psyker-class

[deft stump]

If only you could mix and match chars and well, inf ammo bs go.

Just ammo regen on first game and a certain funni gun in 2.

[ornate hamlet]

Tried the build last night and it certainly felt better. It was little things I noticed but all in all, more lethal and survivable! Thanks!

[strong gulch]

Yay! Glad it worked out for you. You were really close to making the meta EK build all on you're own. Pretty cool.

[marble crater]

EK my beloved, I miss you

[upper sun]

he says while booting up expedition 33

[marble crater]

Maybe I will try Darktide again today, see how my wrists like it

[quartz barn]

Turn based darktide

[tough vine]

so Rogue trader ?

@quartz barn

[quartz barn]

Pretty much ye

Forgor rt existed

[tough vine]

Rogue Trader is a nice game, but sometimes I get lost in how to build characters XD

[ornate hamlet]

Thanks! I think a lot of me coming close to the build was more chance than anything. With psyker builds, I went so long with not being able to find anything that really worked.

The process was more like throwing spaghetti at the wall to see if it would stick, over a well thought out plan. lol

But I like the EK build. I feel it does exactly what I would want from it. You can do pretty much anything you want with it, in terms of threats you can handle

[tough vine]

I just hate when the veteran just take ALL the ammo, like his not even missing a full magazine of his gun, and he takes the ammo, missing a bullet take the ammo ...

[weak sierra]

Look I pinged it. Twice. No one took it. Even though they walked right past it. Then people get mad because I took it. I don't get people sometimes.

[upper sun]

rogue trader is very nice but the game is balanced like shit and some of the dialogue is written so badly its unreal

me a sanctioned psyker rogue trader: "omg other sanctioned psyker what were the black ships like?! BECAUSE APPARENTLY I WAS NEVER ON ONE"

[glacial vapor]

Any ammo left in tertium will just be used by the heretics

It is right and just that it all gets taken

[stark notch]

Anything to make those stupid reaper patrols useless

[wraith sphinx]

Tbf that just sounds like it can be excused as a shit attempt at smalltalk

[upper sun]

"h-hey remember the worst day of our lives?"

but really my side of the dialogue has zero implications that "that was literally me" or even acknowledged that i was a psyker outside of like 1-2 quests and 2 options to psychically hurt people

[wraith sphinx]

Oof

[wraith sphinx]

Best not to think about it, not much you can do. Once I pinged TWO big ammo pickups for the zealot who was clearly on their two last mags (i could see it on numeric UI) then i proceeded to pick up the third one when I saw they were clearly ignoring them, then started spamming "I need ammo"

[dull scroll]

inferno, you start flaming them they become suppressed real fast and stop shooting

[plucky flax]

Unless they're red

[ripe obsidian]

Red enemies have probably been the death of me more than any other havoc modifier

[stark notch]

Inferno is probably the most busted staff in havoc. That and trauma

Electrokinetic m1 performs really well, but usually psykers (in my havoc games at least) tend to fill the horde clear role

Haven't seen much use of voidstrike? Have ya'll found success with it?

[wraith sphinx]

Red+purple for me 😔

[quartz barn]

Voidstrike is good but falls off hard when theres more hordes

Because trauma and purg are better for that

And surge m1 spam is better single target dps so void just gets overshadowed

[wraith sphinx]

Surge is the only staff I like ngl

The others I could never get into

[fallow token]

a wild razor appeared

[vernal temple]

I zealot decided to play psyker, I see

[dull scroll]

yes, found success with people leaving my lobby real fast 😏

[fallow token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1337860016778117180/1353639391700062259/IMG_1596.gif

[wraith sphinx]

gun psyker origin story

[vernal temple]

Indeed

[quartz barn]

Doesnt it make it better for them if theyre gross

[strange wyvern]

me with the stupid block setup on blaze sword taking an entire volley for 10% peril:

[topaz halo]

KAY i cant decide im asaile right now but i wanna switch to bubble n brain pop i just cant land on a staff to use

i like void strike but what do you guys use whats the best

[quartz barn]

Personally i have bb on void, trauma and purg

Smite + ep with elektro

And assail on gunker

You can also use assail with void to compensate for the lack of hordeclear / easier clear vs shooters

[vernal temple]

voidblast or inferno with BB and bubble works wonders

[topaz halo]

that is what i do currently so i cc with asaile and when armour guys run in i pop them with voist strike

hows the electric staff

[vernal temple]

personally I use the EK staff with BB and Scrier's Gaze for the lmb spam with Surge blessing for double taps

melts everything in it's way

[analog agate]

BB with EK, VB, inferno. Assail with VS. never smite

[topaz halo]

does ek stop armour like stun

[analog agate]

Yes

[topaz halo]

whats the dump stat

[vernal temple]

the charged attack does

[analog agate]

Warp resistance

[vernal temple]

warp res

[topaz halo]

so tell me if this is dumb bb and ek and bubble and cutlass

[vernal temple]

warp res is dump stat for all staves except for voistrike. voistrike can have either warp res or explosion radius as the dump stat

[topaz halo]

i dump exp radius usally i figured it was a good go too

[vernal temple]

personally I don't even have a build that uses the Voidstrike, it's kinda meh

the 3 other staves outclass it

[topaz halo]

thats what ive been finding

it just doesnt kill

[analog agate]

Cutlass as in dueling sword? Even with the “horde” ds your horde clear won’t be good.

I wouldn’t be the one to talk with though as I only run bubble on high havocs

[topaz halo]

ues sorry im so bad with names

yes

[deft stump]

Dueling is basically Single Target in high havocs.

[wraith sphinx]

Personally I've had best results wih illisi fs so far

[topaz halo]

see this is why im buggin im tryin to push harder stuff and ill be more of a suport

bubble stunner and poke the armour bois

[vernal temple]

I use the Mk VIII greatsword because of the special attack, when clearing massive hordes

[topaz halo]

yeah ive seen that thing do some nice things lol

[vernal temple]

Mk VI is good for single target with the downward heavy attack, I use that to one-shot charging muties. Mk VIII is for horde clear due to sweeping horizontal light attacks

Mk VI is also good against bosses

[topaz halo]

so im trying to learn to dash slide too and kinda have it protect me as well

am i squiggled here am i on the right track here?

[vernal temple]

slap on Deflector blessing on any force sword and Kinetic Deflection in your build to tank bosses with ease

accidentally triggered a DH? no probs

[topaz halo]

yeah ill start leveling that sucker up

[plush compass]

What is the best way to use BB?

I'm currently using inferno and blaze sword but 95% of the time that's all I'm using and I rarely see a perfect opportunity to pop some heads

[topaz halo]

thanks for all the tips fellers ima try some stuff out and ill be back

[analog agate]

BB is used for snipers or elusive bombers. You primarily use BB for kinetic flayer

[eager jackal]

Specials and gunners, regularly shooters in high havoc. Incoming monster. Pretty much anything you cant reach with Inferno yet.

[jovial juniper]

For Kinetic flayer
Or
Hands gameplay

Aka it just there
Or
Full BB build

[plush compass]

Hmm okay. So going off everyone's answer I'm probably using it in the right way

[jovial juniper]

[orchid stream]

Change my mind. The ten-head-brainburst in Mortis Trials should be added to regular game to make BB actually useful.

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/marketmove-mm-move-cool-trend-gif-25255233

[deft stump]

Might need to be toned down though. 10 is too many for normals.

[orchid stream]

I agree

[crisp pivot]

Even two would be a good talent

[deft stump]

I think some one mentioned 2-4 bounces at most after first target.

Also depends on if they allow bounces to strike the same target.

[vernal temple]

Melk finally sold something useful

[plush compass]

I've never had the red weapons or currios how do I get them and also how do I get currios at 420 rating

[tired estuary]

red is a copium mod for orange stuff with "perfect" rolls

[vernal temple]

"copium mod"

[tired estuary]

rating on curio doesn't matter except for +stamina, it needs to be 410 minimum to actually give +3 stam (psykanium lies)

[plush compass]

Ahhh ok

[vernal temple]

Curio rating of 410-430 is when you see +17% toughness, +21% HP and actual +3 Stamina

That's as high as curios go

Wound curios go in the bin

[plush compass]

How do I get it because i only have access to <400 and they won't upgrade past 400

[deft stump]

Unless Zealot with a specific build.

[deft stump]

Get to 30 and RNG.

[vernal temple]

Yeah curios don't upgrade their rating level. Once you hit 30, they're just RNG at Melk, Brunt or as a mission reward

[plush compass]

Ah, just been unlucky with RNG then

Ty

[tired estuary]

yeah once you hit lvl30 roll the melk curio gacha or check in with bruntslop every hour lmao

[vernal temple]

That's for zealot chat

[plush compass]

That's the weekly mission ones right ?

[vernal temple]

Yeah but he updates his inventory every 24 hrs

Brunt's armory updates every hour

[deft stump]

Or shove curio drop on your curio and pray playing aurics. Like 30 something chance to roll a curio instead that can be the ones you need.

[tired estuary]

no I mean rolling random curios from melk en masse b/c what else do you spend melkbucks on

[plush compass]

I have 400 curios with all the stats I need, is 420 much more ?

[deft stump]

You don't want to roll anything else. Just buy a maxed 500 god if you ever see one.

[deft stump]

Not really.

[tired estuary]

If those 400 curios have 21 health or 17 toughness then extra rating changes literally nothing

[deft stump]

Only matters for stam.

410+ or bust.

[plush compass]

I'll check my curios when I go home, I'm now wondering if my toughness is actually at 17. If not I'll be back in the shop every hour as I've spent all my gambling money

[strange wyvern]

ok so 500 curios don't exist

[deft stump]

Ask FS. They are out to annoy OCD.

[strange wyvern]

No 100% stats
no 500 curios 😭

is there a mod to bump the minimum statline by 20% just visually so I can get my OCD copium

so stuff goes from 20-100% instead of 0-80%

[plucky flax]

Yeah.

It goes from 0-80% max bar.

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/235

[analog agate]

They definitely meant for curios to be more than they are

As in how they work

[strange wyvern]

At least I got two 410 stamina ones now, for all that running I'll be doing

[drifting steeple]

this feels wrong

[rancid mauve]

Smite penance is the hardest penance in the game

Not only do I have to play with smite, i also have to deal with teammates turning into drooling imbeciles as soon as I whip it out

[plucky flax]

Play ep smite

With creeping flames

[glacial vapor]

Fun fact, it doesn't have to be your smite. You just need it on your build

I barely used it and got the challenge done

[dull scroll]

smite is great

[deft stump]

Is like stun 'nade zealot things.

[dull scroll]

you wait until your teammates wade into the electrified horde to stab crushers feeling all safe and comfortable

[wraith sphinx]

charged strike yet no enfeeble? :/

[dull scroll]

once they are in deep you purposefully turn it off and watch them spun around in panic surrounded by an sudden awakened animated horde 😏

[deft stump]

Why ppl suggest 3 stun zealots and a tauntgryn if 4 manning.

To try for the 40 kills thing.

Saving a sec switching from toss to melee can help.

Plus, they can refresh it in while you are still hacking away.

[deft stump]

This is why I don't trust ppl and have massive trust issues.

[dull scroll]

You know I'd never do that to you Karien

https://tenor.com/view/innocent-pea-angel-gif-4838028452625420588

[deft stump]

Pubs though. And barrels.

[marble crater]

I probably would

[plucky flax]

I would.

[deft stump]

As you can tell, there's a reason it exists.

[cloud night]

I would

[wraith sphinx]

I'm ngl I exclusively use those two subnodes and only together

Lack of enfeeble in general just feels bad

Killing takes longer and you can't help others kill things faster beyond holding down the charged smite

[marble crater]

Let me tell you about our lord and savior lightning storm

[drifting steeple]

i just used the node so i could access psykinetics aura for my melee build

and thought i have never touched charged strike so i wanted to try it out

[wraith sphinx]

Too much smykering bad

[wraith sphinx]

Fair, that's more or less why I made my smite gunker too lol

But like, I can't imagine not having those two subnodes myself, because actually smiting is something I'd only want to do in moderation

[marble crater]

Uhm aktually 🤓 ☝️ it's less smykering, because it spreads a lot quicker and you don't have to smite for as long

[wraith sphinx]

[marble crater]

It does a lot more than +1 of course Fatshark doesn't tell you though

[wraith sphinx]

Bamboozled yet again

I truly don't know what'd I do if I didn't join this discord

[drifting steeple]

do too much smykering

[jagged bough]

HOW CAN I KNOW IF MY WARP SWORD COUNTS AS DOING WARP KILLS????

[marble crater]

If you use the special and kill something it's a warp kill

Unpowered melee kills are not

[jagged bough]

and if i just swing it normaly its not?

good to know

also, if i have a perk that says "you can quell 10 peril by killing a guy" and another that says "you recover 5 toughness from quelling 10 peril" will i get 5 toughness if i kill a guy but have no peril to quell?

[marble crater]

Yes

[prime elk]

Sanest freak

[marble crater]

But Battle Meditation is bad outside of havoc, don't use it

[jagged bough]

also, im assuming that if someone dies from soul blaze it counts as a warp kill, will it count as a warp kill if i shoot someone who has soul blaze with a las pistol for example?

[marble crater]

If the las pistol kills then no

Soulblaze and all staff attacks are warp attacks/kills though

[jagged bough]

ok, so i cant turn normal kills into warp kills by just having a warp effect affect them.

[marble crater]

No

[jagged bough]

also, do you know if this means "kill them while they are affected by soulblaze" or "kill them from the damage caused by soulblaze"?

[marble crater]

Kill them with soulblaze damage, but that talent is also bad, because it doesn't trigger and refresh, so it can only trigger once every 5 seconds

[prime elk]

Troll placement in the tree too

[wraith sphinx]

True

[marble crater]

Yeah that too, I think they switched the sides around, would make sense

[wraith sphinx]

Should be on the left side

[plucky flax]

If its any death when they have soulblaze effect and the buff can be refreshed

[wraith sphinx]

But it can't so the benefits are really meh

[jagged bough]

very tragic

[shadow wigeon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ecefc0a-7345-483f-8b6f-750c80f717f2/surge-surge-3

[jovial juniper]

You pick surge for the two projectiles
I pick surge for the extra 5 CRIT chance

We are not the same

[shadow wigeon]

porque no los dos

[jagged bough]

would be neat if it switched places with this maybe

[marble crater]

It would

[jovial juniper]

This one basically does nothing to Psyker

[plucky flax]

Fs trolling no one ever pick those 2 talents

[jagged bough]

but my plan is to use a force staff, and then when quell gets too high ill swap to sword to then quell, because i have built it to quell

[jovial juniper]

But isn't staff quell faster than sword quell

?

[jagged bough]

but i quell by murdering heretics B)

thats the trick

by using this

wait, does the blaze force great sword special move count as a melee kill?

[rich spindle]

Local psyker stops casting trauma staff to melee 8 different trash mobs, Team Wipes

[rich spindle]

Local psyker uses force greatsword special

[plucky flax]

You missed a good chunk of chaffs on right side

Should aim low with the special

Legs chopper technique

[jagged bough]

maybe, but if it counts as a melee hit then if i hit their faces ill quell 10% peril.

[plucky flax]

Special action is not melee

Maybe where the sword hit? But the beam counts as range damage

[jagged bough]

good to know

[fresh reef]

What are psyker's best (ideally not ranged) options for boss killing?

[upbeat kestrel]

duealing sword/force greatsword

[buoyant maple]

Duelling sword IV
Obscurus force sword

[fresh reef]

All signs point to obscurus smh

Guess I finally have to learn the damn thing

[buoyant maple]

It’s remarkably simple

[plucky flax]

Mk6 fgs

🐱

[rich spindle]

True gamers know the real answer is lacerate knife

[rancid wadi]

Is there a specific build for the monster brain burst penance

[analog agate]

Something like that

[rancid wadi]

Thanks

[analog agate]

Pop both shields when you want to uber brain burst

[rancid wadi]

So should do it in the special op?

Oh yeah psyker shields

Lol

Brainfart

[upper sun]

the double walls with the brainburst upgrade make your BB go veri fast

if you add in a blue stim you can nuke the boss down to like 25% hp in seconds

or even a red stim actually

[steady torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/feels-good-good-money-satisfied-cash-gif-2430012762239283554

[steady torrent]

The ultimate technique, legs remover

[dull scroll]

this, though too bad the knife is too garbo at killing specials I had to go back to ds 😒

[plucky flax]

3 nice fgs specials in 30s or so (youtube clip)
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkxg1UAjkPNNXPMzl3zKHdljZ6iETUOWeHx?si=fPpsO1iOS3VqHfUR

[rich spindle]

It’s only bad at mutie ttk I feel like

Even then you c an just spam push attack like a machine gun with Parker stam delay

Psyker

Peter psyker

[plucky flax]

The first and third special in the clip is aimed low. 😄
#psyker-class message

[verbal thistle]

@plucky flax tried EP assail havoc yet?

[plucky flax]

Nein

I want to try warp unbound blaze trauma first.

But too busy playing oggye.

[verbal thistle]

Oggy fun

Just brain off

Left click

[plucky flax]

Keystoneless warp unbound blaze trauma what do you think?

[verbal thistle]

Oooih

Sounds fun

https://youtu.be/f64XgfaLWS4?si=Y2vy3fAsC2xLK7Jr

[rich spindle]

It’s time. Do it

[verbal thistle]

This is what plays in every ogryn mind in havoc

[dull scroll]

it's the most apparent on the dogs, if you don't do it right it becomes messy very fast because you push it out of the way and it runs off

[rich spindle]

True

[plucky flax]

1 spare point maybe warp splitting or the value point in dd.

To buff fgs.

[rich spindle]

I do heavy attack sprint > punch > lighthouse attack that turns into heavy

On them so I squally don’t push them out of the way

Sometimes I do tho

I need stronger autocorrect

[rich spindle]

Try the peril reduction nodes

[plucky flax]

I'm banking on battle med during gaze to keep me going.

[rich spindle]

Word

[plucky flax]

During a big ass havoc horde I should kill enough with blaze trauma to not reach 100%....

[rich spindle]

When I run ep smite spam with all the peril reduction nodes it can be very surprising how long I go before having to shriek

[plucky flax]

Maybe.... I have not yet played this meme.

[jagged bough]

im a fan of the disrupt density, because it can be useful against visual impairments, but idk if it would be the best option, im just a fan of it.

[verbal thistle]

Yeah chaos

You should take DD

[plucky flax]

Ye I think so just for the extra damage when fighting bosses.

It's toughness maxxing build.

[thorn cedar]

new DD is honestly just stupid

it gets better as the game gets harder because in havoc there's almost always a monster to bop against just for free stack maintenance

[jovial juniper]

Perfectionism heaven

[analog agate]

I really can’t believe the lesson the learned from their analytics was to buff right side psyker

[weary idol]

tbf due to right side psyker having a decently high skill floor

it is reasonable to assume that any data on it would likely show it having a low winrate and low pickrate

despite it being broadly known by players to be busted as shit

[upper sun]

tbh i think the soulblaze talent on the right should be swapped with the swap speed talent on the left

[wraith sphinx]

with lingering influence it's impossible to run out of stacks on standard damnation and up

[wraith sphinx]

isn't it also the most overhated psyker build

because "erm why sparky use gun instead of infinite ammo staff"

[verbal thistle]

The most hated build is smite

[wraith sphinx]

overhated, not hated

[verbal thistle]

I see

[wraith sphinx]

imo gunker gets a lot of unwarranted hate as opposed to smykering

[verbal thistle]

I see it

I've had people tell me gun psyker is bad/not an actual psyker build

They did not know....

[wraith sphinx]

I've had someone here ping me and definitely not call me a moron for saying gun psyker rocks

[weary idol]

gun psyker build is literally best in class at every metric

[wraith sphinx]

also I think people have a bad impression of gunkers because the psyker start is atrocious

[weary idol]

you just have no durability or fallbacks if you make any mistakees

[wraith sphinx]

yup

the ultimate glass cannon

[weary idol]

which psyker doesn't really have durability or fallbacks on any build but that's offset by staves being infinite ammo ranged weapons that allow you to play safe

gun psyker has to melee things

like...all the time

[zinc phoenix]

Bitches need stitches and they can’t be applied with staves 🤷‍♀️

[wraith sphinx]

when I played havocs with clad bean and lamb I got to like a hair's breadth from freaking out when I accidentally H attacked a couple of ragers instead of blocking

very very nearly knocked myself out of the game then and there

no room for error but damn does it feel good when everything lines up perfectly

I used to think rhythm games are pretty lame and now I'm basically playing one

[verbal thistle]

@strong gulch was it you that had the tactical axe member list?

[strong gulch]

yes #psyker-class message

Does it need updating?

[verbal thistle]

Nope

Was just wondering

Thanks

[strong gulch]

🫡

[weary idol]

I am trying some freaky shit

[wraith sphinx]

that's really freaky

you running a staff?

[strong gulch]

Probably melee

[weary idol]

mostly melee but yes staff

using brittleness voidblast because f u c k crushers

[strong gulch]

CS + FGS heavies do a silly interaction on bulwarks

[weary idol]

I was planning on using Illisi with this to start with

but FGS is naturally also an option

Illisi having super high cleave and sweeping heavy attacks seems natural

[strong gulch]

blazing spirit illisi

[weary idol]

I don't think I have enough crit for that

[strong gulch]

If you're wanting a funny garbage build.
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dba7173-f64c-4b4f-9213-94268e99e856/no-keystone-fire-sword-now-with-crit-chance-its-bad-but-play-it-anyways

Lower first target would be nice.

maybe higher finesse

Something to gamble for lmao

[wraith sphinx]

let's go gambling!!!

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/casino-oldpeople-oldpeopleonslots-slots-vegas-gif-27586086

[wooden sand]

Is this gambling for old people?

[strong gulch]

Lots of old people hit the slot machines in the US.

[late night]

how exactly does ritual progress rate work? if you get closer does it tick faster

[rich spindle]

Yeah, and it won’t move if it’s in the first 20% it seems

It’s really buggy

[verbal thistle]

There is 2 phases

3

1st: non awakened (no health bar)

2: slow, if you don't get close or hurt any cultist they will slowly progress the bar, takes like 5 min to fill bar (DO NOT RUSH Rituals at this time)

3: fast

You either hit a cultist or are very close to them

They will progress the bar as fast as possible

Makes sense?

[wraith sphinx]

did not know about the ritual speedup but that's so very Havoc

[strong gulch]

Cultists just waiting to start the stage performance.

[verbal thistle]

I've seen havoc 40 people wipe because they rushed a phase 2 ritual

[shrewd phoenix]

Bro I had no idea it had a slow phase I thought as soon as you wake it up it’s death time

[verbal thistle]

Wait for the area to be clear to kill a ritual

Because if you rush it you have the horde and maybe a boss plus the ritual all on top of each other

[strong gulch]

Or get a weakened boss, twins, the DH, and a mixed horde.

[shrewd phoenix]

Bro we had a host INSIDE a hexbound host and since we rushed it everyone wiped

[verbal thistle]

About that

[shrewd phoenix]

Good to know

[verbal thistle]

It's a good idea to have a sacrifice/tank for that situation

That is a bug rn

But have a psyker with kinetic deflector or an shield ogryn wake up the normal dh and pull it away

While other 3 kill ritual

[shrewd phoenix]

Yeah we had our Crucis hammer try their best to kill host but it was straight up a first time encounter

But I’ll keep that in mind because that was the most raw event ever

It was pretty funny though

[verbal thistle]

The best tip for rituals is do not rush

They are not a threat until they are fast progressing

[late night]

that is helpful to know

and something i feel like very few ppl are aware of

[verbal thistle]

Yes

But it's classic

They don't explain anything

[long wharf]

classic FartShack

[verbal thistle]

Also

[shrewd phoenix]

Yeah I have a 3 stack and we always have some trouble with heinous rituals because we thought it was as soon as health bar shows its 40 seconds to death

[verbal thistle]

Some locations are bugged and will spawn in as phase #3

The only spot I know is 1st medicade on vigil station

[strong gulch]

If you are tanking the DH and a trapper runs by, resist the thought to push the trapper. Don't let that thought win.

[shrewd phoenix]

So basically keep an eye on health and if it is slug pace clear the area first

[verbal thistle]

Yes

You running mods?

There is a few that will help with that

[shrewd phoenix]

Oh word?

[weary idol]

nah hexbound DHs are really easy to fight tbh

[shrewd phoenix]

Drop em id love to peep em

[weary idol]

as far as I can tell they don't have the flurry attack that normal DH do

so you just dodge sideways around them at a steady rhythm and they never hit you

[verbal thistle]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/314

[shrewd phoenix]

Yeah they aren’t hard it’s just the corruption

[verbal thistle]

This will show up to 12 health bars at a time

[shrewd phoenix]

Tyty

[verbal thistle]

And color code then so you know what they are

Plus

[weary idol]

what kind of disaster would have 12 healtbars on screen

[verbal thistle]

Numberic UI will tell you the hp

[verbal thistle]

Havoc can have up to 8

Plus rituals

[shrewd phoenix]

My favorite

[verbal thistle]

So around 11 at max

[long wharf]

aa squad of speed runners all going different directions?

[verbal thistle]

no

2 twins, 2 from normal boss trigger, up to 3 monsterous specials, 1 normal DH

I've had 5 spawn in at 1 time in a normal game

*a non speedrunning

[dull scroll]

I wish, crusher is the one thing inferno does nothing to

[strong gulch]

Given enough time it "can" but just use other tools.

[dull scroll]

it doesn't do much to crusher, but it destroys everything else

[strong gulch]

There is BB and multiple melees that deal with crushers.

If there is a lot of bittleness, then inferno can tick them down at an okish rate.

But building for that is silly.

Inferno has infinite cleave, a lot of stagger and suppression, and has decent monster damage.

Dodge back and sweep. You can also LMB.

[weary idol]

inferno does not have decent monster damage

[strong gulch]

The more blazeaway stacks you have, the more RMB and stagger too.

[weary idol]

none of the staves do because monstrosities have huge warp damage resistance

[dull scroll]

the trick with inferno is to not try to beam down horde, but shake it around putting warpfire on as many mobs as possible as fast as possible

[strong gulch]

For a psyker, and especially for staves, yes it does.

[jovial juniper]

Staff Bash

Fully charged to the face iirc

[dull scroll]

chaffs like pox gets more or less a stack of warpfire on them they become stunned and is rendered harmless

[weary idol]

"for a psyker" like gun psyker is not 20 times better than any staff at boss damage

[long wharf]

I was wondering if you are smelling burnt toast

[wraith sphinx]

and especially for staves

[dull scroll]

it's naked inferno, gunpsyker need gaze and also need shitton of ammo

[weary idol]

I can kill a plague ogryn from full health in less than 2 magazines from my infantry autogun

you can plink off of them ineffectually with your shitty blue fire

[verbal thistle]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[strong gulch]

While true that psyker's best monster damage is guns, the convo was about staves and inferno specifically.

[dull scroll]

2 mags, sure maybe in auric 😂

[wraith sphinx]

he's not far off but ammo expenditure highly depends on how lucky you are with proccing crits and whether or not you can safely stand close enough to the monster to proc dumdum

in practice It'd definitely take a bit more because you're not going to dump the entire mag square into the plague ogryn's head

[weary idol]

on normal damnation a full magazine of the vraks infantry autogun into the face of a plague ogryn is around 2/3 of its health

burgles and chaos spawn it's obviously more because cspawn have lower health, and burgles take more weakspot damage

[cloud night]

Warp enfused 5.56 > magic fire

Or 7.62

Your choice

[jovial juniper]

Casual EK W

[dull scroll]

sure about that? I just tested, a full clip unloaded all into plagyrn face with gaze does less than half

that's the gun

[jovial juniper]

What the punishing salvo doin

[long wharf]

not a damn thing past that 4th round

[dull scroll]

2/3 only happens if you have max gaze stack

[jovial juniper]

Yeah yeah I get it
The alternatives have conditions to stack and whatever

[weary idol]

yeah the gun would be why

[wraith sphinx]

I use vraks pattern w dumdum and fire frenzy

[weary idol]

also no DD

https://imgur.com/a/x8a8LuX

the gun in question

[dull scroll]

no DD? what is this then

[long wharf]

he was referencing your gun

[dull scroll]

and what exactly would that be referencing, no DumDum?

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dull scroll]

anyways, I specifically respec'd to that weak spot blessing to make the result more favorable

in auric gunker is a monster because low diff and plenty of ammo, this thing taken to havoc it falls off like a rock

Chaos's version of bubble knight is the only thing I've seen that isn't a complete liability, and that thing is more about the FGS than the gun

[weary idol]

as far as I can tell you don't have disrupt destiny in this screenshot

so I am assuming you also don't have it for the one above it

which is why it's not doing 2/3 like mine does

because you're not accounting for the gun psyker keystone that is almost always at 15 stacks

[weary idol]

I was saying you don't have DD

[long wharf]

DD being Disrupt Destiny, not DumDum in this case

[upper sun]

AAAAAAAA there arent any fucking playable games on EU

[wraith sphinx]

No shit, it's close to 3 am

[upper sun]

its also laborday and a long weekend

[blissful solar]

people play darktide?

[wraith sphinx]

Not necessarily for everyone though

[wraith sphinx]

Allegedly

[wooden sand]

Its a dead game from 5 years ago

[jovial juniper]

Never Heard of it

Is is it like a sports or something

[amber vault]

hey guys, for the devils claw what perks do you put on it?

and blessings

[prime elk]

Did you really have to ask in three channels

[ripe obsidian]

Apparently so

[zinc phoenix]

Darktide plays people

[steady torrent]

Dark plays tide

[rich spindle]

Nurgussy interior

[steady torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-dancing-the-simpsons-gif-13604455

[torn kernel]

Did zealot chat leak into here or somethin

[wispy bay]

Purge the zealots

[steady torrent]

I been told to avoid the zealot chat at all cost

[patent jacinth]

Most unfortunate

It’s where all the cool people and tac axe cultists live

[steady torrent]

Tac axe do be hitting tho

[strong gulch]

Should I add you to the psyker taxe list?

[torn kernel]

JOIN THE CULT

[steady torrent]

I haven't used it in awhile but long ago i did

[cloud night]

Can confirm, psyk taxe is a vibe

[strong gulch]

Who am I adding? #psyker-class message

[steady torrent]

If i join, do i have to use the tac axe forever

[strong gulch]

no

[steady torrent]

Oh bet

[strong gulch]

I will send people to you to answer taxe questions tho.

[steady torrent]

Fuck the dueling sword is all about the tac axe

[steady torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-scared-gif-27466237

Im bad at tests

[strong gulch]

added

It's your responsibility now.

[steady torrent]

[compact cargo]

All this talk about taxe

What about smaul

Spark head try smaul!

[wraith sphinx]

Feel free to add me, psyker taxe is fun 🙂

[light solstice]

Good morning, could I ask you guys advices on a build?

I would like to do a voidblast staff build

That’s what I did

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9ed04ac6-cc8a-49ca-9ef0-f4b2971ce477

[strong gulch]

Added, but @ mentions are maxed. So no blue highlight. 😢

[wraith sphinx]

😭

[strong gulch]

See pins for meta VB build. There is also a rending flurry variant with flak + cara and rending shockwave + flurry.

[marble crater]

We need to stop normalizing rending trauma

[steady torrent]

what about rending VS

[marble crater]

Does it even have a rending blessing?

[steady torrent]

Noo, butttt there is that one talent

10% rending

[marble crater]

[steady torrent]

I know this build looks funky but this a pretty fun build I made with vs and taxe

[marble crater]

Blocked

[rigid sky]

no keystone is, unfortunately, heresy.

[rigid sky]

I keep hearing that the tides seem to change favouring between both styles of trauma

is blazing spirit the current top pick still?

I'm always happier when it is

[marble crater]

Only reason why I would personally play rending vb instead of blazing is that I'm playing havoc with an inferno psyker

[steady torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/bro-is-finished-cooked-finished-dog-closing-eyes-dog-with-eyes-closed-gif-8933440936102921947

[wary flax]

You know things aren't going well when you're playing a squishy psyker yet somehow it's the ogryns on your team that are constantly going down.

[wraith sphinx]

yeah that's fucking cursed

[sinful peak]

6 man mission

[wary flax]

Got a 3 psyker mission and the person with most downs was a veteran.

[rigid sky]

Tbh, executioner stance vet is an honororary gunker

Only meltier

[analog agate]

Even with the deletion of quell cancel blaze build is still better. The fire still does more for you than rending.

[weary idol]

gotta say bubble feels like shit to use

I haven't used it in so long I forgot how garbage the ability is

[frozen crane]

Morning folks, probs been said a few times already but what are the objective benefits of using Pen Flames over Nexus with BA? Is it the brittleness stack potential? Heard that the crits aren't triggering on burn dots now too, is this true?

[deft stump]

If you are the second Trauma, I guess.

[buoyant maple]

Soulblaze DoT ticks cannot crit
However, the direct hits from inferno staff can crit and apply 2 stacks of Soulblaze on crit instead of 1, so nexus is overall stronger against more enemies

Penetrating flames gives you up to 20% extra brittleness which doesn’t matter too much outside of killing crushers better

[marble crater]

It can be good if you stack it with rendin voidblast for havoc, other than that nexus will be better than pen flames

[deft stump]

Oh right, Inferno. I guess same reasoning.

[buoyant maple]

Soulblaze has high ADMs across the board with the only low ADM being carapace

[marble crater]

It's just Steam guide WIP now? What happened to the Vet and Zealot part?

[deft stump]

Zealot done.

Vet on hiatus as usual.

Procrastination so delayed again, last I heard.

[buoyant maple]

Vodka gave up on steam guide because Ainz made one

[deft stump]

[buoyant maple]

And psyker chat people are not rly doing anything

[marble crater]

Imagine if all these guide writers worked together

[buoyant maple]

So both zealot and psyker steam guides are indefinite hiatus

And

[deft stump]

Zealot?

You mean Vet.

[buoyant maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1367567612829110284/Screenshot_2025-05-01_142501.png?ex=6815b6d7&is=68146557&hm=760d60b326775051dfcd0c2f1e5a638813818d2e1ec5538ed35ec105c6856d04&

I will eventually add these post-release for vet guide

[cloud night]

Zealot guide makers got that jfk curse from what I see
Any time somebody makes one, they get sniped

[deft stump]

Ainz got it done though.

[marble crater]

My excuse is that I am on console and can't test things, plus I don't understand the game well enough, I can only play it

[buoyant maple]

Vodka was making one that I was helping

Besides the other issue was gonna be

[deft stump]

Ah.

[buoyant maple]

70%+ of the content will be copy paste from my guide anyway

[deft stump]

Why not just footnote any core info for other classes as mentioned before?

[buoyant maple]

Well

It’s already in my guide

There’re a lot of things mentioned unrelated to veteran

[deft stump]

Heh.

Cos the joke was most others just used it for anything shared anyway due to easier to access.

[buoyant maple]

Also there’ll be 6 build sections in vet guide

[teal turret]

Oi, convicts! I call on u, kind folk! Please help, help the fellow convict do the penance for the privet group!

[deft stump]

MM? In 15 mins unless sniped.

I need to get home.

[frozen crane]

Fantastic, thanks for the intel my fine people 🫡

[teal turret]

What time it will be? Like UTC?

[wary flax]

Really don't like executioner stance, tbh.

It's like Scrier's Gaze but only for guns and without the damage resistance and move speed buff. So kinda just worse.

[deft stump]

Just add 15 mins to the post time.

[teal turret]

Oh, ok

[deft stump]

I need to walk home lmao.

[teal turret]

The char is named GangmanStyle

Ur?

[deft stump]

My friend code is there.

[teal turret]

Ok

[rigid sky]

Outlines, refresh ability, and the spread reduction are good though. It's the worst ability in the game but it's a fun build to play with up to aur-mael imo

[teal turret]

Ty

[deft stump]

But am still on way home.

[teal turret]

I’ll wait, not a problem

[deft stump]

And with Vet Stam, heh.

[rigid sky]

Also Nexus helps keep you alive, since crits are our lifeblood

[teal turret]

Don’t we need like more people?

[deft stump]

Not really.

Would be nice, but still.

[teal turret]

Okay. Could u instruct me?

[deft stump]

Just make a BB build.

[teal turret]

The friendship code does nothing

Are u from Singapore?

[deft stump]

Yes. And it's for ingame. I'm still out.

[teal turret]

I know

Ok, I’ve sent you a request. Let me know

[deft stump]

Get on the sus number Vox.

I'm booting the game.

[wraith sphinx]

the cooldown feels crippling

[indigo siren]

Hey siblings, for those running dueling sword, what are your preferred blessings and perks? I’m currently uncanny strike, thrust, and carapace damage and maniac damage.

[frozen crane]

Usually Riposte and Uncanny, though not sure what the fine numbers say, just found that when getting the Riposte buff you do crazy damage in my experience sibling

[wraith sphinx]

this is mine

[wraith sphinx]

I do recommend checking out the psyker atheneum for suggestions

[brazen rampart]

Take weak spot damage off and try to find one that doesn't dump pen.

[frozen crane]

Off the topic of my last question, assuming Warp Nexus is still a go to on Infernus staff, would Pen Flame or Blaze Away accompany it into high Havoc? I cans see benefits for both but wondering if raw damage is better than Brittleness?

[brazen rampart]

Weak spot and crit damage are trap perks.

[brazen rampart]

Blaze away is better than pen flames.

[wraith sphinx]

does it not additively stack with agile

[brazen rampart]

Soulblaze has a 1.0 ADM on basically everything that isn't a crusher.

Pen flames only helps your teammates kill crushers so it's not that useful all things considered.

[brazen rampart]

Doesn't matter if it stacks or not, it is straight up an ineffective perk.

Also you shouldn't use agile.

[frozen crane]

I see, I kind of suspected this but wanted a second opinion!

[brazen rampart]

Agile will make you worse at the game.

As for why crit/weakspot damage is bad, it only affects the portion of the damage granted by a crit or weakspot, not your overall damage.

[frozen crane]

that's interesting, when I saw that perk I actually thought to myself surely that would be quite good

[brazen rampart]

So, let's say you'd do 100 damage on a bodyshot, but 150 on a headshot. Weakspot damage will only increase your damage by 10% of the extra 50 added by headshotting.

Meaning it's 5 whole damage.

Granted, I'm using nice round numbers just to explain the function of the perk.

[wraith sphinx]

that's incredibly damning

[brazen rampart]

Damage to a specific armor type is just way way way better.

[frozen crane]

oh my lord

[wraith sphinx]

yeah I'll take it off

[frozen crane]

does that seem somewhat counter intuitive or is it me?

[wraith sphinx]

yes it does

[brazen rampart]

So yeah, take weakspot damage off and take agile off for something that won't make your noob friendly weapon even noob friendly-er.

[near wyvern]

Yeah damage vs armour perk is actually multiplicative

[wraith sphinx]

I thought it was 10% extra to these values as a whole

[near wyvern]

So you get x1.25 against that amrour type

[near wyvern]

You got Fatsharked

[weary idol]

you'll never believe this but there is actually something that does do this

[brazen rampart]

One would think that, and thats fine, but unfortunately fatshark math is wack.

[weary idol]

Weakspot and Critical STRENGTH does that

but damage doesn't :)

[wraith sphinx]

this is actual trolling at this point

[weary idol]

I don't think Critical Strength actually exists, but weakspot strength exists on the ogryn skill tree

[near wyvern]

It's the whole reason I wrote the Atheneum, there is no trusting in any Fatshark descriptions

[wraith sphinx]

thank you for your work

[frozen crane]

yeah nice work lads, that is full on trolling from Fatshark

[near wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/im-doing-my-part-dogecoin-starship-troopers-dedcel-doge-to-the-moon-gif-21222005

[brazen rampart]

If ever in doubt, check Path's guide.

His explanation of core mechanics and damage calculations are peak.

[deft stump]

Pifft. It's great if you have 400 ping though.

[wraith sphinx]

also yeah I should absolutely use shread instead of agile

I'm a gun psyker! I always want more crit chance!

god I feel like an actuall dummy now lmao

[deft stump]

I mean, you really only want agile for 300-400 ping havoc 40 BS.

[brazen rampart]

No, you should use riposte or precog.

[wraith sphinx]

sure I'll try riposte

[indigo siren]

I’ve been enjoying thrust for some perfectly timed pokes but will give riposte a go.

[fiery stratus]

What's psyker like for havoc now? Staves still good?

Purg has to be

[wraith sphinx]

pretty sure purgatus bubble shield is the go to as it has always been

I wouldn't know though, I just play gun psyker

[fiery stratus]

Sounds right. Not as many gunners but selective bubble with toughness regen is just good in general

[indigo siren]

Purgatus and bubble shield is the meta ATM. I’m havoc 22 and that’s my standard load out. It’s pretty essential for horde clear and keeping the fire off your team while they handle specials.

[fiery stratus]

Im trying to get all of my builds fixed and set up on all my characters. Right now I have auric meta for all staves, gunpsyker, fgs ect.

Need havoc builds for each character, also need to fix my ogryns builds

[dull scroll]

if it's for ds on psyker it's uncanny/agile/thrust

uncanny for crushers, thrust for muties, agile for getting the hell out of surround

[fiery stratus]

Yeah, I have all the weapons i need basically. I need to make a ds4 probably, but i like 2 more

[indigo siren]

Mark IV definitely has best pokes but it’s all about what you can play well.

[fiery stratus]

Yep, 4s still the best. I've used it pretty extensively, it just gets stale after a while. I still go back to it occasionally

[deft stump]

THus, Uncanny Agile. Poke crushers, dodge everything else.

[dull scroll]

you only poke crushers when you have no choice, generally it's best to kite it to teammates 😏

[fiery stratus]

Also gta 6 got delayed until may 2026

[deft stump]

[analog agate]

Meta hasn’t changed. Inferno or VB. Most run bubble but can do VS now. Agent does his bubble knight build

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve been doing BK too, it’s genuinely fun and works pretty well once you grok the loop

I was treating it like a peril spam slice at first which is completely wrong

[marble crater]

GTA 6 delayed to May 2026, very sad

[upper sun]

its gonna be the most over produced inflated slop in human history

[wary flax]

Another psyker on the team, but unlike me he was going down all the time, until he just ragequit.

[marble crater]

Imagine the shit show on the internet if it's actually bad after all the hype and delay

Worth it

[upper sun]

nah i think people would just lie to themselves and play it anyways

the memegame crowd doesnt care

[cloud night]

13 years
Another delay
No screens
No trailers

This has the stink of the fucking saints row 2022 reboot

They know they fucked up somewhere with gta 6

[wraith sphinx]

it'll be the same old, some will cope, some will throw a fit because hypetrain collides against reality

who cares

[cloud night]

Bc that reboot had little to no trailers or screens either

But honestly yea
Who cares
Its npc energy to worry about it atp

[lethal minnow]

So I'm bit late with checking balance for shredder autopistol. Is it any good on gunker right now? Atleast compared to infantry auto or recon las?

[wraith sphinx]

I think @weary idol mains it, or used to

[cloud night]

Autopistol's decent
Autogun still has better dps but autopistol is a decent sidearm regardless

[lethal minnow]

I expected this, but what about ammo economy? If it's noticably better then autogun I might want to try it

I changed to recon after the buffs, so I wonder how it would feel like with autopistol

[weary idol]

yeah

prob better than infantry auto most of the time

inspiring barrage is a serious lifesaver

[cloud night]

Autopistol's got the same ammo count as autogun?
Idr tbh

[upbeat kestrel]

ammo economy? roughly the same as vraks m5

[weary idol]

yeah 10 mags

almost identical mag capacity

[upbeat kestrel]

little less

[nocturne dust]

now hold up

[weary idol]

does less damage and is inaccurate but has higher suppression/stagger and much better blessings

[nocturne dust]

not if you hit your shots

The one thing shredder has over Vraks is mobility.

[upbeat kestrel]

stat wise i does more damage than vraks mk5 iirc

[weary idol]

and the suppression

and inspiring barrage

[nocturne dust]

yes

[weary idol]

and it shoots through hordes better

[nocturne dust]

but you don't need suppression when things are dead

and Vraks kills things

[nocturne dust]

eeeehhh dunno about that

[weary idol]

it has strength blessings

vraks only gets damage ones

strength makes the shots cleave more

[lethal minnow]

But what about ammo recovery from ammo packs? It's roughly the same? (In percentage)

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but their cleave is not high to begin with

[weary idol]

neither is the vraks

[nocturne dust]

and also

you're wrong

[upbeat kestrel]

just helping

[nocturne dust]

Autogun gets Deathspitter

[cloud night]

The fire staff psyker uses guns?
Nonsense

[lethal minnow]

This is the build for autopistol you are using as I can see. I will try it. Thanks for providing it

[nocturne dust]

Ammo packs will always fill the same amount percentage-wise for every gun

unless it's a very low ammo gun, in which case it rounds up

[upbeat kestrel]

small is 12.5% big one is 50%

ammo crate sets ammo to full

[zinc phoenix]

Havoc fiddles all that

[upbeat kestrel]

we are not discussing havoc

nor the game is balanced around it

[lethal minnow]

Huh, playing with numeric UI I often noticed pretty major difference between getting big ammo packs on different weapons. But maybe I'm just imagining that, then nevermind

[zinc phoenix]

News to me since the builds being discussed were havoc builds

[nocturne dust]

This is because gun ammo is stupid

and some guns use 2 bullets per shot

or more

for no reason

[upbeat kestrel]

didnt see that

[upbeat kestrel]

only lasguns

and plasma gun

[zinc phoenix]

Does the autopistol? I’ve never bothered to try it because it was so bad for most of the game

[upbeat kestrel]

no

[wary flax]

Saw someone on Twitter compare it to Duke Nukem Forever, which was also stuck in development...forever.

[zinc phoenix]

Well I’ll maybe give that piece of shit a go

[nocturne dust]

Sure, still stupid

[zinc phoenix]

But I just don’t think it’s that useful compared to recon las

Or vraks5

[nocturne dust]

I mean, the speed is very nice

[upbeat kestrel]

i mean sure the could just sllash ammo counts by 2 or 3 depending on the gun

[zinc phoenix]

The big targets to care about for the guns are specials, carapace and unyielding

[nocturne dust]

if you are a speed demon, sure, go for shredder

[zinc phoenix]

I’m pretty sure the shred just doesn’t perform as well against those unless you are point blank

[nocturne dust]

waiting for psyker to get big bolter

[zinc phoenix]

That’d be funny shit 😂

[nocturne dust]

They took our dueling swords, is only fair

[wary flax]

Psyker with Plasma Gun, perils plus heat together.

[nocturne dust]

Anyway, if you want to be effective, Vraks is many times better for damage and mobility, while fun, is not effective as long as you can outrun a boss.

Because in Havoc you're forced to stick with the squad generally if you're not throwing or being a filthy stealth user.

[weary idol]

autopistol lets you (relatively) safely push gunner swarms

[nocturne dust]

So does Vraks tho

[weary idol]

even if you fuck up and your toughness gets broken as long as you dont die you can just magdump with the autopistol and get full toughness back

[upbeat kestrel]

second thing autopistol has over autoguns

run n gun

built in

[nocturne dust]

That's still mobility

[nocturne dust]

This is only if you take inspiring barrage, and it will only restore 40% toughness after dumping an entire clip iirc

and that will naturally hurt your damage

[weary idol]

my damage is my force greatsword 90% of the time

even with vraks it is a secondary that I pull out very occasionally

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but boss damage is very useful in Havoc especially

[weary idol]

yeah like with the force greatsword

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, like with Vraks

[weary idol]

I ain't landing every headshot with vraks and wasting my ammo on that

when other classes have more reliable boss damage

[nocturne dust]

FGS is nice and all, but it's not that nice for boss damage

[nocturne dust]

What else are you wasting your ammo on then

cuz anything else either is dealt with using assail or needs FGS

[weary idol]

specialists because rando veterans have questionable intelligence

[nocturne dust]

use assail

or if you really need a gun, use recon

shredder remains not the meta pick

[weary idol]

assail is extremely inconsistent against specialists

[nocturne dust]

wat

no it ain't

[weary idol]

I have had it take 5 assail shards to kill a flamer on havoc 20s

just because it refuses to hit their head

[nocturne dust]

Aim up

[weary idol]

with max DD

and SG

and yes aiming up because Assail does not always hit the head

it can also just one shot them when it feels like it

if it feels like it

[nocturne dust]

It staggers either way, 0 issues

[weary idol]

staggered enemies are not dead enemies

[nocturne dust]

spam a couple shards of your infinite ammo tool in the ammo-scarce mode

[nocturne dust]

suppressed enemies are not dead enemies

Shredder also doesn't have the range assail or recon does, which is what you want for specialist hunting

[weary idol]

I haven't used Recon in a long time on my psyker so I'm a bit hazy on how it performs

[nocturne dust]

Laser pointer of death

[weary idol]

autopistol and brauto gun have been my recent most used

using Vraks again too

brauto kinda mid as fuck

shredder very good

Vraks also very good

[nocturne dust]

Brauto, yes

😭

Brauto my beloved will rise again

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[weary idol]

mid as fuck but ceaseless barrage instantly getting gunners to stop shooting at me is pretty useful

sometimes

[upbeat kestrel]

brautos have poor finesse no?

[weary idol]

yeah and negative crit chance

[nocturne dust]

I would say Shredder has only mobility going for it. Any time I actually want to be effective, I use recon or Vraks. The toughness is nice, but that's what assail is for and assail isn't limited.

It's not a bad gun, but it's just not the best.

[weary idol]

it sure is limited in situations where you need to get toughnes back more than once

or there aren't enemies that it kills in your face

bulwarks eating my assail shards is agonizing

kinda thing that keeps me coming back to bolt pistol gunker

just bleed them through the shield with force greatsword

[nocturne dust]

That's not unfair, but if you need toughness back more than once you may need to reposition and not try to fight, lol

[brazen rampart]

If youre using fgs just open them up and oneshot them lol.

[nocturne dust]

Doesn't work if they stack atop each other

[weary idol]

force push one bulwark

second bulwark runs infront of him

darn

I have barely used that push attack entirely because of this

[nocturne dust]

This is why staves are superior

[weary idol]

exact reason why the only staff I've ever used, or will ever use is voidblast

fuck bulwarks and the horse they rode in on

[nocturne dust]

Literally all staves counter Bulwarks

except Voidstrike 😭

Inferno can get caught on shields, but it's actually really hard to do and all you have to do to get around it is aim at their feet/heads

[brazen rampart]

Shrimply keep pushing them.

[nocturne dust]

and Electrokinetic doesn't even recognize shields exist

Poor Voidstrike

https://tenor.com/view/its-unsettling-how-the-tables-have-turned-danny-tanner-bob-saget-fuller-house-crazy-how-fast-the-tables-have-turned-gif-17868337

Back in my day, voidstrike was the meta staff 👴

Higher damage, higher mobility

well, single target damage is higher (by a lot)

and Kinetic Deflection works with both fyi

[weary idol]

if you finish it

[nocturne dust]

very slow, and it holds you in place

Deimos is the single target force sword, and it prefers using the h2 instead of the special

lotta fools

[brazen rampart]

That's because either they don't need it because they're good or they don't realize it has an insane amount of utility.

[wraith sphinx]

siblings that don't use kinetic deflection will never make it

[nocturne dust]

KD is so good, I don't have a single build without it

I could see an argument for trauma tho

[weary idol]

free revives provided there's no unblockables and you don't get shot to death

easy game

back in my day deflector blessing also worked on the revive block

[nocturne dust]

it should still 😭

[wraith sphinx]

teammates will love you for just walking up to them as they're surrounded by a horde and revive them without losing a single bar of stamina

[nocturne dust]

should also be built-in like the days of yore

Never forget what Fatshark took from us

[wraith sphinx]

and then you expend any of that gained peril on said enemies because you definitely have warp rider 😌

[nocturne dust]

If it's gonna eat a blessing slot it should at least be 360 degree protection and block overheads/sniper shots

[cloud night]

Deflector was built into the force sword back then?

[nocturne dust]

at one point, yeah

[cloud night]

Thats some horseshit they forced it into a separate blessing

[nocturne dust]

Cool magic class has to pay the blessing tax for their cool magic powers

[long wharf]

It was too powerful, so FartShack took it from us

Deflector was always a blessing

Since the open beta, at least

[weary idol]

it was alwys a blesing but during the betas it was bugged and force swords could block bullets by default

[long wharf]

I played in the open beta, don't remember that

[summer prairie]

Same, or closed beta but not like many people had a deflector during that

[long wharf]

True

God the weapon system was so god awful on release

[analog agate]

True. I never made it

[wraith sphinx]

it's over

[strange wyvern]

of course I usually end up as swiss cheese

Going on aurics while sucking, 10 pushups per down/death until I get some ASS

[long wharf]

sounds like you should finish sucking ass before starting to play Darktide

your partner will probably appreciate the increased attention.

[nocturne dust]

Just play Ogryn

e z

Bring cleaver, spam lights, win

[wary flax]

Blocking a million ragers with kinetic deflection while reviving someone and instantly getting one shot the moment the reviving finishes because it instantly stops blocking.

Tbf, maybe I shouldn't have revived someone with that many ragers nearby, but...well.

[nocturne dust]

you.... you can hold the block

[strange wyvern]

I really appreciate your optimism about thinking it was that type of suck

[wary flax]

The nanosecond the reviving process finished I got downed.

Can I hold block while reviving to keep blocking afterwards? I have no clue, tbh.

[long wharf]

yep

actually, no

[nocturne dust]

yes

[strange wyvern]

no lmao, you have a brief window of inactivity before you can act again

[long wharf]

I believe blocking will stop the revival

[nocturne dust]

no

I literally do it all the time

[long wharf]

you sure?

[young cliff]

Small question: is there a specific perk build that is focused on boss killing? Psyker feels quite geared for AoE damage over most else

[nocturne dust]

yes

[long wharf]

ok

[nocturne dust]

Absolutely sure

I would be dead a lot more otherwise

[nocturne dust]

Psyker sucks at boss damage

Your best bet is taking Gunker with Vraks

[plucky flax]

FGS and dd stacks.

[nocturne dust]

Inferno/EK are decent boss damage

[strange wyvern]

The build is looking at how much brain burst does to beast of nurgle before crying

[plucky flax]

When crit on weakspot with mk6 stab can hit anywhere between 7k~14k damage.

[nocturne dust]

Vraks is still better

[plucky flax]

Okay I don't use it so I can't say.

[nocturne dust]

but you won't ever be thammer/gunlugger

[plucky flax]

I can only speak from what I play.

[nocturne dust]

I play everything except 🅱️istol

[young cliff]

Honestly Brain Burst should be among the best single target damage dealing attacks but I feel is not

[plucky flax]

Bubble knight most boss damage 95% of the run.

[nocturne dust]

Is that bubble knight or is that you

[summer prairie]

it's 95% of people not doing good damage

[nocturne dust]

it's not

[plucky flax]

Just hit the monsters with fgs.

It's that simple.

[nocturne dust]

BB is trash

big sad

[strange wyvern]

It's stuck in this funny loop of damnation called "if it one shots ogryns and maulers it'll be op, if it doesn't it's too slow to be worth using" there is no in between

[young cliff]

Assail feels the one ok blitz, we need an update on Smita and BB

[strange wyvern]

Smite is busted but boring as fuck to play with for everyone in your squad and you

[wary flax]

I have a vraks set up for boss damage.

Deimos for hordes and armor, assail for specialists and some ranged damage in general, and autogun for bosses (and reapers).

[plucky flax]

Queuing up bubble knight againstp purple and red. Hope we don't lose.

[nocturne dust]

smite is fine, if needing adjustment to make it not the way it is

[young cliff]

Needs to be faster than now and be even faster when crushing the pox walker head

[young cliff]

Yeah, power wise is a lil overtuned but only on how uninteractive it is

[strange wyvern]

also bursting poxburster is a lost cause unless you pre charge the alt fire before they round the corner, if they're already in LoS left click will happen by the middle of their leap

[young cliff]

On that note, how strong is shredder gun gaze as boss weapon and speed stick for a meleker?

[young cliff]

If you lock into something that weak it should almost insta charge it, the time it takes is so long!

[nocturne dust]

Boss? trash. Speed? best.

[young cliff]

Is not that good? I remember it dealing good unyelling damage, and with cries/weakspots hits it has some good damage.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, it's a weapon.

[young cliff]

It used to not be one

[nocturne dust]

It's not bad, but it's not good at bosses all that much.

[strange wyvern]

dunno if it's just me but braced autoguns feel pretty shitty compared to just using the infantry version, even for horde clearing

[nocturne dust]

they are

[strange wyvern]

does bracing reduce the accuracy even more?

[young cliff]

Yeah B-Aguns are bad in my experience

[nocturne dust]

Brauto is my favorite gun and also really, really bad

[long wharf]

frankly, the braced guns could be removed from the game and nobody would care

they exist solely to bloat the number of guns in the game

[nocturne dust]

how dare you

You take that back right now

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/out-of-line-anthony-mackie-sam-wilson-falcon-the-falcon-and-the-winter-soldier-gif-21182970

[nocturne dust]

I would care

[wary flax]

I hate using braced autoguns.

They're so bad.

[long wharf]

well you're special, so.

[young cliff]

If we kill Brautos can we have light machine guns? Like REAL ones?

[nocturne dust]

No

[strange wyvern]

like there's nothing brauto seems to do that isn't just a slower shredder

[nocturne dust]

Well yes

[young cliff]

I'm afraid I can't use you as reliable source for this, you are biased I fear.

[wary flax]

They can quickly suppress reapers...that's about it.

And gunners in general.

Tho other guns will kill them all a lot faster.

[nocturne dust]

Well, the reality is Fatshark probably did use Brauto as a stand-in for a more general machine gun for non-Ogryns, and did it to save dev time.

[young cliff]

Brauto Vs rager horde= ded
Shredder Vs Ragers = laught at the stumbling stooges

[nocturne dust]

If they nuked it, they would not replace it.

Because, in the first place, it's a low-effort addition.

[strange wyvern]

Because after the first 3 shots the spread is so high the bullets shoot around the gunner you're aiming at

[jovial juniper]

Brace Graia 4 and keep shooting

[nocturne dust]

All they need to do is buff it anyway

[jovial juniper]

The spread is reduced past 70% of the spent mag

[wary flax]

Braced autoguns need like twice the magazine capacity.

[plucky flax]

Red and purple too hard for fgs 😦

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-okay-coping-technology-connections-gif-20618705

[nocturne dust]

no magazine

belt fed brauto

[wary flax]

Even better.

[strange wyvern]

So you need to dump 70% of your mag just to hit something?

[upbeat kestrel]

brautos,vigils, combat shotties need a look at

[young cliff]

They should be like the one in the perk tree art, by being fed with a belt of bullets

[wary flax]

Give us the guns gunners use.