psyker-class

[left hare]

what the heck, beast of nurgle tongue is a weakspot?

[strong harbor]

when youre under scriers gaze and hit 100% peril, do you go down?

[drifting steeple]

no

[strong harbor]

oh, sweet

[prime elk]

yeah it's kinda the point

and if you take warp unbound, you get ~10s where you can't explode

[verbal thistle]

no its not, FGS is so long it hit its back

through its mouth

[left hare]

what the heck

[hardy coral]

Recon lasgun with Infernus, Scrier's Gaze, Wildfire + Kinetic flayer has to be illegal. it burns ammo like a mofo but melts everything.

[nocturne dust]

Wildfire does nothing for Infernus?

[torn kernel]

Unless there's some undiscovered jank where wildfire works with burn stacks lmfao

[left hare]

holy fk

the amount of times i've died to 2 poxwalkers

into instant death

[elder glade]

If wildfire did something with infernus that would be something right there. Or not. My brain refuses to process numbers right now until the morning

[nocturne dust]

You can block attacks even if they're from the back, as blocking is 360 degree protection

Psyker has Kinetic Deflection, which functionally gives infinite blocking with a single stam curio on even the lowest stam weapons (as peril generated is a function of max stamina)

Blocking attacks is quicker and safer than dodging

E z math -> get used to blocking attacks and you'll be functionally invincible (of course, you want to get good at attacking and blocking only when necessary)

[hardy coral]

Perilous combustion can activate wildfire on a normal enemy if the target dies from the soulblaze.

[nocturne dust]

Well, yes, that's how wildfire works

[hardy coral]

its just amusing when something that has stacks from either Perilous combustion or wildfire then hit with infernus they just seem to un-alive instantly if Kenetic Flayer doesnt proc.

[left hare]

whats the safest blocking slash i can do with my melee

mk6 gs

[nocturne dust]

There is none?

Wdym

Any attack will make you vulnerable

[left hare]

i rmbr the guide i read said theres like super safe combos

when ur giga surrounded

[nocturne dust]

Guide is dumb

The 'super safe combo' is block -> push -> attack

which is every weapon

[left hare]

without scriers for the peril gain i really dump peril way too fast

[orchid shadow]

Holy crap, I just got around to trying Havoc after the patch. What's with the spawns and all the captains? 20s feel nuts now.

[left hare]

😓

I basically have no high peril perks active with this bubble build

[nocturne dust]

This is why assail weaving is a thing

You can also dump warp res super hard on FGS and reach max peril in two specials if you like

but that's dependent on getting a really low res FGS which is expensive and RNG

[left hare]

aite

assail weaving learning it is

[nocturne dust]

I mean, it's just peril

[left hare]

basically just throw it for peril

when i get 75 peril i go back to punching

or do i go to 90

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️

I don't weave

I don't even bother keeping up peril

If I need peril, which is exceptionally rare, I just block/activate special/switch to assail and spam until red

Since KD generates peril, it works fine

Though if you don't have Scrier's, I would drop Tranquility Through Slaughter and By Crack of Bone if you have them

[left hare]

what r some other talents to take

i took 1 with the warp

just take toughness boost or tdr reduction?

15% tdr and 1 with the warp, surely i shall not melt in seconds

[strong gulch]

If you wanna keep peril up and not dump charges while not on an SG build, toss 2 lmb then 1 rmb assail. Weave assails into melee to keep peril up. Weave is just assail throw then melee some more.

[plucky flax]

30+ is funny 😁

[strong gulch]

You can also say to heck with it and just mainly use fgs peril to feed shriek.

[left hare]

fgs into shriek for even more horde clear

[hardy coral]

if only i could effectively use Gunpsyker in Havocs without dying instantly. well, technically i wouldnt die instantly it would just be pain.

[left hare]

this a gunker run?

[hardy coral]

on Auric Maelstrom. id need to swap to bubble instead of Scrier's Gaze which would make it way less effective.

that entire run an Ogryn with literally just slapping everything.

[rich spindle]

does kinetic flayer activate tougheness gain on blitz use skill?

[strong gulch]

It doesn't appear to be the case. KF does get the same EP buffs as BB tho

[old bolt]

havoc is fun ye

[azure karma]

Any significant changes to psyker with the recent balance

[left hare]

so the havoc 40 builds for psyker usually involve bubble?

[old bolt]

u wont last long without bubble when u play random

[left hare]

do i also need a purg/trauma

[old bolt]

purg is best

look how much i do

[plucky flax]

If your team looks pro you don't need bubble.

[azure karma]

No more quell cancel F

[strong gulch]

SG now quells to 50% like shriek and can save you from exploding. DD stack refresh on monstrosities. Trauma/ VB now ignites barrels from much farther away. KF now procs on bleed, regular burn, and SB DoTs. PC can be procced from SB DoT kills.

Other than that, not really.

[old bolt]

ye ye def people look random squad

[old bolt]

u can if u have comp otherwise u get wiped like papaer

[azure karma]

SG quell is big

[plucky flax]

Sometimes you get a feeling. Either with high tru lvl or a lot of premium cosmetic

[strong gulch]

It's still really good, but less needed than before. If you have a coordinated team who knows what they're doing, you probably don't even need it.

I still take it if I am the only psyker.

[azure karma]

Bubble for comfy runs, no bubble for sweaty runs

[strong gulch]

Or right QC is basically gone so M1 or primary staff spam builds were nerfed. Also toughness from mettle is borked, so purg/ inferno needs soulstealer now.

[azure karma]

Nerfed or bugged?

[strong gulch]

Used to just need mettle, then mettle + quietude, now mettle toughness gen can't carry VB or purg.

[plucky flax]

How long was this game?

[strong gulch]

QC was nerfed and mettle is bugged

[azure karma]

Fking bugs bruh

[orchid shadow]

Didn't they fix mettle in the last hotfix?

[old bolt]

35m

[strong gulch]

You missed us finding out that blessing descriptions now reflect the code to make them more accurate and Precog now saying 5s on non-force melees.

We all thought DS got a stealth buff for hot second. After testing, we realized it's still 2s.

lol

[plucky flax]

Not bad

[strong gulch]

no

If they said they did, then idk what they fixed.

OH

lmao

We are talking about different bugs.

[drifting steeple]

They fixed mettle crash

[strong gulch]

Yeah, they fixed the you crit too many times and now 31 stacks of mettle crashes your game.

They didn't fix the toughness gen bug on mettle.

[drifting steeple]

The cat is sitting on me and purring

While I ponder

[strong gulch]

no more movement for ye

I wish for you and non-full bladder

[drifting steeple]

I'm just thinking about psyker builds

[strong gulch]

I need to go to bed, so any builds I cook up will probably be cursed.

[drifting steeple]

Honestly I'm not sure, when looking up builds, when do they become outdated? I've heard contention about gameslantern being not a great source for builds, even contention about individual nodes/etc being good or bad

It's not like I'm doing havoc so I don't need the most meta stuff, and I should probably just use stuff I like at heresy/damnation normal

[plucky flax]

Aye just use whatever you like.

[drifting steeple]

I think my biggest question is what makes an, for example, EK build or a soulblaze build

What's the difference between building around a specific weapon vs nodes on the tree (soulblaze, sg, smite, etc)

[raven mountain]

EK build uses EK staff. Soulblaze build uses Inferno or I guess fire VB.

Fire likes more fire, so shriek makes sense if you don't absolutely need bubble. PC makes more fire. Wildfire is kinda misleading, but it kinda helps, too.

Most builds value crit, so if you're doing warp stuff, Mettle and warp-damage-on-crit make a ton of sense.

[drifting steeple]

I remember I've seen people say you can use ek in a soulblaze build

[raven mountain]

I guess you could call EK a soulblaze build if you take PC, kill elites, and use shriek on cooldown.

It's not nearly as blazey as something like inferno+vb because those also take the same nodes and provide soulblaze on their own.

[strong gulch]

EK, VB, and inferno basically all use the same left side builds with minor changes. All three invest in SB talents. Staff builds in the pins.

For auric, you can play what you want so long as you can live.

[strong gulch]

It's great at stealing SB stacks. 😭

[nocturne dust]

Wildfire does help, period.

[nocturne dust]

The difference is specific to the weapon, somewhat obviously. For example, Inferno is the only staff where In Fire Reborn has all the benefits over Psychic Vampire.

On Fire Trauma, In Fire Reborn has better probabilities but is more inconsistent than Psychic Vampire.

[strong gulch]

But yeah, gamelantern is NOT great in terms of shopping for a build. It's good for linking your specific build or getting screenshots.

EDIT: I forgot the "not" part lmao

[nocturne dust]

Well, do not shop for a public build on gameslantern

the most popular happen to be pretty meh to sus

[strong gulch]

oh I see what I did

fixed

[nocturne dust]

lol

[drifting steeple]

That makes sense

[strong gulch]

I don't mind when the build is self aware and calls itself a meme, but for someone who doesn't know and is genuinely looking for a build and only memes are there, that's cruddy.

[nocturne dust]

Kinda is. In fact, soulblaze EK is king of psyker builds in auric generally, and most of its power is in EK feeding into PC and Psykinetics in a way Inferno and other staves cannot do with the same speed/efficiency

a lot of the damage is the soulblaze

[drifting steeple]

It seems a silly question in hindsight but my thoughts are now more organised

[strong gulch]

Not silly.

This game is obtuse.

Even naming what things are is ??? a lot of the time.

[nocturne dust]

The game lies, hides info, is wrong about itself sometimes, and cheats.

[strong gulch]

Let alone mechanics that you wouldn't easily find, know, or understand.

[nocturne dust]

Cleave and stagger are hardly explained

[strong gulch]

cleave vs cleave damage

[nocturne dust]

Nothing tells you base crit chance either, let alone ADMs and Rending

[strong gulch]

Penance descriptions using dated names.

What is considered warp??

How many times do we get that question.

[nocturne dust]

Things that cost peril, except sometimes they don't

[strong gulch]

yip

[nocturne dust]

Waiting for the day EP is just base BB

[strong gulch]

We should all stop using KF.

buff bb

[nocturne dust]

Probably skewing the usage stats, yeah

[strong gulch]

[nocturne dust]

Then again, noobs always take BB so it probably doesn't matter 😭

[strong gulch]

plans foiled

[left hare]

does voidstave bubble change much about it

[strong gulch]

voidstave?

[idle plover]

man i really wish i enfeeble talent on smite could be reworked slightly

i like the idea of it making enemies take more damage but it stopping the moment smiting ends kills it for me

[strong gulch]

Smite itself needs a rework or be removed.

[idle plover]

i think there should be like node that seperates it into stun and debuff/damage focus specifically

[strong gulch]

If you want enfeeble to work without holding smite, charged strikes enables it.

Well, it did before the last update. I haven't tested to see if it still works.

EDIT: tested in the meat grinder and it still works

[empty pivot]

They should make it last for like 3 seconds after smite ends and only if you used it on an enemy longer than 2 seconds. And instead of making smite able to last indefinitely, make it so if you overcharge past 100, you have a lock out on smite

[empty pivot]

Also, instead of just having the electrocute on heavy melee, give it the enemies you melee take extra damage for 3 sec DUE to being electrocuted

[strong gulch]

Just to be clear, I wasn't saying how it should work, I was saying what it currently does.

[old bolt]

psyker striker again with 3man clear havoc 40 1 guys dc from the start and nevers comeback

[left hare]

oh i've played with that name before

who was the glorm guy playing

[marble crater]

I hear we are boycotting KF?

[empty pivot]

Whats kf?

[marble crater]

Kinetic Flayer, the Brain Burst add on

[dull scroll]

...why?

[marble crater]

To get it buffed, like Assail

[empty pivot]

If it's the proc brain burst on any attack, it's because the CD is sooo long

If it was 8 sec instead of 15, it would double the dps

The dps is only 100 if it's that node

Otherwise, there's like 4 other node that's better to take than that one

[dull scroll]

tbh it's pretty decent if you have a build that spread warpfire around, especially now it only procs on elites

actually sorry I meant it's garbo lets not use it

ahem

[marble crater]

I love hate it with EK staff, because I almost never switch to my blitz, so it's just free damage and randomly one shot two elites with one charged attack

[empty pivot]

I thought it only procced on elites regardless?

[dull scroll]

used to proc on every shitter, those be them days

[marble crater]

Yeah it was beyong useless in those days

[empty pivot]

Oly moly this was a blast from the past

[marble crater]

Looks awful, good thing I never experienced that

[plucky flax]

It was good time

Psyker was op then

[empty pivot]

Pretty sure psyker ONLY had vent. The ability thing in the middle was like the nodes on vent now

Ogryn ONLY had box, vet ONLY had highlight and Zealot ONLY had dash

Vet only had nades and psyker had no other g spell other than brain blast

Pretty glad fatshart added more stuff

[plucky flax]

10 years still no new class

[marble crater]

10 years?

[empty pivot]

Where's the morrow 2 week sticker when you need it?

[plucky flax]

[zinc phoenix]

Yes that’s correct. However considering psyker was called psyker - psykinetic the intent was clearly to add those skills to more classes. Obviously that didn’t happen

[wispy bay]

The planned to add sub classes. The current miss matching is an evolution of that.

[cosmic sigil]

Old bonsai my beloved

[lyric burrow]

this is a flashbang

[wind spruce]

Vet still only has nades

[deft stump]

Well, we have shout now, and weapon swapping boons... That's it.

[drifting steeple]

hell

[lone ravine]

had a teammate that constantly did the no voiceline whenever my psyker said for my beloved ):

[plucky flax]

Imagine being broke

[deft stump]

When you carrying auric maels. I need dockets reeeeeeeeeeee

[plucky flax]

Hmm can play like 2 or 3 games now.

[deft stump]

I'm out trying to get food. Was storming the whole afternoon and evening

[plucky flax]

Okay enjoy

[deft stump]

It was more of a general jab poke.

[plucky flax]

[deft stump]

Poke.

[plucky flax]

Oi

https://tenor.com/view/shock-hamster-hamster-shocked-hamster-surprised-hamster-surprised-meme-gif-7811010537256565019

[deft stump]

It got booped.

[plucky flax]

Btw I can do some mortise trial with you i need shit loads of them for the sigils

[drifting steeple]

which sigils

[plucky flax]

The cosmetic stuff

Have to do like 50 or 100 trials

[fathom adder]

Do 7 trials for the event insignia, it'll be more exclusive than the grindy one in time

[plucky flax]

How long we have left for the event?

[lone ravine]

we have 8 days 18 hours left

[plucky flax]

Thanks. I'd better get grinding

[lone ravine]

its only 3 points a game max out of whatever the cap is i forgot

[fathom adder]

Need 20, so you can get it done in 7 mortis games if you die no more than once

[cinder moon]

it’s pretty easy to not die tbh

[lone ravine]

Usually easy to not die when like half the games have a rumbler PBB ogryn who gets every nade indulgence

[weak galleon]

Warp Res is the dump one on VBlast, right?

[lone ravine]

warp res is the dump on about everything

[fathom adder]

Mortis is very easy but it does have ledges and respawning barrels

[lone ravine]

I had one barrel spot kill two people by respawning

It then turned into a grey barrel out of pity

[fathom adder]

IIRC anything that has Warp Resist dumps it, except Voidstrike (dumps Blast Radius)

[cinder moon]

on carnival, I always ping the barrel closest to the camp spot as enemy when it respawns, then I hit it before wave start

[weak galleon]

eh, i really enjoyed the times where you had an option not to lose warp charges on your ult

before they merged it.

[deft stump]

I already did 50.

Like awhile back.

In like 4 days actually.

I finished it on my first solo.

[plucky flax]

Okay cos i kept seeing you cry about doing mortis.

Didn't know you finished it.

[deft stump]

Even the 25 mins one.

I just grumped cos tired of carrying.

I wanna no think slack.

[plucky flax]

[deft stump]

Not 15 mins kiting to kill a boss because everyone has a smaller than a chicken brain

[marble crater]

Karien is tired of carrying, who will help me with havoc then

[deft stump]

Well, trying to carry. I'm not that good.

Clutching yes, happens.

[deft stump]

You carry instead.

[marble crater]

I'm too bad

[plucky flax]

Carry me in twins hm.

Never forget.

[fathom adder]

If you don't want to carry don't name yourself Carryin'

[marble crater]

Twins HM might legitimate be the one thing where I'm the worst player in the team

[deft stump]

Pretty sure we got carried in that.

[deft stump]

Stop listening to that guy who hates psyker mains.

[deft stump]

I mean @noble mason.

He scared of psyker mains.

Also part of the group who keeps mocking me on choice of names. Hrmph.

[analog agate]

I can do some if you are still doing it

[plucky flax]

Not playing atm I am delivering some deliverance.

[marble crater]

Blocked

[deft stump]

There's a baby needing to be born in that?

[empty pivot]

Is there a way to say no? Or are the voice lines that people spam due to mods?

[marble crater]

Mods

[sleek sparrow]

guys, any advice for this penance?

pretty please :3

[marble crater]

Read this #psyker-class message

[plucky flax]

Not that I know of.

[deft stump]

Is a joke.

[verbal thistle]

I heard twins?

[verbal thistle]

Do you still need the penance?

[fathom adder]

I have no idea who that is

[marble crater]

No, you helped me with that already

[noble mason]

why u taggin me!

this place scares me

[deft stump]

Because someone was saying the things you say.

[noble mason]

whats a you you

[deft stump]

You say.

[verbal thistle]

Oh yeah

[noble mason]

what i dont hate psyker mains

[upper sun]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/perilous-combustion-procs-off-soulblaze-kills-now/106825/8

chat is this real?

[summer prairie]

yes

[patent mango]

no

[marble crater]

Maybe

Oh no

[deft stump]

You scared.

[formal stump]

I still need to block like 2 billion fucking damage with shield ._.

[remote nacelle]

What should I name my space wizard

[formal stump]

delete of shame

[upbeat kestrel]

just confused the chats

[upbeat kestrel]

Pimpi

[formal stump]

And I also don't have Malleus Monstronum, never got around to doing that

[languid osprey]

hey siblings does the new havok allow us to play other staffs? idk about the changes to fading light

[marble crater]

Oh no

KF too

[upper sun]

🤔

uhhhh

what did they fuck up the infection range?

[summer prairie]

no it's the same

[remote nacelle]

Wow zealots and psyker voice lines make them sound like a schizophrenic good

https://tenor.com/view/for-the-emperor-hammer-and-bolter-old-bale-eye-commisar-to-war-gif-272124338325904300

[marble crater]

What do you mean like? We are schizophrenic

[upper sun]

was it always like this?

is it bugged or no

[marble crater]

Seer literally talks to his beloved

[lone ravine]

our beloved would say otherwise

[summer prairie]

it was bugged before, now it's not

[upper sun]

LMAO

[upper sun]

what changed?

[marble crater]

PC is supposed to prog off soulblaze?

[remote nacelle]

Ok so idk what to name space wizard

[summer prairie]

bleed/sb templates were changed to function the same as burn

err

which "fixed" both KF and PC, though I don't think that was the reason for the change

[marble crater]

Smykertine

[marble crater]

I love it

[languid osprey]

can anybody confirm this pls?

[deft stump]

I can get on if you want. Or poke Clad. something something.

[verbal thistle]

you can run whatever

if you are running staff, your team will need to bring the boss dps

with the new havoc its a type of boss rush

and if the modifer is "red" purg and trauma lack a little since it calls for more single target

[formal stump]

Doesn't that require a full team so taht the bots don't ruin it?

[verbal thistle]

nope

join me

need your fatshark code

get it done in 3 min

[deft stump]

Naw. Just needs you to focus the boss. Also Ainz is offering. Will be even faster.

Bots will never out DPS unless you are ignoring the boss for some reason.

[formal stump]

7734704309 that's it

[deft stump]

Also, Ainz is in strike party 1 if you think VC will help.

[formal stump]

Thanks 😄

Damn that was fast

[deft stump]

Is Ainz. He really gud. Lul.

[plucky flax]

You're welcome.

I teach him everything he knows.

[deft stump]

@verbal thistle Explain.

[verbal thistle]

lol

[formal stump]

I've been using brain burst so rarely I had no idea it'd do so much damage to a monstrosity

[hearty wolf]

"so much damage"

We must not be playing the same game

[formal stump]

Well it's not a thunderhammer

[lone ravine]

im assuming yall did the 2x shield resonance BB?

[formal stump]

I can't help but think of brain burst how it was from before we had other blitz skills and it took what felt like a hundred headpops to do damage to a monstrosity

[deft stump]

Is good enough tbh. Is why I question if someone cannot kill a DH before I need to vent a second time on my Psyker.

[weak galleon]

couple questions about Voidblast, completely forgot at this point.
Is it worth to charge up blasts fully?
Did they actually nerf the limit on burn stacks from Blazing Spirit to 4? So no point light attacking bosses?

[analog agate]

Yes, still best to charge fully.

No point in doing any kind of blasts on bosses

[strong gulch]

You can still blast bonbon, but that's the only one.

[marble crater]

Don't blast the Bon, it just wants to play

[glacial vapor]

While we're on the topic of voidblast. I heard they changed the radius? Was that with the recent major patch or before?

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/salty-raining-salt-salt-bae-nusret-gökçe-gif-15973939

salt the slug

[marble crater]

It's a bug, don't use near barrels

[patent steeple]

btw, this might be one of the few setups I think I can use taxe with (I use either voidstrike or EK staff with it to kill crushers, as agri revolver is too hard to me to spam at heads because skill issue...)

[glacial vapor]

It's recent though? Haven't used VB since the big patch

[marble crater]

Yes

[strong gulch]

Seems to stagger ogryns easier too

[marble crater]

@strong gulch#psyker-class message did you see this nonsense?

[weary idol]

oh sick it used to do this when psyker was "bad" too

and that was funny

[strong gulch]

Yeah. I knows it. 🫡

PC and KF go more brrr

[marble crater]

I saw KF trigger because of soulblaze in missions, but I thought "Surely that's not right, I must have attacked somehow"

[strong gulch]

We've been talking about single psyker unironically able to hit 31 global cap without a lot of effort.

[marble crater]

Missed that, too busy killing heretics

or I just forgot

[strong gulch]

Yeah KF works on DoTs (not electrocuted tho; at least not from walls)

[formal stump]

Does that situation with perpetuum mobile soulfire actually happen in normal games, or is it just because the low hp specials/elites keep respawning?

[summer prairie]

not really

[formal stump]

I've done that in a meat grinder a couple of times and then it's a bother to stop xd

[marble crater]

Mine stopped eventually

Eventually being 4 minutes or so

[strong gulch]

You need the density. Meatgrinder grinder just spits out a new PC spreader and keeps it going for a long time and they are in thigh quarters.

Not representative a real game when you are not the only one killing stuff.

[marble crater]

Buff is buff though, we take those

[strong gulch]

PC and KF should have been behaving this way the whole time is wild.

[summer prairie]

well I wouldn't go that far, maybe just no one thought about how they should behave

[strong gulch]

Good point.

By should, I mean bugged vs not bugged behavior and not balance.

Not that I read the code.

[summer prairie]

I saw that regular burn behavior was changed in Unlocked and loaded. I don't know if it procced KF/PC before that

[strong gulch]

Regular fire burn DoT from like infernus blessing did proc KF. Bleed used to a long time ago, but hasn't for ages, but bleed started working again at the same time SB DoT began proccing KF.

[summer prairie]

Procced KF when, forever or after a certain patch

[languid osprey]

what would you say is the better melee for boss dmg and elites? i want to try diferent things

[strong gulch]

This recent nightmares and vision patch.

[summer prairie]

I know

I'm asking when burn started proccing them

[strong gulch]

Oh

Hmm

[summer prairie]

Because I saw a change in Unlocked and loaded that seemed to be it

but I thought it was older than that

[marble crater]

Deimos, Greatsword and Dueling Sword

[strong gulch]

I forget. I at least noticed it when KF was changed to only proc on high priority targets.

Burn could have procced KF before that but idk.

[languid osprey]

thx i was thinking about somthing more weird like chainaxe

[strong gulch]

Just looked at some messages. I first noticed the regular fire burn DoT proccing KF in October 2024.

Also lol

By notice, I witnessed it happening and a buddy told me. lmao

[formal stump]

If I lived an hour longer for each time a vet blows up a poxburster in my face I'd probably live to see the 41st millenium

[marble crater]

[plucky flax]

It's time to blow it in their face.

[marble crater]

I have my trauma staff ready

[patent steeple]

what I myself see more often than vets blowing up poxbursters, is someone either letting a poxburster get within exploding range, or even running/walking up to it, but not actually pushing it away or anything...

[strong gulch]

To be fair, burster have been extra weird with pushing.

[glacial vapor]

The awkward moment you realise you've got no stamina

[edgy heart]

is this somewhat breaking the 4th wall? xD

[strong gulch]

Like being invulnerable more often, not detonating, or running past players turning then exploding.

[glacial vapor]

I'm not going to lie. Some teams, I just run away when I hear the burster tick

[patent steeple]

they often just get pushed back without the detonation starting, though... they almost never are immune to knockback in these types of cases...

[marble crater]

That's often the best thing to do, too many people reacting to the burster can end in disaster

[weak galleon]

Blazing Spirit + Warp Nexus or Rending Shockwave + Warp Flurry for voidblast?

I know both are popular, but which one is more practical for higher tier content?

[glacial vapor]

They will learn the hard way

[marble crater]

Blazing for everything
Rending if you are in havoc and the other psyker is already playing inferno

[prime elk]

The former usually

[weak galleon]

k ty

been playing exclusively with Voidstrike/Purgatus since release, rarely Surge.
Only now starting Voidblast and damn, I really like the anti-density and CC of it, definitely feels better than Sienna's non-Lingering Conflag Staff

[strong gulch]

Both are good.

Fire VB does more damage and the SB DoT can help finish off those enemies with a small bit of HP left. Farther away enemies are harder to hit with VB's epicenter and SB helps. SB also takes out hordes better, especially if you need the CC on like a puzzle and the person doing the objective will get hit before you can fully charge up a blast.

It does feel easier to target enemies right now too.

I don't think it's just VB hitting barrels easier. I think it's hitting everything easier.

Maybe placebo lmao.

[marble crater]

Nah, it's hitting things better

I played trauma after days of surge and gunker and the hitbox felt very forgiving

[strong gulch]

So it's not just me.

[marble crater]

That plus KF proccing off SB ticks was a very strange experience

[strong gulch]

I'll have to do some trauma next time.

[fierce crest]

rudge where are you

[analog agate]

Ya. VB effects are definitely bugged and way outside the radius atm so things are easier

[rotund shell]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e9ae773-a8ed-4273-b4d6-947bf74abee4/rudge?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button
wanted to show off my psyker build

[fierce crest]

hella

thanks

[upper sun]

@patent mango i hate eldar so much

can Yrliet stop shouting slurs for ONE SECOND

[tired estuary]

eldar hate you too

[jovial juniper]

[upper sun]

i take this woman onto MY ship and she will not stop saying slurs

ma'am which one of us is a dying race?

which one of us will literally get eaten by chaos when they die

[granite mauve]

All elfs are wazzocks

[patent mango]

no shes stupid

[upper sun]

im really hype about the current setting with Gman maybe having an allience with eldar dont get me wrong

[summer prairie]

haven't really done this kind of testing with trauma before though https://streamable.com/zyzydn

[upper sun]

but those """"people"""" are so fucking smug

[upper sun]

ye it works above but not below if i remember correctly

[summer prairie]

works below too at least now

[upper sun]

huh

[jovial juniper]

Huge trauma buff!?!?!

[summer prairie]

well depends on what you mean by working below

[upper sun]

i meant stairs mostly

also im sure it cant go below the ground like taunt

[summer prairie]

kind of weird https://streamable.com/88q643

epicenter goes straight up but the full radius is a sphere/goes both ways?

[tough vine]

do you think this a decent build if I want to do a Psyker Melee Frontline ? Or have I missed something important ?

[rotund shell]

@tough vine the build I posted above has served me well for a meele frontliner

[fierce crest]

i feel like im doing so much and im at like 60% of your damage lul

[deft stump]

Is just Eldar. I mean her romance is ||literally making her see you as an equal||.

[marble crater]

If you want to play melee psyker just use a gunker/meleeker build, there should be one pinned or a few messages below the pinned message

The build you have is... not good

[raven mountain]

Melee psyker is just gunker but uses their melee more.

Or maybe they bring a crappy gun and say they're meleeker to cover it up.

[patent steeple]

you and clad talking about Rogue Trader game, right?

does it actually have ||a cutscene where the dark eldar character you recruit is put into a bureaucrat position, and thus that dark eldar character (idr the name) finds a new type of pain to inflict on others via Imperial bureaucracy||? or was that just a fanmade thing...?

[tough vine]

So I've missed something important. I see. Thanks for the input 🙂

[deft stump]

||I assume so but IDK about that sadist, male char so even worse lul.||

[patent mango]

||idk the recruitable dark eldar guy was really annoying so we just kept stabbing him and never adding him to party||

||hes not even strong hes literally just a weak guy that you can keep trolling every conversation||

[patent steeple]

ah, perfectly understandable.

[mossy canopy]

Is rending trauma still viable? Trying to decide what I wanna do for a non-pyro build

[verbal thistle]

it still does damage

just less then flame trauma

[deft stump]

Better as a supporting role or a second trauma user, I would assume.

[mossy canopy]

getting tired of watching the pubs kill themselves so I'm trying to go more supportive yeah

[marble crater]

Killing is the best support

[strong gulch]

Doing objectives is support.

[strong gulch]

Yeah it's good. You'll still have SB talents tho.

[marble crater]

I had someone rage quit in auric heresy, because they went down in the middle of gas surrounded by enemies and then died, even hit us with a speech about finding another team

[strong gulch]

sry it was me

[marble crater]

It wasn't a psyker

[mossy canopy]

Still go for SB? Was going to grab shield to protect them from themselves

[strong gulch]

I have non-psykers

[glacial vapor]

You get some wild takes in chat lol

Like the guy who was second down bitching about how trash the rest of the team was

[marble crater]

With venting shriek you can protect them from dogs

[marble crater]

Do you though?

I remember trying to power level your ogryn, but you never switched, because you don't have one

[strong gulch]

Even with just PC, you'll still have some SB.

Flurry rending with bubble is fine tho. Leaving a lot of damage on the table BUT if bubble and whatnot is additive to your experience, go for it!

pubs are pubs after all

[strong gulch]

I do in theory

[deft stump]

This is normal. The ppl with open mics in public games be like that.

[strong gulch]

[deft stump]

And actually uses them.

Some are just quiet with leaking background noises. I assume they never figured they could just turn it off.

[strong gulch]

I can do at least 100k damage on zealot next time we play.

[marble crater]

[glacial vapor]

PS players probably. Open mic on controller by default

[deft stump]

I can do at least 100k damage at 300 ping...

[marble crater]

Okay you can stop bragging now

[strong gulch]

Bet I can't. 🫡

[deft stump]

True. But just to set those type aside for the bad apples, you know.

[deft stump]

Sure we believe you.

[strong gulch]

Okay you got me. 250k

lmao that vid proves me wrong

I deleted the post

no one can find it now

[marble crater]

The mods can

[deft stump]

Some saw. We already knew though.

[strong gulch]

So mush soup

https://tenor.com/view/soup-intensifies-at-soup-soup-store-gif-23579992

[marble crater]

Pot of what soup

[strong gulch]

uhhhh

It makes you sick and stinky

[deft stump]

THE FLARE. MY EYES. IT BLINDS

[hot hamlet]

anybody for true survivor? need help

[analog agate]

Oof. Good luck with that. That is an actual very hard penance to get now

[hot hamlet]

yeah this is something else golden true survivor lol

[copper jay]

Everyone is using warp with Inferno Havoc ? Never Empowered ?

[jovial juniper]

My fellow witches

Siblings

Freaks

And abominations

Behold

I'll test WS one later

[analog agate]

Looks… pretty bad

[jovial juniper]

Failing to see the big picture

[steady torrent]

if only smite did crit

[quartz barn]

smite psyker zzzzzzzzzzz

[marble crater]

Why did he do this

[jovial juniper]

Loses the damage

With Warp Syphon

But hey

6 cycles of Scriers

https://tenor.com/view/steamhappy-meme-steam-tg-bratishkin-gif-274347585508037432

And there's a diva maelstrom rn

[marble crater]

[jovial juniper]

Stars are aligned

[marble crater]

Stop creating smite slop

[jovial juniper]

It's not smite slop

It's smite kino

[marble crater]

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-fancychad-cleanshoulder-swipeshoulder-gif-10469422340196425237

[hearty wolf]

@strong gulch summoning

[strong gulch]

I can soon 🫡

[hearty wolf]

oki

[ornate hamlet]

Dumb question how does one keep 1600 seconds of max stacks for that 1 psyker penance 🥲

[jovial juniper]

You don't use your ability

Get an Inferno and the in fire reborn modifier on the keystone

[ornate hamlet]

Welp that explains it

[deft stump]

Don't pick a map with lifts as well.

[robust drum]

whats teh psyker playstyle?

[hearty wolf]

There's many

[jovial juniper]

It's mainly stacking bonuses and killing stuff

[analog agate]

Played with 3 ogryns on refinery finale. All out of ammo. 2 had ammo boxes and none dropped. Every single one couldn’t deal with any kind of horde. Every single one refused to even get close to the obj to decode. First time in a long time i got frustrated enough to troll last guy after we went through 4 different ogryns.

[strong gulch]

40 minutes at the latest. Hope that's ok

[jovial juniper]

If you get hit as a psyker, it'll hurt a lot

So watch out for the glass part of the cannon

[hearty wolf]

o ye tyt. I will find something to do

[autumn lark]

@summer prairie is there any info in the files since the update and hotfixes that would include a vet weapon?

[dull scroll]

daily reminder of the hidden havoc modifier

[ornate hamlet]

Something like rolling steel?

[deft stump]

That probs ends too quickly.

[weary idol]

imagine if smite could crit

[deft stump]

Unless you think you can space out your elite kills or get lucky with the any kills give charges bit.

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah

[deft stump]

Wait, this is DD.

Right?

[ornate hamlet]

I think so. I'd have to go back and look

[deft stump]

Cos if it's Warp Syphon, it's 120 secs.

And I'm confused.

If it's syphon, it can work, but you gotta get lucky.

Also, do not take the +2 charges.

[analog agate]

Oof. The quality of player on today is too low for me to handle

[deft stump]

If it's DD, it's over time. 27 mins of it in total over all the missions.

Just do low havocs for it tbh.

Or ask someone who doesn't care about havoc ranks and host H1.

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah...it's that one 🥲

[marble crater]

Play gunker, profit

[nocturne dust]

Play gunker, realize you are just vet, cry from PTSD

[lone ravine]

vet that can explode themself regardless of primary choice*

[strong harbor]

why i dont really wanna do gunker

i wanna feel different

[lone ravine]

if you dont wanna play gunker you can always use the voidstrike build in pins

[nocturne dust]

I mean, gunker has a slightly different feeling, but yeah, it really does feel like weapon specialist vet

[strong harbor]

but i walso wanna use FGS

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike can use FGS

Nothing is stopping you from taking FGS with any staff

[strong harbor]

rn im kitting out via the melee psyker build you sent

[nocturne dust]

Optimal? No, but I do take FGS with any staff anyway

[lone ravine]

whats the difference between he two marks again

on fgs

[ornate hamlet]

I do, i just use my ability alot

[nocturne dust]

Combos

[dull scroll]

one of them is better

[ornate hamlet]

😅

[nocturne dust]

mk6 has simpler elite combo, mk8 has simpler horde combo

but like

they're both about as effective against everything so

[lone ravine]

cool

[nocturne dust]

mainly combo preference

[marble crater]

That's fine, for DD penance you can use it, just need to hunt blue men and stay at max stacks over several missions and you will get it eventually, use the 10 second upgrade node instead of 25 stacks as well

[ornate hamlet]

Thank you!

[nocturne dust]

Imagine if using your ability cleared DD stacks like it does Warp Siphon

[marble crater]

[ornate hamlet]

Ah ha 😵‍💫

[marble crater]

Imagine an ability that actually lets me see my stacks

[nocturne dust]

Imagine a buff bar that isn't broken

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-impossible-marvel-shocked-gif-15104180

Maybe I should play gunker without a keystone and see if I actually feel a difference

[strong gulch]

EP assail??

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-star-wars-gif-15911341

Worse

EP Smite

[marble crater]

While that's very fun, I have noticed that EP and my playstyle are just not compatible, that keystone is so wasted on me

[nocturne dust]

Ep is just sucky in general since it only affects the blitz

[marble crater]

That too, when I play EK I can go entire missions without using my blitz at all

[nocturne dust]

The only blitz that works as a full-time weapon even with EP is smite

[weary idol]

and it has such dogshit proc conditions

only THREE stacks, and it's a pitiful 10% chance to get a stack

[marble crater]

But then you have to play smite

[strong gulch]

@hearty wolf hi

[marble crater]

hi

[strong gulch]

hi

[hearty wolf]

hi

i see void too

@nocturne dust deadvoid

[tacit stump]

what do you think about the obscurus

it feels kinda versatile now

[strong gulch]

If you like combos, it's good.

It's was buffed and moveset changed.

[dusk void]

Says the guy who didn't participate in the freaking objective during a Mortis Trial. Had me doing the corruption objective smh. I'm done for tonight

Don't talk smack if you don't have the stats to back it up

[strong harbor]

FGS is amazing

i love it

[upper sun]

yeah i assumed so

god i hate eldar so much

mon keigh this monkey that

you made a chaos god

and half your people are still feeding it because they dont wanna use crystals

[faint citrus]

Trying to do HAVOC haven’t really looked into builds is this shit or will i be able to do some damage in the higher levels of Havoc link builds if you can please im running voidblast and heavy forsword right now.

[strong gulch]

@nocturne dust You gonna play?

[dull scroll]

don't run smite with VB..

and don't run the non bubble shield

[strong gulch]

If you're running VB, take ER.

But like Vect said, VB and smite are not really ran together.

I mean you can if you want, but there is a lot of overlap.

Also, if quietude is you're only source of toughness gen (other than coherency), ten that's gonna be rough

Oh I see WC toughness gen

still

[strong harbor]

this randoms today…

[analog agate]

Ya I had to quit randoms were so bad. I can carry until there is an obj that requires the code. And then I just got too frustrated

[strong gulch]

Kinetic presence is...

[faint citrus]

I haven’t used smite once lol so that’s the big thing i want to change

I was thinking of rerouting my toughness regen anyway just haven’t had the chance to look at the talents again but will when i get home

[strong gulch]

Taking all of the smite nodes and no EP is ... interesting.

As long as you and your team can get through conetent, then who cares.

[faint citrus]

When I played pysker before I was told bubble sucks and the ones I have now are good that’s why i made the change but that was a long time ago I’m a big ogryn guy so clearly things changed

[strong harbor]

im just tyrin to lvl

[strong gulch]

Havocs have consistently had bubble meta.

Auric not so much.

[deft stump]

Heh. I like having one see my char ||as equal though||. Which explains alot.

[faint citrus]

Yeah i did that when lvling but ended up not using smite at all essentially just the flame staff now voidblast

[strong gulch]

Shooters are less scary now but bubble is still meta.

Again, in havoc

[faint citrus]

What’s better than smite assail ir BB

[deft stump]

Code? You mean the timing thing?

[strong gulch]

For havocs, inferno and VB are meta and BB is meta in those builds.

You don't have to play meta btw.

[analog agate]

Yeah, the decode puzzle

[strong gulch]

BUT with the new rendition of the derank system, people are gonna be picky in the party finder.

So if you have a premade and everyone is good with off meta builds, go for it.

[hearty wolf]

imagine if it was damnation

[strong gulch]

How's the new trials?

Also I don't think void is gonna show up.

[hearty wolf]

dammits

[hearty wolf]

I like it, still too easy but the pacing feels a lot better

[deft stump]

I usually just shout and drop a frag then try, IF I'm not on 300 ping.

Unless you want extra spicy decoding.

[strong gulch]

Oh good. I hope they release a harder version.

I like a medium challenge options that non-sweats and sweats can play together, but there needs to be one when everyone is a try hard but can still kill stuff.

[hearty wolf]

I have a sandbag with me

So

It makes it feel more dense

xd

come

we do some levelling

[strong gulch]

I've just been sitting here waiting. lmao

I grab oggy

[hearty wolf]

what

i didnt realise this

i sorri

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1045849643352862721

[strong gulch]

I can get a 4th for us

[hearty wolf]

sounds g

[analog agate]

I can play if you want

[upper sun]

i wanted to romance jae but she stopped being cute and became annoying after she got on my ship

[strong gulch]

got a 4th

[deft stump]

She will be extra annoying when you hit the peak.

[deft stump]

Harder diffs, yes, but leave current diff as is currently. I see ppl struggle already and I rather everyone have fun tbh.

[strong gulch]

That's why I'm saying having another harder one and a medium one. Medium being more than T4.

[deft stump]

Auric double spawns.

Have fun with 14 trappers.

[tacit stump]

which staff beside inferno is best for monsters

[upper sun]

theyre all kinda horrible for bosses

bosses have a warp resist stat

[tacit stump]

...

so just slap them with a fgs

[jovial juniper]

Listen
A well buffed VoidSTRIKE perfectly aimed

Or just EK M1 shooting

The macro stuffed got nerfed but still

[upper sun]

ye

or brainbrust

[jovial juniper]

The build for it also sucks but still

[tacit stump]

i am happy psyker got fgs

else psyker would be annoyed by monsters

if not a gunker

[tough vine]

Question, is toughness damage resistance a flat % of damage to my toughness stopped, or is it a % of the base toughness res that the character has ? Because I have a lot of nodes that gives toughness resitance but doesn't seem to have any effect.

Like it seems completely useless, my toughness goes down with any hit doesn't matter my Peril doesn't matter if I have SG activated or not. it doesn't seem to make a difference.

[strong harbor]

im 50% sure its the second one, reduces dmg toughness takes

[remote nacelle]

whats a end game build for space wizard?

[rich spindle]

Really? 🤨

[jovial juniper]

Any preference for melee and ranged?

[rich spindle]

Easy mode is any staff + spamming flame shriek with warp charges

[remote nacelle]

ranged

i heard staff was good just idk what

[rich spindle]

Any are good for auric

[remote nacelle]

i just made space wiazard today cause i kinda got bored playing zealot and orgyn

[long wharf]

got bored playing ogryn?

[rich spindle]

Keep space, spam your staff, stay at high peril, spam flame shriek as soon as you hit 85, repeat

[faint citrus]

What’s the best keystone to go with running bubble now with VB and FGS

[tough vine]

just red a post on reddit that explains that they are both additive and multiplicative. So basically small nodes are Additive which is great it's what you want it's a flat 5% per node. but Endurance and One with the warp are multiplicative, which means they are pretty much useless. 20% of 10 Toughness damage reduction is 2 so it means that with Scrier gaze activated and 2 nodes of TDR you now have a whopping 12% TDR ... and with one within the warp at 99% Peril + Endurance and 20 TDR (4 nodes of TDR) you know have 30 TDR.
Or at least it's how I understand it. It's as I said earlier a complete trap for melee psyker to invest in those Nodes. you're better of just having straight toughness and going for the toughness nodes.

[rich spindle]

lol I had no idea

[patent mango]

fnacyy sord

[jovial juniper]

This for Inferno

[tough vine]

I investigated because I'm trying to do a frontliner melee psyker, and I didn't feel any meaningfull change whit 4 nodes of TDR + Endurance and One within the Warp. SO I looked and it confirmed what I though. Now I can go for more useful nodes 🙂

[rich spindle]

I’ll be going assail recharge

[patent mango]

wait how did i take this long to notice this

how is a mortis trial only giving like 2 cents

im gonna go homeless

[faint citrus]

What damage perks should i have on my void blast and force greatsword

[analog agate]

What kind of VB are you building for blessings

[faint citrus]

I need to level up one more time but i currently have rending shockwave but not sure what I should put for the second one? Does Sustained fire work on the secondary attack?

[prime elk]

TDR is still meaningful

it's just that psyker doesn't get access to really high TDR values just for existing

[analog agate]

If you like rending the other should be flurry. And perks are flak and cara/unarmoured

[faint citrus]

Ok I currently have flurry on

Ok i have those perks on too

Thanks 🙏🏻

[fathom adder]

Because it's barely on the level of a Damnation (non-Auric non-Maelstrom) with Shock Trooper Gauntlet, even before giving you random overpowered buffs

[patent mango]

im getting scammedddd

[remote nacelle]

what melee you use

[old bolt]

[jovial juniper]

Since inferno is pretty much aoe
My melee is more single target
So the Deimos Force Sword, Dueling, Knife

[tough vine]

i'm not saying it's not, I'm just saying it's better to invest ins straight Toughness nodes

[prime elk]

not necessarily either

depends on what you're comparing toughness nodes against

like one with the warp can be better value

(assuming you keep your peril up)

[patent mango]

mortis trials still spawns lik 2 enemies

[tough vine]

I agree that as you level up more and more and get better curios, TDR might be a better choice, but I've recently got to lvl 30 and witht he "bad" curios I have I think Toughness is better suited.

@prime elk

[prime elk]

yeah fair. and tbh the only TDR node i always take is one with the warp

like this shit

is so ass lol

purely just travel nodes you take to get to something better

[tough vine]

this one is actually one of the better one, since it's flat

[patent mango]

nodes r additive too

[tough vine]

I don't know if you can get flat TDR any other way

[prime elk]

idk, how's that different from one with the warp/endurance?

[patent mango]

those r multiplicative which mean they stack worse

[prime elk]

oh of course

as it plaintly states in the talent description

thank you fatshart, very cool

[patent mango]

lmao

its why theres a mod to actually add info to the descs

i wonder if it says what is multi what isnt

it do nice

[prime elk]

i should prob get it

[patent mango]

its not entirely up to date i think

still great tho

[weary idol]

it does

[tough vine]

If it would be additive in Endurance and One with the Warp... you could get up to 20 (nodes) +20 (endurance) +33 (One with the warp) -> 73% TDR. but it's not so you get at 30ish% because it's 20 + 4 + 6.6 TDR which isn't bad if you have specialized curios for maximum toughness. but otherwise if you don't have a lot of toughness it's not that great. Other nodes help you better, either by doing more damage, or by re-generating Toughness.

[prime elk]

i think one with the warp is always worth it

idk about endurance

prob not

[radiant frigate]

if all multiplicative, this would be around 57% tdr

[patent mango]

ye i saw

[radiant frigate]

or 41% at zero peril

[patent mango]

endurance is cool but +15 toughness node is always up so

[radiant frigate]

real

[tough vine]

if all mutiplicative you would have 0 TDR because you you would be multiplying +57% TDR to 0 Base TDR... so yeah you wouldn't get anything 🙂

[radiant frigate]

ok

[patent mango]

what if theres base tdr

ogryn does

[tough vine]

idk about psyker base TDR if the character get some for existing, without any point spent.

[patent mango]

idk lol probably not

[tough vine]

but seeing that Psyker is meant to be a glasscanon I doubt it.

[radiant frigate]

quite certain that ogryn is the only one that has that

[prime elk]

yeah

[prime elk]

was a glass cannon before it got a 25% buff to base toughness

i'd say it's only a bit less survivable than other human classes atm

(depending on player skill though)

[radiant frigate]

plus you're either shitposting or unaware of what multiplicative DR stacking is
i'm assuming the former

[weary idol]

it's funny because they did this exact same thing with the glass cannon character in Vermintide 2

And they remain top tier to this day!

(Witch Hunter Captain Saltzpyre btw)

[prime elk]

gotta tailor every class to the lowest common denominator

[radiant frigate]

thought you were talking engi

[tough vine]

I mean I'm trying to do something the Psyker isn't meant to do, which is playing as a zealot 🙂

So I can't really complain about being squishy

[prime elk]

nah gunker's whole shtick is wrecking shit in melee and ranged

so it's very much an intended part of the kit

before the tree rework, psyker truly wasn't meant to be in melee and it showed

[tough vine]

(Every class is a zealot if you try hard enough, and give them a knife)

[prime elk]

(because psyker players were universally horrible at melee)

[patent mango]

i always played melee psyker since beta lmao

[weary idol]

by having arguably the 2nd best melee weapon in the game

[patent mango]

i did main unchained in v2

[weary idol]

infinite dodge 360 push force sword go

[prime elk]

DS?

[weary idol]

before that one

[prime elk]

and hardly anyone realized it was op because psykers only used it to move around

[prime elk]

i don't think i encountered a single melee psyker before the tree rework

and fgs

[patent mango]

neither did i

[prime elk]

at least none that played it well lol

[patent mango]

lmfao

was difficult to play psyker well when they were just like

a deflector andy

[fiery stratus]

Don't think I really played psyker before the rework

[patent mango]

and worse than vet in every way

[patent mango]

dude

this was so silly

stand next to wall spam dodge left to right

immortality

[prime elk]

wouldn't say they were worse than vet

[patent mango]

fr?

[weary idol]

I mean the current meta psyker build right now

[prime elk]

they were just more limited in terms of melee options

[patent mango]

i mean pre patch 13 really early

[weary idol]

Is the only build they had back then

And it wasn't really that much weaker

[fiery stratus]

best bug in darktide was infinite lucky bullet on a empty rumbler

[prime elk]

oh idk

[weary idol]

Just the game didn't need infinite density scaling as badly

[prime elk]

VS and trauma were still very good back when i was playing pre-rework

and same with gunker

[patent mango]

don rember staves back then

i used shredder autopistol or just heckin uh obscurus it was the only melee i used i think up till illisi dropped

[weary idol]

Voidstrike was meta, Trauma was widely considered bad because people were ass at using it (it was arguably better than voidstrike), Inferno synergized with all your talents, but infinite density scaling didn't matter as much in the shooter/shotgunner hell of early darktide

Surge staff was Smite

[patent mango]

obscurus truly has one of the movesets of all time by now

we've come so far

the massive jump in moveset quality is so noticeable lol

[tough vine]

I've only came back recently to the game (With the ogryn rework) I didn't play since just after Beta, and I have to say the game feels way less repetitive even if the loop is still mostly the same.

[patent mango]

i actually think there was 0 reason to play melee psyker back then but i've always done it so fgs update reveal kinda made me feel all that time was worth it and it was wild

actually got jumpscared by fgs reveal lmao

[fathom adder]

Trauma was considered bad because widely dispersed shooters and shotgunners were the biggest threat, and Trauma is very inefficient at dealing with that

[patent mango]

yuh theres so much mo build variety its peak

unless ur zealot then you only get 1

[prime elk]

well rashad bonker was fun

[weary idol]

Trauma's fucking enormous blast radius and stagger was not any smaller back then

[patent mango]

i was never much of an axe enjoyer tbh

[fathom adder]

No, but enemies rarely got so dense as they do now

[prime elk]

heresy

[patent mango]

i'll enjoy em when 2h chainaxce comes out next year

[fathom adder]

I also feel like Trauma generated more Peril but that could be me remembering wrong

[weary idol]

it did

[nocturne dust]

Empyric Resolve moment

[analog agate]

Trauma got reworked/buffed a few months after release

[deft stump]

If it works like the indulgence and Vet, it just lessens the toughness damage you take. And having both of those and even 50 gold toughness mean hilarious memes.

Because who doesn't love 75% TDR with more than 75% Toughness.

[nocturne dust]

Their multiplicative stacking means they're less useful only if you stack nodes

Psyker, if you haven't noticed, is lacking in TDR

Consequently, grabbing OwtW or Endurance is not a terrible choice. +15 toughness may or may not be more than the minimum 10% TDR OwtW provides regardless of the stacking (you only need >150 toughness for this to be true) and keep in mind that is the minimum of OwtW

[open spindle]

Trying to get the cliffhanger penance, whats the best way to go about it?

[nocturne dust]

Smite without EP

Find horde

RMB -> LMB -> Let go quickly (but hold long enough that the full horde is getting shocked)

There are also specific map sections which are useful. A lot of people like Hab Dreyko's ending part with the first corner of the pipe where a horde tends to drop down right in front of an abyss

I prefer Chasm Logistratum since there's a spot at the start to the left on a weird walkway over an abyss where you can just hang out until a horde comes at you

[open spindle]

Ok ty ill try chasm

[deft stump]

Ah. Highest first, right?

Which explains why funni when Zealot or Oggy gets it.

[nocturne dust]

The end result would be the same

Multiplcation amiright

[deft stump]

50% of 5% is trash.

5% of 50% is better.

Isn't it?

I can't math rn.

[nocturne dust]

no

50% of 5% is 5% of 50%

They result in the same number

.5 * 0.05 = 0.025, 0.05 * 0.5 = 0.025

[deft stump]

But isn't it like.

[nocturne dust]

no

[deft stump]

50%+(50÷100×5)

Vs 5%+(5÷100×50)

[nocturne dust]

first of all

That's not multiplicative

You can tell because you added a '+'

[deft stump]

But shouldn't you?

[nocturne dust]

no?

[deft stump]

Like vet is...

[nocturne dust]

Multiplication is commutative

That means the terms can be switched around because the result is the same

[deft stump]

50%+half of it?

[nocturne dust]

wat

[deft stump]

Vet+indulgence.

50% and 50%.

Is 75%.

[nocturne dust]

I'm not sure what you're talking about

[deft stump]

The 50% TDR above 75% toughness.

Iron Will?

[nocturne dust]

Iron Will, yeh

what about it

[deft stump]

You get something like it as an indulgence as well.

Same amount, actually.

[nocturne dust]

sure

[deft stump]

From how much toughness damage I take from a mutie, it's closer to 75% TDR if both are up.

[nocturne dust]

Yes

Half of a half

You take quarter damage

[deft stump]

So wouldn't it be base+%of base?

[nocturne dust]

No

Damage Taken = 100
100 * 0.5 (50%) = 50
50 * 0.5 (50%) = 25
0.5 * 0.5 = 0.25, 100 * 0.25 = 25

The end result is the same

[deft stump]

If we assume the indulgence and say a 5% TDR node if that exists.

[nocturne dust]

where are you getting a plus sign

[deft stump]

50%+(50÷2)%

[nocturne dust]

I don't know where you are pulling that out of

That formula does not make sense

Firstly, you cannot detach %s like that

[deft stump]

For the IW and indulgence one.

Since that's easier on my head to math.

[nocturne dust]

Because 0.5 = 50%, 0.5 is the number you use in actual formula, 50% is the number rewritten to be readable to decimal haters

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but the formula does not work

It makes no sense why you have that formula

[deft stump]

My teacher never could understand my formulas even if the answer is right.

[nocturne dust]

I don't know where you're getting that formula from. It's be like me pulling out a random formula.

[deft stump]

My head processes things differently.

[nocturne dust]

Uh, no, let's not say stuff like that

Your head thinking differently is not an excuse to have a formula that doesn't logically fit. Like, maybe it can come to the same conclusion with the same numbers (as is the case for many formulas), but it's problematic because the different formulas have different answers to other numbers.

[deft stump]

I once did a page of long winded caculation to caculate interest instead of using a proper formula.

So, a mess.

Is like 50%+ (50% of 50%).

[nocturne dust]

nope, no, nyet

There should be no addition

[deft stump]

Unless they individually remove damage per %.

[nocturne dust]

Er, no

again, the answer is the same

[nocturne dust]

See here

Now, 50% is 0.5 is 1/2 is a division by 2

[deft stump]

So 100 damage, first cuts it to 50, then 47.5.

[nocturne dust]

But division is also commutative

[nocturne dust]

No

50/2 = 25

[deft stump]

Well, 5% of 50 is 2.5, right?

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[deft stump]

Naw, assumed psyker thing.

Or whatever has 5% TDR.

[nocturne dust]

Okay, let me roll back here

Let's say you have a 10% reduction and a 20% reduction that are multiplicative

You take 100 damage

If we apply the 10% first, you get 90 damage
If we apply the 20% first, you get 80 damage
10% of 80 is 8, so you get 72 damage
20% of 90 is 18, so you get 72 damage

The end result is the same

Additive would be a 30% reduction, which results in 70 damage

[spice veldt]

the formula would then be 1 - (1 - 0.1) * (1 - 0.2) = 28%

[nocturne dust]

because you add 10 and 20 together in the additive case

[deft stump]

Math hard. Head hurts.

[nocturne dust]

😭

[deft stump]

All I know is that indulgence on vet is hilariously good.

[nocturne dust]

yeh, taking a quarter of damage is really good

It means you don't need as much regen and can take harder hits

[deft stump]

More, you don't even break gold toughness.

[nocturne dust]

and a quarter of an overhead is pretty stoppable with toughness alone

[deft stump]

I have sat through bs with it.

[nocturne dust]

iirc a crusher overhead is like 400 something on damnation

[deft stump]

100 won't break toughness.

[nocturne dust]

yep

It may drop you out of your 25% zone tho

so if it was Havoc (without buffing their damage) you'd still be dead when the second swing came

[deft stump]

Press shout. Laugh.

Eat two more overheads, shout again because mortis bs.

[nocturne dust]

Remember you took executioner's, perish

😔

[strong harbor]

so one with the warp worth taking?

[deft stump]

Shout in mortis is funni. Triple shout on colossus is undying.