psyker-class

[dense wolf]

those are my stats? holy im ass

[ripe obsidian]

You did better in the previous games

That game I just stole all the damage

[dense wolf]

i did an ok job at being alive with 200 ping btw

maybe 300 ping

[marble crater]

Karien alt

[strong gulch]

I honestly would prefer no derank but if you lose you get a new map. Part of the "punishment" is you don't get another try of that map and modifier combo.

[dense wolf]

never that

[strong gulch]

Damage isn't everything. It does feel good having the most tho.

[dusky bear]

in mortis trials do the burning perks apply to psykers soul fire?

[upper sun]

i dont even want party finder in general
40 havocs is too much for a game with what? 15k active players?

[marble crater]

Just don't lose, smh

[ripe obsidian]

You did fine. No complaints here

[upper sun]

just delete everything except havoc 40 35 30 25 20 and add quick play

[dense wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-wtf-cat-wtf-cat-cute-cat-gif-19084287

[deft stump]

I mean, I know the moment he mentioned name. Lul.

[ripe obsidian]

I was bad in the first game, and I blew myself up in the last game. But I think I did well otherwise.

[dense wolf]

ye

[strong gulch]

That feels better

[deft stump]

Lies. Do I need to join Elios in a game just to prove it?

[dense wolf]

[deft stump]

Cos I annoyed him with my arby before.

[dense wolf]

u joined outta nowhere lol

[marble crater]

Yes, I have never seen you two in the same game at once

[deft stump]

Because I can.

[marble crater]

[dense wolf]

like a sneaky rat

[deft stump]

Those two are being annoying.

Do I get on?

[marble crater]

Who is annoying you?

[dense wolf]

idk

[deft stump]

I am a cat, ffs.

[dense wolf]

[deft stump]

No, I'm serious.

[dense wolf]

if u wanna

i don kner

[ripe obsidian]

I was actually a little surprised how long I stayed alive in the second game when it was just me and the Zealot

[dense wolf]

tru

[deft stump]

Just gimmie 5 mins.

Load screens and all that.

[dense wolf]

you host, me lazy to do

[deft stump]

Do you want lag?

[dense wolf]

i dont mind

[deft stump]

e_e

[dense wolf]

[ripe obsidian]

I am doing an Auric Mortis as Arby, and I am taking all the toughness boons. I am immortal.

[marble crater]

Just play in a region where you both lag

[dense wolf]

[marble crater]

[ripe obsidian]

A poxburster did 30 toughness damage. Pfft.

[dense wolf]

seems fair

[plucky flax]

Real carries dont dont damage like karien. Damage is a lie

[dense wolf]

[deft stump]

WDYM?

[deft stump]

SEE.

[deft stump]

TWO DIFFERENT PPL REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[marble crater]

Okay, calm down

[deft stump]

[dense wolf]

wild spotting

[ripe obsidian]

Thumbs up

[dense wolf]

[deft stump]

[plucky flax]

Do i have to spell it out?

You are very pro you dont need to do much damage to win games.

Tru carry

[dense wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/capoo-sweating-bugcat-nervous-panic-gif-16864298

[plucky flax]

Karien

[ripe obsidian]

The amount of cutesy gifs and reaction images in this chat has increased exponentially

[plucky flax]

Why you sweating

[dense wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stupid-cat-foolish-cat-trying-to-bite-finger-finger-gif-11662478896892210397

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/why-are-you-running-why-are-you-running-away-pretty-liars1-nollywood-gif-16102856

[dusky bear]

anyone know if the fire perks in mortis trials also affect soulfire?

didnt seem to be when i used them

[marble crater]

No idea, if I had to guess then no, because fire and soulblaze are different things

[ripe obsidian]

No, unless something changed

[deft stump]

@dense wolf

[dense wolf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/779424458238459946/1389879828429275136/tenor_82.gif

[blissful solar]

https://tenor.com/view/minminmin0712-min-vycdd-peek-hiding-gif-15531987

[fickle spade]

What Mod do you use for that Looks clean

[dusky bear]

see this ability just confuses me. why not have it work on soulfire too

[marble crater]

Mortis Trials in general is not very great for psykers that use staves

[dusky bear]

idk about that

[dense wolf]

[fallen zodiac]

looks like
Scoreboard
Ovenproof's scoreboard plugin (also needs a separate patch mod)
and Loadout Monitor(?)

i recommend "Power DI" tho for an all-in-one solution

[marble crater]

That doesn't change the fact that many of the upgrades just don't do anything for your staff

[dusky bear]

and of course a demonhost just wrecks everyones shit before i can hit 1k kills

those last 3 waves were a big "f u" from sefoni. 9th was a near non stop hoard of ragers

10th was 3 plague ogryns and a beast at the same time

11th was some random kill target boss

and 12 was a rush of mutants and trappers with the demonhost

[blissful solar]

i wish mortis would avoid bon spawns cuz they're kinda annoying as shit

[plucky flax]

Imagine playing meme mode

[dusky bear]

i find it fun

[fickle spade]

Okay thx i have Seen Power DI a Couple of Times but its so much to configer

[dusky bear]

im about to pull off a hat trick

[fallen zodiac]

i dont think ive changed any settings, just had to learn the UI. the main thing to know is you can re-arrange these row orders. so if you drag defender_type to the top, it'll show you how many kills you got per category, rather than total damage in that category, for example. and the Report rows in blue are expandable

[fickle spade]

Not to bad actually but im Kinda looking for Something more Lightweight you know

[fallen zodiac]

[fickle spade]

Or i might Just use Power DI

Cuz if need more Info i have it

Thank you <3

[dense wolf]

[fallen zodiac]

my main issue w scoreboard is the original mod's calculations are weird. and Ovenproof's plguin fixed that. but now he moved on to Power DI , so his plugin is only supported by community patches going forward

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-not-that-theres-anything-wrong-with-that-gif-10732604

[fickle spade]

Thats the Thing its the Same with the weapons Attachment Mod great on paper but its so bloated

[weary idol]

Hey so I heard a psyker in havoc the other day say something about a dreg mauler

As in a voiceline

[strange hamlet]

not in my dream

[weary idol]

Was a loner psyker and it was one of the ambient callouts for enemies

[fickle spade]

New unit?!

[weary idol]

yeah that one

[fickle spade]

Or rather enemy would be sick

What Armor Type would He have tho

[weary idol]

carapace body and flak head obviously

[strange hamlet]

I thought it was a cut enemies bc wasn't it in the game play reveal trailer?

[cunning plinth]

question, does the flamepsyker build actually start feeling good before like, havoc? i feel like stuff dies too fast for the damage to "REALLY" start rampin

[fickle spade]

Same as the dreg Bomber No?

Then fatfish added him later on

I Wonder If we will get a Hook Rat or These fat vermintide blight wizards

[strange hamlet]

or they forgot to remove the files after what 2-3 years

[weary idol]

yeah but then why would a voiceline now be playing if not NEW ENEMY LEAK huh?

Are you gonna tell me that Fatshark has spaghetti code?

Because that's true but I want to BELIEVE

[strange hamlet]

we've entered full seer psyker haven't we

[fickle spade]

The Biggest i have Seen in a while

[strange hamlet]

I mean the voice line was heard in a match like 2 years ago and nothing has happened so far...

[cunning plinth]

ok real question: even in aurics, throwing little headshot shards around "feels" pretty good, is it generally considered a mid/bad build because the damage just doesnt scale to havoc?

or is it because the ability itself is a bit of a scam and its going to always feel much better than it actually is in reality

[strange hamlet]

id say its down to what your comfortable with, for me im comfortable using BB, smite or assail in havoc

bc while everyone wants smite, it is boring imo

[fickle spade]

Do you Guys even bother using BB or Smite If the psyker staffs are so much "better"

[strange hamlet]

i do because hehe funny enemy go pop

[cunning plinth]

well, my "comfort" build isnt very meta or rather, its extremely outdated, as its surge for ogryns and bulwaks and stuff that gets oneshot by the aimbot like trappers, assail as like "general main damage" and then a blaze sword or force GS for horde clear with DD, but that build is very much driven by "surge spamming a few bulwarks" feeling very effective, when in reality trauma staff with flame is "propably" just better

[strange hamlet]

then if you do good with what your good at dont change it no matter what others say

[cunning plinth]

i sometimes like smite for the same reason i like castigator stance or book as like a "everybody stop and let me weasel myself out of this mess i got myself into" button, like a soft reset. but that means that i likely wont press it in most games as im not "trying" to feed

[weary idol]

the damage does infact still work in havoc

for uh

[cunning plinth]

i guess the falloff comes when its not 4 bulwaks, but 10 and the surge staff only opens up 2 of them 😄

[weary idol]

gun psyker build

[strange hamlet]

ignore this one

[weary idol]

assail does a lot of damage on a crit

don't build for it tho

it's still secondary to your actual weapons

also don't use it on staff psyker because staves are better than it

[strange hamlet]

best piece of advice: find your groove and master it but most importantly have fun

[cunning plinth]

depends, to wipe out a group of regular gunners and some "stuff", dumping a few shards in their direction and moving on with your day is more effective than surge or voidstrike staffing them 1 by 1

[fickle spade]

Yeah people hate If you overuse it and i agree with that cuz you dont need to Smite for 3 poxwalkers but If you have Like 70 enemies infront of you thats a pretty nice reset Button Same as book Like you Said

[weary idol]

I just voidblast and kill them all

Or inferno and kill them all/suppress them instantly

Since those are y'know the two good staves

[strange hamlet]

from my experience people won't even kill the groups you do shock they just run around em and leave you to deal with the +100 enemies

[cunning plinth]

i just get tired of voidblast after 2 games because i just find it mechanically annoying to use? not a real complaint i realize just eeee

[weary idol]

Thank god for that honestly

[cunning plinth]

middle capstone moment!!!!!

[weary idol]

The less people using smite the better

[cunning plinth]

psyker talent tree rework where assail doesnt lock me out of "the funny node"?

when?

fatshark?

[strange hamlet]

the funny node?

[weary idol]

granted the funny node is now brutally nerfed

as it should be

[cunning plinth]

isnt it still like, super good? or did they nerf it more than the text suggests

[strange hamlet]

I thought you meant the one where you can survive going supernova

[cunning plinth]

what was the old value again?

[weary idol]

That node is the shitty node

[cunning plinth]

venting shriek?!

[weary idol]

That is the old value. It hasn't ben nerfed

[strange hamlet]

the funny one

[weary idol]

Also unlisted downside of that node is that it makes your perils explosion much faster

So you don't have as much time to react when the game fucks you over and lies about your peril count if you accidentally pop yourself

[cunning plinth]

gunpsyker who takes crystalline will, the terrible "regenerate less toughness" node, the "cant blow up after scriers" node, every auto peril dump node, and ONLY uses scriers and assail

[hexed vapor]

Trauma I find so unbelievably fun, always loved conflag. But it's really just worse rumbler, less damage, less area, similar stagger, technically higher uptime, unless the ogryn is lucky with free ammo

[cunning plinth]

my "game lied about actual peril" trust issues are so bad i just kinda never want to drop venting despite really enjoying scriers

and it happened to me like... twice

[weary idol]

scriers also stops you from popping since its buff in the last patch

[cunning plinth]

but blowing up feels like peein my pants

[cunning plinth]

oh i must have missed those patchnotes

can you link them by chance?

[fallen zodiac]

that's basically how i leveled my psykers pre-assail nerf 😭

[weary idol]

wasn't arbites patch it was the one before that

sec

[hexed vapor]

It drops 50% peril now i think

[cunning plinth]

oh wait when you pop it?

[hexed vapor]

Yeah on activate

[cunning plinth]

thats actually kinda cool, i mostly played arbites until i got bored and remembered that i like playing at midrange more anyway, and didnt even try scriers again

[cunning plinth]

oi

thats actually really neat

[weary idol]

Also overpowered and should be reverted frankly

[cunning plinth]

scriers assail stonks way up?

[weary idol]

It's not the worst offender of the spreadsheet balance that right tree psyker got that patch though

[cunning plinth]

actually, i lied, scriers flame staff if we are being honest

[weary idol]

this is the worst change they made with the right tree buffs

[cunning plinth]

ill need to read that entire patch then i missed that completly

[weary idol]

Even before those buffs right tree psyker was only a little worse than staff psyker, and they keep buffing it for no reason

Just because it all has very low pickrates

People play the space wizard to build for space magic who could have seen that coming

[summer prairie]

So the captain/twins shield one-shot bug is seemingly fall damage

[plucky flax]

Just dont get hit

[hexed vapor]

Oh? Something to do with being airborne when grounded?

[static sonnet]

Had a dream I got into a match with you

[summer prairie]

I wasn't airborne, some weird stagger/geometry related thing maybe

I think it was flat though

[plucky flax]

Probably mistook me for some unsanctioned guy

[cunning plinth]

im still unsure if actually going "GUN" is the play, but mixing in some gun "stuff" seems like it is

like, unless they changed that interaction, the firestaff goes fucking crazy with scriers

[weary idol]

Yeah

[plucky flax]

Did you know it goes even crazier with creeping flames

[weary idol]

I either use Bolt Pistol or Voidblast staff in havoc with gun psyker

Bolt pistol I am not using because I want to use the bolt pistol

I am using it so my FGS waves can kill fodder enemies through bosses and bulwarks

And also so Assail still kills enemies when it decides it wants to bodyshot them

[cunning plinth]

idk if the default build editor supports it, is there a talent/build editor that lets me see the final values? like, select all my talents and (hypothetically) every single curio +17 toughness and +5% toughness on it to see what actual final toughness id have?

hypothetically of course, definetly not makiin a silly build

whats the verdict on the charged strikes buff? is it worth taking now?

[dense wolf]

[cunning plinth]

16 to 64 is a large buff but 64 on a heavy is still not a lot?

(sry im catching up with an entire psyker balance patched i just "missed")

[summer prairie]

It's good horde damage but that about it. It doesn't get buffed by anything I believe due to not being attributed as your damage

[cunning plinth]

it not being attributed as our damage seems really weird or unintended

but ig

well, horde clear is something im genuinly not struggeling with 😄

also, runnin around with a shield on arbites a bunch finally convinced me to take deflector i guess. then again, on psyker i propably need it the least since i more or less permanently count as doding i guess?

[cunning plinth]

this seems only ok for a lot of builds? generally i dont want to explode but more or less permanently chill at 99% peril? i dont think i want to dump that much unless i go pull melee scriers gaze?

or am i undervaluing this

[weary idol]

melee scriers gaze

that combined with the SG buff means you get to have SG up for as long as there are enemies to kill

because of how absurdly good it is at quelling your peril

It is so strong that I have multiple times considered removing warp rider from my SG build

Because you're just never at high peril even in SG

[cunning plinth]

i guess you take something reasonably fast attacking and with DR up and constantly generating and dumping peril you are also kinda "effectively" immortal except from like, overheads?

castigator stance at home but actually kinda crazy?

[weary idol]

doesn't need to be fast attack just needs to kill things in melee

so like...everything

if you're swinging at the right height into a horde you're killing at least 2 enemies with a headshot in melee with every swing

[cunning plinth]

actually speaking of dying, i actually NEVER asked and its stange that i havent... how does taking health damage while you still have toughness actually work, like mechanically, AND, if going melee crit psyker with scriers and soulblaze synergy still being very good.... are any of the force swords with the soulblaze on crit blessings any good? it seems like it wont add much damage except vs bosses because overkill or carapace, but it should activate all the "kill something that has soulblaze on it" talents

[weary idol]

if you have full toughness you don't take any damage through from melee attacks (except for overheads obviously)

it's percentage based

100% toughness means no bleed through, 90% means 10% etc.

[cunning plinth]

i feel like if i go scriers melee psyker with a capable weapon, realistically going for double damage blessings on that weapon im propably just overkilling stuff? like, its dying in 1-2 swings "anyway" ? might as well use my blessings on utility?

[weary idol]

also soulblaze on crit is bad on every single psyker weapon that can take it except for the voidblast staff

[cunning plinth]

that makes sense

[weary idol]

golden toughness also prevents any toughness bleedthrough from any attack iirc

snipers and poxbursters will deal full health damage if their shot breaks your toughness

[cunning plinth]

ok last question: i have heard conflicting takes on this. psyker, low base stamina, but super high regeneration... do i, realistically, need the +3 stam curio? or can i max out toughness

[hexed vapor]

Which is why extra toughness is good, because 50 damage to 100 toughness means your next hit will bleed 25 through, but 50 damage to 150 will only bleed ~17

[weary idol]

As someone who plays gun psyker a lot I used to run a +3 stamina curio

I switched off of it and it has changed literally nothing about my play

[cunning plinth]

(this being the last question was a lie, i just came up witha new one)

[fading shoal]

I use 3 x toughness then apply +12% stamina regen on each curio.

[cunning plinth]

i dont find myself really running out of stamina on psyker even when blocking a boss if i just drop my guard inbetween their swings until the boss automatically swithes targets, even without it

the stamina regen on curio, thats only the out of combat coherency regeneration no? or does that scale (all) toughness regeneration as a multiplier

[weary idol]

that is only coherency yes

and it's not "out of combat" it can occur while you are actively being shot at

the thing that stops it is an enemy trying to attack you in melee

[cunning plinth]

oh its just always ticking

ah

ok

m

hm

[weary idol]

the curio thing also reduces the delay before it kicks in (by the same value)

[weary idol]

it's still not really worth it despite that tho because coherency regen is really slow outside of...certain factors

[hexed vapor]

Wait stamina or toughness regen?

[weary idol]

p sure the stamina regen was a typo

[fading shoal]

It is

For curios, +30% toughness regen uses coherency but not +12% stamina regen.

[cunning plinth]

ok, correct me if im wrong anywhere here btw about the staffs currently, gun psyker being its own thing:

voidblast: run fire blessing, stagger dudes, kinda like bullgryn but im not taking ammo and im activating all my soulblaze synergies
voidstrike: unsure what the current application is? does gun psyker outcompete this?
fire staff: left click for funny suppression, right click with uncanny melee weapon for havoc scoreboard farming (people are happy if all the regualr fodder enemies just die)
electric staff: nice for aimbotting trappers and opening bulwakrs and the stun but not super meta outside of being very safe defensively?

(im re-doing all my old psyker builds rn and i mean, i missed at least one real balance patch)

[weary idol]

voidstrike is for firing baseballs at the heretics

[cunning plinth]

gunker doesnt really use the comumnus anymore either right? its still decent i imagine but i saw people running a lasgun with fire?

[weary idol]

it's the only staff that does adequate carapace damage

[cunning plinth]

how does it stack up to casting gun?

[weary idol]

It's Vraks now but it's still their best in slot gun for actual damage output

[weary idol]

It's kind of like a way shittier infinite ammo revolver

No real reason to take it in the context of how gun psyker plays

[weary idol]

right click on fire staff is the one with suppression, uncanny+left click is used for damage since it keeps blaze away at max stacks and makes the DoT do more damage

electric staff also has higher crit chance than the other staves and is most commonly used for left click spam builds

[cunning plinth]

i know they tried buffing them but leftclick staff just doesnt feel good to use to me idk

it might perform well but it "feels" bad

it feels like assail killed itself and came back to life in hell

just to confirm, kinetic flayer doesnt prock on soulblaze ticks right? it has to be actual attacks so like, rightclick firestaff etc to activate it ON cooldown

[weary idol]

it does

[cunning plinth]

(this might be the last question, pomise)

[weary idol]

I don't think it's supposed to but it does work on soulblaze procs

[cunning plinth]

it does? so any buil that takes any source of soulblaze and left side (basically) activates it on cd?

[weary idol]

which is pretty nice since as far as I know Kinetic Flayer prioritizes specials/elites if you've hit multiple enemies at the same time

[cunning plinth]

that seems... pretty decent?

[weary idol]

and soulblaze will damage a lot of enemies across the map

so it kinda just passively kills a special/elite every 15 seconds

[cunning plinth]

yeah every 15 sec free brainburst, sure, ill take that?

its like a free but very slow dog?

[weary idol]

it is the only thing making brain burst not the worst blitz in the game

so yeah

if you take BB you better take KF

[cunning plinth]

well, psykinetics aura is right below it, which unfortunatly makes it one of the best blitzes in the game?

[weary idol]

it's also below smite which is a thousand times better than BB's normal effect

[cunning plinth]

yeah we talked about the value of smite as a "oh shit oh fuck" button. a great button to have but ideally never press

[weary idol]

BB is a terrible button to have and terrible to press

It solves nothing for psyker, and is extremely bad at the one thing that it does

[cunning plinth]

well, depends, i like having BB too in case we, like most pugs, dont even have a vet and i run voidblast and a stabby sword and i would really love to get rid of that fuckass bomber and sniper way in the back.
(i could leftclick them too i guess)

[weary idol]

yeah left click would kill them better unless they are extremely far away

like 40 meters

anywhere closer I'm just left clicking them

[cunning plinth]

last time i checked the ranged boss damage from taking the "fast BB after venting shriek" talent was ok?

[weary idol]

it's still far weaker than even mediocre boss damage melee weapons

and none of the melees you want to use as a backup on staff psyker are going to have bad boss damage

[cunning plinth]

if taking a staff, do we take the left cluster that stacks up leftckick damage? (non inferno staff)

[weary idol]

not unless you're using electric staff

[hexed vapor]

BB is great for having a long ranged option to deal with specials that are fucking around, but they tend to get shot half way through a channel in pugs a lot

[weary idol]

yeah by me, also using a staff but with my left click

BB is convenient to get enemies running to cover sometimes

[weary idol]

https://imgur.com/a/5JCILC2 this is with a meme max brain burst build

it's not great

[cunning plinth]

hm

[weary idol]

it's certainly better than assail and smite for boss damage but it's still not good

[cunning plinth]

hmmm

[weary idol]

https://imgur.com/a/x8a8LuX
https://imgur.com/a/1a5jieq
https://imgur.com/a/XJagbdS gun psyker with their actually good boss damage for comparison

[cunning plinth]

ok, so after finding out about the scriers gaze buffs i really want to play that, but also i kinda want psykinetics aura. is there any staff thats not worse than a gun that actually goes well scriers and doesnt just go better with venting? maybe i should just cave in and play gunpsyker like god intended

damn non arbites talent tree, i cant have every good talent that i want at the same time for any build? what the fuck? why am i forced to make choices? fatshark buff psyker

[weary idol]

the only staff that I'd say is worse than a gun is Voidstrike

Gun Psyker using guns is a symptom of their high natural peril generation and desire for more immediate damage that staves can't provide

[cunning plinth]

worse than gun with scriers i mean, basically, NOT better with venting shriek but better than gun with scriers, i dont think that staff exists unfortunatly

[hexed vapor]

Psyker tree will get adjusted after zealot and vet, so like over a year away

[weary idol]

warp unbound SG is very good for all 3 staves that don't fire baseballs at heretics

[cunning plinth]

looking at the vet and zealot tree after coming from arbites is very funny tho.

[cunning plinth]

unsure about the math, dont 6 more stacks of soulblaze win for inferno and blast?

and somebody up the top said that lightning staff is mostly used for leftclick memes

[weary idol]

SG boosts your damage globally

which includes the damage of every tick of soulblaze

it's a bit of a different playstyle but if you can stack scriers to even like 10 or so stacks

it gives a lot of damage to DoT procs

[cunning plinth]

yeah i havent done the math to see what wins, soulblaze stacking non-linearly or SG scaling the existing max stacks

[weary idol]

Voidblast also happens to do quite sizable raw damage on top of being very good at applying soul blaze with blazing spirit

Or if you're running 2nd psyker and not taking soulblaze at all and going armor shredder voidblast instead

[cunning plinth]

ok, fuck, i love this class too much its too interesting. of hypothetical problem scenario, lets say i wanted to abuse crack of bone with the buffed scriers gaze for melee psyker memes, but my build is also (supposed) to be at least a little serious.... and im using any of the 2 staffs that proc fire, so blast or inferno.... what i have found that, except for movement, bosses and blocking, i actually end up whipping out my melee not that often? as both staves kinda take care of close to midrange enemies for me?

building all this melee synergie and then just rightclicking with voidblast anyway is very funny but also a little sad

[weary idol]

I wouldn't build soulblaze on a staff I take on gunker

[zinc phoenix]

I use it purely to go after specials or gunners when I’ve got nothing else going on. Any other time I’m using the staff

[weary idol]

I only use voidblast on them because you are going to kill things faster in melee on a melee build, and I use the voidblast for utility and crowd control

Seriously if you're building melee on psyker your melee is going to kill faster than a staff you take as backup

[zinc phoenix]

Using it on a boss or heavy stuff is just pointless

[paper oriole]

Do you have any recomendations on how to get cliffhanger penance?
I am asking for build, maps and diffculty
I have been playing for around 15 missions on various maps and cant get it 😦

[fading shoal]

Venting Shriek and final part of Smelter Complex HL-17-36. After you destroy 3 of the eye demons, then a horde wave spawns. Push them into the lava.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer-40k-darktide/images/7/70/Smelter_Complex_HL-17-36.PNG/revision/latest?cb=20231117211254

[weary idol]

I did it near the release of the game on any of the chasm maps that have you go across the big bridge at the start

best one would be chasm logistratum

there are ~3 sections with very tiny bridges you can funnel enemies onto and then push them off using smite, shriek, or whatever

[deft stump]

Learn to smite flick if you take it.

You can fling enemies off places with it.

[cunning plinth]

well, i didnt say gunker i said crack of bone with scriers gaze :P, basically the synergy im imagining im trying to assemble is:

kinetic flayer procced on CD from passive soulblaze, crack of bone, AND most importantly, souldrinker, but also run scriers to actually make use of crack of bone instead of being annoyed that my peril is getting dumped

[fading shoal]

Is the Cliffhanger penance always just 7 enemies or was the body count higher in the past?

[cunning plinth]

the talent synergy exists, im just mostly undecided/unsure if any primary weapon really fits with that

as it needs to enable to start soulblaze spreading as (like you said) melee soulblaze is terrible

[paper oriole]

Thanks you all for help, I will try all these options out 😄

[cunning plinth]

running a gun fits nicely into the build except then i cant really make use of souldrinker and i think souldrinker is really cool

i think im missing a puzzle piece

souldrinker being on the right side of the tree seems generally weird as all the soulblaze stuff is typically on the other side

[weary idol]

used to be 15

with lower enemy density because there was no high intensity or auric

[cunning plinth]

stupid question nr 15: because the wording on the talent tree is inconsistent: souldrinker activates if I kill an enemy that HAS soulblaze right? i dont have to kill it "WITH" soulblaze?

[weary idol]

yeah but here's the fun part

can't refresh the duration

:)

so you only get that toughness back once every 5 seconds

[cunning plinth]

hmm

thats annoying, but 5% crit is still good IF i can manage to find a build that gets it somewhat for free?

but i am still short a primary weapon that makes sense here

the 2 that come into question kinda make the investment in melee moot

can somebody help me understand (why) the soulblaze on melee is bad? theoretically assumig i was using it as a gimmick to start spreading even just 1 stack of soulblaze around the entire map to activate kinetic flayer on CD

ok sry for spamm, thanks for all the tips and questions answered. i literally dont have enough talent points to get the full imaginary dream build rolling anyway, like 3 short

[jovial juniper]

You're more likely to kill someone with a CRIT

And if it dies, it doesn't get blazed

[cunning plinth]

oh lol, that makes sense, yeah melee crit in fatshark games are very powerful, i was hoping it would apply the crit before the damage so it would count for all the "kill something with soulblaze" talent synergies

[cunning plinth]

whats your gunker build? also, i might be wrong, but after looking at the talent tree it seems really hard to cheat and run scriers and crack of bone without "actually" commiting to a full gunker build like you said, so you were right

[dusky bear]

behold

the hat trick

[cunning plinth]

that looked like you just hit a emote on him and his head exploded

[dusky bear]

if only there was a mod to make that be the psykers BB animation

[merry meteor]

Hey. So I wanted to try other psyker's flavors, something that would use staffs I'm never actually using. And they seem so weak and hard to use so far.. Am I doing it wrong, or it's a balance issue? Using shredder autopistol and recon lasgun before that was so much better, they killed low armored targets almost instantly. Not only the default crosshair on some staffs are beyond afwult (barely visible dot), but they also lack a punch, and very prone to overcharging in a heat of combat

voidblast is more or less good due to easy stagger on secondary, and inferno is probably good in some builds made just for it I heard. But still doesn't feel like a good alternative

[upper sun]

inferno does big damage later on it scales very with with more and more enemies

how are you building it?

[nocturne dust]

They become stronger than gunker pretty readily at high difficulties, but staves are high investment and generally need to be fully kitted out. You can see the pins for some staff builds (2nd pin).

[zinc phoenix]

I wish psyk aura and wildfire weren’t locked behind bb and smite

Assail bubble wc would be a fun trauma build

[upper sun]

yea

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I go assail/inferno sometimes

[zinc phoenix]

🤮

[nocturne dust]

Psyk aura is overrated

[upper sun]

😭

but bosses

[nocturne dust]

Embrace Scrier's Inferno

[upper sun]

😭

[glacial vapor]

Assail/inferno/scriers

[upper sun]

but

[zinc phoenix]

team wide CDR overrated

[nocturne dust]

That's what Scrier's Inferno is for

[upper sun]

you have no weakspot damage

😭

[zinc phoenix]

🤔

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/thegoon-bigoldgoon-ted-lasso-yes-yes-yes-yes-gif-701975896996955852

[zinc phoenix]

Good show, terrible take

[nocturne dust]

Don't take precision

[upper sun]

thats not great

[zinc phoenix]

Don’t do this

Any of it

Happy to help

[upper sun]

you have no tools for distant enemies

[nocturne dust]

I can see why you're having trouble

[merry meteor]

the staff's 1st attack?

[upper sun]

how do you kill snipers with smite inferno

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, staff's primary is fine (except Inferno)

[zinc phoenix]

You are avoiding some of the best psyker nodes to take some of the worst

[upper sun]

the staff m1 is pretty much smite

you dont need both

[nocturne dust]

They're running trauma I think?

but also, don't take smite and trauma, lol

[merry meteor]

I just don't use it )) It seemd like it requires a cheesy build and a dedicated group, same as flamer - and I play Damnation/Auric max where it's not really needed

[upper sun]

@merry meteor follow this build

[cunning plinth]

well it does presume that everybody presses their abilities on CD and that pressing them on CD makes sense in that moment. it kinda depends who you are playing with. if you have a shoutvet and book zealot on your team, psyk aura is S++++ no question i am sure, if you are just in a random auric pug with whatever classes, the arbites bash is up permanently anyway, that charge zealot has carge up always anyway, etc.
i guess it depends on how organized the play is

[upper sun]

why do you have the 3 upgrades if you dont use it?

[merry meteor]

Meaning?

[nocturne dust]

Bro even has charged strike 😭

[zinc phoenix]

No straight up reducing cooldowns team wide for stuff you will do regardless is incredible. Not everything benefits hugely but a heck of a lot does

It’s one of our best nodes without question

[vast yew]

Why do you have the Smite upgrades AND EP if you're never going to touch your Blitz

[upper sun]

these

[merry meteor]

ah, no - I meant I don't use inferno staff

[upper sun]

no reason to take them if you dont use smite

[vast yew]

Then why are you bringing the Inferno staff

[merry meteor]

I chose smite for that build because from the day 1 on psyker I was brain bursting and got sick of it

[dense wolf]

[merry meteor]

just wanted to try a bunch of new things

[vast yew]

If there's a piece of your kit you aren't using then swap it out to something useful

[zinc phoenix]

This is absolutely the most mental build discussion I have ever seen

“I max upgraded a skill I don’t use and took m1 staff buffs for inferno”

[vast yew]

No, no, apparently he uses the skill, it's the staff that he doesn't touch

[nocturne dust]

are they running inferno or trauma

I'm unclear

[vast yew]

Inferno, but you don't use Smite with either so

[vast yew]

Certainly one of the Psyker builds of all time

[cunning plinth]

sure, its still optimal, also building your character under the assumption that yout teammates are bad is not good, i fully get it, BUT, malific momentum maxed out permanently if you take assail is also very good, 25% damage bonus on top of DD and scriers and also being able to build max defensive since you can increase your peril easily without scriers up... idk. I might be wrong but it "feels" like its not THAT far off

[nocturne dust]

But yeah, both inferno and trauma replace smite entirely by doing mostly the same stagger and more damage

[zinc phoenix]

MM isn’t very good on staff because you’re mostly using the staff

And if you’re doing assail bubble warp charges that precludes dd

[cunning plinth]

oh this is about a build thats assail with staff? nvm then, i was thinking assail with melee and crack of bone and scriers

cycling back and forth just keeping the buff up and cycling peril outside of scriers

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, I just take assail and staff because I'm a filthy degenerate

Not because meta, screw the meta

[zinc phoenix]

I think it can work, but obviously trauma and inferno (which would pair awesome with assail) benefit more from left side

And EK

[nocturne dust]

they do, yeah

[zinc phoenix]

Only stick that it feels right for is voidstrike

[cunning plinth]

i mean i do that when i run surge, but mostly because i surge as ranged vs ogryns and assail vs stuff that isnt carapace, but thats just my little weird auric relaxed build, im not actually "serious" about that

[dusky bear]

this bad boy generates so much warp

[zinc phoenix]

Honestly wish voidstrike strayed further into “warp plasma” territory

Like how does armor stop a giant ball of evil mental juice

[cunning plinth]

buffed MM assail with or without scriers takes care of basically all elites that arent carapace in my experience and thats where i crutch with the surge rightclick, but thats like "just stab them in the head with a dueling sword 4head" territory of "not using dueling sword" cope

[nocturne dust]

Same way armor ignores soulblaze

[zinc phoenix]

What even is soulblaze

[nocturne dust]

Spiritual fire or something

[cunning plinth]

surge right click great vs carapace from range, unfortunatly it literally CANT do finesse damage because obese fish decided that brainburst headshots, but magic lightning doesnt (afaik)

[dusky bear]

i mean

[zinc phoenix]

Why do giant degenerate worms with a vore fetish have souls to blaze?

[dusky bear]

brainburst is from inside their skull so ofcourse it headshots

[nocturne dust]

Zealots use cleansing flame for the body, we use cleansing flame for the soul 🙏

[vast yew]

I feel like Assail might have a use with Electro staff

as it's not great at horde clear

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I hear they're mentally like puppies

[dusky bear]

technically as warp monstrosities, they are entirely made of soul

[nocturne dust]

and puppies have souls

[cunning plinth]

it PLAYS really well, its my favorite build. The problem is that the electro staff falls off if there are TOO many caracpace rushing you, as sliding backwards and stunning 2 guys constantly only takes you so far

[zinc phoenix]

That would be a thorough misunderstanding of the function of the staff

[vast yew]

See, that was my experience, but I see people here stay they love the Electro on Havoc and I'm wondering if I'm missing something.

[nocturne dust]

EK staff is best used as a fancy revolver to spam Perilous Combustion and Psykinetics Aura to then spam Creeping Flames

[cunning plinth]

elaborate, i think they synergize quite well as they are good into diffrent targets, unless you mean leftclick surge staff build, in which case, yeah, assail is redundant

[nocturne dust]

RMB spam

You kill elites

They spread soulblaze and reduce your cooldown for you to spread more soulblaze

soulblaze go bbbbbbrrrrrrrrrr

[vast yew]

Right, but if you run into gunner-spam on Havoc, you have neither bubble nor assail so I'm missing how you deal with that

[nocturne dust]

Every meta staff build is a soulblaze build

[vast yew]

BB them really slowly?

[cunning plinth]

it is very safe, it aimbots and keeps chaining while you break LoS, you can look at them, relase the lighning, turn 180 and slide away, and turn back and send another bolt of lightning before they exit the stun animation, and it basically ignores armor and opens up crushers

[nocturne dust]

Slide and use cover

[cunning plinth]

yell at your vet to stop sleeping

slide

and the balanced crit talent

electro staff has really high crit

[nocturne dust]

Also, EK does fall off in Havoc compared to Voidblast or Inferno

but it is the king of Auric

[cunning plinth]

like i said, eventually its too many dudes where stunning 2 just doesnt compare to "free ammo ogryn grenade gun" of voidblast

[vast yew]

This was my thinking but there's some people in this channel who were claiming Electro was the best staff on Havoc, hence my confusion

[nocturne dust]

Don't know who those people are, sound like randos

[cunning plinth]

surge does "kinda" the same as voidblast except surge is (to me) more fun to use and much more mobile BUT, also just not as good as voidblast

[vast yew]

Voidblast does get a bit boring after a while

[cunning plinth]

psyker on high havoc, unless somebody cooked something wild, does 1) bubble, 2) cdr, 3) scoreboard aurafarming by there being a billion enemies now that all have enough health for your soulblaze dots to really start popping off

[nocturne dust]

I mean, Ogryn is cracked enough to beat Psyker even in high havoc unless you're really cranking on the damage

[cunning plinth]

yeah, well, everbody is gonna get buffed up to ogryn/arbites quality eventually, its going to take a few years tho 😄

[nocturne dust]

Dunno about that, and it sounds like yet more power creep

[cunning plinth]

for an easy havoc build, have you considered going policeman and pressing your left mousebutton at roughly head hight and press your ult occasionally

[cunning plinth]

its typically how fatshark does things, they just add a new enemy faction thats harder or, idk, havoc 60

they rarely nerf things that are good compared to buffing or reworking things that are bad

[hearty wolf]

Meta is 4 players playing the game

But we've only had THREE

😭

[nocturne dust]

That reminds me, I should sleep

[cunning plinth]

gn

[hearty wolf]

Gn

[nocturne dust]

I'll be available one day, trust 🙏

[patent steeple]

btw, which FGS mk would be better for gunker/meleeker? I myself am very used to mk6...

[vast yew]

Whichever one you like more

[hearty wolf]

Surely

[patent steeple]

oh yeah, I forgot that they are (mostly) very similar...

[vast yew]

They basically perform the same, though the combos are different

MK6 you have to remember to heavy during your light chain vs. hordes, MK8 you have to weave Push-Attacks in get the stab to kill elites

So it's mostly personal preference

[patent steeple]

I like the mk6 just because its easier for me to dodge and get the stab at the same time (heavy spam is easier than the big push into heavy...)

[vast yew]

Yeah that's the upside of it, with the downside that the stab doesn't hit as hard and you have the more complicated horde clear combos

Where you do 3 lights (4 lights on draw) -> heavy loop instead of just spamming left click with the mk8

I've seen a lot of flip-flopping as to which one is best

[plucky flax]

I like surge in havoc

[hearty wolf]

You also like bleed abuse

[plucky flax]

Its op

[vast yew]

Electro is usable in Havoc, sure, I was just confused as to how some people were saying it was top tier in H40

[analog agate]

The good thing about EK is no ammo. Which is great.

It isn’t top tier just because of the beefiness of dudes

[vast yew]

Also because it seems to mostly synergize with Creeping Flames, and on Havoc you really want Bubble

[plucky flax]

Its like a better vet for killing special

[vast yew]

Though if you already have a Bubble Psyker then I can see it, though Rending Trauma probably better in that case

[plucky flax]

Ppl used to playing with no bubble now cos of arby

So you don't need to bring bubble

[zinc phoenix]

Me, seconds before my entire team gets netted during a boss fight

[analog agate]

Poor vet

[sturdy dagger]

what blessings do yall run on blaze force greatsword? im seeing super inconsistent combos

[vast yew]

Vet still has Gold Toughness going for it

So that's nice at least

[plucky flax]

I run shred unstable

[vast yew]

Wrath and whatever

[sturdy dagger]

wrath

[vast yew]

Unstable, Shred, Riposte, Momentum are all good second options.

Depends on what you want it to do

[sturdy dagger]

kinda looking for a mmore general use one while i level its mastery

[vast yew]

If you're running it with Gaze or Assail then I'd go Unstable

[hearty wolf]

It literally doesn't matter. Usually you just take one cleave blessing and one damage blessing and game

[vast yew]

if you feel like you're killing things good enough and just want a safe weapon, Momentum, if you feel like you need more killing power then Shred/Riposte

I personally run Wrath + Unstable

[hearty wolf]

I think that's what I run too. Unless it was shred wrath

[vast yew]

I had Shred Wrath but switched to Unstable because I'm usually at high perils on my Gunker build thanks to Assail

and if I'm not at high perils I can get there fast with the special attack

So it ended up working out slightly better

[jovial juniper]

Unstable Precognition

[vast yew]

Really as long as you stay away from Warp Slice, Blazing Spirit, and Murderous Tranquility you're probably fine. I also personally wouldn't run Deflector as that's probably better on a regular Force Sword.

[zinc phoenix]

You don’t need wrath on the mk6

[merry meteor]

what other staff can be used with any of those builds, beside inferno? I don't want to use inferno, as I'm planning to keep smite

or it does't work without inferno?

[zinc phoenix]

The whole point of the mk6 in a right side build with PC is hunting things that give PC pops

[upper sun]

nothing works with smite

[zinc phoenix]

And using your wave to horde clear

[upper sun]

you can just take another staff

inferno really needs BB or assail

if you dont use a blitz you can just pick BB and take kinetif flayer and not use it

[merry meteor]

that's why I don't want it 🙂 I'm sick of BB, and I've tried assail, didn't like how it feels

[upper sun]

yeah thats fine

[zinc phoenix]

Smite doesn’t add a lot of value anywhere. Fire stick kills stuff before it matters, trauma juggles everything. EK can use it but it’s eh because again you want those PC pops and shrieks. Void can probably use it but honestly void is a solid right side stick

[vast yew]

Probably something like Voidstrike then, you can take Smite with Voidstrike, just be aware that you shouldn't really use it much (it wastes time)

[merry meteor]

look, it's not about being meta or achieve max damage, it's about trying new things and have fun in heresy/damantion, it just needs to be good and fun to play

[upper sun]

personally i still take BB with voidblast for KF but i rarely use it

its good value

[zinc phoenix]

If you want to just have fun don’t ask what’s good

Do whatever you want

It doesn’t matter in heresy anyway

[merry meteor]

I'm convinced there is a middle ground between two, I'm not a perfectionist 🙂

[vast yew]

I mean Voidblast doesn't really need any Blitz, but BB lets you kill things far away from behind cover so it's probably the best overall choice

[upper sun]

yeah

and KF really helps PC chains get going

[zinc phoenix]

The only way smite becomes good is if you use it in a way that makes the game boring and yourself a worse player. Otherwise it is a wasted slot

[vast yew]

My advice is find a staff that's fun first; most of the Blitz options are there to complement your staff, not the other way around, so you should be using your staff first and foremost

You don't really use your blitz very often if everything is going smoothly (except Assail, but that's different)

even on builds where you take BB you don't actually use BB very often

(on Heresy/Damnation)

BB is taken mostly because A: it leads to Psykinetic's Aura/Wildfire, B: Kinetic Flayer is awesome, and C: it can snipe specials/elites at range

And you usually don't need C that often, and when you do most staves can do it faster with LMB clicks, so you only really bring out BB if you need to duck into cover or if you've got the Inferno staff

[merry meteor]

I'm not a good player in the first place lol, that's why I have the Shield in my build too, it's my deal with the squad, I'm giving you a cosy place to hide from ranged fire, and you allow me to do my fun thing

[vast yew]

I mean shield is meta, so you being a bad player doesn't really matter for that lol

The bigger issue is Smite, especially at low levels. Smite has a place at higher levels because you can stun 10 Crushers with it at once, but even then it's somewhat controversial. At lower difficulties Smite is just really slow. Better to take the Electro Staff instead. If you have problems with hordes then pick up a MK8 FGS or Illisi and just spam left clicks

Take BB + Kinetic Flayer and just never touch the actual button

Should work fine in Heresy

[merry meteor]

In my self-made build I used from day 1 I used BB to destroy armored targets (like crushers or maulers), dogs and specialists, the mutants sometimes (when I was not pressed and cared to conserve ammo). And its passive that procs every 10 seconds helped too, with recon lasgun of the shredder you just "spray and pray" on a blob and it's 100% guaranteed to proc in a few seconds. And ofc bosses too, unless they were obliterated by some build specialized on boss killing who happen to land on the squad.
For weapons I used shredder autopistol mainly which is insanely fun and good, and destroyed everything without armor in an instant. And force greatsword to dispose chaff

but I've played this build for dozens of hours, and got sick of all those things

[vast yew]

My advice remains to find a staff you like using, because using a gun to clear hordes isn't going to work as you move up in difficulties. You run into ammo issues as the number of enemies goes up and the number of ammo spawns goes down.

You can run guns with Psyker, but they become more for killing Elites/Specials/Bosses

Horde clear is usually via your staff, Assail, melee, or Creeping Flames.

[sturdy dagger]

voidblast dump stat? warp resist or queel speed?

[gray juniper]

Flak, unyielding and maniac are really king as damage perks in this game it seems

[jovial juniper]

Warp

[vast yew]

Yep, with Carapace occasionally popping up if you really need to kill Crushers and Maulers

[gray juniper]

But tho things is it’s fairly easy to body shot maulers as they are and they still go down fast. That’s leaves the problem every other class has, bulwarks and crushers

[ripe obsidian]

What a world Psykers live in where the most-used blitz in high havoc is the one you don't have to use manually

[gray juniper]

Really need voidblast as a default to stagger or kill these guys

[plucky flax]

First time I hear dbk in game.

[ripe obsidian]

Dbk?

[plucky flax]

Apparently it'll be me.

[ripe obsidian]

Is that a thing?

[plucky flax]

No.

This guy just making things up.

But I like hitting boss so I put my hand up.

[ripe obsidian]

Goofy.

[glacial vapor]

Some people seem to like that role in Havoc

(Thammer Mains)

[vast yew]

I thought it meant the guy with the build for killing bosses, not the guy who's going to put their hand up and volunteer

[plucky flax]

Oh...

I am not changing my build.

[hearty wolf]

POs only have 102k hp? That's nothing lmao

[ripe obsidian]

My experience with bosses in Havoc is that I bonk them if I am psyker and there's no horde for me to burn, or if I am anyone else.

[plucky flax]

I did the most boss damage anyway.

[ripe obsidian]

Arbitrator?

That looks like an Arbitrator with boss nodes scoreboard.

[plucky flax]

It was 4 arbies game.

[vast yew]

I'm too lazy to properly configure Ovenproof

[ripe obsidian]

Ah, so the police chief on patrol with rookie cops

[sturdy dagger]

i will never understand the voidblast staff it always just feels awful 2 use

[plucky flax]

We didn't make it though we lost.

It was very sad.

[ripe obsidian]

You let the rookies die

[vast yew]

It can stagger everything

(okay not bosses)

[plucky flax]

We had a dogless shockmine player but ehh.. there was barely any shockmine deployed.

[ripe obsidian]

Now you have to write letters to their families explaining your failure to keep them alive.

[vast yew]

Would you mind sending me your config for Ovenproof

[plucky flax]

They were okay just unfortunate with ritual spawn behind door.

Look up from:syllogism has:file.

He posted it.

I'm using his patch.

[ripe obsidian]

If you have full grenades on a regenerating grenade build, you are probably doing something wrong, imo

If you're at 3/3 grenades, you should use one

[plucky flax]

My dog bomb was OP. 287k bleed

[ripe obsidian]

Especially a shock mine that's always good

Dogbomb is pretty silly.

I have to play dogless to get the grenade penances. This saddens me

[vast yew]

Is it this one? #psyker-class message

[plucky flax]

When they fixed the dog bleed to become real bleed and not void bleed.

Gon be eating good.

[ripe obsidian]

Dog will do more damage than you

[plucky flax]

I'll just send you this. Paste the proper folder structure into your mods folder.

[ripe obsidian]

Your build is something like this, yes?

[plucky flax]

Yeah close but a bit different up top.

[vestal trench]

dogbomb highkey just the new ogrynheimer

[plucky flax]

I take the attack speed talent rather than 10% toughness after elite/special kill.

[vestal trench]

but for players with yasuo syndrome

[ripe obsidian]

I don't recall precisely. I looked at it when we played together a few days ago

[vast yew]

thank you brother

[merry meteor]

How are you supposed to use Scrier's Gaze? As it rapidly increases Peril, it's just not compatible with any warp-based attacks or blitzes, as it ends very fast then. So just a weapon-based build that constantly triggers its combat ability (it has low CD plus some talents and perks in Curioses will make it even lower I guess)?

[plucky flax]

You can use by crack of bones to extend it forever.

But you have to use melee weapon.

[ripe obsidian]

Aye. Mine's a bit different

[vast yew]

Crack of Bones + FGS or to use it as a short-term mega buff to gun damage.
There's also a few crazies who use it with VoidStrike but they scare me

[gray juniper]

Idk do you think that’s accurate or no?

[marble crater]

Most popular use is in a gunker/meleeker build

[ripe obsidian]

I think my EO build is something like this. Not on my PC to check atm

[scenic quartz]

most wholesome arbites - psyker interaction

(psykers dead tho)

[vestal trench]

omg, which personality?

[merry meteor]

@plucky flax @vast yew I've tried it with Crack of Bones in simulation, but it was not possible to extend it past a short period of time with amount of targets present there by default. Iike, I tried to slash the chaffers there with SG active, and after some time Peril just grows so fast you can't really keep it at bay by killing stuff - and that's when you don't use any warp abilities that increase Peril on itself

[scenic quartz]

female authoriarian. dead psyker was male savant

[vestal trench]

you quell more in the actual game bc simulation horde density is tiny

[vestal trench]

thanks, def changing from maul to authoritarian

[ripe obsidian]

If you're getting melee headshots, By Crack of Bone will extend Scrier's Gaze by double, at least

[vestal trench]

iirc authoritarian's also the one thats open to letting the ogryn have the dog if he croaks LOL

[modest perch]

yea or if youre using recon las you can keep it going for a while

but scriers isnt supposed to be permanently on

[merry meteor]

so only useful in waves then?

[hearty wolf]

I know it's accurate since I have a mod to see their hp, it's just.

Seeing it compared to the others. It's the most HP and it's not even that much tbh. 100k hp is 25k for 4 people. Dishing out 25k damage is pretty damn each imo.

[ripe obsidian]

BCoB is melee-only. Tranquility through Slaughter is ranged crits

[vestal trench]

nah, even the base duration unextended helps tons when fucking up a boss

assuming recon las/infantry auto/heavy laspistol

[modest perch]

yea i was trying to think of the name

[vestal trench]

scriee buffs paired with dd stacks are nutty

i am not skilled enough to not die in auric on gunker but it's fun

[ripe obsidian]

Monsters in Darktide don't quite compare to them in VT2

VT2 monsters were spookier

Or maybe I was worse at the game

[vestal trench]

...speaking of, is the dd stack buff indicator bugged? i notice it only shows up later in the mission for me

and just jumps to like 8 or 9 stacks from 0

[modest perch]

the whole buff bar is bugged

[vestal trench]

oh fr??? jesus

i was worried i wasnt keeping stacks up well until i noticed last night

[modest perch]

yea i believe theres not enough space to show every status effect. like my hh stacks are missing half the time but i know theyre there

[vestal trench]

good to know

[waxen ember]

whats the dump stat for the voidblast staff?

[loud girder]

cause every mf has a "BOSS DLETER 9000" weapon to instantly curb stomp the bosses

[vestal trench]

warp res

[waxen ember]

Alright, cheers

[vestal trench]

dump stat for every staff in pins too if u curious

(it's WR for everything except voidstrike LOL)

[gray juniper]

When in game with a big ass horde you’ll understand. Oftentimes the peril number is sitting around 1-3% constantly. Cleave into horde several time, quick assail kill on anything for perk activation on damage, switch to gun and put some kills in on gunners for perk activation on speed, melee horde again to keep number low, shoot at boss to help put damage on, cleave horde, knife fight with crusher if you have time, cleave a lot of horde if peril gets too high, repeat
After so long the peril climb becomes exponential and you just can’t stop it

[crisp lily]

Quite... Perilous

[merry meteor]

thanks, gotcha

[gray juniper]

Easy on paper until everyone doesn’t understand their assignment. Lost a havoc 22 two days ago because too much boss captain focus while specialists overran everyone

[merry meteor]

That's technology for ya, humanity came a long way 😄 A specialized tool for everything

[crisp lily]

I wish I could try staffs beforehand

[hearty wolf]

I felt like they were more engaging

Unless of course you used Shade

[crisp lily]

Seeing a psyker fry a horde with electric looked pretty good

[marble crater]

Beforehand what?

[crisp lily]

Entering a mission

[hearty wolf]

XD that's painful.

Sometimes you've just got to do the unoptimal job if your team insist on doing things wrong

[marble crater]

There is this thing called the meat grinder

[gray juniper]

Please do. 95% of arby players seem to be maul

[marble crater]

Me, I'm the 95%

[vestal trench]

i thought maul would be funnier in a ridiculous kinda way but it just turned out being edge most times

[gray juniper]

I was trying. I was the last one standing then double teamed quickly by captain champions

[vestal trench]

i was lookin at fatalist but the ogryn interaction made me look into auth

[gray juniper]

Yes. The funniest thing maul is capable of is reciting edict code at all times when it’s absurd

[vestal trench]

yea, isnt like loner psyker where it's edgy but funny in how much of a shitstirrer they are

my zealot's also agitator so theres a trend LOL

[gray juniper]

Fatalist is more even keel so not as entertaining, but I didn’t want a voice that sounded like his veins are bursting from his forehead

Fatalist debates with the arbitrators more than others

[marble crater]

I picked Maul because it's the voice from Alt Cunningham in Cyberpunk

[gray juniper]

Authoritarian is probably the friendliest arbitrator

[gray juniper]

Man god bless you for that. I saw the game shots and saw the price over time and never wanted to buy it

And believe me I was actually excited at first about that game

[vestal trench]

oh fr? didnt even notice

[marble crater]

In case you didn't know, the game is fixed now and very worth to play now

[vestal trench]

fem fatalist reminded me of laezel despite laezel being authoritarian

[vestal trench]

can vouch, the entire overhaul that came with phantom liberty was great

[gray juniper]

Nah it’s been too long and I lost interest lmao

[marble crater]

That's crazy

[vestal trench]

phantom liberty's one of my favorite stories to have played ngl

[gray juniper]

The price is still stupid high for something that was bugged or fucked up from the start. Big disappointment for that company of all companies

[marble crater]

One of the best RPGs out there now that it's fixed

It's no longer bugged and fucked up

[gray juniper]

You’re talking to an old guy that’s very greedy with his wallet and started to develop those frugal middle age traits

Idk maybe I’ll do it

[marble crater]

Smh

[vestal trench]

i got it on sale

like 30 bucks?

im ngl

[marble crater]

Same, with the DLC

[vestal trench]

i 🏴‍☠️ at first but liked it so much i bought it legit

[gray juniper]

Yea I’m get it if I see that. I don’t buy a single game that’s not on sale

[earnest cobalt]

blaze force greatsword is great

brain rupture seems good now

[marble crater]

I should have bought it at release for 10 bucks when it was unplayable

[gray juniper]

Game passes are monumentally worth it. I try a lot and drop it

[marble crater]

Cyberpunk is also still getting content updates for free, next one soon

[gray juniper]

It is single player only right?

[marble crater]

Yes

[upper sun]

bro is dogmaxxing

[upper sun]

does it?

i havent seen anything since 2.1

[vestal trench]

yup

[marble crater]

2.3 soon, it was delayed

[vestal trench]

it's funny cause they were like "ok no more updates"

announces 2.3

[upper sun]

yeah that i remember

i hate that fucking update so much

my keybindes were fucked

[gray juniper]

Ngl I’ll probably get robocop before cyberpunk. The nostalgia is beating my ass

[upper sun]

nah cyberpunk is really good

[vestal trench]

yea cpdr updates can be jank sometimes

i stopped modding my game bc i'd have to redo everything after patch

[upper sun]

nothing bad happened i had to save and load once because my phone glitched

but 2.1 was perfect

[gray juniper]

Why do you guys play Darktide?

[upper sun]

2.2 is mid

[upper sun]

autism and adhd

[vestal trench]

they still havent fixed the bug for calling the car

annoyingly

[vestal trench]

loved vermintide, love 40k, satisfying combat

[hearty wolf]

Because clutching feels good

Unless it's exhausting

[gray juniper]

The later game update experience as a new player was good for me

[marble crater]

It was free on Gamepass and I got addicted

[gray juniper]

Yea same on that too

[vestal trench]

me not knowing how to clutch

[upper sun]

play ogryn

[gray juniper]

It was recommended by this old guy who’s a big gamer who told me to try it

[upper sun]

it clutches for free

[vestal trench]

im having too much fun on psyker rn

i get what u mean tho

that one heresy game i had with seventeen deaths was clutched by playing ogryn LMAO

[gray juniper]

Later update game experience as a new player was pretty good

You have the crafting mechanic and UI that makes it feel like this weird marriage of alchemy and technology like something you’d expect in 40k, the scenery is legitimately nightmarish which is what you’d want

You get to play as a common everyman type for once

[gray juniper]

Ain’t no way people died this much on heresy

[plucky flax]

Get dogged.

[gray juniper]

What happened here?

[young cliff]

Is normal that the dog now is making rivers of blood? The jumps make tons of enemies bleed now, not just the pounced target

[plucky flax]

Yes.

But that's void bleed.

[gray juniper]

Auric maelstrom is either a beast now or too many are punching above their weight. Like every game two people are dead all the time

[plucky flax]

H40 ready lobby

[vestal trench]

each psyker had 7 deaths, zealot had two, one of which was due to being low health and getting barreled by one of the psykers, also not taking medicaes but i didnt get confirmation on whether they were running martyrdom or not, then i died last finally getting overwhelmed after putting in the last battery

i told them to just leave and go to the elevator but they didnt

[marble crater]

Invite UnsanctionedPsyker, he will carry

[vestal trench]

thankfully the zealot just went to the elevator

[young cliff]

Void bleed? What that means?

[vestal trench]

again, this was all in heresy

[gray juniper]

Imagine taking an L if no one listened after all that

[vestal trench]

i'd have uninstalled probably LMAO

like they did manage to rescue me and get out but that was an unnecessary risk

[marble crater]

Heresy is the worst, because you have all the people too bad for damnation who think they are great

[earnest cobalt]

what exactly is electrokinetic force staff for?

[vestal trench]

damnation feels the worst now

after auric just became a difficulty

[gray juniper]

Hi someone told me a “havoc 40” is going on here and that sounded like a swell time!

[vestal trench]

every toxic arbiter with a mouth on em has been in damnation for me

[marble crater]

Fun and killing single targets very well

[vestal trench]

.......coincidentally every single toxic person ive run into since playing the game again was also arbiter

[earnest cobalt]

hm

[vestal trench]

literally picked it back up in may, no toxicity

arbiter's overtuned ass comes in and all the main character syndrome homies start yappin up

[marble crater]

Use staff on elites and specials, shriek, use staff more, shriek more because of warp charges, everything is dead

[young cliff]

The Lex does not support how broken the class feels to pilot

[gray juniper]

I really feel like the higher difficulties are worse now also. You have a slew of people competing to be the front liner on a straight line route while the flanks are ignored constantly

[earnest cobalt]

it feels weak to kill elites and specials tho

like I need multiple charges

[marble crater]

Sounds like my last auric game where 3 people had no business being in

[vestal trench]

what rating is the staff/level is your psyker?

[earnest cobalt]

and peril tradeoff doesn't seem worth it

[earnest cobalt]

120

on heresy

my psyker is lvl 12

[marble crater]

Ah, low level staves are awful

[vestal trench]

i honestly dont think arbites is as egregious as ogryn, but i still would rather they get nerfed first so the toxic ass mfs cry

[earnest cobalt]

but on heresy tho?

not that high

[vestal trench]

same way the pissbabies reviewbombed the game when power sword got nerfed early on

[marble crater]

We will have this conversation again when you are max level. Just play a gun, assail and melee while you level

[vestal trench]

doesnt change a thing, staffs kinda bad until maxed + psyker maxed

[marble crater]

Yes, staves without stats are bad and sad to play

[earnest cobalt]

I don't want to play a normal gun when there are staff

I can play gun on other characters already

[analog kraken]

how do you even play auric now? i don't seem to find it

[vestal trench]

assail makes it feel different enough

also gaze my beloved

[marble crater]

Your choices are gun or staves that are bad and feel bad, because they have no stats and no build to support them

[vestal trench]

it's a difficulty after damnation now

[marble crater]

It's only for leveling

[gray juniper]

Arbitrator x3 and a zealot. Guess who went down multiple times lol

[analog kraken]

ah lol, i just maxed out my zealot and can't seem to find it

[young cliff]

The alternative is to buff the other classes and idk if I want to use a buffed Psyker of all things, so I hope ObeseFish makes good adjustments

[vestal trench]

oh huh

[marble crater]

Hopefully not too arbies

[analog kraken]

do i have to do anything special for it?

[earnest cobalt]

hm

[vestal trench]

maybe you need to unlock it?

yeah they changed difficulty unlocks with the arby update

[analog kraken]

sounds like me cuz I'm skill issued af still with knife zealot lol

[vestal trench]

complete x amount of games in current difficulty to get into next difficulty

[analog kraken]

oh ok

ig i haven't played enough damnation

[vestal trench]

a bit of a grind

[analog kraken]

thanks

yeah makes sense lol

[vestal trench]

ideally they wouldnt have made it so long but it is what it is

[analog kraken]

idm much i just play to chill anyway I'm too ass at the game

[vestal trench]

yeah i feel like buffing psyker rn would be a fast route to overnerfing psyker shortly after

like i get everyone talking about it being very squishy but its output is nuts when piloted well

wouldnt want that taken away

i like hard to learn but rewarding characters

[analog kraken]

did they nerf any of the other classes btw or are arbiters just too op

[vestal trench]

it's why i played asuka for the short while i played ggst 😭

[marble crater]

Trust me, forget about staves for now and play them once you are higher level

[vestal trench]

arbiters are a lil overtuned yeah

not as much as ogryn but

it's noticeable

[gray juniper]

Nah it’s ok. You seem them getting humbled regularly now in mixed class matches. That one man wrecking crew act is getting worn out as I see more and more people let them run off alone and go down

[vestal trench]

to the point im starting to get annoyed by them bc their population tends to be more toxic than other classes

[earnest cobalt]

[young cliff]

Arby is not as op as ogryn but feels like it

[earnest cobalt]

time to find what gun is suited for this

[analog kraken]

it seems like arbiter is easier to play too tho, ogryns i can find ogrnys playing like ass

[vestal trench]

still cant believe the arbiter last night had the audacity to go "yall are so heavy" @ me and my friends...while being eaten by a beast of nurgle

[swift prawn]

what are the blessings and perks for blaze force sword (1h not 2h)

[analog kraken]

arbiters not that many even tho every match is me as a zealot and 3 arbiters lol

[gray juniper]

Canonically ogryn should be relatively tanking no matter what or there’s little point to the character

[vestal trench]

uncanny deflector... u can replace deflector with something but i forget which

[analog kraken]

ofc

[young cliff]

Arby even has build in auto killing in the dogo

[plucky flax]

I tried but we failed. Not h40 ready team after all.

[marble crater]

Sad

[swift prawn]

nice, nothing changed then 😄 maniacs+carapace? mk4?

[plucky flax]

Was left clutching with just too many shooters+ horde + boss.

[young cliff]

Next time will be the one

[marble crater]

If you keep trying and getting better you will win h40 on day

[plucky flax]

I ned mr unsanctioned to start carrying.

[vestal trench]

i forgor 💀 cant check my game rn

[gray juniper]

That’s ironic. I saw that happen too. I joined a game and this guy was trying to block the nurgle swallow

[vestal trench]

technically working

[analog kraken]

i gotta start playing havoc i haven't done much ☠️

[vestal trench]

it was also the inferno modifier so like...ofc it's harder

everyone was careless and fucking up the barrels but apparently he's exempt bc arbiter

[analog kraken]

fucking inferno event tho not being able to see shit is rough

and yeah those barrels lmao

[vestal trench]

like the whole run past shit and get chip damage bc im arbiter while the rest cant afford to do that shit is getting old

im fr gonna barrel an arbitrator one of these days

fuck the lex ass crashout

[analog kraken]

i be barreling everyone but not intentionally tbh and i constantly get barreled too so idm

[vestal trench]

mood

[analog kraken]

nothing like flying away

deadass had that happen multiple times already lol

[vestal trench]

it's always funny so i dont really mind

[plucky flax]

The dogs bleed from pounce currently is not registered to anyone. So it's just there and stay unbuffed. Kills from said bleed dont proc any on kill talents. It doesn't even show up on killfeed

[gray juniper]

Some guy was doing that on silo cluster during the winding stairs portion and five people quit at different times. It seemed like he was aiming for every barrel. Carrying the spearhead boltgun also

[plucky flax]

Bleed from the void.

Its just 40k dog magic

[young cliff]

Dogo magic that seems scary
Does it even appear in stuff like Power DI?

[plucky flax]

Nope

[young cliff]

Ok so Arby really outguns me on damage on me Psyker

Need to train more

[plucky flax]

If you play psyker in h40 should still get top damage

[young cliff]

I'm still growing on H25-30

[vestal trench]

i wish tac axe could work on a non DD/gaze build

would love to pair it with EK

[plucky flax]

[vestal trench]

also do havoc attempts replenish after a week or do they just stay there until you rank up/down to refresh?

[plucky flax]

There's fake AM-O running around now too.

[marble crater]

Bye

[plucky flax]

First it's Unsanctioned now It's AM-O.

Hopefully this Unsanctioned guy can carry this round.

[young cliff]

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-winning-son-meme-son-gif-1432509823038791530

[hearty wolf]

Since you only win, it's not relevant

[vestal trench]

lies

[gray juniper]

But they don’t realize they need that unshackled power

[gray juniper]

Idk exactly how it works but don’t go too long without playing around your level peak. I left it for weeks and my degraded to like havoc 4

[gray juniper]

No actually it was zealot chick absolutely carrying while i completed the tasks to move the trains. The two guys made Arby’s look bad

That’s the moral of this story. Arby is really for experienced players

[vestal trench]

im 50/50 on whether i actually wanna havoc consistently, havent touched it since Sin dragged me into it 😂

maybe i'll try and get used to auric maelstrom first

ive never succeeded a clutch 😩

[gray juniper]

After you do a lot of auric you’ll want more novel things thrown at you

[vestal trench]

meanwhile my friend who get hella into the game on arbiter is straight up just skipping auric and only doing havoc LOL

[gray juniper]

Auric maelstrom now has more modifiers so it’s more entertaining

[gray juniper]

Please correct his path

Dude is going to skate through level 10s then cost someone a strike past 20

[vestal trench]

i try, she probs wont listen. likes to hyperfixate on seeing how far she can get on ranked things

[gray juniper]

Smh

[vestal trench]

all the power to her tbh she gets good eventually by sheer repetition

[flat nexus]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxAXTGCtek5sB478IPCZJg9AvuiLzBZEOx?si=8kUrumJMRobctw4I soyker at home

[vestal trench]

i do not have the mental for that LOL

https://youtu.be/ZCu7QX473dQ also watchin this

and

[hearty wolf]

It's a vibes based game

[vestal trench]

insane

im wondering what co-op/horde game actually has a really good endgame difficulty thing now

off top of my head i'd say DSOD on payday 2 but even that had its issues

[cunning plinth]

btw,.idk if thats a known issue. does anybody have a problem with the peril FX mod not loading?

my least fav part about correctly playing psyker is the ear assault

[hearty wolf]

DSOD is too hard to compare because Payday really fluctuated through metas

[vestal trench]

yeah i wasnt there for the early payaday

when i came in hacker was the latest deck

meta was more or less stoic, hacker, and kingpin

oh and anarchist!

[hearty wolf]

Oh wow you were big baby

[vestal trench]

yupppp

[hearty wolf]

Yeah anarchist was broken for forever basically

[vestal trench]

then they released leech which was even stronger

[hearty wolf]

There was a time that Overkill was actually

like

Difficult

[vestal trench]

wait actually now that i think abt it pd2 def had its own version of the ogryn rumbler build 💀

u used bullet storm plus the multishot rocket launcher from the scarface dlc and just went ham

[hearty wolf]

The solution was the Mosconi since it would cross map everything and was ammo positive

[vestal trench]

mosconi was meta? holy shit

[hearty wolf]

yeah bullet storm in general had quite a lot of bullshit

Yeah it was hilariously broken

What others things would you not be around for

Uhhh

Oh yeah

The levelling

before infamy

Getting to 100 took fucking FOREVER

What people ended up doing was doing Rats day 3

[vestal trench]

the meth loop?

[hearty wolf]

and when you completed the day, it gave you exp

Then you could restart the day