psyker-class

[spice flame]

gachas

sooooo

[hearty wolf]

It's been our for over a year tho

[deft stump]

It's the same as every 'decent' at start for F2P games.

[hearty wolf]

Year and couple months

[deft stump]

It might be later.

[spice flame]

ogryn chat is talking about rocks

again

[deft stump]

One game i used to play took 2 years to become so horribly pay2win.

[nocturne dust]

Ah, so it's just about to start going down the drain

[cinder moon]

ogryn and psyker chats are the best

[wispy bay]

At least they are not coping this time around.

[radiant frigate]

in character, i like it

[spice flame]

and vets are complaining about ogryns being OP

world is healing

[wispy bay]

Vet chat is 90% min maxing

[hearty wolf]

you're going down the drain if you don't appear, i'm running out of youtube to watch and I should be going to sleep but I have committed to this

[cinder moon]

i tried to use antishooter plasmavet in mortis trials and it sucked big time

[nocturne dust]

The typical modus operandi for bad gachas is to start out very F2P friendly and then take a sharp turn a while later

[deft stump]

Just recon or 'nade spam.

[cinder moon]

boring

[nocturne dust]

Go to bed

There's always tomorrow

[deft stump]

Recon for inf knockback memes to knock bosses off the map if you get the snowy one.

[hearty wolf]

I want to play NOW

[cinder moon]

snowy trial map?

[nocturne dust]

Potato isn't even here, no need to force urself

[hearty wolf]

I need to rank up

[deft stump]

Yeah. The one that looks like later Gloriana?

[hearty wolf]

Pravctise

[deft stump]

The not Carnival one.

[spice flame]

alright, time to drink a liter of watah and play

[cinder moon]

i've only seen two trial maps, the carnival and the metal island one

[deft stump]

IDK, it makes me think of Gloriana.

[cinder moon]

i ain't seen any snow on the not carnival map

[wispy bay]

It is the "void".

[nocturne dust]

hi

[wispy bay]

🧐

[spice flame]

🔼

[deft stump]

Is the feel, don't mind it. Just know it's the not Carnival one.

You can knock Chaos Spawns and pogryns off the map near the Valkyrie.

Pogryns is a guaranteed knock off.

[cinder moon]

i also tried to use shout helbore in trials and that likewise went poorly

[deft stump]

Any slow attacking weapon feels like trash there, lul.

[cinder moon]

though those two runs were cursed with random teammates that couldn't do literally any crowd control while playing ogryn

[deft stump]

How?

[cinder moon]

worst ogryns i've ever seen in my life

[wispy bay]

Eh, Plasma goes boom.

[patent mango]

ogryn is so peak now

[spice flame]

true

[patent mango]

i've beaten missions with punch and slap only

[spice flame]

same

[deft stump]

And 14 nukes in a row tops that.

[spice flame]

I'm leaving the psyker life for a bit

[cinder moon]

ogryn is absolutely cracked for trials

[patent mango]

i can g oback to psyker when they fix havoc

[cinder moon]

pretty much every buff works for the whole kit regardless of what weapons you brought

[deft stump]

Bonus, it's from a +3 nade biggest box of hurt.

[hearty wolf]

Warudooooooooooooooooooo

[patent mango]

hi

[cinder moon]

meanwhile psyker gets shafted hardcore with ammo or grenade buff options, sometimes a choice of only those, which don't apply at all

[hearty wolf]

Havocccccccccccccc

[wispy bay]

Are you still planning Havoc?

[hearty wolf]

yes

[patent mango]

which rank

[hearty wolf]

29 or smth

28

[analog agate]

It’s too bad for people who never got true survivor and havoc forged

[deft stump]

Also, many are better on fast firing weapons.

[patent mango]

actually unsure if i got the time

[deft stump]

Like, 20% to burn or shock ranged.

Revolver.

[analog agate]

I just realized my pic mirrors Sin’s

[deft stump]

6 shots lul.

[patent mango]

so i cant hop on

[hearty wolf]

we are the same, but different

[deft stump]

Compare to any automatics or heck, just recon.

[hearty wolf]

OKAY

@wispy bay coming or no

[wispy bay]

yes

[hearty wolf]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1045849449605386380

any1 else

1 fren

[analog agate]

I would but I got home and need to chill for a bit. Hard day

[hearty wolf]

o7

[blissful solar]

what the

[ornate hamlet]

is empowered psionics or disrupt destiny beter for leaning into Assail?

[cinder moon]

what else would you expect from the class that's always wearing BDSM gear

[verbal thistle]

both work

I'd think destiny gets better dps overall but with less shardes

ep gets more shardes

[marble crater]

Depends on your ranged weapon too I would say

[fathom adder]

Yeah DD all the way if you're using a gun

[ornate hamlet]

for smite and Empowered Psionics, is the 15% chance per kill better or stack on elite kill?

[verbal thistle]

not running smite in the 1st place. (but elite kill)

since you should be sniping elites with a surge or gun

to get a stack

and smite only when you have a stack and need the stun

[marble crater]

This is cyber bullying

[lone ravine]

bro got juggled 😭

[upper sun]

anyone wanna join me for vigil end event?

+1

[wooden sand]

Is it hard?

[upper sun]

no

i got barreled

[marble crater]

[wooden sand]

Sounds nice

[steel flame]

Is it too much for zazy to ask to have havoc 40 he can just quick play into.

Sick and tired of having to jump through 20 flaming hoops of bullshit whenever I want my ass beat

[steep crow]

Fun times

[earnest sand]

Can't quick play as it takes coordination. Here instead find random people using our convoluted party system that is more broken than when havoc launched.

[steel flame]

#bullshit

I want a streamlined pipeline to getting my face curbstomped

[nocturne dust]

@hearty wolf sorry, my stomach was hurting at the end there so I got distracted 😔

[steel flame]

The whole party finder drama is exhausting

[nocturne dust]

High density is way better for Ogryn

Low density is the concern

Shooters

Shooters are the main threat for Ogryn

In melee, you just regen stupid amounts of toughness

[steel flame]

I have loads of psyker builds like that xP

I can be a god in the battle field in a never ending horde but the second there are 5 gunners in an empty field

☠️

[nocturne dust]

@hearty wolf do you not have stam substats?

I normally take +stam regen on non-psyker

[nocturne dust]

The reason I like bubble so much is because it inverts what you normally care about.

[steel flame]

Havoc has thoroughly ingrained an intense hatred of bubbling upon my soul

[nocturne dust]

😔 but it's cool

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[steel flame]

Double walls or death

[nocturne dust]

@hearty wolf ggs, have a good rest

[upper sun]

@steep crow@wooden sand

[nocturne dust]

I'd take walls if they were good

Not even tall enough to save Ogryn, smh my head

[hearty wolf]

@strong gulch You missed a really good failed clutch from me and Void

[steel flame]

Lies and slander you heretic

[hearty wolf]

was pretty insane

[wooden sand]

Yeah pretty easy

[nocturne dust]

I wonder if I could've clutched it by not going into that corner room

probably not, the shooties were accumulating, but a better player could probably pull it off

[upper sun]

i was worried because of the death door

but the emperor protected

[hearty wolf]

Evaluating that is really difficult. I think the most correct decision was actually to keep pushing the map potentially.

Or the error was when I dropped.

I really kind of needed to though.

[nocturne dust]

No, I think the error was moving into the deadend instead of continuing to circle the hole

[long wharf]

you need to consult the nearest Inquisitor immediately

mutants saving rejects is immediately cause for concern

[nocturne dust]

There was better cover around the hole and more enemies for me to slap

[upper sun]

tru should have barreled them after the mission myself

[hearty wolf]

Potentially true, the thing is when we were doing it, we were going to run into each other. I guess you could deal with that but I didn't want to get caught surrounded.

Also was concerned about the shooters

[nocturne dust]

You were following me

[hearty wolf]

I wanted that nurgle to die which is why I wanted the other room

[nocturne dust]

If we paced ourselves we would've been fine

[hearty wolf]

I do think that's true but I don't think I can control a mixed horde like that without more stamina, was getting really sketchy

had many 0% stamina guard breaks xd

Maybe need a different thunder hammer that doesn't dump def xd

[nocturne dust]

nah, keep def dumped and just swap your curio substats

those are more valuable for stamina anyway, and they don't have a ton of use aside from that

I run toughness/health/stam regen on ogryn, I'd drop health and toughness for more stam if I needed it (but oggie gets a huge max pool)

Also this https://youtu.be/16Ljz3sl8dY

[upper sun]

https://streamable.com/rsbizq

this shit has 1k views

i only posted it on the forum to prove a point

i think it made some circulation at fatshark

[analog agate]

Lmao

[nocturne dust]

Clad, you have an in, influence the devs to buff BB plz 🙏

[upper sun]

i think i got quell cancel blocking implemented

[dusky crag]

So is that completely dead now?

[upper sun]

yes

[dusky crag]

Yay

[nocturne dust]

I don't love the implementation but it's better than QC existing

[long wharf]

what was the point? that you didn't have to do anything?

[cinder moon]

i saw someone doing this in mortis trials the other day, what even is this build with lmb spam

[nocturne dust]

It's exactly that, lmb spam

spam lmb

🤷‍♂️

That is all it does

It recently got nerfed tho.

[patent jacinth]

I wouldn't say nerfed so much as fixed

[nocturne dust]

It's still not bad.

Well, it's definitely a nerf when you cut its power in half

[upper sun]

yup 2 psykers cleaned everything

that was auric damnation

[long wharf]

ah, you were showing the quell canceling nonsense

[upper sun]

yee

[patent jacinth]

Yeah but it was utilizing an exploit to function

[cinder moon]

even clicking as fast as i could, i couldn't get that firerate

[long wharf]

FartShack should never have announced they were okay with macros

[nocturne dust]

That's a weird way of putting it since quell cancelling was intentional

[cinder moon]

is it literally a macro? that's stupid

[long wharf]

yep

[patent jacinth]

Not to that degree

[nocturne dust]

Sure, unintended consequences.

[upper sun]

tbh i used a macro for a bit but it was just 4+LMB so i can self stim with one button

[patent jacinth]

Canceling actions so you don't kill yourself? yeah
Canceling actions to fire at an unrealistic speed? No

[nocturne dust]

They should've kept quell cancelling and just prevented you from starting a second attack early.

[long wharf]

sir, you can't self stim here, this is a Wendy's

[upper sun]

I NEED to self stim

[long wharf]

you need a therapist

[nocturne dust]

Instead, now we have it where you are forced to quell if you press the button. Waiting for when someone discovers swap cancel shenanigans and that gets removed.

[analog agate]

It also feels bad

[long wharf]

all FartShack had to do from the beginning was enforce attack rates

let someone cancel, but don't let a weapon attack again if it's supposed to be on cooldown/delay

[analog agate]

They made tapping R feel bad. All for the 10 or whatever people who macroed lmb

[nocturne dust]

I mean, they still haven't fixed weapon blessings properly soooooooo

[long wharf]

FartShack incompetence

I played around with lmb-spam surge staff build once

it was incredibly boring and I did not like it

[nocturne dust]

Yes, I would like swap shenanigan bleed sword, how did you know Obesefish???

[nocturne dust]

Yep, even with the macro it wasn't nearly as broken as people put it, it just was able to engage at greater distances unlike Inferno or Trauma RMB

not to mention loud and monotonous

[long wharf]

I hate playing knife builds for the exact same reason

I don't want to spend the entire mission clicking my mouse button constantly

[nocturne dust]

Lmao, I can only play knife with KeepSwinging installed

but then, there are few melees I can play without KeepSwinging

[earnest sand]

Took a break and thought my controller was broken or something. that makes more sense on the quell changes 😂

[nocturne dust]

Game's been acting weird in general since the update

for psyker staves, largely

[cinder moon]

when did pressing R with pure melee weapons get changed to do nothing?

[nocturne dust]

Always been like that? Wdym?

[cinder moon]

it used to clean the blade if it had blood on it

flick/wipe animation

[earnest sand]

Ah i noticed some weird stuff... typical fat shark

[nocturne dust]

huh, I don't remember that

[cinder moon]

it probably happened between november and now since november was the last time i played

[strong gulch]

Dang. I wish I could have seen it!!😭

[nocturne dust]

I have the recording

[strong gulch]

winning the mutie 50/50

[nocturne dust]

Hm

[hearty wolf]

If only I had my own perspective

Darktide is running like shit tho

50% gpu and cpu use

[nocturne dust]

Is this what you were hearing from that guy with the Open mic?

[hearty wolf]

If I had more fps, we would win that

xd

[nocturne dust]

I dunno why but it is like, ear-splittingly loud in my recording

[hearty wolf]

YES

IT WAS SO ANNOYING

[nocturne dust]

I heard none of that in the game, he was so much quieter then

[hearty wolf]

I want to record when I didn't record

how do I aquire that technology

[nocturne dust]

Steam recording always on

[hearty wolf]

does it munch gpu

[nocturne dust]

A lil, like any recording software

Since it's always on tho, I've adapted

[broken carbon]

are you thinking of killing floor?

darktide never had that

killing floor 2 does

[cinder moon]

you might be right

[broken carbon]

it’d be cool if dt had it though

[long wharf]

you don't get communicative animations and emotes in Darktide, it's not some silly cooperative game

you want to emote? do it on the Mourningstar to show off your premium cosmetics

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, emotes? Fatshark would never

[broken carbon]

yeah it’s grimdark and serious, zero fun allowed.

how dare you want to flick the blood off of your weapon

[cinder moon]

unlocks scrollwheel

[broken carbon]

LOL

true

[cinder moon]

equip stimm
crouch
look down
press RMB as fast as possible

[nocturne dust]

@strong gulch https://youtu.be/oqtlXQz3Xw8 Warning: turn down your volume

[cinder moon]

my EARS

[nocturne dust]

I would've died way sooner if my audio was picking up that mic like the video did, lol

[cinder moon]

dude that's heinous even with my volume at 5% on system and video

[hearty wolf]

Brooooo you had like nothing up there with you

I HAD EVERYTHING

[nocturne dust]

Yes, things don't spawn up there

[hearty wolf]

I thought it was equally split and was like omg this is so intense

[nocturne dust]

[hearty wolf]

That makes more sense now xd

[nocturne dust]

Lol, I maybe should've dealt with the boss fully instead of dropping but you were panicking so much in VC (which my recording did not pick up again 😭 )

[hearty wolf]

Yeah I thought you had trash so would have needed me to bonk it

In that scenario, I would have rathered you just kill it

I somehow survived down there anyway, I needed the help but it was fine apparently

[nocturne dust]

Still not very good with Ogryn tho, missing weakspots a lot

[hearty wolf]

i SEE

Idk if it is the ping but the hit reg is being so bad

[nocturne dust]

I think it's ping related, but it feels like it's more egregious after the update

Just a feeling tho

[hearty wolf]

For ping stats, is that a thing IN darktide or are you using another tool to check?

[lone wing]

it's a mod

unfortunately

should be base game

[nocturne dust]

Yeh, I just use a mod for it

Mechanically speaking, I'd assume it's a stat somewhere in Darktide the mod is just revealing

[hearty wolf]

Certainly should be

I'll get the mod then just so I can monitor what exactly is going on

[lone wing]

that one is one of the more useful QoL mods

[strong gulch]

In addition to quell cancel being gone, people on controller have said the game feels different. Like aiming and camera turning.

A lot of people in are also saying movement feels different.

[strong gulch]

Maybe y'all would have made it without Dagg's damn mic going off. Geeze

Good fight. That's the kind of fight that you need a nap afterwards.

[earnest sand]

Yeah I haven't played in long enough I can't truly compare prior to update but it does feel weird

[strong gulch]

Ping satus was base in VT2.

just gib

[marble crater]

It's because they fixed the deadzones, so it's more responsive now and you might have to change them or turn down your sensitivity

Or just keep playing and get used to it, that's what I did

@strong gulchfor your viewing pleasure #psyker-class message

[strong gulch]

I'm ugly cackling

[marble crater]

Felt so bad for him

[strong gulch]

FOR SURE

He was chosen.

[faint citrus]

Blaze force sword or blaze force great sword for dealing with crushers/maulers?

[strong gulch]

yes

Deimos or Obscurus for force swords. (mks of force sword)

Either of the FGSs (force great swords)

Force swords have better mobility.

On deimos, H2 has most of the damage and a H2 to a crusher head can knock them over. Lacks horde clear but can manage fine with assail.

Obscurus has combos for both single and hordes but is not the easiest to use. Good if you are mechanically inclined. Crusher combo is H L L.

[proper osprey]

I’m crying

Oh my god my sides

It’s so funny

I gotta listen to that again

[strong gulch]

FGS is basically heavies on crusher head.

Mk 6 has easier access to to single target damage with the big upper stab being the H2.

Mk 8 has easier access to horde clear. Its big upper stab is accessed through PA (push attack). If fighting a group of crushers, mk 8 is slightly faster at clearing them.

[proper osprey]

@nocturne dust the corrupted audio make this 100 times funnier

[lone wing]

my fucking ears

[proper osprey]

[faint citrus]

What’s better first hit damage or over damage stat?

[lone wing]

dump warp resistance

[strong gulch]

WR (warp resist) is the meta dump on all force weapons be they melee or ranged.

There is one exception. VoidSTRIKE dumps blast radius.

[deft stump]

I put it at 0.10 and it's fine.

[deft stump]

And you ppl complain about my fan. What even the dook was that.

[pale matrix]

does mettle stack with warp speed?

[nocturne dust]

Yes

It also stacks with DD's speed buff

You can be very fast on Psyker, just not for very long

[pale matrix]

ty!

[prime elk]

with gunker, you can be fast all the time ||so long as you have ammo||

[nocturne dust]

Only if you use autoshredder

[prime elk]

that works, but even recon las will proc mettle reliably

[nocturne dust]

sure, but you can't sprint while shooting, 0/10, no speed

[prime elk]

slide and shoot, slide and shoot

[nocturne dust]

sliding slows you down

Only sped, now

https://tenor.com/view/flash-lampo-speed-gif-18173027

[prime elk]

realistically, as gunker, you have SG up 2/3rds of the time anyway

so you get the move speed bonus from that

(because every self-respecting gunker takes the move speed node)

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, but you need all 3 to be really fast

[strong gulch]

Warp speed should just be part of the base ability

[prime elk]

yeah peak speed is only going to be in short bursts

[nocturne dust]

I respect myself by not taking it

[prime elk]

only if SG gets nerfed lol

gunker's already fucking busted

it doesn't need more help

[nocturne dust]

Well no, you're wrong

Fatshark just buffed it, clearly it needs more help

Integrate the speed

[prime elk]

DS buffs when??

[strong gulch]

fake precog 5s

still funny

[nocturne dust]

You shouldn't take Warp Speed because then Fatshark will see low usage stats and buff it

[lone wing]

psyker is so strong
let's nerf ogryn

[nocturne dust]

I'll have to play around with Ogryn more, but so far they feel just as strong if not stronger than Psyker to me

[prime elk]

just bake in uncanny strike into DS

so dumb that we have to waste a blessing slot on it

[nocturne dust]

Bake in uncanny strike to zealot

[prime elk]

[lone wing]

uncanny is one of the single strongest blessings in the game

[nocturne dust]

Give Psyker Blazing Spirit, Zealot Uncanny Strike, Veteran surgical precision, and Ogryn that +damage on impact blessing

Because clearly the players need more power

[prime elk]

DS needs help. we shouldn't be gimping it with a blessing tax.

[nocturne dust]

We also need to nerf Dclaw, too strong. Only takes a number of light attacks to kill something.

[prime elk]

yeah

i think lowering the flak adm would help

[nocturne dust]

Lower all its adms

In fact, make it lower the adms of your secondary as well

[deft stump]

The parry also too good, right? Can even perfect block overheads, so OP.

[civic vector]

Is there a reliable build that includes the right branch of the skill tree "the gaze talent"

[nocturne dust]

It's called gunker

and is the standard build for those who do not want to use staves, heretics tho they may be

[civic vector]

Conclusion: there is not and if there is it is unreliable

[nocturne dust]

Well, no, gunker is strong

like, strong enough to beat Voidstrike

and if you are meleeker (which is effectively the same build, you're just using melee more), FGS can beat out EK in Havoc

Gunker doesn't beat Trauma or Inferno, but nothing does sooooooooooo is whatever

[past kite]

Whats a good psyker build

[nocturne dust]

check pins

[analog agate]

VB blasts now trigger barrels from afar. It is stupid

[nocturne dust]

yeh

VB also staggers bigger enemies from farther away

Bugshark introducing one bug per feature

[analog agate]

Also, heinous rituals is so buggy. Many trigger from an untenable distance

[hardy coral]

Ball spam surge staff with Kenetic Flayer and wildfire is amusing.

[analog agate]

Imagine what it was like before the nerf

[deft stump]

WAY more BS, I assume.

[analog agate]

https://streamable.com/rsbizq?src=player-page-share

Unless he is meaning voidstrike with surge. In which case it used to also be really good

[jovial juniper]

Machine gun staff spotted

Creatures of the warp, take his soul

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-ltg-tie-him-up-gif-11927923657429006938

[analog agate]

Also, I would love to see how Rat does havocs

[hardy coral]

ive played with Rat a couple times.

[wind spruce]

The same way he does everything, he scurries

[wind spruce]

The one priviledge of being in apac south is playing with him hundreds of times

[analog agate]

But on havocs? I can’t imagine his gameplay meshes well with it

[deft stump]

I wonder how he has adapted to the trauma quell cancel thing.

[analog agate]

He doesn’t do qc

[wind spruce]

Doesn't he have youtubes up of havoc?

[analog agate]

He weapon swaps

[analog agate]

Idk. I haven’t watched his stuff outside of the one vid he had posted here

The news havocs are conducive to quick blasting though

[hardy coral]

Rat made a youtube channel and he has 1 run on it thats a Havoc.

[deft stump]

Ah.

[analog agate]

I haven’t tried. Does beating a lower havoc mission replenish your 3 chances?

[deft stump]

Same lvl or higher.

[analog agate]

Whelp. Guess I have one more try at 34 then

[deft stump]

Is why ppl hate the new system.

It used to be at end of week, reset to highest cleared last week with 3 lives.

[ripe bear]

thank god tanner saved psyker

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-shut-up-shut-it-shush-shut-your-mouth-gif-26635232

[prime elk]

bait used to be believable

[shadow wigeon]

Blazing Spirit is still max 6 stacks on staffs, yeah?

[sturdy reef]

ya

[shadow wigeon]

I think I used ot have extended descriptions mod that had that text added, and it was missing.... thought maybe they'd taken the handcuffs of BS, but no sadly

[nocturne dust]

'handcuffs'

Fire Trauma is good

As for the other staves, removing the stack cap wouldn't change anything

[raven mountain]

Fire trauma hold up into healing or enraging? Or would a different variant do better there?

[nocturne dust]

Inferno

But really, both fire trauma and rending trauma are very good in Havoc. It's more about picking your poison than anything else, both do the same job and handle whatever is thrown at them.

The PC cascade is the real horde killer anyway

[strong gulch]

PC buff. YAY

[verbal thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277677568702681128/1356489041247211700/6CEFF51.MP4?ex=67ecc05d&is=67eb6edd&hm=2a7b642243e3a6afab057ae6fc050119715143aec60009c1675e82d15062a553&

5min clutch

hac40

[desert dome]

my auric exemplar got ended by a lucky bomber flinging me over the edge :^(

[wispy bay]

Don't worry, by the time you get that, Auric becomes trivial.

[nocturne dust]

so close to being a series of clutches rather than one clutch

[verbal thistle]

tyes

disconnected 14 times that mission

[plucky flax]

Sry was me

I'm the bomber.

[nocturne dust]

Sry, I infected you with my lag

https://youtu.be/16Ljz3sl8dY

Literally happened today

was not the only time I dced, but was the weirdest of the bunch

[wispy bay]

I'm not sure if it is a FS problem or internet overall.

[nocturne dust]

It's a FS problem

I don't lag in any other game

Only Darktide, not even VT2

[wispy bay]

Code 2014 or 2001... once every 2 games for me.

[sacred dome]

Whats the good havoc build? I tried doing a melee psyker, but my god.

attrocious to play

[wind spruce]

Inferno, the end.

[nocturne dust]

Trauma too

[verbal thistle]

Ek too

[nocturne dust]

well, no

hold up

[wind spruce]

They used singular

Silly bums

[nocturne dust]

Well they're all the same build anyway

[wind spruce]

🤽‍♂️

[dull scroll]

It's inferno atm, VB getting seriously cucked by the red and gold mods

[nocturne dust]

wat's the gold one do again?

[dull scroll]

makes them tanky

[wispy bay]

rage

[verbal thistle]

DR

[nocturne dust]

isn't red the rage one?

[wispy bay]

Red is stun immune

[nocturne dust]

[wispy bay]

They define "rage" as in enemy saw their mates die and get tankier.

Purple is heal

[dull scroll]

heal is prob the least trouble some

rituals been the most

holy shit some of these ritual placements

[wispy bay]

Yellow is the 2nd worst.

[hearty wolf]

Thunder hammer bonk renders all of their funny colours, USELESS

[nocturne dust]

he says as he deranks

[dull scroll]

the hammer is making a come back with all these bosses, have had this chad running marty hammer in a few EU games just deleting them

[wispy bay]

I just made up all the lost I got earlier. Turn out if you play slowly, it is not that much harder than the old havoc.

[nocturne dust]

I liked hammer in old havoc as well

[dull scroll]

yeah it's pretty based

[nocturne dust]

@hearty wolf you hear that

[wispy bay]

Glorianna is still a glory hole though...

[nocturne dust]

plz spare me the rushing, I am veri fragile

[hearty wolf]

I have actually been like the furthest back most of the time 😭

People are just weirdly aggressive

[wispy bay]

They do seem to be.

[nocturne dust]

You weren't during the clutch

[hearty wolf]

I was trapped in the container from both sides with maulers and a BoN on one side

I thought I'd just come back when it was more clear

[wispy bay]

Also, the horde comes from the back much more often now.

[hearty wolf]

It in fact, did not become more clear

[wispy bay]

Always need 2 guys to check the back.

[hearty wolf]

It's okay

It was just for flavour

We will win today

And get all the way to 40

[nocturne dust]

Just phase through the Bonbon like me

[hearty wolf]

For some reason when I try that, they eat me ;(

[nocturne dust]

vomit

Dodge vomit

win

The vomit applies a debuff that lets them eat you

[hearty wolf]

Ikik

[nocturne dust]

sliding/dodging perpendicular to it lets you avoid it if you aren't point-blank (and you have to be really point-blank)

[hearty wolf]

I want to to damage from the inside though

Thunder hammer to the heart

Ah well it was whatever, just gotta run that stamina efficiency curio and I'll become untouchable

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/disney-hydra-monster-hercules-headslicing-gif-5952230

Maybe I should run shield since shooters hurt me so

https://tenor.com/view/ogryn-darktide-ryback-gif-27166387

[hearty wolf]

Valid strategy

Taunt too??

[nocturne dust]

but then I don't have speed/damage of cleaver 😭

[nocturne dust]

probably

I'll have to experiment with ranged weapons tho, I don't really like any of Ogryn's

[hearty wolf]

Friend uses that precision rifle one

For special shooty

[nocturne dust]

I tried it, I hate it

has weird delay

[hearty wolf]

Rip

Ammoless Ogryn, rock as secondary as well we grenade

Dual rock

[ripe obsidian]

Kickback and grenade gauntlet feel best to me. But I suck at Ogryn. I take so much extra damage

Have to use shield to stop shooters from bullying me

[nocturne dust]

Yeh, of the ones I've tried I like the shotgun

but I've tried the heavy stubber, kickback, rumbler, and twin stubbers, so there's still grenade gauntlet and the shotgun spammer

[upbeat kestrel]

kickbakc and rippers are shotguns

[nocturne dust]

yes

but one is shotgun while the other is """shotgun"""

[ripe obsidian]

I saw one Ogryn in high H30s using the krourk heavy stubber to great effect

Outdamaged me as purgatus psyker. Only person to do that since the patch

[upbeat kestrel]

?

[ripe obsidian]

I was impressed

[hearty wolf]

I want to playyyyyy

[ripe obsidian]

Grenade gauntlet is nice for special sniping. Not sure how it was changed with the ogryn updates. Would need to check patch notes

[nocturne dust]

The kickback feels like shotgun, the rumbler does not

but that's my opinion

[upbeat kestrel]

rumbler is auto shotgun

but fair

i see where youre comming from

[broken carbon]

the rumbler is a grenade launcher

how is it even a question of if it’s shotgun-esque

[nocturne dust]

oh erm... the auto shotgun

[upbeat kestrel]

its a mortar

[nocturne dust]

whatever it's called

[upbeat kestrel]

ripper

[nocturne dust]

not the rumbler, that's just my brain

[ripe obsidian]

I have heard tell that the rumbler is the best boss-clearing weapon in the game with a certain build. I have not investigated further

[nocturne dust]

yes

[upbeat kestrel]

yes

[broken carbon]

its a grenade launcher,

a mortar would be more akin to the PIAT from WW2, that the british used

[verbal thistle]

it gun

[broken carbon]

ainz ur ability to lurk is unmatched

[upbeat kestrel]

sorry in the description it says it has more in common with primitive mortar

[verbal thistle]

ye

[ripe obsidian]

If thou hast the knowledge of this build, I beg of thee, bestow it upon me

I want to blow stuff up.

[wispy bay]

PIAT is direct fire.

[upbeat kestrel]

yes

[wispy bay]

Mortar, by definition is indirect fire.

[upbeat kestrel]

rumbler is rather self explanatory what you take

[verbal thistle]

I keep class chats on alt montior

[ripe obsidian]

Ogryn is my least-played class by far. I knew little even before the changes

[upbeat kestrel]

untielding carapace adheasive charge firefrenzy

[ripe obsidian]

I shall try this. Thank you.

[wispy bay]

Gauntlet with the extra blast radius node is very good as a clear way weapon.

The melee is also quite good so it is a viable alternative melee if you still need the shield.

[sacred dome]

Ye nah, cant make melee work on psyker, complete rubbish.

"unga bunga new sword lets try melee build"

[hearty wolf]

Self report?

[sacred dome]

Self report? 🤔

[hearty wolf]

"I can't make it work so it must be complete rubbish"?

[sacred dome]

Ah yep. Well in regards to all the tools available for psyker, and the general builds other classes play, it's gimmicky with melee two hand sword psyker build.

[nocturne dust]

I mean

I don't like meleeker, and think people overrate it, but it's not a gimmick

[sacred dome]

You will probably have a shoutie doing horde clear

[ripe obsidian]

Meleeker is fine

[sacred dome]

Or oggy

[nocturne dust]

It is, in fact, 3rd best psyker build in Havoc

Infinite cleave go bbbbbbrrrrrrrrrr

[sacred dome]

Ofc it was a bit cool to cleave but

[wispy bay]

Because you are a melee psyker doesn't mean you should be allergic with ranged weapons.

Use both!!!!!!

[deft stump]

It's just the weakest inf cleave of the three.

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but also you have assail so

e z

[sacred dome]

You're kinda measuring with literally all the other players instead of filling in what is missing, or possibly missing

[wispy bay]

Assail is to buff melee damage... change my mind.

Well, it also buff gun damage...

[hearty wolf]

Agree

[nocturne dust]

I mean, eh

Outside of Havoc, not at all

[sacred dome]

Flavor ofc, but i found the melee build not enjoyable.

[wispy bay]

Well, you can run as a 2nd psyker...

[hearty wolf]

I don't understand what you're trying to say

[deft stump]

Havoc is where comp matters a little more.

[wispy bay]

You know, running melee only vet is also shit.

[sacred dome]

It's ok, you don't have to, just complaining into the void.

[deft stump]

Outside is, do whatever.

[sacred dome]

Yep.

[nocturne dust]

Weird, almost like you are required to take a ranged weapon in every build

[sacred dome]

Right x'D

[deft stump]

It's a stat stick for my 'nades, 'kay?

[plucky flax]

I played heavy stubber for special snip;e and mk1 bully club for single target/horde clear.

[nocturne dust]

I dislike stubber

[sacred dome]

I am stubber

[plucky flax]

I only shot like 5 times.

[deft stump]

Mk 3 or bust, funny solo uprising mortis to test stuff.

[plucky flax]

Mostly it's rock for muties and uhh... someone can deal with specials.

Me oggy me smash other big guys

[deft stump]

Mostly because 4 in progress games gave me 0 indulgences.

And uprising should be ded DED in SEA.

[plucky flax]

Mk3 basher?

[deft stump]

Bully, yes.

[plucky flax]

Bad single target.

The double overhead heavy spam from mk1 is op

[deft stump]

Dun care, just funny whack.

Is uprising.

They all die anyway.

[ornate hamlet]

I tried the brunts special out today it's v strong

[plucky flax]

Is that mk2?

[nocturne dust]

Havoc Uprising

[ornate hamlet]

I think it's the mk3

The one for horde clear

[deft stump]

They all fly around so I can see if it's just in progress ganes not giving me indulgences and paths, or is it my game breaking.

[brittle dagger]

Is there a suggested build or mission for the power up penance

[plucky flax]

Yeah mk3 is just heavy spam

Although I've seen some funny light spam stagger mk3 build.

[deft stump]

I hated corruptors though. Oggy too slow, very hard to solo.

[deft stump]

I am running light spam.

[plucky flax]

[deft stump]

Is as stated, funni.

Things just flying around.

[ornate hamlet]

I mix light spam w heavy

[deft stump]

Take all the +impact for double funni.

[ornate hamlet]

Tbh I just like slapping things

bap

[deft stump]

True.

But that takes too long to kill crushers.

And I needed to finish the mortis solo till someone joined in a late wave.

Poor guy kept dying though.

[plucky flax]

Spawn flew over me head and dunked on me
https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxfSTIP3yK1-0XBU6ky_ydq54k4_ArUOCR?si=kSo-iFigDvD1s_9k

[deft stump]

I wondered why he matchmade into uprising.

Is ded difficulty for mortis.

Then again, with him dying as much as the bots... I understand why.

At least he left me all the 'nades to nuke BoNs though.

I am not spending ages slowly shooting one with a kickback.

[dull scroll]

Mr fucking miyagi, that's the dude running around with a hammer in a marty zealot on day 2 in 38s 😂

[plucky flax]

He's good player.

[dull scroll]

oh yeah

guy was making twins disappear

like a joker magic trick

[deft stump]

To be fair, god players are already memeing in 40.

[plucky flax]

He hated smite apparently.

Joined our pt and asked syllo+deadvoid if they are running smite.

[dull scroll]

zealots hating smite, tale as old as time 😂

[deft stump]

My FPS cries in H40 like watching 3 inf boxes oggies with +3 'nades and Biggest box and 50% rebooms.

And they even said it was the easiest h40 they had done that day due to lower than avg spawns.

WDTM???

[plucky flax]

Havoc spawns are inconsistent tbf

Some maps have like 4 monsters.

Then some map you get 3 at once

[deft stump]

I heard some got twins, 2 bosses, a normal captain and 2 weakened bosses at the same time.

[hearty wolf]

@nocturne dust I'm so ready today

I've been using new headphones which is my excuse for yesterday

[nocturne dust]

I'm going to bed

[hearty wolf]

I don't really remember why the other runs wiped aside from the failed clutch. Felt like I was always last or second to last to die and it felt kinda bleugh

And it's okay

I'm going to work now

[nocturne dust]

Lag and bad teammates, generally speaking

[plucky flax]

Monka

[hearty wolf]

Oh yeah the lag was god awful

[plucky flax]

Id just surrender

[hearty wolf]

Yeah we had that

It wasn't very nice

And then friend dc'd so

[nocturne dust]

Although, to be fair, no idea how bad the lag was for the teammates

maybe they were good

[plucky flax]

Weakened monster but they have 70k hp anyway

[nocturne dust]

and just lagged to death

[hearty wolf]

Perhaps

Anyway must conquer the lag and never give up in the 1vx

Time to lock in

[deft stump]

Some ppl play for such.

[nocturne dust]

Tell them to join my games and carry me plz

[hearty wolf]

It's me

Today ™

Begin the clutch counter

We are doing win streak

I'll even mark it in my Google calender

[nocturne dust]

You're going to be drained after work, I just know it

[hearty wolf]

I'll be FINE

I got 5 hours of sleep because I was so excited to bonk something

[nocturne dust]

Going to spend all your energy thinking of Darktide and then be tired for Darktide

I know cuz I do that

[hearty wolf]

;(

[nocturne dust]

[hearty wolf]

Okay yeah yeah we'll see in like 8 or so hours

[hearty wolf]

https://wccftech.com/game-developers-are-discouraging-users-from-installing-nvidia-driver-572-xx-rtx-40/

[wispy bay]

I have AMD GPU for almost 10 years now... poor man card.

[hearty wolf]

I'm actually wanting to move over to team red

If I can get an 9070xt

Need to upgrade the rest of my pc first tho

I'm still using a 500w PSU with an rtx 3070

[copper jay]

I tried 5 games in Havoc (~20) with Zealot.

I feel so pro and with a lot of reflex (even carrying my team) without any efforts or inputs.

How can I improve my Psyker game ? I feel so slow now. Of course this is easy to avoid everything with Zealot with that much mobility and runspeed.

[radiant frigate]

become fast

mettle/sg/dd

[verbal thistle]

Funnily enough, psyker is faster than zealot

[copper jay]

Psyker has not lower speedrun ?

I'm playing Voidblast and I think I'm using my staff Always even to kill some people instead of horde

[verbal thistle]

Psyker has more movement buffs then zel

I think it's 65% bonus for psyker and zealot only gets like 45%

[verbal thistle]

Darktide tip, always be dodging/sliding

You can charge and attack with staff while sliding and it's about the same speed as sprinting

Or bring a mobility melee

[nocturne dust]

Psyker's max speed is higher.

It's not the same but the gunkers are fans.

[verbal thistle]

A staff psyker doesn't need a melee if the play correctly

[nocturne dust]

Well, they need a melee for bosses

[wispy bay]

Or just be braindead and use inferno for everything

[nocturne dust]

Unless they wanna take a chaos smack to the face once they run out of dodges

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1310894228339167334/Fire_Elmo_V5.gif

They just buffed gunker, so now it's staff turn, yes?

[copper jay]

I didnt know ! Thanks !

[ornate hamlet]

Fingers crossed 🤞 been a while since I have psykerd

[copper jay]

The grenade launcher Ogryn is putting us at shame 😭

[nocturne dust]

They made a bunch of buffs that don't apply to Psyker in Mortis Trials, so clearly we need buffs to base Psyker to compensate

[wispy bay]

Lucky bullet gauntlet special spam

Lucky bullet doesn't work with guantlet special... why///

[wispy bay]

WTF do people want to melee the ritual... do they know that they can shoot at the cultists from afar???

I got a good game, then one of the dude decided on melee it and triggered tons of bosses and everyone where out of position.

[copper jay]

That was me, sorry

I didnt waste ammos on weaklings

[nocturne dust]

They're a bit resistant to ranged iirc

[jovial juniper]

Classic fatshark

[nocturne dust]

tho you can just pop them all with a single trauma blast

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/icb-i-can't-believe-shaking-my-head-duck-cigarette-gif-8035362469672454220

[nocturne dust]

Still haven't done that in an actual Havoc tho

[azure karma]

Any solution to performance issues after update yet

[radiant frigate]

upgrade pc

[quartz barn]

If you get errorcoded just buy something from the store

[upper sun]

lower settings

[summer prairie]

I don't think staggering the cultists works on a server, probably some psykhanium weirdness

[upper sun]

cultists are weird idk why they have higher stagger values than a pogryn and more hp than a crusher

[summer prairie]

because looks like even shriek kills them, so no way

[upper sun]

does it?

i thought they were the same as the cultists in the new carinval mission

[summer prairie]

they flinch and that's enough

they don't fall or anything

[upper sun]

🤔 better yet they should add a victim that they try to bind the dh to

killing the victim should also end the ritual

I love the forum sometimes

its like 200 threads asking for solo/custom games and bot customization

[marble crater]

Yes I also always go into singleplayer forums and ask for co-op and other multiplayer features

One time I asked the Forza devs to give us a shooter add on

[plucky flax]

[jovial juniper]

Twisted Metal Horizon

[glacial vapor]

Someone please tell me the hotfix got rid of the ek staff notifications at last lol

[deft stump]

Ask Hamdol. IDK, after what I saw, my PC is traumatised.

[marble crater]

There is none, unless there is a mod for it

[summer prairie]

Strawhat keeps saying the fix is in the next hotfix

[marble crater]

Next one for sure

[glacial vapor]

Just out

[marble crater]

Link?

[jovial juniper]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-64-1-7-2-patch-notes/106639

[marble crater]

"Fixed implementation of dead zone threshold on the right gamepad stick."
If I have to get used to new input again I will cry

[upper sun]

"Fixed an issue where aimed Assail shards lost their target after throwing them."

preak

"Available Mastery points are now evaluated against the total amount of points needed to acquire all blessings. The player may still hold more points than needed, but the UI will not acknowledge it and show 0 as the value for the available remaining points in those cases."

oh my god

this is the worst possible way to fix it

damn this hotfix is fire

[marble crater]

Fixed is fixed

[summer prairie]

"Fixed a bug where Warp Unbound would not prevent players from overloading at the end of Scrier’s Gaze."

[upper sun]

"if self._solo_play then
self._solo_play = false"

peak

[nocturne dust]

also

Available Mastery points are now evaluated against the total amount of points needed to acquire all blessings. The player may still hold more points than needed, but the UI will not acknowledge it and show 0 as the value for the available remaining points in those cases.

Lmao, they couldn't fix it so they made the UI ignore it

[upper sun]

yee i saw that

bruh

[deft stump]

Quality. But it works, kinda.

[upper sun]

i guarantee you that little 4 delayed every patch by a couple of days until they decided fuck it cover up time

[vernal frost]

would probably require them to come to your house with a usb stick and take the points away

[glacial vapor]

Wait... They fixed the ek staff blessings...

On April 1st

[upper sun]

i think adding a blessing would have been the easiest solution

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/cleaning-lazy-sweep-sweeping-hiding-gif-11120468

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/its-peak-old-man-shaking-head-gif-3938163323164042530

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/bleak-it's-bleak-shaking-head-its-bleak-black-and-white-gif-9592734580409210082

[loud girder]

how many bugs did they add in this fix

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

ayooooo

[dusky crag]

Huh

[upper sun]

is this daemonhunters dlc

[plucky flax]

Yay mortise buff

[marble crater]

And faster pacing between waves

[upper sun]

i dont like that one so much tbh

it used to be nice to go to have a sip of coffee and eat something between waves

[marble crater]

Do that between missions, like everyone else

smh

[upper sun]

no

[zinc phoenix]

No, need some dead time

Dead time makes people feel safe and spread out which gets them killed

It’s also atmospheric

[upper sun]

yeah i like relay because i can kill myself on the fan and take a bathroom break until im revived

"oh nooo they changed that i didnt know...."

speaking of a vote to pause would be a great addition

[zinc phoenix]

Issue with dead time in mortis is you know you are safe so it is boring

[upper sun]

yeah but its a simulation the dead time fits there

[marble crater]

By how much is it reduced even?

[zinc phoenix]

Sefoni is a perv so it’s weird her sim is so vanilla

[upper sun]

imo they should just kill the last 2 chaff that delay the next wave

it happens a few times every run where you have to run across the map to find the last dude hiding

[zinc phoenix]

He glowing but yeah

[upper sun]

i think just having the last 1-3 non boss non ogryn enemies auto die would smooth out the game a lot

[jovial juniper]

[marble crater]

@upper sunPlay trials and let us know how much they reduced the time between waves, go

[upper sun]

😭 i dont have time rn

maybe at night or smth

[marble crater]

smh

I just hope aiming is not different again

[runic juniper]

how much we betting that warp unbound still isn't a 100% safety net for blowing up?

[upper sun]

im not taking that bet

[summer prairie]

SG now basically gives WU by default

during normal duration

[runic juniper]

oh shit that's right

[marble crater]

I have played a lot of gunker with WU the last week and never blew up once

[runic juniper]

well yeah you dont blow up with a gun unless you're throwing assail just before scriers reaches 100

[marble crater]

I was throwing assail around 100% peril plenty of times too, for that exact reason

[jovial juniper]

So picking WU just extends the period of the default one?
Or like, no correlation?

[marble crater]

Because I wanted to see if I can blow up, just didn't happen

[quartz barn]

Blowing up with assail is genuinely hard tho

[summer prairie]

WU is for the lingering duration

[runic juniper]

wu is a static timer I'm pretty certain too

[quartz barn]

Even when spamming at 100% without wu

[jovial juniper]

Well scries has the 1.5 secs safety net

[marble crater]

What are people doing then to have blowing up as a complaint? Clearly I am doing something wrong or right

[quartz barn]

Ye idk

I usually try to blow myself up in the end elevator but very rarely manage to do so

[runic juniper]

idk, muscle memory has completely replaced my trust for the scriers gaze safety net

[marble crater]

You are the reason I will never get the 100 missions without downs penance

[carmine beacon]

why they buff precog for ds but not for fgs?

[runic juniper]

what did they do to precog exactly?

[carmine beacon]

duration from 2 to 5 sec

[summer prairie]

no

[marble crater]

People here tested it, it was still 2 seconds

[carmine beacon]

oh, ok

[runic juniper]

that would be nuts

[quartz barn]

Baited by fs

[deft stump]

Now you wonder what is the joke.

[hearty wolf]

Fixed a bug where Warp Unbound would not prevent players from overloading at the end of Scrier’s Gaze.

Ex fucking dee

I wanna try MY

MT

[glacial vapor]

There goes my excuse for popping my head (again)

[hearty wolf]

Also sorry I see everyone has already discussed

[marble crater]

It was only during a small window if you gained peril at exactly that time, or something. I never blew up

[jovial juniper]

Same

[marble crater]

People who did must be pros

[deft stump]

Are you sure?

[runic juniper]

I had it happen in a game 3 times, it was basically once a mission if I dared trust it

I am a low fps gamer though

[jovial juniper]

What I want to know is if that fix affects smite breaking the tethers at the end of gaze

[summer prairie]

if you had, say, 100-200ms window to blow up while spamming assail when hitting 100, it would happen all the time

[runic juniper]

maybe, that does feel like the issues are linked now that you mention it

[summer prairie]

breaking tethers? you mean force quelling?

[runic juniper]

it happened WAY more if scriers gaze was generating peril faster though. If I held onto it by quelling with bullets and threw assail after 30 stacks with it still active it would be a 50/50 at blowing me up

[lethal plover]

I have no issues. Maybe you should disable RTX and lower volumetric fog

[runic juniper]

update disabled my fsr in the settings

[patent steeple]

assail now finally tracks the target correctly when aiming again!

[jovial juniper]

Not quite
Sometimes smite would stop probably to force the quelling
Sometimes the lightning would stop existing for a split second
Sometimes it would just keep going

[runic juniper]

sometimes the viewmodel would stop doing the smite animation but the lightning would continue

[patent steeple]

correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the quell from smite stopping at 100 peril is affected by the quell speed talent node?

[deft stump]

You can file edit to completely remove that tbh.

The fog bit. It won't remove smokes though.

[runic juniper]

I doubt the forced quell when smite reaches 100 is affected by quell speed, more likely a static peril reduction

would of been easy to notice in previous havoc where smite was somewhat decent

[summer prairie]

I think they made it so the DH ritual is inactive during an event, might fix the hab dreyko nonsene

[runic juniper]

nah, rituals just have weird activation ranges

[marble crater]

Hab Dreyko nonsense?

[summer prairie]

nah what?

I'm talking about a change in the hotfix

[runic juniper]

oh you mean they don't even spawn in?

[summer prairie]

it might spawn but it won't progress until the event is over

[runic juniper]

gotcha. I know certain maps include the rituals inside the event zones. the gloriana finale can have 2 of them at the same time

[marble crater]

[runic juniper]

if there were changes made they probably tweaked those specific spots on dreyko

[frigid briar]

question. are any of the psykers' melee weapons really good at killing bosses?

[marble crater]

Dueling Sword and FGS are good

[runic juniper]

ranged gunker if you wanna waste ammo. other than that its crit chance dueling sword or it's downgrade of force great swords or deimos force sword

funny 5 seconds of ultra speed brainburst does damage too I guess

where you stack the charge speed ontop itself by placing 2 shield walls

[marble crater]

But then you have to play with 2 shield walls

[raven mountain]

Beyond all that, inferno staff does alright. Not a monster solution per se, but you at least contribute alright.

[runic juniper]

inferno staff is just additive damage while you cleave through the monster into the chaff that's an actual danger to boss killers

[marble crater]

I contribute to boss fights by clearing chaff and specials so the rest of the team can focus on the boss without getting netted or flamed

A boss by itself is not a threat

[lethal plover]

So how do people feel about the update?

[raven mountain]

Yeah, but point being that if there's no monster assassin on the team, inferno actually does pretty solid boss damage over the course of the kill.

You aren't doing like 5-7k of its health, but more like 25-30k with inferno.

Assuming there's not someone on the team that just absolutely deletes it.

[raven mountain]

Ogryn update? Ogryn ate good. Psyker got weird buffs to stuff that was already good.

For a "rebalance" update (rather than content), it's actually pretty good all around.

[lethal plover]

I must say, even though they don't have content updates that often, the game has very solid updates that refine the gameplay further

[marble crater]

It helps that the gameplay loop is just really good and fun

[late yew]

I don't get reason for update though

Ogryns were good even before that

Good ogry nwould always outdamage everyone else by factor of 2

And now it is the same pretty m uch

[marble crater]

Ogryn tree was a mess, many weapons had no use, almost no build diversity

They needed that update

[late yew]

Well i barely touched the class after hitting level 30

[frail oar]

Did they really fix overloading through warp unbound!?

[late yew]

and even that was massive waste of time

ogryn is so boring to play

Too slow

[frail oar]

I can spam shards without fear?!

[raven mountain]

And they often didn't outdamage everyone. Like, sometimes, you got one of those crazy +1000 ogryn mains that did psyker-level damage. But most of the time, they fall just under Zealot damage in my games.

[marble crater]

You say this

[marble crater]

and then this

[cosmic sigil]

he's salty

and your arguments fly over him, because you know, he's a dwarf

[marble crater]

[runic juniper]

ogryns were good in lower difficulties but boring to build and couldn't survive havoc or help the team as much as the others.

[frail oar]

If you played ogryn you knew it needed help

[late yew]

It has absolutely nothing to do with builds

It is very essence of ogryn is boring

[raven mountain]

And they did a lot for Ogryn build diversity. There's actual choices now for gear and talents.

Before, I'd groan at having an ogryn in havoc. Now I'm good with them being in team.

[runic juniper]

the gunner change in havoc might of been enough but it's nice to have a talent tree that gives you more choice

[late yew]

he is slow and cumbersome

and iti s boring

I want to be fast and agile

I don't like ogryns in team when i play anything but psyker, they just block so many shots

[raven mountain]

Go play knife ogryn now. 5.7 move speed with multiple good dodges.

[runic juniper]

bullcharge lets you go off on your own like a knife zealot almost, and you can actually sustain yourself while doing so

[raven mountain]

Can legit chop and dodge his way through fights like a boss.

[runic juniper]

honestly the best way to clear daemonhost rituals

throw ogryn at it

[late yew]

It still feels slow

[marble crater]

Alright, I see people saying that people block shots. Before I took a break there was an update that removed bullet collision from teammates, did they add it back in during my break? I only play psyker, so I don't notice

[raven mountain]

Then it's a skill issue, and the discussion is over with moot complaints.

[late yew]

I don't remember such an update

[late yew]

Do you know what "feels" mean?

You are moot > : (

[frail oar]

Why are we trying to convince someone that doesn't like ogryn to like ogryn

[raven mountain]

Sure. Means your fees fees matter more than objective information that's right in front of your face with multiple people telling you it's there.

[quartz barn]

Because ogryn

[raven mountain]

Feel how you like, but don't act like they matter to anyone else or affect anything besides your personal experience.

They updated a character that needed it. They are objectively great now. They are objectively faster now. They are objectively stronger now.

They also have some op shit that blows teams out of the water.

[quartz barn]

But imo oggy enjoyment scales with difficulty, much like psyker

[late yew]

Are you stupid>?

I never said OGRYN IS SLOW

I said HE FEELS SLOW

[quartz barn]

Because most of his interactibility comes from dealing with specials while having limited mobility

[raven mountain]

Which means nothing.

[late yew]

And FEELING is most importanat thing when enjoying a class

[young cliff]

So I was not crazy! Assail was losing its tracking when tossed, someone know if the changes on surety of arms make it so it only generates 15% peril?

[late yew]

I thought ogryn greatest strength was dummy fast wave clear with aoe weaponry?

Like ripper and grenade launcher

[quartz barn]

Ye but slower movement

[raven mountain]

He feels weak. He feels slow. He feels underpowered. They can all be said at any time. But when he isn't those things, your feelings—and the complaints based on them are just wrong. A personal problem and a skill issue.

Learn to think.

[quartz barn]

Aka worse dodges etc

[patent steeple]

sorry to interrupt your clearly more important conversation, but I have started to prefer Vstrike staff on meleeker build over laspistol.

[deft stump]

He is slow. Uses slab.

[cosmic sigil]

yes, there's choice now between light spam cleaver hh or pbb+blo rumbler spam

[deft stump]

Heh.

[frail oar]

Wait surety of arms increases void shard regen!?

[raven mountain]

Haven't tried bully slap build yet? Shits dumb.

Slab shield with GG and taunt is insane map control and durability.

And knife ogryn is fast as fuck.

[deft stump]

||Before you ask, am kidding. I can solo corruptors with bully club 3.||

[cosmic sigil]

I think i prefer light spam basher tbh

[deft stump]

Bully club with all +impact stuff.

Hilarious.

[raven mountain]

That's a fair take. Just loving zoomy ogryn.

People gotta keep up with me instead of the other way around.

Move speed on taunt/charge is dumb too. Not to mention on ranged kill.

And ignoring the heavy attack speed debuff is great for general mobility. Aren't limited to dodges.

[deft stump]

Just light spam, is funni.

[raven mountain]

So is slaps.

Ha ha, little babies on ground bleeding. Slap slap.

[deft stump]

Every chaff doing cartwheels

[raven mountain]

And run light slap build with taunt. Every slap gives back cdr. You just chain together self-vet shouts every 3 seconds which also gives movespeed and throws all the enemies around.

Basically cosplaying a slappy tornado.

And if you use the strike down club, you can two shot crushers if you need to between slaps.

[young cliff]

No, I mean as surely of arms was generating 25% peril instead of the 15% it was supposed to

[raven mountain]

And if you want to be a crack head, the other one combos slaps into punches.

So you slap/punch everything.

[patent steeple]

btw, if you were to play meleeker, would you use laspistol or voidstrike?

I personally use voidstrike, as its just better at so many things a ranged weapon does on a melee psyker build imo, such as:

• infinite ammo
• gets damage bonuses from both MM and Perfect Timing, meaning its more powerful after FGS horde clear spree compared to laspistol
• easier time suppressing groups of shooters compared to laspistol
• easier time killing armoured rager groups (meleeing them is kinda risky at times...)

in fact, the only problem I can find with voidstrike in this case is that it makes assail somewhat pointless in most situations that don't involve killing snipers...

[raven mountain]

But it's super easy to cancel, but it's funny levels of alternating spam clicks at high speed.

[marble crater]

None of the above, reconlas

[young cliff]

Personally would run Bistol, with the guarantee crit on weakspot hit triggering easy with assail you had an anti elite on a fast swap as well as a good mobility tool

[deft stump]

I had bullrush as emergency for bad corruptors.

[patent mango]

oh my god