too. Mk6 is more unless you don’t factor in the prep of the block attack charge on mk8
tulip kettle
it was my fault for the specials
for the first section my pacing was all off compared to the team and i kept standing in the wrong spot
hence the triple carpet bomb
plucky flax
Purple red = there's only pain.
Maybe it's time to retire from havoc. 
It's too hard.
last shore
I forgot how fun maelstrom was. Things die when you hit them.
Do high int aurics instead. Trust
tulip kettle
at the same time though when everyone actually is playing well and brought the right tools for the modifiers and is in sync, H40 is the only thing that feels challenging at all
i like that in auric still the punishments system for doing something else isnt so bad
like if you take too long on a section havoc, first the BoN comes, then the bulwarks wall
plucky flax
Do high int aurics instead. Trust
Is harder than maelstrom? Isn't maelstrom high int auric already though.
But with extra modifiers.
tulip kettle
in auric you just get special spammed
idk i thought they changed it chaos
so all aurics are high int
last shore
Is harder than maelstrom? Isn't maelstrom high int auric already though.
It’s more spawns. They did something weird with it
plucky flax
Yeah and the 'high int' auric is like extra high int.
tulip kettle
but then high int on auric board is like, high int+
plucky flax
But auric should be the hight int+ so to speak.
tulip kettle
agreed
plucky flax
I mean mael*
tulip kettle
but i think maybe its not
last shore
Like it’s more challenging than mael basically (which I don’t think is hard but still)
tulip kettle
its kind of like havoc but without the mods and bullet sponge enemies i feel
last shore
I find high int aurics way more fun than maels because of how much shit they throw at you
tulip kettle
the boss spawn punishments seem a lot more lenient
last shore
They did something with spawns for it
summer prairie
maelstorms also have the high int modifier, shouldn't be any different
last shore
Nah it’s less
Played both a bunch and it’s noticeably less
Idk what they did
Maels just spawns bosses more
summer prairie
I know what they did, they made high int increase resistance from 5 to 6. Boss spawns should be the same if it's not a monster maelstorms
tulip kettle
syllo
last shore
My friends and I played it a bunch lately and we definitely noticed it
tulip kettle
do you generate more peril in havoc?
summer prairie
no
last shore
You get a quell penalty
ripe obsidian
Yeah and the 'high int' auric is like extra high int.
Base Auric is High Int, so High Int is just HI²
tulip kettle
yeah i know you qull sloer
ripe obsidian
but it kind of feels like it
I think 85% slower. Is brutal
tulip kettle
must be that
ripe obsidian
Went into Auric and felt like just tapping R burned all my peril away in half a second
wraith sphinx
havoc decreasing quell speed feels so dogshit
another reason I don't like playing havoc
summer prairie
add_resistance here is the same add_resistance that high/shock get
and that's the only thing that makes auric harder than before
so don't see how maelstorm is different unless it's some backend weirdness
wraith sphinx
btw @strong gulch I played another havoc mission with those randoms after you went to sleep and they got wiped out by karnak twins in the first quarter of hab dreyko, I managed to solo both of them but then got netted
summer prairie
This is high/shock
wraith sphinx
that was also like
the first time I saw karnak twins wipe out randoms on a h19 mission
didn't know whether to laugh or cry
summer prairie
some maelstorm modifiers may do something to current tension/pacing, like maybe dogs pause hordes for a bit, haven't looked at non-havoc stuff in ages
ripe obsidian
I think low havoc people also don't know that twins shields are on a timer, not damage gated. Or maybe I am mistaken
But I am like 90% sure the twins shield goes down for like 30 seconds, and you can kill them fully in that time
ripe obsidian
they dont know to focus rinda
Some H40 groups don't know that either.
rigid sky
They should explain how the different shields work properly imo
There's no in-game information about it
Updated meat grinder maybe, Sefoni could explain the quirks of all boss types
wind wind
tulip kettle
I think low havoc people also don't know that twins shields are on a timer, not ...
you are correct
i mean
tulip kettle
They should explain how the different shields work properly imo
maybe thats true, their shields do work differently than in their actual twins mission
but by the time you are playing havoc 30+ you should be getting havily punished for not playing correctly - which you do
but then arb is just letting so many bad players get away with so much
i joined a 28 game earlier to chill
theres an arb in there running 3 wound curios
just goes down over and over again, somehow playing arb
brute forced the mission
and now hes in 29
you can see how this guy could end up in 40s with still no clue how to play
strong gulch
btw <@417891087500312576> I played another havoc mission with those randoms afte...
Rip. Good job solo!
wraith sphinx
ty ty
tulip kettle
idk what to suggest to fix it
wraith sphinx
was pretty damn nice with the devils claw lol, just spamming parries and timing dodges to Rodin's shots instead of Rinda's blows
plucky flax
you can see how this guy could end up in 40s with still no clue how to play
Sry it was me.
rigid sky
but by the time you are playing havoc 30+ you should be getting havily punished ...
I just think that it's the type of information that we shouldn't have to rely on extraneous sources for
And explaining it with in-universe characterisation would be fun
tulip kettle
agree
tulip kettle
Sry it was me.
its me too!
rigid sky
Like explain that Lieutenants have lesser shields and that they have specific vulnerabilities based on which type of lieutenant they are
And name the two lieutenant types
Something other than notRinda and notRodin
frail escarp
havoc decreasing quell speed feels so dogshit
it's not too bad if you get used to it, what i hated was how i kept blowing up bc i expected my fast quick quells to be enough for more firing 😄
i wish they just nerfed it to the max from the get go so it doesnt vary
strong gulch
i wish they just nerfed it to the max from the get go so it doesnt vary
It does vary
rich spindle
Is there a complete breakdown of how twins/captain shields work somewhere
strong gulch
that's my problem
Oh I see. I misread. Apologies. 
In case anyone is interesting in the quell speed changes / slow down in havoc, here's kuli's chart.
celest quail
Is there a complete breakdown of how twins/captain shields work somewhere
following for this if it exists
rich spindle
I’ve just been anecdotally eyeballing it
celest quail
I know to focus Rinda, but tbh, I havent really noticed shield differences since progressing into higher havoc difficulties. I spend most of my time crowd controlling so the rest of the group can deal with them.
I just put dots on them boys and burn adds
rigid moss
So I just toyed around on Heresy with a Bubbleknight build and am surprised by how much damage this does and how many answers it has. I wasn't expecting that to actually work.
I don't see this working on high havoc or at least not for me but huh.
It's fun.
A surprising amount of fun.
At least on Heresy...
hearty wolf
It works on havoc
marble crater
Just git gud
rigid moss
Agreed
strong gulch
+any1 game?
I can play in about 10 minutes.
rigid moss
But I honestly thought it was more of a meme build than something that actually does work.
Something learned today.
plucky flax
I don't see this working on high havoc or at least not for me but huh.
I think some unsanctioned guy made it work in h40 but he's kind of a known cheater.
strong gulch
@hearty wolf sitting down now. I will have to break after a round to feed the pets
rigid moss
As I said, I've seen some vids. I don't think I'm going to attempt that at all but the build in and on itself works just way better than I thought. It has a lot of answers. All ranges, mass clear, hits heavy if need be. It's very agressive I feel but other than that more well-rounded than I expected.
What I expected was a meme, what I got was something that at least kind of works and is actually fun.
strong gulch
Even meme builds from Agent work.
last shore
https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1042863898694537316
got room?
hearty wolf
@strong gulch
strong gulch
<@417891087500312576>
wat
strong gulch
tulip kettle
just won a 40 in the mood for some more
hearty wolf
we full for now with desynch but will luk
tulip kettle
npnp
static sonnet
<@417891087500312576>
Is there a purpose to the mod making items Sainted instead of Transcendent
plucky flax
It's cheat mod to unlock hidden stats increase I think.
bleak maple
marble crater
I need that mod
round summit
is voidblast staff good?
sinful peak
yes
marble crater
All the staves are good, even voidSTRIKE even though it's the worst by a fair margin
ripe obsidian
<@230796342165897226>
Am at work
hearty wolf
okli :(
verbal thistle
maybe thats true, their shields do work differently than in their actual twins m...
in what way?
hearty wolf
They don't charge each other :o
tulip kettle
in actual twins mission they like, recharge each other
verbal thistle
Okay, I see
main widget
What melee weapon do you like for a ranged staff build to help get the hell out of a swarm or big bad things?
rigid moss
DS
For the swarm you have the staff
If you want to kill it
For anything with armor or to dodge away, you have the DS
exotic crane
Does enhanced blitz reduce the peril generation?
rigid moss
Alternatively use Force Greatsword for Horde Clear but you typically don't need that with normal staff builds. It can be a nice extra.
exotic crane
I was struggling to build any peril in an auric mael with assail
rigid moss
yes according to https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/171laeo/what_does_the_enhanced_blitz_map_modifier_do_for/ and we all know reddit is infallible
jovial juniper
Does enhanced blitz reduce the peril generation?
Reduces by 50% on Assail and Brain Burst
Also adds 2 extra shards to Assail
Does nothing to Smite
rigid moss
Smite not interesting enough for maelstrom to affect it
wispy bay
Smite doesn't need anything.
jovial juniper
Not even mortis Trials smite indulgence
(it does nothing)
Really says a lot about how FS treats smite
rigid moss
I guess smite fullfilled its purpose by being a palpatine power fantasy and that's enough for anything ever
also note to self: don't try bubble knight on maelstrom, it won't really work
exotic crane
also note to self: don't try bubble knight on maelstrom, it won't really work
that's exactly what I was playing lmao
rigid moss
I figured when you said that you struggled to build peril with assail
rigid moss
random sidenote, is it me or is clandestium gloriana always a shitshow?
Feels like the hardest map by a mile
rigid moss
Yu. The first two areas - the half-open bridge and then the first objective - are over-the-top difficult in comparison to the rest of the game
indigo plank
Gloriana’s mid event is harder than the finale
Even if you get all the asinine objectives like “knock the ice off the gears” and “search all the cargo containers for batteries” it’s still less of a nightmare than that mid event with the cryonic rods lol
rigid moss
Agreed.
indigo plank
Kinda like how most failed rolling steel runs die at the double battery objective
rigid moss
Which is miles easier than Gloriana
I mean, I get that every map has its harder parts and easier parts, that's not so surprising. And not always it's the hard part at the end, I have no problem with that. I just feel like Glorianas early part is miles harder than anything else in the game
and consistently so
indigo plank
I feel like chasm station’s logistratum’s first street is either barren and completely empty, or it’s a struggle just to make it down the steps to that first med-station 
The hanging barrels in that room are devious
indigo plank
The best maps are the ones where Kayex is our handler
“Gooooo my little preeeeservitooooors…”
He sounds as gleeful as a mechanicus can sound
exotic crane
Kinda like how most failed rolling steel runs die at the double battery objectiv...
because nobody goes after them
I swear
maybe 1 in 4 missions I get 1-2 guys to help with that
indigo plank
That and nobody kills the one sniper in the way back
Idc if there’s even a battery up top on the second car
I’ll jump across just to loop around and kill the snipers on my way back
So long as the reanimated piles of cartilage on my team can handle the pox and the occasional 2 gunners spawning by the bridge it’ll be okay
analog agate
I want a whole map like beginning part of gloriana
marble crater
tulip kettle
waves of mutants
marble crater
tulip kettle
oh and hunting packs of course
marble crater
Duh, of course
wispy bay
minor monstrosity
tulip kettle
in return you get enhanced blitz and can bring smite 🙂
wispy bay
How about 4 of them at once?
marble crater
strong gulch
gg
marble crater
Gg
strong gulch
Gg
marble crater
I was there in spirit
I also had a mosquito fly into my eye 
It really is about time we annihilate these things from the entire universe
strong gulch
I also had a mosquito fly into my eye <:staregryn:1022085083844325376>
wtf
strong gulch
🔥
static sonnet
It really is about time we annihilate these things from the entire universe
Nooo them thirsty baby's are pollinators. They only take blood when they can because its mad nutrient dense. They mostly eat nectar
marble crater
Nooo them thirsty baby's are pollinators. They only take blood when they can bec...
I don't care
gray juniper
I hate mosquitoes enough to look up the consequences of their extinction and it’s surprisingly detrimental
marble crater
Yeah, for them 
indigo thunder
How can I make playing havocs with pox gas less miserable?
gray juniper
I don't care
I’m in hell divers chat?
marble crater
Soon, 1,5 more months
marble crater
How can I make playing havocs with pox gas less miserable?
Corruption resistance and health curios
indigo thunder
Corruption resistance and health curios
Thought it's better to get toughness up
gray juniper
Ngl I just avoid those havocs. It’s too irritating
static sonnet
How can I make playing havocs with pox gas less miserable?
I think that modifier not only has health stims everywhere, but actually gives you increased toughness replenishment to help you fight in it. Like 50% more from all toughness replenishing sources.
Not to be confused with the Tox gas that the Tox bombers throw, I think that reduces it
marble crater
Havoc penalty for toughness is harsher than for health and more health protects you better from corruption
quartz barn
having a crowd control heavy setup also helps with the positions the gas pushes you in
gray juniper
I think that modifier not only has health stims everywhere, but actually gives y...
That would work if more players prioritized tox bombers but that never happens
quartz barn
i mean most people in havoc dont have setups that can reach them
like psyker mostly has trauma and purg with bb and bubble
static sonnet
That would work if more players prioritized tox bombers but that never happens
Specials in general. I tell everyone new players I play with, bosses are lowest priority, specials are highest. Elits and bosses might get one person down, but specials end runs FAST if not delt with
quartz barn
zealots almost always use bleed bolter or flamer
no one wants vet on the team, so it just leaves oggy and arbit
modest perch
idk i still like having a vet for ammo gen
gray juniper
Specials in general. I tell everyone new players I play with, bosses are lowest ...
It’s like there’s always that one or two clutch guy who can switch out ranges and melee fast to one shot specialist until you try a pox gas mission then they’re never there
gray juniper
no one wants vet on the team, so it just leaves oggy and arbit
Arby just swings maul and wonders why no one else is fairing as good
wispy bay
And yet Vet is the one of the 2 classes I win H40 with the most.
gray juniper
I miss vet so bad bro
wispy bay
I do think abry is strong, but when you have 4 characters trying to do the same thing, the team is not as good.
static sonnet
Idc how bad vet might be, if I have a vet on my team that is prioritizing ranged enemies for me, I'll defend him with my life
wispy bay
Having focus target also helps the team way more than people think.
quartz barn
but why are most of the vets i see running stealth 
gray juniper
Someone was trash talking it yesterday but I don’t think they notice the difference when it’s ran
wispy bay
The "but I can't just kill them instead" sounds good, but then those guy always die because they can't focus on anything.
round summit
is this a correctly crafted voidblast staff?
gray juniper
Book zealot seems stronger than shout vet anyway
wispy bay
VoC has faster cd though.
gray juniper
Didn’t know that
rigid moss
VoC is 30s cd -6s for every specialist kill the vet does.
static sonnet
Book zealot seems stronger than shout vet anyway
Also vet getting 6 second cd refund on special kill is fuckin 👌👌👌
rigid moss
Book is like... 120s?
wispy bay
Also the talent that gives flat cdr instead of cdr%.
gray juniper
Well like if you’re not holding it down between book or shout times you’re not going to make it anyway yea?
gray juniper
Book is like... 120s?
Gah damn lmao
wispy bay
In H40, you get VoC like every 10-15 sec.
rigid moss
^
static sonnet
In fact, I think its with 3x4% regen speed and 2 special kills, vet has 100% uptime on shout
rigid moss
which is why VoC is so ridiculously good
gray juniper
Still need to cover vet tho
rigid moss
coming from the guy that trashtalked stealth vets yesterday
marble crater
is this a correctly crafted voidblast staff?
Perfect
round summit
is it terrible to play voidblast with shield?
quartz barn
not at all
wispy bay
Vet is insanely strong, but you have so many things to manage.
marble crater
No
quartz barn
theres 2 main builds
gray juniper
Nah they were dissing stealth vet in vet chat but was surprised they diss focus target also
rigid moss
Vet is insanely strong, but you have so many things to manage.
I feel as a psyker I have many more decisions to make per minute of gameplay.
quartz barn
shout with blazing for soulblaze spam
rigid moss
As a vet it's mostly target prioritisation
rigid moss
Nah they were dissing stealth vet in vet chat but was surprised they diss focus ...
Right
marble crater
Shriek is just more popular because of soulblaze stacking and because the staff generates a lot of peril
round summit
indigo thunder
I think that modifier not only has health stims everywhere, but actually gives y...
I said havoc
round summit
personally i pref rending with bubble and warp charges
like that?
or u mean the blessing
quartz barn
pretty much ye
wispy bay
I feel as a psyker I have many more decisions to make per minute of gameplay.
It is comparable for me, since in H40, ammo is not a commodity.
quartz barn
but i exclusively play h40
static sonnet
I said havoc
Misread that, sorry. Hope you find a better answer then, I dont dabble in havoc yet
marble crater
I wouldn't take the rending talent, also pick the left node at the bottom, for charges upon soulblaze kills
quartz barn
so i either run inferno or voidblast if theres another psyker o nthe team
so i avoid all soulblaze talents to not claim soulblaze ownership
quartz barn
but for regular content it doesnt matter too much
round summit
mostly doing auric maelstrom but sometimes pushing havoc 25+ with friends
marble crater
gray juniper
so i avoid all soulblaze talents to not claim soulblaze ownership
Can someone quickly explain this again?
So PC is bad in all if another psker is using inferno + PC?
quartz barn
whoever applied it first "owns" the dot
so their buffs etc apply
only thing i dont fully know is if soulblaze stacks are capped if i have ownership with voidblast
marble crater
Can someone quickly explain this again?
I still cry because of all the soulblaze he stole from me
strong gulch
If doing rendi trauma / VB with an inferno user (havoc assumed), I would not skip PC. Yes you want to generally avoid stealing SB ownership because of buffs, BUT Pygex and I forget who (maybe Zazzy??) did testing and the who buffs SB seems to vary. To what degree? I forget exactly. Still best for inferno to get first app. Note that who buffs and who gets credit for damage is different.
But PC scales with density and doesn't have a cap outside of the global 31. So take PC even on rendi VB even with an inferno user on the team in havocs.
That aside, avoid wildfire as the rendi VB user. If you're not doing double bubble, then the inferno should be the one with shriek.
But that is if you're min maxing.
marble crater
Like psykers would ever do that by arguing over the effectiveness of the same talents over and over again 
strong gulch
classic
modest perch
so i avoid all soulblaze talents to not claim soulblaze ownership
why does it matter who owns the soulblaze ?
strong gulch
why does it matter who owns the soulblaze ?
I explain in the messages above. #psyker-class message
modest perch
strong gulch
In terms of scoreboard, whoever gets first application of SB owns all subsequent SB damage.
I could put 1 SB stack on something the other psyker put 14 stacks on it and all would be mine.
But buffs apparently work differently.
It isn't as straight forwards are ownership.
gray juniper
That aside, avoid wildfire as the rendi VB user. If you're not doing double bubb...
Ok really appreciate that explanation. Yea I have a vb build with PC because it’s like what else is there to replace it with?
strong gulch
Still best for inferno to get first app, but that doesn't mean drop PC.
modest perch
well yea ofc im more interested in how soulblaze ownership affects stuff like in fire reborn etc
strong gulch
well yea ofc im more interested in how soulblaze ownership affects stuff like in...
Ownership doesn't matter for that
gray juniper
Whatever makes total damage spread bigger is what I’m for
modest perch
so ive heard. what about souldrinker tho (not that anyone uses it)
strong gulch
Also doesn't matter
deft stump
I feel like that't the other reason scoreboards were removed. DoT stack ownership stuff. Too much fighting over it will happen.
south gull
I havent been able to beat dark communion havoc 40 on psyker
50+ attempts
no matter the build
ripe gazelle
does anyone have a deimos sword moveset guide or something?
or actually better yet a guide on inferno brain burst bubble playstyle for havoc
analog agate
H1H2. Repeat
hearty wolf
I havent been able to beat dark communion havoc 40 on psyker
That's interesting
It's one of the easiest maps
But it definitely feels like they've cooked a little more with new havoc compared to old
analog agate
Or is it L1H2… now I can’t remember
hearty wolf
People's positioning after first med station drop-down tends to be pretty shit and causes wipes
But after that, it should be smooth sailing all the way
ripe gazelle
Or is it L1H2… now I can’t remember
._.
well, do you remember what it looks like? all thrusts?
hearty wolf
Immediately after elevator can be a small problem
Still kinda pissed we lost those games earlier.
Really easy wins just thrown away because of some questionable plays
strong gulch
Deimos single is L1 H2
If you feck that up, just heavies is fine. Just land that H2.
You can also qq or block cancel to quickly loop the L1. L1 is not as strong as the H2, but it's pretty good and can be done very quickly.
analog agate
._.
well, do you remember what it looks like? all thrusts?
It is L1H2
ripe gazelle
and horde clear combo doesnt matter/doesnt exist because you have staff i assume
last shore
Still kinda pissed we lost those games earlier.
Really easy wins just thrown a...
We won more than we lost
strong gulch
correct also lights and block if you must melee poxes
hearty wolf
Idk it felt like we were trolling hard xd
Dark Communion target prio on the bosses was a mess
hearty wolf
Then the random rush to ritual past the army of crushers so I'm dealing with 3 bosses at the same time and one of them is a ritual dh