psyker-class

[strong gulch]

Thanks for testing.

I wasn't talking about VB vs EK. I was saying VB on bon bon vs VB on the other monsters.

Which is still wrong of me after some testing in the meat grinder. VB does the same.

For some reason I thought VB still did slightly more to bon post explosion damage nerf.

IDK where I got that.

[zinc phoenix]

Woo havoc pugging rn is straight up horrible

[dusk void]

You don’t have to tell me twice. Died on a level 27. I don’t even wanna do my 30

[analog agate]

VB seems to do about the same dmg across the board on bosses

My only thing was the guy I was arguing with on reddit is full of shit. And I am stopping posting on reddit comments cause people are idiots

[strong gulch]

Ye. I didn't load up a DH or captain.

But all others including reaper were the same.

Also yeah, that guy was for sure full of it.

[zinc phoenix]

What are people running staff wise in havoc?

I’ve been doing blaze trauma or rend trauma depending

[strong gulch]

Inferno or VB are the meta staves

More EK than before depending on how the group is too.

Bubble is still meta but less "YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT"

[analog agate]

I only take VB

But yeah what Potato said. Psyker meta hasn’t changed

[strong gulch]

I love how even in high havoc, people are like "must get the whispering idol". lmao

[strong harbor]

heavy laspistol blessings/perks

and what mark?

[prime elk]

2

[prime elk]

Flakiac works. Desperado or Ghost and Dumdum

[analog agate]

You want unyielding. Flak or maniac can be the other. Laspistol naturally does more on flak so some don’t take it

And infernus and dumdum

Sirosky is giving veteran advice

[prime elk]

I don’t think infernus is great on laspis

Ghost is less useful for psyker, but still useful

Unyielding is a fine pick too

But I would never drop maniac

[strong harbor]

melee psyker

[proper osprey]

Inferus dumdum

Psyker is amazing with crit

And the laspistol has 15

[strong gulch]

gun and melee psyker basically share the same build

[proper osprey]

So we got 15, 15, 20

[prime elk]

If you want to use infernus, better off using recon las imo

[proper osprey]

15 from aura and node, 15 from pistol, 20 from gaze

[strong gulch]

Ye. Psyker crits A LOT, especially with SG + laspistol's innate higher crit chance.

[analog agate]

It is really good too for infernus

[prime elk]

Meh

Tried it before

[analog agate]

I like the mobility of the laspistol. And I just hipfire it while running backwards

[prime elk]

I like that about the laspis too

[upper sun]

@patent mango btw u can use mods to make him smol

[patent mango]

baby man little baby man

[strong harbor]

do i have to repatch for mods

also thank yall for the advice!

[patent mango]

every hotfix yea

[strong harbor]

bet

[patent mango]

3 plasteel

[analog agate]

Since I am clearly tilted by ignorant redditors I continued. The only thing I didn’t get was buffed VS since that requires DD which doesn’t activate in meatgrinder.

My builds versus Beast of Nurgle.

EK No buffs: 48 sec
EK with buffs: 39 sec

VB No buffs: 1:25 min
VB with buffs: 1:19 min

Inferno No buffs: 54 sec
Inferno with buffs: 46 sec

VS no buffs: 1:15 min

[zinc phoenix]

Big fan of mk2 infernus for meleeker. dumdum and infernus with unyielding/crit chance lets you delete reapers and bosses efficiently

Always mix em up

[strong gulch]

Inferno is funny, because you can do melee uncanny mixed in for faster clear time, but that is not pure staff.

[analog agate]

Yeah, you can get faster for that. In actual gameplay though (especially havoc) you may not have the luxury

[strong gulch]

There's mods now that let you stack buffs like DD. You can just have em. So annoying.

[strong gulch]

The reaper delete is almost silly.

[zinc phoenix]

It’s so good

I just zoom up to em blasting the head and they’re gone in bulk

“Oh no it’s not good against flak” bitch I have assail

Plus the draw time is extremely good

So you can pull and hipfire to disrupt annoying potentially dangerous stuff

[barren dome]

lag

[marble crater]

I understand diabolic now, reddit is talking shit about my beloved EK staff

[strong gulch]

I'm not looking.

EK is my favorite staff.

[marble crater]

"It's bad against high density"
That's why you use it with shriek and illisi, shriek at the horde and just turn around and focus on the elites

[strong gulch]

Bad at high density...

So is DS

[marble crater]

Clearly a shit weapon, buff Dueling Sword 🙏

[analog agate]

Needs more cleave

[marble crater]

reddit tilted me too now, I will go and watch Reacher

[analog agate]

I need to watch season 3. I skipped 2

[marble crater]

S1E6 now, maybe I will finally find out what's up with all that animal feed

[dusky crag]

God that post

"Which staff is the most niche"
I don't even play psyker and I knew instantly it was Voidstrike

"Ummm EK isn't good after the surge fix" shut the fuck up man what are you talking about.

[strong gulch]

Y'all got it wrong. Let them spread EK bad propaganda so it gets buffed,

[copper jay]

Mettle is not working... I understand better why I have some difficulties with Toughness regen...

[strong gulch]

Ye.

Gotta take soulstealer now.

[marble crater]

Mettle is kaputt again or still?

[elder glade]

Wait, is mettle actually not working at all right now?

[proper osprey]

Yeah it’s fixed

[analog agate]

Huh, I can't sign in to the game

[strong gulch]

Still. They fixed the crashing issue but the toughness gen is fecked.

[elder glade]

Oh, well then

[marble crater]

I didn't notice

Still not taking warp expenditure, stupid talent

[strong gulch]

Before the nightmare and visions patch, inferno could do fine with mettle and quietude. Now less so.

Other builds are basically not affected.

[copper jay]

I was Havoc 25 and I thought that was a Havoc Mechanic (and was jealous of Toughness regen of others classes)

[marble crater]

[strong gulch]

Bubble does help , but no not a havoc mech.

Would be rough

65 toughness and no regen

perfect play or die

[marble crater]

Not any different than playing with some pubs, one of those "if you get trapped the mission instantly fails" kinda pubs

[strong gulch]

So playing with me

[marble crater]

No, I'm sure you would have saved me from the ledge that the chaos spawn threw me over, instead of walking away to attack some poxwalkers, only for me to die

[strong gulch]

I would try to save

Unlike that bot you were playingw ith

[marble crater]

I swear, some people have negative situational awareness when it comes to their team

[strong gulch]

awareness hard

[marble crater]

I was right next to him

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/alice-in-wonderland-sigh-frustration-gif-25225329

[zinc phoenix]

Sucks when it happens but a nice ego boost 😂

[marble crater]

Yeah, also don't need mats or any penances where losing is a big deal, so I don't care either.
Very freeing and relaxing not having to worry about some penances

[proper osprey]

I’ve had those games

Yeah when the hard carry dies all of a sudden you gotta turn on your brain

[strong harbor]

i accidentally periled while my team was stil full hp

then they all started falling right after

[strong gulch]

I hope nothing was around when you exploded.

[marble crater]

[strong harbor]

mood

i was too trigger happy with assail

[strong gulch]

That'll do it

[strong harbor]

sadge

yunno

is there a way to boost peril explosion dmg

[strong gulch]

Wait. Like peril, I forgor that I made a gif.

[strong harbor]

[lone ravine]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[deft stump]

I wonder if that 20% damage boost indulgence works for it.

[strong harbor]

literally me

[strong harbor]

[lone ravine]

go try it out

rick and mortis mod

[strong harbor]

whenever i’m free

[strong gulch]

NO. I forgot to make the gif.

[strong harbor]

had to go out somewhere

[deft stump]

I mean, who knows.

[strong harbor]

max wound peril explosion build

[deft stump]

That's just martyrdom psyker. Old news.

[lone ravine]

crystaline will turned into a nuke when

amount of wounds increases dmg

[marble crater]

Blocking half this discord

[strong harbor]

what

[marble crater]

You are all crazy with your build ideas I want no part of this

[strong harbor]

[deft stump]

I see you hate me now.

[strong harbor]

innovation and experimentation pushes the boundaries of tomorrow

[strong gulch]

random build wheel enters the chat

[deft stump]

Okay. You hated my nonsense ever since I showed my vewy special psyker builds.

[strong harbor]

gonna try diff builds once i finish all classes to 30

[proper osprey]

True they are special

[deft stump]

The most boring is probably the assail, vent, ep one tbh.

[proper osprey]

The slop build

[deft stump]

More so if teammates can't deal with anything bigger than maulers.

[proper osprey]

My builds aren’t meta either

I don’t like er or kf

I use WE

[deft stump]

Because it was very fun soloing a pogryn with an Illisi.

Not.

[strong harbor]

sciers melee assail hell yeah

[deft stump]

No, it was throw shards slop build.

[proper osprey]

Uncanny, riposte, dd, and scries should fix that

[strong harbor]

DD fun so far

IF I CAN SEE MY STACKS

[proper osprey]

Plogryn easy

[deft stump]

It was just no damage.

[strong harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/trophy-frustrated-goal-mr-turner-fairly-odd-parents-gif-8888418

[strong gulch]

Wheel picker chose

Kantrael IL, knife, BB, CDR aura, shriek, warp siphon, Unlucky for Some

Someone can have it. I don't want it.

[deft stump]

2.5x hp pogryn while 2 idiots was scratching their bums somewhere.

And as said, assail, vent, ep build.

[nocturne dust]

Unlucky for Some
Unlucky for Everyone 😭

[deft stump]

This just sounds like BB the game if someone decides to do it.

[strong gulch]

random builds in trials

[deft stump]

I think you need to go to bed. Just check for sus streaks if you failed to catch your cats.

[nocturne dust]

Yo dawg, I heard you like RNG, so I put RNG in your RNG so you can RNG while you RNG

[strong gulch]

true and real

[fathom adder]

Extend Crystalline Will into a whole Martyrdom-type keystone based on Corruption (it's not heretical because it just isn't, okay?!)

but psyker already has 3 keystones
Easy, remove EP

[weary idol]

I remember someone bringing up crystalline will healing you to full similar to being revived

I think that could be neat if it also gives you extra wounds

warp yourself and sacrifice a wound if you know you're about to die to get a heal and explosion :)

[analog agate]

Don’t worry guys. I was also informed that ER is shit

[strong harbor]

smart

never thought about it like that before

[weary idol]

it doesn't actually do that

it was a hypothetical buff to it

[strong harbor]

o

tldr

i just read the end part

[raven mountain]

Or just leave it as is and add like one or two nodes relating to self exploding alongside CW, and you have pseudo martyrdom, but it's explosion related and doesn't interact with general damage stats, so it doesn't compete directly against scrier's.

New functionality without forcing change on what's already there.

[fathom adder]

Removing EP was a joke

[lone ravine]

remove EPs charges and just make it permanent fr fr, let me infinitely cast BB

[left hare]

Whats the top havoc builds rn

[analog agate]

Something like this for inferno

I can give you mine for VB. Some talents me be swapped around for different people

[left hare]

How do i play vb

Just circle myself with spam

[tired estuary]

when you hear a poxburster wait til somebody gets ready to push it then explode it next to them

[dull scroll]

player inferno, VB can be ruined by mods

[analog agate]

VB is more weapon swapping than normal depending on the modifier.

[tired estuary]

watch out for when players get near barrels too so you can kill them with those

[strong harbor]

[analog agate]

For red dudes. You heavy stagger them on ground and poke them (kill them) before they get back up

[tired estuary]

make sure to bring duelling sword and not bring it out to quickly kill single elites as well

[analog agate]

You can clear the way with VB as well by throwing things on the ground to get to purple healing guys

[left hare]

Whats the melee weapon options

Besides ds4

[tired estuary]

unfortunately you can't troll ogryns by mashing trauma at mobs in front of them to bodyblock them anymore

[analog agate]

VB is (imo) still better but requires even more attention/awareness than previous havoc

[strong harbor]

FGS FGS FGS

[left hare]

Fgs without the peril cleave node?

[dull scroll]

dagger, obscurus

[analog agate]

Deimos/obscurus/fgs would be your other picks

[strong harbor]

i joke, i’m lvling psyker rn and im melee

but since inferno is cc, maybe a single target focused force sword?

[analog agate]

I would run fgs with unstable and shred

[left hare]

I think i saw someone run riposte wrath

[strong harbor]

i use that

[analog agate]

Well, you said you are doinf VB though. Wrath is pointless

[left hare]

I c

[analog agate]

Riposte can work as you can utilize it for bosses

[left hare]

Is shred the chain attacks gets crit?

[analog agate]

Yep. Very good as long as you get your hit

[nocturne dust]

(as long as you stick entirely to the purpose of each weapon in the build and don't overuse FGS because you have too much fun with it)

[left hare]

Makes sense since the staffs handle horde while the melee is just st dmg

Nowadays i can pick up ogryns to do the st dmg anyway

For vb do i spam it or full charge it

[nocturne dust]

full charge

[left hare]

Is there a fall off from the centre

[nocturne dust]

yes

[left hare]

Or anything within circle gets full dmg and stagger

Ok

Whats the perk blessings

[nocturne dust]

The circle is the epicenter

Your explosion is vastly larger

Trauma good

[left hare]

Warp flurry and warp nexus?

[nocturne dust]

no

depends, do you want rending trauma or fire trauma

[left hare]

Oh theres rend on this thing

[nocturne dust]

yes

[left hare]

Can the fire do more dmg than purple aura

[nocturne dust]

I haven't checked

[analog agate]

My god redditors are stupid. I am still getting people commenting with shit takes. I have had to block 4 people

[strong harbor]

?

[analog agate]

Nothing. It was something from earlier today

[left hare]

I’ll try the rending one first

[nocturne dust]

then the rending blessing + warp flurry

[left hare]

The other is fire + warp flurry?

[nocturne dust]

no

blazing spirit + warp nexus

[left hare]

A fish for crits build

To spread burn?

[nocturne dust]

yes

[left hare]

Idk how much dmg the burn does to cara ngl

[nocturne dust]

nothing

[left hare]

Ok rending it is

[analog agate]

I don’t know how fgs feels in high havoc without right side nodes. Infinite cleave wave is nice I am sure. But it is a slow weapon and getting inundated by orange and red guys seems no fun

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you can kill crushers with soulblaze

....technically

but like

practically, it's not happening

you would need several minutes for a single crusher

[left hare]

Wipe reasons in havoc so far: 40 fucking bulwarks, 40 crushers and maulers, 4 bosses.

[weary idol]

clearly this is a sign that scriers gaze needs to be buffed again so it gives rending

[left hare]

So yea ima go with rend

[nocturne dust]

It's actually really good

It's 3rd best psyker weapon in Havoc, behind Trauma and Inferno of course

[left hare]

Ds4?

[nocturne dust]

No, FGS

Infinite cleave does infinite cleave things

[dull scroll]

the new havoc in ways favours stand your ground more, there's less room to move around than before

[weary idol]

it's ironic that the dueling sword 4 is overpowered

yet every class in the game that has it has an option that's considered better than it

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I would still pair ds4 with trauma

and inferno

[weary idol]

zealot relic blade
veteran power sword
psyker force greatsword

[analog agate]

Tis why I bring VB. So we can still move around and my teammates don’t inevitably get boxed in by armor/bulwarks

[nocturne dust]

FGS is 3rd best as a main weapon

The power in ds4 is it's a cracked sidearm

[dull scroll]

except if you get the red and gold mods, then VB is doomed

[left hare]

Does gold make them cc immune too?

[dull scroll]

no, but it makes VB not one shotting them anymore

[analog agate]

Yeah. That is where the talent comes in with using VB. VB is definitely harder to use than before. Not even mentioning the quell cancel removal that some people used

[left hare]

Ah so not the worst case scenario

[nocturne dust]

wat is VB one-shotting in h40?

[left hare]

Cos havoc everyone needs to stick together anyway due to inflated hp

[analog agate]

Still one shots horde guys

[dull scroll]

if they aren't gold regular groaners still gets one shotted, but if they turn gold 😒

[nocturne dust]

Imagine one-shotting things

[left hare]

For vb how does soulblaze work if i dont run the blazing spirit

[nocturne dust]

Sincerely, an Inferno player

[nocturne dust]

It doesn't

[dull scroll]

I am a full converted inferno cultiest now 🙏

[left hare]

Ah i gotta remove that

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-neat-part-you-dont-invincible-gif-27194608

I mean, you still get soulblaze from PC

[analog agate]

But gold is essentially just moebian to me

[nocturne dust]

and like... shriek if you have creeping flames

[left hare]

Does vb run empyric resolve

[nocturne dust]

ye

[analog agate]

Oh yes

[left hare]

Gonna have to not die even better then

[analog agate]

What level of havoc are you on?

[left hare]

40s

[analog agate]

40?

[left hare]

30-40

[nocturne dust]

Pretty sure all staves run ER at high Havoc except Shriek Inferno

[left hare]

Regularly

[nocturne dust]

deranking moment

[left hare]

Deranker moment

I would be 40 on my own if it wasnt for derank

[analog agate]

K. I would also recommend either taking battle meditation or inner tranq on your VB build. VB is also punished worse than inferno staff with the quell nerf.

[left hare]

Now i just snipe other 40s

[nocturne dust]

Eh, I still feel that's excessive

[sturdy reef]

VB is still fine

[nocturne dust]

Maybe try it with and without and see

[left hare]

Noted

[sturdy reef]

Ive taken it into 40s

[nocturne dust]

I never even used quell cancelling

VB wasn't touched, idk wat u mean

[left hare]

I hate quell cancelling so i never did it

[analog agate]

👏 Always 👏 Be👏 Blastin’ 👏

Oh I am not talking about quell canceling

[nocturne dust]

Rat says swap cancelling is more efficient anyway if you still want it

[analog agate]

I am talking about the increased time to quell havoc puts on you

[left hare]

Does trauma lmb do anything btw

[nocturne dust]

ah

[sturdy reef]

quell cancelling is relegated to peril management tbh

[analog agate]

If feels (and is) horrible on VB

[nocturne dust]

I don't feel that tbh

[sturdy reef]

it feels meh

Im okay with it

wish it didnt have to be

[nocturne dust]

Meh, it's fine for me, but I was never that hard of an edger or anything.

[left hare]

Trauma lmb any special properties

[nocturne dust]

I hardly notice the peril changes from Havoc

[nocturne dust]

no

[left hare]

Or just a special sniping tool

[nocturne dust]

Only Inferno has special lmb

[analog agate]

Slight stagger for shooters

[nocturne dust]

every other staff is just the same bolt spam

[sturdy reef]

my beloved lmb inferno nerf

😦

I loved taking ragers for a walk

[nocturne dust]

I mean... you can still do that

[sturdy reef]

not on demand

not as fadst

[nocturne dust]

Yes, on demand

Just lmb

Yes, as fast

Just lmb

The only thing that changed is the attack rate which lowers your damage output of the non-damaging attack on the damage staff

[sturdy reef]

not as fast as old lmb QV

QC

[nocturne dust]

Deserved

[analog agate]

The downside to VB in havoc is bosses. VB boss dmg is garbage so you can only contribute to bosses by swapping to ds4. While inferno can keep doing horde clear and dmging bosses

[nocturne dust]

Me soloing a boss with VB

[sturdy reef]

not saying it wasnt

just missed

[analog agate]

Aren’t you talented

[nocturne dust]

no

I am bad

😔

I just take +unyielding sometimes on VB

[dull scroll]

psykers can hold off entire horde solo in havoc, let the other classes bonk bosses 😤

[analog agate]

If only it was that simple

[nocturne dust]

Counterpoint: what if I held off the horde and bonked the boss while they deal with the other three bosses

[analog agate]

You can see my respect for the average pub player

I want them to tone down the full hp bosses. It is a boss rush and this iteration is not as fun for me. Imo

[dull scroll]

Counterpoint: what if I just solo'd the entire map

[analog agate]

I like the mutators though

[nocturne dust]

Plz

Carry me

🙏

[sturdy reef]

kinetic deflection tanking stonks

EZ ritual DH

[dull scroll]

I..ah, I can only solo entire map by myself, I can't when there's other people ahem

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-rock-gif-21708339

[analog agate]

Yeah. I may drop warp battery for KD on my VB build to tank bosses

[sturdy reef]

I dont think u really get value out of 6 charges tbh

[analog agate]

That was always my thought for KD 😄 But now that I may have to hold a boss down for a bit my mind is changing (for havoc only)

[sturdy reef]

I only run it in H40

since there are plenty of bosses

and psyker being able to use deflector and KD just butters the bread for your team

https://tenor.com/bL1Xn.gif

[wind spruce]

Kinetic resonance BB is alright

[analog agate]

I don’t know what point I would give up for KR in that case. But I have honestly never tried KR in havoc so can’t comment how useful I would find it over other things

[wind spruce]

Underrated talent imo

[analog agate]

Maybe I will try doing it instead of kinetic deflection

[strong gulch]

In 27 - 30, I've been liking EP BB with bubble because inferno is inferno.

Kinda degenerate tho.

[left hare]

does vb have boss dmg lol

i scrolled up

[weary idol]

I think the only warp related thing that has even passable boss damage is brain burst

bosses get huge warp resistance apparently

[strong gulch]

Purg with uncanny melee is most for warp

Just staff is EK.

But purg is not far behind while also handling hordes

[analog agate]

Since I am clearly tilted by ignorant redditors I continued. The only thing I didn’t get was buffed VS since that requires DD which doesn’t activate in meatgrinder.

My builds versus Beast of Nurgle.

EK No buffs: 48 sec
EK with buffs: 39 sec

VB No buffs: 1:25 min
VB with buffs: 1:19 min

Inferno No buffs: 54 sec
Inferno with buffs: 46 sec

VS no buffs: 1:15 min

VB boss dmg is garbo

But yeah, I was saying that is the downside of VB in havocs for sure

[strong gulch]

VB bad boss damage is why DS, knife, etc are popular pairings with the staff.

[shrewd comet]

is voidstrike just not good? i dont see it very often

[analog agate]

Contrary to reddit. Voidstrike is just ok. And it is not good on havoc

[left hare]

vb perks if i'm not going crit fire build

unyield cara?

[analog agate]

Flak and then either cara or unarmored

[shrewd comet]

not really looking to play havoc xD

[left hare]

flak cara ok

[analog agate]

Then it is fine

[shrewd comet]

i take it the other staffs outperform it pretty heavily huh

[analog agate]

Jah

Voidstrike needs to do something really well. Atm it doesn’t. It used to be able to one shot crushers, which was cool. And it could do it consistently cause of the way true aim procced

[proper osprey]

Purg has decent boss damage

Especially if you stack uncanny

[plucky flax]

I trust reddit more than this chat.

Pls buff psyker.

[sturdy reef]

I saw someone using Voidstrike in H40 alongside the FGS with the guaranteed per 15 sec perk

and +2 stam

was interesting

I didnt stay in the group

[left hare]

psyker should not have such weakness to corruption

simply make him sanctioned santic

[torn kernel]

Just solo the boss with an fgs like the emperor intended smh

[torn kernel]

What perk lmao

Wait don't tell me it's the dumb fuckin crit slash

[sturdy reef]

yes

it was crit slash

Voidstrike/FGS/Smite

very strange

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike very bad

It can't even one-shot bosses

0/10

[nocturne dust]

What's your Inferno build in the test?

and I assume 'with buffs' is with talent tree and not excluding Blaze Away?

[tacit stump]

what are best in slot guns for gunker

and sometimes the fgs feel really sluggish

[upbeat kestrel]

Any iag with vraks mk5 being the premiere choice. And then recon lasgun with 6c being the premiere choice.

[tacit stump]

6c?

[upbeat kestrel]

VIc

[tacit stump]

isn't that the medium one

[upbeat kestrel]

Yes imo the best

[tacit stump]

what about the rapid fire with infernus

or is that a vet thing

[upbeat kestrel]

It eats ammo eay to fast

Like vraks mk5 fast

With less damage to back it up

The rapid fore one is imo better on vet

[wispy bay]

Either the slug one or the horizontal spread one. The flame shotgun has too much spread, low ammo and the flame shot doesn't do much damage.

[quartz barn]

Tbh this depends on how you use it

[wispy bay]

At the range that you get max potential damage, you might as well change to melee.

[quartz barn]

Most of the time you see people dump into hordes which will take a third of your total ammo for no reason

[upbeat kestrel]

I dump it into elites

[quartz barn]

But if you combine it with fgs you can mow down in all ranges

[upbeat kestrel]

And if i have kill with ranged contract i usually take my column 8 iag or ball staff

[tacit stump]

i like the slug shotgun the most

feels like a semi sniper

[radiant frigate]

i like the fast reconlas

[upbeat kestrel]

Slug shotgun is the good shotgun

[radiant frigate]

most amount of burn for your ammo

[wispy bay]

There is the Vigilant semi auto and the revolver if you want semi auto sniper.

[radiant frigate]

i do not think that is what was meant

[tacit stump]

i mean you have thr option to snipe far away targets or blast closer specials and elites

[radiant frigate]

headhunter autoguns just feel weird

[tacit stump]

it competes with ilg and lp

[upbeat kestrel]

Vigil autos are fun

But im one pf those freaks who likes them

[tacit stump]

i like them aswell mostly the single shot variant

but then i think should i use it or the medium ilg

[upbeat kestrel]

Ilas are better for max ammo efficency

[radiant frigate]

headhunter autoguns don't really do anything i need

[upbeat kestrel]

I use vigil auto on vet for most part

[radiant frigate]

they're like a precision longrange weapon with godawful boss damage, as such shares a slot with voidstrike

[upbeat kestrel]

It just works really well with my build

[radiant frigate]

and voidstrike is voidstrike

[tacit stump]

i use ek instead snipe snipers with lmb

[upbeat kestrel]

Ball staff my beloved

[elfin mango]

why do i see more and more psykers with guns instead of Staffs? Beside its Heretic, are Guns so much more powerful than a Force Staff?

[upbeat kestrel]

Easier to use

[dull scroll]

at lower difficulties gun > staff

[upbeat kestrel]

With a certain build

[elfin mango]

i see it more often at Malice and Heresy

one player even called me noob because i played with the force staff instead of a lasgun

[upbeat kestrel]

Hehehehehhehehehe

Those people are stupid

[dull scroll]

imagine calling someone a noob in heresy smh

[elfin mango]

yeahh thought the same

why would you choose the heretic path

all 4 lvl 30, no deaths but calling me noob for using staff as a psyker

[upbeat kestrel]

If anything staves gain value with difficulty

[elfin mango]

but as i saw more and more playing with a gun i questioned myself if i missed something

[glacial vapor]

How dare you use magic powers on the magic class?

[elfin mango]

yeah i know

i should be punished by the emperor

[loud girder]

Real question is why are you playing on malice

[elfin mango]

i get it to use a gun at lower levels but pls not with power 450+ and on heresy

[elfin mango]

for a fast and calm run^^

[upbeat kestrel]

Psykers using guns is mostly on gunpsyker builds that juice the guns to extreme values

[elfin mango]

what? i never tried a gunpsyker build

didnt even think about it

[upbeat kestrel]

@weary idol please explain gunpsyker to this man here please

[plucky flax]

Sry was me

[elfin mango]

yeah pls explain it to me, why i should choose this pathatic path

[weary idol]

you get by far the highest damage boosts in the game, and the ability to just have bullets magically phase through you

[elfin mango]

of course Chaos blaming me....

[upbeat kestrel]

If anything it aint pathetic

[elfin mango]

okey so what a high level gunpsyker build i should try?

or mainly, which gun?

[weary idol]

it's literally just right tree

everything over there

[elfin mango]

allright

[elfin mango]

and which gun?

[upbeat kestrel]

For guns any infantry autogun gun you like or any recon lasgun younlike

[elfin mango]

okey get it

will try this build and if the next psyker calls me noob because i use a gun instead of a staff i quit lol

[weary idol]

any gun with super high finesse, or the recon lasgun

[elfin mango]

get it

[weary idol]

I would run it like this if you're new to the playstyle

[upbeat kestrel]

With mk5 iag and mkVIc recon being premiere choices

Revolver works

[elfin mango]

thx

[upbeat kestrel]

Boltpistol also

[weary idol]

you are very frail

do not get hit by anything bigger than a poxwalker you will not survive

[upbeat kestrel]

Youre a very much a glass cannon

[weary idol]

also pop scriers basically whenever there is anything even vaguely threatening

it has an extremely short cooldown

[elfin mango]

damned

[weary idol]

assail also draws nearly instantly so remember ot pull them out and chuck them in the middle of...anything else really

[elfin mango]

i mean nothing against a glass cannon

[weary idol]

assail shards stagger ragers and are very good at killing basic shooters and horde enemies

[elfin mango]

tbh this build sounds fun

if i have fun....i will blame you

[weary idol]

best guns for it would be infantry las, recon las, but laspistol and vraks iag especially

[elfin mango]

nice

[upbeat kestrel]

Any iag really

Agrip iag works really good

[elfin mango]

i will just test around and try out a few weapons

[upbeat kestrel]

Go ahead

[weary idol]

yeah if you're not in havoc gun psyker makes basically everything shred

it makes most things shred in havoc too

[upbeat kestrel]

Have you tested thw shredder after buffs?

[weary idol]

no, because I hated using the damn thing when it was overpowered too

[upbeat kestrel]

Ok

It worked suprisingly well on exe stance vet

[elfin mango]

allright thank you guys, will come back when i tried it

[plucky flax]

Huh mk12 recon surely

[upbeat kestrel]

Any of the 3 really

[dull scroll]

12 is generally the best, fastest firing, but can't stun specials like the other ones

[idle pond]

What is that

That looks like an gun psyker build that peeked into assail

But doesn’t use it

It’s

Weird

[patent jacinth]

You don’t really need assail’s aux nodes

Warp Splitting does your cleave just fine

[zinc phoenix]

The recharge speed is very nice

[patent jacinth]

And you aren’t trying to clear with it

[zinc phoenix]

It’s well worth getting

[patent jacinth]

Just eat specials and shooters or weave into melee

[nocturne dust]

the recharge speed is nice and I am unhinged and take assail without warp splitting sometimes

[patent jacinth]

Wait I just noticed the lack of warp unbound wtf is that

And an extra traversal node?

[zinc phoenix]

I also don’t personally go Sg without speed boost and warp inbound

[nocturne dust]

No warp unbound isn't that bad with gunker

[zinc phoenix]

Why warp expenditure if not investing into assail and going gunker

[patent jacinth]

Why does that build take a 5% ranged damage node

Instead of warp unbound

[nocturne dust]

I mean, the double small node is... interesting

[idle pond]

Why is there no battle meditation?

[patent jacinth]

Cause it’s bad

[idle pond]

It extends scriers gaze by a lot

[nocturne dust]

So does quelling

[idle pond]

On any other build sure but on gun psyker it’s good

[nocturne dust]

So does TTS

So does By Crack of Bone

You have vastly-better options

[idle pond]

You kill things and get free quelling

[patent jacinth]

It’s by crack of bone on a 10% chance instead of in weakspot kill

So

Terrible

[nocturne dust]

Ok, and what about when you run out of things to kill

[patent jacinth]

It’s just worse than by crack of bone

[nocturne dust]

Even in Havoc it's not that great

[summer prairie]

battle meditation is bad if you aren't infinite cleaving hordes

[patent jacinth]

And if you’re infinite cleaving hordes you’ve got other things that are better

[idle pond]

Where the fuck is by crack of the bone

I can’t find it anywhere

[plucky flax]

Next to warp splitter

[idle pond]

Ohh

That one

Still only applies in melee

And not on the gun

On gun psyker

Or the shards

[patent jacinth]

It’s still better than battle meditation

[idle pond]

You could also just have both

[patent jacinth]

Waste of a point

You’ve better things to take

[idle pond]

Not in that build

In that one it would be even cheaper

[patent jacinth]

Up there you have better options

Finally remember what I run

[nocturne dust]

This is a much more normal gunker build

wait, swap the 5% ranged damage small node for the tdr one

[tacit stump]

i hope they rework blitzes and fs special attacks for psyker

[idle pond]

True aim is an odd pick

[nocturne dust]

Not at all

[patent jacinth]

What I run

[nocturne dust]

Surety of Arms is actually odder

[patent jacinth]

That is the take of all time

[idle pond]

You already crit 90% of the time

[nocturne dust]

and?

[patent jacinth]

37%

[summer prairie]

true aim is only for assail

[weary idol]

guaranteed assail crit means guaranteed ~5 seconds of Empathic Evasion

since it procs it multiple times

[nocturne dust]

Surety of Arms actively harms you in Scrier's when you reload

For a lot of weapons, that's not very worthwhile just for reload speed

[patent jacinth]

Reloading is already really bad downtime in scriers

Adding more peril to it makes it worse

[tacit stump]

what is wrong about guaranteed crits?

[nocturne dust]

think you replied to the wrong person

[tacit stump]

yeah

still guaranteed crits are neat

[nocturne dust]

For one, the game isn't entirely RNG with crits

There's subtle RNG manipulation to make your crits unlikely to happen a lot and a little

(meaning you are extra unlikely to always crit and extra unlikely to never crit)

[weary idol]

ogryn never crit

[nocturne dust]

What even are Ogryn finesse values

[patent jacinth]

Bad

[upbeat kestrel]

Low

[patent jacinth]

Like 1.3 in a lot of cases

[upbeat kestrel]

Hstubber and mk6 ripp have the best

[nocturne dust]

oof

but even disregarding that

True Aim isn't taken because it's amazing or anything

in all likelihood, it's not going to matter much when you're ammodumping Vraks

but it's on the way to DD

and it's not surety of arms

[tacit stump]

i use agrapina instead

[patent jacinth]

It’s discount weapon spec

[tacit stump]

?

[patent jacinth]

True aim stacks in melee

5 headshots is a free crit

[upbeat kestrel]

Which turns into a couple crits because crit strings

[tacit stump]

what i would find funky is that by scriers all other peril sources would be deactivated like staffs, kd, or surety of arms

[patent jacinth]

Not for the weapons where confirm crits matter

[upbeat kestrel]

Ok

[tacit stump]

why has venting shriek so low cc

[nocturne dust]

cc scales with peril

Shriek at high peril and all the things fall over

[tacit stump]

mutants say overwise

[nocturne dust]

Mutants are not things

They are Mutants

[tacit stump]

or reapers

[patent jacinth]

Two of the most stagger resistant enemies

[nocturne dust]

It does stagger reapers iirc

[tacit stump]

maybe cause reaper was behind reeling

[nocturne dust]

is stagger

[weary idol]

did an auric maelstrom with it it's pretty okay

ran it like this

used it as a suppression stick a lot of the time, but boy does it shred maniacs

also does pretty good boss damage

and it gets generous crit chains and a lot of ammo with innate sprint while shooting so it's very handy for closing the distance on ranged enemies

[upbeat kestrel]

It you hit heads is kills gunners well

[weary idol]

it will suppress them, crit so you're immune to other ranged enemies, and will stagger them

[upbeat kestrel]

With school internet i will need to check this later

[upbeat kestrel]

So you still hate it

[weary idol]

but yeah definitely has a place in gun psyker just because of sprinting while shooting

you can just nyoom right up to ranged squads with zero fear

I'm so sad that it doesn't have inspiring barrage

oh wait it does I forgot I don't have it mastered

lmao

[upbeat kestrel]

Just the animations

[weary idol]

but yeah I would run this with blaze away+inspiring barrage

inspiring barrage would help a lot with that awkward gun psyker moment when you're being chipped down by shooters just far enough away for your assail shards to not be regenning you

(it'd also help because of its high mobility and high crit chance, but that's a bonus)

[upbeat kestrel]

Are scuffed

I does have inspo

[weary idol]

this is definitely a very good companion to a gun psyker with a force greatsword

it has super high mobility and good crit chance with high fire rate and good suppression

you can easily just have it in your pocket to delete specials/ragers at close range, and use it otherwise as a suppression stick to close the distance

[upbeat kestrel]

For my fgs build o use the revolver as special deleter

@weary idol so overall the autopistol is back to being usable or still trash

[weary idol]

it's definitely usable

but I'm not really an expert on gun psyker or this game

just a guy who plays gun psyker a lot

[upbeat kestrel]

By plsying a lot of it you gain experience with a playstyle

You may not be an expert but still a more knowledgeable person

[cosmic sigil]

hmmm last i checked the crit string was only 2

[weary idol]

probably just getting lucky

ig

seems to be a crit chain of 3 actually

very funny

[upbeat kestrel]

On vet with mmf and exe stance it killed scab gunners in 5 headshots?

Iirc

[zinc phoenix]

Auric mael is very easy these days

Idk why anyone would skip the speed upgrade for sg, it’s so nice and you can practically infinite sustain

[vernal temple]

wait, did I understand this correctly? once you reach havoc rank 40, you no longer get de-ranked?

[deft stump]

Assignment rank.

[vernal temple]

one would assume this would encourage h40 players to accept lower rank players on their mission, but nope, the havoc elitists still only accept you for a 40 mission if you are 40 yourself

[marble crater]

I don't think that change is live yet

[deft stump]

Learn to read though. The patch is at least next week.

[vernal temple]

I'm like Rogal Dorn, I can't read

[deft stump]

Strawhat even said to read the bolded bit on the forum post.

[vernal temple]

yeah, now I see it. hotfix #66, so next week

like I said

https://tenor.com/view/low-intelligence-specimen-aarav-cat-gato-not-perro-gif-25462194

[marble crater]

We will see if it changes in pubs, people still want to win, so probably not much will change

[deft stump]

Orange cats get away with having 1 brain cell by being adorable fluffy creatures though.

[zinc phoenix]

Idk I think a lot of people just want to play the game at this point 😂

[deft stump]

But ppl will be more willing to help lower. Though lower ppl just wanna do much higher to skip.

[zinc phoenix]

Like really who even cares about staying at max rank once you’ve got the cheevos

[vernal temple]

unfortunately I'm neither of those things

[deft stump]

Who knows, some ppl like being the best even when they aren't.

[tacit stump]

those stink

[deft stump]

Wouldn't really know, but yeah, next week to know what results from the change.

[deft stump]

Don't ask me, I wouldn't know. I only do havoc for the weekly boxes even if my issues are docket related nowadays.

[tacit stump]

i don't touch havoc

[zinc phoenix]

It’d be more fun if the party maker wasn’t so ass an experience

Wait five minutes to form a group, someone leaves, no hot join hero to replace

[deft stump]

Best is find a safe room and beg for help on Discord for a drop in if your FS code is on your name.

[zinc phoenix]

😂 no, I’m fine losing because I already unlocked the cheevos, I just want to play havoc with pugs without being crippled by them being themselves

“I died through rank incompetence despite someone sitting on top of me killing everything nearby, I must leave” 😂

[deft stump]

Ah. Well, you know pubs is like that. Is just playing harder pubs with no drop ins that might help you salvage the run.

[zinc phoenix]

And organizing things on discord is slow as fuck

The few times I played with you guys it was 10m+ of waiting

That is a huge chunk of my scarce time

Like adding a new higher difficulty AM called idk Nurgle C&B Torture with havoc modifiers would be ideal

[deft stump]

I don't think I have played with you though. But I'm usually just ready and peek into shops for maxed curios only.

[analog agate]

It was my havoc build. With buff just meant starting with stacked warp charges. No buffs just meant beginning with nothing. So yes, I was using blaze away.

The test originally was just to show an asshole that EK, in fact, does way more dmg to bosses than VB

[zinc phoenix]

Then I’d have a more fun game mode that includes the cool mods without having to deal with the god awful party system of waiting a long time for a human to do a worse job than a party maker

[zinc phoenix]

We did a few times. You spent a lot of time screaming whenever a crusher came near

It was a few months ago 🤷‍♀️

[tacit stump]

i want something similar to chaoswastes

maybe atoma raids

[dull osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-kid-gif-19596970

[deft stump]

Few months, that was when I basically started. I barely remember.

[tacit stump]

as shade in chaoswastes i gonna stab monsters

[deft stump]

Either way, not much can be done barring just scrapping havoc. Cos nobody wants to eat a derank because a drop in decided to search just barrel throw or so then leave.

[zinc phoenix]

And that’s fine, I just think the rank system is more friction than it is worth

Like we’ve got ranks but we lost the ease and speed of just getting games and accepting that we’d lose sometimes

The people who said auric maels were too easy a year ago were right, but idk that this was the solution they or anyone else wanted

[deft stump]

Yeah. Friction just ain't worth it. Splits the playerbase even more tbh.

I think what they wanted is a mix of auric with the buffs enemies get while everything else stays normal.

Very low ammo means nobody gets to really shoot bar the designated shooter.

[twilit orchid]

Is it just me or does defy fate seem a bit hard to practically achieve. Just due to the fact it has 0 synergy with allies inevitably damaging or killing your marks

Feels like it doesn't work in a game designed for team play

[deft stump]

It's defying fate with extreme luck.

They made it easier since marks tend to be closer now.

[twilit orchid]

Even if it was to be made a node. Something like a 25% chance for ally kills on marks to still count for you would be nice

I like the theme of it, but forgetting the penance I can barely stack it

[glacial vapor]

Not really, you don't need them to be consecutive seconds over time

Only took me a few games

[marble crater]

If you are having trouble with it I would just make a gunker or voidstrike build with assail and then just play. Use the 10 second node and weakspots give more stacks, play normally

[glacial vapor]

Launch assails at anything that glows lol

[clever brook]

can someone tell me how many jumps smite does(full charge) and if the +1 is simply 1 more target??

[nimble laurel]

for the blaze force sword is there some gimmicks like some of the staffs where you only want to upgrade it to a certain point?

[glacial vapor]

Some people have low warp res for faster peril gen

[deft stump]

If you mean warp resist dumping more than usual, you can do that.

[nimble laurel]

yea so what would be the most "optimal" force sword and what's the difference between that and just dumping mobility and moving on

[marble crater]

It's not that it's one more target, smite targets a few enemies and then splits up to target more enemies from there. The node increases the targets by one. So it jumps to one more target from every split, meaning it spreads a lot of quicker and also further

If that makes sense

[glacial vapor]

I would personally just dump warp res and move on. Difference isn't big. You don't even use the special outside of Illisi

But mobility will also work fine, if you have one already

The 20% warp res swords are for min maxers building peril

[marble crater]

Dump warp resistance, it's useless on force swords

[nimble laurel]

do you then only level it up until the other stuff is maxxed?

[marble crater]

If you want a little bit of extra peril you can stop at that point, but it's definitely not worth the dockets to try and get one with low enough warp res and high enough other stats

If you are new just craft one with 60 warp res and 80 everything else, same for the staves (except voidstrike)

[nimble laurel]

all good just spent 200k to get a decent one

[marble crater]

Nice

[twilit orchid]

It's not consecutive? Guess that makes the penance far easier. I thought it was 3 minutes in one go

Or well basically a whole mission

[marble crater]

Nah, Disrupt Destiny is just total amount of time at max stacks

[glacial vapor]

Nope, just play the game

[nimble laurel]

never played gun psyker + sword. lets see how this goes

[marble crater]

The Warp Charge penance is consecutive, but also easier to keep at max stacks

[twilit orchid]

That's far easier then

Guess my real trial is getting cliffhanger to work

Or more so getting people on vigil station or elsewhere that don't just spray and explode any density of chaff greater than 3

[marble crater]

#psyker-class message for cliffhanger I suggest the video

[twilit orchid]

I've looked at them, I might be better off with the first one. If I can remember where it is

[loud girder]

https://tenor.com/view/vinesauce-earthworm-meat-msn-vinny-gif-26335063

you'll still suck painterrrrrrr

[nimble laurel]

i know where you live

[loud girder]

come over

[nimble laurel]

stop stalking me and get to work

[loud girder]

already at work

[nimble laurel]

you dont even have a psyker

[loud girder]

just busting yo balls

[marble crater]

Chasm Station Assassination mission, towards the end

[twilit orchid]

That one seems the most achievable

Probably my most disliked penance alongside make every shot count. But that's just because I can't see accuracy rating

[nimble laurel]

you were right

im dying to mortis

[loud girder]

we play in a couple of hours

[nimble laurel]

mashallah

[cosmic sigil]

ohhh that was not in the patchnotes @buoyant maple ?

[obtuse walrus]

Scriers Gaze Greatsword got me feeling like an anime Protagonist

The way I'm cleaving through the hordes

[strong harbor]

fr fr

also with some DD stacks, you start to really kill everything under crushers or bulwarks in 1-2 swipes

[lone ravine]

what kinda build you have for melee psyker?

[zinc phoenix]

Here’s how I been running it https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9ea28889-f288-4a80-a31b-f80c5189b7ab

I just zoom around deleting

Stopped carrying kinetic deflection because I got stam on my stam so I can stam while I stam

[strong harbor]

i don’t see anything

KD is godly

[zinc phoenix]

The build editor makes it a PITA to see what you’ve actually picked

Look for the slightly whiter circles

KD is fine imo but if you stack stam and stam regen because you like running all the time… it is much less appealing

[strong harbor]

oh i’m p much running the same thing

but grabbed the cdr aura instead

[zinc phoenix]

Also being able to stay perma SG while shooting is worth it for boss and reaper deletion

[strong harbor]

and maybe less points into assail

[zinc phoenix]

I think the CDR aura isn’t as good as stacking crit chance for mettle and empathic evasion

[strong harbor]

fair

and SG does come back relatively fast enough

i’ll give it a shot later

i was running whatever dead void sent and it’s been working so far

[zinc phoenix]

Also when im fully stacked on mettle and have SG on I absolutely zoom

Pull out the laspistol and outrun dogs 😂

[strong harbor]

tho i changed the movement speed on SG for dr but might switch back since DD gives enough toughness back anyway

[zinc phoenix]

DR is very low value on psyker imo

You cant stack enough DR + toughness to get to impressive results

By contrast you can stack so much speed you can escape any situation so long as you don’t let yourself get boxed in

[marble crater]

Ask 4 psykers and you will get 5 slightly different gunker builds

[zinc phoenix]

And IMO that’s a sign of a (finally) healthy class

We have a situation where there’s a core build that is pretty good + a lot of optional, preference driven picks to tailor it to taste

[marble crater]

Yeah, it's nice

[zinc phoenix]

Like I’ll fully admit there’s a solid argument for switching assail shard recharge to warp expenditure, stacking DR, going KD and dumping stam stuff for HP stuff to get an overall more durable meleeker

But I don’t think that’s as fun or as lethal and I love the mobility. I can cross a wide area at incredible speed to rescue people from bad situations, it’s to me a lot more useful than being more durable personally but a lot slower. Striker vs tank I guess

[buoyant maple]

it's been 3

[zinc phoenix]

Meleeker battlecruiser variant 😤

Oh and I can outrun crusher overheads which has saved me an unbelievable number of times 😂

[cosmic sigil]

you are so right

[marble crater]

Maybe I will try speed instead of... I don't know what yet

[zinc phoenix]

Also I’m like 90% sure that I’m playing this game because I love fgs so much 😂

I was overall meh on the new content and am so over party finder pugging for havoc but carrying maels with fgs is immensely satisfying

[analog agate]

Speed node on SG feels great. And, imo, a must when using fgs

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah I lock that in and switch to laspistol when I want to move

I’m tempted to try a full tank fgs build but every time I try it it just feels soooo slooooooow

[marble crater]

Full tank fgs build is called relic blade zealot

[analog agate]

Full tank build until you run out of dodges and the weird momentum thing happens with fgs and you get stunlocked into a mauler/crusher overhead

[marble crater]

Positioning issue

[analog agate]

Happens to me more than I like when using my EK with fgs

My one downside. I don’t even move or dodge. And yet, when I try, I barely move

I really hate it if it is a true feature

[zinc phoenix]

Yah I gave up on that build concept, it’s cool but I am not able to manage it either

You can’t reposition so you need to be perfect with fight planning

[analog agate]

Yeah

[zinc phoenix]

I am not 😂

[analog agate]

Why I also use a laspistol on melee build lol

[upper sun]

beast of nurgle

[strong gulch]

Do it. Speed buff on FGS feels good.

[marble crater]

Maybe I drop PC

[strong gulch]

I'm against dropping PC, especially after the buff.

BUT it is not the most important thing on a gunker build.

[marble crater]

This is my current one, there is definitely something worse I can drop instead, but I don't think I want to

[strong gulch]

You could try dropping quick shards.

[analog agate]

I just don’t use soul stealer like a heathen

[summer prairie]

quick shards way more damage than pc

[strong gulch]

Also try having one of quietude or soulstealer instead of both

if you really want to work in PC and speed buff.

[marble crater]

I think PC will have to go

[strong gulch]

Depending on what you use more of, you could prioritize ranged or melee quell instead of both to keep something.

Yeah PC is not the biggest thing for right side.

[analog agate]

I don’t have the mod to see how many DD stacks I have so never sure if cruel fortune is worth it for me to take. I have it atm

[strong gulch]

It's a notable difference for me to have cruel fortune.

I'm not the most aggressive or focued player tho.

[marble crater]

I never see DD stacks either, maybe I never have any. Who knows

[analog agate]

I used this yesterday for two aurics and it felt nice

I have been getting into a lot of assail weaving

[marble crater]

Now that using assail is fun again

[zinc phoenix]

ive been tempted to dump fire for pierce but i love the fire

just had an AM where the team all died and i got trapped in a small room with a billion snipers and flamers outside

id kill a ton of stuff and then more flamers or snipers would spawn and trap me back in the room

finally died when two pogryn spawned and came to double team me in my house

its good corpses despawn or i'd have been buried in bodies, i was stuck in there for like 10m

[analog agate]

Happened to me on Logistratum yesterday too with a very similar situation. All goes well till a boss, even weakened, dislodges me from a my position

[formal stump]

I wonder, at higher havok levels do people also constantly shoot at pox bursters when someone is close to them?

[analog agate]

Not in my experience, at least in current high havoks where most people aren’t totally braindead. Bad? Could be. But not braindead

[marble crater]

When it happens then usually because they didn't hear it

[formal stump]

In almost every game there is a vet that will just not let go of LMB and I'm wondering if it's because blowing up poxbursters is the only reliable way of griefing

[marble crater]

Which difficulty?

[strong gulch]

barrels

dumping agro with stealth too

[formal stump]

Oh right barrels

so two reliable ways

[marble crater]

Dodging crusher overheads into them

[formal stump]

I wouldn't exactly call that reliable

[strong gulch]

Zealot speed running ahead but doesn't kill anything you the whole map agros onto you.

Then they also spam hurry up while they are at the end waiting.

[formal stump]

Alright fair enough although I've never actually seen that happen

[marble crater]

Then get trapped and leave

[strong gulch]

I wish

bro just waited

[formal stump]

For me it's always Ogryns who do that shit

[marble crater]

I block every speedrunner

[strong gulch]

This is specific to zealot on a certain map with no air locks

[marble crater]

Aegis Station my beloved

[formal stump]

I suppose that makes it only reliable on that specific map

[strong gulch]

but also ye

I've noticed more Ogryns doing running simulator

[formal stump]

Ogryn with boom gauntlet or grenade launcher and zero awareness

[marble crater]

You can still rush ahead without killing enemies, just less worse for your team, but still bad

[timid lily]

Is it just me, or did they break the tooltip on Malleus Monstronum penance? It no longed shows 50 percent, just "50 of its health" 😄

[broken carbon]

lmfao

holy fatshark moment

[marble crater]

Lucky you, the penance was never this easy

[broken carbon]

back in my day it was 90%..

[timid lily]

[marble crater]

In my day too, the younger generation has no idea how good they have it

We had to do penances in the snow and up hill, both ways

[plucky flax]

Did it not used to be 100%?

[deft stump]

Is still 50%.

[timid lily]

Could be mods I'm using breaking it

[lone ravine]

how would your mods break using brain burst til you deal at least 50%

[timid lily]

I was talking about the description of the penance, not penance itself

[deft stump]

No, text is broken. But is still 50% bb damage.

Some newer players got fatsharked by the description lul.

[timid lily]

Yup, uninstalled mods, text still broken

[analog agate]

Correct

[plucky flax]

I did it when it was 100%

[strong gulch]

It was 100 then 90 now 50

[plucky flax]

Im pro

[analog agate]

I had some very nice guys allow me to do it too.

[vernal temple]

I remember doing that when it was 90%

but basically killed the boss solo

[analog agate]

That armor was coveted back then

[strong gulch]

I finally got around to doing it when it was 90%. I almost had it before, but a an ogryn threw a box at the boss at the end so I didn't get it.

I can laugh about it now.

[analog agate]

Lol

[long wharf]

wait, it's only 50% now??

[strong gulch]

ye

[dull scroll]

to be fair heresy boss is 😂

[marble crater]

Always has been, for several months now, maybe a year already

[dull scroll]

but 100%, imagine your buddy accidentally nicks it with melee

the horror

[lone ravine]

random gunner friendly fire

Or a barrel

[long wharf]

that's why you used a shield ogryn

or someone really good at kiting

[strong gulch]

When psyker KD and non-force passive quell was extra broken for blocking DH.

[fringe robin]

@dull scroll Hey, not sure if you remember me but ty for your advice on the voidblast staff. Currently on Hav 37

[lone ravine]

Wait they removed the passive quell?

[strong gulch]

No. we still have it. The passive quell was much more agressive back then.

[dull scroll]

err thanks but what advice did I give? I swear I remember telling ppl now to not use VB 🤔

[lone ravine]

aw so it’s not enough to entirely block a DH with no stamina dmg

Or is it still

[fringe robin]

LOL I think I asked you 2 weeks ago about VB and what blessings you ran on it. I think at the time you completed Hav 35

[dull scroll]

wait I remember now, you pulled 2mill with rend? LOL

[strong gulch]

Not anymore. You have to quell at some point.

[lone ravine]

dang

[fringe robin]

I switched some things up with the advice you gave me

[broken carbon]

ah right

[upper sun]

it was a 101% aktually

[fringe robin]

never fully explored VB, but I run 50/50 purg or VB now

[plucky flax]

big tru

[dull scroll]

yeah that was week 1 I was using rend, then went with blaze because the new self cook interaction, now purge because it doesn't get screwed over by mods

[fringe robin]

this has been exactly my experience as well. I went from rend, to blaze, to purg lol. It seems like my melee heavy teams do like VB, it's the only reason I run it. Otherwise I prefer purg now

[summer prairie]

28k SB damage with non-SB trauma bubble, PC being very useful

rampaging nerfed it further though

[prime elk]

Soulblaze buffed, now we just need to buff DS

[marble crater]

First game with speed bonus gaze I had 10 fps the entire time, so couldn't enjoy it. It's not meant to be I guess

[prime elk]

Doesn’t matter, speed bonus always worth it

[marble crater]

Not if I can't notice it

I got scammed

[analog agate]

Console pleb

Just get a 9800x3d and 5090 like the rest of us

[proper osprey]

Maybe a 40 off eBay or something

Not a 50

[analog agate]

Getting the 4090 at launch was the best purchase in electronics I will probably ever make

[proper osprey]

Probably the worst Nivida launch ever

[prime elk]

lol imagine only have a 40XX. What a pleb.

[marble crater]

I blame the hotfix, it was fine before

[prime elk]

What’s a GPU if it can’t have 4x the fake frames

And potentially set your house on fire 🔥

[proper osprey]

The x2 is literally good enough you gain nothing from the x4

[upper sun]

@patent mango maan im not a fan of the writing in rogue treader you dont get a chance to say the most obvious answers like ||yrliet may have kidnaped me and set me to a fucking torture city but thanks to her we rescured a space marine so i am not executing her||

[deft stump]

Send me a 5090 then.

[proper osprey]

Also the 4080 Super compared to the 5080 is 3%

[analog agate]

I wonder how the fake frames are with reflex 2.0 or whatever it is called

[prime elk]

Yeah just memeing. For a number of reasons I’m skipping this generation

[proper osprey]

Nivida smoking crack

[analog agate]

Cause regular multiframe is completely fine with reflex

[proper osprey]

I know lol I was just saying

[pastel turtle]

Trauma Soulblaze crit build. Any changes or things I'm overlooking?

[summer prairie]

I'd drop 6 charges for kinetic resonance maybe

[prime elk]

KD is a crutch. Take wildfire instead.

And yeah six charges is overkill imo

[summer prairie]

and havoc trauma without Empyric Resolve feels a bit painful

[pastel turtle]

The "cannot gain more stacks than dying enemy had" dissuade me

[pastel turtle]

How so? I feel like it brings the shield back faster and it's a considerable damage boost over 4 warp charges

[left hare]

I guess i need to weave myself off kd