staff
#psyker-class
sullen rapids
purple skill
implies keystone
rigid iris
I read that as "which purge skill"
sullen rapids
which bubble flamestaff you go with warp siphon because a) stacks up on flame kills and b) is bubble cooldown (good thing)
rigid iris
siphon yeah
gleaming dust
I read that as "which purge skill"
happens to the best of us haha
gleaming dust
which bubble flamestaff you go with warp siphon because a) stacks up on flame ki...
gotcha
long vessel
Fgs 6 or 8?
verbal thistle
6
prime elk
8
strong gulch
Either
long vessel
lol
strong gulch
6 has easier access to the heavy upper stab. Its on the H2 and after the special.
8 has slightly faster lights with easier access to horse clear. The stabb mentioned previously is after the PA.
gleaming dust
siphon yeah
do you ever just use the burst normally?
strong gulch
So pick the one with a moveset that speaks to you more than the other.
The 6 also has more combos, but you can unga bunga it
wraith forge
FGS 6 if you want a challenge and 8 for easy swings. I'm loving the 6 personally
strong gulch
Idk about challenge
rigid iris
do you ever just use the burst normally?
if something's particularly far away yeah
usually in havocs pinging something makes the 3 other people in your match erase that thing very fast
everyone plays as if they can't trust eachother
which works very well
wraith forge
Idk about challenge
I mean obviously nothing is a challenge in this game because everyone is just mlg gamer. But relatively speaking
wispy bay
I think you overthink about it. It's really not a challenge of anything.
long vessel
Seems like a no brainer, but warp splitting on melee build ?
gleaming dust
what melee weapons does psyker strive with?
balmy bay
What’s the the best stat blaze force sword
potent echo
6 has activated swing into mega stab combo, this is a must for me 
potent echo
what melee weapons does psyker strive with?
Force swords 1H/2H, duellingsword with a staff
plucky flax
Seems like a no brainer, but warp splitting on melee build ?
Yeah very good for assails
potent echo
What’s the the best stat blaze force sword
You want everything except warp res
balmy bay
You want everything except warp res
Okay thank you
limber tapir
what do i use on curios again? other from combat ability cdr
plucky flax
Damn this lobby is ultra sus
limber tapir
Damn this lobby is ultra sus
undyne from undertale cameo
plucky flax
2 for the price of one XD
plucky flax
undyne from undertale cameo
I'm not sure who that is? 
limber tapir
I'm not sure who that is? <:anime_think:828061372083601449>
nvm
deft stump
Damn this lobby is ultra sus
Some ppl so toxic and bad?
plucky flax
Some ppl so toxic and bad?
If they flame me but play worse than me they get the block.
You're the exception because you're better than me.
You can flame me. 
deft stump
You can flame me. <:sad:753176321047265320>
Hugs. Naw, you carry every week.
hushed pike
Is gunker any good
I kinda want an excuse to use the Accatran lasgun, but I feel obligated to use flamer on zealot and plasma on veteran
prime elk
Is gunker any good
Ya
deft stump
I kinda want an excuse to use the Accatran lasgun, but I feel obligated to use f...
If it's auric, use whatever.
plucky flax
I ran into your dopplegangar. Zealot not using book. 
rigid iris
do it
rigid iris
put mastery skin on so that it looks tacky no matter what and stop worrying
hushed pike
deft stump
I ran into your dopplegangar. Zealot not using book. <:Kapp:702551877673549955>
I still use it into multiple crushers. Or anything panics me enough to spam everything.
hushed pike
put mastery skin on so that it looks tacky no matter what and stop worrying
I mean I have a skin for it
but like
Lasgun + inquisitor coat like
doesn't look good
deft stump
Like how I use my Nuncio.
rigid iris
🤷
hushed pike
I have the black recon lasgun
I have the uhhh
Red desert catachan outfit I could rock I guess.
deft stump
Ork huntah.
ripe obsidian
I will probably be around in ~15 minutes if anyone wants to do Havocky things
hushed pike
On a gunker would you want mob or collat dump on the recon lasgun
I know normally it's mob but like
shy willow
My melee psyker is the most fun yet cursed thing I ever played
vestal trench
oh my fucking god i finally got a game and it's 3 arbites abusing the bug
auric maelstrom felt like heresy
hushed pike
whaat bug lol
zinc comet
Bleed explosion probably
hushed pike
That's a bug?
vestal trench
psyker genuinely feels purposeless bc of it lmfao
may as well melee psyker for the time being at least i can actually do boss damage as opposed to playing catchup with 3 ai controlled purgatus staves
hushed pike
Idk man I didn't think it was a bug.
It's good don't get me wrong.
But I didn't feel like it was an unintentional bug.
Felt like it was part of the turn your dog into a thermobaric bomb build.
hushed pike
Bug with what staff?
spare comet
I will probably be around in ~15 minutes if anyone wants to do Havocky things
what grade
hushed pike
Cool tried out gunker
Tried auric maelstrome
BoN and Plague Ogryn (real ones) in literally 5 seconds
on the tiny void zone bridge area
ripe obsidian
what grade
I usually do H40
spare comet
I usually do H40
ah okay
when are you playing ?
i will join you as . . . something that is not psyker
(my psyker build is not amazing)
ripe obsidian
Probably in the next 10-15 minutes. Whenever my partner goes to bed
plucky flax
I usually do H40
That's too hard.
ripe obsidian
Based on my win/loss record this week, yeah it is
Just play Blood for the Blood Dog. Ezpz
zinc comet
Actually it’s impossible
zinc comet
Cheater
plucky flax
You're pro.
zinc comet
Must be
plucky flax
I am not that good.
deft stump
Just play Blood for the Blood Dog. Ezpz
Bones for the bone lover.
ripe obsidian
Does shock damage from doggo count as ranged?
summer prairie
the old shock maul special dot also counts as companion damage since it shares the damage profile
deft stump
By playtesters and more.
deft stump
the old shock maul special dot also counts as companion damage since it shares t...
It gets buffed by high voltage.
summer prairie
and in vanilla ovenproof the remote detonation is ranged
plucky flax
And I was mocked day 1 saying it.
Bleed is only op since a week and a bit
So at release without op dog bleed it was weaker than ogryn and psyker
deft stump
Bleed is only op since a week and a bit
Naw, dog puncture was already delete nearly everything.
plucky flax
Dog puncture is on 60s cd not every pounce like now
deft stump
This just upped it up a notch.
plucky flax
Never could out damage psyker with that
I was abusing dog puncture every round and I knew a good psyker would still out damage me
ripe obsidian
Dog is perfectly balanced.
plucky flax
But now it's so much easier to outdamage psyker
Because the ramp up is too fast
Often the horde get 16 stacks bleed
deft stump
Casti? I'm already basically invul in the area.
plucky flax
From 1 pounce
blissful solar
And I was mocked day 1 saying it.
punished karien
deft stump
punished karien
Pay2win? Currently, absolutely.
deft stump
Even karien can hit 1 mil now through her dog
I took least damage.
ripe obsidian
This is my map, for those who wish to do battle
plucky flax
I took least damage.
That stat doesn't matter if no one goes down?
potent echo
Is rampaging the new red enemies 
deft stump
That stat doesn't matter if no one goes down?
The rando and uhhh...
blissful solar
someone mentioned that earlier
plucky flax
You took least damage because youre not fighting the scary elites or bosses.
strong gulch
This is my map, for those who wish to do battle
Did you go yet?
strong gulch
I'll fire up my pc.
ripe obsidian
Pls do not commit arson
deft stump
You took least damage because youre not fighting the scary elites or bosses.
WDYM? I ran in to bonk crushers.
And maulers.
plucky flax
WDYM? I ran in to bonk crushers.
Wdym? Check elite and boss damage dealt.
Pls no flame im stating fax
deft stump
I don't have damage, just impact.
deft stump
All the impact.
hushed pike
Melee psyker is great
got a build?
deft stump
Bulli gud.
plucky flax
Well you flame me so I flame you back so it's fair
deft stump
They no hit me gud.
blissful solar
karien bullying seems fun..
plucky flax
She always ping me 'wdym? Just git gud bruh you suck ass' and im like sorry... 
strong gulch
ok so 2 for H40 right? anyone else?
plucky flax
No too hard better get karien.
ripe obsidian
i did 1.5 mil damage as arbites with dawg in h40 earlier
Still around?
hushed pike
Or that was a different guy
Yes
That was a different person.
Melee psyker still uses accatran?
Interesting.
and it uses max health curious?
plucky flax
Thats a havoc build in auric you'd better run gaze instead of bubble
Can keep everything else the same
If you just like to be bubble knight tho keep the bubble 
summer prairie
It's not good. It doesn't even get attributed as your damage so it's not buffed by anything or tracked
No one noticed I think because no one uses it
hushed pike
I mean it buffs arbitrator still, but I get what you mean.
potent echo
The only barely useful thing is it adds flat damage to everything you cleave
So it gets better the more targets you hit
But it's still really bad
hushed pike
It also gives arbite 100% uptime on eletrocuted damage increase if you both work together.
potent echo
Idk if it's the same electrocute
zinc comet
What if I don’t want to help my arbites
hushed pike
Idk if it's the same electrocute
I mean
I highly doubt they coded 2 different forms of electrocute into this.
Electrocuted is probably just a flat effect that is applied that's it
potent echo
I highly doubt they coded 2 different forms of electrocute into this.
Oh you would be surprised...
plucky flax
if Arby use shock weapon they get enough electrocute debuff by themselves.
Or through their dawg.
plucky flax
Fast firing guns work best so mk2 las pistol or mk12 recon las.
I like the mk12 recon las because it's very ammo efficient.
hushed pike
Oh yeah I forgot
there's a lightweight las pistol
I was trying to find some way to use a las weapon on my psyker, and considering I like the inquisitor coat I felt that the lasrifles were too big and clunky for it.
The pistol is perfect, I completely forgot it existed
plucky flax
It's also very strong. 
In fact it's stronger than recon las at the cost of more ammo.
hushed pike
Well my biggest thing was like
I was thinking about taking Recon off of my vet and going back to plasma after so long
but I didn't wanna put recon on my zealot because flamer
plucky flax
Plasma wasn't nerfed so it's still op.
hushed pike
I like las weaponry
I never said it was.
Ugh but that means I have to get the uhhhh
Auto fire addon again
Because I am not smashing the mouse button xd
strong gulch
@ripe obsidian I misread one of the team's names as Robo-Jesus and was gonna comment on them taking 666 damage. But now I realize that is not their name. 
ripe obsidian
We can pretend it was their name
hearty wolf
Mm
I woke up early to finish early so more havoc today
Maybe I'll be more patient since it's earlier in the day
We will become hold S gamers
ripe obsidian
It is true. I have a meeting in ~7 hours. Gotta get some sleep.
Also, Auric hordes are not dense enough for truly silly doggo damage
hearty wolf
It's sort of why I don't play auric
Enemy HP is so low and there's so few of them, there's little push back
No funny 300 red purple crushers chasing you
ripe obsidian
I did watch one of the other Arbiters walk directly into like 4 bursters
That was puzzling
hearty wolf
Did he live tho
Pretty sure with non-havoc nerfed toughness and hp, pretty confident I can survive that
vestal trench
mf i thought havoc 30 to 40 was indistinguishable
strong gulch
Arby tossed a guy into my slide totally on purpose.
ripe obsidian
Arby tossed a guy into my slide totally on purpose.
I think that was my dog that pounced
ripe obsidian
40 was so much harder 😭
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903
35 to 40 scales harder than 1 to 35.
sturdy reef
it enables too much bullshit
strong gulch
which one is rampaging?? red or orange?
vestal trench
i was fed misinfo!!! lmao
vestal trench
which one is rampaging?? red or orange?
red
ripe obsidian
the worst aura is purple
Purple alone is bad but doable. Purple+red sucks
strong gulch
got it
sturdy reef
but I enjoy the challenge
ripe obsidian
Final Toll is red
strong gulch
Of course FS had to do confusing names
vestal trench
my scoreboard is fucked but 1st and 2nd tries, i got so carried \o/
ripe obsidian
Rampage + pus-hardened is "psyker does no damage"
vestal trench
doing that before bed wasnt one of my better ideas tho lmao
potent echo
Does voidblast count as ranged damage
ripe obsidian
Yes
strong gulch
Does voidblast count as ranged damage
for some things
not the +5% to ranged damage on the RMB for VB
ripe obsidian
I am pretty sure it does for pus-hardened
Anyway, I am actually going to sleep now. Let us try to do havoc at some point soon
hearty wolf
Hab dreyko has 3 rituals
Gloriana has 4 rituals
Power Matrix has 5 rituals
Magistrati Oubliette has 5 rituals
Dark Communion has 5 rituals
Vigil Station Oblivium has 5 rituals
Ascension Riser 31 has 5 rituals
Relay Station has 5 rituals
Comms-Plex has 5 rituals
Enclavum Baross has 5 rituals
vestal trench
is the best way of telling if i'm doing well just damage dealt + damage taken?
hearty wolf
hearty wolf
is the best way of telling if i'm doing well just damage dealt + damage taken?
It's way more complex than that.
hearty wolf
Really it's if you win or lose
Too much happens in a game for a leaderboard to give a clear picture
For example, if you're using rending trauma and there's a blaze away inferno staff
Are you cucking with their soulblaze or are you actually helping to amp their damage and keep them safe?
vestal trench
i really gotta roll for another trauma
good to know
will keep in mind bc i tend to be harsh on myself and immediately go "bruh im sandbagging" the moment i go into casualty more than once
plucky flax
40 was so much harder 😭
I think it's impossible no one is ever that good
vestal trench
karien can tho right
strong gulch
Ye. Damage and damage taken are pretty solid metric but they do not tell everything like sin was saying.
There's a lot o interactions that can inflate or deflate damage, plus sometimes a game targets one player in particular.
That's assuming the same skill and agression.
Also same ping
vestal trench
true
plucky flax
karien can tho right
Well shes built different
vestal trench
i actually dunno where yall are based, i remember someone was lagging when i joined
but good to know
plucky flax
Also if youre a silent hero cc specials and killing them you won't show up well on scoreboard but you keep team alivr
strong gulch
I'm US east. Sometimes US east has bad ping even with other US east player. Not 400 ping bad, but red.
vestal trench
US west for me
strong gulch
Lots of people are EU
strong gulch
healing DH with red enemies
strong gulch
I've seen those. Not red monster.
Red sword captain scary
hearty wolf
It's only DH's that can get it at 10% but I think ritual ones are excluded mayb
Dunno if that link was old havoc since it had shit like the goo modifier
strong gulch
I hate the goo
hearty wolf
With how much gas there is with the MLG bombers
deft stump
i actually dunno where yall are based, i remember someone was lagging when i joi...
They play EU.
hearty wolf
It would be super aids
hearty wolf
my scoreboard is fucked but 1st and 2nd tries, i got so carried \o/
Yeah you were never doing more damage than that second guy
Dog bleed is some other worldly shit
vestal trench
Dog bleed is some other worldly shit
i can excuse em for doing dog bleed the second run
first run they clutched solo like
3 different times
potent echo
True gamer..
vestal trench
they swapped to dog bleed build after that LOL
restive slate
I hope gas + goo never duo.
When Nurgle is feeling freaky and is holding a fart at the same time
vestal trench
we got to last room but it was assassination lieutenant, 2 captains, 2 plague oggies
deft stump
When Nurgle is feeling freaky and is holding a fart at the same time
Stares at rebreather.
restive slate
Girls literally rotten inside
potent echo
Doing malenia phase 2..
vestal trench
rending trauma's just the same as the standard VB build with no wildfire?
marble crater
Doing malenia phase 2..
Me and my clone beat the shit out of her 
marble crater
rending trauma's just the same as the standard VB build with no wildfire?
Flak, carapace, Flurry and rending
strong gulch
take BM
potent echo
Finally balanced in havoc 
vestal trench
BM over PC? gotcha
strong gulch
BM over PC? gotcha
no, in attention
vestal trench
I actually searched for it in the chat history but the one you linked had PC taken so thanks for specifying :p
o wat
potent echo
BM over wildfire
strong gulch
for havocs
Even with a purg
Reducing the chances of preventing SB ownership on rendi VB without tanking damage as much as possible.
strong gulch
So like this for a rendi trauma (VB) to pair with a inferno user.
strong gulch
Wait on a purg don't you actually wanna steal SB ownership
yeah
potent echo
Does the purge user also take shield or venting
vestal trench
So like this for a rendi trauma (VB) to pair with a inferno user.
thanks
difference from the build 6 months ago seems to be swapping WB for BM
strong gulch
Does the purge user also take shield or venting
Up to them. Bubbles can stack, be placed to advance to cover, or be a failsafe for if one psyler goes down.
But if purg / inferno takes shriek, that is a lot more range, ramp up, and damage.
strong gulch
difference from the build 6 months ago seems to be swapping WB for BM
Ye. That's the difference. Spawns are fixed so more psyk aura and no fading light 3 now. BM is doing more that sometimes needing more warp charges.
BUT if you feel comfortable without BM and want the extra cool down and actually benefit from it, then go for WB.
strong gulch
I assume gaze is just trolling
Probably. I am sure there is someone out there who is a monster with SG purg.
potent echo
10s of unlimited purg might be good in havoca
strong gulch
LMAO
I just realized that my build.
vestal trench
i thought i mentioned jaskldfjasdklfj
summer prairie
you do more damage, more stacks and EE always up
strong gulch
i thought i mentioned jaskldfjasdklfj
I got a thick skull sometimes.
vestal trench
@ rending trauma - i assume if im the only psyker on the team def better to either purg or (fire) trauma, in that order
unless im just fuckin around
strong gulch
Rending trauma is also good, but SB is more damage
vestal trench
oooh ig i could support the bleed pup arbites with rending trauma until that gets fixed LOL
strong gulch
TBH, if you're debating purg or trauma then go with the one that you feel more comfortable with.
vestal trench
comfy with purg but enjoy trauma more
i blow up way more barrels on trauma tho LMAO
strong gulch
Then trauma. It makes room and you can deal with crushers.
potent echo
Did they change something at some point? I remember trauma not lighting barrels up
strong gulch
Trauma's biggest weakness is monsters. So if you're gonna actually do damage to monsters, trauma isn't it, BUT that is generally not your "role" in a team.
plucky flax
Just let arbies sic their dogs on bosses
strong gulch
Did they change something at some point? I remember trauma not lighting barrels ...
Yes. Unlisted change with mortis trails launch.
potent echo
Trauma + FGS 
quaint elk
This is sort of what I was after
strong gulch
They made trauma RMB trigger barrles from much farther away.
potent echo
I'm gonna try that later
quaint elk
I do a lot of smite and lightning staff
potent echo
FGS isn't as good at horde clear as you might think
strong gulch
This is sort of what I was after
Yes. Cara + unyielding and any blessings that are not murderous tranq, blazing spirit, or warp slice
quaint elk
yeah I don't really count on it for fighting
But now it is maybe a bit more of a personal beacon of safety lol
quaint elk
I had to swap from deimos
Reason being I just only ever used Deimos
got to level other things up
deft stump
Just let arbies sic their dogs on bosses
If one has brittle, more fun?
potent echo
It Deimos is much safer with the dummy H2 stagger
cyan lily
Any good anti unyielding builds ?
plucky flax
If one has brittle, more fun?
Yus
marble crater
Any good anti unyielding builds ?
Unyielding as in bosses or ogryn?
hearty wolf
Unyielding as in bosses or ogryn?
Ragers, obviously
marble crater
potent echo
Call the arbiter
plucky flax
Any good anti unyielding builds ?
Easiest to just burn it with burga
chrome linden
does having a shorter charecter actually give you a smaller hit box?
Jump
plucky flax
Ye but it's harder to melee
deft stump
does having a shorter charecter actually give you a smaller hit box?
Jump
Yes.
You trade ability to shoot and melee easier.
For survival since cover works better.
marble crater
also small psyker loner has maximum gremlin energy, you can roleplay as Karien
cunning plinth
it shows a little when he talked about psyker and called it super squishy
which isnt what i would call "instantly refilling toughness bar with 30% dr and fully immune to ranged fire and not even being in melee for that toughness regen"
hell, with scriers gaze running you can even kinda m1 spamm into a moderate amount of rangers and sustain/tank through it
plucky flax
cunning plinth
speaking of nothing important:
lets say im really enjoying darktide rn and just quickplay on the regular auric difficulty. is the step up the maelstrom node or should i look for some havoc1 groups in party finder?
hearty wolf
speaking of nothing important:
lets say im really enjoying darktide rn and just...
Havoc 1 is like
Malice
cunning plinth
huh
hearty wolf
It's really weird but basically anything under 25 and you're just playing sub auric
cunning plinth
so if i regularly never die lowest damage taken and top damage in just regular auric quickplay, aka, not struggeling, whats the appropriate havoc level if ive never done havoc before. or do i HAVE to start on havoc1 anyway
the havoc missions are "different" right
hearty wolf
~25-30 for you
And yea
But otherwise to answer your question, maelstrom is the step up/high intensity aurics
cunning plinth
how much should i read up on the missions before or is whats going on fairly intuitive. Do partyfinder groups expect voicecomms for like, sub very high havoc?
cunning plinth
i dont mind speaking, i just usually play darktide to "high intensity but chill and hang out a little"
hearty wolf
There's some nuance to the modifiers but just read them and you'll get a general idea of what they do
cunning plinth
But otherwise to answer your question, maelstrom is the step up/high intensity a...
weird that that havoc doesnt pick up after auric maeldstrom, the overlap is weird
strong gulch
havocs expect you to run inferno or VB with bubble
hearty wolf
weird that that havoc doesnt pick up after auric maeldstrom, the overlap is weir...
It's fucking dumb as shit, yea
strong gulch
apparently they might even ask for smite
cunning plinth
at the mid 20s already?
i was about to ask at what level the "fun but viable" builds stop and the "inferno bubble mandatory" starts
summer prairie
most people won't ask you to run anything, might depend on your region though
strong gulch
Not sure tbh
hearty wolf
havocs expect you to run inferno or VB with bubble
Honestly I don't even think they do. I'm just pushing for more of Syllo's pacing and it just isn't working for whatever reason
summer prairie
might be easier to get accepted into groups though
cunning plinth
because if i can aurioc easily with funny scaling melee psyker, the lower havocs shoudnt be an issue
strong gulch
Honestly I don't even think they do. I'm just pushing for more of Syllo's pacing...
i'm mid
hearty wolf
I hear you but I don't think it's you
plucky flax
Easiest is self host so no one can flame your build.
hearty wolf
I'm the one with the loss streak, common denominator and all
It's probably something like I press W and others don't and I'm basically sentencing them to death. But I really don't want to be a turtle for these havocs when people can clearly do it 10-15m faster
And it's not even coordinated teams who can do it at that pacing
cunning plinth
its also that, if i have to play up from low havoc anyway, if anything im sandbagging with inferno for the first few levels as other psyker builds clear missions (except the demon tree final defense section) faster since i dont have my dots cut short by people holding W and mashing into enemy hordes and killing them instantly
strong gulch
Syllo is right tho, people are more chill with what you bring than they used to be.
hearty wolf
its also that, if i have to play up from low havoc anyway, if anything im sandba...
Just do whatever and get a feel for it
strong gulch
And it's not even coordinated teams who can do it at that pacing
Six said he'd run bubble purg so I could run EK shriek. Pacing should be better for you with that setup.
hearty wolf
Six said he'd run bubble purg so I could run EK shriek. Pacing should be better ...
For sure but with EK, it might be harder for you to hold a backline than with Trauma
And if I'm not there and armour appears, what do
strong gulch
True but purg spin 360
cunning plinth
Easiest is self host so no one can flame your build.
btw, been playing the shout surge staff build you linked for a bit in just regular auric quickplay and 1) feels really good 2) i see why you are only running 4 warp charges
hearty wolf
I just want to beat the shit out of crushers
There something very satisfying about caving their heads in with my power sword maul
strong gulch
Crunching cans
We'll see how adjusted setup works. If it's very bad, I will switch to trauma. Either variation. Barrels tho. 
Especially on an inferno modifier. So many barrels to explode.
cunning plinth
FGS heavy overhead swings into crushers n stuff feel good, but, as much as i hate the thing, the "stab through the eyeslit oneshot" with DD stacked up and dueling sword remains the most satisfying
potent echo
FGS has the stabbies
Does more damage too if you don't account for 5 uncannies
Esp to unyielding
cunning plinth
huh, good to know i thought the big overhead did more, never checked, usually fatshark isnt so bad with the most forceful looking hit actually also doing the most damage
potent echo
FGS overheads are kinda bad they are just combo tax
potent echo
Rip VT2 days where overheads are big strong
potent echo
Unless I'm high?
Evisc and chainaxe
cunning plinth
see i wouldnt know because my FGS build runs DD and scriers so whenever i bonk heads im massively overkilling anyway so i barely feel the difference
potent echo
Have bad stabs
hearty wolf
Evis poke is fake
potent echo
I like evis poke for shotgunners
That's about it
But you can also spam lmb
Sooko
cunning plinth
hey i saw crushers die to a dog doing this at them
for a second
videogame logic i guess
potent echo
Meanwhile thunder hammer to the face? Survives easily
cunning plinth
did they change how terrible the thammers neutral combos feel?
potent echo
Uh... Yesnt
They increased adms
"fixed" flak cleave on sweeps
It's still ass
Arby maul and shield just dunks on it without much investment
cunning plinth
yeh
then again, if the hammer deleted bosses and stuff like that and its neutrals DIDNT feel terrible, it might do too much "cough cough arbites maul cough dueling sword"
potent echo
They even got rid of the afterglow
And it still isn't good to use
They should have make mauls have like 0.3 infested adms or smth
cunning plinth
they should let zealot run double melee 😄 so the thammer is specifically for crushers and bosses and you can run an evis/relicblade for everything else
potent echo
I'll just run a duellingsword for crushers lmao
Less risk and actually faster ttk
Once you get uncanny stacks
Hammer for bosses though for sure
Relic blade for everything rlse
cunning plinth
speaking of: as a big deimos fan, that somehow was also too lazy to look up the correct combos, when is it correct to use the weapon special on that vs just stabbing the head twice
cunning plinth
shame
potent echo
Special is for uncanny stacks or if you are bored of stabbing
cunning plinth
not that i WANT to stunlock myself, but its a cool ability
cunning plinth
Special is for uncanny stacks or if you are bored of stabbing
oh it counts as indivual hits?
potent echo
Give the special kill a suppression effect or anything
potent echo
oh it counts as indivual hits?
Yea you get 4 stacks on special light
Same on special heavy but light is so quick
cunning plinth
neat, pairs well with a certain staff
potent echo
If brain burst had suppression I probably still won't run it seriously
cunning plinth
i mean i run it pretty much only for kinetic flayer on a build that spreads some fire around
consistently
solid pond
what blessings on blaze force sword?
unstable + uncanny?
marble crater
Which one?
marble crater
Deimos
solid pond
marble crater
Uncanny is must and then it depends on how you use it, you can do riposte for crit chance if you dodge, or deflector if you want something defensive for example
potent echo
I do un(stable + canny)
plucky flax
btw, been playing the shout surge staff build you linked for a bit in just regul...
I run 6 warp charges in auric for more creeping flames. In havoc I have to take ee because shooters are too strong there
marble crater
potent echo
I'm gonna make a surge voidblast...
marble crater
copper jay
on DS4 you dump stat is mobility ?
marble crater
Cleave
cunning plinth
I run 6 warp charges in auric for more creeping flames. In havoc I have to take ...
i just quite ofren struggle to get back up to 6 because there just isnt anything worth shouting in range on CD always, but whenever i need the cd i have it so its fine
but i also run EE always
copper jay
People are using using DS5/2 instead of DS4 ?
marble crater
Maybe for better horde clear memes
marble crater
Hmm there should be plenty of stuff to shout at in auric
Your team for example
plucky flax
Your team for example
Yeah karien shouting at me tho
marble crater
She is a bully
dull scroll
what blessings on blaze force sword?
unstable + uncanny?
uncanny and then deflector, latter of which the only reason you would run force over ds
solid pond
uncanny and then deflector, latter of which the only reason you would run force ...
I also just don't want to use DS
because its DS
summer prairie
I guess they pulled the crashing maps from the pool, but probably didn't replace them with anything in havoc (?)
well I see some of them still but maybe they had the map already
strong gulch
Remember DS before it and uncanny were buffed?
marble crater
No
marble crater
Must have been before I stopped playing only purgatus bubble
strong gulch
Think it was patch 13 that DS and/or rending got buffed.
hearty wolf
Most soggy stabs ever
You stab a mauler in the head and your toothpick breaks before it overheads you
hearty wolf
then again, if the hammer deleted bosses and stuff like that and its neutrals DI...
It does delete them tho
It has got decent stagger too so horde clear isn't a problem with it either
Just takes a lil bit
elfin merlin
is there a frontline force sword build
tulip kettle
what do you mean
marble crater
Bubble knight
elfin merlin
what do you mean
being an absolute moron on a cc class
elfin merlin
ok cool
elfin merlin
anything with the right side of the tree and a FGS
do you have a build for reference ?
tulip kettle
i think theres some unsanctioned psyker who made a video about it or sthing
marble crater
gleaming dust
Is a melee based psyker possible/good
pine shore
It's insanely powerful
plucky flax
Guy looks like a fraud
pine shore
Just gotta not catch a skill issue
pine shore
Guy looks like a fraud
Can I maybe get your thoughts on this build?
pine shore
https://i.vgy.me/YkDiIA.jpg
https://i.vgy.me/63ocMQ.jpg
,
gleaming dust
It's insanely powerful
What does it usually consist of? Rupture, gaze and the right purple one?
jovial juniper
What's rupture
gleaming dust
Brain rupture, is that it’s name?
jovial juniper
Brain rupture, is that it’s name?
Oh no
Assail
pine shore
ass
jovial juniper
Can be weaved during melee
pine shore
what for?
gleaming dust
I love the skill but I would’ve thought that brain burst proc on attack would be cool for melee
jovial juniper
Helps picking targets marked by right keystone
cunning plinth
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGQAIyS4LWc
that strikes me as a loadout you would normally run with scriers, why bubble here?
jovial juniper
Stagger ragers
pine shore
that strikes me as a loadout you would normally run with scriers, why bubble her...
because it's h40
You will just fold in half with scriers
cunning plinth
just a concession to mandatory bubble i see
plucky flax
Can I maybe get your thoughts on this build?
I wouldn't take the left side nodes even on a left click surge build. But it seems you want to left click crusher a few times then zap it with right click so fair.
Seems like a fun build to fool around.
gleaming dust
How do you actually use gaze effectively, and what does it really do for you?
cunning plinth
You will just fold in half with scriers
in waht way tho, if you are currently fighting chances are you are critting and gunner immune anyway
gleaming dust
It feels like you spend longer quelling than using it
pine shore
How do you actually use gaze effectively, and what does it really do for you?
you press it when you need to kill stuff really quickly
Don't quell
Just press it and kill
jovial juniper
How do you actually use gaze effectively, and what does it really do for you?
You spam it
gleaming dust
But you can’t get 30 stacks without quelling
cunning plinth
you should quell a shitton with the crack of bone talent anway
pine shore
But you can’t get 30 stacks without quelling
why do you need 30 stacks?
jovial juniper
It builds damage
jovial juniper
And the effects linger
gleaming dust
you can easily get 30 stacks without quelling
What do this do, sorry I’m still new to this
marble crater
🤓 crack of bone is quelling
pine shore
I never quell unless I'm getting ready to mag dump into a boss
jovial juniper
What do this do, sorry I’m still new to this
Precognition modifier of Gaze
cunning plinth
What do this do, sorry I’m still new to this
you take 1 talent named crack of bone and then you spamm m1s at roughly head hight with a weapon of your choice
as long as there are dudes to swing at, sciers wont end
realistically
and even if it ends early, its not too long of a cd, the effect lingers, and you get also (depending on your talents) much tankier for taking sciers
merry osprey
How's scriar's gaze with a revolver if anybody tried it
pine shore
20% speed >>>>>>>>> 20% tdr
gleaming dust
Seems like a fun build. But why is it built with the right purple skill and not the left one (I don’t know the names, I mean the mark one vs the cool-down one)
pine shore
because you don't need cooldown
cunning plinth
20% speed >>>>>>>>> 20% tdr
por que no los dos, but i meant the toughness on crit/peril quell nodes technically
marble crater
Right keystone has nice synergy with gaze, left doesn't
tulip kettle
Guy looks like a fraud
i mean seeing his dodges go to -6 in the first few mins of the video certainly made ME feel better about myself
cunning plinth
left keystone is also quite far away and typically you run out of talent points before you get down to the goodstuff
ok, but explain high havoc bubble for me, people saidits for putting inbetween you and something you are gonna push so the team can get into melee and live. how does the bubble improve the psykers personal survicability more than sciers + EE would, (i assume at havoc 40 taking a melee attack from an enemy inside the bubble will break your toughness bar anyway so the bubble doesnt actually save you there either) ?
plucky flax
i mean seeing his dodges go to -6 in the first few mins of the video certainly m...
Havoc things too scary for psyker.
tulip kettle
nahhh impossible to be scared of anything with those cheats
tulip kettle
ok, but explain high havoc bubble for me, people saidits for putting inbetween y...
if you get shot
marble crater
ok, but explain high havoc bubble for me, people saidits for putting inbetween y...
Because you surviving doesn't help if your team dies because there is no bubble
tulip kettle
you will die
its really that simple
bubble is the button that allows you to get close enough to the guys with guns to stop them shooting you anymore
vast yew
https://i.vgy.me/lFDhBx.jpg
https://i.vgy.me/6PsKng.jpg
I personally would swap the Assail upgrade to Warp Splitting otherwise it looks good to me
tulip kettle
and also the button you press when you suddenly lose all toughness from the single shooter hiding behind a crate off to your left somewhere
gleaming dust
If someone wouldn’t mind, what are the main build archetypes for psyker? I’ve seen inferno and bubble knight so far
tulip kettle
in havoc there is only inferno realistically
you can play anything for sure but in pubs with randoms you are kind of expected tpo bring inferno
marble crater
If someone wouldn’t mind, what are the main build archetypes for psyker? I’ve se...
There are builds for each staff in the pins
tulip kettle
in aurics literally anything but some cool ones are SG gunpsyker, EK lmb spam, blazing spirit trauma, warp flurry voidstrike
marble crater
There is EK for elite/special hunting and then shriek into hordes and voidblast for "fuck everything in this area"
gleaming dust
There are builds for each staff in the pins <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
Thanks
plucky flax
You have to be really pro to play bubble knight in havoc. Im not that good
gleaming dust
Which is the one that acts like siennas base staff in Vermintide 2. The exploding ring
tulip kettle
voidblast
marble crater
Voidstrike is for making you appreciate the other staves more
plucky flax
Voidblast formerly trauma
tulip kettle
if you are starting out with voidblast, stick to rending shockwave and warp flurry blessings probably
potent echo
I'm surprised how much damage trauma bubbles can do in auric
Do they have the highest base damage out of all staves or smth?
potent echo
Oh I just ran with surge voidblast (don't)
tulip kettle
i think voidstrike has the same if not more damage on the primary target
yes of course not lol
tulip kettle
yes but so will surge staff without the stacks of dd
potent echo
But no explosion
I picked it just to explode bulwark clumps
Maybe next game I'll run terrifying barrage
tulip kettle
in that case then trauma with unyielding and rending shock will do a good job
but EK with unyielding will also make mince of them inshort order
tulip kettle
jovial juniper
Do they have the highest base damage out of all staves or smth?
Yes (no)
potent echo
I'm not playing havoc 40
tulip kettle
it doesnt matter
potent echo
I'm just a enjoyer
tulip kettle
it just means it will work better in non havoc
potent echo
Trauma gameplay makes me sleep
pine shore
What is this node
potent echo
I couldn't
Swap speed
Maybe they are making psyker boltgun in 2026 and wanted to lay the ground work
potent echo
If psyker had a charge talent at all
potent echo
At higher peril charge faster
potent echo
Totally won't result in everyone exploding
jovial juniper
Except every psyker thing swaps faster
potent echo
There's only one thing I wished swapped faster
Basically brautos
But it's also on the left side and it scales with peril 
fierce crest
when will they add a force bolter
pine shore
Are there any mods that show the duration of scriers?
The buff keeps disappearing so I have no idea whether I can keep casting or I'm bout to explode
static sonnet
Are there any mods that show the duration of scriers?
Yeah, warp unbound mod. https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/366
pine shore
Thank you
static sonnet
I think you can change its position on the screen too, but you have to change the code to do so, no built in setting for it. It's fine most of the time by default, but its covered up occasionally by the location pop ups that appear in the middle-top of the screen
quaint elk
60, by the emperor I hope it makes up that damage
glacial vapor
You only use lights for trash
Heavy pokes for everything else
Also, those numbers mean little lol
vast yew
I mean, there's still some kind of nerf coming
Who knows, Cleave Damage might not be the dump stat anymore depending on what they do with it
I've got a Mobility 60 sitting in my inventory waiting to be Consecrated/Empowered just in case
potent echo
theres probably going to be one mark that parries in an aoe and another single target
so perhaps
indigo thunder
Does this mean 15 stacks without dropping or just overall?
marble crater
Overall
ornate hamlet
maintain 15 or more for the duration of 1800 seconds.
tulip kettle
just use DD for a while and youll get it
indigo thunder
DD?
ornate hamlet
disrupt destiny
indigo thunder
I doubt it's Darkest Dungeon
tulip kettle
disrupt... destiny..
ornate hamlet
Good game
marble crater
quaint elk
Yeah I still get fucked up in melee I don't think duelling sword is gonna work
at least with the big sword I can send a beam and it gives me toughness on hitting 3 dudes
tulip kettle
Yeah I still get fucked up in melee I don't think duelling sword is gonna work
i think youd likely be better off using a melee weapon you actively struggle with
in lower difficulty
and just practicing melee combat
then you can use all the weapons and enjoy them
quaint elk
You might be right, I only really do damnation
static sonnet
Could also snag the creature spawner mod and practice risk free in the psychanium
quaint elk
Could level up the weapons on heresy or something
tulip kettle
like if a horde with a few elites in it comes running at you
it should barely even register sort of thing
quaint elk
What's like the setup for duelling sword
marble crater
If you ignore the enemies and let the team handle them they also barely register
quaint elk
I tend to have to handle the enemies, half the team are cops
tulip kettle
idc if im going down youre all coming down with me
marble crater
What's like the setup for duelling sword
I use maniac, carapace, uncanny and thrust, because I only use it for mutants, maulers and crushers
ornate hamlet
idc if im going down youre all coming down with me
quaint elk
I see
tulip kettle
i think thrust is not the one personally but thats a taste thing
quaint elk
so using it like a deimos
tulip kettle
you dont need thrust to hit any breakpointsa
alpine turtle
I use maniac, carapace, uncanny and thrust, because I only use it for mutants, m...
You don't need maniac with thrust, thrust is enough to guarantee one shots
marble crater
you dont need thrust to hit any breakpointsa
Havoc mutants
tulip kettle
you ALWAYS take uncanny strike
quaint elk
it probably helps kill things that are a little damaged still
ornate hamlet
You don't need maniac with thrust, thrust is enough to guarantee one shots
SuuTuuVoo is right
goated psyker x)
alpine turtle
you dont need thrust to hit any breakpointsa
It helps vs bosses, especially scab captains, lets you deal extra damace under the shield
tulip kettle
he is actually right in so far as muties often live with 20 hp or so in havoc
my guy
in havoc
you are not the boss dps man
quaint elk
I can see the way I spend most of my time as psyker is with my hand out shocking things to death with +200% damage
tulip kettle
your boss dps is from your inferno
quaint elk
so the defensive 2h force sword sort of works
tulip kettle
do you mean with smite grongo?
quaint elk
yeah
quaint elk
It's nice with empowered psionics
ornate hamlet
always a good time for the gif when i see the wordy dirty xD
alpine turtle
Smite is incredibly anti-fun to play with
quaint elk
I'm doing a lot of work with it
quaint elk
What do you mean?
tulip kettle
so, if you get some damage tracking mods
you will see you are really not doing very much damage at all
and
quaint elk
I seem to get the most kills and prevent people from harm with the stunning aspect
pastel turtle
I can never settle on bringing trauma or purg to Havoc. Whenever I'm using one I find myself in a situation where I wish I had the other
tulip kettle
you do much less dmg
quaint elk
You smite big hordes, your teammates aren't damaging them
tulip kettle
and yes, you might kill 50 of the weakest enemies by holding 2 full smites with EP
but you could also just venting shirek and walk away
or do, literally anything else
quaint elk
I don't really have a team to regularly play which where smite might fall off, but in randoms it's saving lives
pastel turtle
I'm doing a lot of work with it
No shade what difficulty are you using smite in
tulip kettle
the "lives you are saving" with smite
quaint elk
damnation
tulip kettle
are like, not the case
its hard to explain
smite is great in lower tier content with lower skilled players
pastel turtle
Yeah it's pretty viable up to like Auric at Maelstrom/Havoc you'll see why Smite sucks
quaint elk
I don't know how I can communicate this, but it is highly effective
alpine turtle
Preventing the enemies from grouping prevents the team from utilising their AoEs - less damage
No on dodge effects work - less damage
Smite has worse DPS than your other options - less damage
It doesn't actually help when with bosses + mixed hordes, which is when difficulty spikes
tulip kettle
the fact it disables all "on dodge" effects for all players?
blissful solar
smite is moderately useful though largely only when getting overwhelmed
quaint elk
Players aren't really engaged with the mobs you're killing
tulip kettle
it wont even hold the enemies
dull scroll
0 dmg taken, on a 200ping euro server 😂
tulip kettle
yes they arent because of how the slot system works my dude
this is why smite is taboo
quaint elk
the what
tulip kettle
its a thing that appeals to newer players
alpine turtle
Players aren't really engaged with the mobs you're killing
If they aren't, then the "saving lives" doesn't apply anyway
tulip kettle
who dont actually understand the game
pastel turtle
Players aren't really engaged with the mobs you're killing
I'll try to be more diplomatic than the other guy. There's solid reasons Smite is discounted for higher level play and still kind of disruptive for your team at lower level play.
quaint elk
what would you suggest instead
blissful solar
branburst supremacy
quaint elk
I swear to god-emperor, if it's purgatus
alpine turtle
Whether it's useful or not though, smite spam is incredibly unfun to play with
It slows down the game and prevents other people from engaging with the enemies
quaint elk
assail felt really weak
tulip kettle
kind of bad in lower content because there just arent dense enough enemies to make it worthwhile
which is crazy
alpine turtle
Smite can be a useful tool at the right times
But smite spam sucks to play with
pastel turtle
what would you suggest instead
Practice a lot with trauma or purge staffs. Mastering either one of those is essential to playing a good Psyker at hard content. If you don't want those you can try the Scrier's Gaze/Assail combo, which is harder but can also be very rewarding
quaint elk
it eats up a lot of peril for the little damage it seems to do
tulip kettle
because assail is ACTUALLY killing he trash mobs
quaint elk
so the ultimate goal of psyker is being a staggerer and shrieker
alpine turtle
Gaze + DD + Assail with Warp Splitting actually wipes hordes
pastel turtle
so the ultimate goal of psyker is being a staggerer and shrieker
Or the team bubble mule
tulip kettle
in the highest tier content
quaint elk
But that dude said master the staves which stagger
tulip kettle
enemies CANT BE STAGGERED
quaint elk
Oh I get it now
alpine turtle
And it's pretty good vs dreg ragers and gunners, and decent vs scab gunners
tulip kettle
so you can understand why smite would be literally useless
quaint elk
Dom is a havoc player I think
alpine turtle
Even below that
Smite isn't as useful as you think
It slows down the game, reduces team damage
pastel turtle
But that dude said master the staves which stagger
Trauma/voidblast knocks them on their ass which is distinct from stagger
alpine turtle
And generally doesn't actually protect players
alpine turtle
Aurics and above smite spam can be detrimental
tulip kettle
and, again, like you said, the smite is spreading to enemies NOT engaged with a player
alpine turtle
(Still unfun)
upper trout
is there a list for best marks for every weapon or something like that, along with the strike combos? i was told the psyker's atheneum guide on steam is quite outdated
quaint elk
So on h40 they can still be knocked back on their ass?
tulip kettle
who are moving to their waiting positions
depends on the modifiers
with some modifers, no
alpine turtle
Reds can't
tulip kettle
they are immune to all cc
quaint elk
This doesn't really matter to me yet, I only just stopped playing ogryn
tulip kettle
yeah so hres what i would say
quaint elk
can't exactly go for havoc
pastel turtle
is there a list for best marks for every weapon or something like that, along wi...
I just search the weapon name here and see what people are saying about it. Once you see like 5 or more messages saying the same thing there's your meta consensus
alpine turtle
But using smite instead of engaging with melee builds bad habits
tulip kettle
and i hope you realise im just mentally spicy and no ill will intended
quaint elk
I dunno how to do melee
tulip kettle
you need to elarn to play the actual game
alpine turtle
Just learn to use your dodges and comboes with your weapons
quaint elk
I do my dodges and combos
tulip kettle
and even though you see 1000 enemies
quaint elk
you just get surrounded with no support
pastel turtle
I dunno how to do melee
It's more difficult as Psyker for sure but you have great options with the Blaze force swords, force greatswords, and of course DS4
quaint elk
which might be a playing with randoms thing, I suppose you guys have decent people you play with
alpine turtle
Psyker has incredible survivability thanks to toughness regen and their fast stamina regen delay, if you can leverage it
tulip kettle
i mentioned the slot system
only a few enemies actually interact with you at a time
alpine turtle
which might be a playing with randoms thing, I suppose you guys have decent peop...
I play with randoms too
Or true solos
tulip kettle
once you learn how this system works you make it so you are only interacting with one or 2 enemies at a time anyway
even though there are 100s on screen
quaint elk
Psyker has incredible survivability thanks to toughness regen and their fast sta...
I don't feel like I have that unless I'm constantly killing everything with smite and the lightning staff
tulip kettle
when they arent interacting with a player they want to stand to the side in big dense blobs
but when you smite
you stop them doing this
so they are all spread out everywhere stood still
quaint elk
maybe I will have to come crawling back to purgatus
tulip kettle
like i said, i honestly think you should play like, 5 heresy runs with a weapon you dont like
and make it your goal to not get hit one time in melee
quaint elk
yeah bro I smite hordes the players aren't engaged with, I am sure there is merit to what you say but I am removing problems before they are problems with this sort of build
tulip kettle
again you arent
glacial vapor
Oh hey, the bi-weekly smite discussion
tulip kettle
i explained why
quaint elk
lightning storm and empowered psionics seems to imply otherwise at least in a random damnation game
tulip kettle
and we are saying the thing that you think you are achieving
is easily achieved with one of a million options that doesnt come with all of the downside and also works correctly in higher tier content
quaint elk
so what do you use
alpine turtle
is easily achieved with one of a million options that doesnt come with all of th...
And: isn't anti-fun
tulip kettle
what do you want to see
quaint elk
I don't see how it's anti-fun though
quaint elk
I am electrocuting a lot of dudes to save my teammates
alpine turtle
It turns off the enemies for the other players, it slows the game down
tulip kettle
half of the talents in your tree say "on successful dodge, do X"
quaint elk
No lol the zealot has his field covered you don't have to smite that
tulip kettle
the blessings on your weapns say "on succesful dodge, do X"
glacial vapor
Removes all the danger and excitement. It's just whack-a-mole walking simulator
tulip kettle
but now the enemies dont attack
quaint elk
zealot is a separate entity
quaint elk
seemingly rare since the arbitrator came out
tulip kettle
keep using smite and never be good
alpine turtle
I am electrocuting a lot of dudes to save my teammates
Or you're preventing them from attacking and getting close, thus they aren’t acting as a shield from ranged enemies, the Zealot loses damage from no Duellist, and loses toughness from no Second Wind
tulip kettle
nono dude
this guy controls the smite
so it only smites the things zealot isnt fighting
quaint elk
I'm not smiting stuff that other players are engaged with, I tend to hordeclear
alpine turtle
No lol the zealot has his field covered you don't have to smite that
If no one else is fighting the enemies, you're not protecting anyone
Can't have it both ways
vestal trench
wake up
tulip kettle
the dps on smite is painfully low
vestal trench
smyker discourse
quaint elk
It's not an ideal solution but it is an effective one, it requires a stack of empowered psionics
vestal trench
try trauma staff if you want cc and damage
tulip kettle
but only because you dont have anything actually good to compare it to
quaint elk
I have mastered arbites
alpine turtle
And their whole gimmick is stagger
They actually deal good damage whrn doing so though