psyker-class

[round summit]

im using smite so im mostly just smiting everything, just need a wep to surive, been using devils claw

[umbral atlas]

Smite is more for crowd control than killing, I try not to use it any more than necessary

[jovial juniper]

EP smite killing

Turns out the best crowd control is death

Here comes EP smite

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-giga-chad-marvel-rivals-marvel-gif-6633069061005646380

[round summit]

ive just been using smite like 90% of the games 😄

[ripe obsidian]

Pls do not

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

aaaaaaaaaa

anyone wanna play dorktide?

[marble crater]

Okay I will carry you

[upper sun]

i cant even see the patch on steam db

[ocean cipher]

anyone got a fun support psyker build

[jovial juniper]

What kind of support are we talking here

[ocean cipher]

what options are there?

i love my bubble psyker

[marble crater]

Death is the best support

[jovial juniper]

Killing everything is a type of support

Because they can't hurt teammates if they are dead

[ocean cipher]

was thinking bubble/smite/trauma, or bubble/purgatus

[jovial juniper]

Yeah that works

[ocean cipher]

i just really like my soulblaze

also how do i make the FGS work? feels like it does no damage

ive got Wrath/Riposte on it rn

[ripe obsidian]

No damage to what enemy type?

And with which mark?

[jovial juniper]

You gotta use those stabs and heavy Strikedowns

There's a stab after a push attack usually

So you can isolate an enemy with the force shove then big stab while it's off balance

[ocean cipher]

also is Surge staff any good

last i used it it was fun but rly inconsistent

[ripe obsidian]

It is good. Falls off a bit in Havoc.

Falls off hard in pus-hardened Havoc

And Final Toll, since that prevents CC

[rotund dagger]

Surge is like smite if it was fun and useful

[jovial juniper]

Still inconsistent

You deal 6 or 60000 damage

[strong gulch]

ye

[ripe obsidian]

Yes, but I am at work.

[ocean cipher]

aight
Bubble/Smite/Trauma, or Bubble/BB/Purgatus

[sinful peak]

who up dorking they tide

[jovial juniper]

Smite Trauma is a bit redundant don't you think

[ocean cipher]

trauma for horde, fire, and stagger

smite for locking down big'uns

[jovial juniper]

They are basically performing the same AoE stagger role here

Because trauma can knock down ogryns

[ocean cipher]

tbf i just really like fire support psyker

fire + dome is rly fun

[strong gulch]

@upper sun I'm having audio issues so I can't rn

[ocean cipher]

also dang surge staff is inconsistent

ik the perks arent it but this is the blessings u want right

[strong gulch]

ye

[analog agate]

Tbf, outside of inferno, all staves are inconsistent until fully upgraded

[round summit]

so when are we suposed to use smite? if not all the time?

[jovial juniper]

Not against bosses

Nor 2 isolated enemies

Everything else is fair game

[ocean cipher]

found a funny interaction

if u have wildfire and perilous combustion and kill any of the specialists in the big cluster in the meatgrinder, they get trapped in a deathloop

[round summit]

this is what ive beenn going with

[strong gulch]

EK (eelectro staff / surge) will always be inconsistent.

There is a floor and a ceiling between which the RMB does random damage.

[ripe obsidian]

Yup. Wildfire does weird things in the meat grinder

It lingers for like 6 seconds after an enemy dies

[ocean cipher]

also smite and purgatus dont combo well right

cuz theyre both big aoe

[strong gulch]

If the situation is destabilized then smite can be used to stabilize it. It's for oh shit moments. You can also quickly stun and throw the enemies you want to position them for melee.

Here's my spiel about smite and why you'll get push back when using it.

"Smite is often misused and has a big impact on other player's experiences. If it's used to perma stun enemies so people don't get to play and those enemies are CCed in a bad position or spread out or if you are slowing the team down by lagging behind just stunning stuff, people will leave the game, barrel you, not res you, etc. The CC also doesn't all "on dodge" blessings and talents to function. Parry is also out.

Because of the way Smite ticks and spreads, it's very good at getting the last bit of damage of an enemy's health. It also is an enabler for the rest of the psyker's kit and snowballs A LOT. So the way it scales in high density is absurd.

A lot of smite users also don't learn how to dodge or manage CC immune enemies.

A culture of dodging smykers has formed because of this."

[strong gulch]

and neither are long range

yay audio issues fixed

[ripe obsidian]

Huzzah

What audio issues?

[verbal thistle]

@ripe gazelle

[round summit]

i know how to dodge 😄

and people usuelly say i play good, and that they love the CC

so i think im doing it corretly

just maybe tiny bit to much

[ocean cipher]

what sort of build would i want smite on?

[verbal thistle]

none

[ocean cipher]

?

[ripe obsidian]

At what difficulty level?

[round summit]

mostly auric maelstrom

just recently started trying havoc

[ripe obsidian]

Smite is a dirty word here.

[strong gulch]

That good. IDK what difficulty you're playing on, but oftem people will be mad in auric and meals if you contantly smite things.

[strong gulch]

#psyker-class message

[round summit]

had 0 complains

[ripe obsidian]

Potato already gave a detailed answer as to why people dislike smite.

[round summit]

usuelly people are really happy

[ripe obsidian]

If someone is just holding smite in havoc games, I am usually frustrated because they're barely contributing.

[ocean cipher]

whats wrong with it?

[strong gulch]

already typed it out

[ocean cipher]

oh thats fair

[ripe obsidian]

Between purgatus LMB/trauma, Ogryn everything, Arbites everything, grenades, AoEs, and so on, enemies are usually either staggered or stunned, or they're immune.

Smite does low damage and is often redundant if not used carefully.

[ocean cipher]

fair

on that note, purgatus or trauma

[ripe obsidian]

It can be a great "oh shit" button

[ocean cipher]

i like em both and am having a hard time deciding

[ripe obsidian]

Trauma is more fun, purgatus is more burnination

[shut kite]

Gotta say, after Ive playtested it and sorta "mastered" qq-cancelling on trauma, Rats build is actually kinda meta for havoc (except Crystalline Will and +1 wound, Ive never exploded, despite everything). Even blast radius is not even that relevant, since from what i could tell, it doesn't affect main center target 100% damage. Most of the time you also dont need to full charge. Its almost always better to stagger and two/three shot, rather than try and get a critical one/two shot or try and get more enemies in one hit. For pure dps, a SG warp-flurry blaze trauma build is better than a nexus build, if you are effective at qq-cancelling. Ive tried both kinda builds and while rats build is alot harder it also performs better when played well.

[ripe obsidian]

Both are good.

[ocean cipher]

i just realized they both build the exact same right

like, psyker wise

[analog agate]

Lol Rat’s build is not meta

[ocean cipher]

if im doing blazing trauma

[analog agate]

And you qq cancel on regular builds

I do

[ocean cipher]

whats qq cancelling

[ripe obsidian]

I don't. I am too lazy.

[analog agate]

Weapon swap cancel

[shut kite]

Yeah but qq-cancelling with warp flurry is so much better than doing nexus

[analog agate]

No

[strong gulch]

No

[ripe obsidian]

No

[marble crater]

@upper sun would you believe me if I said my button was broken?

[shut kite]

Nah it is ive tested it over the last few days (feels alot better)

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/nuggetand-cat-car-cat-meme-cats-gif-13549128190129307854

[ripe obsidian]

You're welcome to enjoy it. But it's not meta, nor is it better.

[strong gulch]

Even with swap cancel blazing spirit nexus is better.

Enjoy the way you play

[upper sun]

which button

[strong gulch]

Rat is also a lover of swap cancel

[marble crater]

For pulling people up

[upper sun]

🤔

yeah its fine

you wont need it

one more?

[strong gulch]

Swap cancel is only really better for is you only do partial charges.

[marble crater]

Good, because it's not broken

Sure one more

[shut kite]

Im just getting better dps running warp flurry than nexus if im also running SG

also alot more stagger

[strong gulch]

You do get benefit with full charges as well pecause it lets you cast faster but swap scales better with partials

But it's trauma / VB. More charge more good.

[shut kite]

Yeah but in gameplay ive often found thats its better to do 2 partials rather than one full

[strong gulch]

Rat does well with his build and he's gonna keep play that way which is just fine.

[shut kite]

ofc ofc

Just saying im performing better with his playstyle rather than the traditional build/playstyle

Still alot worse than inferno though

[strong gulch]

Oh for sure. If it works better for you then do it.

But that's not the case for most.

[ripe obsidian]

Inferno feels bad to me on anything below like H30 at this point. No enemy density.

[shut kite]

Yeah its also really tough on the fingers to spam that much

[ripe obsidian]

I demand mass burnination, not these piddling excuses for hordes

[shut kite]

But having played both im getting better results with rats guide

[analog agate]

If you do well with Rat’s build, awesome. Keep at it. Just be fine with it not being meta

[ripe obsidian]

My issue with Purgatus lately is that Arbites and Ogryns kill everything before my stacks can really kick off, even if I'm burning things before they arrive

[weary crane]

Is steam down rn?

[ripe obsidian]

https://steamstat.us/

[strong gulch]

ye

[upper sun]

bruh

[shut kite]

tbf trauma will never ever be meta with inferno staff this strong

[marble crater]

😠

[upper sun]

i just wanted to play video games

[ripe obsidian]

???

Trauma is absolutely meta.

[upper sun]

fuck it im out

dcs ruin my will to play 😭

[shut kite]

bad boss damage

[ripe obsidian]

So?

[analog agate]

Depends on the havoc modifier. Red enemies are the only ones who fuck VB.

[upper sun]

@strong gulch we were duoing the whole map(power creep made us pro)

[marble crater]

Not like the mission was difficult anyway, we just held down forward with 4 Arbites and 4 dogs

[strong gulch]

They both have their downsides. Purg and cara lol

[upper sun]

it was just us

[weary crane]

Pushardned is my enemy bc it throws all breakpoints out the window, especially bb

[round summit]

do u guys use guns as secondary? if so what guns? im using infantry autogun

[deep shadow]

what is the meta right now?

[ripe obsidian]

Like the thirty red crushers chasing me last night

[analog agate]

For havoc or non havoc?

[ripe obsidian]

At what difficulty and in what sense?

[ripe gazelle]

okay so being an absolute kretin idk what im doing
i want bread and butter meta build for havoc
inferno bubble i assume

[strong gulch]

So scary

[deep shadow]

havoc

[analog agate]

Inferno or VB staff

[strong gulch]

purg or VB with bubble

[ripe obsidian]

Purgatus or blaze Trauma as primary psyker, EK as secondary

[analog agate]

Bubble knight is off meta but you can do well with it

[strong gulch]

inferno or trauma

feck

FATSHARK

these names

[ocean cipher]

what melees go well with purgatus

[ocean cipher]

what is bubble knight

that sounds rly fun

[analog agate]

You know. If you guys just used the correct new names in the first place you would be used to it 😄

[ripe obsidian]

Single-target damage. DSIV, Deimos, Obscurus, knife.

Tac axe probably

[analog agate]

Look up Agent Chaos on youtube. You can see his build

[strong gulch]

Single target like DS, deimos, knife, obscurus etc

[deep shadow]

wich one is trauma

[analog agate]

⬆️

See

[strong gulch]

Trauma is the old name for VB (voidblast)

[ocean cipher]

which video?

[marble crater]

@strong gulch look at this skill

[ocean cipher]

oh found it

[deep shadow]

is brain rapture any good?

[ripe obsidian]

It's fine

[round summit]

happend to me 2 times in same spot

[ripe obsidian]

Not amazing

[upper sun]

why is ur game so dark

huh steam is down

[marble crater]

Because it's darktide, not brighttide, smh

[upper sun]

i cant even get the community to load

[vernal temple]

jesus, just had one of the shittiest Havoc 40 missions ever. Half the team kept crashing and reconnecting, but thankfully we made it. Unfortunately our ogryn crashed and left strike team right at the very extraction 😦

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/waynes-no-stairway-denied-gif-12113830

[upper sun]

i still dont know why they hate that song in music stores

[languid pasture]

what's the key to not dying running inferno? im coming from grinding arbites for the last two weeks and i just explode

not psyker explode like die instantly

[deep shadow]

what blitz do u guys think is best?

[vernal temple]

BB

[marble crater]

Assail if it was on the left side of the tree

[shut kite]

battle meditation or empyric resolv if you arent using them

[deep shadow]

so is the lighting blitz bad?

[strong gulch]

Wiggle the fire more and dodge more. Look for escape routes and leave before you get boxed in.

Take shriek if you need to make more room or fin it a LMB.

[analog agate]

For staff builds brain rupture because we use the modifier Kinetic Flayer. For gun/melee builds Assail

[marble crater]

No, it's my favorite for auric

[tulip kettle]

yeah

[analog agate]

Lol F you

[tulip kettle]

you should take it and ep

and pretty much only spam smite

everyone loves that

[marble crater]

What did I do

[deep shadow]

how do u use brain rapture effectivly

[strong gulch]

Bad in the if it's misused it can negatively impact other player's experience. It's really strong and scales with density. It's quite strong for little effort and turn enemy AI off. SO a lot of people dislike it.

[tulip kettle]

by taking kinetic flayer

[marble crater]

Oh, lightning blitz, I read lighting staff

[tulip kettle]

and letting kinetic flayer do its thing

[analog agate]

Yeah, I just tried to log in

[tulip kettle]

you dont really actually use bb

except to clean snipers and bombers and stuff

[weary crane]

I do

[tulip kettle]

in meme builds sure

[shut kite]

Other than trauma blaze why are people running KF with staffs? Like it kinda sometimes cucks your damage on EK and its a liability on inferno for poxbursters.

[marble crater]

I want to change my answer to yes if you use it incorrectly

[tulip kettle]

to clear shooters or w/e ocasionally sure

[weary crane]

Nah its good in havoc

[tulip kettle]

just stop trolling

[languid pasture]

What’s the gameplay loop for inferno? Put down bubble, spam charge?

[ripe obsidian]

Free damage, faster soulblaze spread

[deep shadow]

why not pick other blitz then

[tulip kettle]

because kf is very good

smite is very bad

[analog agate]

Maybe they are doing additional maintenance today. Same time it is down as Tuesday

[marble crater]

Because then you have to use the blitz

[tulip kettle]

and you need left side so cant take assail

[shut kite]

On what staff other than trauma are you running KF

[tulip kettle]

i mean yes

[ripe obsidian]

Purgatus and EK

[weary crane]

https://youtube.com/shorts/lWKZx5I18YM?feature=shared

[tulip kettle]

but i dont think the build is actually good

except in high havoc

[marble crater]

All of them except voidstrike, because I don't play it

[tulip kettle]

inferno is very good in high havoc and very bad everywhere else

[languid pasture]

Sorry noob question I’m just currently not surviving with it and have never played it

[ripe obsidian]

BB is more useful in H40 than in lower difficulties, even without considering KF.

[shut kite]

You are missing out its pretty fun in aurics

[tulip kettle]

and yes on psyker play careful

you are very squishy

[ocean cipher]

wait
Shred Unstable on FGS??

[marble crater]

It's... not, that's why I don't play it

[tulip kettle]

i like wrath shred

[deep shadow]

so what is diffrent in 40 for bb

[languid pasture]

Is inferno in auric not the move?

[tulip kettle]

no

[ocean cipher]

looking at the bubble knight build rn and chaos runs shred unstable

which kinda surprises me

[tulip kettle]

enemy density and hp just isnt high enough to make it worthwhile

imo

[ripe obsidian]

I feel like I am squishier than usual this week. Just randomly dying--not even going down, just dead--from full HP

[tulip kettle]

yes, a lot

idk though

[ripe obsidian]

More high value targets I can't reach without dying

[tulip kettle]

nearly every game i played with randoms last 2 days i have been the last one down

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, same here

But when I am dying, it is sudden and instant

[tulip kettle]

and i always feel like in that situation im just fucked

[deep shadow]

is buble best ability for high avoc?

[tulip kettle]

yes

with no question

[weary crane]

couldn't be me

[ripe obsidian]

I run away and spam LMB when I have space

[tulip kettle]

i mean sure

but like my last game

theres twins and a spawn and a million things

i killed the spawn but its just too much

[ripe obsidian]

I managed to solo twins and a horde as Arby the other day, but then a gunner shot me as a Spawn killed my toughness

[deep shadow]

where can i find the meta build for psyker

[ripe obsidian]

Pins

[tulip kettle]

🧀

[analog agate]

Shred allows for more dmg on beefy boys. Unstable is for more dmg with Scriers

[deep shadow]

thx

[shut kite]

Just hold block and dodge out when things get spicy and occasionally throw a lmb inferno to re-up dots

[ocean cipher]

he doesnt use scriers

[analog agate]

Ohhhh yeah lol

Bubble. Doy

[ripe obsidian]

Assail weaving

Assail weave to keep peril up

[tulip kettle]

the problem with dodge out

is then theres 16 red bulwarks and crushers

what then

[ripe obsidian]

You die

[shut kite]

You die

[tulip kettle]

this is indeed my experience

[ripe obsidian]

Red enemies are the worst

[tulip kettle]

i cannot do my h 40 assignment

i just tried with a team of all TL 800+

[ripe obsidian]

Red enemies are a DPS check more than anything

[tulip kettle]

managed to make it to the last section

[strong gulch]

I added a "Simit 'bad'?" section to the 2nd pin.

[ripe obsidian]

Map and modifiers?

[tulip kettle]

but like i have tried with so many people including a few from here and its just so dumb

oubliette pink red

[ripe obsidian]

Dying in the big open dropdown?

[tulip kettle]

sometimes

sometimes at the top of the riser

sometimes at the road over the courtyard

[ripe obsidian]

Oubliette and Logistratum have the two worst killboxes imo. Excise Vault after that

[tulip kettle]

its just relentless

[ripe obsidian]

Oops, all gunners

[marble crater]

me still not knowing the maps by name

[tulip kettle]

usually over 3m damage across the team before half way

[strong gulch]

I know some of them now

[strong gulch]

Wow steam still down.

Maybe I go read

[ripe obsidian]

The lone bruiser cares not for your damage output. It will one-shot you from behind a wall anyway

[marble crater]

Is it finally time to use Epic maybe?

[ripe obsidian]

Or the netter through bubble, or the gunner through bubble

[strong gulch]

I do have that. 😭

Epic so bad

[marble crater]

Probably not down though

[strong gulch]

true

[weary crane]

Some mf intern has done something at steam

[strong gulch]

intern will at least be blamed

if there isn't one that they can hire one and fire em

[hearty wolf]

I don't think Oubillete is hard

It's just afk for 2h sim waiting for safety

[shut kite]

What is the best video/channel of a player, playing trauma to its "meta" extent?

[hearty wolf]

Then you just need to play the next part with a better kite path than running into 16 crushers

Do I come back for one run just to prove it

[ocean cipher]

do the different relics actually matter

[gray juniper]

Ngl I love that map

It’s all straight forward

[strong gulch]

Agent Chaos on youtube is good for that. He's been doing melee lately tho. So vids will be old but still relevant.

[vernal temple]

you mean the martyr's skulls? they just give some plasteel and a bit of lore

[ocean cipher]

meant curios, mb

[strong gulch]

General rec is 201 hp and x1 sniper resist. That let's you tank a sniper shot and multiple bursters. How you get there is up to you.

BUT curios are preference and playstyle dependent.

[vernal temple]

the type of curio (the image depicted, not the stats it provides) doesn't affect anything

[strong gulch]

YOu could do none of what I just said and be fine

[shut kite]

I was thinking someone who plays a bit more like a sweat, someone who takes it to its full "meta" potential. Ive already seen their videos, im a big fan.

[gray juniper]

My memory says something about about you guys discussing toughness being more valuable on higher difficulty over health because health loss is severe and inevitable in highest difficulties

And something about corruption filling in your health bar on damage?

[analog agate]

I don’t know of anyone.

[limber jacinth]

anyone willing to help me out with the Malleus Monstronum penance if possible😅? (While on Heresy threat or higher kill a Monstrosity after damaging 50 of its health with your Brain Burst. "private match only")

[strong gulch]

Anyone I can think of haven't been uploading for a long time.

or they stream and don't save the vids on the tubes.

I don't watch streams much

[shut kite]

If you can name a streamer ill see if i can catch them streaming one day

[wet charm]

squeak (yay, rat is glad it has helped!) ;D

[shut kite]

Big fan you opened my eyes to a new way of playing 🙂

[strong gulch]

I think Telopts was running a lot of VB in havoc 1.0. IDK about now. I don't watch much.

[wet charm]

squeak (rat thinks it is one of those situations when you dont see the benefits unless you are scurrying at a high level)

squeak (most of the benefits arnt fully realised unless you have mastered weapon swap cancelling with the voidblast and have good movement and enough experience scurrying)

[cosmic sigil]

RAT

[shut kite]

Really like when rending helps my PC on crushers

[strong gulch]

Like, this shit is so old that it's not even relevent. There's been mechanic changes.

not just tree

[cosmic sigil]

AFAIK Telopots played like one match of Havoc

[wet charm]

squeak (KEET!!)

[cosmic sigil]

He played zealot relic Blade with recon

Probably straight to 40

[strong gulch]

Did I catch the one instance he was playing trauma and havoc?? lmao

[cosmic sigil]

And stopped streaming dt just after

[strong gulch]

IDK how telepots even plays VB tbh

[cosmic sigil]

He may have played more but not a lot

[analog agate]

Not to toot my own horn. But I may the sweatiest VB player I know. But I don’t do any streaming or recording

[ripe obsidian]

All enemies do additional corruption damage in havoc. It's why crushers instakill, because your healthbar becomes purple

I am not sure of the current state of the argument of toughness vs health for Psyker

But most other classes go pure toughness b/c toughness comes back, health doesn't

So you ostensibly get more value from extra toughness

Issue is, in Havoc both toughness and health are reduced, and the toughness reduction is harsher

"- Health Reduction mutator apply after buffs (from curios for example), but only affect your base Health amount.

• Toughness reduction applies before buffs happen, thus will reduce the effect of toughness increases"

[tulip kettle]

i take one corr resist on one of my curios

i played with beans earlier who doesnt

i was noticeably more resistant to the corruption

from otherwise taking damage

[late sapphire]

doesn't this mean the flat toughness boni are way more valuable?

[ripe obsidian]

Swapping a 17% toughness for 21% health on my psyker build is a difference of 100 T/113 H to 90 T and 144 H

[ripe obsidian]

Yes

[tulip kettle]

yes getting +15T from the tree is good

[ripe obsidian]

But the % increases go off base toughness, I believe, so they don't benefit from the flat increases. I could be wrong.

I'd have to double check.

[ripe obsidian]

After getting absolutely bonked by corruption these last few days, I am probably gonna swap one of my %cdr for corruption resist

If for no other reason than to avoid dying instantly to a random poxwalker

[sly lance]

i was too but looked it up and found this
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/zfycag/corruption_resistance/

[ocean cipher]

ty! thas what i tryna ask

my words aren't working great

also how do i use bubbleknight properly
it looks like a really advanced build but also looks insanely fun

[shut kite]

Anybody know if mk6 FGS has better boss dps if you spam the push stab attack?

[ocean cipher]

whats the difference between mk6 and mk8 fgs

i was told to use mk8 but im having a very hard time with it

[ripe obsidian]

That's old enough that it's probably not true anymore

But thank you

[shut kite]

Okay i tested it briefly and i think its about the same if not a bit slower

[long wharf]

wording is hard, it is known.

[sly lance]

i like the swing pattern of 8 better at least. the other one has a forward stab

[ocean cipher]

i cant seem to find a combo for horde clear aside from just L1 L2 L3

[sly lance]

voidblast works

[jovial juniper]

There's like a heavy light one

I won't fully remember rn

[ocean cipher]

was planning on trying bubbleknight and that needs recon las

[analog agate]

Mk8 horde combo is either all lights. Or sweaty which is L1L2 block cancel

[ocean cipher]

but for trauma staff i can def use that for hordes

[sly lance]

for recon lasgun, my fav is assail w/ cleave bonus on peril

[ocean cipher]

yep! thats the plan

[ripe obsidian]

Hm.

Water is coming up the drain in my sink.

[ocean cipher]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9f5c4a88-cb79-46b7-8148-c7b0524ac2fc
heres the build (i just copied it off of Chaos Agent's video)

[ripe obsidian]

This is not ideal.

[ocean cipher]

Hm.

that is certainly not

[sly lance]

not good imo. empowered psionics is better for assail + lasgun

and those top left talents skippable

[ocean cipher]

its a super wierd off-meta build i was wanting to try

[sly lance]

no clue what meta is. ive just tried most everything with lasgun

[ocean cipher]

thats fair

[analog agate]

Be aware this is a H40 build

[ocean cipher]

could def go empowered psionics, it doesnt cost extra

[ocean cipher]

how do i tone it down for regular gameplay

[sly lance]

ep is great for assail

[ocean cipher]

cuz i aint to h40 yet

[ocean cipher]

ep?

also why do some havoc builds not work in regular games?

[analog agate]

Well, regular gameplay (unless you really want it) is not bubble knight. It would be a regular melee/gunker build. Bubble isn’t needed

[static needle]

Did they ever bufff headhunter (vigilant) autoguns?

[ocean cipher]

i just love bubble

by far my favorite psyker ult

[ocean cipher]

i hope so

[sly lance]

shock bubble in trials is great

[ocean cipher]

i love headhunters but they felt bad last i tried to use em

is infernus one of those 100% necessary things on accatran las
i remember recons being basically unusable without it

just wondering if im gonna have to suffer thru a gun that feels like ass till i level it up

[analog agate]

Something like that

[long wharf]

typical assail build right there

[analog agate]

Essentially

But they want bubble and not SG

[long wharf]

though I personally grab venting shriek

[ocean cipher]

thats the same build is it not? aside from the one point in assail

[ocean cipher]

i dont like shriek all that much

[analog agate]

Nah. I got rid of his toughness nodes. Not needed in non havoc

[long wharf]

shriek is amazing

but play how you want

[analog agate]

And I added crack the bone

[ocean cipher]

its good dont get me wrong
im just a bubble main at heart

[long wharf]

which is fine

definitely room for a proper placed bubble basically every run

[ocean cipher]

im a titan main at heart and after ward of dawn got trashed i had to find my bubble gameplay elsewhere

[long wharf]

I don't know what "titan" refers to here

[ocean cipher]

why is souldrinker where it is????

[ocean cipher]

destiny class

[jovial juniper]

[ocean cipher]

my favorite playstyle (dome) got trashed a while back

[long wharf]

oh, right

I played space wizard in Destiny 1 as well

[ocean cipher]

like why is it on the OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE TREE from every other soulflame talent

[long wharf]

but stopped shortly after the Vault of Glass opened up

[analog agate]

You don’t want soul drinker. Is bad

[long wharf]

yeah, that's a noob trap

[ocean cipher]

i wasnt gonna take it obviously its just like

why is it there???

[long wharf]

my guess is because the tree designer didn't know what to put there

and picked randomly from a hat

[analog agate]

They wanted to encourage a melee soul blaze build

[long wharf]

what a truly dumb idea

but then, we have to keep in mind at all times that the devs do not play above malice

[jovial juniper]

😭

[pulsar cedar]

is psyker getting a rework? i keep hearing different classes are getting reworks "soon" but it's never consistent

[analog agate]

No

Zealot is

[pulsar cedar]

oooh

is there a post on the forums somewhere saying that?

[analog agate]

It was, I think the January/February update. The ogryn one

The said they are looking into zealot.

[pulsar cedar]

jesus all the way back then

[analog agate]

Yeah. It will probably happen in the fall

[pulsar cedar]

hope so. i love playing zealot, having a blast

psyker not so much...

[analog agate]

Outside of some talents that need to be made not useless. Psyker is pretty good imo

[gleaming dust]

Lingering infulence or perfection?

[pulsar cedar]

i've been doing pretty well in damnation with psyker but i think i need to move away from my zealot habits

using greatsword and voidblast with scrier's gaze

fun but i feel super vulnerable around elites

beta psyker 😔

[ripe obsidian]

Psyker is probably the second strongest class right now

Ogryn > Psyker/Arbites > Zealot > Veteran

[long wharf]

uhhhhh

I absolutely wouldn't put psyker tied with arbites

arbites is stronger than ogryn

[ripe obsidian]

No.

[long wharf]

easily

[ripe obsidian]

Not at all.

[long wharf]

yes.

the power creep is real

[ripe obsidian]

Ogryn can literally just LMB and W through H40 and take no damage.

[long wharf]

why do you think arbites is any different?

[ripe obsidian]

Because Arbites can't do that?

[long wharf]

the amount of DR arbites gets is insane

[ripe obsidian]

I have played a lot of H40 Arbites. It's strong, not arguing that, and it's definitely power creep, but it's not on Ogryn's level

A good Psyker changes the game more than a good Arbiter

But it's much easier and more forgiving to be a decent Arbiter. Psyker is harder.

[long wharf]

that's definitely true

psyker is much harder to play well

[ripe obsidian]

On the whole, I would probably rather have a random player in H40 be an Arbiter.

[jovial juniper]

Just dodge lol

[ripe obsidian]

As they're more likely to be decent. But if it's a player I know is good, I would prefer them to be a Psyker.

Or just four Ogryns

[analog agate]

Psyker stronger than arby

[strong quail]

whats a great endgame avail build?

[analog agate]

See pins

[ripe obsidian]

Can we pin a message saying to look at pinned messages? :D

[jovial juniper]

Mfw when the whole suppression/stagger identity of arbys gets mogged by a voidBLAST staff

[analog agate]

If you mean assail there is a gunker build below the pins post if you click on it. Or you can try and find Ainz’s assail build

[sly lance]

currenty enjoying voidblast wildfire build. can walk right up to ogres

[ripe obsidian]

Voidblast is very strong

[sly lance]

currently using brain burst with it

can help with bosses that way

[ripe obsidian]

BB is not an amazing boss tool.

Honestly, as Psyker I usually get my Soulblaze stacks on a boss then focus on horde clear so my team can handle it

If there's no horde, I get out my poking stick

[sly lance]

the bb proc can be triggered by dot, so if you spam staff primary on boss it will proc brain burst

its not much, but i think its better than smite with a staff build

and assail is a deal breaker cuz no wildfire

assail also cant get the team cd reduction on kill aura

[ripe obsidian]

Assail is also not good for bosses. I wouldn't say any Psyker blitz is.

[sly lance]

assail + lasgun is actually pretty good for bosses because you just use assail to keep your peril up and switch back. i dont think any of the bosses count as armored either

[dusky bear]

every team i fight a boss with still follows the day one rule of boss fights. that is, bumrush with melees

[sly lance]

is that the rule? lately it seems like people follow the rule of run as far away as possible

[dusky bear]

iirc the shield takes extra damage, or at least has no damage resistance, against melee

[ripe obsidian]

But you are not using assail to do boss damage. It's good for scattered horde clear. Recon lasgun is a different tool. Assail is just being used to empower it. You could do the same with BB.

[dusky bear]

and once the shield drops they are on the floor and you are already in melee range, so just keep smacking

[ripe obsidian]

225 damage to a boss with 80k HP is not meaningful damage

[sly lance]

no bb is not as fast to fill peril. also if you use EP you wont get any peril at all until 3 bbs

[ripe obsidian]

All monstrosity bosses are Unyielding afaik. Captains are probably flak

[tulip kettle]

WE FUCKING DID IT

[ripe obsidian]

I do use EP in any of my builds.

[ripe obsidian]

Good job! What did you did?

[sly lance]

EP is really good with assail

[ripe obsidian]

It... isn't great.

DD is much stronger

[tulip kettle]

just 4 good players no zealot 1 vet 1 ogryn 1 arb

[ripe obsidian]

Was this the red/purple Oubliette?

[sly lance]

EP is cheaper to get

also 20% peril damage is on the way

[dull scroll]

the only way to get amazing boss damage on this class is to use the uncanny/bleed dagger

[analog agate]

? Guns do amazing boss dps

[dull scroll]

normally you get really good boss damage compared to team is because you are flamming everything including boss while they are not hitting it

or guns

in none havoc

[sly lance]

ya i use lasgun + assail or staff + bb

[ripe obsidian]

DD isn't hard to reach while also getting Warp Rider. What talents are you getting that are causing you issues?

Note: this build isn't really optimized, just an example

[sly lance]

i cant take any build seriously that takes perilous combustion sorry xd

[ripe obsidian]

My boss damage is all from Perilous Combustion getting 31 Soulblaze stacks on a boss.

[ripe obsidian]

What.

Perilous Combustion is a near-mandatory talent.

[sly lance]

nah you can do a wildfire cirt based build better and not require a certain kind of enemy to set things on fire

[vast yew]

PC is almost mandatory

It's a lot of horde clear for free when you kill elites/specials

[vestal trench]

the only other time i saw someone say PC bad was tanner lindberg

[vast yew]

2 elites dead means every poxwalker around them is gonezo

[sly lance]

ya you can do wildfire and clear with any enemy

[ripe obsidian]

PC can stack soulblaze faster, stack it over the cap, spread from Kinetic Flayer pops...

[dull scroll]

PC with vent and your dmg goes infinite

[analog agate]

Some melee builds don’t use PC. But every other build? PC is taken

[vast yew]

How do you think Wildfire works

[jovial juniper]

You're getting soulblaze from where to proc Wildfire

[dull scroll]

the stacks don't progress linearly and your damage starts to skyrocket 😌

[analog agate]

PC and wildfire work well together

[sly lance]

you just use crits to generate your initial stacks

[dull scroll]

wildfire is generally bad if you already have a lot of source of warpfire like vent

but very good if you only using the warfire truma

[sly lance]

ok i guess yall havent figured it out yet xd

[vast yew]

Crits? Crits from what? Blazing Spirit?

[ripe obsidian]

Wildfire is stronger with more soulblaze sources

[jovial juniper]

Crits by themselves don't proc soulblaze

[dull scroll]

it's actually the exact opposite

[vast yew]

Wildfire only goes up to 4 stacks of Soulblaze too, which isn't enough to clear hordes (you need 6)

[sly lance]

they do if your staff is blessed for it

[ripe obsidian]

No? Wildfire gives you free stacks to build toward maxing out.

[vast yew]

Yeah if you're running Fire Trauma

No other staff build takes that Blessing

[sly lance]

trust me i know wildfire seems crappy but i tried without it and it doesnt work heh

[jovial juniper]

But what if I'm not using staff

[vast yew]

Inferno doesn't need it of course

[sly lance]

not really part of the convo then

[vast yew]

It isn't crappy, it's only on a few specific builds

[strong gulch]

Wildfire and blazing spirit are two different things

[vestal trench]

one guys testing vs five other guys testing gang gang

[vast yew]

PC works on every build, so it's absolutely part of the convo

[sly lance]

ya i only use it on this voidblast aids fire build

[dull scroll]

it will only put stacks on enemies that have no stack, if you have a lot of sources of warpfire that means most enemies will already have stacks on them

[ripe obsidian]

No one here is going to trust your confidently incorrect takes if you're saying PC is bad. What a goofy ass thing to say.

[jovial juniper]

Wdym

[analog agate]

Tbf, we also all agree that wildfire is good to fine. We aren’t reddit

[jovial juniper]

I can get soulblaze from perilous Combustion then

[ripe obsidian]

It puts it on enemies with <4 stacks. And with horde density in Havoc, that means you're getting up to 4 stacks on enemies who haven't even gotten on screen yet.

[vestal trench]

the "several people are typing" the moment pc being bad got said is so fucking funny

[vast yew]

IIRC it puts stacks on enemies that have less stacks than the enemy that died did, up to 4, so it can technically get up to 4

[jovial juniper]

[sly lance]

staves can set soul flame much more than guns

[vast yew]

From the guy who joined the server literally yesterday lol

[vast yew]

Right, which is why Wildfire is a bad talent on gun builds. But that does nothing to support your argument of PC being bad lmao

[vestal trench]

this is like the first time psyker chat's like bruh outside of smyker discourse

[dull scroll]

people, 4 stacks is literally like a second with inferno staff, and if you have vent, anything you can possibly reach will have more than 4 stacks

[sly lance]

idk seems like pc is a waste if youre crit build

[jovial juniper]

you mean only 2 staff

[vast yew]

The thing is PC gets even stronger with more Soulblaze due to how the Soulblaze damage curve works

[jovial juniper]

A CRIT build is better with guns

[sly lance]

i wouldnt take wildfire without a staff because you wont be spreading soul flame as much

[strong gulch]

PC has no cap outside of the global cap.

[vast yew]

If you check the pins, the only builds that recommend Wildfire are the 2 staff builds

[analog agate]

This isn’t the first time. We always have someone new saying something is bad. PC, ER, Wildfire are the usual suspects

[sly lance]

i tried to read pins and theres just so many

i make my own builds

[vestal trench]

those 3 are the ones i initially asked about but without confidence cause i heard em from tanner

[vast yew]

It's the second pin

[vestal trench]

and yall convinced me p quick lol

[vast yew]

You barely tried lmao

[ripe obsidian]

Wildfire spreads beyond what you can reach.

[sly lance]

wildfire's aoe is definately larger than youd think

[ripe obsidian]

Wildfire means a horde is ablaze before they even enter the map properly.

[vast yew]

You don't take Wildfire for damage on Inferno IMO, you take it so you can guarantee IFR

[sly lance]

it actually does clear weak enemies though eventually

[vast yew]

Wildfire is incapable of clearing weak enemies on Damnation unless you wait a very long time

[ripe obsidian]

I take wildfire so every poxwalker already has 4 stacks and I scale that much faster, as well as guaranteed IFR

[strong gulch]

Even 1 SB stack can proc KF too. That can be the tox bomber no one can find.

[vast yew]

and keep reapplying it

[sly lance]

in actual practice it does because the last ones to die get more stacks

[strong gulch]

Ye refresh is a thing too

[dull scroll]

yes, I am aware it says that on paper, but in practice, assuming you have lot of source of stacks like inferno+vent, that part comes into play very little

[vast yew]

No they don't, Wildfire spread can't add more stacks than the guy who died had, up to 4

Guy with 4 stacks dies, the nearest 4 enemies get 1 stack each

[sly lance]

go try it with creature spawwner. it will clear the last few out

[vast yew]

If you don't reapply fire that's it

[dull scroll]

like wildfire is very good for the soulblaze trauma, but for inferno/vent it's not very good

[vast yew]

In what timeframe? Because yeah I'm sure if I wait like 30 seconds and have Wildfire keep applying 1-2 stacks to stuff they'll eventually die

[strong gulch]

where's the wildfire copy pasta?

[vast yew]

But I could also do literally anything productive and get on with the next guy

[sly lance]

wildfire on paper seems bad, but in practice its really good for voidblast or flamer staff

[vast yew]

Yes, we are aware

[sly lance]

and with a crit wildfire build, you dont need PC

[analog agate]

Some people dislike Wildfire, but it is good and is a damage increase. Wildfire works by spreading up to 4 stacks of soulblaze on a target that dies, with each stack being distributed evenly (so a dying target with 3 stacks spreads 3 stacks, 1 stack to each nearby enemy if there are 3 of them with 0 stacks, but will spread 4 stacks if the dying target has 4 stacks, 2 to one of the 3 nearby enemies). Wildfire will spread stacks to a target as long as the target has less than 4 stacks. Wildfire is incredibly useful because it can spread beyond your Inferno staff's range, meaning when an enemy enters Inferno's range you already have 4 stacks applied to them when in tense, Auric Damnation/Havoc 25+ situations due to enemy density being stupidly high. That is 1/4th of Inferno's max stacks, which is significant and really helps Inferno stack all that quicker and kill quicker, helping Wildfire spread more. On top of that, Wildfire helps eliminate chaff (4 stacks doesn't kill alone but can kill with Blaze Away and other buffs) and manage your sides/back without you doing anything. You won't be killing hordes with Wildfire, but when you turn around to face a threat you'll find enemies nice and pre-toasted. It also helps you gain more Warp Siphon stacks through In Fire Reborn, and get the first stack of Soulblaze so that your Blaze Away blessing always applies even if other Soulblaze Psykers are around. I wholeheartedly support Wildfire on an Inferno build in the game's current state (and it's still very good on a lot of other staff builds with Creeping Flames too).

[strong gulch]

thanks

[dull scroll]

you ALWAYS need PC 😂

[vast yew]

Or, and hear me out, you could take PC, and that way when you crit on the pack of Ragers and kill 2, the rest jump to 10 stacks instantly and burn to death

[strong gulch]

PC has no global cap

[ripe obsidian]

Wildfire is bugged in the meat grinder. Applies too many stacks after too long.

[sly lance]

without pc and 60% peril+ (3 stacks) you pretty much set everything on fire every cast with a crit build

[vast yew]

I'm pretty sure you max out at like 40% crit on Fire Trauma

7.5% Base, 5% Perk, 5% Aura, 5% Talent, 20% Warp nexus

That's 42.5%

[sly lance]

im just telling you how it is because its what ive tested

[jovial juniper]

Bro's insisting on a CRIT build

But only that build matters

[vast yew]

You're not telling me shit because I know how to do basic math

lmao

[jovial juniper]

[vast yew]

I run Fire Trauma a LOT

[strong gulch]

IDK why crits are specifically being said in regard to wildfire.

[vast yew]

I have no bloody idea

[strong gulch]

Is a different term meant to be used?

[vast yew]

I also have no idea how Wildfire being good has literally anything to do with PC being bad

[analog agate]

I honestly can’t tell what build anyone is talking about that this point

[vast yew]

Considering PC is an assload of free damage when there's a million Elites

[sly lance]

not sure what fire trauma is. i use voidblast

[strong gulch]

Wildfire being good would boost PC

[jovial juniper]

Yeah that's literally it

[vestal trench]

trauma is the old name for voidblast

[jovial juniper]

💀

[last shore]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[strong gulch]

trauma is old name for VB

[vestal trench]

i still dont know why they changed the names

[jovial juniper]

Fire Trauma is literally blazing spirit voidBLAST

[vast yew]

Wait, are you Desync in game

[azure quarry]

This top and pants go together that well?

[analog agate]

Cause they shared names with blessings

[last shore]

Multiple variations of it, yeah

[vast yew]

ye those pants are goated

[vast yew]

Were you the guy who added me to a strike team to ask about why I said I tied with the other guy

[sly lance]

ya idk but i dont use pc so i guess im not doing fire trauma lol

[last shore]

Yeah

[strong gulch]

Make more sense than the convo happening rn

[vast yew]

lmao

[last shore]

I was confused because you didn’t tie anyone

[vast yew]

Fire Trauma refers to a Voidblast Staff with Burning Spirit and Warp Nexus

[fierce spoke]

It's drip or drown, and brother I'm floating

[vast yew]

on Ovenproof I tied the other guy, which was amusing considering all the pregame chat about how we all were matching

[fierce spoke]

I this silly little outfit

[dull scroll]

you don't understand what PC really does, but just trust, it's right now a S+ tier talent on psyker, get it in all builds

[sly lance]

are those names changed too? lol

[last shore]

Gotcha. All I remember from that game is the amount of poxbursters pushed on me

[fierce spoke]

I only wish we had "Absolute CInema" as a victory pose

[jovial juniper]

Maaaan

[sly lance]

dont have the points. big waste to get those

[jovial juniper]

How do you make your own builds and don't know the names

That's crazy

💀

[sly lance]

oh right. ya im using those

[vast yew]

Wait wtf, it's one point from Soulstealer

[last shore]

But yeah GG @vast yew

[vast yew]

I am entranced

[sly lance]

thats a waste too :)

[vast yew]

[fierce spoke]

I tend to call out meta sweats a lot or games forcing it, but I will admit my flame psyker was largely recycled from back in the day when the meta was like do or die half the time, save for the funny bubble ofc.

[vast yew]

Oh now I have to see this build

[fierce spoke]

Since I love my bubble

[vast yew]

as well as what difficulty you play it on

[last shore]

I was testing a build ainz gave me

[deft stump]

Waiting for VoidFlame and VoidSurge.

[sly lance]

heal on kill is not as important as heal on something else

[strong gulch]

Like songs or people. Remember the vibe or face or something but not the names.

[vestal trench]

rename voidblast to voidcoom

[analog agate]

Ok… guy says soulstealer is a waste. Bad build or trolling. Sorry

[vast yew]

I'm betting Bad build

[jovial juniper]

[sly lance]

you dont need soulstealer if you have soul drinker for sure

[analog agate]

OMG

[jovial juniper]

Naaaah

[vast yew]

He's definitely not running H40

[jovial juniper]

This is bait

[vast yew]

HAHAHAHA

[analog agate]

Sorry, man. Not good

[jovial juniper]

I'm going to get dinner

[vast yew]

Alright which one of you made an alt account to troll us

[jovial juniper]

See y'all later

[vast yew]

fess up

[dull scroll]

the newbie doesn't even understand or take PC, no point in arguing

[deft stump]

Maybe uprising build.

[azure quarry]

I just want pants that go with that top

[vast yew]

I like the penance red pants with black boots

matches the waistband

[azure quarry]

oof I'm sorry. Just looking for the drip

[azure quarry]

oh lemme see now

[strong gulch]

Souldrinker is why you don't have points for things

[vast yew]

Hold on imma snap a pic

God I wish souldrinker was on the left side of the tree

[sly lance]

i go crit aura anyways

[dull scroll]

as for Wildfire, nobody said it's bad across the board, my 2 cent right now is that it's very good with blaze VB, mid with just inferno, very bad with inferno+vent

[strong gulch]

It was good timing.

[vast yew]

It might actually be worth a point if you didn't have to waste 2 other points grabbing it

[strong gulch]

that's till 2 points

[azure quarry]

Hell yeah

[sly lance]

10% melee speed is quite welcome

[vast yew]

Oh boy 10% melee speed on a staff where I never need melee

woohoo

[azure quarry]

Storm Witch's Service Raiment?

[sly lance]

works for swords too ya know lol

[vast yew]

ye

[vast yew]

why the hell am I pulling out a sword to fight things if I have Inferno or Voidblast

[sly lance]

its useful. i like both the blaze swords

[vast yew]

both

?????

[sly lance]

2h and 1

[vast yew]

There's 3 blaze swords and 2 blaze greatswords

oh I see

that works

[dull scroll]

if you slow cook specials with inferno at melee range instead of swapping to melee you'll get smited

[azure quarry]

True but they aren't same shade so kinda glares

[sly lance]

technically only mark8 2h and the 1h that doesnt stick into people

[strong gulch]

There is a scenario where PC is a confident skip, and that's on low difficulty. Lower density means fewer / very little elites and specials.

[vast yew]

oh turns out I'm running this:

[vast yew]

The other 2 force swords are also good but you don't touch the special attack on them 99% of the time

Basically only to stick it in a Mutant or deal a ton of damage to a Captain once his shield drops and you are safe

[sly lance]

you can use it to build peril while sprinting. get to 60% before combat. also it is strong damage with some kind of rend, full armor pen on the charge hits

[vast yew]

It's strong damage, but less than just doing a proper combo

Can quickly stack uncanny, if you need to

[sly lance]

it goes thru armor. enemies u bounce off, the charge wont

[vast yew]

You don't bounce a Deimos

[sly lance]

also the wave of the greatsword can be used to stagger things at a distance

[vast yew]

The bigger problem is getting stuck in 1 crusher while the other 7 pancake you

light-heavy loops leave you mobile to dodge around

special attack is mostly a deathtrap at Auric or Havocs

[sly lance]

o well the ogres you just voidblast

[last shore]

I use it in havoc for muties

[vast yew]

Yeah muties, captains, quickly stacking uncanny, or if you get bored on a random enemy

Always fun to obliterate some poor Poxwalker right before you get on an elevator

[sly lance]

the wave of the greatsword will knock a pox burster down without killing it

[vast yew]

Sure will, though you can also usually just push it

[sly lance]

cant push with greatsword :)

[vast yew]

wwwwwwwwwhat

[strong gulch]

what

[sly lance]

it pulls

[vast yew]

what the fuck

????????

[last shore]

💀

[strong gulch]

uhhh

[last shore]

Noob spotted

[sly lance]

idk when i do it, pulls them to me

[last shore]

You shoulda stopped talking

[vast yew]

erm

[last shore]

Now you’re just gonna get meme’ed on

[vestal trench]

what

[ocean cipher]

i want 17% toughness / 21% hp on curios right

[sly lance]

so scared

[azure quarry]

Sorry for pic spam but just wanting a decent pair of pants for this look lol. Doesn't help the only pants with gold metal are fucking white lmao

[vast yew]

Quick clip, it pushes

[strong gulch]

Also not push vs PA

[sly lance]

you can see it pull in the clip. so the second hit pushes, first pulls

[strong gulch]

Enemies do fall oddly sometimes especially with multiple things pushing or staggering them. Or they will try to roll through inferno fire before the stagger gets em.

But FGS and force sword pushes do not pull enemies towards you.

[vast yew]

the first hit is a push, and it does not pull

[strong gulch]

it's a push

[dull scroll]

the first is not a pull, it staggers things that don't straight up get knocked down, and they get dazed, which might looks like a "pull" when they wobble around

[vast yew]

First 3 seconds are all you need, but feel free to watch the full clip

[dull scroll]

it's just the animation of stagger

[vestal trench]

as a tangent this is why i didnt bother making my own builds, i need mods and external resources and shit to know for sure if something works the way it does

[vast yew]

Hold block + attack is always a push

[vestal trench]

especially when even testing is misleading

[vast yew]

on every weapon

[vestal trench]

way too easy to make a bad build

[vast yew]

Also FatShark descriptions

Can lead even the most astute astray

[vestal trench]

the only time i actually just made up a build was arbiter release and of course it worked bc that tree is privileged

[strong gulch]

It can be fun tho. Crafting a terrible build when you know how things work is fun.

[vestal trench]

yea i definitely see the appeal, i think just in terms of my game preferences i like being pick-up-and-play more than build theorizing

is why i liked sekiro more than elden ring

[sly lance]

its nice how they let you make a bunch of different loadouts and free respec. pretty easy to maintain multiple buiilds and switch them

[vast yew]

Ye loadouts were an awesome addition

[vestal trench]

i just use the different loadouts for diff staves and havoc versions of said staves

and eventually bubble knight, inshallah i dont die 20 times

[strong gulch]

OH valid. YOu shouldn't have to know the glass inside and out to come up with something decent. Skill issue aside.

[sly lance]

also can respec in the middle of meat grinder

thats where i did my wildfire testing using the creature spawner mod

[last shore]

As someone previously said, it’s bugged in psy

[vast yew]

Also, as a tip with the Force Swords/Greatswords, the push attack can push things really far away

[strong gulch]

Note that wildfire acts funky in the meat grinder.

[vast yew]

Like so

[vestal trench]

is wildfire being bugged in psy why it just

wont end

like one thing dies and immediately the entire psykhanium session is on fire

[sly lance]

seems to work the same outside. i wasnt using PC tho. my willdfires expire in grinder

[ripe obsidian]

Yes.

[dull scroll]

caution on the secondary push, it does damage ticks, which might trigger KF and blow up a burster in your face 😒

[strong gulch]

How something functions in meat grinder doesn't always translate to a live mission.

[ripe obsidian]

Wildfire lingers for like 7 seconds after an enemy dies, then reapplies.

It's a weird bug

[sly lance]

ya well it works in missions too guess i got lucky lol

i mostly just had to figure out i need 60% peril to crit a lot

[ripe obsidian]

That bug does not work in live missions.

[last shore]

Works != effective

[sly lance]

i dont even know what bug you guys are talkin about lol. i just used a pack of 50 mobs and cleared them fully each time

[strong gulch]

[sly lance]

whatever i was testing works in missions too

[vestal trench]

from how i understand it, wildfire's duration is much longer in the meat grinder and has issues reapplying more than it actually does in missions

[sly lance]

ya i was only testing on weak enemies. they didnt live long

50 groaners or 50 poxwalkers

[sullen rapids]

no see deimos bounces because all the energy get put into the enemy and sends them to the floor lmfao

[tulip kettle]

and another 2 back to back wins

in conclusion

FUCK toll and garden

that is all

[sullen rapids]

i don’t even know what that is but agree

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/doge-dogecoin-fart-gas-stinky-gif-8945574110891947267

there are worse fates

[vast yew]

... Hey so I found out why I've been having trouble with my Obscurus

ffs

[last shore]

https://tenor.com/view/kurt-angle-space-marine-warhammer-warhammer-40k-stare-gif-15034398051697687266

[sullen rapids]

isn’t infested almost certainly the worst possible perk

like at least unarmoured works on the green gunners and shotgunners

[vast yew]

Yeah I must've misclicked at Hadron lmao

[ripe obsidian]

Carry me.

Apropos of nothing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kola_Superdeep_Borehole

This is neat.

[strong gulch]

Gas purple and red 😭

[sullen rapids]

is there a list somewhere of all the havoc modifiers? (i haven’t started it yet and am not at home to check)

[jovial juniper]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[sullen rapids]

ty

[strong gulch]

The game lantern web site all has them

But community posts will definitely have more comprehensive info

[ripe obsidian]

Red is Final Toll. It is pain. At half health, elites become immune to all CC and move/attack something like 50% faster. Purple is encroaching garden, healing all enemies near a purple enemy for 1200 per second. Red enemies do not become un-red when healed. So get a wall of red Crushers or Bulwarks with a purple guy in the back and suffer.

[sullen rapids]

do the heal aura’s heal themselves or is it just nearby allies

[ripe obsidian]

Just allies. Purples do not heal themselves

[sullen rapids]

will they do that if there’s multiple next to eachother

[jovial juniper]

Guess they learned with Payday that medic dozers shouldn't heal medic dozers

[ripe obsidian]

I believe purples are not able to be healed

[sullen rapids]

ah that’s good at least

[ripe obsidian]

Note: bosses can and will be purple, or be healed by purples if not purple themselves.

[sullen rapids]

horrible oh my lord

i wonder how hard it actually is to kill stuff through purple

[ripe obsidian]

Fairly. Not impossible. Just need to hit more than once a second or do more than 1200 damage per hit

Purgatus Psyker does not do this easily

[sullen rapids]

i mean the fire definitely helps others with it

bet you get crazy damage numbers lmfao imagine a whole horse ticking at 15 stacks for more than 2 second

[ripe obsidian]

Purple is damage farming, yeah

What is best is when one finally dies, PC pops, and now everything has 18 stacks. Then 21. Then 24.

That's when you get stuff like this

[deft stump]

But but but... my 4 healer team that takes forever to kill anything but not even enrage can kill them.

[tulip kettle]

for my one that we passed with red and purple that is probably the hardest one ive ever done, i had 2.8 mil dmg on purgatus psyker

[strong gulch]

Not even noticing when 25 shotgunners suddenly die.

[tulip kettle]

nobody had less than 1.2 mil dmg

it can be just insane

[lilac swallow]

i havent played psyker in forever help me make a psyker build

i wanna use the flame staff and the force greatsword

[static sonnet]

Go my son, play melee psyker

Everything I use every single day

[ripe obsidian]

Soul drinker is bad.

Do not the souldrinker

[static sonnet]

For the last curio perk, its your choice, stamina regen, gunner res, whatever you feel you need for more comfort. Clutched auric maelstrom today with this build

[static sonnet]

But more crit 🥺

You dont have to run it tho yeah

[ripe obsidian]

It doesn't pop reliably and can't be refreshed during the duration

It's inactive waaaaay more than it should be

[static sonnet]

That i did not know. Tragic.

Wait you dont even get the toughness from it while its on?

[ripe obsidian]

You are supposed to. But it's not consistent. I'd have to test it again

[static sonnet]

Rough

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah. It's frustrating

[static sonnet]

Guess I'll drop it for warp expenditure lol not sure what else would help the build more. The best options are out of the way. Could do crack of bone

[ripe obsidian]

If it worked reliably, it would be an okay pick. The big issue is that it's on the opposite side of the tree from most Soulblaze-boosting nodes, so it's like a 3 taleng investment for an unreliable talent

Soulstealer is better than Warp Expenditure

[static sonnet]

Not if im melee 99% of the time

[ripe obsidian]

Oh, you don't have Warp Splitting. Pick that

Warp Splitting is amazing

[static sonnet]

Oh duh

[rigid iris]

oh hey you can just straight up open up bullwakrs with the greatsword

[visual osprey]

I uh, seem to have an extra friend in the lobby

how is this possible

[rigid iris]

lmfao

[static sonnet]

If you want a more traditional staff focus build tho, take the weapons and curios I put there with something this instead

[visual osprey]

also I just shot a dog off a player with no help icon

this update is ridiculously scuffed

this player is not listed and the bot is also still here

[jovial juniper]

Technically with all force swords

The force shove is just that good

[rigid iris]

What I mean is you can just do the special and go straight into the stab

[potent echo]

New auric mael / havocs be like

[rigid iris]

If you're even barely off to the left

[potent echo]

Bulwark? Have 20!!

[rigid iris]

Ive started just

Spamming the special

[potent echo]

Push can't carry me anymore

Yes

That's the real solution

Also Ive been doing FGS trauma/voidblast

[rigid iris]

Its also fixed most of my psyker melee woes

[potent echo]

It's infinite cleave illisi if you don't have the ranged portion charged up

[rigid iris]

And that alone can tend to net you enough kills to charge it

[potent echo]

True

[rigid iris]

It like feeds into itself

And the stuff reaching you now is at like half health

So you just do it again

And it staggers ragers

And it raises my peril which I already want in order to do more damage

So like

[visual osprey]

greatsword is just the best weapon for psyker in my experience. Best boss damage, special targeting, and horde clear at close range. if I need to shoot like snipers or gunners or something I use the voidstrike staff

[potent echo]

Spam it

I might just swap off trauma staff

Nobody wants to kill specials at all

[rigid iris]

Been trying to get it to do boss damage

Feel like im missing smth

[visual osprey]

standard disrupt destiny crit build is insane for it

[rigid iris]

Is this just scrier memes

[potent echo]

Mk6 is much better

[visual osprey]

stab and overhead only

[potent echo]

Also stab the head

[visual osprey]

never light attack and dodge

crit greatsword with riposte is nutty as hell

I get like a minimum of 20k boss damage a match

[potent echo]

Riposte is pretty good on it

If you crit you might oneshots crushers too

[visual osprey]

oh I do

[potent echo]

Thick ds4

[visual osprey]

if I don't crit it's a guaranteed two shot on crushers though

[rigid iris]

I just shut off my pc which one is the mk6

Is that the one with the push attach stab or the heavy 2 stab

[potent echo]

The one the loops heavy overhead>stab

[visual osprey]

I do the one with the push attack stab

[rigid iris]

Thats the one I use lol

I don't like the other one

[potent echo]

Ah then you should have no issue with bosses

[rigid iris]

This one

[potent echo]

Try to get stabs more

[visual osprey]

push attack stab is best for me because I can manage stamina with it just fine while soloing bosses

[rigid iris]

Yeah but like it just doesn't seem to do that crazy

[rigid iris]

I just don't like the moveset

[visual osprey]

yeah use what works for you

[rigid iris]

Would much rather l1-2-3-heavy for clear