psyker-class

[upper sun]

a mythical figure

he exists in the warp

[plucky flax]

Any duo or trio (cos bad) silo cluster?

[summer prairie]

going to gym soon

[analog agate]

If only I wasn’t at work

[plucky flax]

Gym in the evening

[summer prairie]

i ran earlier

[marble crater]

Sorry, I don't play with cheaters

[plucky flax]

Too lazy for that

I gym during work

[plucky flax]

Stop antagonising people

[jovial juniper]

Sorry
Storming like crazy rn
Ping bad

[summer prairie]

Everyone has excuses to
dodge Silo

[jovial juniper]

I don't

Silo is peak

It's just storming like crazy rn

[nocturne dust]

I would play but I'm not at my computer 😭

[nocturne dust]

Tzeentch messing with your ping

[plucky flax]

Disco elysium it is

[marble crater]

Disco Elysium sounds like a better choice than Silo Cluster anyway. I have heard nobody complain about Disco Elysium yet

[ripe obsidian]

Quell cancel is dead. Oh no. I will have to learn how to play the game instead of spamming LMB into rager hordes. D:

[analog agate]

Strawman incoming

[marble crater]

Don't think quell cancel will be dead, just less effective.
As someone who never bothered to learn it, because console, I don't care either way

[patent mango]

ogryn will get 20% str then 120% cleave

all with good uptime lol

[ripe obsidian]

I have weak hands. I used a quell cancel macro.

[plucky flax]

I'd rank it above bg3 even.

[nocturne dust]

If it forces you to the first quell tick, most definitely dead.

...Swap cancelling on the other ha-

https://tenor.com/view/hahahaha-gif-27342590

[marble crater]

You have weak hands because of the macro you can still use a macro anyway, just need to adjust the times

[marble crater]

Didn't play BG3 yet, so I can't support or not support that opinion

[weary crane]

It's only a little bit faster

No point really

On lmb at least

[nocturne dust]

I have weak hands.

Don't use cancelling tho

Well, not intentionally/spammily

[nocturne dust]

Extra damage is extra damage

https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175

[plucky flax]

It's really good game man probably the most popular game of 2023 how did you not play it?

[analog agate]

Yep. It would be impossible to stop swap canceling. So there is that. This just means VB staff will be worse for the majority of people

[marble crater]

Because I still have a backlog of other games I need to play, and since they are all single player games I don't mind waiting for discounts

[plucky flax]

I highly recommend it even if you're not into crpg. It's a lot more accessiable than disco elysium.

Disco elysium is like high art.

[analog agate]

I got to the third act of bg3 and stopped at release. Will replay it with my wife when crossplay comes out soon

[marble crater]

I'm not rich

[clear heath]

disco elysium is peak

[patent mango]

didnt armored core 6 come in 2023

that was soooo good

[summer prairie]

Disco Elysium is very good but very visual novelish

[marble crater]

I loved Divinity, so I know what I'm getting into with BG3

[vernal blaze]

whats enhanced blitz do to psyker blitzes again

just -peril?

[plucky flax]

Yeah I would like their next game to be divinity 3. I prefer the combat and elementals combo in it over bg3.

[summer prairie]

I think they said it won't be

[plucky flax]

Also I prefer the narrator of dos2 over bg3.

[summer prairie]

Something new

[plucky flax]

Something new is nice too.

Maybe GW gave them fantasy license.

"Please win us all the GOTY awards and print us money."

"Also you must start charging for skins now."

[nocturne dust]

I haven't played it either

I'm waiting for sale

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-patrick-star-broke-poor-gif-14729256

[plucky flax]

Larian is one of the studio actually deserve your money.

Damn all time low was only -10

[shadow quail]

Yeah that game has kept its value lol

[plucky flax]

It was on sale in feb.

[shadow quail]

usually after a year you can get the games super cheap on key sites

[plucky flax]

Yeah I buy most games from cdkeys.

I know it's unethical but man is broke.

[shadow quail]

They sell the keys to cd keys lol

[plucky flax]

BG3 though was one of the few game I bought early access for.

[prime elk]

gonna be real, it's more ethical to pirate than buy keys from a key fence lol

not that i care about it either way

i'm cheap af

[shadow quail]

I don't think so

[prime elk]

?

[shadow quail]

If you are buying from a key site the company is still getting money

[prime elk]

...

do you know how key fences work

[shadow quail]

Yes I do

[prime elk]

the company isn't getting a dime lmfao

if you buy it from a reseller, that's a different story

[summer prairie]

most keys are bought from cheaper regions, not stolen keys

[shadow quail]

How do you think the key is generated

[summer prairie]

so they still got some money for them

[prime elk]

depending on where you get them from, they're often stolen keys

[shadow quail]

CDkeys isn't a marketplace

[prime elk]

cdkeys is still a key fence

[shadow quail]

Yes and they buy keys in bulk in sales or from other regions

The company is still getting revenue

[prime elk]

... or they're using stolen keys.

[shadow quail]

They've never even once been accused of it, let alone it been proven.

[summer prairie]

you can't have stolen keys in that kind of volume

[prime elk]

and neither has it been proven that they're "just" taking advantage of regionally priced keys lol

[wispy bay]

Why are people sad about quell cancelling when it is pretty much cheating when you use mod to do it?

[shadow quail]

It hasn't happened.

[weary idol]

because when they do it they're totally just doing it by hand and that makes it okay

when they do it it's fine

[prime elk]

you know this because you work there?

[weary idol]

so they choose to completely disregard the bad actors

[shadow quail]

There is no reports of it, they have a very good reputation.

[analog agate]

What do you mean by “people” I guarantee the majority aren’t the lmb spammers. It will tank VB staff

Well, I guess “where”

Cause who knows. Reddit could be a whole bunch of lmb spammers

But here it isn’t

[prime elk]

cdkeys is probably "more" legit than XxKeySeller69xX on certain other sites, but there is no reason to think the company is getting even a fraction of the game's asking price for the key

[wispy bay]

How does it tank Blast staff?

[prime elk]

nobody without their head stuck in the clouds buys keys from cdkeys thinking "well, i'm still supporting the company!!"

[analog agate]

Cause no more qc rmb

[sturdy reef]

wjhy do I have 3 loner zealots

with me

[shadow quail]

The company is still recieving money, you said piracy is better.

[prime elk]

if the company gets 5 cents and the thieves get a dollar, how is that morally superior to the company and the thief getting nothing lol

the former is just enabling the thief to steal more efficiently going forward

but like i said, i don't care

i'm a cheap mfer

[shadow quail]

The company that makes the games generates these keys to sell them to sites.

[prime elk]

there are sites for that, cdkeys is not one of them

[summer prairie]

baldur's gate 3 is 59.99e on cdkeys by the way, or currently -10% off

[prime elk]

like these guys are legit resellers

[summer prairie]

so where is this 5 cents coming from

[nocturne dust]

A quick google says you're very wrong, lol

Plenty of accusations

[prime elk]

these guys are not legit resellers

god knows where they get their keys from

[weary idol]

there's a reddit thread that says they get their keys from wholesalers in poor countries

with an...interesting flair

[shadow quail]

I've never seen any legitimate claim they sell stolen keys

[prime elk]

there are definitely plenty of complaints of revoked keys from cdkeys

it's a risk you accept from buying from a gray/blackmarket key fence

[shadow quail]

There are the exact same complaints about those legitimate stores.

[prime elk]

lolwut

legit storefronts that got their keys from the devs are a completely different ballgame from key fences

[nocturne dust]

Googling "gamesplanet invalid key" and not seeing any results on the first page that did not rescind their issue, get helped by support, or have a completely different issue (such as having to wait for a key)

[shadow quail]

Try greenman gaming

[nocturne dust]

CDKeys has a page full of complaints never rescinded

[graceful slate]

Okay I did the easy farm for the zealot, time to update my psyker.

I think I did really well last time in aurics with the shards, I wonder how they perform now

[prime elk]

you'll note that controversies involving GMG are more over whether it is an authorized retailer, in comparison to sites that you simply know aren't authorized retailers lol

[marble crater]

Stolen credit cards

[nocturne dust]

The first 2 complaints are rescinded for GMG

[plucky flax]

Just remember I am on paid leave for 3 weeks now. Back to work 1st of April.

[nocturne dust]

First 3*

I'm not going to bother checking more

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, so, as you can see by simple examination

[nocturne dust]

Which is why I'll wait.

[plucky flax]

🙏

[nocturne dust]

That's the beauty of singleplayer games, the only thing age does to them is give more time for modders

[summer prairie]

I think I paid like 25e for Original Sin 2 when it was Kickstarted, good deal

[loud girder]

u hardly need mods for BG3 anyway

devs updated it with so much shit you kinda have to experience it vanilla or as close to vanilla as possible first

[nocturne dust]

That's generally my gameplan for a game

Play it without mods, and then forget what vanilla is second time through

[graceful slate]

I think it looks good. Just need to farm the masteries to level up the stats and boom

[prime elk]

warp res dump tho...

[marble crater]

It's good, ideally you would want warp res at 60, yeah

[graceful slate]

Oh so WR is the dump stat instead of mobility, atypical

[nocturne dust]

Warp res is always dump on any weapon it exists on

except Voidstrike

Voidstrike dumps blast radius like a weirdo

[graceful slate]

I see

[nocturne dust]

Note that Voidblast does not dump blast radius and it's a very important stat for the staff

Thanks for the names, Fatshark

[graceful slate]

[plucky flax]

I only used 'some' sexy mods in bg3.

[prime elk]

cringe

'some' instead of 'all'

[plucky flax]

Tru

Need that korean mmorpg tier 7 bikini armours.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/yee-boy-gif-10218768810105024650

[plucky flax]

[graceful slate]

What particular stat would you want to have on curios with a psyker ?

[cosmic sigil]

I always bring toughness

[cosmic sigil]

Sexy how?

[plucky flax]

Hair and face mods.

[icy flower]

toughness and ability cooldown reduction or whatever it is called. The rest is up to you. I just run block efficiency as 3rd. Saw some people vibe with sprint efficiency and juging by videos it has merit too.

unless you mean main stat. I just run 17% toughness + 17% toughness + 3 stamina

[prime elk]

i usually run 1 hp + 2 toughness, 2x gunner, 1x sniper, 3x dockets, 3x toughness (non-havoc)

[nocturne dust]

main stats are toughness and either stam (for 0 stam weps like dueling sword or knife) or hp, substats are varied depending on usecase, playstyle, and what you're bad at. Just, don't bother with stamina-related substats, as Psykers have Kinetic Deflection.

[dull scroll]

they are all lying, you need 3x wound curio for crystalline

it's the only way to be safe 👍

[analog agate]

⬆️peak

[nocturne dust]

I generally use ability cooldown, toughness, and hp. I would recommend toughness, hp, and toughness regen for newer players (and yes, toughness regen is extremely controversial as a pick)

but toughness regen does help enforce the idea you should stick with your team and pay attention to positioning/aggression while also making it slightly easier for a newer player to take consecutive hits

[vernal blaze]

okay i may be stupid but what do force greatsword charges actually do

+dmg?

or -peril generation

[upper sun]

a lot more damage

[clear heath]

more damage on the special

[prime elk]

1 bar will wipe out trash mobs

2 bars will fuck up human sized elites, or kill them

anything below 1 bar is just for peril edging/stagger

[jovial juniper]

It also goes through wall
So dog saving is real

[sturdy reef]

the real FGS is the obscurus

[copper jay]

Where?

[plucky flax]

Nexusmods. But we were talking about bg3 not this game.

[vernal blaze]

i havent used obscurus in so long that i cant remember what it even was

was it the h1 bot

and only then it was because of the buff a while ago

[marble crater]

Games lantern has the new ogryn tree already

[rancid mauve]

Why use brain burst when you can use gun?

Also why dont tough guys die from brain burst? Are their brain stronger?

[marble crater]

Use KF to use BB while using gun

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/its-free-real-sate-gif-7215175

[upper sun]

fatshark sent them the tree ahead of time

r8

[celest valve]

too many options

brain hurt

[weary crane]

Does it have an option to switch to it?

[plucky flax]

They have bigger brain mass require more popping

[upper sun]

ye

[marble crater]

They have both trees at the moment

[upper sun]

its on there

[weary crane]

Noice

[marble crater]

I will be an ogryn main now

[vernal blaze]

more complex brain structure

but blessed is the mind too small for doubt

[weary crane]

Bro looks like the president from monsters vs aliens

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-vs-aliens-cup-of-joe-dreamworks-president-sipping-coffee-gif-5693892638917554094

How much is the brittleness?

Just says 4 stacks

[jovial juniper]

2.5 each

So 10% brittleness

[weary crane]

Forever?

[jovial juniper]

I don't really know

It usually specifies

[marble crater]

Should be easy to test with mods that show debuffs and the meat grinder

[buoyant maple]

It’s regular brittleness
2.5% per stack, stacks up to 16, lasts 5s

[weary crane]

10% brittlemess for 5s is trash

[marble crater]

Do you only attack once every 5+ seconds?

[weary crane]

Well you could just attack instead of pushing

[jovial juniper]

At the same time it's an Ogryn push

They are good

[buoyant maple]

You can stack it up

And I’m pretty sure it’s to everything you push

Which could be a lot of enemies at once

[weary crane]

I really dislike how the loyal protector modifiers are mutually exclusive

Because the ogryn staggers all the time so cooldown is high, but then you lose the 25% dmg that comes from it

[jovial juniper]

Do people even use that one

[weary crane]

The cooldown one?

[jovial juniper]

The damage one

[weary crane]

25% dmg to all enemies within 12m...

I assume it applies to teammates too?

Yeah

How long does it last

Until the red goes?

[jovial juniper]

Then 15 seconds

Or was it 12

[buoyant maple]

It’s not +%dmg

It’s x1.25 damage taken

[upper sun]

anyone up for a game?

i need to remind myself how bad ogryn is

[weary crane]

Isn't that the same thing?

[north tartan]

No

[weary crane]

[jovial juniper]

Yeah

Inputting your FS code rn

[wispy bay]

They nerf burn stack from 31 to 15... At least put it 20. Burn stack is the whole reason that gunlluger can spray on armored targets and good vs bosses.

[buoyant maple]

No, not remotely close

x%dmg taken is a debuff status

all attacks benefit from it

and it's multiplicative to every other damage bonus

so it ends up scaling way higher

[weary crane]

So whats the more damage taken ?

[buoyant maple]

let's say u have +10% dmg from another source already

u get another +15% dmg

you now have 1(1+10%+15%) = 125% dmg

but if u had x1.15 dmg taken

it'd be (1+10%)x1.15 = 126.5% dmg

however

every source of x%dmg taken is multiplicative

besides 1 special case

so having a bunch of them stacking up results in a bigger number than pure +% dmg stacking

[weary crane]

What if there isnt another source?

[buoyant maple]

refer to the table above

every row is a different multiplicative damage bonus

[clear heath]

oh neat
quell canceling spam fixed

hmm

this is also kinda a qol change for when you want to just quell for 1 tick too

can just tap it if you know you only want 1 tick. No timing needed

assuming they made this actually work properly and it doesn't bug to hell after quell speed modifiers are in place

oh it's just a set amount of time

oh autopistol buff

[north tartan]

Like 10 percent extra damage, least its something

[upper sun]

fatshark ran out of food to cook for the autopistol

they could have just made it akimbo

[jovial juniper]

Gunlugger is finally real

[upper sun]

gunlugger has always been real

and the burncap is deserved

[upper sun]

just finished my game

up for a quickie?

[jovial juniper]

Yeah why not

[jovial juniper]

Nuh uh

Gunlugger should be more than just PBB

Gunlugger tree sucks

No real damage to your weapon

No rate of fire increase

NO accuracy increase

[upper sun]

gunlugger is legit just PBB

[jovial juniper]

That's why I say that Gunlugger isn't real

Ooh 3 ogryns

Lemme lock in

[radiant frigate]

this is so sad alexa play despacito

[marble crater]

People in my games are allergic to med stations today, damn

[lone wing]

i wonder if we could get a poll going of who is upset with quell cancel being removed from the game

[uncut sable]

FINALLY

[analog agate]

Any VB user should be upset. 🤷‍♂️

[marble crater]

You can only be upset, if you used it in the first place

[analog agate]

Ignorance is bliss

[uncut sable]

VB?

[marble crater]

Yeah, but I kind of expect to notice it as well, because I surely have used it once or twice accidentally

[uncut sable]

oh nvm

venting

[analog agate]

No

Voidblast

[uncut sable]

ah

[analog agate]

Blaze voidblast is great because of quell canceling. Voidblast can keep up with inferno on havoc because of quell canceling

[uncut sable]

never liked it tbh, im a professional ceiling inspector

[analog agate]

Outside of the dps loss. The cc loss is also gonna be missed

[clear heath]

i mean, if you're canceling into like an actual, full length quell, it'll probably be fine. This just forces you to stay in quell so you can't spam

[analog agate]

Obviously weapon swapping will be available still. But quell canceling was the more simple way

[weary crane]

It was taboo in the community anyway so it wasnt a significant problem

[clear heath]

It might feel clunky if you accidentally quell and change your mind a lot

0.26 seconds of commitment now

[analog agate]

I’d love to know their logic on not nerfing dueling sword

[weary crane]

Give it parry

[upper sun]

@jovial juniper i go eep

[jovial juniper]

I'm also logging out

GG though

I was not locked in

[patent jacinth]

It’s known there’s more changes than whats been said

It’s still possible

(I am coping)

[analog agate]

Strawhat pretty much confirmed it is untouched

[autumn lark]

This is the first part of the devblog

[upper sun]

its ok vet is just a bad class

[analog agate]

They are “listening”

[upper sun]

u should play the other 3

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/nariukiyo-dj-khaled-gif-23966368

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-homer-simpson-simpsons-worst-day-of-your-life-so-far-bart-gif-11689059539835963602

[clear heath]

watch dueling sword get buffed

[upper sun]

🤓 erm it cant clear very well it should have better clear

[clear heath]

yes

give it 20 cleave

[upper sun]

if it gets nerfed i think deimos should be given a looping heavy2

its only fair

rite?

[jovial juniper]

Also very rare rumbler Gunlugger

[upper sun]

(no one remind fatshark about deimos H2s 900000 stagger)

[upper sun]

ikr

i thought it was a kickback

the start was so fun

it was so bloody and everyone was in a corner dealing with some shit

[wispy bay]

Gauntlet gunlugger is quite awesome.

I think the gauntlet is an underrated orgryn weapon.

[buoyant maple]

would nerf 95%+ players' ability to fight carapace and possibly lead to a review bomb

[jovial juniper]

Real

8 crushers shows up and it's a doom stack

[fading patrol]

If they die so be it

[analog agate]

Weird considering the rashad exists

[buoyant maple]

rashad is not nearly as good as DS against carapace

Rashad takes pretty heavy investment to build for crusher 3 tap (otherwise relies on crit)

DS is easily 2~3 hit kill plus high dC and dCW

plus a stagger attack that comes out much faster

[prime elk]

bunch of cowards smh

also

knowing fatshart, it might genuinely be something they weren't aware of

"wh-what do you mean DS is op??"

[prime elk]

every ult activation is like half your ammo currently

the buffs are very much needed

[clear heath]

they nerf dueling sword and steam reviews will go to mixed again

game dies

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/pirómano-meme-jeje-odio-bomberos-gif-15722930

worth

[sturdy reef]

everyone should be forced to fight a crusher pack with the tac axe

at least once

[prime elk]

that's what i do, would recommend

[buoyant maple]

it's not so bad if u crit 9/10 times

[deft stump]

Nu. I'm using either greatswords at that point.

[sturdy reef]

I'll reserve judgement for patch day

obscurus sweeps crusher packs

why does uncanny exist

[upper galleon]

they know

every tester knows

and would have made fatshark know

the issue is nerfing it without causing a review bomb

"okay how do we nerf this in a way players won't notice it's a nerf"

[prime elk]

they would have to right?

[sturdy reef]

by nerfing uncanny

[prime elk]

surely even fatshart isn't this braindead

[sturdy reef]

and the stagger on the special

ezpz

it would still be strong

[strong gulch]

Yeah I'm worried. I remember them saying other cancels weren't going to be affected, but I guess it was too complicated.

RIP @wet charm

[analog agate]

Rat does weapon swapping like me. So not affected haha

Well, I do it like him

[strong gulch]

Rat does super spam VB RMB cancel

[analog agate]

Ya. But he weapon swaps. Doesn’t quell cancel

[sturdy reef]

yeah he weapon swaps

dunno if its a macro or not

[strong gulch]

Oh. Gotcha. I haven't watch his much. I assumed.

[analog agate]

He doesn’t macro. And you don’t need to macro to do it. I don’t macro. I have them bound to mouse wheel

[strong gulch]

If the quell changes do meaningfully impact VB RMB quell cancel, I'm probably "doomed".

I can't swap cancel.

[analog agate]

Yeah. That is why I was saying it is going to be a big nerf to most VB users

[buoyant maple]

let's nerf VB directly next time

[strong gulch]

Pls buff

[nocturne dust]

As someone who uses trauma in h40, you wrong

Imagine cancelling

[prime elk]

Real men explode

[marble crater]

Quell cancelers in shambles

[verbal thistle]

crystalline exists because we don't need to quell

[strong gulch]

🙋

VB is still good without quell cancel, but it is a meaning full loss without it.

[nocturne dust]

Inferno always wins in damage regardless of cancelling (barring when it gets its soulblaze stolen) anyway. Trauma only wins via stagger, and quell cancelling helps very little in stagger spam since you need a min charge to stagger bigger bois

[analog agate]

I just disagree. VB is so much worse without a form of animation canceling 🤷‍♂️

And no. Animation canceling VB beats out inferno in dmg too

[nocturne dust]

Get a better Inferno player

[analog agate]

I’ll just pull out my experience here and say I have played more than double your time in havocs. I will beat inferno players in dmg

And it is because of animation canceling

[weary crane]

My ball spam outdid my inferno on dmg

Like double

[nocturne dust]

k

[nocturne dust]

Git gud

[verbal thistle]

Pulled numbers out of the magic hat

[nocturne dust]

I will say I have played double Diabolic's time in Havoc since we're allowed to just say whatever

[nocturne dust]

Are you running Blaze Trauma?

[analog agate]

I do blaze if no inferno. I do rending if there is inferno

[weary crane]

Regardless the macro alloaed for stupid damage, i hit 4 million in 50 minutes, and 3 million in 37

[nocturne dust]

I don't see how your damage numbers could possibly be beating a good Inferno player.

[sturdy reef]

I've beaten inferno with voidblast as well with rending

[analog agate]

Cause I can direct kill instead of waiting foe soul blaze

Like I said. Animation canceling allows for much more blasts

[nocturne dust]

I have too, but that doesn't mean anything since I've also beaten Trauma with Inferno 🤷‍♂️

[sturdy reef]

its pretty consistent

for me at least

[nocturne dust]

[weary crane]

If inferno didnt have a stupid cap then it would have a better chanve

But creeping flames and perilous are just better

[sturdy reef]

nah inferno sb stacks should stay capped

[nocturne dust]

Havoc, you should be running bubble probably

[sturdy reef]

yeah even with 1 bubble psyker

2 is better

[nocturne dust]

Funny cuz I can consistently beat everyone else in Havoc for DPS

🤷‍♂️

[weary crane]

No because ball spam allows you to be constantly immune to ranged attacks using EE

That was the dynamic of the build

[sturdy reef]

Same but thats just psyker

[nocturne dust]

Like, I don't see how Voidblast could possibly be giving you more damage than Inferno, because at the end of the day charge time is an issue for VB's damage output moreso than quell cancelling.

[sturdy reef]

Nade vet can outdo psyker though

Just run psword

[nocturne dust]

You can do that with Inferno too if you like 🤷‍♂️ Shame about your teammates tho

[sturdy reef]

And plasma

[analog agate]

My only point was quell canceling allows for VB to not only compete with inferno for dmg but really helps with safeness. I’m not arguing that inferno can’t best VB in dmg. But that animation canceling allows for VB to beat inferno

[weary crane]

Inferno crits dont proc often enough

[sturdy reef]

If they allowed the rmb stream to crit on all hits

People would be complaining

And itd be too good imo

[nocturne dust]

Combine it with dodging and you can get away with it for quite a while

[sturdy reef]

I think inferno is fine, just nerf or remove blaze away from it

[nocturne dust]

In terms of damage, I disagree

[weary crane]

EE is funny, I've had like 10 reapers on havoc 40 target me and do nothing

[nocturne dust]

No, that is bad. Inferno already has an issue of not killing quick enough in lower-count encounters

A cleave cap would make more sense

[analog agate]

I’ll gladly play with you haha

[weary crane]

I wish the new ogryn talent made you immune to ranged attacks, rather than a measly 20% dmg reduction

[nocturne dust]

Maybe in a couple days, right now I'm sick enough to be unable to handle even aurics, lmao

[analog agate]

Being sick sucks. Hope you feel better

[clear heath]

I think not being able to kill quickly on small groups is supposed to be the weakness of an aoe dot weapon

[nocturne dust]

I do too, came outta left field. Stupid nurgle

[nocturne dust]

I mean, that's fair but it still does it slower even with Blaze Away

and the point of a cleave cap would be preventing it from going out of control in even higher density situations

Imagine they add a modifier where you get triple spawns in spots, are we just going to nerf Inferno's damage again? lol

[clear heath]

Are we gonna get higher density situations? I feel like at that point, we'd crash xbox players

but anyways sure, if they can implement cleave cap in a sensible way, i'm all for it

[weary crane]

What are "perfect blocks"?

[nocturne dust]

Well, I mean, even if we don't get higher density situations, lower density is also difficulty-controlled

so it's more balanced for lower difficulties to cap cleave rather than hurt the weapon's TTK

because it really only gets out of control in extremely high-density situations

[nocturne dust]

Basically, perfectly-timed blocks

You have to start blocking right as they hit you, or just about

[weary crane]

Is it hard to achieve?

[queen fog]

Na

[nocturne dust]

It's like... parry timing for overheads?

[sturdy reef]

Maybe a direct damage falloff instead

Cleave cap feels bad and doesnt line up with the visuals of the weapon

[nocturne dust]

Eeeehhhh, dunno about that, Inferno's damage is largely soulblaze

Like most people write off direct damage a little too hard, but it's only about 1/3rd of my Inferno with PF

[weary crane]

This seems stupidly op then... like you can block crusher overheads if you time it right... and then get +20% dmg

[queen fog]

Or the smallest poxwalker

[nocturne dust]

IMO, that should actually be the default

being able to block overheads with perfect timing

[sturdy reef]

Soulblaze still needs to ramp up tho

For it to actually do damage

[nocturne dust]

maybe make it narrower in timing? I have never had a reason to bother with the timing much so I'm not sure how precise it is

since it doesn't even have a base mechanic anyway

[nocturne dust]

That's fair. I guess it's a possible fix, but if they're going to hit Inferno I would like Trauma to also get hit.

And no, quell cancelling doesn't hit Trauma in my mind because I don't quell cancel

[analog agate]

Dmg fall off or something would do it. Doing a cleave amount/affected targets would feel so ass on VB

Doing a blast and having guys still run at you unaffected

Gross

[nocturne dust]

FGS moment

lol

I agree, a cleave cap wouldn't make much sense for VB.

[sturdy reef]

It already has the epicenter mechanic for stagger

I think it also determines damage?

Can maybe adjust that

[nocturne dust]

It does, it technically does damage outside the epicenter

not a lot

but it does damage

[analog agate]

I maintain, while I don’t mind a VB nerf (outside of qc). It never will happen cause pretty much no one uses the staff haha

It is still rare to see it in pubs

[nocturne dust]

Wdym?

The staff I see the least in pubs is Voidstrike nowadays

[analog agate]

People never talk about how OP it is

[nocturne dust]

I feel like that's all they bring up about it

In my experience at least, I see VB and then Inferno, then EK, then VS

[analog agate]

In maels I see voidstrike more still, probably. It is kinda a tie between inferno and EK and then the voids way down low in popularity

[nocturne dust]

Really?

[clear heath]

It feels popular enough in havocs
although that might be too small % of the playerbase

[analog agate]

🤷‍♂️ I can only speak for NA east.

[nocturne dust]

Regional differences, smh my head

I play NA West and I normally see psykers with VB

[analog agate]

Inferno really has sprung to the top though. Far and away the most used

[nocturne dust]

in aurics, in Havoc Inferno is most used, yeah

[analog agate]

And people definitely using build guides

[sturdy reef]

I see either gunker or inferno on NA west

[analog agate]

Gunker I see often in maels. Mostly cause people like the fgs. The guns themselves are all over the place

[nocturne dust]

I see gunker sometimes, but not in Havocs. Rarely in maels.

But yeah, gunker for FGS, not the gun

[analog agate]

Can’t blame em. I do the same

[sturdy reef]

Inf vb in h40

All I srr

[patent mango]

gunker has a gun??

[sturdy reef]

See

[nocturne dust]

Can't blame em

Havoc is too long, and anything else just makes it way longer

[patent mango]

hopefully fgs is peak in some specific havoc modifier

[nocturne dust]

It already is?

Like, it's the 3rd best weapon for Havoc due to the ranged attack

Infinite cleave be infinite cleaving

[patent mango]

true true

[sturdy reef]

STAGGER WAAAAAVE

As well

[dull scroll]

I just barrelled a zealot off gloriana

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1321371717599367198/Greatsword_Elmo.gif

[dull scroll]

he insta left

[nocturne dust]

Rude

[dull scroll]

I'm a bad person

[nocturne dust]

I would leave too if I'd just joined

[wispy bay]

Yes, bad Vect.

You will be a servitor

[sturdy reef]

I had loner knife zealots in auric last night

1/3rd my dmg

We wiped anyway

[wispy bay]

Honestly, what's the point of Loner... It is effectively no aura for you and from you.

[sturdy reef]

Trolling

[clear heath]

gotta get the penance

[nocturne dust]

Solo toughness regen build

[deft stump]

Penances... Still dying trying to do the ping tag one.

[nocturne dust]

Stack it with the other zealot toughness regen nodes for memes

I actually have a build like that and it is surprisingly resilient

[deft stump]

Literally. Being a sitting duck sucks.

[weary crane]

I'm actually loving this new update

Rip my ball spam build but hello ogryn havoc 40

[deft stump]

But I see oggies in H40 already.

[weary crane]

And how often are they on the ground

[deft stump]

That's skill of the player.

[wispy bay]

I did a few runs as orgryn in H40.

The changes are welcome, though havoc might get harder.

Just compensation

[analog agate]

Hank said some of the havoc modifiers make it insanely hard

As long as they are interesting and not just “buff shooters” I am all for it

[upper galleon]

crushers are now ranged enemies

that throw rocks at you

[analog agate]

monkey paw curls

[deft stump]

Only crushers? No RNG?

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/tank-l4d-l4d2-iixluminatixii-gif-12314436

[upper galleon]

damage remains unchanged

[deft stump]

Everything can now throw dook at you at random.

Does their melee in damage for it.

Including corruption damage.

No, do not ask how muties and dogs do it.

Nobody knows.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/alpaga-spit-run-away-craven-funny-gif-21733993

[deft stump]

Bulwaks just clap you with a range of 25ft.

Or m. I don't remember.

+1 over flamer because dook you.

[strong gulch]

accurate tho

Bulkwarks huck their shield at you and it flies back to them.

[deft stump]

DH now chance to instakill.

Cos you can't block projectiles.

But, all actual ranged damage from shooters, gunners, shotgunners and reapers are nerfed to compensate.

You still die horribly though.

[weary crane]

Bulwarks are the best enemy in the game imo

They break so many strats

[deft stump]

Just (double) burn them down.

[weary crane]

Don't they block that too?

If close

[deft stump]

Dunno. I just know it works in mid range.

[weary crane]

The pus hardened bullwarks are fucking invincible

[nocturne dust]

No

[nocturne dust]

DoTs ignore pus

Fire gud

[weary crane]

Lol thats broken

[nocturne dust]

I mean, iirc trauma also ignores pus

[weary crane]

Infinite cleave and completely ignores modifier

[verbal thistle]

It does

[nocturne dust]

and is one of the contributing factors as to why trauma and inferno OP

Imagine getting blocked

Blunt moment

[deft stump]

Flamer is balanced by the fact you have limited ammo.

[nocturne dust]

Eh

No, it ain't.

[deft stump]

In comparison, lul.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, it has better blessings than Inferno

Not to where it has 2 blaze aways, but it is stronger as long as you have ammo

and the literal strat in Havoc is to feed the flamer all the ammo for that reason

[deft stump]

I feel like the joke is I don't use it enough or something.

[nocturne dust]

Well, Inferno is stronger because of the unlimited ammo in Havoc, but my point is that Flamer is still very, very strong and not balanced by the ammo limitation.

[deft stump]

I guess.

[weary idol]

I really dislike the flamethrowers

[nocturne dust]

I really dislike the guns

The flamers are problematic, but also they only happen to be problematic in Havoc, which itself is extremely unbalanced. I don't mind it much currently, but we'll see once they implement some of those promised Havoc additions

[weary idol]

they're problematic everywhere

havoc just pushes people to use them

[nocturne dust]

Not really. They're good, yes, but their TTK is whatever outside of Havoc. There are more meta strategies for clearing every enemy more quickly.

[wet charm]

Squeak (it is still possible to 1,2 animation cancel, but rat will have to break the habit of always doing 1,2,r and be more selective of when to quell)

[analog agate]

You don’t need to R though. Just swap. Why were tapping quell after weapon swapping?

[clear heath]

being more selective of when to quell is gonna mess me up a bit for sure

[vale vector]

So some guy was going to teach me how to Quell cancel with the Inferno staff, so...i'm guessing not anymore lmao

[analog agate]

I watched your vid but can’t remember

[clear heath]

I press R on downtime just out of habit because i know i can stop instantly if i need to
Now i need like 1 braincell to not do that when there's only 0.1 second of downtime

[wet charm]

Squeak (it actually quells a few percent of peril which really helps manage peril)

[nocturne dust]

Tapping R for Quell Cancel?

No, it doesn't quell any peril if you're doing it short enough

[analog agate]

No. Rat weapon swaps. And then taps R

Yeah, that is why I asked

[nocturne dust]

Ah

[analog agate]

I wasn’t sure why he taps R.

But it sounds like he quells a tick

But that isn’t tapping 🤷‍♂️

[nocturne dust]

I definitely would've preferred they just prevented you from using LMB again until the appropriate time instead of murderizing quell cancelling, because it's useful to get out of a quell when needed

[analog agate]

I just hope it doesn’t feel clunky. I love how this game feels because it so so smooth

And small things can make this feel clunky. Like when they mistakenly made it so you can’t charge your attack while in air

[clear heath]

Sometimes i just tap r without knowing if i'll do it for the full tick or not cause there's currently no consequence and can be stopped instantly

[nocturne dust]

It might.

[wet charm]

Squeak (rat does the same. It really reduces the brain power you need, deciding if you want to incorporate r or not. Its much easier for rat to always input 1,2,r than actively deciding when to not use r)

[clear heath]

hopefully it won't be too hard to get used to

[analog agate]

I guess my actions work differently. I use quell cancel with R and quell with side mouse button. So my quelling is very intentional

[nocturne dust]

I just quell the full bar at all times, the way the god emperor intended

[trim widget]

eavy
heavy hghpower sword best melee

[analog agate]

What

[patent mango]

sword good people kill yes

[analog agate]

https://tenor.com/view/me-think-kevin-kevin-malone-the-office-many-word-gif-8931878844271137865

[loud slate]

🤔 what is the best gun for psyker?

[restive slate]

Atm recon I think

[deft stump]

Meleeker is bolt pistol if you can quickswap. Puncture works on Assail and FGS warpslash.

[loud slate]

recon lasgun?

[restive slate]

If paired with Scryiers Gaze, Recon can apply Infernus Blessing stacks so quickly and melt everything

But yea Bolt Pistol as Karien said is a good option too

For a different ability pairing

[loud slate]

right now I use assail with disrupt destiny (and dome for team support)

[restive slate]

Ahhh then Bolt Pistol would be better for you

[loud slate]

ty

[restive slate]

Especially against harder targets with armour

[wind spruce]

It's better than recon against carapace but still so bad that you're disrespecting the team by wasting ammo.

Just use your melee

[loud slate]

🤔 what about shotgun

[analog agate]

DB can work.

[loud slate]

one tap?

[analog agate]

#psyker-class message

[autumn smelt]

i think laspistol is vastly better than recon for melee psyker

[analog agate]

My beloved. Mk 2

Great mobility. Great boss dmg. Can still take out human sized targets

Oh and bye bye reapers

[autumn smelt]

you still get that infernus, but you also have massive chunking unyielding damage for bulwarks reapers and bosses, which are all things that melee psyker lacks in (except bosses if youre boring and lame by running ds4)

[midnight vault]

best things to have on inferno staff?

[prime elk]

Idk infernus on laspis doesn't feel great

[loud girder]

infernus on las pistol = big boss dmg

[verbal thistle]

Flak + maniac/unyielding/crit chance blaze away + nexus

[analog agate]

Interesting. What do you run? Usual is infernus and dum dum and then on havoc some run ghost instead of dum dum

[nocturne dust]

Use keep firing mod

Or whatever it's called

full auto?

Something like that

[analog agate]

Full auto

Melee version is keep swinging

[dull scroll]

the reload on laspistol is sweet I'll say that much

[prime elk]

yeah dumdum + ghost/desperado

[prime elk]

i was talking more about the proc rate

esp relative to the ammo pool

[nocturne dust]

Kinda weird, which mk you using?

[prime elk]

mk2, like every sane person

[strong gulch]

I forget that there's 2 mks for laspistol

[prime elk]

fair tbh

with recon las, i feel a lot better about spraying until i max out stacks

for laspis, feels like it takes too much ammo usually

[nocturne dust]

I mean, it's still a weakspot weapon

[strong gulch]

Also fair. Laspistol is more ammo hungry. If you can actually aim it great.

[nocturne dust]

The dot is just to cover wat laspistol doesn't

[strong gulch]

If you can't then you're like me and just dump it into monsters.

[nocturne dust]

I dump all weapons into monsters

[strong gulch]

[nocturne dust]

Flashback to me trauma-ing a boss to death

[strong gulch]

I do it too. lmao

[wispy bay]

Laspistol also has damage drop off at rangr like recon las, which makes it inconsistent.

[strong gulch]

It does have funny push. Why recon no have it?

[nocturne dust]

Force recon soon™️

Trust, my source is very reliable

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-source-i-made-it-up-sauce-take-that-gif-26625795

[fair delta]

which mk of the force greatsword do you prefer?

[wooden sand]

Great sword

[nocturne dust]

mk6

[wooden sand]

Literally the same but with different start attacks

Its preference I guess

[nocturne dust]

They have pretty different combos but it's largely preference I guess

[fair delta]

they're both new since I've last played, tried each in a mission and I can't decide so far

only problem is at this level I can only get them to 300 which sucks in auric

[wooden sand]

Pick random

[prime elk]

8

[wooden sand]

Problem solved

[nocturne dust]

Mk6 lets you stagger enemies with the ranged attack and then combo into strong stab

Mk8 stabs after push attack

Mk6's heavy spam combo is for single targets

Mk8's light spam combo is for hordes

[fair delta]

Isn't that the case for both? Light for hordes, heavy for elites

[nocturne dust]

Mk6 lights mostly but has a heavy in the mix

[wooden sand]

If it were then there would be no reason for different marks

[nocturne dust]

if you wanna be optimal about it

but I do just light spam with mk6

I'm not at my pc otherwise I would post the fgs combos

[fair delta]

what sorta build do you all like for them? I've tried a few so far but my trusty deimos outshines them in every circumstance so far but I want to change that

[nocturne dust]

[wooden sand]

Force greatsword with racon

[nocturne dust]

FGS is basically just illisi but better so that's weird

[fair delta]

I had it mixed up I meant deimos

[nocturne dust]

Like, unless you really care about mobility (and don't want to use knife), I would just use FGS

[fair delta]

like I said I haven't played in ages 🙂

[nocturne dust]

FGS is largely for hordes, but is a very good all-rounder

[wispy bay]

I still like Illisi for the stroking and slashing.

[nocturne dust]

It's not stronger than Deimos against single targets, but has the advantage of not needing to stack uncanny and can pretty easily delete crushers in 3 hits with very basic buffs

[fair delta]

every staff seems so good at hordeclear already, but I'll look into using a gun like a weirdo

[nocturne dust]

Lmao, I hate it because of the stroking

Stupid psword wannabe

(I also hate the psword)

[nocturne dust]

FGS generally pairs with a gun because meleeker and gunker are both rightside of the tree

but you can use it with staves, I do

[wispy bay]

Illisi is what the power sword dreams of before the relic blade.

[nocturne dust]

FGS' most common staff pairing is Electrokinetic (Surge)

I think it also pairs well with Voidstrike

[fair delta]

do you run scryer's or what? I've always been a mostly left-side psyker since my other main is Veteran and it seemed silly to have two shootahs

[wispy bay]

FGS is the most rounded melee, therefore it is good to pair with a high damage ranged.

I use FGS on my gun/melee psyker.

[nocturne dust]

You can, but it has such high damage I don't see a huge need. You can run other things easily.

My FGS focused build runs Scrier's and Vraks/Assail

Vraks largely just to ammo dump bosses because I have zero use for guns outside it with assail and FGS

[fair delta]

How's this with it? I've never seen this talent before so it's either new or I've been blind

[nocturne dust]

Trash

Charged Strike sucks

[wispy bay]

Never use that

[fair delta]

💀

[nocturne dust]

Never take it outside of memes

It does like 60 damage over time

no stun, no stagger

0/10

[fair delta]

ouch

I'll uh rethink this then lmao

[nocturne dust]

Lol, if you're taking smite you should also grab psykinetics at least

But yeah, I don't recommend smite with FGS

[fair delta]

I usually take BB but I wanted to try the right side melee talents, I guess Assail it is

[nocturne dust]

FGS' slice attack staggers anything that isn't a raging rager or an ogryn

the ranged special slice

So you can stagger ragers you get the drop on

[fair delta]

I'm hoping the slice is like WP salty in vermintide, where you can use it more at higher difficulties. I've been having to slog through diff 4 to help a returning friend level his new characters

[nocturne dust]

You can also stagger through walls and save teammates from hounds which is cool

[fair delta]

It seemed really cool but too hard to charge without some thick hordes, but I usually play auric maelstrom so I hope it shines there

[fair delta]

Is it a similar range/width to venting shriek? I'm glad it also pierces walls

[nocturne dust]

yes

https://youtu.be/v9iklHsHb58

[fair delta]

so are there any specific talents you recommend for FGS? aside from this juicy cluster

[nocturne dust]

Not really. A lot of people like lightning speed, but you don't even need that imo, it's no Caxe. You don't need Warp Splitting either if you use Wrath.

It's that good of an all-rounder that it doesn't really need anything. It only lacks mobility, so Anticipation can be useful if you need the extra dodge.

[wispy bay]

I started a auric mael psyker. At the start, I saw a Blast staff knock enemies around and I couldn't get kill with my Strike staff. Then the kill feed showed all my name, I realized that I was the one using Blast staff.......

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/it-was-me-gif-21942307

[wispy bay]

Pretty much

[thorn pond]

I don't understand how zealots became more unlikeable than the veteran players back in 2022

We won btw and yes he was using knife and charging ahead lel

dude is level 1500 and being frustated by some randoms dying in auric

[plucky flax]

I'm excited to try the reworked bully club for oggy. Always enjoyed it

Heavy light single target combo now

[wispy bay]

Feel no Pain is still bad in high difficulty... Shooters will still remove orgryn stack... Painful.

[plucky flax]

Ye and the heavy hitter sub talent increasing cleave seems way too good to not take

15%x8

Free wrath blessing for all melee weapon

[wispy bay]

One thing I don't like about the new tree, it has too many cul de sac.

[plucky flax]

Vet rework next pls and also where new class?

It's nice and all but we have 4 classes for like 4 years now

[jovial juniper]

Probably zealots next

[plucky flax]

I would like some trimming on vet. Currently most my builds just go keystone less

Also the left keystone on vet sucks nobody ever play it

[wispy bay]

Vet left tree especially

The middle and right one are ok.

[summer prairie]

dang even the small ogryn nodes are OP

+25 toughness, +10% ranged damaged

[dull scroll]

what

[patent jacinth]

There’s +25 toughness nodes on vet

And ogryn actually has less of them post rework

One got baked in

[stark crown]

Zealot is most likely next

we really only have issues of like lesser used Talents which are probably 30% of talents and the MMF as a keystone

Auras could use touch ups but im fine with how they are now

Zealot straight up only has "The Build TM"

[junior linden]

Yeah...

[stark crown]

also MMF in its current state is so painfully mediocre its not really worth taking outside of like- what Vigil Autos or other IAGS/ILAGS

[junior linden]

I want better pathing on flame grenades even if I love throwing knives now

[stark crown]

Zealot unironically might be a buff/nerf combo

[junior linden]

It should be imo

[stark crown]

on its talents cause the build tm is just the strongest of the strong talents

whilst the others are incredibly lukewarm

[loud slate]

I dont think I understand what assail weave is

[thorn pond]

prob they mean switching between melee and assail

[strong gulch]

Melee a bit, toss an assail or two, and back to melee.

[loud slate]

❤️

[thorn pond]

yee its prob focused on building peril then switching to a non-force melee

[loud slate]

okay got it

[thorn pond]

In this case is building peril then switching to the sword so u can have more cleave when u do the moonlight slash

i mean

force slash

[strong gulch]

Builds peril, especially for non SG builds, takes advantage of soulstealer's toughness regen, and adds CC and faster enemy cleanup.

[dapper grotto]

formal request for a blessing for the moonlight sword that either a) makes all it's attacks count as warp attacks or b) generates peril whilst attacking [up to 97%]

also question about the moonlight blade, if anyone's awake. does it have an extra attack after sprinting?

because sometimes it comes from the left on the first heavy swing

[autumn smelt]

heres a decent example (and totally not me taking the opportunity to post propaganda)

[nocturne dust]

Lawd, that kill tracker is so annoying

why do you have it flash at you like that 😭

[blissful solar]

that's default behavior but you can adjust it. it's hype

[nocturne dust]

Hype is seeing my enemies fall before me

Not number go up. I play incremental games for that.

[blissful solar]

what about both

[nocturne dust]

Flashing too distracting, I've been blinded and fell off the map

[plucky flax]

I think only really pro people can do it.

Probably lvl 1000+ psykers

[nocturne dust]

It's true, I can only switch to assail and dump every charge I have

[jovial juniper]

Balatro

[upper sun]

most of that damage was PC

[autumn smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/gamblecore-gambling-slots-machine-casino-max-win-gif-14185544851683499145

[autumn smelt]

it actually wasnt

[nocturne dust]

I've yet to play it. I swear, I'll play it at some point, I promise. Just like BG3

[autumn smelt]

my second monitor

[plucky flax]

Play bg3 or else

When patch drops

[nocturne dust]

Lawd, last time I played Trimps was years ago

[plucky flax]

Big patch coming

[upper sun]

playing the long dark instead

[plucky flax]

Also bg3 had way more updates since release compared to dt. One is a single player game one is always online...

[autumn smelt]

jokes aside kill tracker is a good way of seeing how effecting what youre doing is overall

[plucky flax]

Fs is built different

[nocturne dust]

Mmmmm, I dunno, I feel like I get that just from scoreboard and examining a couple matches

[autumn smelt]

thats the wider scale tho

this is a "in this specific situation"

[nocturne dust]

That's fair, but I use the psykh for limit testing like that

[autumn smelt]

it is direct and immediate feedback for one realistic engagement

[stark crown]

Dopamine being blasted directly through your neurons and into your brain stem

[autumn smelt]

heres that scoreboard btw

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, I can see why you might like it.

[upper sun]

oh only 150k damage yeah you're right that wasnt it

[autumn smelt]

now look at the raw melee damage
then the total damage

[nocturne dust]

at first I thought you were talking about total damage and was like "that's not what it says"

[autumn smelt]

it makes up less that 1/10th of the total damage
and most of it is already wasted on horde enemies that i will one shot regardless whether they had soulblaze or not

[upper sun]

yeah the person who clears the most has more damage

[nocturne dust]

Tale as old as time

[dapper grotto]

need another point for wildfire (to proc the crit chance on soulblaze kill more often) where would yall suggest pulling it from

[nocturne dust]

Hm, kinda weird build, is this Havoc or Auric?

[dapper grotto]

this is our hard carry build for auric maelstroms

complete with a moonlight blade and a voidstrike stave

[nocturne dust]

Ah, VS makes more sense

[marble crater]

Do you need wildfire, when this isn't a soulblaze build?

[nocturne dust]

though, honestly, Wildfire isn't that valuable with only perilous combustion as a soulblaze source

[dapper grotto]

gonna have to unabreviate

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike = VS

[dapper grotto]

correct, but souldrinker ain't procing because all the elites die at once

ok

[nocturne dust]

well, souldrinker sucks so don't take it

[dapper grotto]

bruh

[marble crater]

Oh I just saw souldrinker, that's not worth anyway

[dapper grotto]

free 5% crit chance?

on surge voidstrike ?

:L

[summer prairie]

it doesn't refresh so

[torn kernel]

If souldrinker worked the way it sounds like it does it'd be great

[nocturne dust]

grab Malefic Momentum using Souldrinker and the point under perilous combustion

[marble crater]

Drop souldrinker and BM and get warp rider

[nocturne dust]

It's not free

[marble crater]

Why do you not have warp rider?

[dapper grotto]

dont need it

already hit hard enough as is

[nocturne dust]

and it requires soulblaze do the kill or you get lucky (the proccing is weird and doesn't function properly outside of psykhanium)

[torn kernel]

Drop battle med tbh

[nocturne dust]

Get it and charge less

[plucky flax]

I always get free 5% crit chance you're just not good enough.

[summer prairie]

I just time my SB procs manually to line up with my other damage

[plucky flax]

[dapper grotto]

.... why malefic momentum

[nocturne dust]

If you're swapping between sword and staff it's good damage buff

[torn kernel]

Free 25% dmg

[dapper grotto]

fair enough

[plucky flax]

You wanna play (and die?)

[summer prairie]

I'm up for dying

[plucky flax]

My boi

[nocturne dust]

I'd also recommend grabbing bubble instead of walls but you do you

[torn kernel]

Bonk a fucker w the sword and kill everything else with vs

[dapper grotto]

walls are so much better than bubble though

[nocturne dust]

Not at all

[torn kernel]

Positioning issue

[plucky flax]

The only one available is hishock

[nocturne dust]

Bubble is 360 defense from ranged, all walls do is stop specials but that's not very valuable

[plucky flax]

I'll try vet.

[marble crater]

For mutie, burster and hound waves walls are probably better

[dapper grotto]

unfortunately, skill issue.

[nocturne dust]

For you

[plucky flax]

[dapper grotto]

walls can provide the same 360 from ranged, and they stop muties from being a bother when fighting hordes

[marble crater]

Good luck with your new plasma, don't explode or something

[dapper grotto]

just gotta place them correctly

unfortunately, not many people do

[plucky flax]

I only left click

[nocturne dust]

They literally cannot provide 360

[torn kernel]

Grow some balls, drop shield, and run scriers

[plucky flax]

So I shouldn't explode

[marble crater]

We will see

[dapper grotto]

use terrain man

get good

[dapper grotto]

tempting

[nocturne dust]

Also, they only really stop specials from running at you in a hallway or down obvious paths, but like... just kill them then

[torn kernel]

Warp unbound abuse is my current favourite way of playing psyker

[deft stump]

Wot. I need vent to panick.

[nocturne dust]

Walls get more useful in mutie spam, I'll grant, but that's a niche scenario and even then it's still pretty easy to deal with without walls

[torn kernel]

Karien i see you typing and i swear if you diss me exploding because i forgot about vent again

[nocturne dust]

If they're all coming at you down a hallway, you don't need a wall

[torn kernel]

[nocturne dust]

I would say the same for wall use

[dapper grotto]

well, we will not be taking other critiques. walls, with their two charges, ability to stun random crushers, and stop dogs from being a problem, are in our opinion, 20x better than dome

[deft stump]

Also, you running SG. I guess I need to bring revive faster talent on Vet then.

[nocturne dust]

Walls don't stun crushers?

[torn kernel]

I don't use staff on sg

[dapper grotto]

... they do, just for a very short time

[nocturne dust]

wat

[dapper grotto]

and its enough time to put a voidstrike round to the face

[nocturne dust]

They literally do not stun anything other than specials

Crushers are not specials

[dapper grotto]

"can stun all enemies except monstrosities" (on a 10% chance)

do some reading ;)

[torn kernel]

Don't they get staggered if you drop it right on their feet or somethin

[deft stump]

You stroke sword and go boom.

[torn kernel]

In any case you wouldn't even need wall for crushers if you have voidstrike

[nocturne dust]

Oh, you're relying on the random chance

[dapper grotto]

correct

[nocturne dust]

[dapper grotto]

see

[torn kernel]

It was ONE TIME 😭

[dapper grotto]

psyker roll dice

roll high

roll low

who cares

psyker win

[nocturne dust]

Or just don't

[dapper grotto]

nah

and besides, we aren't "relying" on it