psyker-class

[upper galleon]

maybe you have to block it cause the ally the captain was facing didn't go down

[jovial juniper]

That's Aura

[marble crater]

If anyone would be a sarcastic dweeb it would be the psykers, no?

[jovial juniper]

You got mogged

[upper galleon]

dude took nothing

wtf did fatshark code

[long wharf]

the warp

[shrewd comet]

is it better to use brittleness or blaze away with the inferno staff?

[upper galleon]

did it do HP damage for some reason cause your toughness didn't go down

[upper galleon]

blaze away

[marble crater]

Blaze Away

[jovial juniper]

Blaze Away

[patent steeple]

blaze away

[shrewd comet]

something tells me blaze away is the better option...

xD

[jovial juniper]

"I can do this with my hands tied" ahhh type beat

[jovial juniper]

Penetrating Flames is like 3rd option, it ain't bad just the competition is better

[patent steeple]

wow, we all just typed the same response in quick succession... this somewhat feels like we are on nearly the same level of hivemind-esque behaviour as Zealot chat...

[shrewd comet]

so something like this then?

https://i.imgur.com/ZUzSO9C.png

[long wharf]

more like there's only one right answer

[patent steeple]

exactly like that, actually, although the damage stat could be a bit lower...

[marble crater]

Yes

[shrewd comet]

lower? so try for one that has even lower warp resist?

[marble crater]

Keep that, don't touch it

[upper galleon]

you can dump warp resist on psyker staff

and should, inferno doesn't even generate a lot of peril

[patent steeple]

I know, I just meant inferno could always be fine with a damage stat of 60% for more soulblaze stacking opportunities, but that might be outdated info...

[shrewd comet]

i always figured having lower warp resist would be better than lower damage

thats why i havent improved this one anymore

[patent steeple]

yeah, a lower than 80% damage stat on inferno is mostly just personal preference anyways

[upper galleon]

zleaot flamer dumps damage but zealot also gets less damage bonuses for range

[shrewd comet]

plus i get to hit my peril buffs sooner

:>

[upper galleon]

pskyer has more damage boosts and warp resist being lower is a buff

[upper galleon]

doesn't really matter since wildfire is capped anyways

[shrewd comet]

i dont even use wildfire

-_^

[patent steeple]

I never use wildfire with inferno myself, as applying the soulblaze is easy with that particular staff compared to blaze voidblast...

[shrewd comet]

i opted to go for souldrinker because why not

[patent steeple]

from what I can tell, Empyric Shock is good on inferno builds, because you can stack it super quick and it buffs soulblaze as well.

[shrewd comet]

remind me what that does again?

[marble crater]

Because it's a bad talent, that is why not

[patent steeple]

shoot enemy with staff left click to give enemy a debuff that increases warp damage.

its 6% per stack, maxing out at 5 stacks, and has a 10 sec duration.

[patent steeple]

but you might have some trouble with affording anything extra like Empyric Shock if using Warp Charges...

I myself use EP (the blitz buff keystone) because firstly its cheaper to get than Warp Charges, and secondly it buffs Brain Rupture (my preferred blitz for inferno build)

[long wharf]

I don't see a reason to spend talent points on any of that little trio of nodes

especially not with purge staff

if you have spare points, you're missing something better

[wooden sand]

Thoses nodes on the side of the upper tree?

They can be useful

[analog agate]

BRO, 12veg are spicy af. So many bosses. So many full hp bon

[ripe obsidian]

You should use wildfire.

[long wharf]

the ones around using staff primary attack

if you have points for any of those, you're missing something far more valuable

[analog agate]

According to reddit, taking wildfire is a meme 😛

[ripe obsidian]

The first 4 stacks of Soulblaze does very little damage. Skipping manually applying that is a big boost.

[analog agate]

Or so I have been told by multiple probably low level psykers

[long wharf]

you aren't going to see wildfire boosting your damage that much

[ripe obsidian]

I used to think Wildfire was bad. Then I saw entire hordes I never even breathed on engulfed in blue flame

[plucky flax]

Hmm oggy shield with big attack speed is kinda good

[wooden sand]

Thats literally one of the ways to get a powerful single target

[fresh reef]

Which staff is the weakest?

[analog agate]

voidstrike

[ripe obsidian]

That's not correct. Again, the first four stacks of Wildfire do like 16 damage per tick. It scales exponentially. So if you're putting a 5th stack on manually, it goes to like 25 immediately, then 40.

Not counting whatever other damage bonuses you have

Also, gives you In Fire Reborn stacks more easily

[fresh reef]

Also also, funny interaction

Wildfire can make your flames jump to a specialist, instakilling it with Flayer and immediately applying more soulblaze

[ripe obsidian]

This is true as of this patch, yes

KF couldn't pop on soulblaze before

[long wharf]

it's not exponential

[ripe obsidian]

......?

What

[fresh reef]

God I fucking pray it's intended

[long wharf]

the best argument for Wildfire is In Fire Reborn procs

soulblaze damage isn't exponential, check Pygex's doc for the damage table

[ripe obsidian]

"Damage scaling is using the smoothstep (S1) function, therefore, the damage has approximately exponential scaling with low amounts of stacks, approximately linear scaling with 11 or more stacks and then approximately logarithmic scaling with 21 or more stacks."

[upper sun]

hes using the strict mathematical definition of exponential growth

[ripe obsidian]

4 stacks = 17 damage per tick. 8 = 41. 12 = 83. Etc. Getting the first 4 stacks out of the way automatically is a massive damage increase over the course of a game.

[long wharf]

except Wildfire isn't applying 4 stacks to all nearby enemies, is it

[ripe obsidian]

Yes. It is.

[long wharf]

Wildfire is applying 4 stacks distributed to nearby enemies

not 4 each

[ripe obsidian]

Because you're killing like 50 enemies at a time

And so they all get the fire

It spreads and spreads. I've looked at the code for this. It looks at all nearby enemies and distributes 1 per enemy with <4 stacks until it runs out. Then that enemy dies and does it again, and then again. Pretty soon everything has 3-4 stacks, even things way outside of your reach

[long wharf]

I've looked at the code as well

[ripe obsidian]

The goal with Soulblaze is to get max stacks as quickly as possible. Wildfire increases the speed of this.

[long wharf]

the issue is - how much is it helping you kill things you aren't already actively attacking

the answer there is - not much

[ripe obsidian]

I literally explained this.

You get stacks on them before you attack them.

Then when you attack them, you ramp up faster

[long wharf]

if applying stacks was a slow process, I'd agree with you more on "bootstrapping" the stacking

[ripe obsidian]

If you save a second per enemy killed, it's successful.

But I'm not going to debate this with you anymore if you're too stubborn to listen

[long wharf]

disagreeing isn't being stubborn

but then, I don't even like using purge, it doesn't feel good

[ripe obsidian]

True. Sorry, that was snippy of me

[long wharf]

I just wish we had more options for applying soulblaze

I want a talent node that gives us that option for whatever weapons we want to use

or abilities

[shrewd comet]

so what exactly is a great all-rounder inferno staff build? and is warp siphon better than EP?

[ripe obsidian]

There's shriek, trauma perk, purg, PC, and wildfire. I think that's all? Not sure

[long wharf]

if you want to focus on soulblaze, you don't go EP

[ripe obsidian]

For soulblaze application, I mean

EP is best for smite builds, I believe

[shrewd comet]

should i get kinetic resonance?

[long wharf]

warp siphon is the only thing that targets actual soulblaze usage

[copper jay]

Why ?

[shrewd comet]

basically im having trouble deciding over Wildfire or Kinetic Resonance lol

[autumn crest]

anyone up for Malleus Monstronum penance?

[modest patrol]

Did not expect to get a response on this… two months later 🤣

[copper jay]

I'm full of surprise

[modest patrol]

Clearly lol

[glacial vapor]

I can help if you need it

[ripe obsidian]

I prefer Wildfire. Ideally you won't be using Brain Burst often.

[shrewd comet]

should i drop empathic evasion for wildfire?

[summer prairie]

in havoc, no

WF is nice and all but you are mostly padding your stats

[shrewd comet]

https://i.imgur.com/AMY3KRm.png

[ripe obsidian]

Though I am using BB a lot in new Havoc 40s. Trying to pop random gunners and things once things in purg range were dead

[shrewd comet]

is what im running

[copper jay]

So do you like playing Max Height ? Most people seems to prefer the min height for Psyker

[summer prairie]

I'm using unbuffed BB yeah in high havoc

[modest patrol]

I have a Giant Lady (max height) zealot, but I prefer a Short King for my psyker, who’s my main

[autumn crest]

thanks, joining a strike team

[shrewd comet]

does height affect your hitbox?

[modest patrol]

Yes!

[ripe obsidian]

With or without KF, to clarify?

[summer prairie]

I've KF

[modest patrol]

Though also it can make it hard to reach items that are higher up

[summer prairie]

but like I'm using it as a blitz too

[glacial vapor]

Just booting up the game, 2 aecs

[cloud night]

It also affect how much you have to aim up to get headshot and weakspot hits in

So its up to you

[ripe obsidian]

As am I, which is unusual. But I am realizing you said that in response to me

I end up clearing all the chaff and there are still elites or specials in the distance

Plus it eases some ammo burden on my teammates

[plucky flax]

What's that node upper right of the aura wtf

[summer prairie]

+5% toughness dr, I'd rather take Unlucky for some

[ripe obsidian]

5% TDR

[plucky flax]

Take wildfire

[marble crater]

Take KD

[clear heath]

5% tdr is worse than a +15 toughness node

hell in havoc, the 3rd +15 toughness node is roughly equivalent to 20% tdr

[analog agate]

Monster specialist mutator now owns 99% of people again

[ripe obsidian]

The trick to monster specialist is to hide behind the Ogryn and throw things at them

Ogryn will protect me

[idle pond]

Does anyone know what the mortis trials upgrade for assail is?

[sturdy reef]

why doesnt highest rank completed count for your ran k

I really dont understand it

what is even the point of the catchup system

[summer prairie]

so it actually slightly means something

[sturdy reef]

you can get carried regardless

[jovial juniper]

Assail kills replenish assail
Assail applies burn

And I don't got the others

[sturdy reef]

why would you want to do a havok 4 ranks above yours if it only ranks you up by 1?

the same as your next assignment anyway

[summer prairie]

maybe it's more fun, why do you do havocs anyway

[sturdy reef]

makes 0 sense

[jovial juniper]

The first one is hilarious because with 3 scries you basically have infinite assail

[sturdy reef]

maybe its more fun if someone does a havok 10+ ranks aboev theirs, whats your point

[summer prairie]

yeah so just do havocs higher than you rank, does it matter if your number only goes up by 1

[fathom adder]

Fatshark probably looked at the stats and saw how many people got to 40 and never touched Havoc again, and how many of those people were carried to it

[granite mauve]

i'd play havoc past reaching 40 if it wasn't the same 2 modifiers

[clear heath]

All the rank changes are likely just ways to keep people playing havoc longer so party finder doesn't die.
imo it seems like it isn't working

[granite mauve]

that's the intent

but it just ends up becoming a chore

[clear heath]

I haven't checked this weekend but party finder was pretty dead when I was trying to get games during the week

[summer prairie]

FS doesn't care whether you play havoc or some other mode

they'd probably rather have you play regular modes

[granite mauve]

they care about player retention

[summer prairie]

well people who quit when they reach havoc 40 weren't going to stick around anyway

[clear heath]

Rank decay as a mechanic only really exists to keep you playing. That's the whole point

[summer prairie]

rank decay is basically not a thing anymore, you don't even have to finish a map

[granite mauve]

and that's a known way to incentivize people to keep playing

[clear heath]

and stopping people from jumping ranks and deranking people for losses is also a pretty clearly a way to extend playtime

[summer prairie]

sure

by a week

[clear heath]

too bad it's just annoying

[granite mauve]

probably the worst change

[summer prairie]

the way deranking works is bad and is almost certainly going to get changed

[granite mauve]

yeah

in 5 months

[long wharf]

what FartShack has fundamentally misunderstood is that the people crying out for harder content, the TryHards(tm), are a vast minority of the playerbase

high havoc isn't fun

[clear heath]

I'm okay with the slower climb if the deranking thing is changed

[sturdy reef]

Same

[granite mauve]

(and it isn't really hard either)

[long wharf]

allow players to select the havoc difficulty they want, up to what they've personally cleared

get rid of deranking entirely

there's no utility to the rank mechanics in a PvE game

make the modifiers randomly selected when players click "Run Havoc Mission"

get rid of Tox Gas

throw Maelstrom modifiers into the mix

[lone ravine]

melee only would be a cool modifier to see in havoc

might be hell but it’d be cool

[granite mauve]

bring havoc modifiers to the auric board

[long wharf]

take some of the ideas from Mortis to make additional modifiers, like "Oops All Trappers"

Trapper Swarms

[granite mauve]

that's been requested since havoc came out

and also fatshark

[fathom adder]

Just remove downranking already, game instability on its own is enough to justify getting rid of it

[granite mauve]

stop fomo'ing modifiers

[long wharf]

stop the fomo bullshit entirely

[upper sun]

havoc and trials should have their match making systems reversed

[lone ravine]

the oops all monstrosity waves that don’t summon weakened monstrosities

[fathom adder]

fatshark stop fomo'ing
Never gonna happen

[long wharf]

from cosmetic shops, from mission selection, from everything

[granite mauve]

also fuck the blockade mechanic

unrionically dogshit

[summer prairie]

I think it's hilarious

[lone ravine]

wuh?

wdym by blockade mechanic

[granite mauve]

if you go back 1 room it spawns 10 bulwarks + a wave

[summer prairie]

if you backtrack "20" units from your furthest progress, it will spawn a ton of bulwarks

[cloud night]

oh

[upper sun]

fuck bulwarks peroid

[granite mauve]

the worst enemy to fight in game

[lone ravine]

what

The fuck

[clear heath]

oh that explains the bulwark wall I saw once

[summer prairie]

it's not one room, though on some maps the calculation seems weird

[lone ravine]

why do they punish backtracking???

[hearty wolf]

Backtracking was broken

[summer prairie]

so you don't always just pull back to areas with 0 enemies

[granite mauve]

i had a burgle in a corridor, and backtracked 1 room because, well it's a burgle in a corridor and it triggered

[hearty wolf]

Literally eliminates any and all threats

[granite mauve]

fuck this

[summer prairie]

it's boring gameplay

[granite mauve]

sometime you just don't have a choice

and you get punished for something out of your control

[summer prairie]

then deal with it or die

[granite mauve]

dumbass logic

[hearty wolf]

It's always in your control, it's just a matter of skill

[summer prairie]

uhuh

[ripe obsidian]

The bulwark sandwich isn't too bad if you push forward between waves

I only had it happen like 3 times between 30 and 40

[hearty wolf]

You are so hilariously broken in this game that even a bulwark wall isn't too much of a threat with a decent team. You get to pick what kind of risk and strategy you want to adopt

[shrewd comet]

is the FGS a good pairing for inferno staff?

[fathom adder]

There should be some middle ground where backtracking is allowed in order to fight on better ground if you have to, but players are still incentivized to push whenever possible

Maybe having enemies spawn according to some kind of time based system

[granite mauve]

no no you don't get it

just phase thru the burgle blocking ur path in the corridor

skill issue

[summer prairie]

I had it happen at the beginning of Gloriana and we had progressed at most maybe halfway of the first outside part and then pulled back

and then got a second wave after clearing the first

[ripe obsidian]

It's more that it throws a wrench into your plans when there are already major threats pressuring you

[hearty wolf]

Damn Burgle impossible boss, unable to be kited

That's rough

Just alt f4 if you see one

[granite mauve]

yeah kiting it in the corridor

[lone ravine]

just instant kill it dealing 100million damage a hit??? Seems like a build issue

[granite mauve]

that it's as big as

[summer prairie]

seems like mistakes were made before that

[granite mauve]

no

[marble crater]

FGS is an allrounder weapons, can work with almost anything if you don't mind the bad mobility. Inferno is not very mobile so personally I like to use something more mobile for melee, Deimos or Dueling Sword.

[ripe obsidian]

Beast of Nurgle with bubble shield feels like bullying

[sturdy reef]

Twins ca shove you bacj

[hearty wolf]

Why are you self-reporting is what I don't get

[granite mauve]

you're deluded

[ripe obsidian]

If you position well, you should always have somewhere to move to. There are very few places in the game where you're forced to stand still and suffer

[granite mauve]

yet they exist

sure they aren't everywhere

[fathom adder]

It's okay, but not the best complement. FGS sacrifices some mobility for horde clear, which your staff already does. You could take a weapon with better mobility and equivalent or better single-target and the inferno staff still has horde/CC covered

[shrewd comet]

so basically duelist sword

[fathom adder]

If you like. Or knife, or Deimos/Obscurus 1H force sword

[upbeat kestrel]

obscurus force sword

[shrewd comet]

is this pretty okay regarding blessings?

https://i.imgur.com/HQax1I7.png

[long wharf]

if FGS has mobility like the ds or knife, I'd literally never use another melee weapon on psyker

I love the FGS

[long wharf]

some people like having crit chance for a perk

[shrewd comet]

im not even sure i like using uncanny

[ripe obsidian]

I like Agile. I rarely get my sword out for damage, mostly for mobility

[shrewd comet]

i tend to not light attack armored noggins

[fathom adder]

If FGS had good mobility (even like Combat Axe tier, never mind DS/knife) it would literally have no drawback

[long wharf]

that's basically true

[granite mauve]

i am absolutely for the anti-backtrack tech btw, it's just very poorly implemented rn

[patent mango]

the derank change really be getting me to play a lotta of the new havoc (i havent touched it yet lmao)

[long wharf]

moving back a room should always be an option

[granite mauve]

yes, a room

[shrewd comet]

reposte or precog if im pairing with Agile?

[granite mauve]

rn in some areas, it'll trigger if you do

[long wharf]

in fact, I've got an immediate, simple fix

[fathom adder]

Literally just retvrn to time-based wave spawns and you have your incentive to not abuse backtracking. Also we have the DH rituals now, which could be generalized into some kind of reinforcement call mechanic

[long wharf]

if the game ever reaches maximum enemy count, immediately down the player that's furthest from the rest

[granite mauve]

dh ritual is a great modifier

[ripe obsidian]

Agile works on heavy attacks, no?

[granite mauve]

an actual good incentive to push forward

[patent mango]

what it do

[granite mauve]

you have to stop a ritual or it'll spawn a dh

[lone ravine]

10 million bulwarks apparently

[granite mauve]

oh that

nvm

[summer prairie]

it's a mix of time based on and progression based waves now

[granite mauve]

it spawns a wave + ten billion bulwarks yes

[long wharf]

the way things are now in havoc, it almost forces you to bring a smite+bubble psyker

[summer prairie]

no one runs smite

[shrewd comet]

it does, but not sure if precog would be better if i want to try agile

xD

[summer prairie]

and way less bubble than before

[ripe obsidian]

Gotta go room by room or else a billion bosses spawn. Even room by room you can get 2-3

[shrewd comet]

or just stick with riposte

[granite mauve]

don't run smite in havoc please

[shrewd comet]

use smite smartly instead

[granite mauve]

it's even worse with the berserk modifier now

[ripe obsidian]

Depends on your goals. I like agile for survivability at the expense of damage. Push-attack heads for unlimited dodges. Has saved my life before

[lone ravine]

oh boy dealing just enough dmg to get them below 50% and nothing else

[granite mauve]

you get immuned to CC enemies below 50% hp

[summer prairie]

I mean some horde waves are on a timer but you can only get x waves until you progress some more

before it was only progression based

[granite mauve]

all value of smite is lost

better to have surge

as always

[long wharf]

if you have surge, you can't have trauma or purge

I wouldn't even bother bringing surge into high havoc

[ripe obsidian]

Surge was good in pre-patch Havoc. No idea about now

[long wharf]

it was good? how were you dealing with the crowd density?

[summer prairie]

no pus so better in that regard but way more hordes also

[granite mauve]

without pus i like it a lot

[sturdy reef]

Pus was fine

[granite mauve]

it made killing shooter chaff a slog

good riddance

[ripe obsidian]

Shriek, usually

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrpl8sNwtG4

Here's @plucky flax doing it, and looks like ending up with highest damage by a lot

Oh, Syllogism is in that game, too

[long wharf]

I don't like BB enough to rely on it

[summer prairie]

it's big damage but also shriek is just taking dot ownership

[ripe obsidian]

Fair

[long wharf]

but the idea of using shriek as a primary attack is interesting

[patent mango]

shriek only h40

once they fix rank........

[long wharf]

I'm thinking block focused FGS

[patent mango]

lol

[long wharf]

all stamina curios

[cloud night]

goes down 5 minutes later

[long wharf]

it wouldn't be a meme build any other way

[cloud night]

I just like watching enemies jitter about for the brief second they get fried by lightning before exploding

Ek staff obvi

[long wharf]

the smite upgrade node that makes things take extra damage should apply for a few seconds after smite stops

the shock effect ought to linger

[deft stump]

Stop copying me.

[long wharf]

stop having excellent meme ideas

[upbeat kestrel]

Karien the meme-maker

Your new title

[ionic sorrel]

What kind of build would folks suggest for a devil claw/combat shotgun build?

[deft stump]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e6a6514-0b6a-4de9-bd2b-fb25b5a2fae0/kittehs-dh-tank-build

[upbeat kestrel]

Playing veteran for starters

[deft stump]

Look, it's done already. The only extra memes is +2 stam on the sword.

[marble crater]

I would suggest to play something else, I don't have serious suggestions other than a gunker build I guess

[deft stump]

Which I skipped cos I rather have slightly more usable sword.

[patent mango]

me looking at the vast amount of psyker builds i play (all melee psyker)

[long wharf]

oh yeah, +stamina on the sword

[upper sun]

deimos of defence has a competitor

[long wharf]

perfect

[ionic sorrel]

Beautiful.

[long wharf]

and three of these bad boys

[marble crater]

[shrewd comet]

...they still havent gotten rid of this stupid bug.

https://i.imgur.com/PGnDVug.png

[cloud night]

https://tenor.com/view/willem-dafoe-insane-insanity-crazy-nuts-gif-13969946

[shrewd comet]

there a mod that fixes that?

[long wharf]

in fact, the only thing better than that FGS is one with dumped warp resistance

which I have, but I really don't want to mess with it

I've got 60k Milkies, time to spend them

[hearty wolf]

Just ran Mortis trials

Maybe it's just cos the other 2 was not very good but I thought it was a reasonable challenge

Not like difficult but like I didn't roll over my keyboard like I thought (though I did choose 1 dogshit trait instead of one that would have made it much easier)

Could be cos it's my first game back tho

[glacial vapor]

It gets better later on, first half is just chaff a lot of the time

Not even a lot of chaff

[marble crater]

It very much is more like a power fantasy game mode, get crazy buffs and have fun killing things, but I do think it could be a bit more difficult or have more enemies at least and have less down time between waves

[hearty wolf]

Okay yeah I can agree with that

[hearty wolf]

Yeah that's exactly what it was advertised to be and I think it does a good job of that

The beginning was really slow but the elite waves were funny

10 trappers coming out of nowhere

sniper alley etxc

[marble crater]

4 bosses at the same time

[hearty wolf]

Yeah I thought it was only 2 at the end

so was chilling

then I was like

wait what?

They all targetted me

But I had hammer

I was the one targetting them

[marble crater]

[long wharf]

well, that was quick

having so much stamina is really stupid

and blocking multiple shotgunners on damnation so easily is also stupid

[sturdy reef]

need havok mortis

[cloud night]

Bro really said

https://tenor.com/view/keanu-reeves-matrix-powers-gif-9315457

[ripe obsidian]

oh no

[jovial juniper]

[summer prairie]

Is this stagger caused by the brain burst spreading fire buff or something else https://streamable.com/u2b3bq

pretty fun

[long wharf]

having so little stamina is really dangerous

[summer prairie]

It wasn't that buff, no idea what was causing it

oh it's Each shot applies "minor stagger"

[nocturne dust]

Fatshark keeping their word, I see

[summer prairie]

any headshot staggers bosses

including fs push attack

[plucky flax]

Beautiful teeth

I think surge is better in this new havoc no more pus.

But worse monster damage than burga

[summer prairie]

better but not in comparison to purg, probably

[plucky flax]

And there are a lot of monsters

[long wharf]

this is definitely a different way of playing

focusing on just blocking and pushing things

[patent steeple]

with which one, ES or 6 stack WS?

[plucky flax]

Always play warp charges

For ult span

[patent steeple]

dome or shriek?

[long wharf]

shriek

[plucky flax]

Bubble surge doesn't feel good at all

[patent steeple]

I was talking about burga...

[plucky flax]

Okay warp charges for both ability

[patent steeple]

looks like havoc is locked on my psyker, even though I do remember completing a mael before this current patch...

[summer prairie]

it doesn't count unless you talk to dukane once first, I think

[patent steeple]

I did do so as well a long time ago iirc...

hmmm... maybe I remember incorrectly, and didn't talk to dukane before trying to unlock havoc on psyker (or maybe it got locked again somehow)...

[ripe obsidian]

This is what I use for Havoc purg. I think.

[analog agate]

Unless you really need ER i think pots is probably better for inferno now?

[nocturne dust]

Mmmmmm probably not, honestly

ER just gives you so much more time to do damage

[marble crater]

We need to find someone willing to test it in a game

[hearty wolf]

Oh second one was super smooth

Not me damage padding the bosses again

We done 2 runs so guess it's okay to jump into havoc. Anyone down?

[oak plover]

What's the consensus build wise for new havoc? I've been running the standard bubble meta with trauma over purg lately just to make the waves of bulwarks more manageable

[verbal thistle]

depends on mods I'd think

bubble isnt really needed anymore

if red and orange you want single target

[upper galleon]

walls are better anyways

[oak plover]

That's true actually since the gunners aren't extreme bullshit anymore

Shriek does help with CC as well which is a nice bonus and you get the BB buffs

[nocturne dust]

Ngl, they still feel like bull

[hearty wolf]

havok?

[nocturne dust]

Yeh

[oak plover]

They don't instantly kill you once you turn a corner though

[nocturne dust]

They just do it in 0.5 seconds

[oak plover]

Lol I mean yeah choke points are still ideal

[long wharf]

just gotta block

ezpz

[nocturne dust]

Imagine running deflector

[nocturne dust]

o, u mean like now? I need like 10 mins

[oak plover]

I want more variety with the havok psyker meta. Scryers and las gun is crazy damage, but I'm probably not gonna run that. Staffs? I only use purg or trauma. Melee? Dueling sword or knife.

[hearty wolf]

kk

@strong gulch helloes?

[oak plover]

The force swords really aren't bad, but for havoc? They do stink including the Deimos which is my overall favorite with the light head stabs and heavy 2 huge head staggers that'll knock over a crusher

[long wharf]

just block the crushers

[hearty wolf]

I don't think it's that big of a deal

They're still functional

[long wharf]

honestly, the ds heavy attack damage should be lowered

[sturdy reef]

Shield is still good for stalling specialists

[long wharf]

it has little wind up, fast heavy attacks that are pinpoint stabs

[oak plover]

They're functional yeah, but just knife with bleed and uncanny or the dueling sword is just too good especially when you're that squishy and need that added mobility

[sturdy reef]

Any more than 1 bubble is kinda troll though

[long wharf]

FartShack should give FGS a blessing that increases mobility and dodging

[oak plover]

The knife with bleed and uncanny is usually what I run with trauma and shriek. Really helps with the bosses.

[summer prairie]

some zealot or ogryn is already capping bleed stacks on bosses

usually

[sturdy reef]

Just focus on horde

[oak plover]

I really like the sword, but yeah. Feels like shit with Psyker who HAS to be crazy mobile in havoc.

[sturdy reef]

Psyker doesnt have good boss damage

[hearty wolf]

I think this is an issue with playing with random tbh

[oak plover]

Havoc isn't necessarily about good damage and more with just consistently chipping away.

[sturdy reef]

Uhhh

Healing mod says hi

[hearty wolf]

When Void and I play, I can make it so he never needs to move unless it's smelter complex finale

[oak plover]

I should rephrase that as it just doesn't seem to be a havoc 40 viable weapon, but otherwise I really enjoy it

[sturdy reef]

Im not sayin damage at the expense of everything else

[long wharf]

relying on low but consistent damage isn't going to work on the new havoc modifiers

[summer prairie]

I've only used deimos in the new havoc

[sturdy reef]

Let the other classes deal with bosses

[long wharf]

healers and enemies that rage at 50% health will negate low-but-consistent-damage approaches

[sturdy reef]

Stick to what psyker is strong at

[long wharf]

you have to have burst damage

[hearty wolf]

I also think modifiers like this are kind of placebo.

Like yes they exist but do they really?

[oak plover]

Oh no of course not. But it helps to have the dueling sword or bleed stacks and pop a few brain burts. You only get good boss damage with scrier's

[hearty wolf]

You're gonna murder everything so fast, who cares

Unless you actively begin creating a problem then decide to deal no damage for some reason

[summer prairie]

have you actually played high havocs yet

[hearty wolf]

is that directed to me syllo

[summer prairie]

yes

[empty pivot]

Make ds take one more hit to kill crushers/bulwark. That should make it closer to the competition

[hearty wolf]

not new one no

am i wrong

[summer prairie]

I mean the modifiers aren't a constant problem but they certainly matter

[hearty wolf]

I see

[oak plover]

Why nerf DS for Psyker? DS was originally a Psyker weapon lol

[hearty wolf]

Well, I'll find out quite soon

[summer prairie]

enraged enemies also move 25% faster

[sturdy reef]

The new mods def exist

When you see bosses getting healed

[oak plover]

If you wanna tone down DS for Vet and Zealot? Okay, but yeah I used DS on my Psyker forever prior to them getting it

[hearty wolf]

We will see how they fare against the almighty bonk

[long wharf]

FartShack should never have given the other classes the ds

[sturdy reef]

Jist use obscurus

Nerf DS

[oak plover]

I agree with that. I love the chainaxe and I wish I could use it more regularly with vet and zealot.

[empty pivot]

It could be a all round weapon nerf. But the way things are, zealot and vet have the nodes to turn ds into the best melee for every situation

[faint citrus]

I’m using flame staff is there something that makes my charge longer for secondary? So I can keep my flame blasting longer

[hearty wolf]

@nocturne dust i summon

[nocturne dust]

meep meep

[oak plover]

I mean scrier's also makes the DS insane

[marble crater]

Charge it up for longer before using it

[hearty wolf]

@summer prairie @marble crater I can take one of you

or anyone else who is free

@upper sun ?

[summer prairie]

too late for me

[long wharf]

are we still doing phrasing?

[hearty wolf]

f

[faint citrus]

How about to get that charging time faster?

[marble crater]

I don't have time yet, still need to do things

[hearty wolf]

rip

anyone else or we will grab a random

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1045849699728502784

[oak plover]

I think a lot of my confusion with the weapon design is why dueling sword is so nutty with virtually zero recovery frames and general questions as to why say the iconic chain sword is basically ass

[marble crater]

You could use Flurry blessing, but the other blessings are a lot better, so you really shouldn't

[upper sun]

you guys ahve room still?

[hearty wolf]

ye

[summer prairie]

how long you charge barely matters, you could just do min charges. Maybe a bit less damage but more constant suppression and talent procs

[upper sun]

i need a bit like 5-10 minutes

[hearty wolf]

As long as it's 5-10 since friend only has about 45m~

[upper sun]

what is it havoc?

[hearty wolf]

ye 30

[upper sun]

nope

take them

[hearty wolf]

oki

@nocturne dust r?

[nocturne dust]

r

[mossy canopy]

Just coming back after a year break, was there any big changes I should watch out for?

[oak plover]

Yeah pretty much. I try to just go for the long charge with a huge horde, but obviously sometimes you need to quickly alt attack a crusher in the head with the dueling sword anyway

[mossy canopy]

I noticed they patched quell cancels for example

[nocturne dust]

I forgot that disconnects me

@hearty wolf I hear nothing 😭

[marble crater]

There are two new game modes and a few new maps and weapons, ogryn talent tree got a complete rework, psyker has a few more talents

[patent steeple]

did you mean, "psyker got a few talent buffs"?

EDIT: did not fully read the message you replied to.

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

anyone up for chill aurics?

[faint citrus]

The game died, servers have been shutdown

[plucky flax]

Big man is a constant in havoc now

[rich spindle]

ds could use some recovery frames where it recoils off carapace

[upper sun]

shit i forgot to test shrapnel on ogryn now

[plucky flax]

Dog ignore push just becuase

This is why I don't even feel bad for using spider sense.

Specials are bs

[upper sun]

nope shrapnel is still bullshit

[orchid shadow]

Did the game just lag when you pushed? Or was that because you were recording?

[marble crater]

Cheater

[plucky flax]

Nah it's just the game being funny.

Like here when I get instant down from captain's explosion thingy
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1355922551301345330/Desktop_2025.03.30_-_16.11.23.04.mp4?ex=67eab0c8&is=67e95f48&hm=9f2a1ac4a64a72c598d1121b0bbe8a1ccfda3dc2d4475b5dd878da33cc083c53&

[upper sun]

prolly lag

eu has been shitting itself for like 2 days now

fatshark needs to buy back the servers they sold to arrow heaad

[plucky flax]

A lot of error code xxxx on eu atm

[orchid shadow]

Holy, are the Mortis Trials always like this? This is like, page 1 of mauler, rager and gunner kills.. it just keeps scrolling.

[loud girder]

nope

some waves have infintie carpace and bosses

and then another wave is nothing but trash

then another wave is 10000 snipers

its all over the place really

[cinder moon]

sniper and trapper waves are the worst

[long wharf]

especially on the carnival map

I really dislike that map

[cinder moon]

carnival map sucks

[long wharf]

far too many places for enemies to just sit and hide

[cinder moon]

every time I get it, I give up on hoping to get the 25 minute penance

especially when there’s a purgatus psyker on the team

[long wharf]

my group got that penance on the other map

we were trying to be fast, but I didn't think we were going to get it

[cinder moon]

my best random run was 26 minutes on carnival

somehow I keep getting slowpokes when it’s the small map

[hearty wolf]

@upper sun we recruit you now?

[long wharf]

your best bet is going to be finding a group here specifically for that penance

[cinder moon]

I got ASS doing randoms, I’m not going to get a premade together for that timed trial penance

[long wharf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ripe obsidian]

I like sub-50% charge once I have stacks out. It keeps Blaze Away stacked, which leads to more stagger and more damage

[long wharf]

blaze away should never have been added to the purge staff

[nocturne dust]

Yes it should've.

[long wharf]

and in typical FartShack style, they didn't even bother to change the description of the blessing

since purge doesn't even use ammo

[hearty wolf]

@nocturne dust btw are these modifiers just aids with this map or what xd

[nocturne dust]

Havoc is harder now

[long wharf]

nah, we already have Warp Rider, there's no need for a staff-specific damage boost of the level that blaze away does

[nocturne dust]

but yes, pox gas is always aids

[hearty wolf]

I sweat there's literally ZERO downtime on this map

[zinc phoenix]

For me it’s carapace, I run a lot of anti gunner and sniper and can melee out everything else but if enough armor blobs up it’s all ogre

[hearty wolf]

and the first half is literally just a tunnel

[nocturne dust]

That's the new Havoc

No downtime

[lone ravine]

oh yea does havoc still have the stat modifiers

[nocturne dust]

Ever

[lone ravine]

like the -max hp

[hearty wolf]

ye

[hearty wolf]

Oh I forgot about that

okay

we become tight knit team

[long wharf]

I hate that approach to difficulty

[hearty wolf]

we will defeat this one

[cinder moon]

love when nobody is dealing with snipers and I have to do it as cqc zealot or psyker (veteran is locked into melee with 5 pox walkers)

[long wharf]

reducing ammo and health is a no bueno for me

[zinc phoenix]

And the mk8 can down a couple isolated carapace but it can’t chew through infinity of them with my imperfect overhead dodging skills 😂

[cinder moon]

was having fun with blazing trauma in trials

everything ablaze, everything prostrate

[ripe obsidian]

All havoc, all the time

[hearty wolf]

xD

Okay

This is fun

[nocturne dust]

@hearty wolf

[hearty wolf]

They did good with Havoc

Yes with you gone the captains pushed us against the wall

Maybe it's just the tox gas on this one

it's SO oppressive xd

[nocturne dust]

I'm having stomach trouble, brb.

[ripe obsidian]

Tox gas is brutal, especially on top of the other modifiers

New havoc is fun, but also quite challenging. If you're coordinated it's generally okay, but sometimes something crazy happens and it goes sideways

Like twins + progression boss + weakened monstrosity random boss + daemonhost ritual

[hearty wolf]

That sounds like what I want

[marble crater]

• DH ritual

[hearty wolf]

The daemonhost ritual seems to be a non factor in the runs I just playeds

[ripe obsidian]

Ehhhhhhh

[hearty wolf]

it charges sooooooo slow

[ripe obsidian]

Not if you get close

[nocturne dust]

It's a non-factor as long as it's the only thing

[ripe obsidian]

And once it speeds up, it stays sped up

[hearty wolf]

Ah I see

[ripe obsidian]

So you have to stay back until it's clear, then rush it

[hearty wolf]

Only approach if you can kill, kind of thing

yea

[ripe obsidian]

And sometimes it spawns in really unfortunate locations

Also, the ritual DH doesn't despawn when it kills someone.

[hearty wolf]

I do think it was just the pox gas on this one. In last havoc it wasn't so bad since you could w through it with chorus since the map was more progression based. But there's too much trash now so you're really forced to sit still for a lil

[hearty wolf]

That's pretty cool

[ripe obsidian]

It is an angery daemon

[upper sun]

for havoc def no

[upper sun]

lmao

[empty pivot]

D III VII IX G missions are peak psyker gameplay

[ripe obsidian]

I do quite like the difficulty changes

[nocturne dust]

The crash log said something about critical strikes before I ran away

Wonder which mod that is

or if it's even a mod

[analog agate]

Difficultly changes completely ruined by deranking

[empty pivot]

Had the same multiplier on gloriana and once you're passed the cliff, you've pretty much won

[ripe obsidian]

I saw a similar crash the other day

[ripe obsidian]

I agree with that. It sucks. Makes me not want to play H40 because I don't wanna lose my rank

[upper sun]

im down for auric/mael tho

[nocturne dust]

Host moment

[summer prairie]

Maintaining rank is easy, only have to win one in six

Climbing can be more annoying

[ripe obsidian]

One in six? I think one in three, no?

[upper sun]

my main issue with havoc is that playing with this much pressure is not enjoyable

[summer prairie]

If you lose 5 and then win one

You'll be back where you started

[ripe obsidian]

ahhhh

[nocturne dust]

same, the constant onslaught is tiring

I dislike the update.

It made the onslaught worse.

[upper sun]

not just the length of the game and the punishing of small mistakes

i dont want to be the guy i dont want to have wasted 45 minutes of 3 peoples time just because i made a mistake

[nocturne dust]

Well, that's just clutching, and it's on the team for putting you in that position in the first place

[upper sun]

if its auric or even maelstrom its their fault because they can easily compensate but havoc? no way someone is dealing with twins a hoard and 2 dhs on their own

[hearty wolf]

I understand that kinda pressure

To me it keeps me engaged because I know I'll die a death of a thousand cuts if I don't play well and I kinda like that

[nocturne dust]

Ew

Doesn't really feel like deserved death tbh

[hearty wolf]

Gas again ex dee

[nocturne dust]

and rage too? Ugh

[ripe obsidian]

It feels more deserved than dying in one volley from a basic shooter

[nocturne dust]

I still die to a single volley

[hearty wolf]

Yeah, I actually agree with this.

Usually a direct mistake should lead to a direct consequence but it's really hard to make the difficulty harder without making it cheap in other ways imo

[rough dew]

i'd be fine with a lot of the Havoc chip damage if corruption resist on relics got buffed, i can avoid a lot of regular damage but most corruption is just inevitable at the higher difficulties

[analog agate]

Apparently power matrix has a glitch spot or two where a second ritual further ahead will start and you get screwed with a DH coming at you

[zinc phoenix]

What is the hexsomething daemon host?

My team of mooks got clapped by it while I was murdering specials 😂

[ripe obsidian]

Hexbound Daemonhost is the havoc heinous ritual modifier

[nocturne dust]

summoned host

part of modifier

Will kill everyone

[marble crater]

Doesn't despawn

[nocturne dust]

[marble crater]

Have fun

[hearty wolf]

I want to kill it

I like bink

[nocturne dust]

I mean if you have Dclaw you will win

eventually

[summer prairie]

Hab dreyko first event has a DH spawn you can't reach

Usually not a problem though, just corruption tax

[marble crater]

Why can't you reach it?

[hearty wolf]

@nocturne dust let know when back, we full and just waiting for you

[nocturne dust]

coming rn

[stark crown]

Least you’re wasn’t Pox Gas + Increased Tox Bomber spawns

Carnival as well

Hell on earth

[zinc phoenix]

Extremely heinous

[hearty wolf]

It was Enclavum Baross for the one we got wiped out on

[zinc phoenix]

I mostly shot it to death but was too busy getting Eiffel towered by a crusher pack to finish the job

I’ve decided I don’t give a f about havoc rank anymore so will group with whatever randos

[ripe obsidian]

Other than the Magistrati Oubliette map, I had a pretty solid run from 30 to 40

Lost that map more than any other combined

[upper sun]

oh no

[cinder moon]

pox gas is easily the worst modifier, and tox bomber is the most obnoxious enemy

at least regular bomber is funny to listen to

[lone ravine]

me watching the pox grenade bounce off 8 walls before smacking my face and exploding

[cinder moon]

one time i had a tox bomber sitting in a spot where he could NOT be hit, just spamming grenades

i was so heated

[patent steeple]

can confirm that this is not a joke, I have seen tox bombers do trickshots that the fire bombers could only dream of...

[cinder moon]

OMICRON MORT'IS INTERCEPTSHAAAN

[upper sun]

yay finally got frenzied killer 3

[lone ravine]

nicee

[zinc phoenix]

I wish they’d lower the duration of the stank cloud or reduce the nade frequency because dear lord he gassin

[cinder moon]

at least he's not as obnoxious as enraged barbed stranglers in sm2

[ripe obsidian]

I finally got 2500 barrel kills, 1m total kills, and 100 havoc missions this week

[cinder moon]

those fraggers will drop a billion barb spores onto the ground in the span of 5 seconds

[hearty wolf]

Oh well will try when not so sleep deprived

The ping feels much worse for some reason

[nocturne dust]

my ping was 200

[hearty wolf]

F

I wish comms would work too

I would have stuck with you if we had them

Instead I was fighting down a staircase with the other guy when they had maulers and crushers

I should have left him but that's mwean :(

[nocturne dust]

I mean I just avoid stairs on Trauma

[hearty wolf]

You should just always avoid stairs, they're cursed as fuck

Fix your audio :(((

[nocturne dust]

Mu audio isn't broken >:(

It's stupid Discord

[mossy canopy]

Does anybody know if the death dealer no ammo on crits indulgence applies to peril generation?

[hearty wolf]

fix discord then

[nocturne dust]

Tell Discord that

[jovial juniper]

From what I've seen, no

Seems like Death Dealer does not work with Staff

That or I didn't test enough

[cinder moon]

it's crazy how many mortis modifiers just don't apply to psyker

grenade? ammo buffs while i have a staff? gee, thanks

[upper sun]

yea

[strong gulch]

@hearty wolf Hi. I live.

[hearty wolf]

Nuuuu I got into bed

I forgot I need a cursed sleep schedule to play Darktide with you

[strong gulch]

feck

[marble crater]

[strong gulch]

Well good night 👋

[marble crater]

All by myself...

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/lonely-so-gif-25731523

[fierce crest]

whats a good build to support a blazing spirit sword

[cinder moon]

blazing trauma ofc

[nocturne dust]

There is none

[fierce crest]

helpful

[nocturne dust]

Blazing Spirit is crap on melee

But if you want to make use of it

dump damage

If you just want it on the sword, then just take meleeker

[cinder moon]

you could probably do something stupid with a blazing spirit + perilous quell sword and scriers

[nocturne dust]

Well, it's bad because melee does enough damage to kill things on a crit so the DoT doesn't help

especially on Psyker who has damage buffs out the wazzoo

so, if you want to actually use it, delete your damage

[cinder moon]

it's more for spreading soulblaze to everything around you

[nocturne dust]

It doesn't work if you kill the target

[midnight cove]

does charged strike do any relevant damage now?

[nocturne dust]

not unless you use Dclaw/Illisi, and even then, questionable

Still extremely off-meta, its main use is buffing bad weapons to not-as-bad

[strong gulch]

Like void said, there is none.

If you want to sword to even function, you want damage and first target as low as possible without sacrificing mobility and smack with sword speed because enemies have to survive a crit.

If you want to fully lean into blazing spirit sword meme, I recommend SG.

If you want a better build that happens to use fire sword, I rec shriek.

[midnight cove]

fair thanks

[strong gulch]

Here is Zazy's fire sword build that is more coherent than mine.
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e101f73-cc37-4866-9f6d-eb8992c8720b/zazys-melee-only-blazing-spirit-greatsword?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

Here is my full on meme fire sword build.
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dba7173-f64c-4b4f-9213-94268e99e856/no-keystone-fire-sword-now-with-crit-chance-its-bad-but-play-it-anyways

Neither were made with the way PC currently behaves.

[nocturne dust]

I sure do love that Fatshark actively prevented Fire Greatsword from being real

[cinder moon]

pc changed?

[nocturne dust]

It used to not proc on Soulblaze kills. It does now. Even more OP.

[strong gulch]

Yup that

[cinder moon]

oh it got buffed, neat

[nocturne dust]

Infinite soulblaze propagation

[cinder moon]

wildfire back on the menu

[nocturne dust]

Well, we don't know if the change is a bug or not

[nocturne dust]

Always was

[cinder moon]

i've always advocated wildfire

free point doing free damage

[strong gulch]

Also KF working with DoTs now (except electrocuted from wall).

[nocturne dust]

I think KF working with DoTs is fair

only way the 10% proc chance becomes sensible-ish

[strong gulch]

hi hi

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/bnk48-ice-cream-brain-freeze-gif-10727549

[fiery stratus]

[cinder moon]

oh i need a build for my laspistol+force sword psyker

for the lex atoma

[strong gulch]

General gunker build

[cedar seal]

What kinda states would suggest for a 500 inferno staff

[nocturne dust]

Dump warp res

That is all

[upper sun]

warp res as low as possible and burn above 76

[cedar seal]

Kk

[nocturne dust]

Right, so warp res should be 60 and everything else 80. One could say, warp res is the dump, even.

[cloud night]

My only beef with FGS is you cant just rev up your peril like you can with the FS

Not as fast anyway

[cinder moon]

quickly petting illisi

[nocturne dust]

Sword strokers, smh my head

[jovial juniper]

[cloud night]

Sadly fatshark cant do what Nero does with his sword at libel of getting hit by a capcom lawsuit so

Sword stroking it is

[strong gulch]

You can't just chain stroke FGS but you can get to high peril fewer specials.

Not sure if FGS is actually faster at building peril, but you can get to +85 in two strokes.

[cloud night]

I believe it does gen more peril at cost of speed, ur right on that

[hushed egret]

is quietude, the toughness on quelling peril, only manual quelling?

[fierce crest]

its any

natural decay, venting shriek, battle meditation

[strong gulch]

Ye. Any quelling.

[nocturne dust]

including going over 100% quelling

[hushed egret]

thank god

[nocturne dust]

unlike warp expenditure

[strong gulch]

Unlike WE (warp expenditure), it is not any peril gen. lmao

[nocturne dust]

WE does not count peril over 100%, Quietude does

....because reasons

[fierce crest]

does that peril count as instantly being cleansed?

[nocturne dust]

For Quietude, yes, I suppose

[strong gulch]

WE doesn't even count SoA

[cinder moon]

for the lex atoma

[nocturne dust]

For the Cicatrix Maledictum, because it is fun to say

[cinder moon]

for the cica--the cikeh..grut it

[fiery stratus]

https://discord.gg/z63TbdEH Anyone wanna do auric?

[marble crater]

I crashed because I looked at stairs

[strong gulch]

we just started a game. if ur free after, join us

[ornate knoll]

Recommended melee for vb that isn’t ds or knife?

[marble crater]

Nah, I was already annoyed because I entered QP with my purge build, this just added

[marble crater]

Deimos

[late yew]

In Mortis trials possible paths depend on your class, or can they vary?

[cinder moon]

possible paths?

[marble crater]

Every class can get every path

[late yew]

So sometimes it is different?

[marble crater]

Then the buffs are random and obviously tailored to the class

[late yew]

Like i did not get Survivability path on psyker and zealot

but got it on vet

[marble crater]

Just unlucky, I had it on psyker

[upper galleon]

you get 3 random choices of the "paths", there are certain majoris indulgences that only show up if you have their respective ability or applicable blitz

[sage forge]

OMG Ogryn's are picking up concentration stims now!!!

[marble crater]

More combat stims for us

[sage forge]

sheez, and they take them tooo!!

freaking space hogs.

Don't feed the Ogryn.

[marble crater]

The ogryn can eat the heretics

[late yew]

Do enemies in Mortis get stronger over time?

[vernal frost]

yes

they get more hp

up to like 2.5x

[cinder moon]

blazing trauma in mortis is funny

[late yew]

That's wqhat i am testing right now

If you join mid match you cannot choose your path?

[cinder moon]

joining late in mortis just sucks period

[zinc phoenix]

> joining late in mortis just sucks period

[late yew]

No u

[vernal frost]

pretty sure you can but it's very weirdly implemented

[late yew]

It has chain BB to kill 10 enemies at once

So it cannot suck

[zinc phoenix]

I mean mortis is fine as a tutorial but I have no interest in doing the tutorial

[vernal frost]

I had instances of indulgences stacking after I latejojned

[late yew]

How?

[late yew]

... what

[vernal frost]

I had the game make me choose them and the perks I missed after late joining

In a row

[glacial vapor]

How else would we keep our pbb active? Now hand over your ammo

[cinder moon]

every time i joined late, i only got to pick like 1 or 2 things

[cloud night]

I gotta try the BB 10 heads

[cinder moon]

the 10bb thing is funny

though i'm not sure if it procs off kinetic flayer/pc/wildfire

[mental grail]

I'm making a new build, which has more aura, agrip revolver or bpistol

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/hunt-showdown-fanning-revolver-gif-22148658

[long wharf]

it's described as training, but it's really not a tutorial for players

almost everything to do with Mortis Trials has no relevance to the rest of the game modes

[wooden sand]

Arthur Morgan gaming

[nocturne dust]

Mortis can be hard if you sit outside the objective and let enemies accumulate

[mental grail]

agrip it is 🤠

[nocturne dust]

Braced Agrippina

[mental grail]

I always liked it

I remember when I first picked it up and had Last Word flashbacks from my Destiny days

I visibly pogged

[late yew]

Wonder how annoying smiker in mortis

[dusky crag]

Not seen one yet lol

[zinc phoenix]

It’s an advanced tutorial focused on areas where players are typically complete failures. Wave 3 is literally “play the objective moron” and you get murdered to death by unending hordes if you don’t do it. There are multiple waves of exactly one specialist type to force players to learn how to spot and deal with it. They have a multi boss wave to force players to learn how to fight bosses. And there are no good cosmetic rewards to keep us sweats out

[late yew]

FFS deathdealer is so trash for psyker

Most abilities don't apply to staves

[mental grail]

I tried it for a day, pretty op bc of the elite/spec waves

wouldn't say annoying exactly

[long wharf]

I disagree - the way to teach someone how to deal with a boss isn't to throw two or three different ones at them

[mental grail]

too busy dying

[zinc phoenix]

It’s to ensure one player can’t just solo the boss. Everyone has to deal with them

[mental grail]

rare sane difficulty take in #psyker-class ???

[zinc phoenix]

Most people who play this game have no idea how it works or how to do anything and rely on one good player rolling into their mission and carrying to win. Mortis is intended to fix that

[upper sun]

basic QoL changes would do more to fix that tbh

like charge counters on ammo crates

[zinc phoenix]

Oh lord I wish that would happen but that’s not what I’m talking about

[upper sun]

i had to tell people in mortis how they worked every other game

[zinc phoenix]

I just play builds that don’t depend on ammo 😂

[upper sun]

i just pick the crit ammo thing so i never need it

(i still rush the drop and only drop the crate when I need it)

[strong gulch]

I rush the drops because I'm a magpie. Gotta get the shiny.

Shiny health

shiny bullets

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t even go to them

[strong gulch]

valid

I just GOTTA

[zinc phoenix]

I did mortis 5 times to get the “tried all the styles” thing and called it good

[late yew]

I don't go to them as psyker

[zinc phoenix]

It’s very easy on meleeker

The main styles don’t matter, you just pick the minors that give you DR on SG, wacky assail replenish and either more charges of SG or more recharge.

[late yew]

10 chain BB so fun to use though

And very first game of Mortis i did with the build that focuses on heavy usage of BB

So it was double the fun

[upper sun]

i did it 20 times so far because i really wanted the title

[strong gulch]

I like the trials. For non-sweats, the pacing seems mostly fine.

But for the sweaty player, especially if you get 4 of em, then there is nothing to do.

[elder glade]

I haven't touched mortis just yet with psyker tbh. I've just been enjoying it on veteran

[strong gulch]

The ramp up is too slow for it to only get spicy at like 9 or 10.

[late yew]

Yeah, difficulty could be a bit higher

[upper sun]

they need an auric version of trials

[elder glade]

They honestly do

[upper sun]

we need a medium between baby mode and sweatlord mode

[late yew]

Although i once got really weak team and then i realised that it is not that easy if you don't have several competent players

[marble crater]

Just play better or worse, smh

[late yew]

That's what we have already

[mossy canopy]

Endless mode for the trials would be pretty lit

[late yew]

i want sweatlord mode

[upper sun]

nah havoc 40 is sweatlord mode

[late yew]

No

[upper sun]

auric is baby mode

i want a middle ground

[late yew]

Bruh

You clearly are sweatlord

May be sweatking

You forgot already how to shower

[upper sun]

heyyyy i showered and shaved today

[late yew]

And consider not showering 1 month a baby mode

[upper sun]

not 4 hours ago

[late yew]

I take last time before that was 6 months ago?

[upper sun]

i kneel 🧎‍♂️

[late yew]

Why

Do you always kneel after shower?

To remember that rare occurance?

[upper sun]

yes

[late yew]

[nocturne dust]

sooooo Havoc

[upper sun]

NO

[nocturne dust]

It's on a sliding scale

Is middle groun

[mental grail]

Not inaccurate

Most people frequenting this channel are sweatlords

[upper sun]

NO

[marble crater]

It's a dodge sliding scale

[lone ravine]

are we talking greatsword dodges or ds/knife dodges

[upper sun]

i hate havoc
i hate fading light
i hate the non existant ammo
i hate demotions and promotions
and most importantly I HATE PARTY FINDER

[upper sun]

how do u not know what that is

[late yew]

middle groin

[patent mango]

i think they should delete havoc

[late yew]

Yes, fuck party finder

why they made it

[nocturne dust]

I still don't have all the armor pieces from it

[mental grail]

real

[late yew]

Party finder what killed Weaves

[upper sun]

same

i gave up

[lone ravine]

they should just add all havoc levels as difficulties in matchamking

[upper sun]

wait

WAIT

[late yew]

AAaaand they did exactly same thing again

[upper sun]

deadvoid

DEADVOID

[mental grail]

the armor is why I played havoc tbh

[upper sun]

wanna speed run havocs?

i can demote myself to zero

[mental grail]

I don't find communal CBT with randoms enjoyable

[nocturne dust]

[upper sun]

we can get so many done

[mental grail]

Unfortunately

[nocturne dust]

I'd be up for that

[lone ravine]

simply do what I did and hope to god someone would accept you into their havoc match simply because you were playing psyker and they would assume you are running bubble when it first came out

[patent mango]

ok

[upper sun]

(not today tho)

[nocturne dust]

I can't derank myself tho, I want to try and get to H40

[upper sun]

you dont have to

[nocturne dust]

with the new difficulty

[patent mango]

i wana get the drip someday

[upper sun]

ill derank myself

[nocturne dust]

Even tho it's suffering

[upper sun]

i mainly want the insignia which is just for completions

[nocturne dust]

Is Havoc 0-40 or 1-40?

[patent mango]

it'll take months for them to fix derank lmao

[upper sun]

1-40

[nocturne dust]

Dang, no 0th millenium

They forgot about Jesus 😔

[late yew]

i don't even know what armor you can unlock with havoc

[upper sun]

host 50
and join 50

[lyric radish]

just ask to be sure, so can safely cast a spell at 99 peril right as long as no casting after peril reach 100, i will be safe

[upper sun]

i think