psyker-class

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/mr-huph-the-incredibles-pixar-grab-gif-15835910

You almost lost your jo-

[wet cloak]

Also I see many use the soulblaze with FGS, but in my experience most things are already dead when you're using scrier's gaze and pushing a horde, so who is there left to spread the flames to?

[north tartan]

I love two bleed application blessings on a knife with 76 mobility advertised as the best veteran build

[patent mango]

they're silly²

[nocturne dust]

If there is a reason, it's that meleeker is right side and OwtW isn't on the way, so you have to remove a point from elsewhere to get it

[zealous mango]

I guess it makes sense if you going melee psyker with BFG

[patent mango]

soulblaze on melee is just sad

[nocturne dust]

Fire sword is trash, sadly

[wet cloak]

True

[jovial juniper]

SB as in Blazing Spirit?
Blazing Spirit is bad except on Voidblast

[deft stump]

They think the special applies it.

[wet cloak]

Those poor fools

[nocturne dust]

It should

Screw you Fatshark

[jovial juniper]

Nuh uh
Ranged is not melee

[deft stump]

Yes, but it doesn't.

[nocturne dust]

It should also be on-hit

[jovial juniper]

I was about to say that BS probably only checks for melee that's why it doesn't work on the slice
But VB BS is a thing so

[deft stump]

Could be an edited ver for all we know.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, Voidstrike also gets BS

and they do have a different cap

6 instead of 12

sooooo

it is different, explicitly

[deft stump]

So, what I mean.

Same name and info, just different under.

[nocturne dust]

but probably they specifically prevented the BS from working with warp slice because 'too OP' 😔

[wet cloak]

Warp slice is too weak clearly, needs to be buffed imo

Is it really a slice if the crusher is still standing?

[nocturne dust]

because, y'know, an infinite cleave weapon with 15+ meters of range that just applies tons of soulblaze would probably be strong

[nocturne dust]

The blessing is

[jovial juniper]

Yeah it should instakill everything but bosses at half charge
Bosses and the environment at full charge

[wet cloak]

I agree

[deft stump]

Just do it with bleed, kappa.

[nocturne dust]

😭 But I'm a psyker, only DoT I know is soulblaze

[wet cloak]

I won't be surprised if psyker got nerfed next patch, so many psykers these days.

[deft stump]

Points at Bolt Pistol.

[patent mango]

i feel like trauma and inferno could get nerfs idk if anything else

[wet cloak]

Not my inferno

[patent mango]

inferno replaced with shredder autostaff

[nocturne dust]

Imagine using a gun when you have warp magic

[wet cloak]

How will I steal the vets ammo then?

I need that bolt pistol

[nocturne dust]

Eh, their dominance is only apparent in Havoc.

And Havoc is extremely unbalanced.

[patent mango]

havoc moment

[deft stump]

Steal wot?

[nocturne dust]

Like, Inferno users can very easily end up as the worst player in an Auric team through no fault of their own

[copper jay]

In your opinion what are the best build with force greatsword and BB ? (And bubble ?)

[nocturne dust]

The one where you ditch BB

Like, just take EK or a revolver

[copper jay]

EK is electro magnetic staff ?

[nocturne dust]

If you really want to use BB, you can do the ole double wall shtick

Electrokinetic

Zap staff

surge

[deft stump]

VoidShock.

[nocturne dust]

Voidblaze and Voidshock, where Voidfreeze and Voidbeam

[copper jay]

What are good build with BB?

[nocturne dust]

Empowered Psionics and Double Wall is the BB-maxxing build

but BB always sucks

[cold geode]

💤 🛌 😴

[nocturne dust]

BB's best use is taking kinetic flayer and never using the blitz manually

[deft stump]

Unless you want it for KF or pathing to psykinetics.

And totally refuse smite.

[copper jay]

Ok ok ! But everyone is saying Smith is a meme?

[nocturne dust]

Smite is not a meme

[jovial juniper]

Smite is a powerful tool
You're either goated with it
Or really really bad

[nocturne dust]

Smite is just hated

[proper osprey]

Me when I’m wrong and silly

[nocturne dust]

You're always wrong and silly

[proper osprey]

Kinda it depends on how you’re using it

[proper osprey]

Me when I lie

[nocturne dust]

Well then stop lying

Very e z

[proper osprey]

I’m talking about you

[nocturne dust]

You're trying to, you're failing to

You're not describing me

[proper osprey]

[proper osprey]

[copper jay]

In that case what are the build using FGS ?

[proper osprey]

Scries and assail is good

[nocturne dust]

Standard meleeker is right side with assail, scrier's, and disrupt destiny

But meleeker is gunker is assailker

so you also normally take a gun to pair with

[proper osprey]

Ur CONFUSING him

[nocturne dust]

like Vraks infantry autogun

[copper jay]

He is 😭

[nocturne dust]

Meleeker is the same build as Assailker is the same build as Gunker

They all take right side

[deft stump]

Unless you run some weird left build with it.

[proper osprey]

He’s saying the build your doing is the exact same as another build

Almost

[nocturne dust]

I'm saying it's very obvious and easy to pair it with a gun over a staff

You don't get great use out of scrier's and disrupt destiny with staves outside of Voidstrike

[proper osprey]

Ngl with warp unbound the surge staff is my go to for melee psyker

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you can do that

and that's meta in Havoc if only because of ammo

[proper osprey]

I haven’t tried melee psyker in havoc

[nocturne dust]

It's a scary thing

[proper osprey]

[nocturne dust]

Like not taking Until Death on Zealot

cough Sin cough

[proper osprey]

I mean zealot is my main

Melee isn’t a issue

[nocturne dust]

I would hope you take Until Death on Zealot

[proper osprey]

I do

[nocturne dust]

Gud

[jovial juniper]

Hand gameplay

[deft stump]

You don't need it if you never get overheaded, RIGHT?

[nocturne dust]

The bursters may have words

[proper osprey]

Last night I got grabbed my a mutie thrown into a beast SWALLOWED and then a burster exploded on me while inside it but I lived because of it

[copper jay]

What weapons do you use with this build ?

[nocturne dust]

Brainburst

That's a brainburst build

[proper osprey]

This was my first psyker build

I loved ep and brain burst

[jovial juniper]

As long as your ranged or melee is able to deal with hordes you can use any weapon with it
But if you take Electric Staff you can pick the crit related talents

[proper osprey]

Then I found out about warp charges

[nocturne dust]

As for actual weapons you take on a BB build... 🤷‍♂️ Whatever you like I guess. Probably FGS or Illisi for hordes.

[proper osprey]

With that build probably voidblast or inferno

[jovial juniper]

I like to call BB builds "Hands Gameplay" because that's going to be your primary

[proper osprey]

And a knife or dueling sword

[deft stump]

I was just joking. You know my Zealot nonsense.

[nocturne dust]

And then also switch EP for Warp Siphon with ER, grab perfect timing, and go for bubble over wall

[deft stump]

I will path for it even if I need the middle stuff.

[jovial juniper]

And yeah
Inferno is usually paired with BB

[nocturne dust]

and then you realize you've landed at a normal build and never have a reason to use BB

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[jovial juniper]

You apply a couple of SB stacks on bosses then swap to your Blitz and Brain Away

[deft stump]

That sniper half the map away says hi to your inferno.

[nocturne dust]

Imagine not knowing how to dodge

[last shore]

Or…just bb it? Wild.

[nocturne dust]

BB too slow

[proper osprey]

I love knife on melee psyker

[nocturne dust]

You still have to dodge

[last shore]

Do you know the tech?

[proper osprey]

skill issue

[last shore]

To BB behind LOS?

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[last shore]

Ok

[nocturne dust]

Not really tech, lol

[last shore]

So just start the BB and crouch behind cover. You good

[nocturne dust]

It is, for BB

BB plz

stop sucking

🙏

[proper osprey]

I gotta play my identity crisis psyker

[proper osprey]

It’s mah favorite blitz

[nocturne dust]

If I as the Inferno psyker have to BB a sniper, my team is either dead or braindead

which is fair and happens

[last shore]

I mean

[nocturne dust]

but ew

[last shore]

A lot of shit happens in h40

[proper osprey]

I just automatically do it

[nocturne dust]

We can like off-meta

I like devil's claw

[proper osprey]

I do too

[nocturne dust]

I like the idea of charged strike

I like thammer

[last shore]

like a sniper or elites during bosses and you let your team focus bosses while you kill elites and bubble your team. Situations like these, you can inferno/BB

[proper osprey]

Dclaw on psyker is so fun

So good

[nocturne dust]

Sure.

[proper osprey]

Haven’t tried the heavy sword yet

[nocturne dust]

BB is still bad.

[proper osprey]

False

[nocturne dust]

The fact it's the only option for one specific build for very niche situations changes nothing, it is still quite awful.

[deft stump]

Time crisis???

[proper osprey]

What

[nocturne dust]

Shush you, come back when you can solo h40 with nothing but your bare hands, smh my head

[last shore]

Is it awful if it rounds out your weakness of having no range for anything beyond 15m?

[deft stump]

Funni arcade game where you are on the clock shooting terrorists and such.

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[last shore]

Ok.

[nocturne dust]

It being the only option does not exclude it from being awful

[deft stump]

There's the reload which has you take cover.

[last shore]

Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it

[proper osprey]

I soloed a 40 as stealth zealot it was like 14 minutes

[nocturne dust]

You literally never want to pull out BB on Inferno

any moment you do is a massive drop in DPS even on single targets

[proper osprey]

What I do it all the time for dogs and trappers

[nocturne dust]

the only time you do is for targets like snipers, and even then it is highly preferable literally anyone else deal with said enemy

[nocturne dust]

Just... burn the dog or trapper

They run at you and get in range all polite like

[last shore]

There’s maps and sections where you won’t be using inferno and your team is just pew pewing from range and you’re sitting there like

[proper osprey]

[last shore]

You’re telling me you don’t use BB?

[deft stump]

Ppl might be busy still, especially in a weird team comp.

[nocturne dust]

I do use BB, but it's never consequential

It is literally 'bored, gotta pass the time' material

[last shore]

Ok.

[nocturne dust]

Like, I get your argument, but using a thing doesn't mean it's good. It fills a very, very small niche and that's problematic in and of itself. Blitzes probably shouldn't be that highly specialized. That's why it's bad regardless.

[last shore]

Did you not see what I said

[last shore]

^

[zealous mango]

Seeing a pysker using smite 90% of the whole match in auric mael almost never switching to melee and kept using smite no matter if it is small horde or few enemies on sght

[nocturne dust]

I saw.

[zealous mango]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-12-emoji12-cat-stare-stare-cat-uhh-gif-9567425571520721039

[nocturne dust]

My point stands.

[last shore]

Nothing to lose. Period

[nocturne dust]

I'm not arguing for taking smite, so I don't see your point

or assail for that matter

[last shore]

You said it has no use

[nocturne dust]

tho assail could work if we ignored the nodes it prevents you from taking

[last shore]

Then we tell you some

[proper osprey]

I use bb for flamer, bombers, trappers, and dogs

[last shore]

And you just don’t want to be wrong

So you’re one of those

[nocturne dust]

Sorry, it has no good use

[quartz barn]

Yay another smite apologist

[nocturne dust]

It being the only option is not a good use

[quartz barn]

Also bb is usefull in havoc when you run a close range setup and theres enemies far away

[copper jay]

So what are builds for havoc ? Only Inferno one?

[nocturne dust]

If you're running Havoc 40 on a close-range setup and nobody else is dealing with long-range, you have problems

[quartz barn]

But its more for cleaning up gunners behind you or alerting the next group rather than something that makes your build

Ignoring kf obv

[last shore]

Because havoc 40 always goes as planned and you don’t have boss situations or map/sections where you can’t use inferno at times. Those situations doesn’t exist

Yep.

[quartz barn]

I always use purg

[nocturne dust]

No?

[quartz barn]

Because i can dodge in place

[nocturne dust]

When can you not use purg?

[quartz barn]

Only time i dont is when its just a monster, in which case i melee

[last shore]

Drop off section at first med stim in dark communion is one example

[nocturne dust]

Also purg boss dps is actually good

so uh

do that

even without uncanny, it is good

[quartz barn]

Wait purg shines at that section lol

Just move to the left

[nocturne dust]

Again, you are being inconsequential with BB

[last shore]

Nah you’re just moving goalposts

[nocturne dust]

The real reason you're not dropping is to stick with the group, not to use BB

[quartz barn]

First bait everything to the medi, clear group at the door

[last shore]

You went from BB having no uses to now situational

[nocturne dust]

[quartz barn]

Then use bubble to path into the dropdown

[nocturne dust]

You consider 'gotta pass the time' a use?

[quartz barn]

Pick off remaining enemies, clear new horde, spawn boss

Not that hard, literally just map knowledge

[last shore]

There is a use for it. You’re acting like there’s NO time you’ll ever use it and it’s a huge dps loss

Stupid take

[nocturne dust]

Also, this is only if your group is overly hesitant to drop

[quartz barn]

No you force them

[nocturne dust]

Uh, no

[quartz barn]

You always path as psyker

[nocturne dust]

I freely admitted I use it

but it is always a DPS drop

[quartz barn]

You literally path with bubble and can even frontline without through EE

[nocturne dust]

and it is a huge dps loss

that is undeniable, all you need is targets in range of purg, and purg has 15 whole meters of range so you don't even have to get close

[last shore]

Yeah

[quartz barn]

Ye only time you actively bb mid horde is when you want to peel for your team

[last shore]

I definitely don’t know how to play psyker

Tell me more

[quartz barn]

Why talk like you dont then...

[nocturne dust]

Well, clearly not since you seem to think BB has a use

Like, if we removed BB from Inferno builds, literally you would not notice for 99.99% of situations and the 0.01% you would, wouldn't change anything really

[last shore]

Sure

[quartz barn]

Lmb purg with kf onetap is nice tho

[nocturne dust]

You can take smite with Inferno, and I literally have for memes, and nothing changes

[quartz barn]

But those are kinda rare xd

Wait ur trolling lmao

[nocturne dust]

Smite Inferno is trolling, yes

[quartz barn]

Mfw you cover while also need to be covered

[nocturne dust]

but it's hilarious to combo crushers with it until they die

[quartz barn]

Kinfa the same thing tho

Seen too many rending trauma bois use smite for cc

Like why

Just shoot the ground

Same argument different loadout

[nocturne dust]

I mean, smite is undeniably easier to use

so that's probably why

darn noobs

[quartz barn]

But ye tl dr just use blitzs to path your tree and dont bother using them outside of edge cases since your weapons just do more

[last shore]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-point-went-over-your-head-the-point-gif-8730078

You came in halfway through the convo and didn’t see deadvoid saying you never use BB. That was the point

[nocturne dust]

It wasn't, and for all the accusations of moving the goalpost you made, you sure did move the goalpost.

I repeatedly acknowledged multiple times BB has hyper-specific usecases.

I also repeatedly stated the actual point, almost to nauseum, that BB sucks.

[last shore]

#psyker-class message

Yes I moved the goalpost

Totally was me.

[nocturne dust]

#psyker-class message

For someone angry about being treated dumb, you sure did treat others dumb.

[last shore]

What did I say was wrong?

[nocturne dust]

#psyker-class message

[last shore]

Where is it

[nocturne dust]

#psyker-class message

[last shore]

What did I say was wrong?

[nocturne dust]

My point is here are several messages where I say 'ok'

If you were truly arguing for that point, you would've stopped there

#psyker-class message

[last shore]

Sure buddy.

You’re saying a blitz is bad just because you “rarely use it”.

[nocturne dust]

#psyker-class message

here where I rephrase the point

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[last shore]

But it has good uses

[nocturne dust]

[last shore]

It’s situational

[nocturne dust]

Nope

No

It is situational, yes

[last shore]

Actual dumb take

[nocturne dust]

But those situations are 'it's the only option', not 'it's a good use'

[last shore]

What

[nocturne dust]

So, bad

[last shore]

Do you even hear yourself? 💀

[nocturne dust]

I do

[last shore]

“It’s the only option for me, damn, that’s bad, wish I didn’t have it”.

This is hilarious

[nocturne dust]

When did I say I wish I didn't have it? Wow, that seems like moving the goalpost there

Pretty neat, catching a hypocrite

[last shore]

Goes back to my point of better to have it and not need it than to not have it and need it. It rounds out a weakness if you ever need to use it. So it’s good in that principle

[nocturne dust]

Okay, but I never disagreed with that point

🤷‍♂️

Lmao

[last shore]

You just did

[nocturne dust]

I didn't?

[last shore]

^

[nocturne dust]

How is that disagreement?

[last shore]

If it’s the only option and you have the means to deal with it, it’s a good use

Like if you needed a situation for long range oh shit moment but you took smite,

[nocturne dust]

Good use? Sure. BB still bad.

[last shore]

You’re really one of those huh

[nocturne dust]

If you have this highly specific scenario where BB is the only option, sure, use BB

[last shore]

Never wants to be wrong

[nocturne dust]

Lmao

No u

All you do is bad faith arguments

[last shore]

All right. Well I have better stuff to do. Got work to do.

[thorn cedar]

is someone debating void again

[nocturne dust]

I refute your points, but you just say I'm bad

[last shore]

Just a guy who started out saying you should never ever touch BB then moved goalposts. Funny.

[nocturne dust]

Lmao

Metawise, yes, BB is bad and you shouldn't touch it when there is any other option.

[deft stump]

It's over BB. Void said BB bad. BB is situational. Void says bad still. BB gud for long range/out of range targets. Void still says it's bad. So take smite. Also bad.

[thorn cedar]

you have to excuse him, he's partially lobotomized

[last shore]

I noticed

[thorn cedar]

we're still working to schedule the other half

[marble crater]

I use BB to get KF procs. Then also for Trappers and Hounds that run around corners, far away snipers, maybe specials that just spawned and there is nothing else happening.

[nocturne dust]

It's the equivalent to devising a scenario where the only option is a devil's claw parry, and saying Devil's Claw is consequently good because of such a scenario

The logic does not follow

[marble crater]

Just agree on BB is good in the situations you should use it in

[jovial juniper]

[nocturne dust]

My point is that it's actually bad because in the situations you use it in, the rest of your team is falling flat really hard

or, y'know, it's very inconsequential as a 'just passing the time' usecase

[deft stump]

What did you expect from pugs or ppl/friends slacking off.

[marble crater]

But it's really good at the passing the time

[nocturne dust]

Mmmmmmmmm, would rather a revolver

or a vraks

or a recon

or a 🅱️istol, loathe as I am to use such a barbaric weapon

[marble crater]

But then you probably use Assail anyway, so you don't have BB to begin with

[weary idol]

brain burst is so good that the only builds that take it are the ones that never use their blitz

[nocturne dust]

If only I could swap a blitz for a gun 😭

[weary idol]

and they take BB because they never use their blitz and its the only one with a passive benefit

[nocturne dust]

truly the best blitz

[torn kernel]

EP scriers bb machinegun build incoming

[dull scroll]

realistically it's going to be a choice between BB and smite

[marble crater]

Literally why I am using BB with EK

I switch maybe once per mission for a sniper, that's it

[dull scroll]

if you got like a purge, then BB is nice

[torn kernel]

i know bb can't crit but i wanna do it for the meme

[marble crater]

BB that triggers KF is kind of a crit

Double BB

[dull scroll]

but then again smite can stun crushers, so it's a throw up

[quartz barn]

Eh just dodge

If youre running a staff everything but purg can stagger them unless you have the shrek mod

And if you play gunker you can one/twotap melee them with scriers

Also for purg its usually better to keep beaming because you clear everything around them or melt the other crushers in the pack so teammates can clean up easier

[thorn cedar]

there's a shrek mod?

[quartz barn]

The green fuck you ranged dmg modi

[thorn cedar]

my beloved said you should leave my swamp

[dull scroll]

that's what I have been doing, but now that I really think about it, it might be better to stun everything until crushers go away, then resume flaming

[quartz barn]

Ye but you rarely run into that situation

[dull scroll]

ha, I wish I can say that

[quartz barn]

So its still better to run bb for better neutral

But ye fair it depends on your confidence

Would you rather have to run towards ranged goons to be able to do anything or dance with crushers

First one relies more on the team imo so id rather dance

[dull scroll]

you got a bubble to hold off the ranged, and then there's your team that can also take out ranged

crushers though, you have a lot less options

[nocturne dust]

Just flee and let your team deal with it

Answer to everything

The stealth zealot way

[quartz barn]

Stand in the middle of the horde to draw aggro

Take no dmg because on point dodging

[nocturne dust]

Or just spam dodging

[quartz barn]

Nah if you time it poorly you get clipped

[nocturne dust]

No, you really can just spam dodges, the only issue is refreshing them but that's why blocking exists

[dull scroll]

they are also doing that hateful chain heavies nowadays

[quartz barn]

Oh ye i dont do that

[dull scroll]

whichever dev came up with that 😬

[deft stump]

Agile.

[quartz barn]

Hmm i should prob swap off kd

[nocturne dust]

Imagine wasting a-

[nocturne dust]

Don't you dare

[dull scroll]

Agile unironically is turning up in a lot of ds4 I've inspected nowadays

[deft stump]

Runs off with Dueling sword in one hand and TacAxe in the other.

[quartz barn]

I mean it was ok before i tanked captains while the team cleared the other monster

But now i let the team 3 man yhe captain while i juggle the second plus horde

[nocturne dust]

If you swap off KD, I will be momentarily dissatisfied with you before forgetting in two minutes.

[deft stump]

I had it the day I made my first DS4 lul.

Tacaxe as well.

[quartz barn]

Kd = big dmg loss

[dull scroll]

if you think about it, if you are not using ds4 as primary damage and only pulling it during emergencies agile serves better than that crit thing

[nocturne dust]

Death = biggest dmg loss

[quartz barn]

Better keep attacking and just dodge lmao

[quartz barn]

Actually ye

[deft stump]

Less damage is still damage. Blep on floor means 0.

[dull scroll]

also the additional weakspot bonus helps with crusher and mutie head pokes

[quartz barn]

Poggy too

[nocturne dust]

I use thrust

[dull scroll]

he, I had thrust and uncanny, now it's agile and uncanny

[nocturne dust]

Ew

Thrust is so nice tho

[dull scroll]

it is

but running out of dodge when you need it 😭

[nocturne dust]

I'd honestly swap away uncanny before thrust for some builds

[nocturne dust]

Use KD

[quartz barn]

Thrust agile

[nocturne dust]

or better

push

[quartz barn]

2 stam

[dull scroll]

KD doesn't help with nets, or dogs, or flames, or snipers, or or

[quartz barn]

Still doable tho

[nocturne dust]

I mean, if you're running a knife/ds4 you should bring a stam curio

but even if you don't

[quartz barn]

No

[nocturne dust]

you psyker

you have pushes

[dull scroll]

also the fact I got shilled into this 2 stam meta KD peril block cost now sky rockets

[nocturne dust]

which is why you dodge those and block the walkers

[quartz barn]

Wat

You get hit by walkers

[nocturne dust]

2 stam is not meta

[nocturne dust]

no, because I block them

[dull scroll]

I got dogpiled the other day in this chat for saying you can't skip 3 stam curio on ds4

[nocturne dust]

No random surprise walker backstabbing me

[dull scroll]

turns out you can still spam push at 0 stam on this class

[nocturne dust]

Well yes

but the stagger isn't there

[dull scroll]

so the only downside really is just the higher KD peril block cost

[nocturne dust]

If you don't have enough stam you'll push but it won't work all the way

For example, bursters won't fall over

[dull scroll]

what do you mean, does it not work with burster/dog?

wait what

[nocturne dust]

si

Better have that stam

[dull scroll]

I'm going to test this right now, holy shit almost screwed me over these mofos

[nocturne dust]

At least that's what I've noticed, could be a lag thing for me I guess where it showed me pushing but I couldn't I would test but I'm too lazy

[verbal thistle]

all pushes have the same strength

that was probably lag

[frail harness]

Did the Obscurus move set change?

[verbal thistle]

yes

[nocturne dust]

I believe you because I'm too lazy to figure it out myself

[dull scroll]

okay it's fine, 0 stam push does work

but still, KD doesn't extend you almost inf block duration now, peril goes up fast, gonna need them inf dodges

[thorn cedar]

if you have literally 0 stam you can't push, but 0.1% stam will

[nocturne dust]

Would be funny to have a 0 stam regen delay

[thorn cedar]

KD value rises exponentially with your flat stamina value

[dull scroll]

this class regens stam illegally fast

[nocturne dust]

Vet can do it too if you sacrifice your tree

[thorn cedar]

yea psyker base is 0.5s, best in the game

zealot will still regen more in 1s intervals though

[deft stump]

I wonder if you can have a legit build without going super broken stuff that doesn't care about talents for it.

[dull scroll]

if vet can have this kind of regen normally, dead shot would be meta every build

one can dream

[deft stump]

I know.

Free crits.

[wet cloak]

That moment when your overkill damage is almost the same as damage dealt with FGS. It sure is effective, efficient though? Ehh

[azure parcel]

what keystone works best with VB/Bubble? EP, or Warp Charges?

blitz is BB

[prime elk]

warp charges

not worth investing in EP for BB

[azure parcel]

hmm it's a little point starved because I'm going to the right

for that warp buff from soulblaze node

[nocturne dust]

Wat, souldrinker?

[upper sun]

🚬 tfw someone posts your idea on the forum 4 months after agets 11x the updudes

[fathom adder]

Never seen anyone recommend Souldrinker, let alone go out of their way to get it

[nocturne dust]

Don't make the detour to souldrinker.

[azure parcel]

ok, any reco for VB/Bubble tree then?

[nocturne dust]

Souldrinker is pretty bad. You can't refresh the buff, the toughness regen is wonky and doesn't work properly

[azure parcel]

ohhh

[azure parcel]

no crit aura?

[nocturne dust]

not worth the extra point

switch wildfire to battle meditation if Havoc

[azure parcel]

even on fire VB?

[nocturne dust]

Uh, hrm

Normally you taking rending trauma for Havoc

[azure parcel]

this is for auric

not good enough on psyker for havoc yet

[nocturne dust]

I did say switch if Havoc, soooo don't switch

oh, or are you talking about crit aura for fire VB?

[azure parcel]

yeah

[nocturne dust]

2 points for crit aura isn't worth

even on fire VB

You could get extra points by dumping KF or KD, but then you would probably want warp battery first

but KF is pretty good with trauma, and KD is always good to have soooo

More people do let go of KD for VB, but again, spend it on warp battery first 🤷‍♂️

[patent mango]

dump every talent

[icy flower]

that's a bit too rash

but to be fair psyker has some trash in the tree

[patent mango]

psyker has a lot of easily avoidable slop

[icy flower]

Wildfire, Empyric Resolve, Kinetic Presense...

[patent mango]

i cant believe perilous assault exists

it coulda been a 5% tdr node and that would be better

[marble crater]

Empyric Resolve is not trash though

[icy flower]

it is one of the worst talents that penalises you twice

worse peril control, kills your survivability

[patent mango]

pots is right beside it though

[icy flower]

well that one just doesn't work

at least once they fix it

it will be fine

[marble crater]

You don't really notice the toughness penalty and you can cast more for more damage and better survivability with KD

[icy flower]

I very much do notice it though. Especially in havoc. Having ER really hurts.

you barely get any toughness back on shriek with it

[patent mango]

lock in

[icy flower]

but without it you constabtly peril dump and get full toughness back

and since you get to 100% peril faster, you also dump more often

[patent mango]

oh i got kf3 beta

lets see if its slop or not

[marble crater]

I use it in havoc all the time and don't have any problems, because you either sit in the bubble anyway and since you have so little toughness I just go all in on health instead

And having lower peril generation is pretty nice because of the quell speed penalty

[icy flower]

you won't recover enough toughness once a poxwalker hits you if you have ER though. At least without it you can recover before getting hit again and dying.

[clear heath]

This is for voidblast?

[marble crater]

Dunno, I just saw ER slander and disagree

[clear heath]

I don't see how the lower peril generation can really hurt you on voidblast. You can pretty much always generate as much peril as you need

people complaining they can't generate enough peril must be afking randomly or something

[patent mango]

i can take er for fgs and instead of 3 peril i'd get 2

[clear heath]

lower peril gen means you can do more casts while actually staying at high peril for buffs

[marble crater]

Anyway, I don't value toughness highly in havoc because of the % reduction, so I use health and since I sit in a bubble I couldn't care less about the 'toughness penalty' you kill so much that you can still keep toughness full, but that's just me

[patent mango]

isnt havoc cjust -base toughness

[marble crater]

Now that I'm used to it I probably won't even switch off KR once the other talent is fixed

[icy flower]

I was mostly talking from inferno\shriek perspective.

[azure parcel]

So you skipped the start of the convo and jumped in the middle with an unrelated take?

[icy flower]

no

that was a different convo altogether

[clear heath]

i think it's actually valid to pick the other node for inferno shriek because peril gen can get annoying on it
but that's why i asked for staff to be specified

[marble crater]

Shriek can be a special case, if you kill fast enough to have shriek off cooldown before you are high enough peril again, chances are you don't need to shriek again

[plucky flax]

Only noobs use shriek pros use bubble to protect teammates.

[marble crater]

Use shriek to protect teammates from dogs

[icy flower]

shriek chads rise up vs bubble plebs

[prime elk]

you use shriek to do more damage and save teammates. i use shriek because i like the sound of my own voice

we are not the same.

[upbeat kestrel]

Pros use ogryn as shield

[icy flower]

weirdly enough, I heard some different voice lines in videos when psyker is in 3p vs playing in 1p

with the same voice type that is

[plucky flax]

Tru

Shield oggy op

[marble crater]

I should use my ogryn I haven't played in several months in the next havoc run

Just spam taunt and shield heavy attacks right?

[copper jay]

What are the secrets moveset of the force greatsword ?

[fiery stratus]

Not really a secret, it just pokes on slide i believe. Use the 6, better single target, not really any looping combos like the other one, but like i said it's good enough with light spam for clearing. Heavies handle all the other elites

[prime elk]

nah use the 8

[plucky flax]

Carry us (karien) this weekend

[deft stump]

Only Oggy I know uses Pickaxe in H40, so..............

I think my icon is the team's shield at that point.

[deft stump]

Nu, you.

[plucky flax]

[fiery stratus]

Hes right, the 8 is the better single target with light clearing.

[marble crater]

I actually do need to do havoc this week, I skipped it two weeks already

[fiery stratus]

I haven't done a havoc in like 3 weeks

[rough cradle]

nobody understands my torment of being asked to switch to bubble psyker

[icy flower]

I do. I die inside every time when this happens.

[deft stump]

I scared everyone I played with away, so... you know.

[rough cradle]

brainburst+flame psyker with fart as a failsafe in case i aint got that few secs to quell 🗣️

[deft stump]

Also, Nomad title but the insert 3 at same time impossible as a duo, so eh.

[icy flower]

I quell with Shriek

[edgy heart]

is penetration of the soul still bugged?

[marble crater]

Yes

[upper sun]

excise vault is up
its dogs

bros,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

[rough cradle]

psyker fart players will rise once more

[jovial juniper]

Already?

[upper sun]

yeah

[weary idol]

awoo

[jovial juniper]

Damn
It must be FS 20s

[rough cradle]

soon to come auric maelstrom: excise vault (hunting grounds, extra poxhounds, waves of poxhounds, enhanced poxhounds, extra poxhounds)

[deft stump]

I need the insert 3 capsules penance reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Did the skull though.

[deft stump]

Are you asking me to go assail?

[rough cradle]

not even the might of assail will save you sibling

accept your fate

[crystal cobalt]

EP smite solves doggos

[jovial juniper]

*Nurgle Blessed

[deft stump]

I'm dropping a frag then.

Sorry, 4 frags.

[rough cradle]

you get hit with another dog horde

says here uhhh
checks game director
shit, another poxhound horde with another in the next 30 seconds

[deft stump]

So I drop more.

Demo team.

[vernal frost]

gunlugger finally playable letsgoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[rough cradle]

sorry man i don’t make the rules

game director says you WILL not have fun tonight

now have another hound horde, and another, and an-

[azure parcel]

ok warp charges with VB is much, much better

but it also kinda screws over any BB use

[marble crater]

The solution is simple, don't use BB

[analog agate]

One of the reasons I don’t do havoc is cause I am kinda forced to do bubble. I 90% to pubs

[dull scroll]

you could skip and watch your teammates get gobbled by burgle 👍

[azure parcel]

yeah I know it's kinda ass but it does help sniping gunner emplacements

[analog agate]

Oh well, only 8 more (or 7?) and I just do whatever lvl is available in the party finder

[thorn cedar]

just dont run bubble

very simple

[azure parcel]

I feel like my damage totals when running VB are lower than they should be

is it because I'm running fire VB?

[thorn cedar]

lower than what?

in general you arent doing much damage to anything outside the epicenter but you are doing that damage to the correct enemies

[mental grail]

Not with that attitude

[azure parcel]

other psykers running purg / electro

[thorn cedar]

purge is a given

electro has a habit of overkilling most targets it hits that arent specials/elites

[azure parcel]

hmmm

[thorn cedar]

and most use it for lmb spam which should be discredited outright if theyre doing the macro

[azure parcel]

yeah I think I've seen people use the macro

because their lmb shoots like a fucking machine gun

and I'm like bro no way is this humanly possible

[thorn cedar]

yea its exceptionally shitty gameplay

i want moebian 21st to be suppression immune

[light elm]

What might be the best way to aquire Cliffhanger?

A brother is struggling

[dull scroll]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/z1g9kh/how_i_got_the_psyker_cliffhanger_penance/ first result on google

[light elm]

Reddit?

Thats like consulting with the dark gods

[brazen rampart]

Queue chasm station with an ogryn friend using shield. Wait for horde spawn, have ogryn plant at the edge of the bridge. Shriek to push a bunch of chaff off the ledge.

[light elm]

Now to find friends

[azure parcel]

I'm gonna try cliffhanger next time I have Gloriana on the board

[brazen rampart]

The ogryn doesn't even need to be a particularly high level, either. They just need a shield.

Their only purpose is to gather chaff.

[light elm]

Im 400 hours in this game and cliffhanger is the only class based steam achievement i need 😕

Its funny cause on paper its not that hard

[marble crater]

With all this cliffhanger talk I feel obligated to post this again #psyker-class message

[copper jay]

How do you do single target damage with the 8 ?

I tried Illisi, I hated it

[fiery stratus]

Just heavy repeating, you can also loop the heavy, Heavy, Light, then charge for a heavy again. Repeat

[deft stump]

Illisi is for hordes... WDYM ST?

[copper jay]

Too fast and too easy like the one handed sword on Vermintide 2

[fiery stratus]

Illisi isn't made for elites really, better with a secondary that handles elites and illisi clears

[marble crater]

Follow up after the push attack is a stab, also nice for big targets

[fiery stratus]

FGS/Deimos are probably the best elite/single target weapons for psyker. Other than like Duelling Sword, but that's incredibly broken

[copper jay]

The horizontal slash heavy are doing same damage than vertical ones ? (Light + Heavy + Heavy)

[deft stump]

I mean, it's a simple horde clear.

[copper jay]

I want force sword to be thematic with Psyker ! So force sword or greatsword for me haha

[deft stump]

I always question how ppl fail at hordes with it.

[fiery stratus]

The 8 has a horizontal diagonal kinda slash after the push. I do that then do repeating lights for the clear

Kinda mix it up

[copper jay]

Oh ! I succeed ! But this is boring and I dont like it haha

[deft stump]

For complex and force swords, go Obscurus or summthing.

Dook's so complex, I don't even wanna go near it.

[copper jay]

Not Deimos ?

[strong gulch]

You can try the Obscurus. It's got horde and single target combos. Otherwise either FGS is your all rounder.

[deft stump]

Deimos is simple single target, lul.

[fiery stratus]

Deimos is better single target

[deft stump]

It's like the ST ver of illisi.

[fiery stratus]

Can probably light spam to clear, but there's no looping clear combos for it

[copper jay]

FGS seems to have a lot of little tricks (more than just spam ?)

[strong gulch]

I think that's specifically what Ludwig doesn't want. Simple combos.

[deft stump]

Why, if you are looking for complxity, the obscurus is what you want. Jack of all trades, complex to heck compared to the other two.

[copper jay]

Yes ! I want fully immerging in a weapon and full learn it !

[copper jay]

And as much effective ?

[strong gulch]

FGS

[deft stump]

Why I'm not looking for strongest, just something for him to try if he wants to play around complexity.

[copper jay]

Oooooooooh ! Thanks 🥺 This community is so incredible

[marble crater]

Not Obscures

[strong gulch]

I summon @broken carbon and @buoyant maple for obscurus talk.

[strong gulch]

but it's different now

[deft stump]

Well, it's not the strongest, but it is the most complex.

[copper jay]

FGS Force Greatsword pattern moves

[deft stump]

Price of a jack of all trades.

[copper jay]

(Using keywords to find the image later)

[prime elk]

Learn relic blade instead lol

[buoyant maple]

@copper jay
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1315586614495547485/lol.mp4?ex=6757f303&is=6756a183&hm=0fbea70325e78a350fcb6db2feab58f353799df47e58cb19627b1a99848ac81d&

[prime elk]

Really rewarding weapon to learn

[strong gulch]

I will one day remember to learn. One day.

Too trained to forget it.

[copper jay]

Insane !

[copper jay]

Sorry, too much Zealot and Veteran already in game

[prime elk]

? Relic blade is way more interesting than any psyker melee

[copper jay]

Usable in havoc ?

[prime elk]

If you want an interesting and rewarding melee weapon, that's your boy

[prime elk]

Yes one of the meta options for zealot

[copper jay]

Ok sell me the Zealot then 👀 And the relic blade

[marble crater]

Literally can't die every 2 minutes

[prime elk]

Isn't it every minute?

[buoyant maple]

2 mins

[broken carbon]

hi what

[prime elk]

And also much more brain on but simultaneously ADHD gameplay

Way more interesting than psyker

[deft stump]

Ehm, what is 120 seconds?

[prime elk]

Also it's fun turning into a human blender

[copper jay]

But do you have the bubble to protect all your allies ?

[strong gulch]

From a quick search and no personal testing on obscurus combo:

single H1 L L
horde L3 H2/H3

[broken carbon]

good melee damage, decent enough ranged, hard 2 kill with proper builds

also chastise is awesome

[prime elk]

You protect your allies by killing shit before they can shoot lol

[strong gulch]

Talking about obscurus in these modern days.

[broken carbon]

don’t need a bubble when u can chastise and dive the gunners and kill them all

[copper jay]

But ... You dont want me to play Psyker ?

[broken carbon]

wha

[broken carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-siren-dawg-with-the-light-on-him-sailorzoop-dog-gif-2844905554045249724

[dull scroll]

FGS have better push and heavies, but relic's toggled light can cut carapace, both have insane melee range

[copper jay]

And what range do you use with relic blade ?

[deft stump]

He wants to play psyker, but everyone keeps telling him to go play Zealot. He's asking for the god Osbcurus combos and such to try. Cos he wanted complexity.

[dull scroll]

you use at melee of course, it's a sword

but it's long enough you can cut ragers while they can't cut you

[deft stump]

Thing is, He found the Illisi boring, and with how the Deimos combos be like, would also be boring.

[broken carbon]

oh

[dull scroll]

the peak psyker melee is FGS, do not peddle these less swords to the new comer!

[broken carbon]

melee range

also if you want complexity

use crusher

or mk3 evis

[buoyant maple]

Crusher is not that complex

[copper jay]

I mean ranged weapon what do you use with the relic blade

[buoyant maple]

Go with DC7 or knife 6 for complexity

[broken carbon]

any

[broken carbon]

how is dclaw 7 more complex than crusher

[deft stump]

Knoife mk 6 complex? Wot.

[dull scroll]

bolter/flamer top zealot choice

[broken carbon]

yeah

knife 6 isn’t complex either

[buoyant maple]

Crusher has 3 combos total and u can just PA spam like half the time lol

[broken carbon]

crusher has multiple combos that can be used for every situation

[broken carbon]

dclaw 7 isn’t more complex

nor is knife 6

[buoyant maple]

DC7 is more complex in terms of swapping attack patterns

And so is knife 6 tbh

[broken carbon]

how it’s literally just heavy

[buoyant maple]

Any weapon that has different push combo from push attack combo is already more complex than crusher

[copper jay]

Maybe i'll give a try to Zealot ... But seeing this class everywhere playing by everyone on every lobby is not really interesting ...

[broken carbon]

the vet main says about zealot…

[buoyant maple]

What

You think I’m not upset about veteran’s melee choices or smth

[broken carbon]

huh

how did we get to vet melee

[dull scroll]

Vets got a power sword that can two combo a crusher while still clears like relic, what's there to complain about

[marble crater]

I'm also upset with vet melee choices, take their dueling sword away

[buoyant maple]

What’s this even supposed to mean lol

[broken carbon]

ur a vet main saying crusher, a zealot weapon, isn’t that complex

when it very much is

[buoyant maple]

Yea cuz it really isn’t

[copper jay]

I like the Force sword for the thematic push even against big target

[broken carbon]

relative to all other weapons

it is more complex

[deft stump]

Ehm.. USE DUELING SWORD ON EVERY CHAR. Flees.

[broken carbon]

i wish we had more complex weapons

[buoyant maple]

Relative to a duelling sword IV yea it’s 20x more complex

[hearty wolf]

Using no weapon is more complex than using a weapon

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-gif-13326687

[dull scroll]

simplicity is best, most complex probably psyker you have to worry about a million things

[buoyant maple]

But then again duelling sword is such a low bar in complexity that 0.1 vs 2 is ultimately not that much different

[dull scroll]

much more fun if you just spam light on a relic 😌

[deft stump]

I failed to stop the argument.

[buoyant maple]

Actually @broken carbon u just gave me a great idea I’m gonna include melee weapon complexity rating as a metric for steam guide

[clear heath]

there is no complexity
u just press buttons

[young falcon]

But you do have two paths out of PA? H2 to light spam for horde clear or PA to L2 H1 for bonk fiesta.

[buoyant maple]

That’s why it’s so simple imo

Because u can direct chain L/H to immediately swap combo with PA

Which is already its strongest attack

Unlike some other melee weapons where the PA combo is not the same as push combo

[young falcon]

You worded it to seem that there were no PA combos to path out of

[buoyant maple]

For example, relic blade II, your PA cannot immediately chain into single target (both L and H are horde sweeps)

You have to use a different combo where u push then attack to go into single target

Whereas relic blade 10 can PA directly chain into either horde or single target which makes it far less complex in terms of what u need to remember to do

[clear heath]

knife 6 complexity is a weird topic because there is technically a lot of depth on how you can combo it, but it also doesn't punish you for doing things suboptimally most of the time

[strong gulch]

If you add complexity to the weapon profiles, please add a disclaimer or definition of what "complexity" means to you. @buoyant maple 🙏

[autumn lark]

I hope you arent slandering mk2 path

https://tenor.com/view/gogeta-angry-stare-scary-serious-gif-9595046672430067305

[buoyant maple]

No, I’m just saying it’s more complex than mk10 relic blade

[clear heath]

like if you record and watch footage and try to count the number of times someone did a suboptimal move on knife 6, you'd probably lose count
but it also doesn't matter that much

[autumn lark]

Good

[buoyant maple]

Added complexity for a higher single target attack

Vs brain rot spam

[young falcon]

Clearly the answer is for fighting game inputs with my melee

https://tenor.com/view/ewgf-ewgf-spam-green-rank-kaz-kazuya-mishama-gif-2541543987969735339

[buoyant maple]

I might

[strong gulch]

Also what someone's hands can do.

[buoyant maple]

Depending on how long the melee sections are

I could add an extra 1-2 paragraphs about why I consider X to be less/more complex

(It would also only be gauged for veteran since veteran having abysmal stamina management really changes the availability of some combos)

[autumn lark]

Mk2 has overhead looping and the uppercut overhead loop for single target

[young falcon]

Still think there should be toggle options baked in instead of mods for holding vs active clicking

[buoyant maple]

For example
Rashad on zealot is like 0.2 complexity
Rashad on veteran would be like a 0.7

[strong gulch]

I know you already have some terms defined. So it seems within the wheelhouse of the guide to have a small something to determine what complexity is.

[strong gulch]

YES. Huge agree.

[buoyant maple]

I think I’ll also include 2 separate tier lists for weapons

One for performance

One for talent cost

[dull scroll]

wait what, why would they be different

[buoyant maple]

Lower attack speed, less stamina, worse stamina regen, worse stamina regen delay

Result: you can’t spam PA nearly as often as on zealot which makes it easier to blow up when fighting ragers

[young falcon]

What's the ETA for the guide now with that planned

[buoyant maple]

Same 3-5 months
Complexity metric would not be hard to add

Bulk of the missing stuff is melee weapons combo display

[strong gulch]

I know vet gets better with more talents, but I have a baby vet and the dude CANNOT go anywhere without being completely gassed. lmao

I am chronically ill and have to walk around with a cane. I am deconditioned and it feels like I can walk and swing more IRL than a baby vet.

The base is just... lol

[worthy wasp]

Dclaw is goated

[young falcon]

You'd think a Vet could sprint for days 🤔

[strong gulch]

or at least across a room

I'm being hyperbolic now but not by much

[buoyant maple]

Do urself a favor and run 3x sprint efficiency curio perks

It’s a big difference

[dull scroll]

is that just for lulz or actually recommended

[strong gulch]

Curios?? When I get em I can.

[buoyant maple]

I do actually recommend them
But only for veteran and ogryn

[deft stump]

Did one of those show back up again?

[buoyant maple]

3x is ~162.8% sprint duration

[deft stump]

Need cardio.

[buoyant maple]

Unless u give up DPS/utility talents to get stamina regen delay nodes

It’s a far bigger benefit than stamina regen curio perks

[young falcon]

Surviving darktide missions seems like more than enough cardio

[deft stump]

Need more, clearly.

[buoyant maple]

Sprint efficiency doesn’t matter too much for zealot (especially since they have higher base stamina regen rate so stamina regen perks scale better)

And psyker has such short base stamina regen delay that sprint efficiency never comes into use basically

[deft stump]

Ehm, takes forever to refill my 12 bars of stam though.

[young falcon]

Need more levels with "run for your life to extract" endings I guess.

[buoyant maple]

That’s gotta be a meme build

[deft stump]

True.

[deft stump]

That's just me because game hates my psyker with 21% and 17%s.

[buoyant maple]

1% health and toughness don’t make a big difference

[deft stump]

Also, I would use it for tanking DH for MM anyway.

[jovial juniper]

That's what I'm saying 🗣️
Or at least carry a Lasgun without consuming tons of stamina

[marble crater]

Makes a big difference to my 'OCD'

[deft stump]

My highest toughness on psyker is 14% and 17% HP.

Also, OCD.

[clear heath]

I actually still don't think taking sprint eff instead of stam regen on zealot is a bad idea if they sprint a lot.
Higher bass regen also means you get more value out of sprint eff as well. More stamina to sprint with

[deft stump]

It's already hitting my 17% on my vet is 420 and not 430.

[clear heath]

zealot stamina benefits both either way

[buoyant maple]

Speaking of complexity I rly wanna know which genius thought the best horde clear combo for mk8 FGS should be [double swap + light twice] on repeat

[deft stump]

Maybe Hank can tell you, lul.

[autumn lark]

Ex fucking scuse me

[copper jay]

And what are good combos for horde (Light light cancel block light light) and for Single Target/Armor ? (Light Heavy Heavy ? Push attack Heavy Heavy ? )

[autumn lark]

The entire light attack string is sweeps

[buoyant maple]

U can go test urself

It’s faster than light attack spam

[autumn lark]

And you can heavy light loop for sweeping

https://tenor.com/view/crashout-skeleteon-skeleton-meme-skeleteton-crashout-screaming-gif-2819917983570648755

[buoyant maple]

H1 is not much better cleave than light sweeps

For some reason

[autumn lark]

Bro wtf

[dull scroll]

what you saying, light spam is not the best horde clear for mk8? what is then

[buoyant maple]

Quick swap (twice to get back to force greatsword)
Light attack twice

[analog agate]

It isn’t light light swap light light?

[buoyant maple]

On repeat

It’s a little bit faster than pure light atk spam

[analog agate]

👍

That has been known

[buoyant maple]

Idk which genius came up with this

[dull scroll]

interesting, gonna test that out, first time hearing it

[analog agate]

Someone said it I think on the first day it came out. Maybe paradise

[jovial juniper]

QQ combos 😭

[prime elk]

Too much work

[deft stump]

Not paid enough, also, MK6. Flees.

[dull scroll]

never mind you need a macro or keybind for this, constant swaping means you can't wasd move

[buoyant maple]

yea

I'm too lazy to change keybinds to use this

[analog agate]

Any of these swap things are easy cause I rebound my prim/sec up and down on wheel. So that is nice

[fiery stratus]

8 also does a horizontal slash with a light while sliding looks like

[strong gulch]

I'm gonna paste what @patent mango said for FGS 6.
"hordes lllh elites heavy spam
sometimes i do lllh for elites anyways cause theres hordes too (might be peak on high buffs)
h1 l4 overhead spam good when im on high buffs to 1 shot gunners faster (l4 wont 1 shot on havoc)
h1 l4 for scab captain shields always idk why it just seems to do it well
whenever theres ogryns and at least some horde i wanna do special even at half essence to max malefic and get 1 shots
max special is best against gunners/shotgunners
sometimes i try to get some essence from the special slash melee portion but thats goofy with hits cancelling it so idk
bulwarks can frick off so just open them with either max essence wave or pa
i always do the funny sprint attack against separated 1 shottable elites cause it cool
ermm
light spam is ok if theres gunners mixed in horde
and ur at high buffs
whenever light goes to bottom left the follow up is heavy stab so its good to frick over some random elite if they're annoying you as you horde clear

max charge is also funny for staggering all the ragers
not that they'll have much hp after
h2llh2 also exists idk ig its cool to get some horde clear done together with ogryn clear
h2 stabs are peak for rager murder and cspawns
idk if i can yap anything else this is all for mk6 idk how much is useful either"

[copper jay]

OUAH THANKS

[strong gulch]

Ye.

[copper jay]

Are you godsend ?

Because you seems so

[strong gulch]

Sorry I don't have a wall of text for the mk 8

[copper jay]

FGS 6 MK6 combos patterns attack force greatsword (keywords for future users)

[strong gulch]

Thanks! I love when posts are searchable.

[copper jay]

Potota you seems so wise : What are you thinking about people trying to pull me into Relic Blade Zealot ?

[strong gulch]

OH!

It was I who Pringled you Warudo.

[strong gulch]

I can be wise, but I also sit here in chat a lot.

My take is if you really want to lean full into melee, zealot is the way.

BUT if you want the magic stuffs and force weapons, psyker is your class. While psyker is less forgiving and has few buffs for melee, you can do plenty well as a melee psyker.

You don't have to choose tho. You can do both.

Because you're interested in the psyker things and that's where you were originally pulled, I think you should keep with psyker.

Pysker doesn't come togther until high investment tho.

[copper jay]

You convinced me to continue to play Psyker

I'm lvl 24, soon lvl 30

[strong gulch]

Oooh very nice.

[marble crater]

Soon you can actually play the game

[copper jay]

And t he bubble is so much fun

[copper jay]

I survived with the force swords, bubbles and BB

Assail was too fast too boring

[deft stump]

Assail is just there to make lvling up less painful lmao.

[copper jay]

force swords did it to me

[strong gulch]

At least for auric, most melee or gun psykers, aka gunker, use SG. SG is scrier's gaze. It gives you a bunch of buffs on activation, but there is a node that increases movement speed by 20%. That node is pretty nice with FGS.

Warp speed is the node.

[copper jay]

I like too much bubbles (and help my allies)

[marble crater]

You will change your mind

[copper jay]

When ?

[young falcon]

When nobody stays in the bubble

[analog agate]

I have moved to the mk6 over mk8 fgs. Just feels better

[marble crater]

Just happens with experience, getting better, getting bored, getting frustrated

[clear heath]

I would also like to point out that special doesn't actually need to be full charged to stagger ragers
It just staggers them anyways
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1315913789044035604/fgs_ragers.mp4?ex=67b766f7&is=67b61577&hm=81c9f4018e2d5018e1c99451fccea672c04f5019f92e247a23fc7e826613facf&

do note that the projectile has most of the stagger
i think some enemies don't stagger if you hit with the blade but not the projectile (like when they're too close)

[copper jay]

This seems so much better than Relic Blade from the zealot ! More strategic

[warped perch]

Hello screaming mushroom

[clear heath]

it's actually such an insane stagger tool

hi stan

[strong gulch]

If you enjoy bubble, then you enjoy it. It CAN be aggressively used.

But like Sut said, time and experience generally makes you want to try other things.

Shriek is damage and utility while SG is GO TIME.

If you go into high havoc, bubble is almost always used, and that has burned a lot of people out on bubble.

[clear heath]

bubble is very useful
but do try to learn to play without it if you're new

learning to dodge and slide through bullets is a useful skill

[strong gulch]

If you have 2 full bars and a bunch of smaller elites, you can get some pretty juicy kills. That FGS special also goes through walls. So you can undog people with it in funny ways.

[copper jay]

Enough meta talk ! What is your favorite Psyker personnality ?

[strong gulch]

I have 4 fem seers, so that one.

[clear heath]

I have male loner. i like the toxic banter

[copper jay]

Loner female but it becomes boring

[copper jay]

This is like playing Kerrilian

[clear heath]

I think my favourite flavour of toxic banter comes from judge zealot though

[strong gulch]

seems on brand lmao

[young falcon]

Male seer likes to sing when killing trappers. Love him

[marble crater]

Male seer and female loner

[icy flower]

I actually deleted my first character, because I got tired of voice lines

even if he was lvl30 with two 17% toughness acc

female loner has pretty funny lines

cynical, but not cruel

[marble crater]

When did you delete the character?

[clear heath]

i think you can change personality now

[marble crater]

You can

[icy flower]

like 2-3 months ago

[marble crater]

Rip

[clear heath]

you probably could've just changed

[icy flower]

you can't change from dude to female, I think

[marble crater]

You can

[icy flower]

oh well

not big loss tbh

[young falcon]

You can't mute voicelines? I wouldn't but surely there must be an option....

[icy flower]

I am far further with my psyker now that I was

[jovial juniper]

Savant

They just have the best (not really) lines in the game

[crystal cobalt]

Savant is an ex-cop, instant 0/10

I like Loner

[jovial juniper]

I like my french lady and my creole gentleman

[crystal cobalt]

peak gremlin energy

[icy flower]

Loner woman says "sweet brute", right?

[crystal cobalt]

that's Seer iirc

[icy flower]

Hm, maybe I am running seer then

I just remember she has pretty distinct slavic accent and says "sweet brute" when talking to ogryn

[crystal cobalt]

hum, maybe they both do then

[buoyant maple]

loner doesn't say sweet brute

seer does

loner is the worst personality in the game

[crystal cobalt]

blasphemy

[buoyant maple]

savant says "large associate" for ogryns

[crystal cobalt]

we love the Gremlin

[buoyant maple]

that's what loner is

blasphemy

[crystal cobalt]

even if they should already have been executed for how heretical they are

[vernal frost]

is loner the one that had bugged voicelines

foreshortened lifespans

[buoyant maple]

straight up worst personality in the game bar none

[native cedar]

Someone doesnt like loner

[icy flower]

I wish there was better voice modulation for psykers. Like what vets have.

[vernal frost]

all personalities are good if they dont mention cadia in any way

[buoyant maple]

there's no coincidence that the worst aura in the game shares the same name with the worst personality in the game

[icy flower]

On the other hand only cosmetic i like is the robocop one anyway

[copper jay]

At what moment do you hear the voices ?

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-laughing-don't-laugh-don'tlaugh-ishowspeed-laughing-gif-15284676702826611657

[crystal cobalt]

damn, you feel very strongly about this

[buoyant maple]

nah I think it's alr

loner just happens to be the worst overall
can be saved by voice modulating headgear

same goes for cutthroat

normal cutthroat 3/10
scion helmet cutthroat 8/10

[crystal cobalt]

so you dislike the voice but not the voicelines?

[buoyant maple]

both, but mainly the voice

[native cedar]

Put that in the steam guide

[buoyant maple]

I might unironically do

[crystal cobalt]

i'll allow it

[buoyant maple]

scion helmet makes cutthroat so much better it's like they're 2 different characters

[cosmic sigil]

You mean British girl faking an accent and guy from Zimbabwe?

[cosmic sigil]

He's still saying Cadia this and Cadia that

[buoyant maple]

I tag enemies often and I only hear him speak abt Cadia when using ability & cheering