psyker-class

[potent echo]

Or did that get banned already

Or did they fix disconnecting while downed

[marble crater]

Maybe Agent, I hear he uses all the cheat mods

[potent echo]

[plucky flax]

I haven't got latest loading skip cheat

Will soon later today pog

Especially with so much dc these days that'll be op

[quartz barn]

This but similar to the floating holy sword prayer from salt and sanctuary

Not really warp like tho

[potent echo]

Does anyone understand this example

I played SnS once and I didn't use magic

[celest valve]

touch assail movement and I will stab you

[sage canyon]

they exist

i thought they were a meme

[potent echo]

Tiny

[limpid lily]

damn did they increase the force push range on force swords and force great sword???

[wraith sphinx]

we are not a meme...

that's a cool fit

[limpid lily]

the range is crazy, the same on force sword

wow

not sure if this is intended or nor, unless they did sth, you'd have to get right up to their face to knock them down with force push, no?

[plucky flax]

@summer prairie I'm free after lunch (maybe in an hour) for some havoc gayming

[summer prairie]

good

[pine shore]

No way that's intended

[limpid lily]

yeah lol

[potent echo]

It's been that way for awhile

On all force swords

Intentional buff

Why? 🤷‍♂️

[marble crater]

Smallker

[plucky flax]

This also works on ogryn enemies not only big monsters.

[glacial vapor]

That's insanely strong

[potent echo]

Oh real? Crushers too?

[plucky flax]

Yeah at least in meatgrinder.

[potent echo]

[plucky flax]

0 stacks headshot on crusher is 702 damage.
At 30 stacks it's 852 damage lol

No buffs

[marble crater]

Just from reading without testing, I like the left keystone the most I think

[glacial vapor]

That's not quite 30% 🤔

[potent echo]

Angry disagreeing noises

[weary crane]

I haven't tested out the dclaw yet, is there a significant difference?

[potent echo]

It does reward aggressive playstyle

[plucky flax]

I heard dclaw is super safe now.

Spam special and you can't get hit.

[marble crater]

Maybe because it's carapace instead of unyielding? @plucky flax can you test against a reaper?

(shouldn't matter, but you never know)

[plucky flax]

896 -> 904 from 0 to 1 stack

On reaper

Reaper is ogryn so it should work.

[potent echo]

For maximum science, test each hitzone on reaper (flak,cara,unyielding)

No one is gonna do this

[plucky flax]

I can confirm it doesn't work on mauler.

No damage increase with more stacks.

[marble crater]

Maybe the description is just missing the ogryn part?

[potent echo]

It's entirely possible

[glacial vapor]

It seems closer and there could be some rounding errors with such a low damage number. I guess it's just how cara/unyielding damage works

[potent echo]

This update they also added a new flag for "ranged enemies"

Which includes snipers and flamers

They might have added new flag for adamant_monstrosity

Also correct me if I'm wrong but there was no blessing/talent/perk that only affects monstrosity damage directly?

[marble crater]

Don't think so

[potent echo]

Also adamant is the dev name for the arbites class I think, based on the icon names from buff HUD mod

[summer prairie]

Pretty sure by now that dog is better dps than lone wolf, at least if you do't run impact nades. Might depend on your weapon though

[vestal hinge]

is it supposed to be 50% or just 50 of it's health

[marble crater]

Does it count as a solo/duo if one/two players do something, but they are using the dogs?

[marble crater]

50%

Jan Scientist would have known this, of course you wouldn't know because all you think about it Lena

[vestal hinge]

no way

[marble crater]

Yes way

[vestal hinge]

well at least i'm more likely to complete this penance than cliffhanger

stuck at 6/7 for like

allmost 2 years?

lmao

[marble crater]

It used to be 90% and before that 100%

[vestal hinge]

nah 100%?

thats insane

[plucky flax]

I did it at 100%. 🙂

[strong gulch]

Cliffhanger used to be 27

[plucky flax]

I did that. 🙂

[strong gulch]

Same

[summer prairie]

Pretty sure it wasn't higher than 90% ever

ok maybe it was

for like a month

[strong gulch]

I remember it being lowered to 90.

[summer prairie]

I think it was 99% though even though it said "all damage"

It originally definitely said all damage and then in dec 2022 it was already down to "90%" in the text

[marble crater]

Anyway @vestal hingethere are Cliffhanger tips in the pins, I suggest the video with smite, that's how I did it and was super chill and easy. Just play the mission, hope you get a horde there and smite, if no horde just finish the mission. None of this trying to push enemies at weird spots during the mission nonsense

[strong gulch]

Remember that smite pushes enemies in the direction that you're looking.

If you try shriek, the push scales with peril.

[marble crater]

Teach me more secret smite tech

I will use it in my next mission

[strong gulch]

You can just use heavies on a bulwark with FGS and charged strikes.

Charged strikes procs enfeeble

Totally op

Not /s at all

[marble crater]

I don't think I have ever used or even selected the charged strike talent

[strong gulch]

Yes /s

[strong gulch]

It bad

[marble crater]

I'm bad too, so should be fine then

[strong gulch]

Remember when I was choosing all of the smite upgrades but not taking EP? That's what I was doing.

Poptart outfit time

[marble crater]

[ornate hamlet]

i miss old assail

[vernal temple]

I gotta admit, this drip is absolutely wild, plus it goes well with my staff

[marble crater]

Twin

[vernal temple]

[marble crater]

Fatshark knows that we are all big suckers for capes and coats

[upper sun]

its not as hard as you might think build something like this

take a blue or if you didnt fine any red then plop down 2 walls and swap to blitz then hold m1

youll do 70% of the damage in like 7 seconds

[summer prairie]

@plucky flax doing more?

[plucky flax]

Ye just update mod.

My tiny scoreboard is too sus.

[summer prairie]

got an error with the new update, didn't with the old

[plucky flax]

Wtf

[summer prairie]

did you get an error

oh I got the wrong plugin update

[plucky flax]

The plugin update.

But why did it remove all of my stuff.

[summer prairie]

ovenproof was working for me that round

[plucky flax]

I have it ON

[summer prairie]

now I'm getting errors, what

I'll just disable it for now

[plucky flax]

This plugin update is scam.

I'll report on modder discord.

[summer prairie]

the update from like yesterday worked fine

[plucky flax]

Ye let me roll it back to that update yesterday 1 sec

[summer prairie]

your dog did 25k more damage, hard to say how much of that was due to the node

got third, you ready soon?

[plucky flax]

Ye

My dog is better than your dog

I do much less horde damage

But more monster damage cos of my keystone

[summer prairie]

No I ran that too now

but I didn't have 20% monster node

[plucky flax]

30%

[summer prairie]

I had that

[plucky flax]

Aaah

I see

[summer prairie]

you were probably just fighting them more

host your map

I looked at the nodes and pretty sure they are additive

not like multiplicative with most other stuff

[plucky flax]

The 20% or 30%?

[summer prairie]

both

[plucky flax]

It's still way more damage to monsters tho

Hmm something crashed me.

I think too many dogs.

[marble crater]

So dog better than lone wolf, confirmed?

[spice oar]

Does private game include havocs btw?

[potent echo]

i remember it being 100%

at one point

[indigo thunder]

What blessings to use on Deimos/Obscurus sword?

[paper harbor]

Uncanny

:)

[glacial vapor]

Uncanny + slaughter/deflector

[weary crane]

Why the fuck have they added pus hardened back, now my bb doesnt fucking kill anything in havoc

[wraith sphinx]

first purchase lmao

I truly have Brunt's favour

[indigo thunder]

I need a reminder whether special does more damage on heavy vs light with 1h force sword

[glacial vapor]

I got a perfect stat arbites maul second try

500k later, still no shield + maul

[wraith sphinx]

I believe in you brotha

[plucky flax]

Nah lone wolf OP melee damage

[summer prairie]

I've seen dog around 15-20% total damage

possibly without counting the bleed, not sure about that

[marble crater]

So lone wolf for stance build and then just whack things

[indigo thunder]

Does aiming for the head with a special from Greatsword make any difference?

[marble crater]

What do you mean first purchase, do you not have a voidblast build?

[marble crater]

I don't think so and I didn't see anyone ever talk about it

[indigo thunder]

I managed to test it without crit variance. No difference

[wraith sphinx]

nope, only staff I didn't have an optimized stats of

[marble crater]

Fake psyker

[plucky flax]

The charge is too strong

[marble crater]

Yeah, this is just for penances, I'm doing the things I don't want to play first

I'm finished with the floating speaker thing, thankfully

[potent echo]

not for the beam, yes for the sword hit

[summer marsh]

Whole team is just arbites and they all been going FAR from me

[marble crater]

Need to stay close to the dogs

[summer marsh]

I wish dogs didn't go together with them

But they all did

[glacial vapor]

Arbites speed runs will continue until Fatshark removes the difficulty restrictions for experienced players 🗣️

[marble crater]

Have to say though, all the missions I have played were done really quickly, I don't know if it's because of Arbites being good, everyone knowing what they are doing and just blowing through the missions to level, both?

This is the perfect time to get the speed run zealot penance without even trying

[deft stump]

3-4 dogs just mulches.

[glacial vapor]

I've only got through uprising but having a team of players who sort of know what they're doing makes these a lot easier than I remember

[summer marsh]

They been killing enemies but only from their path to move farther from the team

I'm getting abandoned

[glacial vapor]

People still walk past medicaes though

[summer marsh]

Ugh

[gray juniper]

Zealot ass behavior

[summer marsh]

Zealots skips enemies?

[gray juniper]

“Ahhh I’m bogged down with 5 crushers! Where you’re lightning psyker, you useless piece of trash?”

[gray juniper]

In my experience in pubs these guys and orgyns love to only kill the elites and move on

[summer marsh]

Well I've been trying to killing anything

[gray juniper]

That’s why after someone told me how the Illisi works it changed my games

[summer marsh]

I always use shield on ogryn and sticking to the team if we are moving

[rigid sky]

See also force greatsword :)

[summer marsh]

Well at least on other mission with this dog swarms arbites been trying to not getting far from me as psyker because I was using lighting

[rigid sky]

Pretty much all psyker exclusive shit besides Assail slows you to a crawl

A staff psyker can't fight at a sprint so well

[summer marsh]

Nah I kinda liked electrifying enemies

It's saving team from getting swarmed

[plucky flax]

@summer prairie bad modifiers.

[summer prairie]

I didn't check mine

maybe revolver is the play, shotgun loading too painful

[gray juniper]

So I didn’t know blocks charged the shield (didn’t read 🫠) so now I’m going to be sure to keep moves mixed up to power all abilities up more often

[potent echo]

i still don't have this

suffering from success

[summer prairie]

I've archivum with pus/rampaging, that's about the easiest you can get

[marble crater]

Arbites really is the "no, you don't move now" class so much crowd control

[marble crater]

Did you pet the dog at least

[summer prairie]

This only works when you drop to 9 stacks, not good

[potent echo]

yuh

[summer prairie]

no wonder the keystone damage seemed worse

[potent echo]

idk if it is actually active at max stacks though

is it a buff UI bug

[rigid sky]

Ain't saying there's anything wrong with electro psyker, just saying zoomy cunts need to bear in mind that we physically can't keep up with sprinters and contributing depending on our build lol

[gray juniper]

You can hold down an area with it pretty well but depending on your chosen buffs on it and the base stats it gave you/you bought, illisi has more default range from an uninitiated player to work with

Just my take

[potent echo]

it might only be showing the 3s version and not the always active at full version

[plucky flax]

It says while at max stacks.

[summer marsh]

Ah

[plucky flax]

Does it not give attack speed when at 10?

[rigid sky]

Mainly FGS is just better for not needing the special activation and for having better single target capability generally imo

[gray juniper]

Yea fr

[rigid sky]

I am not into illisi today tbh

[plucky flax]

I feel faster with it.

[mental rock]

Is this actually not working though or just another weird buff bar interaction

[summer prairie]

not sure, trying to test with cleave

[gray juniper]

Yea it’s a good option that fills crowd control and power swing for heavy enemies. But it is a bit slow and can cost you having to hunker down to fight it out. For newer players it’s going to be pretty hard to make it out and leave if they’re tailing the team if they don’t have purge staff or voidblast

The horizontal swing on the great sword is a game changer. The Deimos was never right for me

[summer prairie]

seems to work at 10

[plucky flax]

Its op

Were you playing dogless with left keystone?

[summer prairie]

no that was right keystone

+125% ranged cleave after a push is quite something

[rigid sky]

Deimos is very particular tbh, I only take it with Voidblast and Inferno

Which tbf are probably our two strongest rangeds

[indigo basalt]

hey all, just returning to the game and trying to get the great sword mk 6. is there any particular way to do that?

[plucky flax]

Try change the mark if you have mk8.

[marble crater]

There really ought to be a better way to tell people you can change the mark, game doesn't tell you shit

[summer prairie]

we are doing more havoc now @plucky flax

that is dae, if you are playing

[plucky flax]

I'll come.

1 sec lemme download cheat loading mod.

[marble crater]

[summer marsh]

But it was Heresy

[wraith sphinx]

my dog jumped inside the spawn closet and started bullying the poxburster

this is awesome

[marble crater]

You got it after all

[wraith sphinx]

yeah I reconsidered

[marble crater]

They changed the progression, new characters need to unlock the higher difficulties, even if you have several hundred hours in the game

[wraith sphinx]

I wanted something new to play

[summer marsh]

Ah right this part

[marble crater]

So I guess you are falling victim to experienced players kinda speed running the missions because there are a lot of them doing it right now and usually they know that everyone can deal with whatever will happen, even solo

[marble crater]

And you decided that being an oppressive cop was just the thing

[wraith sphinx]

1112 but new content is new content

[summer marsh]

Yeah right getting downed after being swarmed by elites, gunners and nade guys

[wraith sphinx]

I'm not going to wait 2 more years for another class dlc

[glacial vapor]

And people have to get to Auric lol

[potent echo]

darktide 2 in 2 years, realistic take or no

[summer marsh]

Ah I wish to play again with ogryn veteran normally

[marble crater]

It will get better over the next few days

[wraith sphinx]

hell no this game isn't even finished yet

try 10 years maybe

[glacial vapor]

Yeah, even the Ogryn hype only lasted so long

[summer marsh]

Anyway next month I will have a job for 2 months

[quartz barn]

Ogryn 2

[jovial juniper]

Idk
DT is supposed to be more future proof that Vermintide 2

[potent echo]

supposed to be

so is it or is it not

[jovial juniper]

Schrodinger's Future Proof

[potent echo]

i'll check back in 2 years

[wraith sphinx]

don't forget to buy milk when you come back

[summer marsh]

Ogryn will be happy

[analog agate]

Tis me. I barely killed anything. Just speed run. I can’t stand the new change. They should have worked it to look at account level.

I am over the nightmare now though and unlocked auric

[wraith sphinx]

yeah uh the difficulty unlocking is kinda too slow

I expected it would be 1-2 wins > next difficulty, not thig

I think I'm gonna grief and take ruthless efficiency

[marble crater]

Doing it with the campaign wasn't so bad, basically finish around damnation and then you can play that to unlock auric

[deft stump]

I would expect it to scale. 2 wins uprising, 3 wins malice, 4 wins heresy and 5 damnations.

[wraith sphinx]

yeah same

[deft stump]

If you are good enough, you can just go to the next diff at a working power lvl without having to GRIND.

[analog agate]

Pretty sure heresy and damn were 10 wins

[glacial vapor]

Here's the thing. I unlocked Malice at level 7, where it was 10 before. This is speeding up the process lol

[deft stump]

Thus, too much.

[glacial vapor]

Who is this change for?

[deft stump]

I expected it to scale better.

[analog agate]

No one

[deft stump]

For ppl complaining newbies suck and keep joining high diffs.

[marble crater]

New players and old players so they don't have to play with completely new players who think they can do damnation whenever they want

[blissful solar]

i like it but there being no recognition of the 1000 auric win Andys is weird

[glacial vapor]

But if they can jump up diffs faster, it doesn't prevent that lol

[analog agate]

And yet, most newbies are just do the arby like us. They have their other characters at 30

Getting to 30 doesn’t mean you are good now

[deft stump]

Well, find me actual newbies able to do 5 damnation wins in a row without being hard carried.

[glacial vapor]

Find me experienced randoms to do that

[deft stump]

Bonus if they don't have VT2 or other horde game experience.

Because it's how GF did no getting hit at lvl 3 on vet.

[analog agate]

This system makes sense much earlier in the games life cycle. 🤷‍♂️ Well, we probably only have to worry about this once. I don’t think there will be another class

[deft stump]

Is also why making it too much now just annoys older players.

[blissful solar]

there probably will be another class

[deft stump]

The other thing they could do is scale it off total lvls for old chars.

The more 30s you have, the less wins required.

[analog agate]

Would have made much more sense

[deft stump]

Or better, the more chars with the difficulty unlocked.

So say you have an old acct, 4 chars on auric.

[potent echo]

maybe they want old players to play with new players

[deft stump]

You deduct 1 win required per char with said diff unlocked.

[deft stump]

This is a bad idea. When I was new I just got bullied by speedrunners so much if I literally don't run a stealth speedrun build.

Because they wanna just go fast but newbies don't go fast.

Newbies are still studying the maps.

Malice btw.

Now you are forcing 10 speedrun games for those high tier players...

[potent echo]

true

[blissful solar]

weird form of proof that there will be "new classes" one day

[deft stump]

An actual newbie is going to be left behind because better players don't wanna wait.

And trust me, being dead isn't fun.

I just know it happens on high havoc so play on phone.

[gray juniper]

Which is kind of bad. Understandable for both sides but bad

Oh I mean for lower difficulties

Because this obviously brings new people to the game

[deft stump]

Yes. Why I said uprising and malice.

Newbies can die on malice.

While I take like 20 damage not caring because w/e.

Just run in and hit jokes.

[gray juniper]

This was the experience doing this about, 5 months ago? I was frustrated because it seemed so easy for everyone else. I had no idea 30 was the hard cap for levels either. I thought these guys just were way better somehow. On the plus side they’d revive me from capture

[deft stump]

This is basically what any newbie experiences atm.

2-3 ppl rushing to get to higher diffs.

[gray juniper]

I mean I didn’t quit so that says something about it I guess

Right now I have no idea how they’re taking it

I don’t play any run like that though

[deft stump]

No clue. Been duoing campaign with gf basically.

A friend did join in as well but still, don't have randos spoiling.

I still find it funni I now can run ahead of said friend. He used to play more so kept accidentally leaving us behind.

[dreamy bronze]

eww.... all the builds got errased 😦

[gray juniper]

@deft stump nice. Feels good to make leaps like that

It’s not in me to leave people behind in games like these. Job habit and survivor game LARP got me picking someone up even if it means we lose

[deft stump]

I mean, we know when we get "forgotten". Cos all in VC anyway. It's not like pubs where nobody will ever turn around if you aren't going GASGASGAS builds.

[junior breach]

me, lvl 30, still not understanding the maps cuz i haven't played in quiet a while and only just rebuilt my character, watching the others blast by at mach fuck

[fierce surge]

Blaze Force Sword or Blaze Force Greatsword? I’m looking at their stats and the Greatsword has more damage plus the horde slasher 9000 and then the Sword just has the BIG GUY DIE TIME Ability

[junior breach]

greatswords special ability is moonlight greatsword from dark souls

[deft stump]

Seems normal. But nobody uses the twins skip.

_>

The worst team was joining at lobby, standing under the bell to hit it... Everyone ran past.

[marble crater]

Lone Wolf, Stance ability and right keystone kind of makes you immortal?

[wraith sphinx]

real

I'm about to get lone wolf

[marble crater]

I only used it so I can spam more elektro mines for the penance

[wraith sphinx]

how is Break The Line like?

[gray juniper]

I try to be a pubs hero though I may be a mere squirt 👶

[leaden thunder]

very good

[marble crater]

Smaller ogryn rush basically

[wraith sphinx]

is it a literal step forward or do you dash like fotf

[leaden thunder]

smaller the fotf, but it is a dash

[gray juniper]

I wish it was a step forward but it’s a whole dash

[marble crater]

It's not that far, only a few meters

[wraith sphinx]

awesome, ty

we speedrunning with this one

oh it has cdr on hit subnode

yeheheheheah

[gray juniper]

It would be awesome if it was more like a head butt or shoulder check 😖

[gray juniper]

Yea seems like a true solo type moment

[analog agate]

While psyker is definitely better if you are good with psyker. You definitely feel invincible with arby

He is very fun

One handed maul goes ham

[marble crater]

CC all the things

[dusk pasture]

i know psyker is squishy but how the hell you keep a live in havoc +30? i run with this + staff inferno. I try to be close to teammates as much it is possible and burn everything and spam buble when it is need. when boss fight i focus on hord/trash kills to give space others.
Soo what i can do better?

[potent echo]

Do funny uncanny soulblaze stuff

Does crazy boss damage

[wraith sphinx]

Yeah I'm liking the shield combo weapons a lot so far

[analog agate]

Swap vampire to in fire reborn in bottom left.

And do a lot of dodging

[potent echo]

Oh yucky no fire reborn

[dusk pasture]

i know but i dont have from where perks for it and it cost me 2

[analog agate]

Besides that your build is fine. I know this is a canned answer. But it really is “get good”

[dusk pasture]

i excepted that kind of tip, but that is true i am not the best psyker but i am also not that bad, maybe i just have bad luck for teammates

[wraith sphinx]

part of why psyker is so unforgiving is also because of not so good random teammates

[plucky flax]

Maybe watch some pros to see how they play.

[wraith sphinx]

just keep at it, you will amster psyker

[glacial vapor]

I love seeing half my health disappear to a teammate shooting a burster

The true psyker experience

[wraith sphinx]

yup lmao

[marble crater]

Personally I would change the warp charge toughness for Quietude

[marble crater]

No pros in the chat unfortunately

[plucky flax]

Karien?

[marble crater]

She transcended pro

[deft stump]

Stop lying to ppl.

[fierce surge]

Which is better? Blaze Force Sword or Blaze Force Greatsword?

[plucky flax]

Different usage

[jovial juniper]

Better at what?

[dusk pasture]

and for what do you need it?

[fickle shore]

Omg you're here

[summer prairie]

He's not

[fickle shore]

What's the mod that highlights distance to target?

[plucky flax]

What's that mod? I have it?

[jovial juniper]

I only know of Trauma's

[summer prairie]

I've it, he must have seen my videos

[plucky flax]

Tru

You are the real unsanctioned.

[marble crater]

So many cheat mods, he forgot which ones he uses

[summer prairie]

Range finder?

[novel yoke]

You mean range finder?

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/136?tab=description

[plucky flax]

I don't use that mod.

Maybe you mean danger close?

[marble crater]

🧎‍♂️ pro

[fickle shore]

I can't upload screenshots 😭

[plucky flax]

Danger zone sry

Describe it more.

[novel yoke]

Idk it's the closest thing I thought of

[marble crater]

Yeah describe the thing you are looking for

[fickle shore]

https://youtu.be/7kvE2p0OOzw?si=SG2E3ebDTdAwr1xV

[plucky flax]

Timestamp?

[fickle shore]

3:09 poxburster*

Sry on phone

🛌

[plucky flax]

Aaah

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/398

[fickle shore]

ily

[plucky flax]

It makes it so you can tag stuff in gas.

If that's what you meant.

[novel yoke]

There were so many pop ups I hardly could tell what bro was referring to

[fickle shore]

Ikr

[plucky flax]

Yeah that guy is notorious cheater.

It's not me.

[fickle shore]

That UI is a disaster

[marble crater]

You are not pro like UnsanctionedPsyker

[fickle shore]

🤭

[marble crater]

But since it's only him that's looking at it, it doesn't really matter what you think about the UI

[novel yoke]

Ofc I ain't pro, I barely have like 12 hours on psyker lol

More or less, idk I haven't timed it

[plucky flax]

I heard if you flame him about mods you get your comment hearted.

[novel yoke]

Bruh tf you mean heard

That is your channel my brother

[marble crater]

No, it's a different AgentChaos

[novel yoke]

Two agentchaos? In this economy?

[plucky flax]

Ye it's common mistake.

I am not that pro I am sedition player and they took it away from me.

[summer prairie]

Right side build, yikes

[plucky flax]

Imagine going right side when playing melee/gun psyker.

Real pros go middle left.

[fierce surge]

General killing, from the lowest unit to the highest

[late sapphire]

Real pros go top for a top tier build

[marble crater]

The right side thing is my favorite part of that comment

[fickle shore]

I just realised something whilst binge watching those unethical videos

Bubble casts to the location of your crosshair if you tap it...

I've been doing it wrong this whole time 😭

[wanton sandal]

we got drip at home

[marble crater]

[fickle shore]

I should really adjust my settings

I can't see the bubble or fire on the ground

[indigo thunder]

Which mark is better: Deimos or Obscurus?

[plucky flax]

So you do learn stuff watching that noob

[marble crater]

Depends a bit on your preferences, but Deimos

I'm starting to enjoy Castigator's Stance, feels very bad ass to shoot people with the pistol while blocking with your shield

[vast yew]

I'm looking at my psyker tree and I can't find that ability

[fickle shore]

I want to use shriek but I feel bad for not running bubble

[marble crater]

Check the Arbitrator tree

[worthy wasp]

Best thing about the Arbites DLC is that I get to play with ppl that learned how to play the game and aren't playing something braindead like smyker.

Aurics used to be FLOODED with useless, braindead smite psykers

[vast yew]

That's in #arbites-class

[marble crater]

No

[obtuse swan]

id rather be with a semi competant smite psyker than a zealot with fotf and revolver...

[worthy wasp]

Smyker's existance is a great example why gameplay hours have zero relevance in terms of player skill

[worthy wasp]

Arbites dogs are more useful than Smykers

[obtuse swan]

the mines are basically smite but better

[marble crater]

You can turn your dog into a smyker

[vast yew]

with the caveat that they take up grenades

[obtuse swan]

if the psyker knows how psyker and smite work he can just tap the smite to stagger large groups of specials while you kill them

[ripe obsidian]

I saw a cat on my way to work.

[worthy wasp]

"Hold up, let me deal zero damage and hold everything in place because I don't have the skill necessary to play the game and I need you to win for me" - Smite Psykers

[obtuse swan]

they let u attack and do things instead of charging up and holding down lightning

[wanton sandal]

good ragebait

[vast yew]

Well yeah, but you use them twice and now you hunt for boxes like the rest of the blunts

[obtuse swan]

smite psykers are meant to stun/stagger but NOT hold it down and spam it trying to kill things

[obtuse swan]

lone wolf fixes that

[vast yew]

You can take my doggo from my cold dead hands

[worthy wasp]

Its not even ragebait, if it is then you're one of the bads I'm referring to and SHOULD be required to play through the lowest difficulties to actually learn to play

[wanton sandal]

[vast yew]

Anyways, Smite has its uses. Namely stunning big groups of Maulers/Ragers/Crushers and building up Perils for Creeping Flames. But it shouldn't be spammed all mission long, that just wastes time

[obtuse swan]

the fact that people who use revolver and smite complaining about dueling sword and plasma being actually good and skillful weapons got them nerfed... lmao

[vast yew]

Also don't take it on a Trauma/Purg build that's just silly

[obtuse swan]

literally no other weapon in the game can take out specials like plas can in havoc.. the amount of pox basically makes them invincible unless u can cleave them w plas or purge staff

[worthy wasp]

Ogryn/Arbites/Trauma Psykers are examples of useful CC.

They control while actively progressing the fight.

Smite just delays the fight and contributing nothing of value

[obtuse swan]

was disappointed w the arbites weapons tho.. no knife or sword and no plas pistol/shield combo... 😭

[worthy wasp]

If Darktide was a body and each class/build represented a part of the body... Smyker would be the butthole

[vast yew]

Eh, looping Smite -> Creeping Flame via Warp Charges is pretty good value. You're probably not doing that in Havoc though because Bubble.

Mostly only useful into big mixed hordes though

regular pox hordes that's just a waste of time

Can also be nice if you're on an Electro build or something and end up having to clutch

[wanton sandal]

sleeping on the ability of smite to stagger and knock down an entire horde or stumble elites

[vast yew]

Also yeah you don't have to hold down the button

a quick channel can be very useful

[wraith sphinx]

I'm at a loss at what blessings to put on an Exterminator shotgun

[vast yew]

#arbites-class

[wanton sandal]

wrong channel my friend

tho i run at least scattershot on the duckbill one

[wraith sphinx]

I wanted to ask my fellow psyker mains

[wanton sandal]

good crit uptime

[vast yew]

Why would we know how a blunt class works

Their dull minds are beneath us sibling

[wraith sphinx]

We have the biggest and brainiest brains and know everything

[analog agate]

Music famously hates smite. He is a dclaw user

[wraith sphinx]

but alright point taken

[vast yew]

(Real talk I forget which blessings are best)

I think Full bore is good but only on the non-duckbill one

[wraith sphinx]

on my gun psyker I run scattershot and full bore I think

[wanton sandal]

he successfully ragebaited me

[analog agate]

For what

[wanton sandal]

hate to see smite slandered

[vast yew]

Arby shotgun

[wraith sphinx]

but I haven't gotten the impression that arbites is something I'd want to or even can spec into a crit machine

[vast yew]

To be fair there's a difference between a Psyker with Smite and a Smyker

[wraith sphinx]

the smite psykers slander themselves, nothing wrong with the blitz itself

[wanton sandal]

imo scattershot and executioner

[analog agate]

I use full bore and punishing salvo. But PS is for bosses. I am sure you can do another one.

I am also using the mk8

Yeah, executioner would be good

[wraith sphinx]

I'm gonna go with full bore and deathspitter for now

[vast yew]

Do you run full bore on the Mk3 (with the duckbill)? Because I tried that and it seemed to almost never proc due to the spread

[analog agate]

I don’t use mk3 sorry. I don’t find it useful

[wanton sandal]

powederburn could also be highly effective

the shottys deal a lot of suppression

[wraith sphinx]

probably but I'll be honest that's entirely wasted on me

All the things I really wish we could suppress, we can't

[ripe obsidian]

Dang, all those havoc wins without a Vet or purg staff must've been a hallucination, since specials are invincible.

[wanton sandal]

yeah and you're kinda oneshotting anything you can suppress if you build right anyways

[wraith sphinx]

hyup

[wanton sandal]

never, you'd only proc point blank and on ogryns

duckbill takes scatter, hipfire into a crowd, and get 80% crit

[vast yew]

Makes sense

Deathspitter might also be good

Or maybe Execution depending on how that works

[indigo thunder]

It depends. If there are more enemies than the smite can attach to, it makes sense to hold since if one dies, it jumps to another

[pine shore]

Which shotgun would you use for scriers soyker?

I really fucking wanna play scriers shotgun taxe

[wanton sandal]

its nice for finishing off and following up, but im not sure on it

might try the salvo one

[vast yew]

Probably not the double barrel. What's the good Combat Shotgun mark again?

[wanton sandal]

stacking dmg from scrier could be nice on the lawbringer (middle one) or the hig dmg one

but idk im kinda new to scrier gameing

[analog agate]

And here we go

[pine shore]

Should be all of them now but I haven't touched any of them yet

[wanton sandal]

bubble is insanely high value

[wanton sandal]

not wrong tho

[analog agate]

Yeah it is

[pine shore]

Completely wrong

[analog agate]

Ogryn and psyker are better

[pine shore]

Ogryn fucking destroys arbites 5 times and 1 extra

[analog agate]

Ogryn especially

[wanton sandal]

wrong on "significantly stronger"

nto wrong on revamping classes

i'd like to see a bit of work put into them

[pine shore]

But it's only a half dogshit take

Zealot and vet could use some love

[wanton sandal]

xactly

[pine shore]

And if they get to at least psyker level, that would be nice

[wanton sandal]

vet especially

[vast yew]

Zealot's One Build (tm) is real strong but the rest of the class is dying of thirst

[pine shore]

Ogryn needs nerfs, ogryn is braindead gameplay

[analog agate]

Arby is good. And fun. But both psyker and ogryn run laps around him if played at a good skill level

[wanton sandal]

thematiclaly correct

[vast yew]

Arbites and Psyker feel good to play, Zealot feels good if you run The Build, Vet needs help and Ogryn is a bit overtuned

[pine shore]

If you want thematically correct, ogryns shouldn't be able to let go of the fire button after pressing it once

[analog agate]

The overall problem is fat shark have been balancing the game for havoc.

Even with the barely noticeable buff to auric. It is sooo easy

[indigo thunder]

Is it actually stronger? I didn't get the impression while leveling

[plucky flax]

@marble crater I'm playing castrate stance for penance it sucks but it's so tanky.

[pine shore]

They literelly weren't?

[analog agate]

It isn’t. It is a shit take

[vast yew]

Stronger no, easier sorta thanks to the doggo covering your back

[ripe obsidian]

Do you only like the charge?

[plucky flax]

Yeah pretty much.

[pine shore]

Still, most of the weapons or builds aren't even viable on havoc unless you are god

[summer prairie]

need to play it with some ranged build

[vast yew]

Arbites has a higher floor but not as high of a celiing

[indigo thunder]

Yeah, dog was very often jumping on dudes behind me. That's such a clutch

[plucky flax]

I am just eating auric's crusher overheads with stance activated.

No dodge needed.

[ripe obsidian]

Castigator's Stance is funny. Press F to Not Die

[plucky flax]

I tried shotpistol but not super good. Maybe I try flame shotty.

[vast yew]

Also can save you from an enemy doggo, knocks back Mutants, jumps Trappers. On low difficulty it'll save you from a lot of situations where you'd normally need to have your wits about you

[ripe obsidian]

Shotpistol is neat, but so far the Exterminator does it for me.

[analog agate]

Can’t speak to other classes. But the only “non viable” psyker build is voidstrike in H40

[vast yew]

Talking Aurics or Havoc? Because the Shotpistol is pretty great on Auric

[ripe obsidian]

Poor Voidstrike

[vast yew]

Double Barrel Psyker works on H40?

[plucky flax]

Auric. In havoc I play either the mk8 shotty or the bistol.

The range is a bit sucky.

[vast yew]

Oops typo

[summer prairie]

maybe middle keystone, melee when you don't have stance and then spend the stacks during stance

[analog agate]

I have never used the DB in this game. Idk

[vast yew]

I mean the range is eh but the ability to block while popping Gunners is great and it's got enough of a punch with Full Bore and its relatively tight spread

[plucky flax]

Ye I'm grinding mid keystone at the same time.

3500 range kills for that penance

[summer prairie]

you can have 50+% reload speed

[plucky flax]

[indigo thunder]

Why use Voidblast over Electric? 🤔

[plucky flax]

I have the 20% reload speed on keystone.

[vast yew]

"You see that horde of 30 crushers"
"Yes?"
"Stunlock them"

[summer prairie]

then again no cooldown gen if you go middle

[indigo thunder]

But the charge is kinda long

Without Warp Flurry

[plucky flax]

Only need 1 or 2 rounds with stance for penance.

[pine shore]

Why do you care

[plucky flax]

It doesn't require many kills.

[pine shore]

You just stunlock the entire horde

[plucky flax]

Then I can go back to charge.

[vast yew]

It's not long enough to prevent you from stunlocking them

You don't need a full charge, just practice

[wanton sandal]

may i put forward for consideration: rending trauma

[vast yew]

That too

[pine shore]

You can play either rending trayma, or fire trauma

rending trauma takes the warp flurry blessing, it's much faster

[vast yew]

Rending + Warp Flurry and you don't need to worry about tech anymore

[pine shore]

But shit horde clear

[plucky flax]

[analog agate]

In havoc or non havoc?

[pine shore]

Most run fire trauma

[pine shore]

both

[wanton sandal]

i run it with smite to knock down hordes and just chop away, mostly rely on teammates to assist with that

[pine shore]

Trauma is awesome everywhere

[vast yew]

Fire Trauma is IMO stronger but it do be harder to play

[pine shore]

I like it much more than purg in h40

[vast yew]

Rending Trauma can be devastating if your team is set up to take advantage of it though

with dots and stuff

[fluid aspen]

Does EK staff get anything special from crit? Guides say warp nexus but focused channeling seems like a good pick as well

[pine shore]

Two psykers, one with purg and one with rending trauma

They literally annihilate EVERYTHING

[indigo thunder]

What trauma?

[pine shore]

trauma

[vast yew]

Damage. Lots of damage. and maybe Surge if you're doing LMB spam.

[wanton sandal]

just very good damage buff

and fireworks if it kills

[pine shore]

Rending or fire

[fluid aspen]

Roger that

[vast yew]

Also focused Channeling is uhhhh not great

[indigo thunder]

I meant by trauma you mean old name of Voidblast?

[pine shore]

I have no idea what the new staff names are

Cause they suck

[vast yew]

Electro and Inferno are fine imo, but Voidstrike and Voidblast are too similar and lead to confusion

[pine shore]

Old staves names were a lot more cool and awesome

[indigo thunder]

It's been over a year since they changed it, get on with the times old man

[pine shore]

no

[spring terrace]

finesse damage is it only for melee or for both melee and range

[indigo thunder]

[pine shore]

It's still trauma, purg, surge and voidstrike

Forever

[vast yew]

Finesse damage from what source?

It applies to crits and weakspot hits for whatever it applies to

[wanton sandal]

scrier?

[pine shore]

I would be fine if new staff names were at least cool. But they are boring as hell

[indigo thunder]

Subjective

[vast yew]

If it doesn't specify then it applies to everything, even Assail or Brain Burst

[pine shore]

Purgatus because IT PURGES THE HERETICS WITH FIRE
Inferno is like the most vanilla default boring ahhh name for a fire weapon

[indigo thunder]

Anyway, What goes alongside Rending Shockwave?

[pine shore]

flurry

[vast yew]

on Rending Trauma? Flurry

[pine shore]

Flurry

[indigo thunder]

And with Blazing Spirit?

[vast yew]

Nexus

[ripe obsidian]

Nexus

[analog agate]

EK build is the better build in non havoc because you take out any special/elite in 1-2 zaps. And hordes get taken out with shriek or fgs. You fly through the map.

Exact same EK build is also used in havoc but requires more skill/knowledge cause you are paper thin. Usually you will run this if you are with ammo hungry guys. EK also (technically) does the most boss dps which is good for havoc.

Blaze VB is a more skill oriented weapon cause it requires aiming. You do full blasts or half blasts to take out guys or knock them down. Quick swap to melee to finish them. The blaze part will make it so you almost always do the most dps in the match. You can also be invincible in a horde with VB if you blast your feet. So you can use this weapon to babysit bad players too.

Both are insanely good in non havoc.
For most people, EK is too much work in havoc. Meta is Inferno or VB

[pine shore]

Nexus

[wanton sandal]

btw is any of this shit worth taking, i don't typically run scrier but im mixing it up

[spring terrace]

scriers

[pine shore]

yes

Take movement speed

Please

[vast yew]

Scriers applies to everything, even Blitzes

[spring terrace]

what build are you running

[pine shore]

Movement speed is insanely useful

[vast yew]

as long as its a crit or weakspot hit

[pine shore]

Everything else is situational

You always take precog and movement speed

[wanton sandal]

uhh just running recon lasgun to grind out the mastery, greatsword, assail, quell on headshot, and took DD

[indigo thunder]

These ones #psyker-class message ?

[analog agate]

Yes

[marble crater]

Makes you feel bad ass and like a tank though

[pine shore]

I have the exact same weapons, recon fgs, this is my build

https://i.vgy.me/CbrwDW.png

[wanton sandal]

kinda what i'm runnin, just a few diffs

[pine shore]

Disrupt destiny modifiers are preference imo

[wanton sandal]

warpfire?

[marble crater]

Warp splitting is better than the extra target from assail

[indigo thunder]

It seems half a charge of trauma staggers maulers/bulwarks. Is that correct?

[pine shore]

I only need cleave for assail, fgs already cleaves everything on normal aurics

Is it really just better?

[analog agate]

It does a half stagger. Meaning the bulwark will become exposed and the mauler will stumble. Pretty sure a full charge is needed to knock them down (full stagger)

[marble crater]

Yeah, assail is only one more target and warp splitting is more than one more target

[analog agate]

I honestly haven’t paid attention in a long time the different staggers with charges

[gray juniper]

What do you put on EK if you do use it in havoc? I’ve been using warp nexus and warp flurry

[pine shore]

ok, than run that

[indigo thunder]

Perks on trauma, btw?

[pine shore]

crit flak

[analog agate]

That

[indigo thunder]

So nothing new here. K

[gray juniper]

To the best of my memory. If warp flurry charging the primary attack shors

[wanton sandal]

seems like it, i do prefer the long uptime from the right path over higher performance

ty

[pine shore]

crit flak for fire trauma

[indigo thunder]

And for rendering?

[pine shore]

flak maniac/carapace for rending

I take carapace

[analog agate]

Carapace

[indigo thunder]

Talent tree the same for both?

[pine shore]

no

Not at all

[vast yew]

Fire Trauma wants Wildfire

[analog agate]

😐 Mine is almost the same…

[pine shore]

Well, they can be different

[vast yew]

And In Fire Reborn

[pine shore]

Or can be kinda simmilar

[vast yew]

Rending Trauma wants neither

But otherwise pretty similar, at least in my experience

[analog agate]

Yeah. I think it really is just wildfire to (I think Quietude for me) and in fire reborn to vampiric

[pine shore]

trauma is versatile, it can take any ability and blitz

[vast yew]

I mean... I wouldn't take Smite

That seems... silly.

[pine shore]

I mean, you can

It will work

[wanton sandal]

it works for me, but i run rending trauma. i prolly wouldnt take it on fire trauma

[pine shore]

But it is probably the worst choice out of the three blitzes

[analog agate]

The reason we take BR is:

1. take out snipers
2. We can just keep using VB and get the benefits of a blitz with KF

Anddd… psykinetic’s aura

[marble crater]

BB bad
KF good

[vast yew]

KF getting buffed is the redemption arc of the century

[pine shore]

This is how I run my rending trauma for normal aurics

[vast yew]

I remember when it used to proc on Poxwalkers

[pine shore]

https://i.vgy.me/GENwyS.png

[spring terrace]

@wanton sandal

my gunpsyker ive been running

[indigo thunder]

That's for fire trauma?

[pine shore]

That's for rending

[vast yew]

Inner Tranquilty over Empyric Resolve?

[pine shore]

You can take either one

I don't like empyric resolve without shield

[vast yew]

hmmmmmm that's fair

[pine shore]

But trauma likes peril reduction

It generates a ton of peril

[indigo thunder]

Not taking bubble? 🤔

[vast yew]

Rending with Bubble struggles to horde clear

[pine shore]

I would take bubble for havoc

[indigo thunder]

Even grabbed the BR upgrade for spam

[vast yew]

on Auric you don't need Bubble as much

[pine shore]

not my job on havoc, I would be supporting purg psyker with that mostly in an ideal world

[vast yew]

Nah I was responding to xarxyc

[pine shore]

It's still very safe and clears hordes kinda on h40

[vast yew]

Rending Trauma with Bubble takes an eternity to clear hordes so on Auric it's better to take Creeping Flames to help out

[pine shore]

yes

[indigo thunder]

Could you share a shot of tree for flame trauma as well?

[vast yew]

Mine (more or less)

[pine shore]

It's about the same, but you take warpfire and In fire reborn

remove one of blitz modifiers for an extra talent point

Wildfire sucks damage wise but it helps you get warp charges very quickly

[indigo thunder]

No kinetic flayer?

[pine shore]

kinetic deflection is very good

kinetic delfection alone is enough to permanently tank a demon host, that's how strong it is

[vast yew]

Can't fit it with KD, and I like KD

[indigo thunder]

Understandable. I like KD as well

[pine shore]

But I don't take it because trauma is already very safe

Tons of stagger

[vast yew]

You can 100% drop KD for KF though

[pine shore]

Just shit puddles directly under me and I can't take damage from most melee enemies

[indigo thunder]

Which melee weapon to use with trauma?

[tulip kettle]

the answer is always duelling sword in reality

[pine shore]

any

I use ds or knife 6

[indigo thunder]

Getting nerfed soon

[wanton sandal]

i use dueling but i can see a case for GS

[vast yew]

It honestly doesn't really matter, but something that can kill Elites and has mobility is nice. so DS4, Knife, Deimos maybe if you're feeling frisky.

[tulip kettle]

we will see

[pine shore]

It will still remain strong af

[indigo thunder]

I like Deimos and greatsword 🥲

[tulip kettle]

honestly they should just never have given it to the other classes and i said as such here at the time

[pine shore]

I use knife 6 with sprint efficiency, maniac, flesh tearer, uncanny

[tulip kettle]

deimos with uncanny cara and maniac is also very good

[vast yew]

FGS will work of course but you really don't need it and are probably better off getting something that's more mobile

[pine shore]

If ds then uncanny + agile + whatever perks doesn't matter really

[tulip kettle]

trauma just deals with everything so well the mobility is the main thing

[pine shore]

Deimos will also work

[tulip kettle]

agile being the king for this reason

[indigo thunder]

Guess I need to get a second trauma staff

[pine shore]

deimos has deflector

[tulip kettle]

i mean

[pine shore]

Ideally yes

Switching blessings and perks gets annoying quickly

[tulip kettle]

blaze trauma has been one of the top 2 strongest builds for a year now

[pine shore]

I have like 4 different force swords

[indigo thunder]

Ok, I got lucky and got another with 60% warp resist in under 10 purchaces

[indigo thunder]

And the other one?

[tulip kettle]

you should just have it

EK crit spam

[indigo thunder]

I didn't like Trauma on release so haven't bothered to try it again until now

[pine shore]

purgatus because of stupid blaze away too

[tulip kettle]

purgatus is a havoc specific thing really

[indigo thunder]

Been using exclusively surge and purge

[pine shore]

fire trauma used to be a lot better than purg imo

But then they gave purg blaze away

Stupid fucking blessing

I hate it and want it gone

[vast yew]

Fire Trauma was the Psyker build once people realized how busted the Trauma staff was

[tulip kettle]

purg is also only viable because lmb stagger

[ripe obsidian]

Not really.

[tulip kettle]

which i just personally hate tbh, why do flames stagger but mind bullets or literal bolt gun bolts dont

[vast yew]

fire scary

[ripe obsidian]

You can go through H40 without LMBing once on purgatus and have no issues

[pine shore]

fire is scary

[tulip kettle]

if it did not have stagger you couldnt use it alone

[indigo thunder]

Blaze away is for rmb holding, no?

[pine shore]

Purg lmb also has a shit ton of suppression

[tulip kettle]

yes you can because you have teammates

[ripe obsidian]

Purgatus is viable because of infinite cleave and spreading flames. Also, RMB staggers just as much with Blaze Away stacks up

[tulip kettle]

i have not tested that but i dont think its correct

[vast yew]

RMB isn't quite as much, as it takes Ragers a second to actually react

[ripe obsidian]

I've solo clutched with purgatus without relying on LMB stagger. It's good, but not mandatory.

[vast yew]

LMB makes them stagger immediately

I agree you don't theoretically need it, but it is very useful

[tulip kettle]

i just mean that it has the ability to instantly stagger any non monstrosity and that cannot be underestimated in making it viable

but also

purgatus is just not fun imo, for myself or teammates

blaze trauma all day

and now with arbiter...

stagger extra useful

[wanton sandal]

sometimes i despise the bits of the darktide community and this discord that do not at all consider the implications of playing with a team

and instead focus on being a true solo h40 powerhouse

[pine shore]

Hope for the best, prepare for the worst

[tulip kettle]

i mean havoc is no harder than an auric mael

its just grindier

[pine shore]

what?

[plucky flax]

Rare moment i was the only arby in lobby.

[pine shore]

It's way harder

[wanton sandal]

true enough, and having clutch potential is very useful if/when it happens

[tulip kettle]

it is not "harder"

its grindier

it takes much longer and you must be more disciplined

[wanton sandal]

it's a sort of artificial difficulty

[tulip kettle]

there is nothing mechanically harder about it

[pine shore]

If it was not harder, I would have a simmilar winrate on h40 to maelstrom

[tulip kettle]

its just "do the same thing but many more times"

no

wrong

[analog agate]

It’s actually mechanically easier. Cause not as much special spam imo

[mental rock]

No it's def harder lol

[tulip kettle]

what is harder about it for you?

[pine shore]

Ummm

Everything

[tulip kettle]

the enemies are the same

[pine shore]

Literally

[tulip kettle]

it just requires playing differently

[mental rock]

Reduced stats, no toughness grace period, higher stat enemies, more spawns, harder boss enemies

[pine shore]

The enemies are the same on uprising and auric

They are the same difficulty

It's the same actions, just more of them

[tulip kettle]

yes and there are far fewer

[analog agate]

I would say the boss spam is what makes it harder

[pine shore]

Just like on maelstrom is far fewer enemies than on h40

[tulip kettle]

i mean, sure to an extent

once the screen is full whats the difference

all im saying here

[pine shore]

You don't have to fight twins, captain and 2 monstrosities on at the same time maelstrom usually

[tulip kettle]

is that havoc requires you to be super disciplined and play in a boring way

not that its easy

its just a grind

[pine shore]

Have you ever played h40?

[tulip kettle]

i lolled

i have had true survivor since the first week of havoc

[pine shore]

This gives me the feeling of "I can't beat h40 not because it's difficult, but because it's grindy and I don't care enough to do it"

[pine shore]

It was baby mode

h40 nowadays is WAY WORSE

[tulip kettle]

i mean, i disagree

[analog agate]

I have found, as a 99% pubber. The difficulty change between h40 and mael is the teammates. Cause they get carried in non havoc and can’t function in a h40 game

[tulip kettle]

but thats fine

we can disagree

[pine shore]

It's literally more shit, they made h40 harder last time they updated it

[mental rock]

No I believe it's generally agreed that havoc now is harder than when it first released

[tulip kettle]

oh yeah sure

they added healing and rage to mobs etc, you think i dont like, play the game every day?

[white hull]

Is anyone else experiencing a game crash when selecting the cosmetics tab for the Psyker in the Operative menu?

[wanton sandal]

it's always the teammates. had a damnation game die 5min in because the team split up and triggered chaos spawn (should not happen)

[tulip kettle]

again, this isnt a competition

its just a discussion

[wanton sandal]

i've noticed especially now that arbites is out, the arbitrators in the group always run off on their own

[tulip kettle]

and im saying i dont think havoc is much harder than anything else in the game, its just a GRIND

[analog agate]

You know what the perfect balance was? The rituals auric modifier. It had the same boss spam as havoc but without the health inflation of everything

[tulip kettle]

honestly

anything that isnt nurgles blessing is not particularly hard imo

just levels of grind

[pine shore]

Still disagree, h40 is way worse and harder than anything else the game can offer. It's not even close to maelstroms or aurics

[wanton sandal]

nurgles blessing + weaker monstrosities 😭

[tulip kettle]

and i have had this same stance since they added nurgles blessing

[brazen compass]

the hardest part of that was people not luring enemies away from the totem lmao

[pine shore]

I thought nurgles blessing doesn't even exist in current havoc?

Or did they add that back?

[tulip kettle]

it does not

and thats why im saying havoc isnt harder just a grind

you see it all comes together

if you can CC enemies, the game is just procedural

you need to concentrate for longer

and do the same actions more times

[pine shore]

I mean, normal waves are not much more different on h40 than auric

[analog agate]

It does-ish. With the red enemies

[pine shore]

But h40 shits bosses, captains and twins at you

[tulip kettle]

but it isnt harder

they are no different though

[analog agate]

Red enemies can’t be cced

[dreamy quiver]

Is it really that impossible to fix when some status effects don’t show up

It’s been like this for a whole year where sometimes I just can’t see my warp stacks😓

[pine shore]

I have no idea how fighting twins, captain and a bon all at the same time isn't harder for you

[tulip kettle]

i mean there are 4 players in the game

[pine shore]

And 4 bosses

[tulip kettle]

and to use blaze trauma as an example

[pine shore]

While usually only 1 or 2 players have good bosskill

[tulip kettle]

youre perma ccing all the mobs and doing dps to the bosses

[wanton sandal]

do they all come out at once now, or is it still separate triggers like 5m apart?

[tulip kettle]

meanwhile 3 players are doing the same thing

[pine shore]

Enraged enemies can't be cced

They will just come at you and kill you

[wanton sandal]

only times this would be a problem is if some goof ran ahead and triggered them all at once

[pine shore]

They can comeout all at once

Almost at once

I definetely had to fight this shit before

[tulip kettle]

yes fighting 3-4 bosses is possible and im not saying its easy

[pine shore]

No one is saying it's easy

[tulip kettle]

im really not

[pine shore]

But it's for sure as hell not just as difficult as a maelstrom

[tulip kettle]

im just saying i find that the game is just grindier as you go up havoc

[pine shore]

It's is grindier, yes

But it's not the same difficulty

I don't like havoc

It's fucking hard too

[tulip kettle]

once you have a build that can handle it and you know your build the game doesnt ask anything more of you mechanically

you just do it more times for longer and cant be lazy

[plucky flax]

New?

[tulip kettle]

no hordes?

[plucky flax]

Miss me with that corruption damage shite.

[vast yew]

Middle Zealot Aura: "My time has come"
||/s||

[tulip kettle]

this is just "play the new class" the modifier

[pine shore]

I thought it was beacon of purity modifier

[tulip kettle]

yeah beacon good

arbiter also has "ignore corruption" talent

[vast yew]

Beacon Thammer Zealot and laugh through the map

[tulip kettle]

and the dog with hunting keystone

[wanton sandal]

isnt it just reduction by like 75% from pox gas

and -15% from corruption

[tulip kettle]

reduced corruption dmg also

[vast yew]

By hunting keystone do you mean the one that makes them prioritize enemies or the Disrupt Destiny ripoff

[tulip kettle]

the DD rip off

and then specialist targetting dog

[gray juniper]

I like the corruption damage over time. No horde? If there’s enough elites to make up for it

[tulip kettle]

its just designed for you to play that with castigators

you will be 100% corruption immune and murdering everything that spawns

[indigo thunder]

I dislike still how they made grim debuff over vt2

[wanton sandal]

whats wrong with it

[indigo thunder]

Fixed health reduction vs over time with no limit

[vast yew]

I also preferred the VT2 mechanic

[wanton sandal]

ah yeah

i think darktide's system is fine

forces you to piuck up the pace

or deal with the corrupotion somehow

[tulip kettle]

do we know how the "shocked enemies" blessings and perks from arbiter interact with smite / EK?

[wanton sandal]

gotta check the wording, but i believe smite electrocutes

or has an upgrade that does

[marble crater]

No, for that you would need a lobby that isn't 4 arbiters

[tulip kettle]

ive been tryin mang

[wanton sandal]

rare sighting

[tulip kettle]

because smite with +10% base comboing with arbiter is probably filth

[analog agate]

Just gotta make it to aurics/mael I think

I played 3 yesterday and it wasn’t 4 arbys in any

[marble crater]

The grind from damnation to auric is real, I'm so bored in the missions

[tulip kettle]

that was my problem

[analog agate]

It is horrible. We talked about it earlier today

[tulip kettle]

got there last night grinding the event in damn at least

[ripe obsidian]

It's waaaaay too long

[marble crater]

Is there a problem with the spawns? It feels so empty

[tulip kettle]

hahahahaha

its funny because i got plenty games with actually new players who were certainly challenged

[vast yew]

I have seen things in the last 3 days

[tulip kettle]

but i think you just have been hardened by the fires my friend

[marble crater]

I don't even mean it like that, it feels like there are fewer spawns

[vast yew]

Regular Damnation has fewer spawns than Auric

[analog agate]

I was a dick to a lot of new/newish players on my way to auric. But when I am wasting my time doing 20 heresy/damn matches I got salty

By dick I meant speed run

[vast yew]

Okay I was about to say

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/well-yes-but-actually-no-meme-aardman-the-pirates-pirate-gif-26563702

[vast yew]

I haven't had any cause to actually use the chat function grinding my Arby yet

[analog agate]

I haven’t used chat in forever

[vast yew]

that said, definitely left a few players in the dust because they were staring at a wall

[marble crater]

I do feel bad for them if you are the one guy in the group who is new and getting better in heresy and then you get a group of 3 older players who basically speed run the mission on accident

[pine shore]

Can't blame old players, heresy is insanely boring