psyker-class

[upper sun]

also there was a dh at the previous rescue point so i didnt wanna risk looping there

[fallen pier]

@upper sun alright this is it then?

[lapis violet]

never upgrade the warp resistance

yes

max out the power so quell speed is 80 or at least 75 and keep warp res as low as possible

[upper sun]

yup if you wanna take it to havoc get the quell to 80 but everywhere else its perfect

quell speed is nuked in havoc so every bit helps there

[fallen pier]

gotcha, will take note1

[lapis violet]

they even fucked with quelling..?

what about plasma venting?

[upper sun]

i have no idea dont really play vet

[thorn cedar]

wouldnt matter for vet

you just left click and never overheat

[upper sun]

stable plasma tech only found in a dumpster in one hivecity classic warhammer

[strong gulch]

Seconding what DeadVoid said. #psyker-class message

Especially if the other psykers have SB builds. SB application is regularly stolen but EK and Voidblast because of increased range and generally have the peril gen to shriek more often for longer range SB app.

[sturdy reef]

soulblaze voidblast is still very good in havok

unless you have an inferno staff, you should run sb vb instead of the rending shockwave one tbh

[marble crater]

I had my first real clutch, now my hands are sweaty and I need a break

[patent mango]

clutch fans vs panicking and jumping off the map accidentally enjoyers

[marble crater]

If I had managed to fall of the map in that area I would delete the game

[blissful solar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1334710158525202443/99vpAu6.gif

[patent mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/794801623036854302/1165501685792251924/crumple.gif

[velvet crescent]

psyker level 30

is nice

[marble crater]

Yes, psyker before lvl 22 or so is not nice

[deft stump]

Or panic trying to clutch.

[marble crater]

You need to force yourself to calm down

[autumn lark]

i no joke ran off of the map on archivum lights out once

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

Nu. Panic is how I run.

[marble crater]

I do fully believe that you use panic as fuel, yes

[deft stump]

It also wakes me up so...

[rough trail]

can someone rate my psyker setup

assail vent purge

maxxed out bolt pistol

maxxed out 2 handed force sword

(ovb its a crowd control build pistol for high damage stuff like ogies and ragers)

[radiant frigate]

purge?

[rough trail]

the thingy where you let out a shockwave

and it gets rid of peril

its either scriers gaze bubble or the one i have

[radiant frigate]

i see

usually we just call it vent or shriek

[rough trail]

i use it for shtf

there we go

[radiant frigate]

anyway, what keystone?

[rough trail]

warp siphon

i feel like i can do more with my perks

psyker perks are poopy compared to zealot

[radiant frigate]

if you think that then you haven't played with disrupt destiny

[ashen marsh]

survived my first havoc 40 last night jumped from 16 to 40 in 2 matches. I think I got very carried

[rough trail]

which is that

[radiant frigate]

right side keystone

[rough trail]

how frequent does that happen

like how frequent are you under the influence of the keystone when shit gets bad

bc of my mushyness i rely on shtf perks and stuff

[radiant frigate]

if you're not sitting around doing nothing (like in an elevator or airlock) disrupt destiny is 100% uptime with the 10s stacks

[rough trail]

shit, then ill swap

thx tho

my other build is the same but with brain pop, maxxed strike staff and tactical axe

[wheat cairn]

What y’all recommend for ranged weapon? I kinda like the electro staff but feel it doesn’t do enough damage especially boss fights (beast of Nurgle, chaos spawn,etc) thanks in advance. (Level 30 Psyker. Shards and bubble shield)

[radiant frigate]

zapstick is good but best when combined with shriek

[rough trail]

i say the strike staff

good for mobs

good for 1 on one with ragers

good for those crusher squads

[radiant frigate]

zapstick generates a ton of peril and deals with single targets, and 83%+ peril shriek will clear clear entire hordes by itself

[rough trail]

not to mention it knock them down which helps for damage/ supression support

[marble crater]

EK + Shriek my beloved

[radiant frigate]

voidstrike is good but different

[rough trail]

personally i love it

[flat shadow]

i understand the appeal of voidstrike but i just cannot aim it for some reason

[rough trail]

my entire teams been down and i singlehandedly handled a crusher squad and a BoN

[crystal cobalt]

slow projectile speed, my nemesis

[rough trail]

the i play controller so i get how it might be woerd with pc

[crystal cobalt]

enemy wiggled their toe even slightly? miss

[wheat cairn]

I don’t think I can convince myself to replace the shield for shriek lol that shield helps huge when a horde hits with a bunch of ranged units. Not many psykers I run into have the shield.

[rough trail]

[marble crater]

Shield protects from ranged
Shriek kills the ranged

[rough trail]

does it tho?

i use shriek as the zealots cross thing

[marble crater]

Yes, max stack shriek kills all trash and also puts a good dent into elites, if you then kill one to proc Perilous Combustion you can start a chain reaction that kills the remaining elites within range

Shield and shriek are both amazing, depends on your playstyle at the end of the day. I prefer shriek for everything that's not high havoc

[wheat cairn]

My way to deal with weak ranged and elites are shards. just my downfall on my class is ranged damage on bosses. Greatsword does wonders but just lacking a bit in ranged. But I thank you all for your insight. 💪

[radiant frigate]

if you want ranged boss damage

dumdum infernus reconlas

or viag

[marble crater]

My ranged boss damage is the rest of my team, while I clear trash and keep specials away

[radiant frigate]

you have a team?

[marble crater]

Sometimes

[rough trail]

use bolt pistol

excellent for mild sniping and rager/mauler encounters

[radiant frigate]

maulers aren't really a problem if you have a competent melee weapon

if already running assail then that more than solves ragers since it just stunlocks them to death

[rough trail]

not when im jhigh peril

ill just magdump or use surgical when hes running

[plucky flax]

Instruction unclear died to mauler overhead

[patent mango]

instructions clear mauler died to overhead

[light berry]

I'm more of a scryer's gaze/dueling sword psychker myself. I take out hordes solo before they even reach the rest of the team

Decapitated heads flying every which way 🤣

[rough trail]

how do you guys like the dueling sword

[patent mango]

not equipped personally (ds2 is fine actually i like it)

[light berry]

I just switched and love it

[wooden sand]

Because sword

[light berry]

Crazy fast attack speed works well with crit build

[wooden sand]

Duh

[rough trail]

i use tac axe instead of thats why

[light berry]

I did that for a while but meh

[wooden sand]

You use it instead of Thats Why?

Damn

Weird name weapon

[rough trail]

great crit and penetration on heavy strike

flurry

good all-round damage and cleave meelee for my brain pop and srtke staff builf

[light berry]

I tried using a staff with scruers gaze and kept blowing myself up. So I use regular non warp weapons and finding it to be a great combo. Maybe it's not the best build but I love my squishy berserker psycher

[deft stump]

Am confused, someone got overheaded and then the mauler got overheaded by H1?

[patent mango]

yeah why not

[crystal cobalt]

I mean that is how Scriers is intended to be used

also it has a talent that makes it so you can't explode after using it

[deft stump]

Or just get gudder at edging. You get 1 blast per cycle.

Don't ask me how I know.

The things you do for 100% psyker penances. SG Strike 40 kills.

[crystal cobalt]

get gudder at edging

https://tenor.com/view/raise-eyebrows-gif-3379585795829632091

unrelated, if i'm using the cattle prod shock maul to level its mastery, what it do?

[deft stump]

Wat? It's just psyker things. You wanna edge your peril.

[wind spruce]

Its pretty shit, needs a bit of a buff

[deft stump]

You taze things and bonk them on their head for eh damage.

Also very annoying to have to H1 then H2/H3 loop.

[jovial juniper]

It procs skull crusher and high voltage and kills everything that isn't a boss

[crystal cobalt]

[wheat cairn]

And this is what I did. Annihilated a beast of nurgle on malice with bolt pistol and greatsword 💪 thanks gotta get this leveled up now

[rough trail]

yeah the bistol is cracked at big boi killing

[ornate hamlet]

It's my take on Loki

[tight scroll]

going from scriers and just not caring about peril to actually having to quell with void trauma

[rough trail]

imo take off tattoo to ake him look like a non psyker. adds to the merc theme

[slim shell]

opinions on bolt pistol ? if not that one which should i run

i usually main zealot , but i like closer combat

[upper sun]

boltpistol is perfectly fine

[slim shell]

okok

thank u

[rough trail]

also try out the revolver, theyre very similar

[slim shell]

yeah? okay i’ll do that too

i wasn’t a fan of either of the staffs tbh

[upper sun]

boltpistol can cleave through doors and minor barriors tho

[prime elk]

join gunker masterrace

[slim shell]

im still new ish to the game idk what that is🤓

[elder glade]

Psyker that adopted the 2nd amendment

[upper sun]

gun+psyker

[slim shell]

ahhh

[upper sun]

smkyker smite psyker
stafkyer staff psyker etc

[slim shell]

my friend got me into this game and now he doesn’t play it anymore so i’ve been fending for myself lol

[prime elk]

i think i learned about this

the right to bare arms was it?

[upper sun]

same happened to me

[elder glade]

Yes

[marble crater]

Bear arms actually

[slim shell]

like i leveled up my zealot then wanted to do my psyker then he just dipped

[slim shell]

and i’m like uh

[upper sun]

https://tenor.com/view/chicago-bears-gif-13223198

[slim shell]

what do i do now 😭

[prime elk]

like 🐻?

[marble crater]

Don't we look silly now

[upper sun]

level vet and ogryn penance hunt save up for peak weapons

[marble crater]

Stay in discord, ask for advice and play the game

[upper sun]

also that

[slim shell]

thank u guys

[nocturne dust]

And when I do purgatus I outdamage rending VB. 🤷‍♂️ And when I do VB, I outdamage purgatus 🤷‍♂️ Lmao, players exist at all levels in all modes.

Purgatus should easily win in Havoc. If it isn't, the purg player is probably not using it to its fullest potential.

(or spawns are being weird which is rare but does happen)

[dull scroll]

they are not wiping it around

pubs have stuck wrist

[nocturne dust]

Give it a lil jiggle, as a treat

[analog heart]

Can someone inform me on what a warp charge and how to do the warp battery

Penance

[nocturne dust]

Warp Charge is left-most purple nodes

Is buff

Kill elite/specialist (taggable non-bosses), get buff

Use ability, lose buff and reduce cooldown

For penance, do not use ability

[analog heart]

Thank you

[nocturne dust]

Psychic Vampire (one of the purple subnodes of Warp Siphon) also helps for the penance, gives you a small chance to get charges on any kill

[analog heart]

[analog heart]

Don’t I have to have warp battery modifier for the penance?

[marble crater]

No, the name is just an unfortunate coincidence

[analog heart]

Ok thanks

[strong gulch]

fatshark things

[marble crater]

Change penance names for clarity?
Change weapon names for confusion?

[strong gulch]

Also descriptions.

WHAT'S BRAIN BURST??? Oh I have to look at the fine print of brain rupture... below its descriptions to know.

[patent mango]

whats dump stat for voidblaze staff?

[marble crater]

Bruh

What's the voidblaze staff?

[patent mango]

its like the voidshock staff

[strong gulch]

I mean... it's WR

[crystal cobalt]

inferno or fire build Trauma Voidblast?

[marble crater]

Stop

[patent mango]

voidinferno

[strong gulch]

It's a joke.

ignore

[marble crater]

Can someone call the mods on this guy?

[patent mango]

mods!! mods!!!! crush this guys skull!!!

[crystal cobalt]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-9108075214677777615

[deft stump]

Good thing you can literally say Warp Resist to everything psyker.

[paper dust]

Oh great karien of the west

What is thy wisdom of the day

[deft stump]

You mean east?

[crystal cobalt]

Weast?

[paper dust]

Oh great kariend of the fluff

[deft stump]

Also, the lil gremlin is in bed, she woke mom up to nag her to actual bed.

[paper dust]

Can we hab pic

[deft stump]

She is in bed now.

I'm not waking her up for pics.

[marble crater]

Depends on where you are relative to each other I guess

[deft stump]

Eh, generally map says I'm in the Southern end of East Asia..

HEH.

[paper dust]

Not a pic of the great mischievous beast sleeping

[patent mango]

void autogun

[deft stump]

She sleeps with mom so... You know.

[paper dust]

Darn

Foiled again

[deft stump]

As said, I'm the only one awake at this hour.

[paper dust]

What time is it there anyhow

[deft stump]

6:50AM.

Only students might be awake at this hour, unless you work in certain jobs.

School starts in like 40mins unless things have changed, lul. Well, 30mins, then you sing national anthem and blah.

[marble crater]

Singing the national anthem in school is crazy work

[upper sun]

nah others do it as well

you're just not allowed to

[marble crater]

Others are crazy too then

[proud grail]

Best blessings for uhhh the funny flame staff

[deft stump]

Something something to unite something. I usually just glare and not care. There's also the pledge and such.

Not like it changes the fact I spent half my life bullied in schools.

[marble crater]

Nexus and Blaze Away

[proud grail]

Ty 💯💯💯

[marble crater]

Glaring seems like the best option

[deft stump]

I am eh at it.

[proud grail]

Best perks and blessing for dueling sword?

[deft stump]

Uncanny and something else.

[marble crater]

I'm starting to like uncanny and thrust, with carapace and maniac because I only use it for muties, maulers and crushers

[analog heart]

Does anyone know if I get warp battery modifier will I now have to be at 6 for warp battery penance

[marble crater]

You need to be at whatever your max possible amount is, yes

[analog heart]

Ok thank you

@marble crater on the build for brain blast you recommended me I was wondering why do I get in fire instead of vampire?

[marble crater]

Because that's what I use with Blaze Voidblast, so I apply a lot of soulblaze on enemies

Also works with inferno staff

Enemies just have to die while affected by soulblaze, they don't have to die from the soulblaze. Why does the description not mention that? Nobody knows

[analog heart]

[fast frost]

the whole point of dots is they ignore armour right?

or would rending improve dots?

[strong gulch]

They don't ignore armor and they benefit from rending and brittleness.

[marble crater]

The point of dots is that they are cool and based

[analog heart]

So if I were to use electro would I get vamp?

[marble crater]

That's what I do at least, I use shriek but I don't always have shriek so I use vamp

[buoyant maple]

They don’t ignore armor
DOTs have their own innate ADM

[fast frost]

just trying to understand it better why is dots such a strong thing against bosses if to my knowledge they cap? like ogryn flame heavy stub and like scrier recon do so good

[marble crater]

It's not so much that dots are strong against bosses and more that dots are strong against bosses compared to most other boss damage psyker has

You can also apply them and then switch to melee or brain burst and effectively deal damage with two of your weapons at the same time

[strong gulch]

Also dots shine on targets that live long enough to keep the DoT up that isn't crushers. I'd say carapace, but scab ragers still take a lot of damage from SB and regular burn.

[solemn atlas]

I'm looking for advice (build working well in havoc 40)
I'm having some trouble with toughness gain
The build is good but the only way I could get toughness back is if via killing
But for bosses at times I can't kill ads or sometimes there is non at all so would it be worth to have the node that replenishes toughness rather than warp kill node?

[crimson holly]

You have to pick the skull with the hourglass under brain burst

Everything else is a crime!

One of the most op talents in the whole game

[narrow herald]

I mean if u want more regen the only way you can grab that is from warp

[autumn lark]

using the crit aura instead to gigaboost scrier even more

[marble crater]

I have no advice without changing much of the build, except: why no Psykentic's Aura?

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-scar-fortnite-og-meme-gif-16336600376003879735

[solemn atlas]

Spray inferno into any crowd for soul blaze and brittleness then swap to greatsword

[narrow herald]

But Idk, for inferno I lean towards the left side of the tree. SG to me is mostly an ability you use for Assail and your Melee

[solemn atlas]

Inferno has crazy suppression too

[marble crater]

But like... Psykentic's Aura is arguably our strongest talent, it helps your team so, so much in havoc

[narrow herald]

Pen Flames is also kinda ass by itself

20% brittle doesn't provide much value

[strong gulch]

The only passive toughness gen psyker has, outside of coherency, is fully upgrated bubble.

[solemn atlas]

I usually play with 1 other psyker that has the talent

[marble crater]

Kinetic Resonance on the other hand is.... not good

[wispy bay]

stroking the force sword also gives regen.

[marble crater]

Both of you should have it, so both of your kills trigger the cooldown reduction for the team

[wispy bay]

If you take regen nodes for that.\

[strong gulch]

You could put a crit blessing on your FGS for mettle procs.

[marble crater]

The only reason not to pick Psykentic's Aura is when you play Assail and literally can't pick it

[strong gulch]

To be fair, SG comes up pretty quickly.

[marble crater]

But it's for havoc, I'm sure the rest of the team would appreciate the shorter cooldowns to do things

[wispy bay]

Psykenic is like the 2nd aura for psyker.

[strong gulch]

This person is doing a no bubble build. It's for them.

[marble crater]

On crack

[wispy bay]

Why bubble when you can spit fire.

[narrow herald]

Wait I just realized

No KD 😔

[strong gulch]

ye

Some people don't need or use it.

I am not some people. lmao

[deft stump]

But I had vent psykers with it because funny 4-5 books chained.

[marble crater]

KD good, having the ability to block without using the stamina you need to run is great

[strong gulch]

ye and ye

[celest valve]

afaik yes technically dots cap but also the cap is still relatively high damage?

[deft stump]

@paper dust She came to steal buttered bread.

[paper dust]

why is third look like she jumping

https://tenor.com/view/dog-gif-20110795

[deft stump]

Weh?

She's splayed on the floor waiting for bread.

[patent mango]

powerful

[mental grail]

You fucking know what?

I'm going to queue into public

and I'm NOT going to join a match where half the team is fucking dead

https://tenor.com/view/fine-tune-fine-tuning-fine-tuned-copium-walter-white-gif-4796770362564082802

[inland ice]

you get a match where the entire team is dead instead

[analog heart]

Can anyone recommend a good talent tree for the shield wanting to test it out

[strong gulch]

For havoc? What ranged?

Also do you mean bubble/ dome?

[analog heart]

The telekine shield

What does havoc and ranged mean

[strong gulch]

Walls and dome are both telekine shields.

Ranged = ranged weapon

Havoc is a game mode at a different console. Like standard vs auric but a whole other mode with a different meta.

[analog heart]

I’m using electro staff but I’ll switch and I just want the shield that will block the most damage for the penance

Normal mode

[strong gulch]

Dome is the easiest to do that with. Take inferno and a melee that can handle crushers and bosses.

If inferno isn't your thing, here's a slightly different tree for voidblast. If you're doing fire voidblast, you can keep In Fire Reborn or Psychic Vampire (mods on warp siphon keystone).

If you're doing the rending shockwave version, take Psychic Vampire, wildfire can be dropped.

A single target melee is recommended.

[analog heart]

Would the blaze greatsword be good

[strong gulch]

Yes, FGS (force great sword) is good at everything,

If you want to min max for this build, DS4 would be the "best" fit because it is better at single target things and has better mobility. FGS is good tho.

[fiery stratus]

Definitely recommend Duelling Sword if you're newer. FGS doesn't have a ton of mobility, and its pretty noticeable when primary and secondary are slow.

Still a very good weapon though.

[analog heart]

[ripe obsidian]

Any of you folks know what the big "1" next to my loadout is? I can't figure it out.

I know it's from one of these mods. Just dunno which, and can't find the setting.

Wait, I found it. It's Loadout Monitor, showing keystones.

[nocturne dust]

just disable midmatch joins

so you can witness them each die

[thorn cedar]

https://www.twitch.tv/exploitstv/clip/SteamyTawdrySalsifyBCWarrior-XAo1OhWp7xY_Hv7n

[strong gulch]

@topaz copper It's fine.

https://tenor.com/view/april-fools-joke-dog-its-fine-this-is-not-gif-16757454

[hollow current]

hello, yes. I'd like ALL of the specials please.

[sturdy reef]

voidblast gaming

[blissful solar]

https://tenor.com/view/chat-gif-21339216

[wind spruce]

Those are the best matches to queue into wdym

[deft stump]

Not everyone enjoys having to clutch.

[marble crater]

Don't even need to clutch maybe, but missions where your team is not great are more fun

Having 4 people who all play very well is also very boring

[deft stump]

Yeah, but if you drop into a game where 2 people are already dead and the last might be going down...

[wind spruce]

That is the least based thing anyone has ever said

[celest valve]

drop into failure immediately

[vernal temple]

damn I was a really lazy bastard last week
I'm not worthy of the "40" next to my name lmao

[fading patrol]

And now the true test. Hold fast! Or expire

[radiant frigate]

ringing ears.. blurred vision.. the end approaches

[fading patrol]

Teetering on the brink, facing the abyss

[deft stump]

3 'nades down, if I load in with 'nades even.

[radiant frigate]

how quickly the tide turns..

[deft stump]

IDK, I have loaded into a match with red nades and red ammo.

[fading patrol]

Mortality clarified in a single strike

[radiant frigate]

(when you get hit by an overhead)

[fading patrol]

Reason : lack of faithgolden toughness

[deft stump]

And people wonder why I drop in blocking and spamming VoC already.

[wind spruce]

You get immunity for a short duration after you drop in...

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-i-do-not-utter-here-gif-18408399526059396680

[clear heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1310092662317252692/spawn_killed.mp4?ex=67b405df&is=67b2b45f&hm=55bc48d862c29159e77a819803079c11d62f3ef87efe2cfc8409f56d5d082637&

[deft stump]

Doesn't matter if you drop into a crusher pack.

[crystal cobalt]

banished to the beans dimension

[deft stump]

With 0 'nades.

[wind spruce]

You still don't need to be spamming it.

[wind spruce]

Should've been spamming block

[clear heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1310092188809429082/loading_net.mp4?ex=67b4056e&is=67b2b3ee&hm=1d37449fad834a6736eb3125aa6d28c8c5441c07c5846d9f7ec2166e33ec3b41&

[fading patrol]

https://youtu.be/mpzaxHE284c?si=BJylTQaWcdet1XOu

[clear heath]

amazing game

[radiant frigate]

immensely cursed

[deft stump]

Would VoC even work in that situation? But yes, too many possible awful drop in situations.

[wind spruce]

Should've been spamming block

[wind spruce]

BLOCK YOU SCRUBS

[glacial vapor]

I was literally blocking

[wind spruce]

You're supposed to block figuratively

Rookie mistake

[glacial vapor]

Ah yes, I see my error now

[deft stump]

I feel like the game probs takes too long to 'fully load in' so you can't even move instantly or risk falling off the map.

[nocturne dust]

Yes, you see, you weren't blocking hard enough to block bugs

[clear heath]

blocked so hard he blocked floor collision

[cold geode]

Immunity you say?

[deft stump]

This just makes me think the immunity is a lie. Unless it's immunity to collisions.

[cold geode]

https://tenor.com/view/aperture-science-portal-cake-gif-337613894489529080

[nocturne dust]

I mean, programmatically, invulnerability is quite often superseded by off-map murder

because otherwise you get problems where the player just doesn't die and gets stuck outside the map

[deft stump]

True, but the joke is more, it gave you immunity to collisions.

[nocturne dust]

It gives you immunity to existence

[jovial juniper]

Transcended the barriers of physical existence, Bro might be Tzeentchian

[deft stump]

If you mean Void, maybe he is.

[shut marsh]

-# Any rations here?

[marble crater]

Here you go, sweet brute

[shut marsh]

[vernal temple]

[late sphinx]

psyker chat gets this immortalized too cause I love you even if you're all insane

[marble crater]

[cold geode]

[deft stump]

Wot.

[nocturne dust]

I can neither confirm nor deny that the convoluted labrynthian madness that is my mind may or may not be Tzeentchian in nature.

[deft stump]

Sure...

[vernal temple]

white background discord is not real, it cannot hurt you

[weary idol]

you see white background when you're at high perils of the warp

[cold geode]

I've heard you see discord light mode flash before your eyes when you die

[warped perch]

Cats can’t do cocaine

[junior rivet]

then explain that kitty doin it

[fading depot]

They can if you make them

[quartz barn]

Mine will prob try anyway

Fucker ate the ethernet cable last time and actually likes it

[junior rivet]

thats not a cat, that's a data demon

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/view/rivulet-cocainer-rain-world-slugcat-gif-136916313215724756

[weary idol]

https://tenor.com/jjN2oOpivHb.gif

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/r6hxqsy9m0w.gif

[upper sun]

tfw no event........

bros....

[patent mango]

bigfish.... i need event.... make this one spawn 500 cspawns...

[thorn cedar]

i want two chaos spawns to share my body lady and the tramp style

[crystal cobalt]

[jovial juniper]

FS

Wave of Trappers

Plz

[shut marsh]

👊

[upper sun]

i predict a new boss

[primal oasis]

Hey everyone! New to dark tide and Psyker but grinding levels to 29 and sadly still struggling to do well. How should a Psyker handle bosses? I’m currently using a gun Psyker build and melee results in me getting 2-3 shotted usually

[upper sun]

for surviving in melee dodge what you can block what you cant and try to manuver hoards so that nothing gets behind you/out of your cleave range

for dealling with bosses you can use melee but personally i just use brainburst since its easier

[primal oasis]

This will sound like a dumb question, but other than a light attack and heavy attack and a thrust with a dueling sword how do you cleave?

[marble crater]

I handle bosses by staying far back and using brain burst as well psyker has bad boss damage, generally speaking

[glacial vapor]

Melee/Gun/staff for bosses depending on your setup

[buoyant maple]

u start by not thinking about cleave on a duelling sword

[glacial vapor]

Or BB as the others have said

[buoyant maple]

it's called a duelling sword for a reason

[glacial vapor]

Just remember to block and dodge when it targets you

[deft stump]

A.K.A. 1VS1 ME.

[primal oasis]

should I change out of the dueling sword?

[upper sun]

everything cleaves to some extent depending on the weapon and attack

[marble crater]

Cleave is something every melee weapon does automatically, it's just a stat that determines how many enemies you can hit. Which is pretty irrelevant with how the duel sword attack work

[deft stump]

Unless DS2.

[marble crater]

Entirely depends on what you want to do, if you want to fight hordes with your melee then use something else. If you want to poke big targets then keep it

[primal oasis]

The dueling sword does work well against elites that get really close range for to me so I’m feeling like my best bet is brain bursting bosses from far

[weary idol]

melee psyker with...brain burst?

[marble crater]

Sure, but like... why

[deft stump]

IDK.

[weary idol]

I'm just too used to using assail to get malefic momentum value I guess

[marble crater]

It's a new player, everything is allowed

[weary idol]

https://tenor.com/view/luna-cat-judging-gif-7737049233510949865

[deft stump]

Bonk with pop, yes.

[primal oasis]

There’s also no way to get some kind of sight added onto a gun to confirm I’m hovering over their head instead of just beside it right? I’m asking for whenever I’m trying to do long range kills and aiming at a tiny head.

The regular iron site is OK and all, but I still can’t confirm if it’s gonna be a headshot or graze/miss

[marble crater]

There is no weapon customization like that, no

[weary idol]

PC mod can do that

it's rough on performance tho

[primal oasis]

Nexusmods it is!

[patent mango]

with mods you can make the most horrible things ever

[weary idol]

what the fuck is that

[crystal cobalt]

least demented 40k weapon

[patent mango]

the uhhh uhh death uhh cant see anything gun

[jovial juniper]

Push attack (6.5 cleave)

[weary idol]

anyways it's literally just called weapon_customization

on the modding discord there's also several plugins for it that add fucked up attachments and scopes that don't work

[patent mango]

its hilarious

the one i posted is just a very specific bug

[primal oasis]

Push attack for distancing them is what I should try using?

[patent mango]

you cant usually make that lmao

[patent mango]

lmao

[marble crater]

Anyway, most of the fighting is in close or mid range at most. I don't think a scope is really necessary

[patent mango]

some sights suck

[jovial juniper]

If you need to create distance on a 1v1 then use your special

[weary idol]

oh also it lets you put a flashlight on any gun which replaces their special

so you don't get quickplayed into a lights out mission and suffer

[primal oasis]

For a newer player would a gun Psyker assail and gaze build be friendlier than the fire staff venting shriek one?

[weary idol]

if you aren't using gaze you aren't a gun psyker build

it's like the cornerstone of the playstyle

[glacial vapor]

Firestaff feels very safe tbh

[marble crater]

They mentioned using gaze though

[marble crater]

Probably not, gun psyker is even more class cannon than staff psyker builds

[weary idol]

well I would say personally that the usual gun psyker build is one of the most difficult builds to be consistently good with in the game

[glacial vapor]

Only problem with firestaff is you have only BB for range enemies, so you gotta rely on your teammates mostly for that lol

[weary idol]

up there with martyrdom zealot

And I can tell you I have seen some real incompetent trash players on inferno staff psyker that have True Survivor titles

[deft stump]

Still a lie, I can still see the top left corner of the screen.

[primal oasis]

Long range target is exactly what I was struggling with when I was working on the fire staff, which is what prompted me to switch to gun Psyker

I usually play with my buddy who is on console using a charging blitz skill zealot and is usually last in scoreboards so I thought switching to gun Psyker would help us with ranged targets

Now I’m seeing bubble shield builds that could help keep the team alive but man are there drastically different directions to go in

[weary idol]

the woes of psyker not having a dead side of their tree like every other class does

[plucky flax]

It's me

[weary idol]

flush with choice

[verbal thistle]

me

[marble crater]

Have you looked into playing veteran instead?

[plucky flax]

No it was me

[verbal thistle]

nuh uh

[plucky flax]

[plucky flax]

[primal oasis]

I saw a monster veteran last night that made me rethink what character I should have picked

It was a marvel to see the carnage

[autumn lark]

was it combine

[verbal thistle]

any class can be a monster

it all comes down to skill

[primal oasis]

I just love clutch bb plays and the Psyker toolkit

Vet might be my next one though

[glacial vapor]

Maybe electro staff might suit you better? It's more versatile than fire staff but it can be trickier to use because it generates a lot of peril. Great for elites and bosses. Need to use melee for the horde though

[elder glade]

You can honestly just have multiple set ups tbh. All of the them, especially when put into the hands of someone that knows what they are doing, can do some pretty impressive stuff all on their own.

[weary idol]

Vet is kinda awful to level just a warning

[primal oasis]

It feels like consistency and momentum are the biggest issues for me as well as situational awareness

[weary idol]

All of their best skills are way at the bottom of their skill tree

[marble crater]

Everything is awful to level for different reasons

[weary idol]

not ogryn

ogryn strongest

all their best skills right at the start

[primal oasis]

On missions where I have good momentum and high crits I’m feeling pretty satisfied. But it could just as easily flip the other way around and if I’m getting focused on my enemies and consistently downed preventing me from building momentum which comes back to my threat assessment and situational awareness

[primal oasis]

What blitz do you use?

[patent mango]

downside is that ogryn tree is eepy eepy mimir

[weary idol]

On who? Veteran?

[primal oasis]

Gun Psyker

Bb or assail?

[weary idol]

Assail

But it's only really useful in the context of gun psyker

[primal oasis]

I might try that instead of my bb and see how it feels

[weary idol]

Assail is primarily good for helping weapons with bad horde clear kill hordes, and it staggers ragers

[primal oasis]

Thanks for the talent tree

[brazen rampart]

You take surety of arms and not tranq through slaughter?

[elder glade]

I honestly have two builds for gunker, one with PA and another with assail. I run assail when there is another Psyker who is covering PA and when there isn't another Psyker I just run my gunker with PA.

[primal oasis]

I just came across a mister e assail gun Psyker build I’m going to test

[weary idol]

yes

[primal oasis]

PA?

[brazen rampart]

Mister e is a terrible source of information, it is generally a bad idea to use anything recommended by him.

[primal oasis]

Oooh man

[marble crater]

[brazen rampart]

This setup is more beginner friendly for gunker.

[primal oasis]

The build showcase looked fun. Is there another person to check a vid/guide on?

[elder glade]

Psykinetics aura

[upper sun]

push attack

[patent mango]

lmaoo

his vid was so goofy

[primal oasis]

I’ll read up on that talent

[brazen rampart]

You don't really need a guide for anything. Just ask questions here for information.

[patent mango]

i tihnk psykhanium is good for the most part

[marble crater]

Arguably the best psyker talent

[elder glade]

Yep

[patent mango]

what about perilous assault

[hot hamlet]

whats the dump for electro staff

[weary idol]

genuinely did not remember that talent was even there

[patent mango]

warp res

[weary idol]

warp resistance, same for every psyker weapon that has that stat

[patent mango]

oh my god

does it actually mald about the talent

[marble crater]

What about I block you

[patent mango]

thats funny

[marble crater]

I had to check where it was as well

[patent mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1184257191746752583/1312599702872653886/893645752_stare.gif

[weary idol]

enhanced descriptions mod yeah

it has bright red text warning you about talents and blessings that are useless/don't work

[patent mango]

yea i do use that mod its just uh

i dont think i've hovered over perilous assault in game

genuinely the only way for perilous assault to do anything would be psyker bolter

[weary idol]

psyker helbore

[elder glade]

psyker bolter when

[patent mango]

even vets dont use that lmao

bolter is fire tho

[weary idol]

I use the helbore on vet :(

[patent mango]

fr?

[lyric burrow]

its still a fine weapon most people just hate the sights

and there are better options but the ammo economy on it is very good

[weary idol]

it's okay

just pretty alright

Imagine what it would do with gun psyker

[buoyant maple]

I think it’s copied from kuli’s guide

[lyric burrow]

oh right it got new blessings too

[primal oasis]

Switching weapons faster is worth a talent point?

[brazen rampart]

No. Read the red text there.

[lyric burrow]

not for psyker no

[buoyant maple]

Weaker than on veteran

[lyric burrow]

everything is auto swap basically

[elder glade]

I don't believe there is a single time in which it is worth it at all

[lyric burrow]

its also far left side so taking it for gunker is annoying

[primal oasis]

Sounds like a terrible waste

[lyric burrow]

so even if we had bolter it would be a commitment

[marble crater]

He was being sarcastic

[jovial juniper]

Yeah
Helbore is one of the best ranged weapons in the game

And I'm not saying that out of bias

[primal oasis]

Yeah, it went right over my head lol

[jovial juniper]

It's just the draw speed being eeeeugh

[marble crater]

You sound pretty biased

[jovial juniper]

I am

Turns out giving me a weapon that can deal with everything at every range with good ammo economy was a good idea

[patent mango]

zamn

[lyric burrow]

i havent used helbore since like the start of patch 13 and it was still good then

i havent kept up with the new blessings on it but i imagine if they are also good its cracked

[primal oasis]

I saw a guy with a sword that seemed to slash and create a projectile wave

[patent mango]

force greatsword

[lyric burrow]

thats the new force sword yeah

[primal oasis]

It looked bad ass

[patent mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721520171365171284/1311019478313861191/caption.gif

[elder glade]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodborne-ludwig-my-true-mentor-my-guiding-moonlight-moonlight-gif-20321022

[jovial juniper]

💀

Hotshot is currently cracked

Armourbane not

[patent mango]

is hotshott actually good it scammed me

[marble crater]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721520171365171284/1311019478313861191/caption.gif

[brazen rampart]

Hotshot works on your melee.

[patent mango]

it said like +50 cleave at one point i think but its +50%

[primal oasis]

OK for hoard clearing I think I need to switch to that

[patent mango]

what

[jovial juniper]

Considering that it applies to your melee yes

[lyric burrow]

ew

[brazen rampart]

Yeah it works on your melee.

[patent mango]

if psyker had helbore itd apply to assail

[patent mango]

why do they keep doing this

[brazen rampart]

And it's 50% hitmass reduction on headshots.

Diet bm.

[patent mango]

that'd be so good if vet had a melee i really liked

[lyric burrow]

one day

[patent mango]

power fist tomorrow

[lyric burrow]

he will get a fun melee i couldnt also use on zealot or psyker

[patent mango]

power axe...

[lyric burrow]

🙏

anything atp

[patent mango]

i'd put all 3 technical melees on s tier fun wise

they're so peak

then top a tier would be like thunderhammer

[brazen rampart]

Mk1 shovel is goated.

[lyric burrow]

i could never get into the shovels but its been since they released tbf

[jovial juniper]

At some point past 13 they made it so all marks consumed the same amount of ammo on uncharged shots

[patent mango]

shovels seemed ok when i tried them idk

[lyric burrow]

oh word

[jovial juniper]

No more consuming 9 ammo on uncharged Mk4 shots

🗣️

[buoyant maple]

It wouldn’t be needed

[patent mango]

it'd be funny

[lyric burrow]

warp splitting already affects it so id imagine it would just be overkill anyway yeah

or at least i think it still does

[buoyant maple]

The problem would be how to get around 12 shots between a 3.3s reload time

[lyric burrow]

yeah that too i suppose

[jovial juniper]

Psykers got Helbore at home

Slug shotgun

cough

[primal oasis]

lol

[patent mango]

slugcatt

[primal oasis]

Is the bubble shield worth taking on lower difficulty missions?the tier 3 or 4 missions I mean

[patent mango]

not really

[primal oasis]

Alright gaze it is

[marble crater]

Everything is or isn't worth taking, depending on your skill level

[glacial vapor]

It works, just less necessary. You'll be thankful on more open areas full of gunners/shooters

[jovial juniper]

"No more hiding!"
Gazes all over Atoma

[glacial vapor]

Besides, you don't want to learn how to use the shield on the higher diffs lol. Placement can be important

[marble crater]

Place it on top of the gunners

[glacial vapor]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-lateralus-parabol-third-eye-tool-gif-16499016

How does the shield actually work? Does it only prevent damage from the outside getting in?

Because a teammate pushed a burster inside of the shield and we still took damage on the outside

Thought they made a genius play for a moment lol

[marble crater]

Shield blocks projectiles

It will block the bomber grenade from landing inside the shield, but if it explodes outside the fire will still get inside

So burster doesn't care

[thorn cedar]

yea explosion radii do not get blocked by shield

[vernal temple]

does this outfit make me look fat like a servitor?

[patent steeple]

I myself think so.

not sure why you would want to look like a servitor, but you do in fact look like one with that outfit...

man, I really wish I was good at the game so I could get some title other than just the Penance Points progression ones...

[patent mango]

technically dont have to be good to g et poxbreaker

[loud girder]

no you look like someone cosplaying adam smasher

[buoyant maple]

Yea, it’s just lots of grinding

[loud girder]

smasher before the nuke

[buoyant maple]

Poxbreaker kinda means a bit more than true survivor tho tbh

Just because it’s rarer

[loud girder]

you dont have to be good to get true survivor either
i almost got it myself

[patent mango]

get true survivor with 3 smite psykers and 1 th zealot

[vernal temple]

"almost"

[vernal temple]

I got mine as a bubble+trauma psyker, along with two book zealots and another bubble+smite psyker

[patent mango]

4 cdr relic zealots for ts

[loud girder]

i almost got it by being carried by two literal godryns after they broke spawns for 95% of the map
Thank god i died i dont deserve it

technically i didnt even die, i activaited my until death as zealot
got scammed fr

[quartz barn]

literally did a true surv run just now

already had it tho, but tbh those runs just come naturally when the team is good

[marble crater]

Unless the team is so good that people start trolling because they are bored

[hearty wolf]

Why are you calling me out for 0 reason

What is this slander

[tidal fjord]

Does anyone have a great psyker gunner build I could try out?

[strong gulch]

No DT for me. Brain fog too strong and servers too borked.

[upper sun]

🚬 every game i played since friday has either rubber banded me into getting downed or ended with a failed clutch

[fiery stratus]

[upper sun]

i think i legit have 3 wins since friday

[strong gulch]

Yeah. It's been so bad.

[strong gulch]

This is a standard tree for gunker, melee, and assail.

Shuffle things around to suit your playstyle and preferences.

[marble crater]

I would shuffle 21 points from the right side towards the left to fit my playstyle

[patent mango]

shuffle 2 points to the right

[patent steeple]

ummm... idk how to put this, so I'm just going to be honest: I have found a Seer's Presence Dome blaze trauma build to be somewhat effective, even while running it with True Aim to compensate for the lack of +5% crit chance from Prescience...

I know its not the most optimal blaze trauma setup, but I like it. The only issue is my lack of a safe damage option against BoN (I can't afford to take Empyric Shock), as I don't dare run into melee to DS4 heavy its weakspot...

[strong gulch]

If you havd BB, use that.

If not, BON is ok to trauma blast. Of all the monsters, that's the one to blast.

If you ever want to try to melee BON, you can get up in its face and side dodge it's vomit then stab it. If you have bubble on it, the vomit will be blocked so you can just mindlessly stab it. Just don't get slammed.

[patent steeple]

I use assail on blaze trauma regardless of the build details, because then I can kill gunners/shooters more reliably...

[strong gulch]

stam and boom then

[marble crater]

Use your team as boss damage

Cast thammer zealot at the heretics

[strong gulch]

kill everything yourself and get burned out

[patent steeple]

you honestly think I trust my team to deal enough boss damage that they wouldn't need my help?

[marble crater]

Works for me, sometimes

[brazen rampart]

Frankly, I'd just get good at fighting burgle in melee and stab it to death.

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

[brazen rampart]

If youre a bubble psyker you can easily kill it on your own with melee.

[fiery stratus]

How you have to play with randoms

[icy flower]

true and real

although I still have like 2 points that I would put under "questionable pick"

Kinetic Flayer and Battle Meditation being the two

and I wish Penetration of the Soul was actually working

[broken carbon]

i’d say drop battle meditation just due to having shriek

so u wanna have that peril on demand

for soulblaze

idk what to swap it too

what’s ur secondary?

infernus?

[icy flower]

ds4 + inferno stick

[broken carbon]

hrm

[broken carbon]

you could drop kinetic flayer and BM for kinetic deflection

[icy flower]

I actually took BM becase i felt Shriek doesn't come back fast enough to peril dump

[patent mango]

who up p laying tide game war tide hammer 40k

[strong gulch]

I take BM in havocs, if I'm doing staff SG, or I wanna play but brain fog is making things harder to manage.

Quell is real

[icy flower]

although what ends up happening it usually just drops me from 100 to 90s peril randomly during horde clears, so I keep un-POWing myself

I hate manually quelling tbh

so yeah

BM helps

[strong gulch]

kk

[icy flower]

tbh I think there is alternative setup possible

80 warp resist on staff

[patent mango]

1% warp res duelling sword

[icy flower]

and Inner Tranquility

[strong gulch]

I get it, but ahhhhh

[icy flower]

it kinda stabilizes peril spike

[broken carbon]

i wish we had a force sword that the special was an instant attack

like ds4 poke being instant

[icy flower]

I rarely find myself blocking tbh

it is a very good talent

[broken carbon]

yeah same

[icy flower]

just ends up wasted with me

[broken carbon]

i bring it almost to a similar reasoning to until death

where i rarely ever actually need it

but when it comes in handy it can save runs

[icy flower]

and it can't block crusher overheads as safety net when you have poor visibility, so..

[broken carbon]

and plus i run DD and its right there

[patent mango]

kd is in a really good spot

[broken carbon]

yeah

[icy flower]

yeah, if you use it, it is great

I just mostly slide spam due to gunners being insane currently

[patent mango]

gunners are silly rn

on havoc

[icy flower]

anywhere tbh

I started playing the game like 2 weeks before gunners got changed

change doesn't feel right, not to me anyway

had some pretty frustrating deaths, like being shot through grate in basically half a second

in that level that looks like subway

with up and down ladder

forgot the name

but you probably know the part I am talking about

broken lift right after it

[patent mango]

found dt endgame

[icy flower]

kek

I wish I could play whatever enginseer is

[tidal fjord]

Thank you very much

[patent mango]

gloriana time

[icy flower]

rip

may the omnissiah help you or whatever

with those levers

[radiant frigate]

karttide

[patent mango]

its real

[marble crater]

My kingdom for a team that doesn't run into the pox gas during a mixed horde

[upper sun]

ayo why are u so fast

[crude cape]

for high tier havoc, 35+
playing inferno staff + bubble standard 'meta' build

what perks do you guys run on your melees? (I use moslty dueling sword and force GS ofc lol)

i typically have flak
what about the second? Since we burn most things I was considering carapace or unyielding. Considering those targets are ones I often pull melee out for. But is maniac, or just flat crit desired for psyker possibly?

[patent mango]

speed

[marble crater]

Carapace and maniac for dueling, carapace and unyielding for FGS

[delicate dove]

Yo, anyone know for sure how creeping flames / venting shriek interacts with daemonhost? Pretty sure I had a teammate agro one, but since it had soulblaze stacks that normally wouldn't agro it, it went after me instead

[lone wing]

it aggros daemonhosts

[marble crater]

Not through walls though right?

[delicate dove]

I've had very mixed interactions

so I don't think its so simple

[lone wing]

not through walls no, just have to be careful when using soulblaze near them

[delicate dove]

I had no line of sight, it was through walls

[marble crater]

Good, so remembered right

[delicate dove]

No godly idea why it went after me and not my teammate

[marble crater]

No idea either, can't say I had that ever happen

[lone wing]

did you kill a special/elite to trigger that one talent i forgor the name of

[delicate dove]

No

[verbal thistle]

read the red

unsure on creeping flames

but PC does awaken DH

[hearty wolf]

Daemonhosts don't give a shit who aggro them half the time anyway

[verbal thistle]

they have a funny agro system

[delicate dove]

Wasn't that

[verbal thistle]

could've been a barrel

a burster you puished into it

could be an enemy who shot the DH

could be an ally who shot and and run far away

[marble crater]

The DH is inside your walls

[clear heath]

oh dh convo again

[hearty wolf]

Yeah, it's like you pointed out situations where they don't care who aggro'd them

[clear heath]

could you explain what happened here?
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1168461977400647711/wtf_daemonhost.mp4?ex=67b4e944&is=67b397c4&hm=a9d9ce83130f7180115f42bc0169f6e85c7539d9f1875e1cea4220de9c3add5f&

[hearty wolf]

that's crazy

[marble crater]

Skill issue

[delicate dove]

ick

[marble crater]

Should have dodged

[delicate dove]

they just racist to psykers

[verbal thistle]

proximity alerted it, taunt animated canceled the getting up animation and taunt broke

thats what I see

[patent mango]

why did you do that

[delicate dove]

VICTIM BLAMING

lol

[patent mango]

aggroed everything in atoma

[clear heath]

being punished for existing

[hearty wolf]

This is why you should always attack Daemonhosts

Save your local Json

[delicate dove]

so TLDR daemonhosts are jank and BS

glad I got an answer

sigh

[strong gulch]

Pretty much

[fiery stratus]

Welcome to darktide

https://tenor.com/view/first-time-meme-first-time-the-ballad-of-buster-scruggs-gif-24656975

[delicate dove]

still don't understand their agro mechanism completely though, since they can take small amounts of damage like soulblaze without agro. Is there a certain amount of damage that triggers with certainty..?

[prime elk]

test it in live matches and let us know

[fiery stratus]

They normally go to the halfway point where they're stand floating kinda, enough damage they'll just get right up though

[strong gulch]

Your wildfire SB stacks can spread to DH and not wake it up, but if some does wake the DH, you can end up with the aggro.

[hearty wolf]

If you hit them with thunder hammer, they never aggro

[fiery stratus]

They can get woken up from shooting in their radius, and from fire on the floor

[hearty wolf]

Bugs out their AI

They just vanish

[strong gulch]

I've also woken DH up from shrieking in their direction through walls.

[fiery stratus]

Walls in darktide arent real except when you're body blocked

[strong gulch]

Maybe stagger strength from peril matters

no clue tho

[delicate dove]

Just started trying out flame shriek in firing range on DH, they attack on the third fully charged shriek

[fiery stratus]

Someone go do this testing, googogo

[strong gulch]

ye

[delicate dove]

I'm assuming small attacks under certain damage dont count, until they hit a certain amount of HP

my guess

idk

[clear heath]

I think it's just a buildup

[fiery stratus]

Doesnt have to be damage based, hit too many times they'll go off

[strong gulch]

I mean if any shreik touches the DH, not what stage of waking up the DH is in.

[delicate dove]

Not quite, they react differently to different attacks, you can do several little attacks but not 2 big ones

so It's less about number I think

[strong gulch]

OH WAIT

[quartz barn]

there's also a moment as its activating that extra hits dont count

so you can just beam it for a bit

[brazen rampart]

They can also just be straight up irritated without being hit directly to wake up. Many bolter vets have woken daemonhosts on me.

[quartz barn]

its because its zone based

[brazen rampart]

I have also woken some before without hitting them.

[prime elk]

yeah activating abilities around them or shooting around them can set them off

[quartz barn]

suppression around it wakes it up too

[brazen rampart]

Apparently this zone is farther than their standing aggro radius.

[crystal cobalt]

if you shine a flashlight at them they get mad

[strong gulch]

@celest valve @summer prairie Do either of you know what the code says about waking DH thresholds on damage or number of hits and who takes agro?

Sometimes it jank af or seems jank.

[quartz barn]

there's a mod that shows the zone, dont have it myself tho

lemme find the screenshot

ye here look at this

[brazen rampart]

Yeah, danger zone, I have it.

The radius for pissing them off with guns is larger than that radius.

[quartz barn]

cheating smh

[autumn lark]

find out daemonhost agro the real mens way

[fiery stratus]

If you hit the shots on things near it, it wont aggro, at least from what I can tell

[autumn lark]

run straight into a daemonhost by accident and then run tf away

[quartz barn]

purg always aggros zzzzz

[brazen rampart]

Cope. When fatshark deletes the really shitty dh spawns and fixes bursters jumping when they're supposed to, then I'll stop using it.

[quartz barn]

because big suppression range

[blissful solar]

i shot past it with a boltgun once and it got angry

[quartz barn]

i was joking lmao

[autumn lark]

daemonhosts are a non issue unless they start to float

then you should stay far far away from them

[quartz barn]

i almost have every penance available not gonna see me care about basic stuff

[delicate dove]

My assumption is just there's an invisible daemonhost agro bar that has cooldown, so you can make space and damage it in small amounts over time and it won't agro

[celest valve]

it's like... one of those 'organic' things that are intentionally jank as fuck and very confusing to read the code for. :p

[quartz barn]

esp when im out in gen chat advertising weapon custom to avoid the ingame store

[strong gulch]

Got it. Lol. Thank you very much. Sounds about right.

[autumn lark]

yeah no

if you deal damage to a daemonhost it will trigger

[blissful solar]

idk about that, you can like, set it on fire sometimes and it wont get angry even if it's standing up

[autumn lark]

it will even fully agro in its dormant state

[quartz barn]

bleed / fire doesnt do enough dmg for it to aggro

[paper dust]

Question

[strong gulch]

Unless it passively gains SB stacks.

[autumn lark]

theres a mechanic inplace to not make it agro from accidental stuff like DOT

[paper dust]

What if a warp entity
Glip glorp at you?
What then?

[fiery stratus]

I've 100% aggroed DH from barrel fire under it

[celest valve]

although it also respects perception so i'm idly curious if you could just smoke a daemonhost and it won't ever aggro as long as you don't step into the smoke

[blissful solar]

by fire i mean soulblaze

[celest valve]

        passive = {
            {
                distance = 7.5,
                flat = 1,
                threat = 1000,
                tick = 1,
            },
        },
        not_passive = {
            {
                distance = 3.5,
                flat = 100,
                sprint_flat_bonus = 100,
                threat = 250,
                tick = 8,
            },
            {
                distance = 7,
                flat = 80,
                sprint_flat_bonus = 100,
                threat = 250,
                tick = 10,
            },
            {
                distance = 12,
                flat = 50,
                threat = 100,
                tick = 6,
            },
            {
                distance = 20,
                flat = 20,
            },
        },
    },```

[delicate dove]

I can direct hit it without agro several times if I wait between attacks. If I don't wait, it agros. Leads me to believe there's cooldown

[celest valve]

there is this, 'anger distances'

flashlight is range 22, btw, apparently

threat 200, 10 degree radius maybe

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/master/scripts/settings/monster/chaos_daemonhost_settings.lua#L172 really there's a lot

[delicate dove]

Also it agro with enough DOT, so that's not true

[autumn lark]

accidental dot

not full on flamer blasting

[delicate dove]

Shriek through a wall can be accidental DOT and still trigger it

[celest valve]

_debug_draw_witch_spawner lol they don't even hide it fair nuff

[strong gulch]

Apparently PC can trigger DH too

[celest valve]

PC?

[strong gulch]

perilous combustion

That's what Ainz was saying. I've never been aware enough to notice.

[delicate dove]

Well I just pelted a daemonhost about 20 ish times with blaze bolt before it agrod, just waited between shots until it wouldn't take any more

[celest valve]

i think last i checked the dot spreading stuff shouldn't move to unaggroed daemonhosts

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/0eb5ca23be7e09759b9fdb61d4a5a9de3ce66a08/scripts/extension_systems/behavior/nodes/actions/bt_chaos_daemonhost_passive_action.lua#L392 god that's a headache

[strong gulch]

As far as I know, wildfire does. I don't read the code tho.

[celest valve]

so okay. If you stagger it for any reason, it adds math.huge threat to the person that staggered it.

so

that's one trigger condition, it seems

or that's on leaving the passive state. hmm

[blissful solar]

so if they go over x threat they'll anger it. does threat go down over time when no one angers it?

[strong gulch]

Can enemies wake it up? One time it seemed like shooters were directly pelting a DH and no one was around it or doing anything and it woke up into that floating state.

[delicate dove]

I think it once it reaches certain hp it agros no matter what, so I think yes since there are ranged enemy attacks with friendly fire

[delicate dove]

also checked, I couldn't get wildfire to spread to sleeping DH

[jovial juniper]

Think it's 22 for Ilas and Infantry flashlight
Heavy Stubber should be around 10

[strong gulch]

I've seen reapers shoot the back of a bulwark and stagger it. So that would make sense.

[clear heath]

I've seen snipers shoot enemies a lot too

[strong gulch]

Interesting. I wonder if there is a difference between meat grinder vs live mission or if it was patched out.

[celest valve]

so the closest player is checked, it seems. Flat is 80-100 inside 7 meters, sprint_flat_bonus adds 100, with 8-10 'tick'.

[clear heath]

I think the wildfire thing might've been patched out?

I vaguely remember something in the patch notes about it but i can't remember what exactly it was

[celest valve]

7-12 meters it's 50 flat, sprint doesn't matter, 6 tick. Out to 20 meters it's only 'flat = 20' which might be why they seem to be disturbed but don't do much out there

[celest valve]

there does not seem to be more than one set of flashlight settings and is simply 22 meters for everything.

i think it'll also wake up if it goes to like.. 97% or 95% health. Not sure which. but

[jovial juniper]

Oh wait I got things mixed

Yeah if my info from kuli is right

22 and 10 are for lights out against normal enemies

Not DH

[celest valve]

also there are 5 different states they can be in it seems

[celest valve]

Huh. Normal enemies react to lights too? That... would kind of make sense, it's specifically 'flashed' for the flashlight being pointed at thing.

[ripe obsidian]

My fellow Psyker stole all of my soulblaze. Rude of them.

[delicate dove]

triggering agro w/ reaper

[ripe obsidian]

They also did very well, so I am not really mad. But my damage numbers. >:(

[celest valve]

            tick_interval = 1,
            stages = {
                [STAGES.passive] = -1,
                [STAGES.agitated] = 19,
                [STAGES.disturbed] = 59,
                [STAGES.about_to_wake_up] = 99,
                [STAGES.waking_up] = 100,
            },
            decay = {
                [STAGES.passive] = 0,
                [STAGES.agitated] = 4,
                [STAGES.disturbed] = 3,
                [STAGES.about_to_wake_up] = 2,
                [STAGES.waking_up] = 0,
            },
            health = {
                max = 100,
                missing_percent = 3,
            },
            suppression = {
                factor = 6,
                max = 40,
                suppressed = 100,
            },
            flashlight = {
                flat = 20,
                tick = 5,
            },
        }```

[celest valve]

technically, the reaper didn't trigger it, that seems to be the missing health threshold

[delicate dove]

well, by the reaper, lol, but yes

[jovial juniper]

Yeah
Infantry and Recons will alert enemies at 28 meters aggro at 23
Infantry Autoguns alert at 18 aggro at 13, same for Autopistol
Heavy Stubber will alert at 18 and aggro at 10.5 iirc

And considering that most enemies have around 15 meters detection range

You can alert them before you enter their detection range

I think FS tweaked some enemies recently so their detection range might be higher than 15 atm

Didn't check

[delicate dove]

sniper causing damage agro. fun

[jovial juniper]

Oh no they changed combat detection

Silly me

[celest valve]

the passive to agitated animation duration keeps them as passive during it and it seems like it uses the passive values during then

[strong gulch]

lmao

[celest valve]

okay. Flat seems to be a value that is added when the condition for it is active, and otherwise 0. None of it is 'remembered'(aside from old_flashlight_flat and other values for, well, what it was last tick). Tick is 'permanent' and added every tick while the condition happens, including on the first tick it's applied.

this also, i believe, means that sprinting does not result in the daemonhost waking up earlier unless the 100ish flat bonus goes above the threshold to wake up.

[clear heath]

DId you find anything that determines who it aggros?

[celest valve]

Decay is a value between 2-4 and only applies when they're not passive or waking up. Using the stages, they're agitated at like 19%, disturbed at 59%, and 'about to wake up' at 99%.

[celest valve]

well if you stagger it, it aggros on you :p otherwise it might be 'the same as every other enemy' which is a whole nother can of worms?

oh

also sprinting may be very bad yes

[analog heart]

Does anyone know the full meta build weapons curios and talents?

[celest valve]

being within 3.5 meters at all might immediately wake it up if it's already 'about to wake up'. Otherwise sprinting within 7 meters is enough to wake it up.

[strong gulch]

depends

Depends on staff or gun and if you're doing havocs or not.

[celest valve]

being within 7 meters also adds 250 'threat' for that person and is a t ick of 10, so should cross the threshold to wake it up within 2 seconds anyway

[delicate dove]

Line of sight protection vs no line of sight protection for attacking daemonhost

[analog heart]

I’ll use any ranged and also for havoc

[delicate dove]

I could keep hitting it until the assumed health minimum just bobbing out of cover

[celest valve]

within 12 meters is 100 threat(this is likely used in what to target, this means that anyone within 7 meters will likely be the target and if no one is, anyone within 12 meters will be)

bout 8.33 seconds within a distance of 12 meters to wake it up. between 12 meters and 20 meters there is no tick(unless you flashlight them) but it DOES apply a passive anger of 20(enough for it to go from passive to agitated)

[strong gulch]

For havoc, meta is inferno or voidblast with bubble, a melee option for crushers, and health curios with corruption resistance and ability cool down reduction.

[celest valve]

also when it wakes up it might be at a already damaged health of 95%. not... sure? hum.

there's a damaged health thing for waking up that's at exactly 95%

[delicate dove]

It's waking up for me consistently around 3% no matter what, so idk

[celest valve]

ok. targeting. It will attempt to target someone based on the 'switch_reason', which is the biggest anger causer it seems.

[celest valve]

i mean if you run up to it and do a funny dance until it wakes up does it aggro at 100%

it could just be something not used but

anyway. If switch reason is distance, it'll target the closest player. If it's flashlight, it'll target the closest flashlight target. Suppression, it will target the last suppressing unit. If health, it will target the last damaging unit. Otherwise, or if this unit isn't a player unit FOR SOME REASON, it will target the closest target unit.

(the last one would likely trigger for health because of the reaper example)

[ripe obsidian]

Anyone have an LMB Surge/Shriek Havoc build on hand? I'm fiddling around with one, but I have to make a lot of hard decisions about talents.

[celest valve]

suppression is confusing and I think it might add up to 40 anger, so a single suppression incident should never be enough to trigger a daemonhost by itself

also, that should be enough to go from agitated to disturbed, which might be a noticable animation/lighting change

[delicate dove]

oh wait you said lmb, oops

[celest valve]

(it also suppresses enemies within 2 meters but it is very unlikely you'll care about that)

[ripe obsidian]

I saw another Psyker do very well with LMB Surge in Havoc 40ish, and it looked like fun

More fun than bubble+purg, at least

[strong gulch]

@clear heath Talking about DH targeting.

☝️

[celest valve]

oh

the suppression might actually be for 'allied' units, so enemy minions. enemies do not want to be near the waking up daemonhost i guess

[ripe obsidian]

This is what I am sitting on so far. Lots of fire, lots of shriek. Not sure if Wildfire is worth it, so I could drop that and swap from In Fire Reborn to Psychic Vampire

[clear heath]

okay so any guesses why it didn't aggro the ogryn here?

[ripe obsidian]

You looked at it funny.

[celest valve]

things are scuffed why is there no healthbar

[clear heath]

yeah idk that thing was buggy as hell

[celest valve]

also

what is the ability the ogryn is using

[clear heath]

taunt

he fucking randomly just walked up to the DH, taunted it, fired at it, and then the DH went for me

the world is out to get me

[celest valve]

uhhhhh

maybe the suppressing unit for taunt is the host