psyker-class

[nocturne dust]

A black version of the penance armor

kinda

[mental grail]

same

[patent mango]

did jesus also wield a warhammer

[nocturne dust]

Yes, and they called him Sigmar

[strong gulch]

I'm down for speed running low havocs. Not right now tho

[upper sun]

nah

emperor hated that olly believed in god

if the emperor was jesus he would have rubbed it in his face

emperor was prolly the roman emperor that demanded his execution

[nocturne dust]

olly?

[upper sun]

olly yeah

oll person

[lyric radish]

word bearer primach?

[nocturne dust]

who

[lyric radish]

lorgar?

[upper sun]

a perpetual

[nocturne dust]

Grabthar

[patent mango]

is that the next dt class

[upper sun]

i hate u all

go read 5000 horus heresy books NOW

[lyric radish]

good hatred is greatest weapon for humanity

[nocturne dust]

no

[patent mango]

are they about darktide

[upper sun]

yes

[nocturne dust]

all the lore I know is pilfered off random internet discussions

[upper sun]

horus heresy is about darktide

[patent mango]

is swagger in them

[upper sun]

unironically tho

[lyric radish]

i mostly read from lexicanum until i can afford the delivery price at a working age buying novel

[upper sun]

the devs are 100% horus heresy fans

darktide feels closer to the older books more than any other warhammer game

[patent mango]

me when i read horus heresy and see what caused everything (they stabbed the emperor with ds4 once)

[upper sun]

they use a lot more horus heresy terminology than other games

[lyric radish]

not sure if the dev wait for the tyranid grand opening from Gw before implement genestealer cult in darktide

[late yew]

like what

[patent mango]

they're releasing genestealers when no1 mentions solo mode for a full month

[late yew]

I want eldar weaponry reeee

in fact

i want to play AS eldar

[patent mango]

wouldnt the zealot have a seizure and kill everyone

[upper sun]

im running a blank but shit like clandestine, tertiary etc the warhammerisms

[late yew]

... those are not warhammerisms

[patent mango]

this game has heresy like horus heresy

[lyric radish]

lorefully not sure if beast of nurgle is stronger or weaker than single plague marine

[upper sun]

theyre not used much in the real world but they are part of daily usage there

[lyric radish]

our rejects kill those daemon like flies

[patent mango]

our rejects stopped being human by like level 3

[upper sun]

the ogryn is an average ogryn
the vet is a preptual
the zealot is a living saint
and the psyker is a psyker

[patent mango]

how is the ogryn an avg ogryn when they're stronger than the 9381928 heretic ogryns

[lyric radish]

emprah light shrine upon them

[upper sun]

named character rule

[patent mango]

lol

[lyric radish]

those heretical ogryn get no love simple

[patent mango]

can normal humans even do any saint stuff or is zealot basically defo a living saint

holds up a little thingy and somehow stuns everyone..........

[lyric radish]

my headcanon is we are a experimental project of inquisition

[upper sun]

the heal is very not average

the relic thing

[lyric radish]

stronger then average human

[zinc phoenix]

Delete havoc as a party finder and add a havoc level to quick play

[upper sun]

were def a living saint

[patent mango]

i mean zealot has a relic weapon

somehow

[zinc phoenix]

I like the modifiers and rule changes

I just am so freaking sick of the havoc party finder minigame

[upper sun]

yeah but relic isnt a normal part of the equipment for anyone

its pretty much just them channeling their own powers

[zinc phoenix]

“Buh buh buh you’ll lose if you don’t plan” shut UP nerds

[upper sun]

kinda like how euphrati keeler held her own imperial symbol and banished a daemon while the power came from her not the symbol

SEE

WARHAMMERISMS

[zinc phoenix]

Too bad her last name wasn’t Keebler

[patent mango]

get le overhdead by le crusha

[upper sun]

bro is hongry

[patent mango]

survives and somehow heals 1 wound

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/juvvloaKKvb.gif

[upper sun]

I wanted this title for a long ass time

[zinc phoenix]

“The power of 🍪 compels you! Demon begone!”

[zinc phoenix]

But can you remember how long you’ve wanted it?

[lyric radish]

Speak of living saint can ogryn be one in a lore ?

[upper sun]

no

the emperor is racist

[zinc phoenix]

They have one, he’s called Saint Ignoramus

[patent mango]

they have one called brunt

[zinc phoenix]

Are they ever resolving the “where is Brunt” storyline 😂

[patent mango]

no

[upper sun]

brunt rescue mission NOW

[patent mango]

pleaseee

[zinc phoenix]

Brunt in da club

[patent mango]

underhive brunt rescue

[zinc phoenix]

Turns out he’s just been raving for years and is too hopped up on stims to come back to work

[patent mango]

then brunt comes up and we unlock red tier weapons

peak fiction.......................

[zinc phoenix]

Finally a use for some of my mats 😂

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-the-joke-ranier-wolfcastle-mc-bain-the-simpsons-stand-up-comedy-gif-4372917

"Aye"

[upper sun]

nah

next update is gonna be SOLO PLAY

with customizable BOTS

we can finally build stuff for our bots.......

someone post the copium emoji for me

[patent mango]

solo play with customizable bots with 5th class ogryn fist wep and they remove ds4

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-meme-pepe-frog-gif-26117735

[upper sun]

yes totally

with ironhelm thammer buffs

its coming TOMORROW

[dull scroll]

I'll take just bots able to push bursters 🙏

[cinder moon]

or bots not stealing medicae charges

toxic asf

[mental grail]

Grendyl has a relic weapon

We just borrow it

[nocturne dust]

We are owned by Grendyl. Don't have to borrow.

[analog agate]

Lol looking st party finder now. Havoc 20s hell. No way am I joining them

[nocturne dust]

I wonder if they'll nerf Havoc because some complain

[dull scroll]

they will buff it

[wispy bay]

Always get the twins with healing... can't beat their shell before they regen the whole hp bar...

So bs

[cloud night]

What a fun little perk~

[buoyant maple]

next update is prob new weapons

[patent mango]

mayb vet finally get something cool

[dusky crag]

Maybe vet will get something Lame!

[dull scroll]

most BS I've seen is hydro where you go up the elevator after mid event to cross a bridge

DH ritual on said bridge and then twins plus boss spawn

there's also the double ritual combo

[cloud night]

The barrel to the left of the portal can knock you up to this lil vent, cool

[cloud night]

Secretly just drops a whole ass tech priest class

[paper harbor]

hi @upper sun, my friend finished veteran level 30 now he's going play as soykey

i warn him the class is squishy and powerful

[raven mountain]

Yeah. I wasn't discerning enough this week. Lost a bunch with randoms.

[paper harbor]

my friend want me do heresy as level to carry him

"i want you do all heavy lifting bullshit" -my friend

[deft stump]

Most BS is, you play perfectly till near the finale, and the server disconnects 3 players and you lose because of it.

Or just server dies.

[ripe obsidian]

Purple enemies cannot heal other purple enemies.

[late sapphire]

I wish they copied how helldivers does it; disconnect unsalvageably or get kicked? it's ok, we'll put you in an empty lobby where you left off

[deft stump]

They just punish you if the server dies here.

[late sapphire]

It's nice because if someone annoys me i can just shoot em, get kicked and carry on in my own lobby

[ripe obsidian]

RIP. We had that happen a few times on our H40 run. Fortunately the Ogryn stayed connected and held the line

[deft stump]

Depends on how good the not kicked player is.

Also depends on what bs spawned when we were all gone.

I came back to 4 crushers on my head, someone netted and flamers.

Oh and the usual gunners.

Oh and everyone backed into a corner.

So much farts and burning.

This is why the demotion thing should just be removed. Unless they get better servers, too much unfair bs.

[crude cape]

how does the voidstrike staff feel in havoc (the ball shooting one)

[analog agate]

Bad

In anything above 20

[long wharf]

welp, tried to run a 25 in metalfab, game decided "fuck you, here's the Karnak Twins and 3 plague ogryns all at once" just past the first medicae station

even poor Slapaholic couldn't slap himself out of that one

[nocturne dust]

It and EK suffer from not having infinite cleave

[paper harbor]

my friend found 5 76% devil claw

that's sound fun

[analog agate]

Just played my havoc 33 with a marty zealot who used dclaw. And didn’t know how to parry smh. Fuck pubs in havoc

[long wharf]

havoc is even more punishing now than it was before

[deft stump]

I mean, that's pubs anywhere.

You gacha teammates, and 90% are all trash.

5% decent. 4% good, 1% gods.

[dusk void]

I can't with FatShark. I have not deranked at all

And fuck the lights out modifer

[nocturne dust]

You haven't deranked?

[analog agate]

I am on my last try for my 33

Also, bubble is still the way to go unless you know your teammates. It isn’t for shooters. But bosses. Guys just don’t know the maps to train bosses especially bon

[crude cape]

i have been queing with randos, its really rough out there. im down to rank 24 from 30 :/

[dusk void]

Nah, I didn't play any Havoc Missions this week. it was supposed to derank me

[crude cape]

only won a few when getting a lucky good group, and then they end up leaving after 1 lol

so many people dont understand the spawning and push too far ahead on a boss spawn and fuck you too, spawn 5 of them lmao

[nocturne dust]

yeh, even with good teammates I think bubble is still very valuable

Several times I've been downed due to a moment of lag or a couple gunners lasering me at the same time from across the room

[raven mountain]

Yeah. I ran shriek the first map or two, and I was like, nah, these guys can't function without bubble.

[nocturne dust]

Your time-to-death is just too low against ranged still

[wispy bay]

Having bubble is still the to go

It kinds of half the damage of the horde.

Also cancelling flammers and strappers.

[dusk void]

Havoc is still that bad, huh. And I'm over here thinking that Trauma + Venting Shriek is good in the new Havoc Update

[wispy bay]

Havoc is still that bad,
Nah, it is worse...

[patent mango]

whens havoc 3.0

[raven mountain]

It is worse in a different way. Gunners are less bs, but hordes thick and target priority is real.

[wispy bay]

It is not even fun bad like previous version.

[strong gulch]

I haven't played over 30 yet, but this new havoc seems both harder and more fun.

So far it's less pinned down in bubble.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, Shriek is good damage, yes, but at the end of the day you have a staff with infinite cleave

[strong gulch]

I can't speak to higher levels.

[nocturne dust]

No, I think the meta absolutely still is bubble hugging

[raven mountain]

It is fun to me, but when someone falters, shit goes downhill faster.

[dusk void]

I personally do not like the Inferno/Purgatus Staff, Trauma/Voidblast does excellent CC and can stagger almost any enemy type, except bosses and a select few

[nocturne dust]

You do have to be more aggressive.

[nocturne dust]

Trauma also has infinite cleave

Trauma and Inferno are both good. Trauma creates space, Inferno deals damage. It just depends what the team needs.

[raven mountain]

I love inferno, but I love dots. They make me feel good.

[nocturne dust]

but

Wdym, 'but'?

[strong gulch]

The one I played was less so that the previous version of havoc.

Not saying bubble isn't still meta, but we were pinned down like before.

[raven mountain]

I mean, I love it extra because it is dots.

[wispy bay]

VStrike all day long for me

[analog agate]

Also, fuck anyone who “insists” I use it inferno. I tried it for my first 33. Guess what happened? They ALL got boxed in by armor. 😐

[wispy bay]

Fire blasting is fun and you can delete priority targets from range.

[nocturne dust]

PF stays winning

[dusk void]

If the team is surrounded by Crushers and Bulwalks, Purga ain't stopping that. Trauma is better for those CC situations, I believe. And also, I have more hours with the Trauma than Purga

[raven mountain]

When rumbler got bleed+fire, I couldn't help but run it.
Knife has bleed, must run. FGS can now bleed? Can't help but run.
Fire shotgun can bleed? Oh my yes. Wait, I can take it with Shriek and have all the dots? gimme gimme.

[nocturne dust]

I dare you to take Vstrike into h40 and then post the scoreboard

[wispy bay]

Not at 40 though

Also, I don't use mod...

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[analog agate]

Blissful ignorance

[strong gulch]

danger circle stays winning

[nocturne dust]

Inferno is great if your other team members can create space

It just so happens Ogryn is really good at that

[raven mountain]

We didn't have a plasma for sniping, so I felt it was on me to deal with that. VStrike went okay in 30ish, but I also took void splitting in hopes of having more cleave.

[analog agate]

Yep. AND I have never really cared about people using meta stuff in havocs. You now need either meta or meta adjacent.

[raven mountain]

New ogryn feels so good at creating space.

[analog agate]

You really need to be able to dmg especially bosses

[nocturne dust]

Old Ogryn already was one of the best at making space

[deft stump]

You can run without, but it's much harder and requires gold toughness spam to compensate.

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, Havoc is now just a DPS race against the director's spawn rate

which I kinda hate

No room for patience or non-number-crunching skills. All damage all the time.

[raven mountain]

New taunt tho. multi-wave, multi-toughness, stagger gives cdr, elite kills gives cdr, psykinetic cdr. Shit can almost be up before its down.

[deft stump]

Funny when they claim the changes were to fix not needing meta.

[nocturne dust]

Lol, stacking even more cdr in Mortis goes absurd. I can vent quicker than I can generate peril on a no-ER EK

[raven mountain]

Yeah, they were more about changing the meta.

Can't just casually inferno everything always. Healers screw up your damage. Enraged enemies overwhelm poor frontlines.

[deft stump]

Thing is, it's no different. It's even less fun for some now.

[analog agate]

I mean. Shooters are definitely less threatening. So, yeah, you can switch up your ability somewhat. But you have to output dmg and fast. For me bubble isn’t necessary. But I have noticed teammates just can’t function without it

[strong gulch]

I legit could not build peril fast enough on regular trauma build. Just shriek for 1 SB stack. smh

[cloud night]

Staffker really doesnt have any good anti boss eh?

Unless theres a build for it

[nocturne dust]

Vraks + SG

[raven mountain]

Inferno is honestly reasonable at bossing.

[cloud night]

Staffker

[dusk void]

So we're pretending that BB doesn't exist?

[verbal thistle]

gun staff

[raven mountain]

It's not like plasma spam or thammer good, but it often outdamages most team mates.

[analog agate]

BB is horrible for boss dps

[nocturne dust]

Inferno + Uncanny

[raven mountain]

And best part of inferno is that you also hose down the horde at the same time.

[paper harbor]

assail?

[deft stump]

I mean, is why the bubble and gold toughness meta is here to stay.

[raven mountain]

assail bosses?

No.

[cloud night]

Aight
Guess warp baked nurgle meat's back on the menu for the ogryns

[paper harbor]

smite

psy is good for medium size and horde killing

[deft stump]

Maybe bonking with FGS counts?

[analog agate]

Yeah. It is just the reasoning is different for bubble for me now. But the end is the same. I run bubble unless there is another bubble

[raven mountain]

This actually does work, especially if you are maintaining a dot of some kind.

[deft stump]

They aren't OP if you are playing some extreme bs.

[nocturne dust]

It's better to use a melee with Uncanny to stack it on the DoT

[upper galleon]

this new meta is imo more diverse

[deft stump]

Maybe. I don't play too much.

[upper galleon]

and being forced to push forward and play aggressive>>> backtracking and camping

[jovial juniper]

Gun
Or
Double shield triple EP BB

[nocturne dust]

Hard disagree

[deft stump]

Not when there's so much bs you can't even push.

[nocturne dust]

Patience and taking your time is fine

[analog agate]

It definitely is. I am just complaining about bad players, that’s all. Essentially, pubs. Mostly, discord play is fine

[patent mango]

smite for boss dps

[elder glade]

I like SG and my poking stick for bosses

[raven mountain]

Eh. I've had about the same experience in here as in randoms, unless I go with a few known names.

[analog agate]

I go with known names, haha 😄

[paper harbor]

fgs after PA poke thing

[raven mountain]

And if it didn't cost me rank to fuck around, I'd be happy to.

[nocturne dust]

It is, but that feels like a result of Ogryn buffs

[patent mango]

new class dropped

[upper galleon]

just get a charge oggy

[nocturne dust]

I don't generally see any of the other classes doing anything new (and succeeding)

[patent mango]

now they just need vet to have weapons and more than 1 ability and zealot more than 1 build

[torn kernel]

Sg trauma lives on 😔

[deft stump]

Don't matter when more dook spawns to fill in instantly.

[torn kernel]

Charge again

[paper harbor]

my psyker reach 53 crits total with sg and riposte on fgs, i know knife is 15%

[long wharf]

just block, ezpz

[deft stump]

Now the oggy is seperated and has triggered a DH ritual.

GG.

[torn kernel]

Riposte on a weapon with crap dodges is wack

[raven mountain]

I got mine up to 82% in one rando-ass build, lol.

[torn kernel]

Get Shred on it or something

[raven mountain]

Empathic Evasion counts as dodging.

[upper galleon]

i can see stealth characters going pass the team to rush the daemonhost deads

[torn kernel]

Wait WHAT

[paper harbor]

you probably got that 66% peity blaze from zealot thing

[raven mountain]

Nope, no zealot cheese. Knife+Scrier's+All the crit in tree+Riposte

[nocturne dust]

or just rushing past everything and completing the mission without engaging ever

stelf

[raven mountain]

Yeah. If you crit and someone shoots at you, you now count as having dodged--so you get more crit for more free dodging.

It's the basis of my dumb crit knife scrier's build.

[torn kernel]

I thought it didn't work for "on dodge" blessings

the more ya know ig

[raven mountain]

I can doing a more intentional test rather than just eyeballing it while playing.

[deft stump]

Would be a good idea.

Better confirmed facts than speculations.

[torn kernel]

I swear it only counted for talents and not blessings that trigger on dodges

Though last time checked was like

Way back when

I haven't had Show Crit Chance enabled for months

[raven mountain]

No dodges

just walked up with scrier's and melee

EE triggers riposte

[torn kernel]

Oh shit that's pog

[raven mountain]

Double checked again in a separate attempt without running

simply walked from group to group

so unless there's some other factor I can't think of, it works.

[torn kernel]

Oh huh

Guess i thought wrong then

[raven mountain]

Theoretically, it works with precog too then

But then knife won't bleed, and that's like half my enjoyment of running it (the other half being crackhead playstyle).

So more likely than not, ideal Scrier's knife is EE riposte/precog because it simply is up all the damn time.

[deft stump]

Only time knoife no bleed is mercykiller vet.

[raven mountain]

I still run bleed knife on ws vet. xD

[torn kernel]

Does precog do more than uncanny in that case?

Idk if precog is like additive or w/e

[raven mountain]

But yeah, riposte fgs is less uptime on EE because of lower attack speed, but the principle carries over. I don't think of this as a new must-use tech, more so simply that it's fun and it is mechanically sound.

[torn kernel]

Because sg/dd already gives you a shitload of +finesse damage

[raven mountain]

idk, maths too hard. Just enjoyed running 80% bleed crit psyker who stands in front of reapers and ignores them firing at him.

[deft stump]

I do both.

[torn kernel]

Reaper racism is the best part of running sg

[raven mountain]

Ironically, the bleed doesn't end up accounting for a ton of damage, usually like 1/8-1/10 of the melee. But it miraculously accounts for like 20% of the actual kills. xD

[deft stump]

To be exact, I have 3 perfect knoifes on my vet now.

[torn kernel]

Probably just finishes off low hp chaff

[raven mountain]

^

[deft stump]

Thanks game.

[raven mountain]

which is nice because having to manually finish off all chaff is ass.

[deft stump]

I really need more mobility dump knoifes.

[torn kernel]

run pc with it for more dot shenanigans

[torn kernel]

for what purpose

[deft stump]

I was being sarcastic.

[torn kernel]

Oh

😔

[deft stump]

Is like my psyker with 7 +3 stam.

[hardy coral]

wish me luck, Havoc 40 run with people that i cant understand with a language gap.

[torn kernel]

You should buy and keep all +3 stams you find on psyker now just because

[torn kernel]

Just use body language

For example if they're on the floor then you should probably do something about it

[deft stump]

Err... they were emperor's gifts...

I stopped buying after the fourth.

[torn kernel]

Do you have any idea how much melk bucks i've spent looking for just one +3 on my vet

[deft stump]

Just incase I wanted to knoife memes on Psyker.

[deft stump]

My vet has 2.

I obviously use one of them.

[hardy coral]

true... it doesnt help their mics are like low key peaking.

[deft stump]

Shush, my mic is always on. Because my fan that keeps me from overheating is loud.

[pine tundra]

Is it better to use Toughness or HP Relics for Inferno/shield build?

[strong gulch]

They should just let us buy them or at least gamble with ordos like weapons.

I remember dropping 40k melks for a +3 stam on my 3rd psyker.

[quick tulip]

If you don't bring Melk a drink he gives you a fake +3 stam curio

[torn kernel]

Holy shit i thought i was cursed with shit luck

[pine tundra]

Whats the best build right now?

[quick tulip]

Whatever you like to play

[torn kernel]

The one you're comfy with

That's it, that's the secret

[quick tulip]

I dabble between a gunker with bubble and scriers gaze, but I always take disrupt destiny because movespeed go brrrrrr

[torn kernel]

No matter what you pull off of some online tierlist or whatever, if you don't vibe with it, you're not gonna be good with it

[cloud night]

So that was YOUR mic having an epiphany the other day.

[torn kernel]

With her fan running, it's every day

[cloud night]

lmao

[quick tulip]

I understand the desire for efficacy and efficiency but I'll always have a good laugh whenever somebody's asking for what's the best of anything in any game

Not directed at anyone but I'm always reminded of seeing people in the wild running a "meta" build in whatever game and still doing absolutely garbage because while they can equip X and Y and Z, they don't have any game sense on what makes it actually work

[deft stump]

It's my fan. I'm usually quiet for most part.

[deft stump]

That's just me on Oggy. Somehow better than many pubs in damnation while underlvled.

[torn kernel]

I'm so sick of seeing DS users just spamming lights on everything thinking it'll do much

[tepid python]

if you dont understand the why

[deft stump]

It's fine on poxwalkers and groaners.

Or if you really need to quickly refresh dodges.

Unless they don't use agile.

[torn kernel]

Yea but i've seen people do it for crushers and monsties

[deft stump]

Then IDK.

[deft stump]

They might as well just use knoife then.

[torn kernel]

Is the SP -> H1 loop really that difficult

I KNOW RIGHT

[deft stump]

Also.

[pine tundra]

For relics is it Health > Toughness?

[deft stump]

DS4 is just Heavy>heavy>heavy>heavy.

Just playing old oggy.

[torn kernel]

As long as you have at least 200 health, the rest go into toughness

[deft stump]

My vet is sus then... 189 HP, lul.

[torn kernel]

Unless you're asking for havoc, in which case it's health all the way because of golden toughness spam

[torn kernel]

Yea but you're a gremlin

[deft stump]

I mean. Stares at my Zealot.

[torn kernel]

Ah yes

[deft stump]

Where do you think a 314 HP Zealot goes for?

[torn kernel]

The zealot with more EHP than the average ogryn

[deft stump]

Nerfed to 245 HP but still.

[torn kernel]

Become the bulwark

[deft stump]

Look, I make it work unless my team is hopelessly incompetent.

[deft stump]

Bulwarks don't have inf dodges.

[faint citrus]

Will I see better equipment if I spam buy on mystery curios or if I wait till something good hits the limited time items

[prime elk]

it's all just gambling

if you have a bunch of melk bucks, buying rando curios is prob the best option

[deft stump]

One you can see, the other is throw a dice.

[faint citrus]

Yeah I got 12k so might just do that

At least put 5g in if I don’t see anything then I guess I’ll play the waiting game

[deft stump]

Warning, it's REALLY random.

[faint citrus]

😭

[deft stump]

I remember some people thinking it'll roll them purps or better, nawp.

[patent mango]

bro

[deft stump]

It's just like waiting for Brunt's normal shop on demand.

[upper galleon]

you see that with every patch they reset builds for

you have people coming in to ask for the meta build since their build got "deleted" and they just never had actually read the talents to know why they were good and what they did

[faint citrus]

Wrong forum bro

[deft stump]

But, but, Oggy skill tree changes.

Too little points to get stuff, reeeeeeeeee

[lone ravine]

let me just grab the entire tree man

no limits on talents please

[patent mango]

its scary... maybe its warp touched...

[lone ravine]

nahh the omnisiah blessed it

stop complaining and accept it

[patent mango]

profane doesnt sound too blessed i think... might be evil blessings...

[lone ravine]

still blessed by the omnisiah

now go slash heretics with it

[patent mango]

-#

[lone ravine]

ignore the voices while wielding it

[patent mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1351976144206954559/Warhammer40000_Darktide2025-03-1917-28-32-Trim-ezgif.com-video-speed_online-video-cutter.com.gif

[deft stump]

I want funni bigger boomies, but not enough points.

[raven mountain]

boomies goes exceptionally hard.

[faint citrus]

Spent two thousand got a perfect roll and one close to it

[hardy coral]

penetrating flames mixed with Wildfire is disgusting.

[deft stump]

I know, am a 'nadier vet.

[deft stump]

Luck.

Like, what can i even drop for 2 points to go into bigger boom.

[raven mountain]

Glory

weapon spec+survivalist ogryn grenadier, lol

[patent mango]

im trying a punch build

[deft stump]

But I'm lazy and wanna just many stam bonk and block. BIG BOOMIES SPREE only in emergencies.

[raven mountain]

make'm bleed, make'm burn, make'm splode.

[deft stump]

Hrm. Keystoneless Oggy.

[raven mountain]

idk, melee goes hard with melee keystone.

[patent mango]

nuh..

keystones too good now

[deft stump]

I just slab or push atk.

[raven mountain]

But pokey knife

and funny light bully club spam

[deft stump]

If I run bully, I'm spamming specials.

[raven mountain]

Also fun

bleed slaps go hard.

[deft stump]

More, it's funni.

Nothing beats funni.

NOTHING.

[raven mountain]

Cursed af. shield+bleed/fire rumbler.
Bash. Get lucky stacks. Shoot Rumbler. Repeat.

[deft stump]

Funni or bust.

[nocturne dust]

So bust it is

[raven mountain]

Is funni. Punching enemies with shield creates magical ammo out of your ass. And it's funni to stagger everyone's screens with explodies.

and you get the nice stagger/toughness/clustering from taunt.

[zinc phoenix]

Auric foundryplex with three very inexperienced players took a long while

Shoutout to the martyrdom psyker

We’ve all done similarly dumb things 😂

[hardy coral]

this is wild, 2 runs on Havoc 40 on Asia Pacific Central in a row and i have no idea what they're saying but our squad is goated.

[prime elk]

yup

gunker's even more busted than before

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-pikachu-pokemon-shock-surprised-pikachu-gif-15357817

[nocturne dust]

weird, Fatshark would never buff an already-strong playstyle

[drifting steeple]

seeing the new oygrn tree

yeah zealot could use a little rework

[cloud night]

Zealot is overdue for one

Its tree is kind of... yea
Basic as shit compared to the others

[hardy coral]

i guess if you ever want to complete multiple Havoc 40 runs in a row, you need to play on Asia Pacific Central servers.

[lilac summit]

i forgor who recommended using brainburst on my purgatus loadout

whoever did

thanks a ton

its running way better now

[drifting steeple]

for my soulblaze build idk if i should run ek or inferno

[hardy coral]

Kinetic Flayer & Souldrinker, along with Wildfire synergize super well with Inferno staff. can consistently get 1mil+ damage on Havocs, sometimes close to 2mil damage.

[drifting steeple]

i really want to have a build with inferno w the empyric shock node

but i want to use ek in something

[lilac summit]

i really underestimated kinetic flayer

its actually goated

i know it used to be goated with the old skilltrees

but goddamn

[hardy coral]

ye, the damage tick from Soul blaze can activate kinetic flayer, just dont be near bursters.

[lilac summit]

didnt happen to me yet

biting my nails everytime i see a white burning burster tho

[hardy coral]

it can activate on melee push too sometimes ive noticed.

[lilac summit]

new fear unlocked

[drifting steeple]

my instinct is to run ek in smite build but i dun wanna

[strong gulch]

Force sword or FGS PA only can trigger KF because it does damage.

Just pushing doesn't do damage.

[lilac summit]

im running knife currentlz

[strong gulch]

Do EK with KF and shriek

[lilac summit]

will probably go illisi then

or deimos

[hardy coral]

this is my melee weapon for Purge/shield build for high havocs, its great for spreading wildfire.

[lilac summit]

is blazing spirit good now?

[nocturne dust]

nope

[lilac summit]

it used to be kinda underwhelming

oh lol

[nocturne dust]

It's terrible, lol

[dull scroll]

another 40, only 7 bosses instead of 17, thank the rng god

[drifting steeple]

what about penetration of the soul now that theyve allegedly fixed it

[dull scroll]

also I retract everything bad I said about purge

[hardy coral]

penetrating flames is busted now.

[dull scroll]

purge is god tier

[nocturne dust]

Not that good.

[lilac summit]

purgatus is goated

[strong gulch]

Illisi on inferno/ purg??

[dull scroll]

orange and red gets destroyed by purge

but cucks VB

[nocturne dust]

PotS has the problem of requiring 75% peril on top of only being 10% rending on top of also fighting Empyric Resolve which is way better for damage.

[hardy coral]

i use it because everyone els uses the dueling swords, so im like no.. i want to be different, it actually works super well since i can still 1 shot Mutants.

[strong gulch]

With illisi?

[nocturne dust]

Mmmmm, you shouldn't be able to 1-shot mutants with Illisi in high havoc

[strong gulch]

Deimos I can understand.

[hardy coral]

i dont mean in Havoc though, in Maelstrom i can 1 shot, in Havoc 40's no, i primarily use it because it has a wide swing and can hit multiple enemies and proc soulblaze which will spread since i use Wildfire, so it is essentially being used like a shitty bleed build.

this is the inferno i use, i dont care about godrolls specifically since this just works, but ive noticed most of the time im easily over 1mil damage.

[strong gulch]

Maybe I'm just confused? I do have brain fog from a migraine.

You posted that you use illisi with inferno/ purg on high havocs.

Since crushers are purg's biggest weakness, that's why I was questioning it. #psyker-class messageAm

Am I misunderstanding or reading something out of context?

Or was the last message clarifying that you didn't mean to originally say high havocs?

[hardy coral]

i do indeed use Illisi Mk V on 40 Havocs, i just completed 3 40 Havos in a row with those exact weapons.

[strong gulch]

I mean illisi + inferno

[hardy coral]

the 2nd mission i was a bit sad since only damage i took was from barrels, yes Inferno + Illisi is what i use.

[strong gulch]

Ok

Great job getting through the high havocs with that. 🫡

[hardy coral]

i use it like a shittier Power sword.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, if you're in high Havoc you probably have teammates that can deal with the things you can't.

[hardy coral]

only issues i have is Crushers take a bit to kill, even when Kinetic Flayer procs, and the Captains take a while but im primarily a support build since my shield is up every 12 seconds or even quicker.

[nocturne dust]

Uh oh, someone said the word

support

[hearty wolf]

@nocturne dust @strong gulch I might be able to get away with one game now?

[hardy coral]

the whole point of the build is to just knock half the hp off the enemies but it builds up over time.

[nocturne dust]

I only have time for one game if you wanna do it now

[strong gulch]

I can try. Brain is being bad tho

So carry me

[hearty wolf]

is ok

will be like old time

[strong gulch]

I can die then spectate

[hearty wolf]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1045849643352862721

[nocturne dust]

lmao it's still broken

[hearty wolf]

Nah they shadow nerfed peril regen

Defo not your fault

And whyyy

I wonder what my in-game push to talk key is

[nocturne dust]

Eeeeyyyyy I fixed it

I just reinstalled my audio driver, e z

[hearty wolf]

anyone else want to join? Got one more spot

[ripe obsidian]

Wot kind of missions?

[hearty wolf]

Havoc

[ripe obsidian]

Getting to havoc 40 drained me, sorry

The derank system makes me not want to play it for the moment

[nocturne dust]

I feel that

[ripe obsidian]

Only on force weapons. Push on force weapons does 1 damage.

[strong gulch]

PA, not push

[ripe obsidian]

You are korrekt

[half iron]

my favorite staff is the infantry lasgun

[wispy bay]

Still need a leg?

[ripe obsidian]

Penetrating Flames doesn't work on Soulblaze. Only direct hits.

[nocturne dust]

@hearty wolf crashed

[hardy coral]

i know. im constantly firing away, literally so it works great on Maulers and everything i want dead, so i use it.

[ripe obsidian]

I'm just saying it doesn't synergize with the soulblaze spread from wildfire

Not a comment on the efficacy of the blessing itself. Brittleness is good in high havoc, as far as I can tell

[hearty wolf]

Full for now :>

Havoc will require some caffeine it seems

I just need to recover from jetlag debuff

Probs gonna have to swap off hammer to relic blade too

[strong gulch]

I should maybe adjust my build

[nocturne dust]

My damage jumps so hard tho

[strong gulch]

It do

[nocturne dust]

Infinite cascading PC goes bbbbbbrrrrrrrrrr

[strong gulch]

PC change is so funny

Someone said it was a bug that it wasn't working before.

[hearty wolf]

What did they change about it exactly

[strong gulch]

But idk.

[nocturne dust]

Soulblaze kills proc PC

PC spreads soulblaze

E z math, infinite soulblaze glitch

[strong gulch]

The SB DoT previously did not proc PC, and now it does.

[hearty wolf]

I thought that was how it was always intended

[strong gulch]

It's so silly now.

[hearty wolf]

Interesting

[nocturne dust]

Somehow the 31 soulblaze cap feels small with all that healing tho

This is banners all over again

[strong gulch]

You have PC and kill one special or elite in the meat grinder and the kill sound won't shut up

[hearty wolf]

Yeah that's partially why I want to swap to relic blade

I spend a lot of time just charging hammer up and it's hardly even worth it to get more than 1 thrust stack since things are all half hp

[nocturne dust]

Well, idk, we kinda need the boss damage

[strong gulch]

Legit is realistic to hit 31 SB cap as single psyker whitout crap tons of CDR.

[hearty wolf]

The problem is, it's really hard to hit the boss with how much shit was in the way

I was doing it anyway but it feels kinda janky

[nocturne dust]

Just wait for soulblaze

[hearty wolf]

I think it was cos of lag or something

[nocturne dust]

I do wish they'd buff thammer's reach

[hearty wolf]

I was like hitting an enemy then it would makew the sound effect 3 times but also not getting rid of the thunder

[nocturne dust]

It's like the only thing it needs for it to be perfect for me

[hearty wolf]

That or just allow sprint while charging

either works

[strong gulch]

I swear movement in general was messed with.

Things feel different and I am not the only one who feels like that.

[verbal thistle]

servers are broken

and there seems to be a diconnect bug

[nocturne dust]

I feel that too

[verbal thistle]

played a eu match and diconnect 7times and it crashed 4 times

ping was only 200ms

[nocturne dust]

thought I was paranoid tho that the game felt off

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/slide-drift-crash-fail-gif-16909243

[hearty wolf]

LMAO that's the way I felt

But!

I'm not having that bug where I'm getting stuck in the floor or the sky anymore

[nocturne dust]

[Script Error]: scripts/utilities/attack/critical_strike.lua:36: attempt to index local 'buff_extension' (a nil value)
Also, this is the error message that keeps crashing me

[hearty wolf]

The headshots were also not decapitating

[strong gulch]

My ability wouldn't trigger too.

I mean, I still had skill issue but so did the game. lmao

I don't know what space to continue means and the game doesn't know what my input meant.

[hearty wolf]

I'll trying sleeping after work or something so we can play when you're more fresh

[nocturne dust]

I'm never fresh

Lmao

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/493

[summer prairie]

Do you have the show crit rate mod

[nocturne dust]

I do

[summer prairie]

Probably that

[nocturne dust]

I just updated it

yeeeaaaahhh, I'ma see if I can trigger it

weird that it doesn't crash mortis tho

[summer prairie]

Did you crash when you died

[nocturne dust]

I think

but I've definitely crashed without dying and the error

is the same

[plucky flax]

Play with me today

[verbal thistle]

"today" for me is end in 40 min

[plucky flax]

Today starts an hour ago young buck

Go get some sleep

[verbal thistle]

finishing a pub 40

[plucky flax]

Seems low monsters spawn?

[verbal thistle]

only had like 2 weakened

[sturdy reef]

that was you?

Im thresius

[verbal thistle]

Hi

[sturdy reef]

nice smooth pug

[verbal thistle]

Funny twins spawn

[sturdy reef]

yeah

fuck twins

[verbal thistle]

And I think it was a 35?

[sturdy reef]

I think it was a 33

there is a 40 now

in pugs

[verbal thistle]

Played too much havoc today

I eep

[sturdy reef]

gn

[verbal thistle]

Ggs

[sturdy reef]

ggs

[plucky flax]

I was the zealot just vibing

[summer prairie]

Can't be bothered to report it but looks like the voltaic mastery buff for smite always dealing "max" damage doesn't work

[verbal thistle]

We could just remove smite

[summer prairie]

that would fix it yes

Does this work in actual havoc? Seems like staggering all the cultists simultaneously stops the ritual https://streamable.com/hnbwch

[nocturne dust]

Notably, Trauma has been very weird and staggering/triggering barrels way beyond the radius it would before the update

[summer prairie]

The same thing happened when using shriek with the mortis trials stagger buff

smite also works

[nocturne dust]

potentially good then

dun wanna take smite tho

[sturdy reef]

imagine smiting

[plucky flax]

Legendary 4 smiters h40 still haunt you

[torn kernel]

4 assail only run when

[wispy bay]

I want to try smite in this havoc ver2. But I fear that the enemy will heal faster than smite can damage them...

That's not counting the red elites...

[torn kernel]

Who the fuck uses smite for damage

[rich spindle]

EP chads

[mossy canopy]

Anyone know the base crit of a purg staff? Tryna buildcraft and wondering if crit soulblaze could work with it

[rich spindle]

it does work very well

[torn kernel]

Okay fair

[torn kernel]

All you need is warp nexus tbh

Though tbf, that's because that's the most crit you can get without veering to the right side of the talent tree

[strong gulch]

Only EK (electro) is the only staff that has extra crit because of the crit bonus stat.

Purg/ inferno doesn't get access to the blazing spirit blessing.

If you mean voidblast/ trauma, the flak + crit chance and nexus + blazing spirit is meta.

[mossy canopy]

I did grab Souldrinker and prescience yeah

[torn kernel]

I'd give my left ballsack to have blazing spirit on EK

Shit would be pog

[mossy canopy]

I meant more for the sake of empathetic evasion/souldrinker/etc but yeah. I do like trauma too tho

[torn kernel]

Doesn't souldrinker only proc on DoT kills?

[strong gulch]

Purg crits a lot with warp nexus and proc EE very well.

[torn kernel]

It's like, too inconsistent for the point tax i think

[mossy canopy]

hm

[wispy bay]

You don't know the horror.

[strong gulch]

Kinda. There is a server bug that makes what procs it inconsistent.

[verbal thistle]

Got called a cunt and told to fuck off because I told the smite psyker that it's not a good idea against red enemies

He died 1st to red enemy

And left

[torn kernel]

He's supporting, you deal a negligible amount of extra dmg to them when he's smiting

[strong gulch]

SB DoT has to be applied for souldriker, but sometimes non SB kills proc (like In Fire Reborn) and sometime not. The kill apparently has to happen at the same time as a SB tik.

[verbal thistle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1355639152607100978/1437AA1.MP4?ex=67eafa58&is=67e9a8d8&hm=bfbd8bd6be26c1c8a8404ba97dab708b1fddca88ef9ef2aa8b4f8d63afd3fb4c&

I have this funny clip (not same guy)

[torn kernel]

That's jank as fuck lmao thanks RotundFish

[mossy canopy]

Is smite still that bad? I remember it only being useful because it applied to the staff when it first dropped

[wispy bay]

Wound curio...

[verbal thistle]

You can easily spot 24/7 smyker

[torn kernel]

All about how you use it

[verbal thistle]

There is like 4 signs

[wispy bay]

Though, I don't think it was havoc.

[torn kernel]

Little bursts give you insane clutch/cc potential

[verbal thistle]

Running with smite, lighting name, wound curio, and a bad staff blessings

[torn kernel]

Holding it 24/7 would just fucking pause the game and make the mission take much longer to complete

[verbal thistle]

Outside of havoc, it's game breaking

And it sucks to use it or be around

So I team kill smykers

[wispy bay]

At least in havoc, smite doesn't do as much.

[mossy canopy]

Lmao, barrel shenaniganry

[verbal thistle]

Yup

And bursters

[torn kernel]

And that's a good thing

[strong gulch]

On top of that, the crit chance doesn't refresh while the crit chance buff is active. So you have to wait for it to expire before getting a fresh buff. Unless that changred recently.

Because it its location and jankness, it's not worth it for most builds.

[verbal thistle]

Pickaxe pull can pull busters

Into a psyker for example

[torn kernel]

Smite can edge bursters into your teammates too

[strong gulch]

Using smite to smite bursters into smykers.

[mossy canopy]

What do y'all like to pair with blaze trauma? Was thinking a dueling sword to pop muties

[nocturne dust]

That is indeed the meta option.

I use knife for speed.

[torn kernel]

Deimos

Or fgs if you want a bigger stick

[strong gulch]

Yeah DS. That's the main pick.

Knife, deimos, and some like FGS

[torn kernel]

Fgs forces you to give up mobility though

Which isn't that bad but also not insignificant

[mossy canopy]

Bigger stick is tempting but it feels more geared to clearing chaff that the staff has you covered on

or have I been using it wrong

[strong gulch]

I wouldn't say FGS is more geared towards hordes. That's illisi.

FGS is good at everything.

[torn kernel]

The heavies can like 2tap crushers/reapers/bulwarks

Force push is also a bonus

[strong gulch]

But like Idyll said, you give up mobility for it.

[torn kernel]

As well as the ability to jork it for extra peril

2-3 force slashes oughta get you to around 60ish from 0, even higher if you roll for a hella low warp res one

Though trauma gives you enough peril just by doing full charges i suppose

[strong gulch]

Yeah. Trauma gens enough peril.

The only time I've had difficulty keeping peril up is in trails with silly amounts of CDR and muktiple casts of shriek

[torn kernel]

Yeah i take illisi for trials for that reason lol

Don't really need the single target dmg anyway since everything just fuckin dies in trials

[nocturne dust]

I use bubble in trials

[torn kernel]

Electrocuting bubble is amazing

[nocturne dust]

There's a buff that makes it zap enemies inside it. Literally stunlocks everything.

[torn kernel]

I love it

[nocturne dust]

I once got it with a smoke vet that electrocuted anyone inside the smoke

[strong gulch]

So silly. I haven't taken bubble there yet, but I've seen the indulgence pop up.

[nocturne dust]

Zap squad

[dull scroll]

bubble is goated in trails, specials wave is a pain

[torn kernel]

I hate electric smoke

It's literally smite but you can't see shit

[nocturne dust]

Nah, it's cool

Game becomes tower defence

[torn kernel]

[nocturne dust]

Just sit inside smokey bubble and chat

while everything gets zapped to death

[mossy canopy]

not as bad as finding a squad full of ogryns using the long cluster grenades

eyesight is overrated

[torn kernel]

Nothing to see anyway in that case

[dull scroll]

the ogryns have a ritualistic tendency to spam box nades at the reward room non-stop

every single one I've met

[nocturne dust]

Unlimited assail is also fun but ruined the moment armor shows up

[nocturne dust]

I would too if I took box

[torn kernel]

Does the burning shard indulgence still work on carapace?

[nocturne dust]

Probably? It's on hit, right?

[torn kernel]

True

I gotta grab it next time i run gunker in trials

I've been running around with the shredder autopistol like a gunlugger on crack

Don't even have to let go of the trigger most waves

[ruby berry]

Same

[nocturne dust]

That's just Vraks

[torn kernel]

Can't sprint while shooting on vraks

[nocturne dust]

Don't need to

[torn kernel]

Also no cavalcade for the funny infinite crit ammo 😔

[nocturne dust]

They know what you did to earn the outfit.

[plucky flax]

Sry was me

[verbal thistle]

Was so funny

[oak plover]

FGS imo needs way higher damage for that mobility loss. Dueling sword, knife or deimos are my preference for Psyker. If you're using scrier's, the FGS is especially lackluster compared to those other options. Psyker is ultimately a class that needs the mobility especially in new havoc.

[verbal thistle]

Uh

Never compare anything to DS and knife and see how it is

DS is game breaking op

And shouldn't be in the game

[oak plover]

The DS was originally a Psyker weapon. I don't know why Psyker players need to be reminded of this.

[upbeat kestrel]

Ainz is right

Ir was op even then but it was not as pronounced

[strong gulch]

We know it was a psyker weapon.

[verbal thistle]

I was probably the number 1 user of it pre crafting update

Like 800 levels on melee psyker with ds

I know how broken it is

In every class

[upbeat kestrel]

Zealot being melee power house made Ds the most op melee in game

[oak plover]

Deimos is very strong too. The activation is useless though, but yeah good wep and the mobility isn't too much of a loss. Psyker is just a mobile class and you die if you can't move.

[verbal thistle]

I still don't think so

Psyker has access to the most cc abilities

[late yew]

... no. Just no. Iti s very normal lexic.

[upbeat kestrel]

Smite

[verbal thistle]

Trauma, smite, Shriek

Force push

[upbeat kestrel]

Shriek

Both knife and ds should not invalidate thunderhammer as anti armor weapons

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, but Ogryn is walking CC

[oak plover]

The CC helps yeah absolutely. Deimos, knife and DS all have CC and/or mobility built in too though.

[nocturne dust]

If it was a matter of pure CC, I think Ogryn wins with just how on-demand it is for him.

[strong gulch]

FGS is good at everything BUT it won't surpass weapons that are dedicated in one thing. Especially when comparing it to DS for single target.

If you know how or when the animation cancel, I don't lmao, you get a movement speed boost curve. Every weapon has it. I think FGS need you to hold attack for like 1.5s but also it might just feck up sometimes.

[upbeat kestrel]

Ds does not have CC

[weary idol]

ogryn can full knockdown poxwalkers just by dodging

can passively shove ragers with any weapon with no talents

[strong gulch]

The special can stagger most things but it's 1 target

[upbeat kestrel]

Thats not crowd

[hearty wolf]

DS cc is actually pretty nice tbh

It's also just free damage after every poke basically

[strong gulch]

You right. Just a C

lmao

[nocturne dust]

Crowd of one

[strong gulch]

DS has C

[hearty wolf]

BB is also C

Wait

[strong gulch]

lol

[oak plover]

It staggers everything if you alt attack the head. It'll also make bulwarks drop their shield.

[nocturne dust]

BB is.

[hearty wolf]

50% BB charge meta

[upbeat kestrel]

Yes it controls single target

[strong gulch]

The bulwark shield thing was patched out

sad

[hearty wolf]

I've actually been finding bulwarks really dumb this patch

Or well

Operating normally

Instead of tracking you

[strong gulch]

You mean when people kill the halo target.

[oak plover]

The hordes of bulwarks has been pretty awful and I've been using trauma more again for that reason

[hearty wolf]

I forget who's clip it was. Think it was @upper sun trying to thunder hammer a bulwark and failing like 6 times in a row xd

[weary idol]

I've been using ogryn privilege (being tall) to headshot them over their shield

[nocturne dust]

Smh my head, Inferno kills Bulwarks faster than Trauma, especially if you use +unyielding

[hearty wolf]

I really want to do more havoc but set the pace more for me. I think it's actually okay

[nocturne dust]

It is okay, I did an h40 with Syllo and Chaos and it was fine

[oak plover]

Huh. Interesting. I actually go for the shortest I can on the characters for the ability to cover so I may have to adjust the height of my Ogryn.

[hearty wolf]

Like those Dark communion runs felt a bit mismanaged and disorganised

[nocturne dust]

Syllo had shriek inferno tho

[hearty wolf]

Shriek ferno sounds like a good play

[nocturne dust]

I'm honestly kinda interested in seeing how a Scrier's Inferno would fair in Havoc

[nocturne dust]

well, yeah, is soulblaze. It's the blaziest.

[hearty wolf]

That Scrier's buff looked very interesting tbh

[nocturne dust]

Too bad DD doesn't do much for Inferno.

[strong gulch]

I'm curious

[oak plover]

Probably not great is my guess unfortunately, but scrier's and las gun is crazy good

[strong gulch]

DD still buffs damage.

Even if it's not weakpoints

[nocturne dust]

Scrier's Inferno is fine, because Inferno is fine

[nocturne dust]

yeah, but not well

[oak plover]

Yeah it's still essentially purg staff, but you get the benefit of huge range and the disadvantage of now needing ammo

[strong gulch]

Warp charges now work with SG , so I wonder what the uptime for WU would be like.

[nocturne dust]

Well, no, not a chance

Recon by comparison is crap

[strong gulch]

Also, I haven't exploded because of WU bug this patch.

[nocturne dust]

No infinite cleave

[hearty wolf]

Fixed?!

Also

[strong gulch]

I have exploded because of a lag spike or the 97% bug tho.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-homer-simpson-simpsons-worst-day-of-your-life-so-far-bart-gif-11689059539835963602

[hearty wolf]

I noticed ecclesiarch's call with EK changing breakpoints for you I'm pretty sure.

But since enemies weren't getting cc'd, running it feels like of shit

[strong gulch]

No clue. So many changes that weren't noted.

[hearty wolf]

I'd really rather run FOTF like I used to just for more consistent boss bonk

[oak plover]

That is the downside yeah, but with Ogryn now being such a strong frontliner cleaving everything one can argue the psyker may be better off either providing the excellent CC via trauma/smite or nuking priority targets and bosses now

[hearty wolf]

Foft makes hitting things much more manageable too

[nocturne dust]

The main reason to take Scrier's is it gives you space since it'll help kill the things in Inferno range quicker. Losing out on bubble in Havoc hurts tho.

[strong gulch]

Ye, it felt iffy.

[nocturne dust]

Psyker does not nuke in the slightest

Psyker is the worst boss killer of all the classes, lol

[hearty wolf]

You were fucking destroying scab ragers in one hit very consistently.

[oak plover]

Not having bubble or shriek is a problem definitely. Scrier's with the las gun nukes seriously. You should try it.

[hearty wolf]

Which is kind of interesting since I felt like the maulers still took 2

[nocturne dust]

I have run gunker, lmao

[hearty wolf]

The problem with boss Psyker is the opportunity cost too. It means you're probably not horde clearing

When you're the most efficient horde clear by a mile

[strong gulch]

The break points didn't even feel that bad, but when everything is so close together it was really hard to pick out targets.

[nocturne dust]

Psyker's main thing is clear, yeah

[quartz barn]

Just run fgs for hordeclear

[strong gulch]

Also enemies closing in from multiple directions made me want trauma.

[quartz barn]

If gunker

[oak plover]

It's this build specifically. I don't know if it is new havoc viable, but yeah the damage is there.

https://youtu.be/3AbK05gyC4Q?si=K09b5JhtqPnQPl03

[nocturne dust]

FGS ain't clearing a horde of elites in 5 seconds

sadly

[quartz barn]

It can but requires charge

[nocturne dust]

Tanner video, ew

[strong gulch]

oh no

[hearty wolf]

Ngl trauma would really help. I feel like we were suffering a bit with controlling hordes.

[quartz barn]

[upbeat kestrel]

Stop watching this guy and forget about him

[nocturne dust]

warp expenditure

[upbeat kestrel]

Hes wrong 4000% of the time

[nocturne dust]

Lmao 💀

[hearty wolf]

I don't mind EK though because I very rarely had to pull out my revolver.

Because of the increased intensity, I'm also burning through revolver ammo much faster

[verbal thistle]

It's always the tanner videos

[nocturne dust]

Bro has warp expenditure on Gunker

[oak plover]

Tanner is controversial yeah

[strong gulch]

Ye. There were multiple times that I wish I had trauma. EK is great for specials, but so are you.

If shooter are a real problem , may be EK.

[nocturne dust]

"controversial" is putting it mildly

Even ignoring his personality, his builds are not good

and his info is often wrong

[upbeat kestrel]

Always wrong

[nocturne dust]

and the best part is that he always uses wording like 'best build ever' or 'world first' (like his h40 video, lol)

[hearty wolf]

:)

It honestly just might be a mismatch of equipment because I'm guessing most zealots still favour relic blade so they tend to be better at horde clearing and more consistent elite clearing albeit slower

I don't think shooters even exist anymore lmao

Not in the runs we did anyway

[strong gulch]

Right?? Was it melee only?

[nocturne dust]

Gunker isn't for Havoc even with the absurd buffs anyway. Havoc just needs infinite cleave so badly now, it's hardly funny.

[verbal thistle]

Current bug I think. Ambient enemies being the same throughout the mission

[oak plover]

Zealot seems to be in an interesting place too now with the Ogryn adjustments. I'm often finding it better to take knife with zealot now for the added chorus spams and just flame the shit out of hordes.

[strong gulch]

inch rest ting

[verbal thistle]

In auric ambient enemies switch from dreg and scab and ranged and melee, etc

From zone to zone

But I've noticed current havoc being only 1 type of standing enemies

[nocturne dust]

Like, until the day guns start ignoring Bulwark shields and cleaving carapace (or those enemies spawn way less), staves will reign supreme in Havic.

[verbal thistle]

They did adjust ambient enemies (more often and more elites) so maybe they changed something else while they were tweaking that

[nocturne dust]

And the fact Havoc is just a stupid DPS race now doesn't help

[dapper shadow]

man I finally got it

[nocturne dust]

Noice ASS

[oak plover]

I think you can run a gunker in havoc, but it's just debatable if the ammo is a better use for veteran, zealot or even ogryn now with the rumbler/heavy stubber

[nocturne dust]

You can, just like you can run a Zealot without Until Death, technically.

It is far from meta.

[oak plover]

Havoc being scarcity based is definitely forcing Psyker into that staff dependency role which makes sense

[nocturne dust]

Even ignoring scarcity and assuming infinite ammo, meta staves output far more damage over way more enemies.

Fatshark saw the infinite cleave, and said 'this really needs to be even better'

[oak plover]

Damage and/or CC yeah. Purg or trauma are just very very good. I need to fiddle with the electric staff some more.

[nocturne dust]

There's a reason I specified the meta staves. EK and Voidstrike lag behind.

Because they lack infinite cleave.

[oak plover]

Yeah, voidstrike especially is just garbage unfortunately

[nocturne dust]

How the mighty has fallen 😔

Oh well, I still enjoy gamblestaff

[upbeat kestrel]

In normal play ball staff is good

[verbal thistle]

I think VS works well with purple on havoc

[oak plover]

It's fun outside of havoc anyway, but yeah it needs buffs now

[upbeat kestrel]

And funny

[nocturne dust]

purple?

[verbal thistle]

Healing

To 1 tap healers

[nocturne dust]

...I feel like it's pink

[verbal thistle]

My name is pink

[nocturne dust]

Yeh

[verbal thistle]

They were darker

[nocturne dust]

Yeh

There are dark pinks

[oak plover]

EK may become more meta though and we'll have to see

[weary idol]

shotgun funny

[nocturne dust]

But I was busy getting my arse beat so maybe I didn't pay enough attention

I also have funky monitor settings due to sensitive eyes

[nocturne dust]

It is meta. For Auric.

[strong gulch]

They need to adjust the enemy highlight colors.

The "orange" and the purple are to pinky.

ALSO, whose bright idea was it for angy enemies to be red when that is the tag color??

[weary idol]

if they're already glowing red why do you need to tag them

[oak plover]

Oh yeah that's the light machine gun meta though. The charged does offer a little CC and is that hybrid between purg and smite.

[nocturne dust]

well, no, the issue is you can't see the actually-tagged high-value target

[strong gulch]

I play with color a lot. I have a palette of just greens with 100 "totally different" flavors of green and and I am gonna complain about the color choices.

[dapper shadow]

I still use voidstrike a lot :(

very fun

[verbal thistle]

Wait till you find out the colors overlap

Purple overlaps orange

[nocturne dust]

I do too

is fun

[dapper shadow]

only really use voidstrike and voidblast

[verbal thistle]

Red overlaps purple (maybe)

[dapper shadow]

purge is just kinda lame gameplay wise

[nocturne dust]

Mad talk for someone in soulblaze cascade distance

[strong gulch]

It's a mixed signal and also I tag so I can see better. I some trouble distinguishing targets from the surroundings.

[oak plover]

I personally find voidblast more fun over the two

[nocturne dust]

That's why I use Inferno

[dapper shadow]

Yup I love voidblast

[nocturne dust]

No need to see

Burn everything

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1310894228339167334/Fire_Elmo_V5.gif

[strong gulch]

ture!!

wait

true

[steep crow]

How does one post imagines to this chat? I'm confused there isn't an option?

[nocturne dust]

Talk, get role, post image

[hearty wolf]

That's a way to play. Really the "best" way to play is run full CDR with backstabs AND crit so you have chorus constantly.

But that's so fucking boring

[nocturne dust]

Must be orange

[sturdy reef]

its bad

bad build

why tf

are you going cd aura on gunker?

[hearty wolf]

That's what it felt like. Which definitely made it feel more intense

[sturdy reef]

why skip KD if you are gonna melee a lot?

its free value

[steep crow]

How do you just get a role? Only here to help hence why I wanna be able to post shit to see if it's good or not lmao

[nocturne dust]

Smitekers about to fight for 'most boring' title

😤

[sturdy reef]

and he chose smite

[strong gulch]

Just chatting

[sturdy reef]

and the TGH SG node

[nocturne dust]

Talk

[sturdy reef]

just go assail + warp unbound

dont have to get by crack of bone

[nocturne dust]

It is fairly quick too

[sturdy reef]

really make use of warp rider

like

bro

[steep crow]

Whelp, talk talk talk, talk, talk

[hearty wolf]

I genuinely think smiteker is more interesting. At least you can kill things and see the lightning chain. You have to dodge things too sometimes if it's not cc'd

[sturdy reef]

u also have peril reduc on ranged as well

shit build

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you can't get cdr and book at the same time

[hearty wolf]

Really zealot's tree is giga fucked and needs a rework

[sturdy reef]

yes

[nocturne dust]

so you are still playing the game

[sturdy reef]

nerf duellist

rework tree

[steep crow]

More talk

[sturdy reef]

and their useless stuff

[nocturne dust]

Fatshark about to nerf duelist and replace it with nothing

[hearty wolf]

That's fair but since book knocks them over, you just backstab a few infested and gg

Duelist isn't necessarily bad. It's the actual amount of point tax and shit skills in the tree that don't do anything

If the were to just remove duelist, zealot would be so bad

[nocturne dust]

Duelist is bad because of its concentration of power