psyker-class

[marble crater]

No

You will do havoc and you will like it

[upper sun]

nuh uh

[junior linden]

Yeah we can do sefoni funny brain quests

[honest bloom]

brainmaxxing

[upper sun]

https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/original/3X/7/e/7e38d247ad859eae222dae7fe5c55c38a8dbe95e.png

this is still awful

https://europe1.discourse-cdn.com/flex013/uploads/fatshark/optimized/3X/8/7/87db7bdb67950e85a447646dc1d265c5abf4c820_2_1035x697.png

wait no

this sounds fire

forget what i said

[patent mango]

the deranking changes are horrible

[summer prairie]

what deranking changes

[mental rock]

simply dont lose

[patent mango]

everyone gets a loss instead of 1 person lol

[honest bloom]

i was happy abt everyone losing their charges when the mission fails instead of just the host

[summer prairie]

oh right that

[mental rock]

I mean the changes make sense

[honest bloom]

I used to get annoying people who blatantly said they don't care if we fail because they don't lose anything

[summer prairie]

I don't see how you keep losing enough for that to matter

[autumn lark]

this change single handedly kills havoc

[upper sun]

yeah thats fucking stupid

[patent mango]

so over havoc gamers

[summer prairie]

you can lose 5 times and one win negates it

[upper sun]

remove demotions and promotions make everyone able to quickplay their desired level and reduce the levels to ~6

[patent mango]

demotions annoying

[upper sun]

🤔

[autumn lark]

it removes any incentive to experiment in hard content

you are now forced to play the meta

[mental rock]

they will keep demotions because that's how they engagement bait

[summer prairie]

I mean if you are 40, lose 5 times, you'll be 39 and one win brings you back to 40 with 3 attempts

[patent mango]

just let me unlock the highest havoc i've beaten permanently

then add quickplay cause its hilarious

[autumn lark]

also

[upper sun]

i volunteer ill demote myself to level 1 to boost up anyone whos on their 4th loss

[autumn lark]

people can intentionally grief

i can use shroudfield speedrun forward with knife and bring a crusher stack back to my team

[summer prairie]

right do you get your attempts back if you do havoc 1

[autumn lark]

maybe even trigger the daemonhost ritual

[upper sun]

most likely

[summer prairie]

that would be too tedious to do anyway

[upper sun]

why the hell does a pve game have ranked anyways

who asked for this

[patent mango]

wheres weaves....

[mental rock]

people could grief before, in fact it was very common because the griefers had nothing to lose

atleast they will lose an attempt with this change

[autumn lark]

now everyone will lose the attempt

[mental rock]

yes

[plucky flax]

Sorry it was me I am the griefter.

[upper sun]

but they can still queue up again with zero charges

[mental rock]

thats how it should be if you ask me

[upper sun]

so its still the same

[patent mango]

let me buy attempts from sire melk

[upper sun]

no

i dont want melk to do anything useful ever again

[patent mango]

replace melk in a random patch

[analog agate]

Just because someone can grief doesn’t mean they do. As antagonist said, they could grief before. I played about 160-170 havocs. I ran into ?1 griefer who purposely left at the beginning of the round

[mental rock]

yeah ya'll are too worried about griefers when you should really be worried about yourself

[upper sun]

warudo griefed me by adding 29347 mods to his game so it never runs correctly

[patent mango]

you got 9 plague ogryns on us

[upper sun]

nuh uh

[patent mango]

yuh yuh

[marble crater]

I griefed by playing smite in hound, mutant, burster maelstrom

[junior linden]

I griefed by playing smite

[marble crater]

Hey, nobody left the lobby when they saw it, so that's a win

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-me-barry-original-flash-reverse-flash-gif-16579891338034607240

[deft stump]

I'm literally running stealth loner to try and fail at penances.

[marble crater]

Why are trying to fail at penances?

[deft stump]

The playstyle. I'm atrocious at doing loner cos I always stay too close.

[marble crater]

Smh

[deft stump]

Wat.

[wispy bay]

Just play malice

[deft stump]

Nobody knows how to scan there.

[left basin]

i repeat useless question

what do you suggest for scrier's dd25

[plucky flax]

Scan what

[deft stump]

Bodies. Machines. You know.

Like the finale of Archivum.

[plucky flax]

You have stalth loner you can do all objectives yourself

[deft stump]

Just Vigil Station.

[deft stump]

Not when I'm having to kill everything, pick them all up and do it again.

[plucky flax]

Do more

[deft stump]

I can't clutch well. You know that.

[plucky flax]

You're practicing carrying skills

No panic

[deft stump]

Always panic.

[plucky flax]

Pls no rip ears

[deft stump]

I internally panic.

More and more when ppl go down.

[upbeat kestrel]

Panic Gaming

[deft stump]

P.A.N.I.C.

[radiant frigate]

real

[marble crater]

For auric all staves are great, for havoc inferno and voidblast are meta

Electric staff for specials, inferno and voidblast for hordes, voidstrike can do both in long corridors, not so much in wide open spaces where the horde is spread out

[graceful slate]

Uhhhrr too bad for Quell Speed, not gonna take it

[marble crater]

Sad

Blast radius is also too high

[analog agate]

I couldnt help it... These guys couldnt handle a horde when I was kiting and killing multiple bosses and everything else. As you can see hahahahaha

[drifting marten]

Hey, anyone willing to help me out with two psyker penances?

[graceful slate]

How can a stat be too high ? .

[plucky flax]

If it's mm I can help

If its cliff hanger nein

[drifting marten]

Yeah, that would be great

[marble crater]

Because blast radius is the dump stat for that staff, so you want that at 60

[drifting marten]

The cliff hanger one is also a huge pain

[deft stump]

Unless you just wanna meme bowling ball stuff.

[graceful slate]

Sounds hilarious

[graceful slate]

You mean the ball will be too big ?

[marble crater]

Yeah, it's better to aim with a smaller radius

[marble crater]

Smh my head. Half the time you also don't have much of a choice of where to kite

[strong gulch]

Hi chat

[marble crater]

Hi

[drifting marten]

Thanks!

[plucky flax]

Np just remember I'm better than some noob called clad.

[verbal thistle]

True

[plucky flax]

Oh hai

[verbal thistle]

Hallo

[drifting marten]

Will do 🤣

[plucky flax]

He likes to help people do mm too but he goes on oggy.

[drifting marten]

Thats what I though you were going at first

[plucky flax]

[drifting marten]

but psyker worked even better

[plucky flax]

I am pro enough to be able to kite dh on psyker. (not tru)

[hot hamlet]

lol

[plucky flax]

[drifting marten]

Now, is there anyone who wants to suffer with me and do the ledge penance?

[strong gulch]

https://youtu.be/wu6BlzdLSGY?si=uJWo5Vj9ggves1FB

Let's all get good.

I will forget and just be scared tho

[deft stump]

Just build to AFK, is ezy.

[marble crater]

I'm so good at fighting DHs, you can't even see me do it

[graceful slate]

The toxic trait I can gain through is to provoke every Daemonhost to try it out after watching it

[plucky flax]

Yeah I did mm for him in less than 2 mins.

Super pro player

[strong gulch]

[deft stump]

I assume lucky boss spawn at start.

[marble crater]

Did you read/watch this yet? #psyker-class message

[strong gulch]

The cliffhanger list grew. #psyker-class message

It might be in overwhelming territory now.

[drifting marten]

Ok, just watched it. Thank you, I've tried to get this penance for like 2 hours in public games. I'll give this a try.

[plucky flax]

Just super pro

[graceful slate]

Well according to the previous discussion, 62% blast radius sounds good

[marble crater]

For voidstrike, yes.
This is voidblast and needs 80% blast radius

[graceful slate]

[marble crater]

For voidblast 60% warp resistance and everything else 80 is perfect

[strong gulch]

Oh look. Fatshark totally clearing up confusion.

Definitely good name changes.

[marble crater]

Yeah, so glad they did that

Just do Voidblaze and Voidshock or something so we can just ignore the void part

[strong gulch]

ye

@nocturne dust had been right this whole time.

Oh.. I mean Dead.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/there-must-be-some-mistake-charlene-frazier-stillfield-jean-smart-designing-women-that-cant-be-right-gif-17492413

[strong gulch]

I hope you're feeling at least a little better.

[nocturne dust]

I am now, though I'm busier than ever catching up with stuff now

[strong gulch]

😭

Hope you don't get sick again.

[plucky flax]

Can't stop me when I'm on knife zealot

[strong gulch]

I don't mind when you zip ahead. You don't trigger the whole map onto the rest of the team like a speed runner.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-speedy-gonzalez-fast-ariba-brt-gif-14083077

[plucky flax]

Sorry

[twin aurora]

Hi does anyone know what talent I was just being buffed by in a game where my peril gen for assails was only 5% instead of the usual 10%. It was from the other pysker I was playing with but I didn't get a chance to look at his build

[marble crater]

Sounds more like a combat stim or you used shriek before using assail

[dull scroll]

sure you didn't have this?

[twin aurora]

I was using telekine shield and I wasn't using by crack of bone. Also, it was constant, like it was passive

[broken carbon]

what i’m hearing is that ur washed and can’t carry

nooob

[twin aurora]

Also i had 12 assails instead of 10

[strong gulch]

TRUE

Also if I keep up with you, I prevent you from dodging attacks.
No precog for u

[strong gulch]

That was enhanced blitz from a mission modifier.

[broken carbon]

and that’s exactly why i “speedrun” (run a room ahead)

[twin aurora]

ahhhhhhh thank you very much it makes sense now. must've been that

[deft stump]

Precog is bad anyway.

[strong gulch]

I don't use it for a reason

[lusty ferry]

what weapon best dps for auric/havocs for psyker? for specialist waves etc. horde waves

main weapon. not secondary

[junior linden]

Flame staff

[analog agate]

Depending skill lvl. Best dps in non havoc is EK or VB staff. Best dps in havoc is VB.

If you don’t have the skill lvl it is inferno

And I assume you do mean secondary. Because if you mean primary then it is uhhhhh fgs in a melee build

[strong gulch]

Just a heads up. When people say secondary here, that is usually in reference to RMB (right mouse button) or charged attack.

idk what controller is

[marble crater]

Controller is peak, is what it is

But RT/R2 is lmb and LT/L2 is rmb

[deft stump]

Some ppl don't believe two ppl on controller can do H40 TS.

[marble crater]

That's silly, because there is literally video proof

[deft stump]

Or console gamer can do H40.

[long wharf]

I block people when I identify that they're playing with a controller

[marble crater]

Block me

[long wharf]

already did, and we've never played together

[deft stump]

Yeah, just block us and be done with it.

[marble crater]

Good, so it's working

[upper sun]

there are some pretty good controller players

[long wharf]

yeah, I don't actually block controller players

but I do audibly scoff

that said, I have yet to see someone using a controller and actually play well

[upper sun]

sut was pretty good with throwing knives

took me a while to pick up throwing knives and in a couple of games he was as good as me

THO idk if that says more about me or him

[plucky flax]

Tru same here

[marble crater]

Rude

[plucky flax]

I didn't know you play on controller you play so well!

[marble crater]

[prime elk]

i don't even pay attention

i just look at their ammo taken to damage ratio

that's basically all i judge

[long wharf]

ah, the highest level of gameplay on a controller is for people to not realize you use a controller at all

does that really speak highly of using a controller in the first place? 🙂

[plucky flax]

[marble crater]

Throwing knives are almost unusable if you don't have extra paddles, unless you don't care about dodging at all

[upper sun]

damn

[long wharf]

oof, imagine defending controller usage by saying you have to use a modded controller

[upper sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1349858647190147102/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2025.03.13_-_22.34.42.01-00.04.05.892-00.04.12.092.mp4?ex=67d7ed14&is=67d69b94&hm=4306ba8ec19699e8c9392cfc6574901ab0c6430e9400d79047f3e07c3d52e5b2&

fun fact they dont work when block broken

[deft stump]

60/500.

[proper osprey]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1342577028745924660/IMG_2110.gif

i play with controller

[long wharf]

that cat has seen some things

[proper osprey]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1133548538647805964/1285621141905346560/attachment.gif

[marble crater]

You can play perfectly well without extra paddles, but if you want throwing knives and dodging you will need one, because the preset button layouts are bad and we can't change those

[long wharf]

not being able to change the binds is lame

[marble crater]

Yes, blame Fatshark for that I guess

I can change them because of the software that came with my new controller, so personally I am fine

[deft stump]

I don't even use that properly, lmao.

Sprint and special on paddles, yes.

[long wharf]

so why don't you use keyboard and mouse?

[marble crater]

Because I don't like how I have to sit

[plucky flax]

Man can't afford a pc.

[marble crater]

And since I never really used them for shooters and the like I would be way worse than with controller

[long wharf]

oh, you don't sit at a desk

[marble crater]

That too but I also don't like it when I play Europa Universalis or something

[azure parcel]

Controller is easier on hands

[marble crater]

I do

[azure parcel]

So I play controller

It's a pve game at the end of the day

[plucky flax]

Tbf this game is so demanding to play it on pc you need quite a decent machine.

[upper sun]

its also very badly optimized

[azure parcel]

me hiding my 4 yr old laptop

[plucky flax]

Yeah it's crap.

[upper sun]

my favorite bug is when raytracing enables itself because FUCK YOU

[plucky flax]

This engine is too old and broken.

[azure parcel]

I have been having insane stuttering problems last few days and I couldn't figure out why

Turns out

[plucky flax]

It's just every patch makes the game runs worse.

[azure parcel]

It was only because it's gotten hotter here and I didn't bring my laptop stand with the inbuilt fan

[plucky flax]

My game was so smooth and nice at patch 13 release.

[marble crater]

Maybe I will try crouch/slide on one of the paddles again, but having the Blitz there is just so convenient

[plucky flax]

Then it gets worse and worse

[dull scroll]

thought my graphic card was finally bitting it, good to know it's fatshark business as usual

[urban citrus]

per character

[plucky flax]

Well if you run mods the performance is much worse.

I can get the game to run very smooth with no mods but...

[long wharf]

the game performance doesn't suffer just because you have mods installed

it entirely depends on the mod and what it's doing

[dull scroll]

this game operates on dark sorceries us mere mortals wouldn't comprehend

[plucky flax]

Scoreboard/powerdi and weapon customisation are resources intensive mods.

[long wharf]

it's called "Lua"

and it really is the devils's playground

[long wharf]

scoreboard isn't as bad as you think it is, and weapon customization only takes up the additional resources of the models and textures that wouldn't otherwise be loaded

[mental rock]

yeah I hardly see an impact with powerdi

[long wharf]

scoreboard is hooking into existing events

[plucky flax]

I get micro stutter on my pc still.

[long wharf]

your pc is a micro stutter

[plucky flax]

wut

[dull scroll]

have to clear scoreboard history, it saves everything, and gets slower as time goes on

[analog agate]

The microstutter doesn’t go away

[long wharf]

I haven't noticed any stuttering

[plucky flax]

Your game is built different

[long wharf]

must be

I also downloaded extra ram the other day

[mental rock]

I mean I get stutters now and then, but I'm on a laptop

[long wharf]

you should try that, too

[mental rock]

truly the ultimate lifehack

[plucky flax]

I did download some extra ram. I got 64gb now.

[long wharf]

did you make sure you got virus-free ram?

that's important

[plucky flax]

I like free virus in my free ram

It helps the pc's immune system.

[long wharf]

that's right

your pc will naturally build immunities

[plucky flax]

What ram did you use actually? I found out that my ram is the same as my brother's... and the price is the same if not slightly more expensive.

He bought it like 2 years ago.

Wtf

Why ram so expensive

[marble crater]

It's so you can play better

[mighty olive]

is there a problem with disrupt destiny atm? seems stacks fall off instantly or ya get no buff when you do kill the marked one

[mental rock]

visual bug

problem with the amount of buffs that can be displayed at the same time I think

[long wharf]

I use DD regularly, and haven't noticed any issues like that

[mighty olive]

makes sense

ty so much ❤️

[mental rock]

there are mods to fix the buff bar if you really care

[mighty olive]

nah i'm fine then, i appreciate it ❤️

[long wharf]

just remember that we didn't even get to see buffs at all until a mod did it first

FartShack doesn't know how to make anything user friendly

[analog agate]

G.skill flare x5 ddr5 6000

Was 189.99 US

[plucky flax]

Us pc parts so cheap compared to uk

[analog agate]

They were. Don’t worry, we will catch up to you soon

[strong gulch]

There is an issue with the UI and too many buffs that. Sometimes they just don't display but you do have the DD stacks.

[long wharf]

seriously, if you're looking to buy PC parts in the US, buy sooner rather than waiting

prices in the US are only going to go up, and quickly

[strong gulch]

There is a speed buff in DD that lasts 4s, and that is often what people see pop up and then disappear.

[mental rock]

I wanna say this has been a bug since like, the inception of DD

[strong gulch]

I think so lmao

[marble crater]

I'm putting tariffs on Agent's peril and quell speed

[plucky flax]

If you're pro you'd slide quell constantly.

[marble crater]

I slide quell and slide charge sometimes

[plucky flax]

Shield ogryn and support zealot top dps over the 2 psykers (they decided to stack burga for whatever reason)

[fiery stratus]

Anybody for auric?

[plucky flax]

What about goonerframe (the first descendant)? Anyone played that?

[marble crater]

I did for a while and then it was just grinding and repetitive

[plucky flax]

Darktide still no real new contents.

Ogryn rework and havoc changes are not 'new' content btw.

[mental rock]

There was a skiitari leak or something

Maybe in 2 years we get a new class

[marble crater]

All the things in the thirst descendant didn't really take long enough to be fun, dungeons and boss raids are finished in like 5 minutes and then you do the exact same thing again and again and again, just to be able to do it in 4,5 minutes

[graceful slate]

What's the real difference between blaze force sword and blaze force greatsword ? The range of the blade ?

[upper sun]

played for a bit got mad i couldnt get the gleepglorp i wanted to upgrade my thingy after rerunning one mission 5 times

havent touched it since

[plucky flax]

Maybe I'll just play it for like 25 hours then uninstall.

[upper sun]

also the game is not balanced

[plucky flax]

I kind of want the division 3 man

1 was so gud. 2 was meh

[upper sun]

every mission has that turbo unemployed mofo that kills everything with rabbit aoe in 3 seconds

[marble crater]

It's worth if you want to look at beautiful ladies

[mental rock]

Big differences, even between the different normal force swords. Fgs has a charge mechanic you get from killing enemies that releases a ranged slash attack. Scales well with crits

[plucky flax]

I only played 2 for like 1.5 year though heard division 2 got massively improved.

[plucky flax]

Yeah I'll just look at some thicc buns for a few hours for fun.

I'm bored since I'm still on leave for 2 weeks.

[marble crater]

Greatsword has longer reach and a warp slice special attack, also move sets are different, attack speed, damage etc.

[upper sun]

😭 agent is gonna be the dude on rabbit that kills everything

[plucky flax]

I dunno what that means

[graceful slate]

So overall one is just buffing itself and the other is throwing getsuga tensho all around

[marble crater]

You will soon

[upper sun]

one of the chars in last descendant has very high mobility and a massively over tuned aoe attack

idk if it got changed yet

[marble crater]

Hopefully Agent doesn't buy ultimate bunny and Freya

[upper sun]

but essentially zip by and kill everything

[plucky flax]

Nah I won't spend a dime on this free game.

If the free skins are not hot enough so be it.

[marble crater]

Maybe you change your mind if you see their skins

[plucky flax]

I've seen some bunny suits...

They are nice but eh I'm never going to play this game seriously.

[plucky flax]

I mean lost ark is also a pretty game.

[upper sun]

im just doing xcom until darktide gets the patch

[plucky flax]

I'll play poe2 when that comes out

[paper dust]

question

[plucky flax]

Bye darktide

[paper dust]

whom here own phantom brigade?

[upper sun]

not me

[analog agate]

First decendant was so boring when I played it. Truly no challenge. Someone who never worked an mnk could play it and not die. It would be an extremely easy mode in any other game. And you couldn’t do hard mode until you did a whole bunch of time wasting and boring bullshit. I have honestly never felt so annoyed at a game wasting my time.

[marble crater]

What's your favorite class and why is it ranger or reaper?

[upper sun]

its ranger

imma be real

i cant get reaper to work

[nocturne dust]

She's been out-performed by updates not once, but 3 times

[upper sun]

GOOD

i hate bunny and i hate her annoying laugh

[nocturne dust]

Ultimate Freya was much stronger than Bunny, Ines is much stronger than Ultimate Freya, and the newest descendant Serena is much stronger than Ines

[marble crater]

You scout ahead, use claymores and remote detonation and only use them for securing kills and later also to mag dump on big targets with Banish

Always stay concealed with the reaper

[upper sun]

i like templar more

[upper sun]

the concealed hud is annoying

[marble crater]

I never used Templars or Sparks for that matter

[nocturne dust]

I play The First Descendant still, mostly because I'm weird and like the feeling of infinite growth the game gives because they keep adding progression systems. The updates have shown there's no real vision for the game though, with how they just keep adding new progression systems for players that are already swimming in power.

[upper sun]

sparks who cares

[upper sun]

eh thats not really for me i spent most of the game doing inventory management

[nocturne dust]

but unga bunga numba go up

[nocturne dust]

They added vacuum pets that clean your inventory

and automatically pick up stuff

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/now-kith-birds-kiss-mike-tyson-boxing-legend-gif-17760537

[nocturne dust]

That sounds very familiar, doesn't it

[upper sun]

this is most of what i do in xcom

[nocturne dust]

wonder where they got that idea from

[upper sun]

🚬 too late

[marble crater]

Bonding your soldiers?

[upper sun]

hell yeah

[nocturne dust]

I mean you still have to grind out the pet, and then grind out resources to level your pet because they don't just auto-level by playing or anything

[marble crater]

Ew

[nocturne dust]

It's not a terrible grind, really, and the pet is pretty functional for inventory management at lvl 1, but it's still kinda stupid

[plucky flax]

I'm 100% playing stellar blade for eyes candy when it comes out

[leaden geode]

Something about the phrase grind out the pet just sounds wrong

[nocturne dust]

same

[plucky flax]

Gooner squad

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/mass-effect-mordin-solus-had-to-be-me-gif-25264978

[plucky flax]

Rip my boi

[upper sun]

stellar blade is a game with eyecandy last descendent is a grind fest with eyecandy

stellar blade is kino while the other is expensive slop

[nocturne dust]

Warframe is a grind fest without eye candy 😔

[upper sun]

pregnant warframes

[nocturne dust]

Okay, sorry, Warframe is a grind fest with eye candy, you're right

[marble crater]

I blame Fatshark for this, because the female character model is the same as the male one

All the gooners have to get their fix from other games

[dull scroll]

the females are uggo in this game

the one face that was a good side profile looks like a square from the front

[strong gulch]

I like them, but having more variation would be nice.

[nocturne dust]

To be fair, it is extra work, technically, to have more diverse models. Gee, could you imagine wasting all that extra time on a second model completely different from the standard male model every class definitely uses? Good thing Fatshark decided against that.

[marble crater]

Model female ogryns you cowards

[nocturne dust]

It would be hilarious if they modelled female ogryns into ultimate gooner bait somehow

[strong gulch]

While I'm complaining...

More hair styles please. Also with colors and depth options that work better with the dark skin tones.

Dark is used generously.

[nocturne dust]

I would like female hair that looks like someone didn't just take a razor to it randomly

[marble crater]

[strong gulch]

That's a consistent problems in games. The hair and makeup aren't attuned to darker skin depths (if darker and dark skin is even an option).

[analog agate]

The female hair in Avowed looks really good

[strong gulch]

dev note: In an effort to give the player more female hair options, we have provided a bowlcut with a broken comb stuck in it.

[nocturne dust]

Update: New hair cut added (it's longer bowlcut)

[marble crater]

The bowlcut with bald in the back half is so foul

[nocturne dust]

That's a thing?

[strong gulch]

Any kind of hair is a thing I swear. Sometimes I like it tho.

Market it to me the right way. lmao

[marble crater]

That's good to hear, will start that any month now

[nocturne dust]

Party in the front, business in the back, choose bald-back bowlcut now!

[marble crater]

[marble crater]

[radiant frigate]

why did i expect you to say "massively overtuned ass"

[nocturne dust]

Because it's appropriate for the First Descendant

🙏

[radiant frigate]

should add that to the patch notes

[upper sun]

rabbit was so broken i couldnt even enjoy the model

thats how bad the balance was

[radiant frigate]

what kind of non-animal character is named rabbit

[nocturne dust]

Just Warframe balance 🤷‍♂️

[upper sun]

i dont think im even allowed to post here here

[upper sun]

i tried warframe it wasnt bad but the default controls and mouse settings felt awful

[marble crater]

Post her in zealot chat

[upper sun]

lmao

[nocturne dust]

Yes, lol

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bnuuy-bunny-shitpost-rabbit-mm-yees-bnuuy-gif-7970488282837678817

[nocturne dust]

She's not that bad if it's the default skin

It's the ultimate skin that is 🥵

https://tenor.com/view/the-first-descendant-tfd-first-descendant-bunny-gif-26988116

is default

[upper sun]

yeah thats not as bad as i remember damn

anyhow awful to play with

[nocturne dust]

Lmao, she's one of my favorite playstyles

[upper sun]

imagine if zealot has a trauma staff that had no cast time

[nocturne dust]

Just run

[radiant frigate]

i just looked it up

that is.. quite something

[nocturne dust]

Well no, imagine if Psyker could cast trauma automatically via sprinting

[brazen rampart]

Reapers need to be high level to start working well.

Basically, reapers are diet sharpshooters until they get their good skills like banish.

[nocturne dust]

and also Psyker had an ability to sprint faster for much boom

[brazen rampart]

But they're hella good for setting up ambushes.

I'm talking turn 1 sectopod death.

[upper sun]

idk man my reaper does ike 4 damage per shot everything else does 6-9

and i reallllly hate the ui reapers have in stealth

[brazen rampart]

Get them a better gun?

[nocturne dust]

Ah, that makes sense

[upper sun]

i dont have anything

[brazen rampart]

Get stuff?

[upper sun]

leave me alone im poor

[brazen rampart]

Noob?

[nocturne dust]

I tried to state what the skin showed and I've been blocked

[brazen rampart]

I play long war of the chosen and get my teeth kicked in still using ballistics when the enemy fields mutons.

You have no excuse. :)

[upper sun]

man

[brazen rampart]

(I'm joking)

[upper sun]

idk how i played xcom2 when it first came out

i was so much better

i save scummed so much already

even then my number1 girlie and number 2 guy still died to make extraction after blowing up an avatar place

[nocturne dust]

They modeled specific details. Specific. Details.

[radiant frigate]

how is it that they become more powerful by becoming less clothed

[nocturne dust]

Hm, I wonder if I post a meme of her the mods will be angry

[radiant frigate]

probably

[nocturne dust]

Shame

[brazen rampart]

Tell me, are you just dashing all your people or are you moving into blue squares first?

[upper sun]

what do you take me for?

[dull scroll]

missing 90% shots calls for reloading

[upper sun]

i go move by move so i dont reveal too much shit thatll fuck me up

i try to get my guys to cover for eachother as we advance

[radiant frigate]

eggscom

[upper sun]

but idk sometimes the situation is so fucked i kinda have to sacrifice someone for an objective

[radiant frigate]

"sometimes the situation is so fucked" sounds like an accurate summary of xcom

[upper sun]

i swear xcom2 and xcom 1 werent this hard on release

[marble crater]

Sounds like a skill issue, just hit that 40% shot, smh

[upper sun]

tbh

i think my first mistake was not culling off the top 4 recruits with the lowest aim

[brazen rampart]

You aren't falling back enough then.

You may also be promoting people to the wrong class.

[radiant frigate]

imagine not maxing aim

[brazen rampart]

Low aim people get to be specialists or heavies (whatever vanilla calls the guys with cannons).

High aim gets to be sharpshooters.

High mobility gets to be rangers.

So on and so forth.

Train your rookies accordingly when you can and your roster will be much stronger.

[dull scroll]

optimizing base building is a real pain in that game iirc

[brazen rampart]

Not really.

[marble crater]

Only at the start, after you have the first 3 important buildings it's kind of whatever

[brazen rampart]

Shadow chamber and science lab go on power coils, workshops go in the center 2 sections.

The other center section goes to your proving ground.

[marble crater]

Counter point, don't build workshops at all

[brazen rampart]

True, engineers are pretty common.

I only build workshops in lwotc because you have to staff engineers in liberated sectors.

[marble crater]

And I put the resistance contact thing on one of the coils, because I'm not going to use psy ops

[brazen rampart]

Shadow chamber isn't just for psionics.

And also, psionics are super fucking broken.

Fortress alone is worth its weight in gold.

[upper sun]

i let the game do it automatically

[brazen rampart]

Yeah, don't do that.

[upper sun]

doesnt it check for the highest stat before?

[brazen rampart]

No, it's entirely random.

[upper sun]

WHAT

[brazen rampart]

Your high aim person perfect for a sharpshooter could be promoted to a heavy.

[upper sun]

WHAT

[brazen rampart]

This is why you manually train recruits.

[upper sun]

SO I HAVE TO USE THE SLOP ROOM OF CLASS PROMOTIONS

[brazen rampart]

Yeah.

[upper sun]

😭

[marble crater]

I never do that either, it's fine

[brazen rampart]

It has other functions, though, so it's not entirely wasted.

[dull scroll]

there's a mod that let's go change everything

[brazen rampart]

Iirc you need that room for bonds.

[dull scroll]

in case of mistakes or whatnot

[brazen rampart]

"I'm the commander here" on the workshop.

[upper sun]

i have it on gog

i can only use nexus mods

[brazen rampart]

Go into config, set the possible choices to 4 (assuming vanilla count of classes), then boom, random promotions are fine because you can get any class from random promotions.

[brazen rampart]

Nexus likely has it then.

[upper sun]

nexus doesnt even have dontwastemytime wotc

[marble crater]

Cheaters

[dull scroll]

shush u

[upper sun]

this is the most important mod

https://www.nexusmods.com/xcom/mods/829

legit unplayable without it

[brazen rampart]

Kid named escape button:

Kid named startup config:

[upper sun]

no this is better

[brazen rampart]

I type "-nomovies" into my steam launch options and boom, I do what that mod does without needing it.

:)

[upper sun]

smh frog doesnt know about the nuclear option....

[marble crater]

Oh Enemy Unknown? I only played Xcom 2

[brazen rampart]

Also ew enemy unknown.

[upper sun]

i replaced the videos with zero second long black screens because i hate intros that much

[brazen rampart]

Not even enemy within.

Enemy within is so much better, that game is straight up unplayable without it.

[upper sun]

copypasted the wrong link but you get the idea

the canon ending for enemy unknown is you losing

[brazen rampart]

I know.

[upper sun]

ye im telling sut

[brazen rampart]

It's actually that you lose the base defense mission.

Then you are captured and put into war simulations.

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/nah-i'd-win-gif-7220010602787901432

[upper sun]

smh they want us for our big human brains

[brazen rampart]

The commander was used as a living computer to coordinate the Ethereal's war efforts.

[upper sun]

no u lost i lost we all lost

[marble crater]

Can't lose if I never played it, smh

[dull scroll]

there's probably a mod for that also 👍

[brazen rampart]

The reason for this is that the ethereals lost basically every engagement against xcom forces until they found xcoms base.

[upper sun]

🚬

[brazen rampart]

Also I'm mad as fuck we didn't meet Vahlen as an xcom2 dlc.

We know she is still alive.

[upper sun]

ikr

she was the best

her and shens? dad were the best

[deft stump]

Clad, Kickback? Flak and maniac, right?

[brazen rampart]

I want my quirky German scientist lady back. :(

[marble crater]

She gave my ranger and sniper new armor, she is truly the best

[upper sun]

ye

[upper sun]

"quirky"
oopsie i accidentally unleashed a triple hp bar snake at u

haha xddd so random

[brazen rampart]

Old man Shen was truly the goat, ride or die until he kicked the bucket.

[upper sun]

even after

[deft stump]

Okay. Was making some nightmare out of boredom.

[brazen rampart]

"The commander will return" as he puts his head down to get the Avenger running.

[brazen rampart]

Pbb kickback carapace elites surgical full bore.

[marble crater]

Imagine he says that but doesn't know that the commander is an xcom noob and loses the turotial mission

[upper sun]

i wish warhammer games did the xcom style of dashes/AP points for combat

[deft stump]

Nu, Bullrush blonk.

[upper sun]

you cant lose the tutorial mission its super scripted

[brazen rampart]

I want a bureau setting game for xcom.

Like I know the bureau is xcom.

[marble crater]

Watch me

[brazen rampart]

But like.

Turn based.

[deft stump]

With bully club or slab.

[shy pewter]

My Psyker was trippin balls last match

LSD Dome

[upper sun]

slab dont bother with bullyclub until the update is out

this dude has to reinstall 😭

[deft stump]

But bully club slap funni.

[upper sun]

its REALLY bad

dont really bother with anything except shield/pickaxe/kickback/stubber

after the update tho things should be better(paul is still shit)

[deft stump]

I tried, too slow. Even bully club feels better.

No funni slap either.

[upper sun]

use club3 at least

[deft stump]

I mean, isn't that the default?

[upper sun]

i have no idea

the one that you swing diagonally is the best i think its red?

yeah 3b

[deft stump]

3b yep.

[upper sun]

yeah that one is workable

club 1 is the worst weapon in the entire game

HEAVY QQ HEAVY QQ

HEAVY QQ

[deft stump]

Someone told me to try it.

I just light spam out of annoyance.

[upper sun]

😭

nooooo

stop using lights

[marble crater]

Yes, lights out best modifier

[deft stump]

Never. Even slab lights is funni blonk.

[upper sun]

ur doing no damage

pls do heavy attacks

[deft stump]

Nu. Things still fly.

[upper sun]

😭

you should heavy attack NOW

[radiant frigate]

is it sweepy h1 bonk h2

[marble crater]

Now I understand why Karien said Ogryn deals no damage

[deft stump]

Only kickback bonk.

[radiant frigate]

psyker also deals no damage with no peril and dclaw

[dull scroll]

you also don't get toughness back from those 2 talents, that class really hate lights

[radiant frigate]

this is why the pickaxes are so incomprehensible to me

other than karsolas

[deft stump]

The class weapons be like that to me in general.

[dull scroll]

the axes are op, especially the special

[radiant frigate]

"here, varied moveset"
"ok but this class only wants to use heavies"

[dull scroll]

but then again I only ever tried karsolas

[analog agate]

Well, they are changing the heavy thing. What a bad decision they were trying to go in with it

[deft stump]

So light spam soontm.

With bully 3b.

[marble crater]

It will still be worse then heavies, don't do it

[long wharf]

I'm very unhappy with the upcoming nerfing to gunlugger

gunlugger will no longer be for boss killing

[brazen rampart]

Didn't they only nerf fire bullets again?

[upper sun]

no its the H1 bonk(zero cleave, some damage) H2slash(some cleave no damage)

[analog agate]

Yeah, I think stack limit

[upper sun]

ogryn shouldnt be able to delete bosses in 3 seconds in range with zero weakspot hits

[brazen rampart]

Yeah then that's fine.

There's literally nothing wrong with that nerf, it was straight up too strong.

[marble crater]

Didn't they also get something else to compensate for it?

[long wharf]

do you also argue that a zealot shouldn't be able to one-shot bosses?

[brazen rampart]

Yes.

Bosses should not be able to be trivialized in any way.

[upper sun]

at the very least zealot has to get into melee range and landweakspot hits to do it

ogryn just needs to shoot somewhere

[brazen rampart]

And to oneshot bosses that aren't weakened you have to do a horrendous thammer shroud martyr setup.

[dull scroll]

currently zealots can just empty a tank of flammer into a boss and that's 50% hp

[brazen rampart]

That's an issue with fire damage scaling.

[dull scroll]

also deleting everything else in the proximity

[brazen rampart]

Which ogryn was capable of as well.

[upper sun]

also not doable on my beloved ironhelm... 😭

[brazen rampart]

Except ogryn could kill the boss outright with one stubber mag.

[long wharf]

nowhere near it

[brazen rampart]

Yes lmao you are just flat wrong.

Fire bullets pbb could delete bosses easily.

Especially weakened ones.

[upper sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1290260839621988434/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.09.30_-_12.08.10.01-00.03.02.571-00.03.22.001.mp4?ex=67d8a3cc&is=67d7524c&hm=48ccc4269e77a906fddaa5ece0e6bca69d9a3c0880c325681f0e805c66f29e0d&

[brazen rampart]

Fire damage scaling to max stacks without any external sources + your gun actually does damage.

[long wharf]

I was referring to the crowds comparison

[brazen rampart]

Yeah, ogryn could still do that.

Gorgonum twin linked has cleave out the ass.

Especially with overwhelming fire.

[long wharf]

sure, that's what it's for

[brazen rampart]

Fire bullets pbb was flamer from any distance.

[long wharf]

and the Achlys is for burning down bosses

[brazen rampart]

Gorgonum could still burn down bosses just fine.

Again, fire damage scaling doesn't care what you're applying stacks with.

You're still gonna 1mag it with either stubber, achlys was just faster at it.

[long wharf]

you aren't 1-magging anything on heresy

[dull scroll]

that's the one saving grace of that build

[brazen rampart]

You can 1mag on damnation, wtf are you on about?

[upper sun]

im pretty sure you can

[dull scroll]

it's 1 mag, if on fire ult

the burn finishes it

[upper sun]

i dont think you fully realize how broken PBB is after the first change

[brazen rampart]

@long wharf this is a damnation dh and Clad only stimmed the guy after the dh lost a third of its hp.

Fire bullets pbb is fucking broken in live rn.

If you wanna argue that then you are crazy.

I would also like to bring this to your attention, BLO is getting a huge buff.

[upper sun]

if theres a semi useful gunlugger on the team everyone else is reduced to pinging them ammo

[long wharf]

I don't think they're broken right now, it was definitely stronger on talent tree release day

[brazen rampart]

So your gun will be what does the damage, not fire stacks.

[upper sun]

no ult should use the global max dot stacks anyways

[dull scroll]

if ammo isn't an issue gunlungger might be the strongest build ever, the way how fast the ult comes up with lucky and cd on elites is also insane

but the ammo

even in auric

much less havoc

[brazen rampart]

Glugger is going to be absolutely insane with the update.

[analog agate]

I’m excited to see what ogryn will be like. I like pickaxes and GG.

[upper sun]

im most hype for heavy hitter to be a real keystone

[upper galleon]

low ammo weapons get benefit with the guaranteed lucky bullet procs after X melee kills

[wooden sand]

Ogryn will be strongest

[upper galleon]

going to be like weapon spec but the ammo just appears from nowhere

higher ammo weapons, are going to be ammo hogs but i think that's fine

[tender yew]

What’re some good weapons for Gunker?

[marble crater]

Recon las, Vraks

[neat orchid]

Crusher tips. what's the dump stat, blessings and perks.

[paper dust]

whats the go to perk for zealot bolter again?

[upper galleon]

dump defenses, get skullcrusher and slaughterer

[upper galleon]

unyielding carapace with puncture shattering

[paper dust]

peak or bleak?

[upper galleon]

peak

less collat means chaining heads= easier

[weary idol]

recon las is a bit of a noob trap the infantry lasguns are almost directly better than them on psyker

Gunker doesn't have the ammo sustain or raw crit chance that makes it a good gun on vet

IIb infantry las or laspistol are usually better

Vraks infantry auto has insane dps and a ton of ammo

Double barrel has comically high damage and good horde clear

Zarona combat shotgun has very good boss/ogryn damage, and solid horde clear as well

[copper jay]

What are the best rolls stats for voidblast staff ?

[native kite]

So been out for last 6 or 8 months. anyone willing to do a crashcourse dummy class to catch me up.

[verbal thistle]

warp res lowest

[paper dust]

yeah sure

[copper jay]

40/60 warp resist is already too much ?

[paper dust]

we got a new large fuckoff sword

[verbal thistle]

80 every stat, warp res 60

[paper dust]

i got mine at 24

sadly it wasnt any lower

[copper jay]

But 60 is the max for WR

[paper dust]

50 generation each special

[solemn wave]

psykers when they need to make someone's head explode

[verbal thistle]

80 is the max number for every stat, but you want warp res 60

[strong gulch]

For voidblast, do 60 WR.

[paper dust]

ah but you see

[copper jay]

warp res 60 is not too much ?

[paper dust]

i am a gambler

[strong gulch]

VB generate a lot of peril, so lower is not needed to shriek max.

[copper jay]

Thanks ! You saved my gold

What staves are REALLY needed to have lower wr ?

[paper dust]

gonna change maniac too carapace

[analog agate]

You still want WR as high as you can (60). The staff still wants WR. It isn’t inferno

[copper jay]

So only inferno need a really low WR ?

[analog agate]

Doesn’t need low WR but is a slight benefit if you have it

[strong gulch]

None really. Put all staves, except voidstrike, at 60 WR. The option then become choosing ER or not.

ER is great with EK and VB.

[native kite]

not letting me send the screens. i can pop into one ofhte strike channels and stream.

[copper jay]

Why voidstrike ? The area of damage is not the dump stat of this one ?

[strong gulch]

Inferno is the only one that can really get away with below 60 RW and not peril gen mitigation from the talent tree.

But even then you're getting into meme territory.

[paper dust]

we could always do a match

the best way to pratice

is live rounds

[strong gulch]

VoidSTRIKE dumps blast radius.

VoidBLAST dumps warp resistence.

[paper dust]

now explode

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[native kite]

ive been doing a couple of Heresy Matches,
using Voidstrike staff and Greatsword.
Most of the vods i could find are 5-6 months old for vet trees.

[paper dust]

ah

[strong gulch]

Keep chatting and you'll get red name. Then you can post pic.

[paper dust]

greatsword make melee soyker viable now

insanely scary

[copper jay]

Thanks !

[native kite]

I have been really enjoying the Greatsword.

[prime elk]

it was viable even before lol

psykers just hate using their primary weapon

[paper dust]

well ness

i dont like switching weapon

imo

[strong gulch]

In case it's needed or wanted, here's the meta tree for voidstrike.

[prime elk]

don't ever play vet

[paper dust]

vet has a gimmick

i am ok with switching weapon for vet

other then that

i only have 2 vet playstyle

the recon lasy

and db shovel

[zinc phoenix]

Needed staff: voidSPANK

[native kite]

Is voidstrike a good pair for the Greatsword?
I saw some things about the Voidblast being ok now, and I have an ok Inferno staff.

[zinc phoenix]

Creates a giant ethereal hand used for spanking enemies

Critical hits become very interesting

[paper dust]

everything is a good pair with greatsword

[native kite]

far as i can see both Strike and Gsword are good ok for Carapace, but i dont see Strike doing well with crits.

[paper dust]

i go for recon and greatsword myseld

[strong gulch]

Voidblast/ trauma has been good for a long time. Right after launch it wasn't tho.

Also yes, FGS (force great sword) is great with voidstrike.

to be fair, FGS can do everything really well and thus can pair with everything

[paper dust]

fgs is great for staggering disabler

i just spam special to keep my warp at max

peak gameplay

[strong gulch]

Voidstrike is prone to getting surrounded, so having a melee that can handle hordes is good.

[native kite]

this what i've atm for voidstrike.

[paper dust]

whats go to for inferno staff again?

[prime elk]

nexus/blaze

uhhh idr perks

[strong gulch]

flak + unyielding / crit chance

maniac also works as second perk for inferno but is ehhhh

[copper jay]

Just did my first game with Duellist Sword

Yes this is busted

[native kite]

so im curious why Perilous Combustion and Creeping flames. their ticks are only around 10. I'd get if i was using Inferno.

[copper jay]

way more busted than FGS

[strong gulch]

As SB (souldblaze) stacks, its damage exponentially grows (until like high 20s).

Staff can maintain 15 stacks of SB. If the last application is a crit, you can get up to 16 stacks because crits apply 2 SB stacks.

The global SB cap is 31. PC and creeping flames are only limited by the global limit.

Creeping Flame/ shriek also has longer range than inferno.

Edit: This advice was given for inferno and not voidstrike. The inferno talk right above just got stuck in my head. Sorry about that.

[strong gulch]

For single target, ye. DS4 is king.

[copper jay]

But just doing masteries. I'll come back to Deimos soon. I'm not a traitor

[copper jay]

Playing with DS4 this is better to do a Max Height character ?

[strong gulch]

Yeah. It's easier to hit heads in melee with a taller character.

If you change your height tho, your other aiming might be fecked until you adjust. Like voidstrike aiming

[native kite]

@strong gulch

I see ok crits on current Staff. but i do have one that drops Res instead of Quell. figured Quell is still decent dump since the 30% perk

[copper jay]

What is your preference for the height? When I begon the game people were saying smaller is good for Psyker because too fragile and easier to avoid bullets

[strong gulch]

Oh fork. I gave previous advice, here #psyker-class message, for inferno and not voidstrike. Sorry about the.

PC and creeping flames still add up. Creeping flames at 85% or higher peril can clear a trash horde including smaller shooters, doesn't interrupt your cast, and has CC utility.

Solidity will help, but dumping quell speed is not advised. Larger blast radius make it harder to hit heads on voidstrike.

Materials allowing, you should aim for Flak + crit chance and surge + nexus with blast radius dumped.

[strong gulch]

I just do medium height. No other reason than it's consistent between characters and I like the way my character looks at medium height.

[copper jay]

Thanks !

I read the devs will nerf DS4 (but not soon) we know what nerfs will be ?

[analog agate]

We don’t even know if nerfs are happening

We know they are aware and open

[strong gulch]

No clue. I haven't paid attention. I was gonna let the other nerds read the notes and tell me.

It'd be weird if they just didn't let the sword work with some talents. Idk what they'd do tbh.

[paper dust]

dump stat?

is it warp resist?

like for all warp weapon?

[analog agate]

https://tenor.com/view/yarp-hot-fuzz-gif-12386003

[buoyant maple]

Which dev said that

[patent mango]

werent they just looking at ds feedback

[copper jay]

Maybe I misunderstood !

[analog agate]

That is what we’ve got

[patent mango]

ds nerfs someday 🙏 maybe 🙏 hopefully

[weary idol]

dueling sword more like dying sword

because it should be killed

[patent mango]

with hatchets

[sacred crane]

has the penetration skill been fixed for psyker

[brazen rampart]

No.

[prime elk]

that's crazy. they genuinely didn't know?

[night garnet]

what do you guys like for dueling sword perks/blessings

[analog agate]

They should have just let it stay a psyker only weapon if they were planning on keeping it as is

[native kite]

is there any way to make Smite work?

[verbal thistle]

Define work

[raven mountain]

Depends on what I'm using it for. Agile if the weapon is mostly a mobility stick. Uncanny if I'm doing shriek or something and will be hitting horde.

Crit on dodge feels nice. Precog is alright, but 2s feels really short. Wish there was something more than just the buff icon to help me feel it.

Thrust is lower dps, but I guess you can use it if you're barely using the weapon and do those weapon swap slides to charge before the first hit.

I'm not sure if it affects any breakpoints, but I would imagine a combination of flak, Cara, unyielding.

Maybe elite might help with a specific breakpoint? But probably not crit chance, and definitely not weak spot, stamina, or crit damage.

I've been playing around with the ds5 for shits and giggles. I kinda wish their damages were swapped. It's a bit slower on the heavy, and that might help it feel more balanced. Slower to hit, more dodge, even worse cleave.

[analog agate]

EP smite with venting shriek. Shout at 86 peril

[weary idol]

just take EP and crit warp damage

It's basically a worse inferno staff that stuns things

It also generates more peril than inferno staff

[raven mountain]

It's fine enough to play. But I kinda dislike smite. I'd rather be smacking stuff or shooting than having unlimited power.

[fiery stratus]

The right attitude with smite

[raven mountain]

It's really hard to use it in a way that feels good to me. Like holding it too long just has crap spread out that you have to chase down. And it's kinda stupid to bother locking down a couple of random enemies.

It's pretty much quick charge to 86, omg surprise train jumpscare, and super situational "I don't think they got this"

And of course, my favorite, "I need an adult!"

[native kite]

well i rarely end up using Brain Burst, as Voidstrike staff tends to be good enough, and the Shards are kinda meh for me.
I mostly am running around with the Greatsword now, and saw that i could add a 10% dmg buff using perks from Smite

[raven mountain]

You can add free damage for just hitting things by using Kinetic Flayer.

The smite damage boost is for everyone else.

The heavy attack shock has a really long delay for thicker enemies, and it only lasts for a second or two. Like a crusher or whatever.

And by the time you've heavy attacked something twice, it's likely dead or about to be.

Run it if you like, it's fun, but it really isn't just making you do a bunch more.

Same problem with blazing spirit, soulblaze on crit. Unless it's a monster, by the time you've crit it twice, it's already probably dead.

[native kite]

Yeah, started up again yesterday after a hot minute,
and immediately saw the
Perilous Comubstion
Wildfire
Souldrinker

and thought that i could get away with just throwing the Crit and Soulblaze on Crit with the GS and i'd be sitting good...it did not work at all.

[leaden geode]

No, but melee psyker with greatsword and soulblaze does work, at least in aurics

You build peril fast with the wave attack, so spam it to get 100 peril then vent purge blaze on everything

[raven mountain]

You might be able to do a little soulblaze with that stuff on a regular force sword, but blazing spirit is pretty eh.

And yeah, fgs only stacks to 6 instead of 12 (16? Idr), and when you crit with that, shit's mostly dead.

It wouldn't even be that good at 2-3 stacks on hit without the conditional.

[magic kayak]

so pus hardened... I know electro staff isn't strong against it, what's recommended? voidblast or inferno, etc?

[weary idol]

inferno almost completely ignores it

which is one of many reasons it's the obvious best havoc staff

[analog agate]

Both staves ignore pus hardened

[magic kayak]

oh nice

I've always liked inferno staff anyways

[wispy bay]

I'm getting crazy, my newest meme, 80% blast VStrike with Blazing Spirit and Surge on Gaze build.

[deft stump]

Wot.

[strong gulch]

bistol, knife, smite, CDR, SG, WC (warp charges)

rando build for you

[raven mountain]

Actually... that could go hard.

[wispy bay]

Turn on Gaze and now you have double fireball that also deals 8 stacks of SB, if it hit an elite/special, boom 12 stacks.

[raven mountain]

I actually did VBlast with knife (and I tried ds5) DD, and I only used voidblast when I had the assured crit, so I could do rending and soulblaze. Peak.

[deft stump]

That's the Strike, not Blast.

[raven mountain]

Yeah, you did strike, I did blast.

[wispy bay]

I do the bowling staff.

[raven mountain]

But instead of spamming blast like everyone does, I just did the single assured crit.

[deft stump]

He did, but still.

[deft stump]

Which is just funni.

[wispy bay]

I have 3 different Vstrike staves for 3 things.

[raven mountain]

Take your funny peril build and do that.

[deft stump]

What do you mean I don't? It's just EK means i don't have to aim.

[raven mountain]

Just swap it over to scrier's and hold down the pew button

with allllll the peril reduction

[deft stump]

And projectile weapons sucks more with 300 ping.

[wispy bay]

I think Vstrike has the most variety of build, even if it is not as strong as the rest.

Inferno is so 1 trick, boring.

[raven mountain]

See, I want surge, warp flurry, and warp nexus.

[strong gulch]

Classic Arco build.

[deft stump]

Nu, rejected. Also, I did that for penance.

So I keep edging forever and blasting between quells.

Was a terrible idea to do SG staff but well, yeah.

Can't quell while aiming, can't blast while quelling.

[raven mountain]

Gotta get the forced priority mod.

[deft stump]

I play on controller.

You either press X or you turn/aim.

[raven mountain]

the ones that force certain actions if you push the button or let you buffer.

We talked about this part.

Claw

Live. Love.

[deft stump]

Rejected. uncomfortable as heck.

Unless i'm being paid for it, I rather enjoy games.

[raven mountain]

Sorry, all I can afford is sarcasm.

[deft stump]

Go ahead. Not like I'm not used to people mocking.

[raven mountain]

No, I'm just super optimistic that things can work despite the ping!

[deft stump]

Feel free to try it. but you'll probably hate the delay for your shots.

Hitscans are already iffy to land, projectiles are worse.

[raven mountain]

Best I can do is South Africa at 250

Is that enough?

[plucky flax]

Who dares flame you?

[deft stump]

That's still lower than the usual I play with, but I guess.

[raven mountain]

Whooo. Bots cannot function at all.

1 bot in a team doesn't feel bad. But 3 bots in a team is sad.

[deft stump]

This is basically why I usually just deal with the lag.

SEA is dead when I play.

[deft stump]

It's my life. I rather just be useless tbh. At least it makes no diff.

[plucky flax]

[deft stump]

Why try when trying is worse than outright being bad.

[raven mountain]

Hey, I almost killed a chaos spawn with only 1 bot. I'm not sure I could do that even on normal ping. xD

[deft stump]

I mean, between BoN and CSpawn, IDK which is more of a run ruiner if you are forced to solo.

[verbal thistle]

Depends on build

I think if you have a capable ranged Bon is a lesser threat

Cspawn also has a non conditional grab

Which makes it more of a threat since it'll try to grab you more often

(unless you like bathing in BoN goo)

[tiny river]

BoN cause vomit

[raven mountain]

Honestly, with a real group, I could play this.

But these bots can't even push a single burster.

[verbal thistle]

Beasts ara always a lesser threat thinking about it now

They are very easy to read

[raven mountain]

and they're all 3 dying to a single mauler

[deft stump]

I mean, why do you think I play with more than that lag somewhat... okay?

[verbal thistle]

And aren't a threat until you are cornered

[tiny river]

But he takes way less dmg if you’re solo cause hes almost always facing you

[raven mountain]

We can play in your region, I'd be down.

[deft stump]

Just not on Oggy, Oggy is a nightmare and I have no idea why I even bother.

[verbal thistle]

Depends on build

[raven mountain]

Somewhat less than you'd think since mouth is also a weakpoint.

[verbal thistle]

But I see your point

[tiny river]

Speaking as an Ogryn main

[raven mountain]

Can't abuse the good weakpoint, but still.

[formal harness]

Cspawn is always harder if with mixed elites

Beast is only harder if you have a boss nuking build to kill cspawn’s easy hp pool

[tiny river]

All it takes is one dog or trapper for the burgle to tank damage and one misdodge for an ended run

[deft stump]

Don't count. You go from Knoife to that. Just. Even relic dodges feel better. .-.

[formal harness]

Beast is more dangerous in corridors as well

[plucky flax]

I like getting hugged by cs and swallowed by bonbon.

[formal harness]

Tight corridors

[plucky flax]

[tiny river]

Clandestium Gloriana first corridor after the drop

[verbal thistle]

Majority of my solo runs are ruined by something comboed with the boss (trapper/bulwark bash)

[tiny river]

“Spawn 10 bulwarks with 5 trappers in the middle, that will teach them about trying to play the game”

[deft stump]

Gloriana in general with 2 BoN.

[verbal thistle]

In that case cspawn makes that happen more often because of its relentless combo

The thing is with Gloriana and BoN

[tiny river]

Wdym

[verbal thistle]

Doors.

[tiny river]

the almighty 🚪

[deft stump]

Oggy feels bad to play. Also dook dodges.

[raven mountain]

But shield bash good

bonk, bonk, bonk, bonk.

[tiny river]

I like playing him

[deft stump]

I can't even slide spam to get close to a gunner.

[tiny river]

Big boy with big shield saving runs

[tiny river]

me when the 10 foot 600 pound abhuman doesn’t play like a Zealot

[raven mountain]

They gonna let you charge gunners

[deft stump]

At that point i just fury if relic.

[raven mountain]

new ogryn will actually be pogryn.

[verbal thistle]

Ogryn does play like zel

[formal harness]

This is one of the reasons I had modt success with rumbler on ogryn

In solo havoc

40

Because if you are cornered by that

[verbal thistle]

For the win

[tiny river]

Sometimes

[verbal thistle]

Hate bulwarks

[tiny river]

For the emprah bull rushes into 20 gunners

[formal harness]

You are still doing good boss damage and stsggering all the pesky mixed enemies

Rumbler is still a decent boss dmg dealer

Not as good but good

[tiny river]

I like Ogryn cause he has almost the best cc in the game

[verbal thistle]

Smite.

[formal harness]

I am waiting for rumbler buffs ngl

[verbal thistle]

No

Oh wait you said almost

Yeah

[plucky flax]

I still prefer deimos over obscurus

[ornate hamlet]

#darktide-driptide message

[verbal thistle]

Been using the obscurus in my solo and havoc

[formal harness]

While obscurus is faster in elite clearing I agree

[verbal thistle]

It's been growing on me

[formal harness]

Deimos having light r cancel is insanely powerful

[deft stump]

Oh right... @plucky flax Carry my weekly H40 plox.

[formal harness]

If you can do that fast enough it turns into chaotic good barbarian stabbing my blade guy 1 million times with a toothpick

https://youtu.be/q-43l_paCtw?si=HBMJ-x8ao3tnFutv