#psyker-class

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strong gulch
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I should get that mod. I never remeber tho

nocturne dust
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Is why I never combust chadgryn

dull scroll
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best method to prevent going boom boom is vent

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even if you are in the process of blowing up, you vent, you good

nocturne dust
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Shriek will save you from exploding even during the animation

azure parcel
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I keep forgetting that when you let go of the trauma blast, you gain a spike in peril

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when I die, I die to that last spike

nocturne dust
dull scroll
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nah you can't actually die from that small spike, just tested it, scared me there

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been spamming trauma lately, very goated

nocturne dust
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Just get to 100% peril first

dull scroll
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well if you click at 100% you gone no matter what staff

nocturne dust
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yes

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That's how it works for everything

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(except force push)

azure parcel
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so hang on, if I let go of the attack at 99%, I'll survive?

nocturne dust
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Force push is the only thing I know of that will murder you if you aren't at 100% and the peril it generates gets you over 100% (but also it generates very little so that's pretty hard to do)

azure parcel
nocturne dust
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The peril gauge mod can fix that

azure parcel
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that means it WAS my high ping that caused me to die last night

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because I was at 98% or something when I let go of the attack, at least so I thought

nocturne dust
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but without the mod, the number you're actually at is like a bit ahead of what is shown or something iirc

nocturne dust
azure parcel
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hmmm

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well I downloaded the mod

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hopefully that will help me reduce the frequency of self booms

dull scroll
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the greediest thing to do is greeding peril with purge, if you charge it up and hit 99% and release it, you'll still be safe during the flamming phase despite all the perils generated there

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but if you start to flame at 100%, you goofed

azure parcel
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so I was looking at the pins, and one of the builds uses Smite with Warp Charges instead of EP

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in that case, Smite just becomes the occasional button press to control hordes?

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or blow up bursters?

nocturne dust
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The pins are weird

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but yes, smite would be a panic/control tool for big mixed groups. You would pull it out very temporarily just to knock things over

drifting steeple
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am i cooked

nocturne dust
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yes

drifting steeple
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i really like brain burst with ep

strong gulch
dull scroll
drifting steeple
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i know

dull scroll
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if you playing in lower diff it's pretty nice

drifting steeple
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i know....

nocturne dust
azure parcel
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the only time I find use for manual BB is to kill off snipers in extremely shit nooks and crannies where my team is having a hard time aiming

strong gulch
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IDK why that post was pinned tho? Like, there's no infero there.

azure parcel
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or if we're running between packs

nocturne dust
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BB is like Devil's Claw to me. Really really neat, and makes my brain go pogryn but really really not worth running if you want to be as effective as you can

dull scroll
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naked BB's charge time is horrible, but if it's buffed, especially by its upper upgrade, it's very good

nocturne dust
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For the level of investment required, it's not good

drifting steeple
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bb buff when

nocturne dust
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never ๐Ÿ˜”

summer prairie
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BB critical peril threshold 97% is bizarrely modified by your peril resistance

strong gulch
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Blazeaway on inferno carrying EP BB hard. lmao

A decent team leaves little room for BB, so just spray fire

nocturne dust
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A revolver leaves little room for BB KEKW_ogryn

dull scroll
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even at 40, BB remains psyker's best long range option, especially when it's buffed up

summer prairie
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with ER it's 98.2% or something

nocturne dust
dull scroll
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consider the meta is trauma and purge, that's pretty much what people almost always runs

nocturne dust
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I literally prefer any other tool for all but the most extreme of long range engagements

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I will lmb with trauma over using BB

dull scroll
nocturne dust
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lmb trauma is faster than BB even if you miss half your shots KEKW_ogryn

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I would know since I miss half my shots

dull scroll
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that is absolutely not true lol

nocturne dust
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Absolutely is

dull scroll
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nuh uh

nocturne dust
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Your only threat at long range is like a sniper

azure parcel
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lmb trauma can 1-shot sniper on crit weakspot

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afaik

dull scroll
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exactly, you peak a sniper, lock on bb, and run back to cover, it's already dead

nocturne dust
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It's not like you're trying to murder a crusher with lmb spam, lol

dull scroll
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you try to lmb you gotta stand there in the open taking sniper shots

nocturne dust
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but also

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that's a waste of points

dull scroll
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the only waste of points is if you route through smite ๐Ÿคฎ

nocturne dust
dull scroll
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and you miss even more shots when you dodge ๐Ÿ˜‚

nocturne dust
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Again, miss 50% and still kill quicker than BB

dull scroll
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bb is life, embrace it ๐Ÿ‘

nocturne dust
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I would if it was remotely good

dull scroll
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it is, SUUUPER good

nocturne dust
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k, I expect to see your BB-only 4-psyker run of H40 tomorrow

deft stump
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Oh fer the... I came here to avoid the nightmare in general and gets dropped into WW something.

dull scroll
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I'll run 40 with you right now let's go

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the amount of 40s I've cleared with bb, pretty much every single one

nocturne dust
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Same

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And you know what? Just because it's in the kit doesn't mean it's good KEKW_ogryn

dull scroll
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except it is

nocturne dust
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It's there because something has to cover long range in the kit and it happens to be above psykinetics, not because it's good at it

dull scroll
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LOL, that's like saying it's good just because it is good

nocturne dust
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Again, I literally never pull BB out if I'm not messing around or using Inferno

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I would rather staff lmb, I would rather assail, I would rather revolver, I would rather so many other things

dull scroll
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I've spammed lmb, WITH QUELLING CANCELLING MACRO, and I've used bb, and I'm telling you, bb is still better

nocturne dust
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bolt pistol, recon, laspistol

dull scroll
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in 40

nocturne dust
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You're telling me BB needing to trigger a couple times on a single sniper is somehow better than lmb spam? Cuz that's a joke of a statement

dull scroll
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first of all, sniper is still 1 hit kill in 40, I'm pretty sure

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second, yes

nocturne dust
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It's not

dull scroll
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it's not for the green ones

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naked sniper I'm almost sure it's 1 bb

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the biggest down side of lmb is the travel time, if shit are moving, even in slow strife, which a lot of times they are, you miss like crazy

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and of course you gotta stand in the open to spam, which is just suicidal in 40

drifting steeple
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what difficulty is when the weaker stuff starts lagging behind?

nocturne dust
nocturne dust
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You can use the weakest stuff at the highest difficulties.

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For most of us mortals tho, I would say auric/havoc 30 is where you really start to feel the differences

drifting steeple
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auric damnation or auric heresy?

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or auric maelstrom

nocturne dust
nocturne dust
deft stump
nocturne dust
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Auric heresy is about normal dam difficulty, I would say

dull scroll
nocturne dust
drifting steeple
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ig i have to aim to graduate to dueling sword

nocturne dust
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Like, I have given it a try, I think it's incredibly foolish to think I haven't

dull scroll
nocturne dust
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Ah. Done that too.

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There's a reason I don't use it. KEKW_ogryn

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I think the only node I literally have never tried is Unlucky for Some because... c'mon, it's Unlucky for Some.

drifting steeple
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would the psyker tanner lindberg video be a good idea for me to learn whats meta?

nocturne dust
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not a chance

drifting steeple
deft stump
nocturne dust
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As far as Darktide youtubers go, I don't really know them so I can't say much. I do know Tanner is a bad source tho KEKW_ogryn

drifting steeple
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its more me just curious, ill probably never get to havoc 40 but i dont really know whats meta and whats not

nocturne dust
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Fair

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Havoc meta is different tho

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to Auric/lower meta

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because Havoc has special modifiers that really devastate the balance of the game

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I mean, the meta Havoc builds aren't bad in Auric, certainly, but they're not as ridiculously OP as they are in Havoc.

drifting steeple
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yeah i know, im just using havoc as a stand in for the tippy top meta

deft stump
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Eh, can be overkill for aurics though.

drifting steeple
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its basically me curious to know what people bring into these high level missions

nocturne dust
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For Psyker, the meta for auric is a soulblaze EK build and the meta for havoc is Blast staff/Inferno

drifting steeple
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with dueling sword for both>

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?

nocturne dust
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yes

deft stump
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Naw, force sword in Havoc.

nocturne dust
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Well, for blast/inferno

drifting steeple
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do you think they should nerf dueling sword or buff everything else

nocturne dust
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EK wants a horde clearer, so FGS/Illisi force sword is the normal pick

modest perch
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best psyker i know runs gs/recon

nocturne dust
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That's a typical gunker build

modest perch
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buff everything else obvi

nocturne dust
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It sucks in Havoc tho

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well 'sucks'

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It is 3rd best

modest perch
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it require a certain person to use

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and a certain team willing to roll with it

nocturne dust
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mostly for FGS tho, recon is whatever and I would actually recommend switching it out for EK since ammo

modest perch
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i hope they buff it

nocturne dust
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The problem with buffing everything else is then you have to buff everything else

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which is a ton of work that Fatshark is clearly not capable of given their update release schedule KEKW_ogryn

modest perch
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nerfing it doesnt solve the problem that some weapons are just straight up unusable

drifting steeple
nocturne dust
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You bring the outliers towards the center

drifting steeple
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hey deadvoid

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thoughts on taxe?

modest perch
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well can we start with the buffs then ?

nocturne dust
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๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

modest perch
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some ppl like jt

nocturne dust
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Some people really like it

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I forget who it was here that loves it on psyker

clear heath
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I did a couple taxe psyker runs today actually

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felt harder than my usual illisi gunker runs

modest perch
nocturne dust
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yeh, epic cole

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@autumn smelt

deft stump
modest perch
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there ls a couple zealot chat regulars pimpin the thing

deft stump
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Like what happened with Agile DS4, but then that became somewhat meta for havoc.

nocturne dust
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I'm not super well-versed in anything but Psyker staves, lol

modest perch
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agile somehow both the worst and most broken blessing

modest perch
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wonder if theyll ever give you sparkies a new staff

nocturne dust
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I hope so

drifting steeple
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are the taxe fans bringing it into auric mael or havoc 40?

drifting steeple
modest perch
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what staff would you want ?

drifting steeple
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GIVE ME BEAM STAFF NOW!

modest perch
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i mean we have that

nocturne dust
deft stump
modest perch
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surge macro lol but theyre nuking it

drifting steeple
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and is that a bad thing?

modest perch
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yea

drifting steeple
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the

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not the macro

nocturne dust
drifting steeple
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hm

modest perch
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ppl seethed about it so hard theyre adding some lame internal cd

nocturne dust
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LMB spam is decent without the macro anyway

deft stump
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It gets rid of an unfun annoyance, but we hate the nerf to quel cancel to more fair uses.

modest perch
nocturne dust
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๐Ÿ˜ฐ They have been summoned

nocturne dust
drifting steeple
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i basically love all the weapons in this game

clear heath
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all it took to quell cancel lmb is binding lmb to both quell and shoot and spam clicking

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you literally just click

deft stump
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And it ruins the game for 3 others.

nocturne dust
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Not really 'ruins'

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other than the brightness and loudness

deft stump
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Well, I guess you don't mind AFKing in aurics or normal damns.

drifting steeple
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how does the macro work anyway

nocturne dust
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lmb -> R -> lmb -> R

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repeat ad infinitum

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it has a timing thing to it, which is why the macro, but it really is just 2 button spam

fallow token
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i see someone shooting balls

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goes brrr

azure parcel
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the new patch is gonna break the macro isn't it

nocturne dust
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They're not even balls

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They're bolts

fallow token
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admit that the shape looks like a ball

nocturne dust
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balls are not little elongated lines

dull scroll
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I was rather fond of the purge primary spam

nocturne dust
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What part of the shape is a ball ๐Ÿ˜ญ

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ew

dull scroll
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don't ew me, WOOOSHWOOSHWOOH

fallow token
nocturne dust
dull scroll
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you can walk through horde like you had a can of bug spray

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and they part their way like magic

fallow token
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haha rager staggered haha

deft stump
nocturne dust
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Inferno RMB does that

fallow token
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woshwoshwosh

dull scroll
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devs obviously didn't account for this atrocity

deft stump
drifting steeple
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better yet, unlock their latent epilepsy

dull scroll
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but it'll be gone, like tears in the rain, in 2 days ๐Ÿ˜ญ

deft stump
dull scroll
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^man of taste right there

plucky flax
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2049 whatever

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I'm saying it as a massive fan of Denis vileneurve

nocturne dust
plucky flax
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The original also looks superior

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Bro definitely cooked in the 80s

nocturne dust
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I have no idea what you're talking about

ivory monolith
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hello guys. i wanna ask how u feel about psyker. i think its weak in general. only 2 good things is Telekine Shield bubble and Smite. if im making build outside of this 2 things it sucks. i feel like compared to zealot psyker is outclassed in every aspect

nocturne dust
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Psyker outclasses everyone in damage

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but if you're levelling, psyker sucks (aside from assail)

plucky flax
nocturne dust
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Psyker scales pretty hard with levels, their build comes together only once you're high up if not maxed out

dull scroll
plucky flax
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Bladerunner by ridley scott

ivory monolith
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What is dmg build for psyker

nocturne dust
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Any of the typical ones. Gunker, Fire Trauma, Inferno, Soulblaze EK, Scrier's Voidstrike, etc. etc.

ivory monolith
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What talants for dmg psyker

nocturne dust
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Psyker only has dmg builds, really

plucky flax
dull scroll
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if you are playing on malice, just get assail,fgs,and vrak, you can solo the map

nocturne dust
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shriek at... 85%? peril, apply soulblaze to everything in front of you, watch it all burn

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typical psyker stuff

ivory monolith
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Hm i can share my build for hybrid psyker

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For critics

ivory monolith
dull scroll
ivory monolith
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Missions with modifiers

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Im in 20 lvl of whose missions

nocturne dust
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Havoc?

ivory monolith
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Yes

dull scroll
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oh havoc, 20

nocturne dust
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Typical Psyker Havoc is bubble with Inferno/Voidblast staff

deft stump
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In order of diff, Sedition, Uprising, Malice, Heresy or Damnation.

nocturne dust
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Psyker does damage in Havoc

deft stump
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Oh, havoc. Diff builds and playstyle mostly.

ivory monolith
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I will share my build in moment

dull scroll
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at 20 mob density is should already such that purge/VB comes into play

nocturne dust
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isn't 20 still heresy?

dull scroll
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you will have to use those 2, things like EK is not going to cut it anymore

nocturne dust
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uh, no

dull scroll
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can't remember

nocturne dust
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at 20 you definitely can still use EK

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I'd say 30 is where you start to feel the real difference

deft stump
dull scroll
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is 20 above or below mael

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if it's still below, then EK is prob fine

nocturne dust
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Pus Hardened isn't that bad at lower levels

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also has a lower chance of spawning too

dull scroll
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but honestly just start using those 2 meta weapons for practice

deft stump
nocturne dust
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Random chance is random pogryn

deft stump
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Was doing penances so stare.

nocturne dust
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You are grey name

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Keep talking, become orange name, post picture

ivory monolith
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Hmm its long time

nocturne dust
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Becoming orange is actually fairly quick

ivory monolith
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Can i share link to picture

nocturne dust
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I believe so

ivory monolith
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I will be banned for link?

nocturne dust
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no

raven mountain
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Yeah, I kinda feel the need to bring the fgs with EK because if I don't, I have no way to solve being stuck in a horde myself.

nocturne dust
dull scroll
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link him a meta, fix it quickly, I feel sick

ivory monolith
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So my idea was to use Smite till full overload, and when use sworg till passive for +20%dmg is active while peril overload

raven mountain
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Holy wow. That's. Such a mix of things I always do, things I see randoms do, and things you probably shouldn't do.

ivory monolith
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Idn i make it miself but im stuck in havoc 20

nocturne dust
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This is much more typical

ivory monolith
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I feel like i need better build

raven mountain
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So if you're doing bubble, you really want warp charges for faster cooldowns. It feels terrible without (or completely reliant on psykinetic aura)

nocturne dust
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Combine it with Voidblast (dump warp res)

raven mountain
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I've seen a few people recently go that center cluster at the top, and I just don't get it.

nocturne dust
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except Voidstrike

raven mountain
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Missing out on speed and toughness on crit and warp damage on crit. And that's just the right side.

ivory monolith
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Why +10% ult cd insted of +7.5% dmg for elites?

nocturne dust
marble crater
nocturne dust
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I mean it helps technically, but rarely does it do anything for your breakpoints

raven mountain
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If you have scoreboard, you'll see that you already dumpster elites.

ivory monolith
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True

nocturne dust
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and if you have to use the same number of attacks to kill a thing, nothing has changed

raven mountain
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Like, often double the amount of anyone else, unless there's a plasma vet.

marble crater
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The name is red now pogryn

nocturne dust
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it would be cooler if it also affected specials and monsters, but even then it's still not that good

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of the 3 auras, +elite is the worst by quite a bit

raven mountain
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10% cd is a couple seconds off everyone's ability. More bubble, more chorus, more voc, moreโ€ฆ whatever Ogryn does.

ivory monolith
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So why u have brain rupture insted og Smite. Smite is so good for team imho

raven mountain
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Not to mention any time you shave off with psykinetic.

marble crater
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Smite bad angymorrow

dull scroll
nocturne dust
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Trauma staff/Voidblast staff can stagger everything

marble crater
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If you smite, you aren't killing. And you really need to be killing

nocturne dust
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and Voidblast also kills

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so BB for KF

dull scroll
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buffed up smite actually does do quite a bit dmg

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but still fall short of VB

ivory monolith
nocturne dust
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You never pull out your blitz anyway

nocturne dust
dull scroll
nocturne dust
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AKA trauma

raven mountain
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Kinetic flayer is free damage. And if you kill an elite, you set enemies on more fire.

And like they're saying vb is better than smite. But even inferno staff does alright cc to enemies that aren't ogryn.

nocturne dust
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Yeah, smite's issue is it stops you from doing literally anything else

dull scroll
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don't use the flayer thing on purge though, you gonna troll yourself on burster one of those days

nocturne dust
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Smite isn't bad, but it's not meta (and is boring)

dull scroll
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a lot of adrenline addicts in chat smh

nocturne dust
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LMBing bursters away is dumb anyway, spam push like the rest of rejects

raven mountain
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Just try not to puff at busters and push them instead.

nocturne dust
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yeah

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Push is more reliable for me anyway

raven mountain
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(I also have the cooldown next to my cursor, so I know when it's up.)

deft stump
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Unless you get a gunlugger in H40, then uhhh... GL.

raven mountain
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I do love how fast a gunlugger messes up monsters though.

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Had a ton of fun in that one, oops all monsters, event

dull scroll
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I use to laugh at gunluggers too but that boss dmg does clutch a lot

deft stump
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Yes, but in H40, ammo is scarce.

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1 crate fills like 1 person, I think.

raven mountain
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It's like a stealth THammer build that can actual deal with horde sometimes.

dull scroll
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in 40 you only ever pull your gun out for bosses, or emergency

deft stump
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Or less.

raven mountain
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Need a weapon spec vet with survivalist and who doesn't crutch their gun to feed the glugger

nocturne dust
raven mountain
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Those fire bullets tho

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Love me dots.

deft stump
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But everyone else also needs ammo. Well, not me, I forget my flamer exists half the time.

dull scroll
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well in 2 days ogryns will be kings and we can't laugh at the fatties anymore ๐Ÿ˜”

ivory monolith
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Why dont u pick this talent. It have +10% attac speed

raven mountain
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You are space wizard.

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Use space magic.

nocturne dust
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use staff

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Staff is meta

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Attack speed is whatever

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cuz it's melee

raven mountain
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If you have scoreboard, look at how much melee you actually do.

ivory monolith
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So staff > sword ?

nocturne dust
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Generally

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Yes

deft stump
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Unless you run meleeker.

nocturne dust
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Melee has uses tho

raven mountain
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In the difficulties you're pushing, yes.

ivory monolith
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Hm i will think about it

nocturne dust
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like you use Voidblast with dueling sword, and dueling sword is for bosses/mutants

dull scroll
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it's a wizard, what is it do you think this class specializes normally smh

raven mountain
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Like, my inferno staff build will do like 500k range, 500k fire, and like 30-50k melee.

deft stump
nocturne dust
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Meleeker is real and like the 3rd best build for psyker in Havoc solely because FGS has infinite cleave

raven mountain
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I do take that attack speed on other builds that are super fun. But you were saying that your builds felt lacking and wanted a Meta one.

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That's Meta.

ivory monolith
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U guys really know class psyker

nocturne dust
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Well yeah

raven mountain
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(though I tweak a few things myself. I like having the whole warp charge tree)

nocturne dust
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I have thousands of hours in the game and all of them on psyker

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Don't ask me about Vet ๐Ÿ˜ฐ

deft stump
ivory monolith
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It was mt least favorid class. I tryid it last and its my favorit one

haughty brook
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Hello guys, i didnt play like 6month whats now " meta " with psyker? Like also the trauma staff and bubble its still good playable?

raven mountain
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Yeah. That's the starter Meta build.

raven mountain
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I still prefer fire because fire.

raven mountain
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But fire bubble works too

nocturne dust
haughty brook
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Good to know ^^, idk maybe it changes in 6 month ๐Ÿ˜„

nocturne dust
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I mean, EK is meta for Auric

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Electrokinetic being old Surge

dull scroll
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unlikely to change, infinite cleave vs higher density is just a math thing

raven mountain
# nocturne dust Fire Trauma: *exists*

Yeah! I use it on my scrier's knife build with true aim. Will always set fire when crits are forced. And then I get to take that stupid melee talent for more melee crits!

raven mountain
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It's a knife build with a built in response to bulwarks.

nocturne dust
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I see the logic

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I only accept staffker builds tho

raven mountain
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If it is a bulwark. Vb. If I have true aim, vb. Everything else, knife.

82% crit chance EE with all the movement speed on a knife.

deft stump
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Void is staff elitist.

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Don't mind him.

raven mountain
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Very literally on a knife's edge. You're either fully murdering everything or you fucked up and are dead. Not really any in between.

I have taken it into mid havocs, but wouldn't into high. Not enough cleave.

barren arch
#

I run a very cursed Psyker build consisting of Inferno staff, Blaze GS, Smite and Scrier's
I basically play the game as Sol Badguy

nocturne dust
raven mountain
#

But, but, what do you do into horde? Inferno, fgs, or smite?

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They all do the same job.

dull scroll
#

yes but some do the job better

raven mountain
#

I honestly prefer when my tools all do different jobs so that it's always clear what to be using.

deft stump
barren arch
#

Inferno is usually for mixed hordes/if I have the time to set up, FGS otherwise, especially if I have beeg cleave

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and Smite I only save for aggressive plays to, for ex., stun shooters as I approach them

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basically to buy me a bit more time to get into a more favorable position

nocturne dust
ivory monolith
#

So why didnt u pick this talent so u can have 6 stacks instead of 4. And having 2 more +4% dmg stacks

raven mountain
#

I usually just puff them if I need to stagger. Or sword throw.

nocturne dust
raven mountain
#

I do take it.

nocturne dust
#

It only increases max

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You lose all stacks when using your ability

raven mountain
#

I get those stacks all the time.

nocturne dust
dull scroll
nocturne dust
#

๐Ÿคทโ€โ™‚๏ธ

barren arch
dull scroll
ivory monolith
#

I will not have time between ults to have 6 stacks?

raven mountain
barren arch
#

I played it a bit to help my girlfriend grind and never again

nocturne dust
#

Warp Battery isn't useless, you do get 6 stacks occasionally, but statistically it's about the same for your damage output on Creeping Flames Shriek as Wildfire

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meaning it's one of the first nodes to cut

ivory monolith
#

Sounds fair

raven mountain
#

I like it because I do get it and because it's damage between bubbles and because it's more bubbles.

deft stump
raven mountain
#

Maybe vb doesn't as much though.

nocturne dust
#

(it's a little less than Wildfire which is why I prefer Wildfire, plus Wildfire is more consistent)

barren arch
#

ngl maybe its smth to do with me but I never liked the feel of bubble

dull scroll
#

nobody LIKES the feel of the bubble

ivory monolith
#

Feel of bubble?

nocturne dust
#

I was a bubble lover before Havoc

dull scroll
#

I'd run vent everyday if I could

nocturne dust
barren arch
#

but like in comparison

dull scroll
#

except you can't

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in havoc

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you get your ass beat

nocturne dust
#

Bubble 4 lyfe โค๏ธ

barren arch
#

I love the feeling of popping a last second wall into a Mutie's face

raven mountain
nocturne dust
raven mountain
#

Or even 1 and 1.

ivory monolith
raven mountain
#

Just don't bring an ogryn too, lol

barren arch
#

I used to use it

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I had this really stupid 'shield marine' psyker build

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it was fun but yeah no I'm never gonna do it again lol

ivory monolith
#

I one go with wall and i get shittalk from friends

nocturne dust
#

Wall is trash. Well, not trash trash, just overshadowed by bubble.

ivory monolith
#

Ones*

barren arch
#

yeah that's the thing

#

bubble is jusst

raven mountain
#

Wall needs to be taller too

barren arch
#

so much better lmao

nocturne dust
#

Plus wall has a lot of inconveniences

#

like not being tall enough to protect Ogryns KEKW_ogryn

ivory monolith
#

Bubble fo team is dope

raven mountain
#

Like if they have ANY height advantage, it's useless. And if there's an ogryn, it's useless.

dull scroll
#

the wall had only 1 niche, and that's vs hound/mutie train back in mael

barren arch
#

but my shield marine build was very uhh selfish

dull scroll
#

that was it

barren arch
#

where I'd play my Gunker more like a Veteran

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taking up advantegous spots and putting down a wall in front of myself

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and just sniping everything

raven mountain
#

But were you really a gunker if you weren't taking scrier?

barren arch
#

that was the experiment, a gunker with no Scrier

raven mountain
#

True philosophy question there.

barren arch
#

I also went BB with Enhanced Psykinetics

raven mountain
#

Prolly alright. Lasgun still builds fire stacks well enough at 22% crit.

barren arch
#

maybe thats why it didn't feel right lol

nocturne dust
raven mountain
#

Though I'd really crutch on assail to conserve ammo.

barren arch
#

in the end what changed me is I just started to like the feel of staffs

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especially the

raven mountain
#

And to make actual use of peril. And DD makes sense then.

barren arch
#

I always forget what its called

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the big shoe lmfao staff

nocturne dust
#

Honestly, FGS doesn't need scrier's really, so gunker functions perfectly fine without scrier's (because FGS' infinite cleave in Havoc just worksโ„ข๏ธ)

raven mountain
#

Doubly so if you bring a Bistol lol

barren arch
#

the day I discovered that staff can stagger ogryns

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and line them up for a force sword special stab

raven mountain
#

Bleed assail is funny. (not useful)

barren arch
#

was a good day

nocturne dust
raven mountain
#

Even if they left it at crits only.

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Just make it work with true aim.

nocturne dust
#

It would actually be weak because of the on-crit condition

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Blazing Spirit will never be good for melee ๐Ÿ˜ญ

raven mountain
#

With true aim, at least you'd get consistent crits almost every swing.

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When there's a horde.

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And it'd cap at 6 which isn't even that insane.

brazen rampart
ivory monolith
#

Btw why u recharge peril with holding R u can hear like psyker fighting demons in head

brazen rampart
#

You mean like, trauma?

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Ok yeah trauma.

ivory monolith
#

Like u cant control me

barren arch
#

whenever I show that gif everyone immediately understands which one I'm talking about lmao

raven mountain
#

Yeah. I did.

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I forgot that existed.

nocturne dust
ivory monolith
#

And like warp its like hell energy

ivory monolith
#

But spase hell energy

barren arch
#

why do they call it warp when you of in the cold daemon of out hot become the daemon

ivory monolith
#

So im letting demons in head while using warp

barren arch
#

to my understanding

barren arch
#

whenever a psyker does anything warp related there's a chance a daemon steps in through them

ivory monolith
#

Emperor should ban (kill) all demon hazards

nocturne dust
raven mountain
#

For what it's worth, the emperor himself is technically a demon hazard.

#

Psyker life.

deft stump
#

He is a warp god in the making.

#

WDYM?

deft stump
#

Living Saints are basically Daemon Princes.

radiant frigate
#

not exactly

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or perhaps exactly

#

i thought they were more like greater daemons (of the emprah)

deft stump
#

Except they keep a little more than being a husk, so to speak.

#

Naw, they are the greatest servants of the emperor given life anew to save others and carry out his will.

#

Martyrs.

brazen rampart
#

They are daemon princes.

#

The difference between a daemon prince and a greater daemon is quite simple.

#

Daemon princes were formerly mortal.

brazen rampart
#

Living saints, being that they were normal humans before their ascension, are daemon princes, by definition.

dull scroll
#

this chat is getting heretical fast

raven mountain
#

Since when are there space horses?!

upbeat kestrel
#

living saints are demon princes of emps

raven mountain
#

Yo honey, new class just dropped. Horse cavalry darktide.

brazen rampart
#

Go look up IG rough riders.

deft stump
brazen rampart
#

They ride these weird test tube baby horses and literally cavalry charge things with spears.

feral nexus
#

Only spears?

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Rookies

brazen rampart
#

As far as I know, yeah.

raven mountain
#

When will they be added to my darktide tho

feral nexus
#

If there was any sort of companion oriented class added, it'd be a houndmaster type class

#

Doubt that'd ever happen though

feral nexus
#

About as unlikely as us getting a beastman class

deft stump
brazen rampart
nocturne dust
#

Source:

raven mountain
#

Give us a hound master but make it use the same dog sounds.

#

Traumatize everyone every map.

feral nexus
nocturne dust
deft stump
raven mountain
#

Then make ogryn say, "Good doggy"

#

It's perfect.

raven mountain
#

New ogryn ability. Ogryn dog keeper. Passively mauls/CCs elites and suppresses gunners. Activate for fur missile.

deft stump
raven mountain
#

Ogryn sized dog.

raven mountain
#

Remnant fta did dog right.

raven mountain
#

Named ability good boy. Dog solos anything that isn't a monster/boss

feral nexus
deft stump
raven mountain
#

Assault marines would be a fun archetype. Blast the starting point and ending point in fire and stagger everything like voc. A mix of grenade+voc.

#

Yo, those things are amazing. Wdym?

#

They follow targets, attack things in front of them, stand in formation, and set things on fire for your passives.

#

They're fantastic as long as you don't sic them on a monster.

#

And stagger on summon.

#

Plus, remnant dog didn't need good ai because it had damage. Like one shot gunners damage. Kind of like a Kinetic flayer that self targets and triggers every 5 seconds or less.

deft stump
#

That's remnant.

#

Diff devs.

raven mountain
#

Sure. Doesn't change that dog has damage. One skelebro that kills a rat every attack, even specials, and can handily solo a storm vermin is still good with shit ai.

#

Having silly damage shelves a lot of "it's fecking dumb" problems.

deft stump
#

Not when they get shot to death with the AI being just leeroy straight into things.

#

Way more guns here.

raven mountain
#

That's why dog is bulky.

#

Even in remnant it's not as good as personally using abilities most of the time. But it's a pretty great example of how just stat padding an ai companion can do work.

deft stump
#

Unless it gets monstrosity tier hp...

raven mountain
#

Look at our ai bots. Those dudes are tanky as fuck.

deft stump
#

Wat.

#

They die in a heartbeat if it's unblockable.

raven mountain
#

They can't handle specials, sure.

deft stump
#

They just have inf stam and fake but not inf ammo.

raven mountain
#

But random horde and shooters, they live infinitely longer than their stats say they should.

#

Imagine if their lasguns actually did damage.

#

Bulk and damage solves a lot of "bad ai" problems across gaming.

deft stump
#

But can ruin the game for others if the summons are too strong.

raven mountain
#

It's balance, like anything.

deft stump
#

Why even bother if some guy hiding behind a wall with their 4 god summons mauling everything?

raven mountain
#

Welcome to summoner builds in many games.

deft stump
#

Cos I did that in an ARPG.

#

No friend wanted to play co-op with that build.

raven mountain
#

Same. And with generic action games. And with SRPGs.

deft stump
#

I just summon stuff and AFK.

raven mountain
#

Looking at path of exile, those builds are anyways relevant, but they're not top tier.

deft stump
#

Cos I basically could summon too much.

raven mountain
#

Summons still push you into relying on ai. So you have less control than you might otherwise have to react to situations. And it's infinitely slower than zoomy mapper who does the work themselves.

deft stump
#

And the best ones can mimic a decent player in terms of power and clear.

raven mountain
#

Yeah. That's why they're viable, but not top. They can mimic a decent player.

deft stump
#

I got 2 of them though.

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And a bunch of pack stuff to buff them.

raven mountain
#

Usually a decent player can outspeed minion builds in content that doesn't involve standing still.

deft stump
raven mountain
#

There's moments where minions are overtuned but that's not too often across the arpg space compared to self-focused builds.

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Yeah. Mages also get to run around. Archers get to run around. It's only melee bros that get cucked that way.

deft stump
#

Thing is, you can dodge while doing damage.

raven mountain
#

Yeah. Literally what I just said.

deft stump
#

Mages and archers usually can't.

raven mountain
#

Orb walking is a mechanic. Stutter stepping. Whatever you want to call it. They're able to be mobile and hit from anywhere they please.

deft stump
#

We don't talk melee. They eat hits for us or leeroy with some invul to not go boom.

raven mountain
#

And in path, many archers and mages have triggered spells too.

#

Not even getting into totems/ballista and brands which are minion-adjacent

deft stump
#

The delay from it just means you are better off either running a distance and peppering or just bulk up and bunker down.

raven mountain
#

You really can't say that definitively.

#

There's rarely a boss that demands you run at top speed at all times and you have no other form of maneuverability or speed boost.

deft stump
#

Is like comparing LoL and DOTA2. Orb walking is good, but due to turn rates, you will get dooked sooner or later.

raven mountain
#

Lol doesn't have turn rates.

deft stump
#

LoL is made for just being a pest with no turn rates.

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So stutterstep works fine.

raven mountain
#

And you'll get dooked because of enemy mobility and higher speed.

deft stump
#

But you have the same.

raven mountain
#

Ranged adcs are typically slower.

deft stump
#

Just flash away yourself.

raven mountain
#

Not played league much, have you?

deft stump
#

No. Only DOTA2.

#

I stopped with PvP side for ages though, only play co-op customs now.

raven mountain
#

Adcs are hyper vulnerable. Shit has a ton of mobility that can often just jump on them. They live and die by positioning or simply being able to kill something outright.

deft stump
#

Unless you count mobile LoL clones.

raven mountain
#

It's not just some guy running at you with like 20 more ms and only flash.

deft stump
#

In which I bring hard supports to offlane and solo.

deft stump
raven mountain
#

It might feel like shit in dota with turn rates, but arpgs don't often include that.

deft stump
#

So you just one shot anything that isn't a tank so only long range chainstuns will dook you over.

raven mountain
#

It's literally just your cast or attack speed.

dense wolf
#

Hoodchimps

raven mountain
#

You lose some damage if you're repositioning, but archers and mages tend to have very high cast/attack speed and can reliably move while attacking.

deft stump
#

Why depends. Pretty sure I played a few with turnrates. Made stutterstep a pain.

#

Since I roll glass cannon.

raven mountain
#

Not to mention most of these games include dodges or teleports.

deft stump
#

3 hits and I'm dead. 1 hit by any boss/mini-boss.

#

Yes, that's a short distance roll. That grants you evade.

#

So explosions still gib you.

#

You only evade arrows.

raven mountain
#

Yeah. I like bruisers. My last archer had physical to elemental damage conversion, 90% elemental res, 70% of damage converted to dot, and roughly 1/2 their hp regenerated a second.

#

All while hitting dot cap

deft stump
#

And that is pinpoint timing like playing Bayonetta but with Dragalia Lost controls but worse.

raven mountain
#

If it wasn't like 6x my health in a single hit, I could probably run away from it.

#

And I wasn't even the tanky one in my group.

deft stump
#

Game is also brutal, only lifesteal is on kill, and summons can ks so you don't heal. And it heals like 3hp per kill.

raven mountain
#

I miss dragalia lost.

#

That was a good one.

deft stump
#

I know.

#

I miss my dark team I dragged everywhere.

raven mountain
#

Dissidia was also an unfortunate eos.

#

I kinda understand record keeper and brave exvius. Those were really long in the tooth.

#

But still sad.

deft stump
#

Alberius, Gala Zelthia, Gala Chelle and Summer Verica.

#

WDYM boss isn't weak to Dark? Leeroy.

#

I mean, I only have a decent water team otherwise.

#

Also, 5x maxed Gala Bahamuts by the time endgame so lul.

#

Regina, Gala Mascula, Gala Elisanne and Saldalphon.

#

If it's 16 man solo raid, I bring Alberius since I know how to dragon dodge.

#

And he gets 3 different dragon dodge lul.

worthy wasp
#

Dclaw buffs are most qol stuff, but I'm stoked

#

Dclaw so good

plucky flax
#

Claw gaming pog

upper sun
#

claw mid

raven mountain
#

Is there a patch notes I missed somewhere?

plucky flax
#

Ye autopistol gonna be op

#

Can't believe they're buffing such a good weapon.

marble crater
#

Please no trolling

raven mountain
#

Give autopistol bleed or fire on hit and push instead of flashlight, and it'll actually be an interesting choice instead of just a worse autogun.

#

And gimme a 1 stack soulblaze on melee hit node!

#

Mostly bait, but I want it for memes.

zinc phoenix
#

Fuck that lemme dual wield autopistol

#

Like come on itโ€™s a clear reference to the klobb from goldeneye and everyone knows you dual wield klobb

#

True psyker would be oscurus + autopistol

cobalt granite
zinc phoenix
#

Goldeneye from the N64, ask your parents

cobalt granite
#

You could use old games to learn geometry shapes

deft stump
cloud sequoia
zinc phoenix
cloud sequoia
#

There's 3 patch note

glacial vapor
raven mountain
drifting steeple
#

real

#

i hope the changes to devil claw and autopistol can lay the groundwork for further changes regarding the dueling sword conundrum

dense wolf
#

dry eyes on these

#

what curios for smite build psyker?

raven mountain
#

Prolly same as any other psyker.

wooden sand
dense wolf
#

oke

raven mountain
#

Toughness focused. Maybe a stamina if you are on dueling sword and aren't taking block on peril.

fallow token
#

should i go lower Khangwife

raven mountain
#

There may be an hp breakpoint that is important to you. I think I've heard people say that 210 is a magic anti-sniper number, but I could be wrong.

raven mountain
marble crater
#

I use 1 stam and 2 toughness with 3 health, 3 toughness and 3 combat cooldown.
Can also do 1 stam, 1 health, 1 toughness, or more health/toughness instead of stam

raven mountain
#

Yeah, that's what I do. 1 of each, with three of each. But I sub out one health for one stamina regen.

fallow token
raven mountain
#

Prolly unnecessary, but I wanted it.

fallow token
#

i wanna try if i can get 20

fallow token
#

not now ig

dense wolf
#

mm

raven mountain
#

I use a 31WR fgs to quick shriek and maintain high peril.

fallow token
#

im thinking using fs too lol

#

but i dnt like if i need to uh

#

keep doing special atk

raven mountain
#

Even if I'm not doing bleed, the special attack is great.

#

It's like an illisi attack but with ranged stagger. Huge cleave.

fiery stratus
proper plover
#

wait so uhhh

#

what does Strength do on psyker, specifically

#

what does blaze away do >_<

prime elk
#

though obv +cleave not gonna do shit on purg staff

prime elk
#

i think taking one hp curio makes a LOT of sense with pubs

#

if you just play with friends, you can prob skip the hp curio (assuming you trust said friends)

proper plover
#

ty!

ornate hamlet
#

Lol is that cliffhanger penance video here?

jovial juniper
deft stump
ornate hamlet
#

๐Ÿ˜ฉ man

prime elk
#

i take all toughness on zealot, because i only play marty zealot uwugryn

ornate hamlet
#

I'm not selfish, just telling the team I need to do this penance and poof killed by the exploding poxburster

upper sun
#

@nocturne dust i think you made me sick staregryn

#

shouldnt have played with u yesterday

ornate hamlet
#

perhaps another day ๐Ÿ˜ฎโ€๐Ÿ’จ

deft stump
marble crater
#

Someone had to do the shoot bottle penance the other day, I stayed and protected him chadgryn

ornate hamlet
proper plover
#

good lord, ok

#

after being freed from getting all penances on all classes

#

trying to re-learn psyker has been an..experience

#

especially electrokinetic hoooooly that peril generation

left basin
#

i require kamehameha mechanics

proper plover
#

what a wild staff

deft stump
marble crater
#

It was a pub and he just asked for help at the start

deft stump
deft stump
marble crater
marble crater
drifting steeple
marble crater
#

Too many people who just run around in pox gas I have learned

marble crater
drifting steeple
#

cool

deft stump
drifting steeple
#

54/60 penances

marble crater
drifting steeple
#

what kind of build is good for ek?

#

ah fuck forgot to change my talent tree

deft stump
indigo plank
#

Soothe the headaches

marble crater
#

At least that's what I use and I heard no complaints yet staregryn

cloud night
deft stump
drifting steeple
#

do i gamble for dump stat inferno staff

prime elk
#

gamble on the most boring staff? why bother

drifting steeple
#

isnt it like good

marble crater
#

If you are rich enough and have all other weapons done, you can. Imo it's not worth it though

prime elk
drifting steeple
#

i like it

marble crater
drifting steeple
#

60 warp res

marble crater
#

Then yeah

drifting steeple
#

you can go lower than that?

deft stump
marble crater
#

You can if you roll low enough warp resistance and high on the other stats so that it doesn't increase to a lot while upgrading

#

But... hardly worth it, especially if you still need to get other weapons

cloud night
marble crater
#

Please don't share them again

deft stump
# cloud night Share it lmao

It's been shared here before in a link. Some people got mad about tanking DH with it cos I should just die then... I use it to tank for ppl for MM, lmao.

drifting steeple
#

also was it voidblast or voidstrike that was the outlier for dump stat

marble crater
#

Voidstrike dumps blast radius

deft stump
deft stump
drifting steeple
#

i am surprised ek went from one of my least favourite weapons to my favourite

deft stump
#

ALL the peril reduction. ALL.

#

Well, i could take more.

#

The small nodes.

#

HRM.

#

Maybe drop Wildfire for -5% peril gen.

#

HRM.

marble crater
#

Maybe just make an ogryn

deft stump
cloud night
prime elk
#

gunker with shield is cursed ngl

prime elk
cloud night
#

Works for me
Survived plenty with it

deft stump
#

But yes, you can replace FGS with FS and it'll work.

#

You just can't tank as long.

upper sun
#

my professor sat next to me while explaining shit about graph theory

prime elk
nocturne dust
#

Honestly, I only really use Scrier's on gunker when I'm ammodumping a boss KEKW_ogryn

nocturne dust
#

Everything else dies too quickly to assail and FGS

prime elk
#

if i can hit F, i'll hit F

#

that's pretty much all there is to SG for me

fiery stratus
nocturne dust
#

Lol, maybe that's why I'm a voidstrike munchkin, I actually hold my scrier's for groups

prime elk
#

i just never really liked VS

#

even before it got nerfed

pure karma
#

Anyone have a chasm log mission we can duo? Itยดs just for the penance

prime elk
#

always been a gunker/EK enjoyer chadgryn

#

and purg back when it was mid

nocturne dust
#

Gunker is the most boring way to play psyker

nocturne dust
#

other than smite

#

ok

prime elk
#

the fastest way to play psyker is the most boring way???

#

actual heresy

nocturne dust
#

It's literally Zealot

prime elk
#

zealot... but more gun

nocturne dust
#

If I wanted to play Zealot, I would play Zealot

prime elk
#

zealot doesn't get fgs tho

nocturne dust
#

Zealot gets relic blade

#

which is pretty neat

prime elk
#

also gunker throwing knife is ~homing~

nocturne dust
#

they also get thammer

#

which is pretty neat

#

they also get crusher

#

which is pretty neat

#

they also get eviscerator

#

which is pretty neat

prime elk
#

evis meh

#

thammer meh

#

idk how crusher is post nerf

drifting steeple
#

whats the most fun way to play psyker then

prime elk
#

gunker

nocturne dust
marble crater
nocturne dust
drifting steeple
prime elk
#

i only ever use rb in havoc

#

for zealot

#

rb is too good

nocturne dust
prime elk
#

EK and trauma are ok

deft stump
nocturne dust
#

Want assail? Voidstrike. Want to gamble? Voidstrike. Want to purge enemies by fire? Inferno. Want to teach Crushers a lesson? Blast. Want to delete specials? EK.

#

Want to delete bosses? Wait-

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๐Ÿ˜”

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Inferno is actually really good boss damage, comparatively. Beats out Recon.

nocturne dust
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Of course, that's before Scrier's, but you could always do... ugh, Scrier's Inferno

jovial juniper
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I mean the Evis3 is bad

cloud night
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Deadvoid likes big warp balls

prime elk
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recon's boss damage is kinda sad before you factor in infernus

nocturne dust
jovial juniper
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The 15 is just RB distant cousin

marble crater
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Back in my day there was no Evis 3, there was Evis 2 and 15

nocturne dust
prime elk
jovial juniper
zinc phoenix
nocturne dust
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The only thing that clearly beats Inferno for boss damage is Vraks, which is Vraks

jovial juniper
nocturne dust
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on psyker

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Actually, I never tested laspistol loregryn

prime elk
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i remember FGS having pretty decent boss damage ๐Ÿค”

nocturne dust
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I mean, it does

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But it's no uncanny soulblaze. Even ignoring uncanny, Inferno is still very high on the list with Blaze Away maxxing.

nocturne dust
zinc phoenix
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And also zoomin

nocturne dust
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The only weapon that makes me actually feel zoomin is knife

marble crater
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Increase your FOV

deft stump
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IDK how did I even play that auric run with that.

nocturne dust
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My FOV is 110 iirc

deft stump
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Bonus, Zoomy Zealot with heavy regret penances.

long wharf
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I guess you don't need toughness if you can just block forever (using only stamina curios on psyker)

nocturne dust
long wharf
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basically yeah

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was just looking at the build Karien posted

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I suppose it'll work as a dedicated boss block/kite build

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I can't imagine it feels very good to play aside from that

nocturne dust
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I'm not brave enough to scroll up

long wharf
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I don't control where Discord decides to stop scrolling

prime elk
deft stump
long wharf
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I see

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where's the corruption resistance on the curios, then?

deft stump
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And I refuse to play oggy.

prime elk
marble crater
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Two days until peak and every mission having 4 ogryns

deft stump
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I don't need them. You will never hit 1 wound without. At a point, you stop taking corruption damage.,

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You would have known if you can AFK block tank for like 2 mins.

long wharf
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what do you mean you'll never hit 1 wound?

deft stump
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You take a fixed amount of corruption from the DH.

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At max.

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It will never go to 1.

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If you kill fast enough, you take little.

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Otherwise, it'll cap out at around 45% of my Psyker HP bar of corruption.

long wharf
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ok

cloud night
deft stump
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Honestly, don't. I really only do it because all I got on my Psyker is inf+1 +3 stam curios.