psyker-class

[wooden sand]

Warp?

Where?

[nocturne dust]

Normally, yes

I mean, I tend to drop it

but I'm unhinged

[weary idol]

gun psyker should be buffed so that they can generate bullets from the warp

maybe an assail node that makes gunshots consume assail charges first but reduces assail charges (or makes them come back slower)

[deft stump]

Shoot with peril.

[nocturne dust]

Bro, I wish gunker was actually interesting

[weary idol]

assail stonks

[nocturne dust]

Nah

[deft stump]

Peril cost scales with max ammo.

Lower uses more.

[nocturne dust]

Kill Scrier's dead and replace it with something other than 'more damage for u'

like infinite ammo burst mode

[deft stump]

This is just shooting with peril.

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[dire orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/power-starwars-unlimited-power-gif-15939349

[nocturne dust]

[deft stump]

Psykers can still shoot when out of ammo at peril cost with a node.

Shots made with ammo do more in some way.

[weary idol]

what are we, gunluggers?

[deft stump]

Have to think that up but eepy.

[weary idol]

actually recon lasgun+kinetic flayer is like

iconic gun psyker shit right

[nocturne dust]

not... really?

[weary idol]

shush it's what I think about when I think of gun psyker

[nocturne dust]

no think

Only kill

[weary idol]

what if scriers procced a slightly weakened version of your equipped blitz on ranged hits

[nocturne dust]

Would be cool which is why it will never happen

[deft stump]

Could be too Op tbh.

[weary idol]

or have scriers mark targets like DD and it functions somewhat like Wisp's Breach Surge from warframe

[strong harbor]

oh lord

[weary idol]

AKA her only interesting ability

[nocturne dust]

her strongest ability

[weary idol]

smack enemies to have assail shards fly out of them and kill other enemies

[deft stump]

Could be BOTH you know.

[weary idol]

with the shards doing more damage based on how much overkill you do :)

[deft stump]

This is just new Earthshaker.

[weary idol]

what the fuck is an earthshaker

[deft stump]

You bonk super hard and slams the corpse into other enemies behind.

[nocturne dust]

I assume it shakes the earth

[deft stump]

Deals %HP damage+ a base.

[unborn flicker]

Man brain burst is just sooooo not worth it

Why would anyone ever run it

It takes 3! 3! to kill a carapace enemy. One enemy.

[nocturne dust]

You take it because KF and not because BB

[elder glade]

The majority of the time its to either just delete one specific elite from a distance, to trigger kinetic flare, or to just get to psykinetic aura

[nocturne dust]

Flayer

[elder glade]

I only just realized its flayer

I'm pretty sure I've been saying flare for forever now

[unborn flicker]

...so the blitz is only good for a thing that activates once every 15 seconds and doesnt one tap the enemy it triggers on

[prime elk]

it's fine

fatshart buffed assail, because that's the underperforming blitz

so BB is clearly fine since they didn't touch it

[nocturne dust]

KF is affects by weapon perks and blessings

so it is stronger than BB

[unborn flicker]

Its bad man, it needs a rework, the only viable blitz is smite and its so passive

[nocturne dust]

BB is bad

but Assail is not

[unborn flicker]

I hate to say man, but psyker is in the pits rn

[nocturne dust]

[unborn flicker]

We are glass but not cannons

[strong harbor]

feel kinda proud

[prime elk]

insane fucking take lol

[elder glade]

Yea, buff scrier's gaze again

[strong harbor]

got the “not hit by enemy elites 3 missions in a row on heresy +” penance

[nocturne dust]

I agree, we really need another Scrier's buff

[weary idol]

most people here would argue smite is their worst blitz

[prime elk]

i think BCOB is due for another buff

it should just quell all peril instantly

[weary idol]

BB has Flayer because hey free damage is free damage on a staff build

[unborn flicker]

It at least keeps a huge portion of the enemies stunned for a decent amount of time

[weary idol]

Assail is genuinely useful for gun psykers to conserve ammo and stagger enemies

Smite is most of the time directly worse than just using your staff/melee weapon

[unborn flicker]

it offers a decent time to power percentage

[weary idol]

If you want to stun everything and still deal real damage just use trauma staff

If you want to just skip the stun part and kill everything (except carapace) use inferno staff

[unborn flicker]

You can stun far more with smite

Once again, I dont like smite

but as far as blitzes go, I think its the current best

[nocturne dust]

Someone doesn't know how to use Trauma

[weary idol]

yeah...trauma probably has more CC than smite does

Smite is only even usable with EP

I only ever take it on ONE EP build, and for pathing to psykinetic's/malefic

It's not worth using unless you are specifically building to use it

[deft stump]

Just kill stuff also works, I guess.

[weary idol]

Which can't be said for Assail/BB that both do useful things even if you aren't building for them

[unborn flicker]

Thats cap

[nocturne dust]

In the hands of an experienced player, psyker is one of the strongest. In fact, many tryhards want psyker nerfs (tho that's kinda dumb in some ways imo)

[deft stump]

Wot.

[unborn flicker]

Thats crazy

[weary idol]

Venting Shriek, and Inferno/Trauma staves 100% need nerfs

[deft stump]

The cap is the radius from memory.

[nocturne dust]

They're not wrong

Psyker is extremely strong

[weary idol]

actually fucking annoying to play with people using them

just turns the game off

[nocturne dust]

I hard disagree with that

Inferno isn't even that strong outside of Havoc

[deft stump]

Just join 3 vet games then.

Then deal with 3 ppl fighting over ammo.

Or 4, if you go gunker.

[elder glade]

specifically a gunker with PA

[weary idol]

I play gunlugger ogryn entirely because it's funny to see bolter/plasma vets panic as they realize "oh shit I have to melee things"

[deft stump]

I just play a vet who only picks ammo if everyone else is full.

[dull scroll]

smite turning the game off WAAAAH inferno VB vent turning the game off WAAAAAH

ppl that like to melee things so much just queue a 40 without psyker

[strong harbor]

[dull scroll]

enjoy endless horde and stuck in the same place for 10 min

[torn wren]

imagine being that bent out of shape about how other people play a video game lmao

[strong harbor]

scier gaze and fgs has been fun so far, thx @nocturne dust

[nocturne dust]

I mean, it is a problem if a single build is killing everything before other people even get to play

Inferno does not do that due to how stacking works

Trauma does not do that due to how staff charging works

[deft stump]

If their playstyle is trolling by constantly trying to barrel or kill teammates via bursters, then yes, totally right to get upset then.

Otherwise, don't care.

[torn wren]

Yeah im more referring to the guy who has a rod stuck up their ass about people playing smite or flamestaff

[nocturne dust]

Smite does not do that, but smite does turn the game off and is kinda boring... until a boss spawns

[wind spruce]

Nerf everything

[nocturne dust]

Nerf enemies

[wind spruce]

[deft stump]

It can be boring to some, but if they start from lobby, they can choose to just leave if they see those.

[wind spruce]

They should really nerf precog so it's less bait, too many people nuking their builds, feels bad man

[torn wren]

i know it’s not directed at you lol

[deft stump]

So Heaven vs Hell, let's rock? Everything nerfed to be slow and 1 hit, everything has 1 hp.

[torn wren]

Referring to the guy who plays gunlugger just to grief others out of ammo

Because he doesnt like the way people are playing

[weary idol]

oh I'm sorry that I don't like someone blidning me with their dumb ass hold left click to win weapon

[torn wren]

🤓 moment

i think grass touching is necessary

[nocturne dust]

then why are you playing gunlugger

[torn wren]

^

[nocturne dust]

fully automatics go bbbbbbbrrrrrrrrrr

[weary idol]

because gunlugger doesn't blind people, and also I use Mk6 ripper

[deft stump]

I know. But is more, dunno why they can't just leave till they find a 4 gunlugger squad and then complain no ammo themselves.

[dull scroll]

get the mod the make inferno invisible if you have sensitive eyes, and you can host lobby not accepting psykers

[weary idol]

and gunlugger lets people play the game expressly because of that ammo requirement

[torn wren]

god forbid anyone play the way they want to

[weary idol]

inferno psykers can be holding that left click at literally everything

it's why they're still the only fuckin' people that I do not trust True Survivor titles on

[nocturne dust]

I mean, technically it's holding RMB

and really, they have to charge to do effective damage

so they do give you moments to fight

[torn wren]

the salt is unreal

[nocturne dust]

and also they have to quell sometimes

and also also, it's a DoT weapon

[dull scroll]

WAAAAAAAH WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

[nocturne dust]

You will literally always have time to kill the thing before the Inferno staff does

[weary idol]

unless there's more than 2 enemies

[nocturne dust]

That's why Inferno loses pretty hard in terms of dps in auric

[weary idol]

which you'll find is quite common

[nocturne dust]

Wah, I can't kill everything before the horde clear staff literally meant to clear big groups can

😭

[deft stump]

Should I mention many actually good psykers here both use Inferno and have TS?

[weary idol]

if it's meant to clear big groups it shouldn't be able to kill elites

[dull scroll]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-bawling-gif-3785257530374072155

[nocturne dust]

Although you could

with like

a gun

[torn wren]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crying-cat-cat-meme-cat-crying-meme-crying-cat-meme-gif-7433931244412524776

[nocturne dust]

Bolter vet can literally clear the whole map before Inferno or any staff gets a chance

[weary idol]

and then have real downtime with reloads and needing ammo

not "downtime" with quelling in half a second

[nocturne dust]

Even Auric has enough downtime that Vet can reload inbetween groups

[torn wren]

Guys the ogryn threw a box of grenades and killed the horde

I cant play the game now

[weary idol]

that consumes a resource that has to be replenished

[torn wren]

WAAAH WAHHHH

[weary idol]

inferno staff does not

[nocturne dust]

clearly you do not know how Vet can break reloading

[deft stump]

Or the ver stole the kills by accident because twinned frags happened.

[wind spruce]

If you couldn't detect that gun psyker enjoyer was being hyperbolic then you are the one who needs to caress some turf man

[weary idol]

even sprint cancelling with bolter reloads is going to be slower than quell+charge time combined on inferno staff

[nocturne dust]

Also also, turn off bloom

[torn wren]

Yo im not the one being hung up on how other people have fun with the game they paid for

[nocturne dust]

Inferno is only blinding with bloom on

[dull scroll]

the infinite resource psyker has can blow you up incase people missed that part

[nocturne dust]

Bloom is dumb anyway

[wind spruce]

Any criticism = hung up, ok bro

[deft stump]

But but but, thy blinding light.

[torn wren]

bruddah if you are throwing expletives out every other sentence

in your criticism

that screams hung up

[nocturne dust]

Vet also has talents for speeding up reloads

[torn wren]

[nocturne dust]

It can be very fast if you want it to be, and Vet can fit it into a build for bolter in Auric

[dull scroll]

yes you still blow up by equipping that skill

[deft stump]

Tactical reload. Coughs.

[wind spruce]

Homie's offended by the swears 💀

[weary idol]

It will still never have the uptime of the infinite ammo never needs to reload staff

[nocturne dust]

The quell is the reload

[weary idol]

That kills every single horde enemy in this HORDE SHOOTER in an instant

[nocturne dust]

and no, it's not infinite uptime

[weary idol]

and also most of the elites too

[nocturne dust]

and no, it's not immediately clearing either cuz it's a DoT

[torn wren]

Missing the point my guy

[weary idol]

a DoT that has damage on the impact too, and stacks rapidly because it "shoots" quickly

[deft stump]

Cooldowns. If they wanna go all in on lowering it, is by choice.

[torn wren]

Not bothered by it,just invalidating your point about him being butthurt about people plying the game their way

[dull scroll]

I wished it insta'd everything that way I don't have to reposition and run like a crazy man every game

[wind spruce]

It's a dumb point, swearing doesn't mean hung up

[nocturne dust]

Like, if you're complaining about Inferno's ability to clear things you should complain about Revolver

[deft stump]

Vets can path for low reload times as well.

[weary idol]

Of course I'm going to be butthurt about people playing the game it's a fucking coop shooter, and unfortunately solo mode doesn't exist

[wind spruce]

Nerf!

[weary idol]

So the way other people play the game affects me

And I don't like it when that effect is turning off every single fodder enemy

[deft stump]

Ehm, WS revolver.

[weary idol]

For absolutely zero effort or skill requirement on the person doing it

[deft stump]

I don't need to say anymore than that.

[torn wren]

[dull scroll]

host your own havoc lobby, don't accept psykers, problem solved, said multiple times before

[torn wren]

^

[nocturne dust]

Yes. And its TTK is still slower than most other weapons. This is to the point where Inferno can easily be the worst staff in Auric since the well-oiled team will clear anything and everything before Inferno gets a chance.

[wind spruce]

Or

[torn wren]

actually someone who gets that the world doesnt revolve around them

[wind spruce]

Just nerf the OP shit

[torn wren]

[deft stump]

The way you play also could affect me if we end in the same lobby. Does it matter? No, as long as you are doing objectives.

[torn wren]

@dull scroll super based

[torn wren]

Also super based

Chad gamers just doing the emprah’s work

[nocturne dust]

I'm not saying Inferno isn't OP, it is, but only in Havoc which is unbalanced due to enemy densities... but also, anything with Infinite cleave is OP in Havoc

[leaden geode]

Inferno is op in havoc? Spoken like someone who hasn't been folder by 6 red ragers

[weary idol]

If you're willing to admit that it's overpowered that means that it needs to be nerfed

[wispy bay]

Also many talent nodes enhance it further.

[dull scroll]

there's nothing "balanced" about high havoc, you gotta twins, bosses, and endless buffed up horde coming at you 24/7 and this guy thinks infero just magically makes everything a cake walk

[nocturne dust]

Spoken like someone that can't dodge

[wispy bay]

Then give me a staff* that can do better than inferno...

[leaden geode]

How do i dodge?

[deft stump]

Nerf H40 first and we'll talk.

[deft stump]

Rebind jump off it.

[nocturne dust]

No, because, as stated, Havoc is unbalanced

It is unbalanced in an unbalanced mode, very surprising

[leaden geode]

It's about use case. Inferno has massive aoe balanced by bad range and no spike damage. Trauma and voidstrike would both kill that red rager pack in my scenario

It's not op, it's really good at what it does, balanced by being bad at anything else

It's a specialty weapon

[torn wren]

while we are at it we should also nerf chorus and shout

[wind spruce]

Yes...

[deft stump]

I mean is the same with bleed stacking for some vet builds. It's slower but can still get it done.

[torn wren]

[weary idol]

yeah don't like those either

[torn wren]

we should make it so all weapons do half the damage they deal

[wind spruce]

Based

[torn wren]

cus killing stuff is not fun

very violent

[nocturne dust]

spawns more bosses

[leaden geode]

Yeah, dot application is usually balanced by lack of spike damage

[torn wren]

But thats illegal….

[leaden geode]

Not much op in either

[torn wren]

[deft stump]

No. Everything does 1 damage, everything shoots once per sec, everything has 1 hp. Players have 1 hp, 1 toughness.

[nocturne dust]

So... got it!
spawns more bosses

[wind spruce]

And you can't release captured rejects

[nocturne dust]

They aren't captured, they're actually dead

Character is deleted on death

[wind spruce]

Ironman mode

[deft stump]

Forced ironman.

[leaden geode]

I love it when the heretics capture me when i run out of ammo then i get released with more ammo. Guess they gave me a snack for the road

[wind spruce]

I assume they gave me some ammo, dunno about the snack

[deft stump]

Someppl make use of that for refills lul.

[nocturne dust]

Someone would get 10,000 hours in an Ironman character only to have them get deleted by a bug causing them to fall through the floor

[wind spruce]

Serves them right

[deft stump]

Seems normal.

[torn wren]

Lets just delete all the weapons

We can only use barrels

[leaden geode]

This is darktide. They wouldn't make it past the 3 hour mark

[weary idol]

silent trapper or the ever fun gunner shooting a barrel at the start of gloriana

[deft stump]

But can't attack so need to lure enemies to trigger them.

[nocturne dust]

Soooooo..... remind me how you trigger barrels without weapons

[paper harbor]

https://tenor.com/view/donkey-kong-simpsons-barrel-throw-funny-gif-16442593

[wind spruce]

LOL GET GOT NOOB

[torn wren]

Hawk tuah on that thang

[weary idol]

god gloriana is such a pretty mission to play like such ass

[leaden geode]

Sheer... Fuckin... Willpower!

[torn wren]

Hnnnnnnggggg

[wind spruce]

I hate snow maps

[nocturne dust]

Unironically tho, it'd be neat if enemy melee attacks could trigger barrels

[wind spruce]

More desert maps pls

[nocturne dust]

and by neat I mean hilarious

[nocturne dust]

I hate desert maps

More snow maps pls

Although a sandstorm map would be cool

[weary idol]

have yet to see a single game have a good implementation of sandstorms as a mechanic

outside of the occasional flavor of the month open world survival crafting game on steam that dies in a week

[strong gulch]

I hope you got it, but if not, here's some cliffhanger stuff. #psyker-class message

[deft stump]

Just lagbomb players. I remember the time where an Ember Spirit cosmetic had a mini sandstorm. Everyone FPS died when he was in play.

[drifting steeple]

playing melee psyker breaks my brain

[wind spruce]

Grow up

[deft stump]

Is ridiculous if you git gud though. Awful if you don't.

[nocturne dust]

No

I hate sand

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-star-wars-padme-gif-5048796

[wind spruce]

I like when it gets in my crack and between my toes

[deft stump]

I hate (more) FPS loss.

[paper harbor]

fighting heretic inside sandstorm; get shot from ranged enemy because they use thermal vision; use smoke grenade that wind didn't blow the smoke away.

[nocturne dust]

Eh, I don't want it to be a mechanic, I just want the atmosphere/visuals

[remote nacelle]

Imma assume combat knife 60 mobility?

[deft stump]

Knoife is mobility dump.

[nocturne dust]

Or a pen dump if you are insane and want to speed max

(me)

[deft stump]

Unless you just want speed. Then dump pen if using uncanny.

[unborn flicker]

Playing melee as psyker is like focusing on guns as a zealot

[weary idol]

not quite

[nocturne dust]

To be fair, Zealot has flamer

[weary idol]

because melee psyker deals more damage than zealot in melee

[deft stump]

You never saw good meleekers then.

[weary idol]

by a pretty substantial margin too

[remote nacelle]

And what blessings?

[weary idol]

I don't know if even Martyrdom outdamages Psyker outside of the weapons

[deft stump]

They just die if a light wind touches them.

[remote nacelle]

Flesh and lacerate?

[nocturne dust]

Well, supposedly Zealot is next on the rework block

[unborn flicker]

We are slower than them, attack slower, have less shield regen through our traits, it just seems like we are supposed to be mages not meleers

[nocturne dust]

uncanny

[weary idol]

Psyker is slower than zealot?

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[prime elk]

yes... which is why fatshart added a MELEE weapon JUST for psyker

[deft stump]

Uncanny and your choice. Some like bleed, some want precog, some prefer riposte though that's excessive.

[nocturne dust]

On average, Psyker is slower than Zealot. Base speed counts for a lot when your buffs expire in 3 seconds

[unborn flicker]

And I love it to death, except for the fact that by the time you empower it the horde youd use it on is dead

[prime elk]

you're playing it wrong then

[nocturne dust]

Also, Zealot is capable of grabbing quite a few speed nodes themselves

[unborn flicker]

Its a cleave horde clearer right

[prime elk]

you only need one bar to clear basic hordes

2 bars is for mixed hordes

[weary idol]

a melee weapon that actively requires you to use it frequently to get max value out of it no less

[deft stump]

On max stack, it nukes more.

[unborn flicker]

those are temp passives and super hard to maintain

[weary idol]

Psyker has a ~50% crit chance at all times on right tree build

You are going to have Mettle active 24/7

Scriers Gaze has an effective cooldown of 15 seconds

[nocturne dust]

That's simply untrue

[unborn flicker]

Right yes and getting to max means all of the enemies are already dead

[weary idol]

You are going to have it available whenever you need it

[nocturne dust]

That is more untrue

I need speed when running at/away from enemies, not when I hit them

[prime elk]

nah combat speed is important too

[summer prairie]

I haven't looked too hard since there were too many changes in the actual patch, but haven't seen anything. There was some older 2h powersword stuff iirc.

[nocturne dust]

Eeehhhh, no, I disagree

[prime elk]

and you can get speed running at enemies by proccing mettle with ranged weapons

[unborn flicker]

precisely

[nocturne dust]

Combat 'speed' is dodges

[prime elk]

dodges is different

[nocturne dust]

[weary idol]

or Assail since it gets a Mettle stack for every enemy it hits

[deft stump]

You can hold it for some time.

[prime elk]

yeah

it's funny how horribly clear the distinction is between gunkers and staffkers in this chat

[nocturne dust]

sure, but that also slows you down unless you're running autoshredder... which is a specific weapon

[prime elk]

you don't need to be sprinting literally all the time

[nocturne dust]

I do

Gotta go fast

[unborn flicker]

Man it really should be more of a thing where you can also imbue it over time to build the charge, like it takes 3 full 100% warp cooldowns but you can manually empower it

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/jacksepticeye-speed-gif-20515611

[unborn flicker]

brrrrrr

[deft stump]

You mean pay constant peril to charge it.

[unborn flicker]

Yes

Like how we empower other force swords but instead of our next attack being empowered, we are just charging the sword with energy, filling up the two bars

[drifting steeple]

how do i git gud

[nocturne dust]

The other problem is that you have 3 different buffs with different activations and durations, only 1 of which has reliable consistency (but costs a whole talent point just to take while being out of the way).

[unborn flicker]

Snort a line of cocaine and pray you dont get crushered from behind

[weary idol]

they all activate the same way by just attacking shit really

you're always gonna be killing marked enemies (intentionally or otherwise) for DD's speed

Scriers you just press a button

Mettle...you have nearly 50% crit chance

[nocturne dust]

Well, no, one is Scrier's activation which you may or may not want to do

[weary idol]

Why would you not want to scriers it has a 15 second effective cooldown

[nocturne dust]

also you only have the speed buff (and the 20% crit) while Scrier's is active and not during the lingering effect

[weary idol]

That things cooldown barely exists

[unborn flicker]

While I am bitching, I also am dissatisfied with what our special attack does on our staffs, of all the things a psykker could do, we wack enemies in armor with our stick>>>> wth

It should do a ground slam knock back attack

or a psychic club

not just police brutality

[nocturne dust]

Because you will have a full 15 seconds without the crit and without the speed, and you may want to be in a situation where you can hold it for longer to get more stacks for more damage, or maybe there just aren't a lot of enemies and it isn't worthwhile

Like, it is QoL to run through empty areas faster

[weary idol]

15 seconds is nothing. If there is so much as one enemy that I want to kill I am popping SG

If it ends up only being that one enemy I will use the movement speed to slide and quell towards the next enemies

[nocturne dust]

15 seconds can literally end a run

[weary idol]

weird normally my runs are ended in less than that because I fuck up dodging a single attack and shatter like a pane of glass

[unborn flicker]

Both are how runs end

[nocturne dust]

Anyway, Zealot definitely feels faster and traverses maps quicker even if Psyker has a higher max speed, and overall map traversal is important criteria for us loot goblins

[cedar gale]

gaze with inferno staff is the best thing ive ever discovered

[nocturne dust]

Whatever works for you

[cedar gale]

its such a dumb thing and im not sure it even works

but its so funny

[nocturne dust]

Hhhhmmm, I mean, it is more damage

Inferno just generally needs more application over wider areas like from Shriek, so that's the typical pairing

but it would surely help with uncanny soulblaze shenanigans on bosses

Maybe I should be unhinged again and take rightside Inferno into Havoc

[cedar gale]

im also using it with smite

[nocturne dust]

That I won't do

[paper harbor]

I can’t tell it is increase damage? if max stack 5 uncanny and switch to inferno staff because that is hard to maintaining

Versus the brittleness

[nocturne dust]

You apply soulblaze and then uncanny

uncanny has a short duration

so you let soulblaze's duration take the hit

[leaden geode]

soulblaze lasts a while. Stack it max then go in with the shank and uncanny the armor away

[nocturne dust]

Yeh

[leaden geode]

also, brittleness is still good to have

[paper harbor]

Sound weird interaction oppposite

Brittleness make sense to me

With blaze away

[leaden geode]

uncanny gives you rending, a buff on you, which applies to any damage you're doing while you have that buff, including any dots you may have already laid out

same goes for bleeds, fire, etc

[nocturne dust]

I mean, uncanny probably shouldn't affect soulblaze

but it do

(or at least, shouldn't affect soulblaze applied by a different weapon)

[paper harbor]

So the dot damage are linked to the owner when has buff like uncanny (wondering if trying thrust work)

[nocturne dust]

Yes

Thrust doesn't work iirc

[leaden geode]

it generically applies to any damage you do with the buff going. Since dots tick damage while you have the buff, that damage gets the armor pen, regardless of when it was applied or how

[paper harbor]

It would be funny interaction has dot and thrust

[leaden geode]

thrust is strength on the weapon swing, not a buff on you

it buffs the swing that stacks it, not you, so it only affects that 1 swing

[paper harbor]

Okay just weapon impact damage

[leaden geode]

no, it's strength

[nocturne dust]

impact is a different thing

[leaden geode]

that includes damage and impact

[nocturne dust]

[leaden geode]

impact is the game's name for "crowd control effect"

[nocturne dust]

They were talking about the weapon hit, lol

[leaden geode]

the blue number on the weapon spec sheet

yeah, sounded like a language thing, just wanted to clarify the difference if someone reads this back.

[paper harbor]

I meant impact like a hit.

Impact in my interpretation meant how physically impactful is

[leaden geode]

yeah. the english language is missing some important synonyms here

[plucky flax]

No engrish

[rugged halo]

my sword has an extra percentage that most others dont.

[nocturne dust]

rounding moment

[rich spindle]

How are the severs this bad

[torn kernel]

just use pen flames smh smh

[rich spindle]

Pen flame my beloved

[weak galleon]

Autopistol, Laspistol or Infantry Autogun first?

[nocturne dust]

Infantry Auto

would be most meta

followed by Laspistol

[weak galleon]

thank you

[nocturne dust]

If you take Laspistol, I recommend getting a mod called FullAuto

because the gun is semi-automatic with a high fire rate, and that is killer on the fingies

[weak galleon]

I assume Infantry Autogun is DumDum + something, and LasPistol is Infernus + something?

[nocturne dust]

Dumdum + deathspitter iirc

Infernus + dumdum

[upbeat kestrel]

laspistol also has ghost

[nocturne dust]

true, but Psyker has EE

[tough vine]

Las Pistol even semi auto is fire. it took me to lvl 20 🙂 very nice little thing, then I got a bolt gun and just used that 🙂 now I'm deciding what weapon to buy an make better

[upbeat kestrel]

a yes true

i forget myself i use laspistol on vet

[nocturne dust]

If you use the infantry autogun like I do (solely to dump into bosses) I would swap deathspitter for sustained fire, which isn't nearly as good but does help with bosses unlike deathspitter if all you do is ammodump bosses

[weak galleon]

wait,braced autogun.
Is it a weapon that got implemented later in game's life? since I dont have a single one of those.

how does it compare to Infantry?

[tough vine]

you don't aim with it, you (as the name suggest) brace it against your hip when aiming

[weak galleon]

so a hip firing infantry autogun, that's all?

[tough vine]

but it's like the infantry autogun mostly

[weak galleon]

right

[tough vine]

more ammo maybe ? not sure

[upbeat kestrel]

alot more ammo

[weak galleon]

hmm. so it's better for magdumping?

[nocturne dust]

Lower damage

[weak galleon]

why Infantry is a meta on gunker then?

[nocturne dust]

doesn't aim down sights, instead has a braced thing with less recoil

[nocturne dust]

Finesse

Infantry Autogun has big crit strings and high crit/weakspot damage

Braced does more damage if you don't account for either of those, but even just crits will ensure Infantry Autogun wins

[weak galleon]

is there ANYWHERE I can read on these hidden things?
Same as with Ogryn's base crit chance on some weapons.

[upbeat kestrel]

i would give a lot to use braced autos skins for infantry autos

[nocturne dust]

no

One of the various guides might have the info in it

but not sure there's any comprehensive guide for all that stuff

[weak galleon]

probably my biggest issue with DTide, even 3 years after release it still doesnt have a comprehensible database.

so you just get info by bits and pieces from people on discord, willing to share

[upbeat kestrel]

most comprehensive database we have right know is gameslantern no?

[weak galleon]

it still doesnt show base crit chance, hidden crit/weakspot/etc modifiers, etc.

afaik

[upbeat kestrel]

yeah

[weak galleon]

in other words, the important stuff

also, for magdumping bosses.
Why not Raking Fire for 40% dmg to the back?

[upbeat kestrel]

i mean for normal players those informations are of no consequence

[strong gulch]

There used to be a post in vet chat with the unlisted crit chances

I can't find it now.

Vet pins I mean

[nocturne dust]

Well, for one, good luck getting to the back of a plogryn

If it's targeting you, you don't really get the option

For two, damage buffs are multiplicative with strength buffs in a good way

so the combo of dumdum and deathspitter is quite obvious

[weak galleon]

but is it worth magdumping it if it's targeting you?

[nocturne dust]

With Vraks? Yes

Since I don't use it for anything else

Vraks is the highest boss dps on Psyker

[weak galleon]

so Vraks is the meta one? k

[nocturne dust]

yeh

[weak galleon]

why though?

i mean what makes it highest dps

[nocturne dust]

Fastest fire rate

[weak galleon]

specifically on gunker

[nocturne dust]

It's not gunker-specific

[upbeat kestrel]

wouldnt that be the blue recon lasgun?

[nocturne dust]

All classes want to use Vraks

[nocturne dust]

no, not a chance

None of the lasguns come close to Vraks in boss dps

[weak galleon]

allright, so then, since it's magdumping.
Stability or Mobility dump stat? or can drop a bit of both?

[nocturne dust]

and actually lose to Inferno

[nocturne dust]

I dump mob

[strong gulch]

Vraks then laspistol then recon

[upbeat kestrel]

in my expereince vraks has too much recoil

[nocturne dust]

You do want to still aim in the general region of the weakspot

even if you are magdumping

[nocturne dust]

Turn up your mouse sensitivity

[upbeat kestrel]

try the other 2 autoguns maybe they will be more in your taste

[weak galleon]

well, wasnt blessed by RNG in this case, so guess I'll stick to that one

[upbeat kestrel]

nah

[strong gulch]

no for boss damage

Of the popular guns

[weak galleon]

as for laspistol - which mod people run for autofire?

[upbeat kestrel]

if you want boss damage take agripvolver

[strong gulch]

full auto

[nocturne dust]

Agripvolver isn't actually that good at boss damage

I mean it's not bad

but it's not good either

[strong gulch]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/87

[nocturne dust]

F

[upbeat kestrel]

for gunker i use columnus 8 and it allows me to perform a lot better than vraks

[strong gulch]

Laspistol should have auto fire like recon. idk why it doesn't

People ruining their hands

[upbeat kestrel]

i mean autofire at reasonable speed would be nice

[weak galleon]

ty

[strong gulch]

There should be an option for if you want to be able to just hold down the button vs lots of clicking.

Come on accessibility.

[nocturne dust]

I use FullAuto on every weapon except assail

for explodey reasons

FullAuto with assail is a real dangerous game

[strong gulch]

It's dangerous for staff for me. I go from 80 to dead.

But also I need it.

https://tenor.com/view/ineedit-needit-spongebob-squarepants-need-it-gif-4883495

[nocturne dust]

E z solution

Stop before you hit 80

[strong gulch]

But I also forget peril. I try to remember lmao

But uhhh

LAMO

@nocturne dust I was looking thru my favorite gif us getting murdered is in there. I forgot about that.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1334911930602885140/Void_Bean_Smash_Double_Psyker_Death.gif

SO rude what happened to you

[nocturne dust]

Lol, if the game paused every time I lagged you guys would get to see each frame in perfect detail for a few minutes

[tough vine]

Is the knife psyker a thing ?

[upbeat kestrel]

yeah

[nocturne dust]

Sure

[upbeat kestrel]

you may try that

[nocturne dust]

Dunno why it wouldn't be a thing

You can use any weapon really

Knife being one of the strongest certainly doesn't hurt

[tough vine]

Going to try it 🙂

[raven mountain]

Gotta stab. Fun to play.

[strong gulch]

Psyker can use PA more aggressively than other classes because of psyker's stam regen speed and KD. Slap on a +3 stam curio and PA spam even harder.

[mossy canopy]

also makes an excelent zoom zoom device

[tough vine]

PA ?

[weak galleon]

is Disrupt destiny bugged??
I dont get Precision bonus for most kills of the highlighted enemies, and when I get it, Lingering Presence doesnt kick in, so it wears off almost instantly

[dull scroll]

PA = push atk

vcry abusable on this class

the dagger and taxe comes to mind

[tough vine]

oh ok, ty 🙂

[mossy canopy]

wish there was a hadron terminal in the Psykanum for swapping blessings to test

[weak galleon]

wait, i just realized... enemy attacks in darktide miss you in dodge animation even if they physically connect?

[nocturne dust]

The buff bar is the one that is bugged

[weak galleon]

good to know, ty

[nocturne dust]

As long as you dodge 0.0000000001 nanometers, you get iframes

However, if no space to dodge, death

[weak galleon]

right, i'm slowly starting to remember something about that.

so thats how you survive crushers.
I was trying to avoid their attack hibox connecting.

[nocturne dust]

lol

[weak galleon]

since there're no iframes in VTide.

at least not to that extent

[nocturne dust]

Crushers have weird hit logic

Dodging is generally the best way to go about it even if they should be out of range

[hearty wolf]

Is it time to havoc

[summer prairie]

I'm around for a few

[tough vine]

I think the hitbox on their maul is a bit to large... and overextend easily 1m more than it looks

[hearty wolf]

@nocturne dust @strong gulch either one of you for havoc?

[nocturne dust]

Not right now, I'm going to bed

[hearty wolf]

;;

[upper sun]

best i could figure out is "dodge backwards if its almost hitting you" and dodge side ways mid swing

they can still rotate while swinging if the person theyre aiming at moves

which is fucking stupid

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, the tracking is stupid

but that's why you dodge sideways, to break the tracking

[upper sun]

ye side ways is more reliable

[marble crater]

I dodge into the crushers, they never expect it

[upper sun]

but if you have to dodge backwards you need to wait a bit more

[nocturne dust]

I politely tell the crusher to stop with my friendly stick

[upper sun]

ive been playing ogryn

literally zero fucks

crusher? hit it

traper? dash through and hit it

[nocturne dust]

I wish Ogryn could just rip through nets and swat dogs off himself

[upper sun]

yeah

[nocturne dust]

Ogryn disabled intellectually, not physically

[upper sun]

but in contrast getting lodged requires 3 players to pull you up

[sage remnant]

Would be to strong even if it logically makes sense

[nocturne dust]

It would reinforce the lack of dodges Ogryn has

and a playstyle not entirely around dodging would be unique

[sage remnant]

Disablers are about the only thing that make higher difficulties hard besides boss or gunner spam. Making Ogyrn able to just shrug off the two most dangerous disablers would make the game way easier and rn playing Ogyrn is already easy

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but there's definitely a way to balance it

[sage remnant]

Not worth the time and effort

Or they would have already done it

[nocturne dust]

You could make it a talent node that has a cooldown or make the animation to get out slow and make you vulnerable

[nocturne dust]

[sage remnant]

They obviously want disablers to you know disable.

[nocturne dust]

Fatshark definitely does not do things 'worth the time and effort' all the time

Look at Havoc

[deft stump]

Nu, she gets kickback to face.

[sage remnant]

Havoc is fine

[nocturne dust]

It's already dead 💀

[sage remnant]

Besides the connection related issues because this games servers are shit

[deft stump]

It flatlined ages ago.

[nocturne dust]

Havoc is a mess.

[sage remnant]

It’s a mode for the best players in a game with a small playerbase. Obviously playercount isn’t that high

[nocturne dust]

The deranking system is a mess. Not being able to play any difficulty you already unlocked without deranking is a mess.

[nocturne dust]

Even the best complain about it.

Like, I don't know anyone that actively enjoys Havoc other than @hearty wolf

[sage remnant]

It has issues sure but i think the general ones people complain about are overblown. Like the biggest complaint being its to hard

[nocturne dust]

Uh, no, the complaints I see are never about difficulty

[sage remnant]

I see them constantly

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I do think it's an issue of labelling and onboarding

Like, Havoc goes down to malice

A mode that starts in malice does not read like a mode meant for difficulty

[sage remnant]

It requires a auric clear to even attempt

[nocturne dust]

plus you can unlock it with a normal maelstrom

[nocturne dust]

nope

Auric unneeded

[sage remnant]

Even if the mode was labeled “for elite players only” that wouldn’t stop shit players from playing it and saying it’s to hard

[nocturne dust]

It would certainly cut down on it

[runic juniper]

havoc is really enjoyable until the director wakes up and decides it's deranking time

[nocturne dust]

And besides the point, I see people complain about the deranking system (which they made worse) and the length of the match

[sage remnant]

Huh shit i remember it being a auric. Guess i did a auric beforehand and got the two mixed up

[nocturne dust]

You can do either

You can do an auric or a normal to unlock it, auric starts you at a higher rank

(although it didn't when Havoc first released )

[raven mountain]

The only people I ever see complain about it being hard are people who don't play it in aurics and people in 15s-20s.

[summer prairie]

Almost everyone I've heard have said the new havoc is way better, and I agree

[nocturne dust]

Better, sure.

[sage remnant]

I’ve seen my fair share of people saying it’s too hard but that’s mostly just comes with the territory of online forums and sites. Casual players don’t like difficulty

[deft stump]

Just needed more time in the oven with how buggy rituals get to be honest.

[raven mountain]

Deranking bs aside, it's solid.

My biggest annoyance from the beginning is having to use party finder. Sometimes progging a group is harder than the damn mission.

[sage remnant]

Steps in the right direction. Keep it hard and iron our some kinks and rotate more modifiers

[sage remnant]

I don’t mind a needed lfg if the game would work half the time

[nocturne dust]

Or just, y'know, add to the modifier pool instead of removing some

[sage remnant]

I swear someone has a connection issue every other match

[raven mountain]

Not like there's a boat load of mutators yet.

[sage remnant]

Rotation is healthier imo

[deft stump]

There might be reasons why though, pus skin plus Angy would be hell.

[raven mountain]

If there were like 20 or something, fine, make it a rotation.

But there's like 4 per season.

It's a bit small.

[nocturne dust]

You can literally just add rules like 'these two modifiers cannot appear together'

[dull scroll]

ogyrn can literally just trade hits with a boss like it's nothing

that class is something else

[raven mountain]

Even like 8 would feel better for l people who actually play a bit. L

[nocturne dust]

Ogryn can stunlock boss

[deft stump]

I think is also because they might be introducing 4 new ones every season before rotating or mixing and matching from the pool.

[sage remnant]

Going back to vet after hours of ogryn was agony for a few minutes. I had to remember shoving matters and that i can actually die

[nocturne dust]

I have a connection issue every match since the update

[dull scroll]

vet is unironically the weakest class right now

[deft stump]

I have no idea how they code stuff other than jank.

[nocturne dust]

Well yeah, Psyker hit the gym for FGS, Zealot takes steroids, and Ogryn is made of steroids

[sage remnant]

Yeah small stuff like that could actually be hell to add without issues especially for a game as messy as this

[deft stump]

Yep, thus the reason why I think they are testing with smaller pools.

[nocturne dust]

Eh, I am a programmer. I expect this from, like, someone who doesn't know how to program but is using one of those 'no need to program' dev tools for visual coding

which, if Fatshark is making the game that way...

[deft stump]

Is FS, I think the game code is spaghetti.

[sage remnant]

No offense i hear “i am a programmer” from like everyone on the internet

[nocturne dust]

I have a degree, work as a programmer

I am a programmer

[sage remnant]

And they all contradict each other

[mossy canopy]

darktide backend is one giant scratch project

[nocturne dust]

Well, spaghetti is fixable.

Tho maybe not by the one who made it

[deft stump]

Thing is, we are talking about a dev group known for spaghetti code that somehow actually works for most part.

[nocturne dust]

They should've never swapped away from local hosts

[deft stump]

Look, many games needed to be fixed by fans. Live service games GG though.

[nocturne dust]

It's because of language/engine/API limitations and the differences thereof. Your experience and what you think can and cannot work will vary, and everyone has their own API. But, the beautiful thing about computers is there's rarely a limit in terms of code, other than infinite loops and hard crashing the OS.

[sage remnant]

No I’m saying most of them are lying

[nocturne dust]

Though, technically if you're crazy enough you could rewrite the OS and/or write at a level lower than the OS.

I don't recommend that, but you could

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️ I'd take a pic of my degree and send it to you but that has my real name on it and you're a stranger

[deft stump]

Just remove that bit with a paper with your online name, ezy.

[sage remnant]

Not saying your lying just funny how often you see people say they are a programmer. I’ve see arguments where like four people all say they are while saying the others aren’t. It’s really funny

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you are technically a programmer as long as you do something as basic as 'Hello World'

There's no degree requirement for that vague of a title

[deft stump]

So am a programmer still. Just awful at it. Lul.

[nocturne dust]

Congratz

I dub thee

pro grammer

[regal harness]

whats a good dump stats for force sword, perk and blessing

[deft stump]

Naw, I rather not deal with knowing stuff barring general.

[nocturne dust]

warp res dump

uncanny, slaughterer

[deft stump]

Warpres, perks and blessing depends on mark.

[marble crater]

Perks and blessings depends on which one you are talking about

[nocturne dust]

flak, maniac (iirc)

[deft stump]

Which mark specifically do you want info for?

[nocturne dust]

Aren't all 3 the same?

[deft stump]

No.

[nocturne dust]

They all dump warp res

[regal harness]

4
and what about inferno staff

[deft stump]

Illisi specifically uses different combos.

[nocturne dust]

Dump warp res, blaze away + nexus, flak + unyielding

[nocturne dust]

Sure

but I'm talking weapon stats, not combos

[marble crater]

I have no idea which one mark 4 is

[nocturne dust]

As in, perks and blessings

[deft stump]

Of perks and blessings.

[nocturne dust]

Illisi still uses uncanny and slaughterer

[regal harness]

thx, idk whats a good dump stats, the other classes has guide with it

also this is 4

[nocturne dust]

Deimos? Yeh, my advice is definitely for Deimos

[marble crater]

Must have is uncanny, then either slaughterer or deflector

I use maniac and carapace perks

[nocturne dust]

This is your unfriendly reminder that deflector is trash

[marble crater]

It's not

[nocturne dust]

[deft stump]

Eh, depends on if you want deflector on them. Illisi wants Slaughterer. The other two Uncanny.

[nocturne dust]

Tis

[regal harness]

is the steam guide still useful or is it outdated

[nocturne dust]

Erm

It's... interesting sometimes

[marble crater]

Both

[nocturne dust]

But it's also outdated

But it's also useful

[deft stump]

Nu. Very valid in havoc.

[nocturne dust]

Just dodge/slide

and kill

[deft stump]

Good to have options when bs is being bs.

[nocturne dust]

Deflector is still bad in Havoc because you don't ever need to block bullets from a single direction while also knowing that direction and being capable of staring at it for an extended period

Or if you do, you've made a mistake, which is fair as people make mistakes, but also don't

[summer prairie]

A lot of people say that and yet all the very good players I see run deflector

[deft stump]

See.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, the use of slaughterer on Deimos is also eurgh

especially in Havoc

[marble crater]

Use deflector

[nocturne dust]

Positioning Issue #1:

is that even Havoc

[marble crater]

False, deflector allows you more potential correct positions

[nocturne dust]

Bubble

[marble crater]

No, not sure the original build question was even for havoc though

[nocturne dust]

I mean, outside of Havoc I fully support slaughterer

which is why I said Slaughterer anyhow

[marble crater]

I don't use deimos in a way to profit much from slaughterer, so I don't use it and then I also use deflector instead of uncanny on illisi for consistency reasons

[nocturne dust]

I'll support Deflector when it can block 360

[marble crater]

Just turn very fast

[deft stump]

Beeg brain moment, I see.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, if you use the blade at all, slaughterer/uncanny will be helpful. You have to go out of your way to make use of Deflector by barreling into enemy sightlines and deciding to not slide

and I feel like that's just a bad habit to learn

[marble crater]

I don't use it instead of sliding, I use it in addition to sliding and I only use it for muties/crushers, so slaughterer is not doing anything really

You can see me sliding at the start and end of the clip, smh

[nocturne dust]

but coincidentally not when sliding would've been useful

[nocturne dust]

2 crushers? Slaughterer does something

[deft stump]

If you kill one first to proc it.

[nocturne dust]

yes

That is indeed how it works

[deft stump]

Chaff will probs be dedder than ded due to staff.

I don't think 5% more damage matters for breakpoints.

Is like saying fire team good.

[nocturne dust]

Fire Team does help hit a BP sometimes tho

[deft stump]

And that's a non-conditional 5%.

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but Slaughterer stacks and enemies spawn in packs

Even mutie packs exist

[deft stump]

At that point just traumatise everything.

[nocturne dust]

That's assuming you have trauma

and not EK

[deft stump]

Is Sut.

[nocturne dust]

Literally look at the video they posted

[deft stump]

Nu. My phone data.

[marble crater]

With both Trauma and EK I don't care too much about my melee

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I never care much about melee on staffker

[deft stump]

Oh.

[nocturne dust]

but when you pull it out, slaughterer does come in handy if you need it out for a bit

whereas deflector literally never comes up

outside of Havoc, and even in Havoc it's mainly a positioning issue

[marble crater]

Illisi has slaughterer for hordes, elites get shocked anyway, so I don't run uncanny.
Deimos has uncanny for elites, hordes get blasted, so I don't run slaughterer

[summer prairie]

it's not a positioning issue

[deft stump]

Is bs on bs.

[summer prairie]

it's a positioning issue in the same way taking damage ever is

[deft stump]

Why do you think agile is nice on havoc but extremely overkill in normal?

[summer prairie]

If you never take damage, you can drop deflector

[nocturne dust]

I mean if you stand and stare at melee enemies and get hit... yeah

[marble crater]

Also, in havoc I wouldn't play like in the clip anyway

[deft stump]

Syllo, not everyone can play like you. So...

[summer prairie]

you are never going to take melee damage either since you can always dodge

[blissful solar]

like i always say, doing damage is a crutch

[deft stump]

Play with 300 ping and packet loss, then come back to me on it.

[blissful solar]

real pros not only take zero damage but also never touched the enemies

[summer prairie]

there's always a path through without doing any damage

[blissful solar]

god could do it

[deft stump]

Stealth speedrun, I guess. Does it even still work?

[nocturne dust]

The thing that makes Deflector problematic is you have to know the direction the attack is coming from, know it is coming, and not be prepared to slide

[marble crater]

Did people ever do a mission without killing anything?

[summer prairie]

you don't have infinite slides and you don't always sit at max dodges

[nocturne dust]

Only one of which is necessary for dodging/sliding, knowing the attack is coming

[blissful solar]

probably, they can just take them and run around in circles and abuse stealth

[nocturne dust]

Well, actually, you kinda do have infinite slides

[summer prairie]

no

[nocturne dust]

I literally slid my way through h40s before the update

You have infinite slides

[summer prairie]

forward yes

[blissful solar]

hear me out what if you flick your screen in the direction you want to sprint slide, then you can go any direction

[summer prairie]

but that's not always ideal

[nocturne dust]

Deflector is only forward

That ain't ideal either

[summer prairie]

people go so far to rationalize why deflector is actually not good but never apply the same to other sources of damage

[blissful solar]

i feel like all these arguments can just be ended like this

"if you can't figure out how to use deflector to an advantage, that's a skill issue"

[marble crater]

Great idea, but hear me out: I like my wrists

[formal stump]

There's no way for psyker to jump in and slay a bunch of ranged dudes like zealot right?

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-skill-tissue-gif-22242558

[deft stump]

Everything is a skill issue, I guess.

[blissful solar]

exaaactly

[formal stump]

I run out of toughness so fast unless I just blast assail but that runs out eventually

[nocturne dust]

If you can't figure out how to not need deflector, that's a skill issue

[marble crater]

Venting shriek can do it without jumping in

[nocturne dust]

I did tho

[formal stump]

Max venting shriek kills shotgunners and machinegunners?

[blissful solar]

yeah but then that applies to everything. literally even doing damage itself

[nocturne dust]

I literally explained why Deflector, unlike other defenses, isn't as great

[summer prairie]

did not

[blissful solar]

it's like a tool. we dont go "if you cant build a house without a hammer, that's a skill issue" even if it's technically true

[marble crater]

No, but killing one and adding perilous combustion should do it

[nocturne dust]

#psyker-class message

[marble crater]

They will chain reaction burn to death

[formal stump]

I find myself losing most of my hp to ranged clumps

[nocturne dust]

you also have to have your melee out and it prevents you from doing damage while you use it

forgot that too

[summer prairie]

You are always going to know which direction it is coming from, unless it's a shotgunner oneshotting you

[nocturne dust]

[summer prairie]

in that case sliding wouldn't help either since you didn't know it's coming

[formal stump]

Like when a bunch of shotgunners, gunners and dregs/traitor guardsmen spawn close to me and I don't have assail available I usually just pray I don't get fricked, because going in in melee isn't an option from what I've seen

[nocturne dust]

You can know something is coming without the direction

[marble crater]

Learn dodge sliding and using deflector, but don't rely on deflector too much because it can lead to bad habits with weapons that don't have it

[nocturne dust]

Enemies can be on multiple sides, you can hear the shotgunner clack that shotgun without pinpointing it

etc. etc.

[deft stump]

So cheat with mods, kay. Because sound is jank in this game at times, especially in high havocs.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, that's cheating which I am legally required to not endorse. Or something.

But even ignoring that, again, enemies can attack from multiple angles and you can't do damage while blocking but you are staring at them, which is perfect damage time provided you were, say, sliding

[summer prairie]

you do both, often simultaneously when using deflector

you don't stare at them blocking unless you are waiting for your dodges to reset or because it's better to save dodges because you can

[deft stump]

Anyway, gotta prep to go fetch GF. Have 2 hours to do that and get there.

[formal stump]

It's gonna be a while til I use a deflector weapon again, I'm levelling non-force weaps now

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but that's like blocking and having invincibility from until death

[marble crater]

Even better then, no bad habits to learn

[wind spruce]

Imagine knowing how to slide

[marble crater]

Fetch her where?

[formal stump]

I got combat axe to 20 just now and damn it's a great weapon

I don't remember that being the case when I first played

[deft stump]

From the airport, what else?

She's visiting for Bday.

[nocturne dust]

Caxe very strong, Rashad best click spam

[formal stump]

I haven't found a use for the special though

[marble crater]

I don't know, that's obviously why I am asking

[marble crater]

Is it today?

[deft stump]

My poke stabs stare at you.

[deft stump]

Her reaching, yes. Bday on 11th.

[nocturne dust]

that's not blocking

no attack

only block

Is deflector

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

Psyker has Until Death now?

[nocturne dust]

No, the metaphor is likening the situation to a Zealot

deciding to only block while their until death is active

[plucky flax]

Happy birthday

[deft stump]

Too early.

[nocturne dust]

You don't need two forms of complete damage mitigation active at the same time

[plucky flax]

Take it or leave it.

[formal stump]

Is MKIV the only one to use on catachan devil claw?

[marble crater]

Wishing birthday early is bad luck

[formal stump]

Atheneum says it's the best

[deft stump]

Sut gets it.

[plucky flax]

What the hell

[deft stump]

Then again, I kinda have low enough luck anyway so...

[deft stump]

Is a German thing. Never wish someone a Happy Birthday early. Even late is better.

[marble crater]

[plucky flax]

German built different.

[deft stump]

Is like celebrating in advance because fortelling a bad thing happening in a way or jinxing it.

[regal harness]

i am seeing a lot of psy using relic blade, is there a reason

[deft stump]

Is the FGS.

[marble crater]

Dreams, relic blade is not on psyker

[deft stump]

Is BEEG SWORD.

[regal harness]

sry, big sword makes me think of that sword

[deft stump]

Funny thing is, for Chinese, it's the reverse. Though I usually have to just celebrate after anyway.

[marble crater]

The reasons for using it is simple, it's good and very fun to use

[deft stump]

Good thing we 2 gremlin idiots are free that day, so heh.

[regal harness]

[marble crater]

Enjoy the time with your girlfriend

Use protection

[radiant frigate]

hhuge fuckinf sord

[regal harness]

and the dump stats for the greatsword is wrap?

[marble crater]

Yes

[radiant frigate]

wrap rseist

[regal harness]

so every weapon dump is wrap resist

[radiant frigate]

every weapon that has it except voidstrike

[marble crater]

VoidSTRIKE dumps blast radius

[regal harness]

oh yeah which version of great is better, seeing some build with 8

[marble crater]

Whichever you think is better, mk6 has easier time with elites and single targets, mk8 easier time with hordes, both are still great at both

Try both and see which moveset you like better, that's is really

[regal harness]

and the perks and blessing?

[nocturne dust]

carapace, unyielding

any blessing but warp slice/blazing spirit (normally wrath and something else)

[deft stump]

Wot. Excuse me, we aren't going so far reeeeeeeeeeee

[deft stump]

Can still dump it on Strike if you use for funni bowling ball memes.

[marble crater]

okay

[regal harness]

the what

[deft stump]

The STRIKE is the bowling ball staff.

You'll see.

[marble crater]

She means voidstrike

[regal harness]

damn thats a lot of dmg

[marble crater]

Welcome to psyker gaming

[regal harness]

what does the bar on the greatsword do
i am a bit of a return player

[marble crater]

It's for the warp slice, each full bar is the next damage increase

[regal harness]

need to get the sword up

[marble crater]

Gets filled by killing enemies in melee and by enemies you damaged in melee and then they get killed shortly after by your team

Stronger enemies give more charge

[nocturne dust]

Actually, if you want ballspam you should not dump it still

You could dump warp res for shriek spam, but then you'd need to route through psykinetics to actually get better cooldowns to make use of that extra peril, and then you're just a worse EK build that takes a DD detour

[deft stump]

Pifft. My staff still works. Just not with lag. Projectile lag is gawdawful.

[nocturne dust]

Huh?

[deft stump]

Play Strike at 300+ ping.

The projectile is a mess so you basically can't aim.

[nocturne dust]

Ping issue

[deft stump]

It both is delayed and teleports.

Is why you see me with EK if I play Psyker.

Inferno doesn't hit as well for most part.

[nocturne dust]

Well, don't have 300 ping and the problem is solved

Smh my head

Some people complaining about their connection in a game specifically meant for challenging your connection

[formal stump]

Whats the dump stat on heavy swords? Defences?

[nocturne dust]

It's clearly Fatshark's intent with their netcode

[nocturne dust]

yeh

[formal stump]

Thaank you

[deft stump]

Warp resist before def before mobility in general.

[marble crater]

Heavy sword doesn't have warp res

[deft stump]

In general.

For melees.

If it has warp res, dump, if not, check for def. If not, mobility.

[marble crater]

fair

[strong harbor]

def > warp resistance or other way around?

[deft stump]

Only one is any diff, and that's powersword cleave targets from memory.

[deft stump]

Dump warp resist first, then def, then mobility.

[strong harbor]

ok perfect

have a godroll fgs already

[deft stump]

Good, have fun with it.

[strong harbor]

i love it

[upper sun]

OH MY GOD i hate kaibella

i hate her quests

what the fuck im just running around in circles looking for named npcs while saying random garbage to objects

this has taken me more than 30 minutes because half the prompts dont show up

[marble crater]

I was going to ask you if I should play Rogue Trader, maybe another time

[upper sun]

👌 i was this close to uninstalling it from this quest

the combat is ass and borderline unplayable somehow they translated tabletop rules into the game

the combat is non existent because it was made for drunk british people to be able to navigate

movement/cover make very little difference

the AI is hot garbage because for some reason if you flip enemies to your side they start running around in circles

the star map is hot garbage