either way, you get better rewards edging high peril
#psyker-class
obtuse walrus
brazen rampart
That said, you can still dump warp resistance on voidstrike just fine.
deft stump
Bigger ball funni.
deft stump
TWO big balls
Just crit more, obviously.
patent mango
37 pages today hopefully 🙏
deft stump
TWO big balls
And yes, I dump WR if you couldn't tell.
obtuse walrus
37 pages today hopefully 🙏
They need 2 weeks off first, writing 37 pages is hard work
jovial juniper
They had 3 months, don't worry about it
patent mango
lmao
wanton fossil
Does it hit like one as well ?
brazen rampart
Does it hit like one as well ?
Voidstrike wants disrupt destiny to oneshot elites but without it I think it can do both shotgunners.
brazen rampart
Keystone.
The purple ones at the bottom of the tree, specifically the one on the right.
wanton fossil
Ah allright
zinc phoenix
what does this mortis thing mean?
why do i care about it?
also i notice they said four new mutators for havoc but not new maps
jovial juniper
what does this mortis thing mean?
Fortunes of War but with buffs
zinc phoenix
assume i thought vermintide 2 was trash and didnt play it much after launch
and so i have no idea what that means
marble crater
We will probably find out in the longer dev blog this week
upper sun
noob staffkyer
upper sun
We will probably find out in the longer dev blog this week
tomorrow 
marble crater
If not, blocked 
brazen rampart
noob staffkyer
Ah, yes, because knowing what goes on a staff makes me a noob.
upper sun
Ah, yes, because knowing what goes on a staff makes me a noob.
noob.....
brazen rampart
How about you go fail some more clutches miserably with your ironhelm, hmm?
stark crown
Still got hit with a crusher overhead though 🚬
plucky flax
this shit was 4+ minutes long
Fail and w clutch?
summer prairie
but you can edit it out
left basin
plucky flax
Duo is too hard maybe trio is the play.
stark crown
Trio is fun but it’s not as impactful as Duo
plucky flax
I'm too noob for it.
stark crown
Duo is forcing you to learn a lot of shit
patent steeple
btw, guys, I have willingness to rechoose my psyker's voice again, so I have to ask, should I stick with Seer for the unhinged laughter/dialogue and being wholesome to ogryns, or should I swap to Loner for the slightly more badass (in my opinion, at least) SG lines?
plucky flax
Or I need a better partner this guy is dragging me down 
stark crown
Both of you have to carry your own weight or you’re playing solo+
jovial juniper
btw, guys, I have willingness to rechoose my psyker's voice again, so I have to ...
"Oh lovely, it's killing time"
summer prairie
same
cosmic sigil
Trio is fun but it’s not as impactful as Duo
trio is the right amount of chill
dull scroll
just queue qp mael during degen hours, it's always a duo, if not solo
prime elk
just queue qp mael during degen hours, it's always a duo, if not solo <:staregry...
The pvp DT experience
patent steeple
just queue qp mael during degen hours, it's always a duo, if not solo <:staregry...
auric mael, or normal mael?
loud girder
thorn pond
being a psyker is hard the warp always teleporting us to strange places
patent steeple
didn't know ppl play normal mael
some do, heck even I do that if its damnation (I am too dumb to be useful in auric mael...)
wooden sand
being a psyker is hard the warp always teleporting us to strange places
Your Beloved is trying to pull you to heaven
patent steeple
btw, I at one point saw some psyker with a mk10 (the worse one) laspistol, and now for some reason I wanna try it out for like one singular match...
lethal plover
being a psyker is hard the warp always teleporting us to strange places
this is some cursed resolution ratio
jovial juniper
btw, I at one point saw some psyker with a mk10 (the worse one) laspistol, and n...
Hope your aim game is on
patent steeple
Hope your aim game is on
its never on, I just want to remind myself of how bad the mk10 laspistol actually is...
thorn pond
oh uou don't know my beautifull graphics?
jovial juniper
It'll absolutely delete any stalker or shooter with a single headshot
analog agate
Doesn’t make sense for psyker though cause you would want the faster firing one to make use of the nodes.
I can see using the X on vet though
prime elk
its never on, I just want to remind myself of how bad the mk10 laspistol actuall...
You'll really feel it when you shoot at flamers
jovial juniper
Well
Both marks have very similar ammo economy, uptime and elite killing prowess, but Mk2 has higher dps
lethal plover
nurgle must have won on that planet
copper jay
btw, guys, I have willingness to rechoose my psyker's voice again, so I have to ...
Male or female ?
proper osprey
Are you playing on a fridge?
lethal plover
god emperor bless these ravaged eyes
thorn pond
Are you playing on a fridge?
same watch i play doom
patent steeple
Male or female ?
male
buoyant maple
Seer is best psyker voice
narrow herald
jovial juniper
Seer is best psyker voice
I'm too Savant pilled to agree
copper jay
I'm too Savant pilled to agree
"Protocole activated" 😬
marble crater
Male seer and female loner, bonus points if you have both in the same team 
night garnet
what do you guys bind slide to for like staff dodge slide tech etc 
upper sun
I'm too Savant pilled to agree
FEAR THE FUTURE
upper sun
what do you guys bind slide to for like staff dodge slide tech etc <:monkaHmm:75...
C is slide v is jump and space is dodge for me
patent mango
no dev blog today at this rate
marble crater
LB is dodge and B is crouch 
buoyant maple
no dev blog today at this rate
It’s tmr
jovial juniper
FEAR THE FUTURE
Hey that one goes hard
patent mango
ah hank already confirmed it befo
jovial juniper
🫵
buoyant maple
I’m genuinely curious how big the changes could be
I’m guessing 60% of it is weapons
patent mango
collect my 37 pages
patent mango
idk if 60% is weps
patent mango
they did change like most t alents apparently lmao
upper sun
Crunch is faster
crunch is awful
patent mango
crunch is peak it lets you eat rashuns 40% faster
jovial juniper
Just a dps loss for more burst
patent mango
not for long
jovial juniper
I've been playing a lot of Unstoppable Force Thrust Cleaver
So might as well Crunch
upper sun
behold KINO
upper sun
dawg wtf is this
patent mango
real slop
upper sun
do you really have peace maker?
marble crater
That looks more like a mix of zealot and vet trees
marble crater
Perfectionist my ass
jovial juniper
do you really have peace maker?
That should be the ammo
😭
I really don't remember where the extra ammo is supposed to be huh
patent mango
i wonder if the 37 page devblog will have silksong news
marble crater
jovial juniper
Where are my auras dude
patent mango
ogryn has auras?
upper sun
ye its called STANK
fiery stratus
patent mango
evil thing
west smelt
any other europeans getting some lag?
fiery stratus
any other europeans getting some lag?
I get bad ping on the server local to me in the US. Not all the time but some days there's plenty of rubber banding and no hit regs
west smelt
it was pretty bad for me just now
fiery stratus
The servers are bad unfortunately. Somedays are better than others I find
marble crater
Ever since the Xbox crash fix I can count the number of lag during missions on two fingers, number of crashes on 0
Before that it was truly outrageous
fiery stratus
@patent mango @upper sun any gaming?
patent mango
<@207108276192673793> <@244173531129053194> any gaming?
aight
just gimme a se
sec
fiery stratus
upper sun
@patent mango join noob....
patent mango
wait im burning some incense for the machine spirit
oh yeah
did anyne watch the new invisible episode
it was crazy
upper sun
no
i watched a 3 hour summery of the entire comic on yt
im done with amazon
🤓 erm u need to wait 4 years for the next season
patent mango
lmao
upper sun
fuckouttahere
patent mango
i forget its made by amazon
fathom adder
did anyne watch the new invisible episode
I couldn't see it
patent mango
if hes so invisible why can they hurt him
jovial juniper
If he's invincible how can I see him?
reef palm
any tips on how to get perilous focus penance done
pliant sage
any tips on how to get perilous focus penance done
Just get lucky I guess for me
jovial juniper
Maybe a Rashad with Brutal Momentum
pliant sage
like i got it randomly and went 'oh hey, I got that, huh'
jovial juniper
Or a heavy sword with deathblow
reef palm
ill try that out
prime elk
Maybe a Rashad with Brutal Momentum
That's how I got mine
marble crater
Is that killing x elites in y time while at max charges or something?
marble crater
Vraks(columnus) is how I did that
deft stump
I did it with VoidStrike. Git gud edging while blasting lmao.
upper sun
cute dog
patent mango
cabbit
marble crater
Dark Souls version of the Vietnam flashback meme, nice
patent mango
my brain is melting rn
marble crater
i think <@207108276192673793> likes darktide
Big if true
strong gulch
Hello fellow psykers.
analog agate
Hi
upper sun
HI
marble crater
Bye
strong gulch
Bed?
marble crater
No, it was just for shock value 
marble crater
Looks like you missed
patent mango
source?
marble crater
The vertical bowling pins are still standing 
patent mango
thats normal
marble crater
If you say so
There is a Best Rated games sale on Xbox, but BG3 is not included, very sad
patent mango
among us vr
marble crater
Dragon's Dogma is included though 
upper sun
@fiery stratus nice job
fiery stratus
🤏 This close when they body blocked
strong gulch
I had a similar situation last night, but I tried to dodged into the trapper too late.
fiery stratus
That would've been a good clutch to record but I didn't 
fiery stratus
Oh well, made plenty of mistakes like getting cornered and nearly dying anyway lmao.
strong gulch
That would've been a good clutch to record but I didn't <a:disappeared:118635613...
The best ones never get recorded. I've seen you clutch. I believe you.
dusky crag
https://youtu.be/nBW31kvdvLc
I love it when that happens the game is like "Whatever you get another chance."
fiery stratus
I'll start recording the smooth ones, gotta weed out the mistakes 
.
strong gulch
I love it when that happens the game is like "Whatever you get another chance."
Opportunity to not learn a lesson.
dusky crag
Do dumb shit
Get rewarded
strong gulch
This is why matt clutches our games and I just sit in timeout.
fiery stratus
The ai was merciful last game. I got bodyblocked by a trash horde with bonbon following. I was really stuck, nurgle kept eating the trash though, instead of focusing on me. Pretty much the only way I was able to weasel out of it
strong gulch
Pro strat.
Be less tasty.
fiery stratus
Be very hygienic and clean so its not attracted to the smell
raven mountain
i wanted to use chastise to dodge it 😭
I love ignoring random damage with Zealot charge. Burster about to hit? Charge right past it for the invulnerability.
wispy bay
Now I think about it, what if the 37 pages of update note is just about them renaming the whole armoury again?
night garnet
I've noticed that if i max peril, sometimes i explode without the usual animation/grace period, does anyone know why?
fathom adder
Now I think about it, what if the 37 pages of update note is just about them ren...
"that one shitass rifle no one ever uses has been renamed the Vraks Mk V Infantry Autogun, despite being a Headhunter Vigilant Occulus Autogun. Please note that despite their new name the Occulus autoguns still don't have an optic."
marble crater
I've noticed that if i max peril, sometimes i explode without the usual animatio...
Are you getting disabled or something when it happens?
night garnet
oh does that cause it?
i have no idea, i was maxing peril then using vent, but sometimes i just exploded with no warning
like the animation with you clutching your head and being like "i fucked up bro 
"
marble crater
Yeah, if you are in the animation and a dog jumps you, you instantly explode
night garnet
ah that must be it, thanks 
marble crater
Or it's lag, if nothing else happens while you are in the animation
night garnet
yeah it was just like BOOM
it's not a big deal, i just vent before going into the animation, or at 99 peril
i was just curious 
slender radish
What's the Voidblast and Voidstrike staff dump stat?
slender radish
thanks 😉
deft stump
What's the Voidblast and Voidstrike staff dump stat?
Strike can also be warp res. Depends on what you plan to use it for, lul.
strong gulch
I've noticed that if i max peril, sometimes i explode without the usual animatio...
Like Sut said. If you're in the exploding animation and get grabbed or dogged, you'll explode or just laggy things.
If you use crystalline will, that also shortens the "I'm gonna explode!" window and animation.
strong gulch
What's the Voidblast and Voidstrike staff dump stat?
For all force weapons except VS (voidstrike), warp resist is the dump.
night garnet
i never use cryst will, is it actually good? i feel like if i ever overload it's bc i made a huge error and it almost never happens
strong gulch
No.
strong gulch
I would only use it on like trauma/ voidblast SG when you're spamming the secondary. That is not a meta build anyways.
clear heath
It's also kinda weird as a beginner talent
You'd have to level up to 14 to even reach the node
clear heath
fatshark adding the most dogshit talents with the most nonsensical pathing
deft stump
flayer also seems terrible
Is good, just need lower CD.
night garnet
yeah that's the thing
the cd
like even when it's proccing constantly it was adding like 40k damage
that was with assail/recon laz
clear heath
it's actually not bad on fire voidblast builds
can get an early elite kill while hitting a group, triggering perilous combustion and starting some extra fire
night garnet
like let's say it was always proccing all the time, it's 1500dmg every 15s, or 100dps
that can't possibly be worth a point
strong gulch
KF is good.
It only procs on the target types that you want.
On the builds that you'd take it, you don't use your blitz much anyways so it's just a damage boost.
night garnet
oh i actually didn't notice that
strong gulch
It's not "broken" or "godly" but it is good.
night garnet
there's a lot of stuff that's good that i'm not good enough to understand rn 
clear heath
Like you blast an elite pack and set them on fire, and if one of them pops from flayer, you get just enough soulblaze stacks to do actual damage
strong gulch
there's a lot of stuff that's good that i'm not good enough to understand rn <:s...
I fecking don't blame you. This game is obtuse and doesn't want to tell you much.
Also I've played for a long time and I rely on meta.
clear heath
for 1 point it's not bad for those builds
night garnet
i also never played vt, so there's like a lot for me to learn 
restive slate
I'll be honest, I only ever got into VT because I heard DT was being made hahaha
night garnet
i played a few rounds with my friends for the same reason
and fatshark put it on sale for like $2
marble crater
It's not "broken" or "godly" but it is good.
Wrong KF is godly
restive slate
Ngl Chaos Wastes was some of the most fun PVE I had with my friends
strong gulch
Wrong <:chadgryn:1161142998214656090> KF is godly
marble crater
Always nice when it just one shots a gunner and then your staff targets something else
strong gulch
I played VT, then, VT2, then this one. Steady improvements to gameplay with each of them.
strong gulch
Always nice when it just one shots a gunner and then your staff targets somethin...
Last hit on a monster.
KF out here taking down Cspawns.
restive slate
I played VT, then, VT2, then this one. Steady improvements to gameplay with each...
Dare I ask total amount of years?
strong gulch
Dare I ask total amount of years?
No clue. IDK what time is.
marble crater
KF is the only reason my blitz does something when playing EK or Voidblast
strong gulch
Dare I ask total amount of years?
I have about 500 hours in VT, 800 in VT2, and 2,000 in DT.
I'm mid at the game btw.
marble crater
I have about 500 hours in VT, 800 in VT2, and 2,000 in DT.
I'm mid at the game ...
You are not mid, give yourself some credit
strong gulch
You are not mid, give yourself some credit <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Hmm. We keep being at odds about this. You're probably right.
How about I'm good.
marble crater
Just had a psyker who blew up three times, can you beat that?
strong gulch
Just had a psyker who blew up three times, can you beat that?
I mean, either of us on baby psyker. Exploding right away.
Trauma SG is always explody
marble crater
But this was auric, no baby psyker
restive slate
I wonder if someone had a build on Exploding with Crustalline Will coupled with Zealots Cleansing corruption aura
wispy bay
That aura doesn't work, it can't heal wounds.
Also the damage of peril overload is pitiful.
marble crater
Yeah, unfortunate. Would be OP otherwise
restive slate
Awww my dreams to be a repeat suicide bomber
wispy bay
In damnation, it doesn't even kill trash mobs sometimes.
clear heath
maybe the talent is meant for getting that penance
strong gulch
Unlucky for some doesn't work with crystalline will either. Not a down. 😭
restive slate
Stagger? I barely knew her!
clear heath
at least when the explosion downs you, you get your hp healed up to your wound after getting revived
crystalline will won't even do that
let me heal myself by wounding myself with explosions fatshark
weary idol
honestly that alone could make for a funny triple wound charm psyker build
get on low health or know you're about to die?
just intentionally peril yourself so when you "go down" you just explode and get full health instead
restive slate
let me heal myself by wounding myself with explosions fatshark
"You don't hurt me, I hurt myself!!!"
strong gulch
Noooo. I fecked up.
marble crater
Skill issue
restive slate
Slice the patty in half, now you have a double burger
hallow quail
siblings whats the greatsword dumpstat?
wispy bay
Warp resistance
hallow quail
thanks mang
restive slate
Has obscurus H1 been that strong? Feels like it can contend with Deimos H2
strong gulch
Obscurus had a buff and a moveset change.
buoyant maple
Has obscurus H1 been that strong? Feels like it can contend with Deimos H2
H1 got buffed I believe
restive slate
Nuts it feels so strong now
vernal blaze
if i use traumastaff with warp charges do i grab the warpfire node or the other one
assuming i run the normal crit soulblaze one
strong gulch
if i use traumastaff with warp charges do i grab the warpfire node or the other ...
flak + crit chance and nexus + blazing spirit
vernal blaze
did wildfire get buffed from its old cringe self
or does it still barely do anything
fathom dust
Alright, I'm aware each class has their own base crit chance. But do different weapons have their own crit chances by chance? Like do some weapons crit more than others?
strong gulch
More shrieks with warp battery is if you are not usually shrieking before 6 WC stacks. If you are usually shrieking by 4 WC stacks, then you won't get value from warp battery.
vernal blaze
Alright, I'm aware each class has their own base crit chance. But do different w...
check the pins of #veteran-class i think theres a crit chance pin there somewhere
strong gulch
did wildfire get buffed from its old cringe self
Wildfire specifically works well with fire trauma because it has a mid amount of SB app. Think of it as pre cooking.
fathom dust
check the pins of <#1046912126746374274> i think theres a crit chance pin there ...
Thanks that verifies it for me. And oops I didn't ask this in the general chat.
That said, the Veteran pin doesn't have the listed values for non-veteran weapons like voidstrike staff which I'm trying to find 😐
vernal blaze
if it isnt listed it doesnt have bonus cc
thats why stuff like flamer and surgestaff are listed
fathom dust
ok, thanks
strong gulch
Thanks that verifies it for me. And oops I didn't ask this in the general chat.
...
VS would fall under "all other staves". It doesn't have a bonus.
fiery stratus
strong gulch
EK/ surge staff is the only staff with a crit chance bonus because it's the only one with a crit bonus staff.
wet charm
i never use cryst will, is it actually good? i feel like if i ever overload it's...
Squeak (there is nothing wrong with taking it fren)
patent jacinth
That point is much better used elsewhere though
wet charm
Squeak (take it from rat, who has around 1400 hrs as a trauma main. Rat still takes it)
patent jacinth
Its right next to warp rider
wet charm
That point is much better used elsewhere though
Squeak (you can argue that, but for how often rat explodes, it is incredibly valuable for rat’s playstyle) ;D
patent jacinth
I think the choice is pretty clear
wet charm
Squeak (rat takes both crys will and warp rider)
deft stump
Even then, is something for you. My psyker build will make any psyker main rage to hell but is something I'm used to.
wet charm
Squeak ( @night garnet , regardless rat’s point is to not get too deep into damage stats and consider what you yourself need to enable your playstyle!)
prime elk
i basically never explode unless i'm playing purg gaze
then i'll explode at least 4 times a match
patent jacinth
i basically never explode unless i'm playing purg gaze <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832...
Why would you do that
prime elk
Why would you do that
for the memes
patent jacinth
Fair enough
wet charm
Squeak ( @night garnet if you are interested, this is rat’s build) https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9df8cf62-74bb-407a-b6ab-b942ad63597d/the-best-psyker-build-rats-trauma-psyker
Squeak (the video at the end is particularly helpful to see how it all comes together)
Squeak (especially since it is quite a unique style of playing)
deft stump
Why would you do that
The same reason but not by taking all peril reduction nodes on the left side. Funni.
hardy coral
the damage is real. 
restive slate
the damage is real. <:teriderp:931495782954176522>
Scryier Purgatus was super fun and dangerous last I tried it
Stronger from that Ability Modifier to not blow up for a brief period
hardy coral
Stronger from that Ability Modifier to not blow up for a brief period
ye, thats what i use, its also great with Mk V Blaze Force sword since i can 1 shot Ragers and take care of Crushers easily too. Blaze Force sword just feels like a shittier power sword with this build.
funny enoug, i havent actually blow myself up yet with it.
prime elk
Stronger from that Ability Modifier to not blow up for a brief period
that's precisely why i blew up all the time lol
"oh hey i still got a few seconds left on warp unbound timer, i can keep fir... 🤯 "
restive slate
that's precisely why i blew up all the time lol
Hence why I chose not to rely on it hahaha
plucky flax
Noooo. I fecked up.
Flip burger at burger king unsuccessfully
autumn scarab
so how does the brainburst talent for 10% work
cause so far ive never seen it proc, ever
also whats the dumpstat for force sword? first target?
north tartan
Warp res
autumn smelt
also whats the dumpstat for force sword? first target?
first target is damage stat number 2
essentially
strong gulch
so how does the brainburst talent for 10% work
Kinetic Flayer, aka KF.
It can only target the high priority targets; elites, specials, and monsters. Attacks have a 10% chance to proc KF with a 15s cool down. Soublaze and bleed DoTs do not proc KF; but regular fire burn DoT does. Note that the direct damage from inferno/ purg can proc KF.
autumn scarab
I've never seen it proc, ever
is there an icon on the hotbar to show it cooling down?
strong gulch
You might not be recognizing when it procs.
strong gulch
is there an icon on the hotbar to show it cooling down?
no
deft stump
what's the staves dumpstat
Warp res. Though you can choose to dump blast radius for the Strike.
north tartan
Warp res is the general dump stat for exclusive psyker weapons ain’t it
strong gulch
is there an icon on the hotbar to show it cooling down?
I fibbed. There is an icon for the cool down, but there isn't one to show that KF is off cool down. Buffs can easily get lost tho.
deft stump
Warp res is the general dump stat for exclusive psyker weapons ain’t it
More or less. Just Strike lets you pick either Blast Radius or Warp Res.
north tartan
Yeah
strong gulch
Warp resist is the dump for all force weapons except voidstrike. Voidstrike dumps blast radius.
This is assuming meta builds.
Dumping WR on VS is not meta.
If you are going after a non-meta build and just want to bowl a horde out of existence in a hallway, that's a different dump (it's WR).
deft stump
Dumping WR on VS is not meta.
If you are going after a non-meta build and just ...
Look, that's funni, 'kay.
autumn scarab
Warp resist is the dump for all force weapons except voidstrike. Voidstrike dump...
is this tactical nuke vs carpet bomb
deft stump
is this tactical nuke vs carpet bomb
One is slap crushers in hed, the other is beeg hordes in long hallway? DINGDINGDING.
junior linden
I love kinetic flayer I try to fit it into any of my builds
Really easy to proc with purgatus or an auto rifle
wispy bay
KF works with pretty everything
strong gulch
is this tactical nuke vs carpet bomb
Sort of.
Meta VS is for elites and specials. High blast radius makes this harder to do.
VS is fairly easily overrun in non-hallway type areas by hordes.
But VS handles hallway hordes well, with or without high blast radius.
wispy bay
Im one of the people running radius Strike staff.
deft stump
Im one of the people running radius Strike staff.
BEEG BOOMIES!
wispy bay
That slight increase in radius can do some meme stuff
Though, having dump radius means more shot, better dps overall.
strong gulch
Yeah, it's mostly fine either way.
The staff that blast radius super matters is on voidblast/ trauma. Do not dump that.
little rapids
do voidblast and smite have any synergy? i feel like i can stun elite and specialist packs just as well with the staff
strong gulch
do voidblast and smite have any synergy? i feel like i can stun elite and specia...
Too much overlap.
wispy bay
Yeah, they overlap a bit
strong gulch
You can play what you want, but the meta pick with voidblast/ trauma is BB with KF.
wispy bay
In most of my games, I don't use smite anymore. Too passive.
strong gulch
Ye.
I have been incorporating smite a bit more into some builds, but those are melee focused. Mostly using it to aggressive push enemies into the places that I want them to be so that I can stab them in ways that are more pleasing.
That put me on a list.
little rapids
In most of my games, I don't use smite anymore. Too passive.
i like it with electrokinetic and voidstrike
assail and brainburst just dont feel powerful enough to me. even today i was doing havoc and needed 2-3 empowered brain bursts to kill some hardened elites that usually get one shot... and assail kills a few simple enemies then i need to wait for recharge. smite is passive but at least its always there for a stun when i need it, whenever i am face to face with too many crushers
though, i would love to use assail if i found a way to make it good. but i end up just always switching to my staff
icy yarrow
assail and brainburst just dont feel powerful enough to me. even today i was doi...
Purg staff brain burst procs :3 are very good at handling armor and gunners :3
raven mountain
What's a better Blitz to pair with Recon Scryier Psyker?
Assail or Brain Burst+Kinetic Flayer. Take the 10s of infinite peril and just dump assail at the end. Or don't take it and just use Brain Burst.
Buddy Smite the same way as I said to use Assail, but I'm not a fan.
raven mountain
though, i would love to use assail if i found a way to make it good. but i end u...
That's most of your problem. Staves don't play well with Assail.
broken carbon
What's a better Blitz to pair with Recon Scryier Psyker?
i use assail
10 seconds of infinite assail with full warp buffs (warp rider, warp splitter)
is vv fun
raven mountain
In lower density play, you can basically only use assail. But it's better with a gun since you can conserve ammo in general. And Assail shreds non-carapace hordes if you get warp splitting and its increased cleave. 5 or 6 enemies hit is solid. Up to 8 or 10 or something with EP (but you wouldn't have that in most setups)
And that's even in havocs.
The absolute worst part of Assail is that you lose Psykinetic Aura, which is a huge power spike for your team.
wispy bay
i like it with electrokinetic and voidstrike
In havoc, I run KF and generally not touch blitz at all. Yes, it is relying too much on teammates, but I can't solo havoc anyway.
deft stump
In havoc, I run KF and generally not touch blitz at all. Yes, it is relying too ...
WDYM? You play oggy, lmao.
raven mountain
My top 2-3 setups take KF simply because the other blitzes are meh with my loadouts.
and KF is free damage for doing damage.
little rapids
In havoc, I run KF and generally not touch blitz at all. Yes, it is relying too ...
no blitz sounds so sad to me 🥺
i want to be space wizard
raven mountain
Also, Brain Burst -is- ass into pus-hardened enemies, but I use it a fair amount for sniping in havocs.
There's a lot of spots where you're just in a room and peeking to clear gunners.
and purge doesn't have range anyhow.
wispy bay
Smite is good, but you move so slow that some stuff can easily pick on you.
wispy bay
i want to be space wizard
Just spam staff more 🙃
wispy bay
WDYM? You play oggy, lmao.
I play everything in Havoc.
uncut sinew
That's most of your problem. Staves don't play well with Assail.
in my experience staves work really well with assail
marble crater
Where dev blog?
upper sun
soon trust the plan
autumn smelt
What's a better Blitz to pair with Recon Scryier Psyker?
Assail for weaving mid melee for more damage and MM stacks, as well as the option for emergency toughness and the dps pumping at the end of scriers
And you could always replace that fgs with a taxe..........
dusky crag
Tax maxing
wind spruce
That's most of your problem. Staves don't play well with Assail.
Assail plays extremely well with trauma and void wdym
quartz barn
Depends on your playstyle and build
Void, yes
Trauma not really if you run a shriek spam build
wind spruce
It's not a shriek spam build in the first place if you're running assail
wind spruce
Except that it does
wind spruce
Shriek & DD
wind spruce
Gunners means elite gunners
quartz barn
But ngl trauma with scriers sounds scuffed to me
wind spruce
Shooters means non-elite ranged enemies
That's always been the parlance
And it's objectively correct bc of the curio perk
wind spruce
But ngl trauma with scriers sounds scuffed to me
Yeah doesn't sound like a great vibe, but I haven't tried it
quartz barn
Wait so why say assail pairs well with trauma then
Because bubble and shriek lets you ignore the whole reason you pick assail
wind spruce
Which is?
quartz barn
Gunners and shooters?
wind spruce
That's not remotely the whole reason
quartz barn
Hmm maybe if you play from a distance
wind spruce
Assail assists against every enemy type lighter than a mauler
quartz barn
But tbh i always walk forward with trauma
wind spruce
Hmm maybe if you play from a distance
No...
Assail is incredibly strong at close range
I'm always pushing forward
quartz barn
But just trauma yourself at that point
Because rn you make it sound like you have assail for close/mid range
And trauma for armored units
Which is also close/mid
wind spruce
Nope, I didn't make it sound like that at all
wind spruce
Assail assists against every enemy type lighter than a mauler
Notice here how I say assists
quartz barn
Hence my comment about complimenting eachother
wind spruce
Assail has capabilities that cannot be replicated by any staff, gun or blitz
Nothing else is as reactively defensive over such a large area with minimal time input
It's a mistake to think in black and white terms of "what do I use Assail for and what do I use trauma for."
That will change drastically based proximity of your target, current buffs, position of heavy enemies relative to the target, densihow you are repositioning, density of enemies, high priority threats, etc, etc, etc
marble crater
Wait so why say assail pairs well with trauma then
Because it's fun
uncut sinew
So you run scriers then or what
i run sciers or bubble with assail & trauma
wind spruce
Assail can also be weaved in when there wouldn't have been time to charge a trauma blast to a meaningful level. That's one of the things that makes it so goddamn strong, and something people mostly fail to utilise.
uncut sinew
Nothing else is as reactively defensive over such a large area with minimal time...
trauma is another one that can defend reactively too
wind spruce
True, but not in exactly the same way
If you need to maintain movement speed and there's multiple specials (and possibly other light targets, too) coming at you assail is usually superior
uncut sinew
True, but not in exactly the same way
yes, both can defend reactively in a different manner
uncut sinew
If you need to maintain movement speed and there's multiple specials (and possib...
yea, trauma is more for "oh shit i got cornered"
wind spruce
If psykinetics aura didn't exist I don't think this would be as contentious
It would just be incredibly obvious to the playerbase that assail is by far and away the best blitz because it compliments literally every weapon and has the added bonus of not being smite
wind spruce
But instead we live in the left side supremacy universe where most psykers aren't actually very good at using assail
uncut sinew
or they're gunkers
wind spruce
although smite do be funny
It do be funny
wind spruce
or they're gunkers
We are the true chadkers
uncut sinew
i like my FGS, assail, bubble and DD
with trauma
such a good loadout
and a lot of fun
wind spruce
I like it without the bubble because I enjoy needing to play like a crackhead
uncut sinew
me too, but sometimes you get too ballsy and die because you thought "these gunners ain't shit"
plus, you deal more than enough dmg without sciers w DD FGS
wind spruce
me too, but sometimes you get too ballsy and die because you thought "these gunn...
That's like half the fun!
And tbh it's not usually the gunners that get me
Between assail, shriek stagger, EE, and movetech I can disrespect them almost perpetually until the area denial enemies come stomping/flaming in
uncut sinew
movetech do be a lifesaver, but so is bubble
uncut sinew
That's like half the fun!
this is true
wind spruce
I just enjoy the masochism of having less defensive/utility options
Like running gunker with BB, scriers and DD
and if you want true style points, heavy sword instead of DS/FGS
uncut sinew
based.
i like it
although i do like running mk4 DS with agile, sciers, dd, assail and seerge
makes you the usain bolt of darktide
wind spruce
Yep that's those true crackhead vibes I love
Move fast, while teching and using all of your available options borderline simultaneously
uncut sinew
lingering the sciers with quelling to maximize speed and dmg, then dumping assail at the end
love it
mind in motion is also very underrated imo
wind spruce
No class can rival psyker on a technical level because if how quick our staff and blitz swap times are
uncut sinew
sure, you can just slide to not get ms penalty, but why not both?
uncut sinew
No class can rival psyker on a technical level because if how quick our staff an...
this
wind spruce
lingering the sciers with quelling to maximize speed and dmg, then dumping assai...
Make sure you're dumping assail during scriers too, especially if you can fit peril reduction into your build. People are too focused on extending scriers as much as possible but you can quell back down a bit and assail is just so absurdly strong with DD, scriers and MM up
wind spruce
sure, you can just slide to not get ms penalty, but why not both?
Point starvation
uncut sinew
Make sure you're dumping assail during scriers too, especially if you can fit pe...
i always run the -40% peril node (forgor name) with sciers
- the -20% on sciers
uncut sinew
Point starvation
sacrifices have to be made for the greater good
wind spruce
mind in motion is also very underrated imo
My muscle memory is too ingrained to be able to try and utilise it at a high level now, but I'll quell mid combat, while on the move and just use slides
marble crater
Empyric Resolve my beloved
uncut sinew
mmmmmm
uncut sinew
My muscle memory is too ingrained to be able to try and utilise it at a high lev...
same
i constantly quell, even when i shouldn't lmao
wind spruce
Dude you ain't got points for mind in motion if you've got empyric
I don't wanna think about what you've had to cut 😭
wind spruce
i constantly quell, even when i shouldn't lmao
If there's more than half a second down time (and that can just mean moving 5m to get to a new enemy) I'll be quelling
uncut sinew
If there's more than half a second down time (and that can just mean moving 5m t...
same
everytime i slide, i quell
it is the way.
uncut sinew
i'll just outrun them mf's trying to sacrifice me and my beautiful builds
strong gulch
Even my random build picker has never chosen MIM.
jovial juniper
+ the -20% on sciers
Rare Reality Anchor user
marble crater
Does MIM even work? I always assumed it's bugged
wind spruce
Does MIM even work? I always assumed it's bugged <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832290616...
Can't tell, always sliding
strong gulch
Does MIM even work? I always assumed it's bugged <:KEKW_ogryn:102207718832290616...
It works. Most just don't use it.
strong gulch
Exploits swears by it, but Exploits also plays differently than many.
wind spruce
You're giving up like half the reason to prolong scriers in order to prolong scriers by less than 20%
The maths doesn't remotely check out
marble crater
Okay, so MIM bad
wind spruce
News just in
marble crater
I don't think you get to do that, I haven't seen you here in like a week I think
wind spruce
More like a month
marble crater
Also works, time is weird to me ever since covid
uncut sinew
The maths doesn't remotely check out
it's not about minmaxing at this point
it's about making a dumb build
wind spruce
Fair
uncut sinew
if i was minmaxing
yes, i would tske precog
absolutely, objectively better in every way
drifting steeple
is combat axe shit
marble crater
No
Rashad is great, not sure about the other two marks, one is good and one less good
upper sun
on psyker? kinda
you need some buffs to really get it working
its prolly good with DD and attack speed but i never tried
drifting steeple
im using achyls
its like crack
i asked bc i liked a store skin for it but wasnt sure if it was worth it if the weapon was baad
upbeat kestrel
usable
jovial juniper
Real
Anyways Rashad greatest axe ever
Antax goated push attack
Achlys is like fast or something
Idk
cosmic sigil
Achlys is like fast or something
achlys has finesse.... hmm i wonder if you can use the same tricks as the taxe with it
deft stump
about penetration of the soul
It does nothing at all.
drifting steeple
i know
upper sun
LETS GOOO ITS UP
trim widget
tranquility
patent mango
YOOOO
patent mango
Dodging staggers nearby Non Elite/Special, human-sized, enemies, knocking them out of the way. The effect is reduced on consecutive dodges.
yooooo
marble crater
summer prairie
marble crater
The ogryn tree looks so nice though
patent mango
yippie
summer prairie
patent mango
they seem to ahve gone very light with any nerfs lmaooo
tepid python
damn fat shark cooking rn
uncut sinew
omg yes, i've been getting pissed to have my FGS special retconned after getting hit
summer prairie
since they nerfed ogryn elite kill cdr node, they are coming for Psykinetic too when they can get away with it
marble crater
icy flower
Rip quell cancel
marble crater
As someone who never used quell cancel
Unless I did without knowing it, will find out I guess
waxen jackal
Does this mean quell cancelling is impossible now?
waxen jackal
Ohh okay
summer prairie
based on the blog wording you can get a very slight benefit for lmb spam but only if you macro it
digital narwhal
since they nerfed ogryn elite kill cdr node, they are coming for Psykinetic too ...
I will personally kill all CDR
(and by kill I mean make it healthy so cooldown times matter)
summer prairie
sure, do it while buffing our useless stuff
marble crater
You can nerf psy aura, but in exchange we can take it with assail, deal?
summer prairie
actually looking at the blog again, even macroed I think quell cancelling is slower than just spamming lmb
deft stump
Also, make POTS actually work and be a 10-30% based on peril.
summer prairie
you've to wait 0.29s to start the quell action and then hold for 0.26s, which is slower than the chain_time 0.5s from lmb to lmb
marble crater
Good, rip cheaters
quartz barn
But what about the advanced version where you swap weapons into quell
Unless swapping weapons doesnt ignore this timer
summer prairie
how is that better than QQ
quartz barn
You still qq, but with a weapon swap inbetween to bypass the quell lockout of said 0.29s
But idk if that would work in dt
quartz barn
It did work in destiny lel
marble crater
Wouldn't the lockout still be there?
quartz barn
Probably
summer prairie
the lockout isn't the problem, the problem is chain_time from equipping your staff to lmb is long
you can't immediately lmb
marble crater
I will just keep spamming lmb, without breaking my fingers
quartz barn
Would be big brain if lmb > cancel with weaponswap > cancel with quell > cancel with lmb
deft stump
I will just keep spamming lmb, without breaking my fingers
WDYM? Just spam altfire.
summer prairie
this minimum quell hold time might also affect secondary action quell cancelling, you would have to move to QQ/grenade cancel for trauma
marble crater
WDYM? Just spam altfire.
Sometimes I just want to spam normal fire
deft stump
Sometimes I just want to spam normal fire
I guess.
plucky flax
When was the last time anyone actually see a left click surge balls spam guy in pub?
uneven mirage
In the last war of Armageddon
But i see lot of gunkers lately and they keep dying to basic poxwalkers
deft stump
When was the last time anyone actually see a left click surge balls spam guy in ...
Happens at times in SEA, then they pop themselves.
summer prairie
Seems rare here, purg on the other hand is common
quartz barn
Ive seen <5 in total
summer prairie
no DS nerf in the notes, but maybe uncanny is nerfed
quartz barn
Most did it manually, it was pretty obvious when people actually macrod it because the shots would blend together
Wait but for the real fix
Does elektro still have the 4 extra blessing points
radiant frigate
no DS nerf in the notes, but maybe uncanny is nerfed
uncanny nerf would affect like.. every weapon that gas it except for DS
summer prairie
blessings can be adjust per weapon
deft stump
And I don't think shovel needs a nerf lul.
radiant frigate
shovel needs to oneshot crushers with lights
deft stump
shovel needs to oneshot crushers with lights
You need to invest into mk3 thrust meme for that.
marble crater
It looks so pretty
naive pebble
I like how the grenades have extra buff nodes. I wish some other blitzs got that. Like imagine a smoke with an extra upgrade that makes it suppress enemies or something
cosmic sigil
It looks so pretty
it looks costly tho
well, we can assume how the next zealot tree will look like
marble crater
it looks costly tho
Maybe, you can probably make better builds for one purpose now with some choices, instead of what ogryn has now
You already save a point if you go for a shield build but want the nuke as well
summer prairie
fewer small tax nodes than current trees
cosmic sigil
same
quartz barn
Theres way more nodes now or am i blind?
quartz barn
So tldr more specific but less variable build options
marble crater
Need to see about less variable, it's a lot cheaper to reach a keystone now
quartz barn
True + idk what everything does
vernal frost
Theres way more nodes now or am i blind?
a lot less, small nodes are gone pretty much
deft stump
14 to keystone.
autumn lark
im gonna have to theory craft grenade gauntlet ogryn
summer prairie
right and they replaced them with real nodes
autumn lark
the special explosion radius is buffed by the blast modifier
so i can do the explosion radius talent node 80% blast and incendiary stacks on explosions
vernal frost
49 talents pre rework
94 post
marble crater
sturdy reef
Im very curious as to how the quell cancelling changes will feel
summer prairie
what's there to know, it doesn't work
sturdy reef
Guess Imma have to relearn VB quell cancelling post patch
summer prairie
you would have to quell for a tick to get benefit out of it
sturdy reef
Ya, kinda seems like ass now
summer prairie
for secondary you qq instead
sturdy reef
Oh fuck that lmao
summer prairie
it's not harder, at least with guaranteed weapon swap
fiery stratus
Replenish rocks every 5 seconds 
sturdy reef
The weapon swap quell cancelling is just more annoying imo
summer prairie
I double tapped R for secondary cancelling anyway
sturdy reef
Same
summer prairie
doesn't seem any different
sturdy reef
Its very comfy
analog agate
Quell canceling dead. Long live weapon swap canceling
sturdy reef
Noooooo
weary crane
RIP ballspam 🙏
autumn lark
now quell cancel users have to learn how to play the game😌
analog agate
I do hope it doesn’t affect rmb. But yeah, with overall quell longer there is no point in qc anymore
analog agate
Good thing I only qq anymore. Until they stealth nerfed that too
sturdy reef
Not really worth unless u macro
We'll see on patch day
Hoping it doesnt affect rmb qc as well
burnt gazelle
primary spam just by lmb clicking is still like easily top damage in most games you load into
weary crane
now quell cancel users have to learn how to play the game😌
I completed the game before i even started using it
It was just fun
sturdy reef
Idrc that they nerfed lmb timings
I just dont want quell cancelling to be dead in the water
analog agate
Also, interesting they get rid of quell canceling and leave dueling sword untouched haha
deft stump
Also, interesting they get rid of quell canceling and leave dueling sword untouc...
One affected other people in a bad way, the other is just eh.
deft stump
Have you actually heard it?
weary crane
The alternative on havoc 40 is duel sword inferno, which is boring
sturdy reef
I usually run deimos inferno/vb
weary crane
Time to program a real hack
sturdy reef
I'll reserve judgement for patch day ig
upper sun
massive ogryn nerfs its HUGE
marble crater
Ogryn talent tree has almost twice the nodes now
sturdy reef
Burngryn is real now
weary crane
Wanna test if the autopistol is usable now
sturdy reef
massive ogryn nerfs its HUGE
Worst class in the game? Got NERFED?!?!? Why FatShark HATES the Ogryn
Queue thumbnail
potent echo
Lol quell has been cancelled
weary crane
Tbf the shovals might actually be good now
potent echo
Wanna test if the autopistol is usable now
Actually positive crit modifier means it's actually usable on gunker
"usable*
sturdy reef
Still prob not better than heavy laspistol
potent echo
I haven't even read the oggin changes
potent echo
FGS buffed to keep special after someone step on your toes is nice
weary crane
I love how they haven't touched rumbler
summer prairie
it still needs to keep it longer
and only lose the charges when you do the actual attack
sturdy reef
Rumbler can apply burn with talents
potent echo
Burn on aoe?
sturdy reef
Yes
potent echo
Small poggers
sturdy reef
Same with Grenade gauntlet
summer prairie
max 12 stacks though
sturdy reef
And talents can give them much better reload
weary crane
I was actually thinking this was a good idea before
potent echo
Wtf dodging staggers
weary crane
Bull Rush
“Will protect you from Flying Dogs, Nets, and Bullets.”
You now count as Dodging during Charge.
Oh finally we can charge towards gunners
sturdy reef
Ya bull rush got crazu
sturdy reef
Lol clad
potent echo
Wait did they touch box
summer prairie
everything was touched
sturdy reef
U can apply max burn stack ez with box
potent echo
weary crane
Yeah 1 more box lol
plucky flax
Smiter in havoc 40 pog
jovial juniper
It's cc now
weary crane
Lucky Bullet has a +10% chance to trigger after a Killing Melee Attack, stacking 10 times
This will help with ammo consumption
Batter
“Light Attack Ogryns rise up”
Now also applies 2 Stacks of Bleed on Non-Heavy Melee Attacks.
Finally
Paul build
weary crane
Payback time Now also triggers on Successful Dodge
weary crane
Hail of Fire
“30% was in some situations a gamebreakingly high bonus. We’re lowering the Rending bonus, but giving it a bump towards Ranged Damage as a substitute.”
Rending 30% to 15%.
Now also grants 15% Ranged Damage
Dude what
So they think uncanny is okay but 30% rendering is too much?
prime elk
Finally
Paul build
but no paul buff
summer prairie
they don't think uncanny is okay
jovial juniper
but no paul buff
Yeah because it got buffed a while ago
Thing is
It's a light/heavy hybrid
Except the heavies are slow and the current tree has no support to lights
weary crane
Light 'em Up
“Reaching 32 stacks in virtually no time at all with some weapons was way too powerful; we’ve increased the stacks per to make it a better talent for slower weapons, but capped the Maximum stacks at 16.”
Stacks applied 2 to 4. Now only applies stacks up to 16.
Okay so they basically nerfed the hell out of gunluggee
summer prairie
if you ignore all the other nodes you'll be taking yes
jovial juniper
Light 'em Up
“Reaching 32 stacks in virtually no time at all with some weapons ...
Sort of
Now Gunlugger will be real
And not one button
autumn lark
cant nuke hordes with achlys twin stubber lole
potent echo
All I see are kickback buffs in the talent trees lol
dull scroll
they want an ogyrn weapon specialist
potent echo
It's fun tbh
weary crane
Well my rumbler focused build is fucked
jovial juniper
they want an ogyrn weapon specialist
Well I have the blessings that buff ranged on special attack and melee on 3+ targets hit by ranged attacks
I've been WS Ogryn for a while
potent echo
Those are like
jovial juniper
Yeah I know
potent echo
Terrible
jovial juniper
Pretty eh
potent echo
weary crane
Fire Away
Your Explosions apply 1 Stack(s) of Burn, increased to 2 Stack(s) on close explosion. Max Stacks 12
If this has the same distance has shrapnel then it will be pointless
Apart from box of nades
That might be good
💀
weary crane
I would prefer the spread to be reduced more
tribal girder
why fatshark keeps removing cool shit from the game is beyond me
broken carbon
why fatshark keeps removing cool shit from the game is beyond me
because m1 electro spam turned the game off
it was a needed change
jovial juniper
why fatshark keeps removing cool shit from the game is beyond me
cool shit
Game breaking
weary crane
Frenzied Blows
2% Melee Attack Speed on Chained Hit for 5s. Stacks 5 times.
I swear this is just a worst version of the zealot one?
The zealot one gives 20% dmg
prime elk
why fatshark keeps removing cool shit from the game is beyond me
found the quell macroer
analog agate
They essentially nerfed VB blaze staff (technically rending too). I wonder how it will be in h40 now. It
tribal girder
if they touch assail quell cancel i m uninstalling
weary crane
Frenzied Blows
2% Melee Attack Speed on Chained Hit for 5s. Stacks 5 times
Am I tripping?
Tf?
analog agate
Frenzied Blows
2% Melee Attack Speed on Chained Hit for 5s. Stacks 5 times
They touched all quell canceling
broken carbon
Psyker and vet have a constant 10% attack speed talent
and zealot
weary crane
The nades have a modifer 🤔
patent mango
dude ogryn will have soooo much cleave
its crazy
120% from heavy hitter 10% from strike true
weary crane
dude ogryn will have soooo much cleave
Infinite cleave still solos
jovial juniper
Too bad I can only get to 88+ cleave on my cleaver
weary crane
And ogyrn doesnt have any apart from bombs, but rumbler and nade launcher are trash
jovial juniper
Currently
patent mango
And ogyrn doesnt have any apart from bombs, but rumbler and nade launcher are tr...
rumbler wont be trash at all
weary crane
patent mango
weary crane
Second, you are forced to take lucky bullet
patent mango
oh thats good too
weary crane
First, it will work like shrapnel, which does nothing
Because the radius is so small
It will only apply the burn to like 1 enemy
patent mango
you can get 57,5% more blast radius on rumbler
weary crane
I've tried it
The radius is still tiny
Even with big box of nades, you're using a nade to burn up 1 horde, but flamer can get the same effect in like 2 seconds
weary crane
Centre
Like shrapnel
Shrapnel
+1-4 Bleed Stacks from close range explosions
I think the new meta will be shovel with loyal protector
upbeat kestrel
we will see
raven mountain
I actually liked manual quell casting for a technical burst of firing speed. But I ran into some macro users, and even being in group with them made me feel dirty.
Also, I saw nothing about the DS4. 😦
weary idol
why fatshark keeps removing cool shit from the game is beyond me
yeah honestly fuck that shit
it can stay gone
small whale
I actually liked manual quell casting for a technical burst of firing speed. But...
Thank god they removed the macro quellers
weary crane
Only yours
Well playing aprox 2 games a day i only came across 2 other macro users and they are the people in the video
Maybe NA servers had more
jovial juniper
I got one once in a blue moon
raven mountain
Yeah this may have been my fault...
Ugh. I need to go shower.
analog agate
I came across, 4? or so macro users in my time playing. It wasn’t a wide spread issue but is still fine to correct it. Nuking all QC though is a little sus
weary crane
Well the fact they havent tackled other animation cancelling is weird
Is the spam primary fire of the boltgun intended?
brazen rampart
I'm still not sure what this boltgun macro you speak of is.
You mentioned it before and never responded when I asked about it.
(there isn't one)
brazen rampart
Mhmm, you do know it only shaves off like .2s right?
upper sun
theres a difference between swapping slightly faster to a weapon or cancelling the activation animation slightly faster and doing 4000dps a second
brazen rampart
You still have to recover from the tknife animation and it's about the same speed as just drawing it normally.
That's nothing when compared to m1 macro staffkers deleting entire civi lobbies.
analog agate
I don’t think he is arguing against fixing m1 spam. But doing it by getting rid of qc in general which is used on rmb too
Well, we don’t know how much it will affect rmb yet. Gotta go by feel
summer prairie
fatshark is fine with animation cancelling, but quell cancelling lmb was way too much
brazen rampart
It's absolutely not necessary, rmb starts charging again as soon as your animation is done and no staff can even bother with quelling ~10% peril and then instantly rmb again.
They all generate too much peril to charge enough to make the minimum quell time go against you.
brazen rampart
Sorry my explanation is a little too wordy and says less than what I meant.
upper sun
noob...
brazen rampart
What I mean is rmb builds quell longer than the minimum time you're forced to quell.
So it literally doesn't affect you.
upper sun
it prolly wont
brazen rampart
If you were quelling less than that then you wouldn't have enough wiggle room on your peril to rmb again.
upper sun
but i still am waiting to see how it feels
weary crane
fatshark is fine with animation cancelling, but quell cancelling lmb was way too...
Yeah but they didnt just slow it down, they removed it so no cancelling is faster
analog agate
Yeah, I honestly only care how it will affect rmb trauma staff.
I don’t even qc anymore but weapon swap. Still, it would be a sizeable nerf to trauma
upper galleon
That's still trash
10% attack speed on ogryn is massive
and now they will have 10% more for their cap
having 45% (25% indomitable, 10% frenzied, 10% just getting started) will be ridic for dps
buoyant maple
dude ogryn will have soooo much cleave
Ogryn might be able to reach 100+ effective cleave
patent mango
oh defo
prime elk
what's the highest cleave in the game rn on melee weapons, aside from the inificleave shield heavy
verbal thistle
infinite with FGS
prime elk
i mean not talking about warp slice/other sources of infinicleave lol
paper dust
10% attack speed on ogryn is massive
The only reason I don't like about ogryn in the melee speed
verbal thistle
relic blade with wrath I think
prime elk
relic blade with wrath I think
that's my guess
paper dust
Mostly the heavy windup speed
prime elk
yeah it feels pretty bad
nocturne dust
What I mean is rmb builds quell longer than the minimum time you're forced to qu...
Eeeeehhhhh, optimally you're supposed to quell for a single tick
Since with ER you get precisely two attacks from a single tick iirc
spice veldt
psword might be one of the candidates because the cleave w/ sunder + wrath would be 2.5x * 4x = 10x, so that's like 117 cleave
nocturne dust
I have no issue with Fatshark getting rid of staff lmb spam, but I wonder how strong the 'minimum hold time' is. If it overrides literally everything, it could be annoying and prevent you from reacting.
summer prairie
I'm sure it's the minimum hold time for it to be considered a quell action rather than pressing quell makes you unable to do anything else for the duration
didn't make any sense anyway for tapping quell to be considered quelling
it didn't even start the animation
buoyant maple
relic blade with wrath I think
Not as high as power sword with sunder
spice veldt
seems to be the same minimum hold time thing as blocking
summer prairie
it's roughly the same time as quelling for one tick, the initial tick takes slightly longer though, don't know exactly
upper sun
I have no issue with Fatshark getting rid of staff lmb spam, but I wonder how st...
im sure our boy jsct would have said something if it was bad
nocturne dust
who
analog agate
jsat?