#psyker-class

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nocturne dust
marble crater
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Yes

proper osprey
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SMITE AND EP

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I love slop

brazen rampart
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KD is basically necessary on every build for me, like duellist or precision strikes for zealout and vet, respectively.

cosmic rain
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Yeah, I stood against a daemonhost because of it a few times. Just blocking, but still. Its a life saver.

upper sun
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bros..........

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clutched the same game 3 time still lost

nocturne dust
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When I was a noob I spent two hours in a match with a knife zealot who clutched the entire time. We couldn't move on because it was a battery pickup part and we were the only two players (and I, as a noob, immediately exploded into paste every time)

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Feels bad 😔

fathom adder
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People complain of their frames being procedurally generated slop then let it make their build decisions smh

nocturne dust
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Yes.

upper sun
pure dragon
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The Rizzler

muted grove
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im trying this out rn, which weapons do you reccomend?

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wait i remember you said purg

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probably ds4 as the other then

strong gulch
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ye purg

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ye

upper sun
pure dragon
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Is this your character taking a nap?

upper sun
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no rizzler

pure dragon
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Damn rizzing while they sleep

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What a boss

cosmic rain
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Wow...

pure dragon
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Trapper was locked in

warped perch
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Saluting face emojis are never necessary

strong gulch
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for u bud

warped perch
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For anyone

strong gulch
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for u bud

marble crater
warped perch
warped perch
fiery stratus
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🚬

marble aurora
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I am afraid to ask what I am stepping into lmao.

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So, is there a way to build a tanky Psycher and have a Gray knight power fantasy with bistol and maybe the force greatsword? There is something similar on Gameslantern but I wanna run that shit through this place's scrutiny lmao.

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da51441-94cb-4d28-b4b7-c4d0211a37b3/grey-knight-psyker-smite-telekine-high-crit-tank-melee-bolter

GamesLantern.com

Psyker build for Warhammer 40k: Darktide, using the Covenant Mk VIII Blaze Force Greatsword and Godwyn-Branx Mk IV Bolt Pistol. Created by CaptainDante.

marble crater
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You lost me at tanky psyker

marble aurora
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I've been h uffing the purgatus staff fumes and enjoying them for a while now but I want something new LMFAO.

patent mango
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dude unlocked the secret biomancer iron arm keystone

marble crater
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And my grandma told me that if I have nothing nice to say I shouldn't say anything, so with that in mind I looked at the linked build KEKW_ogryn

brazen rampart
bold edge
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is the "Power Up" penance broken or am I not doing it right? I kill a mauler and it doesn't progress

marble aurora
earnest sand
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They added librarians to darktide ?

marble aurora
brazen rampart
patent mango
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oh god it uses warp slice already

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oh god crit dmg perk

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oh no

marble crater
patent mango
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oh god thats literally charged strike

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wait why does this use ep

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isnt it melee

marble crater
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Stop looking at it

patent mango
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dont wna

marble aurora
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I knew I smelled fuckery LMAO

patent mango
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oh god is that anticipation

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that takes a ranged node stinky

marble aurora
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I KNEW IT. I saw this build and was like.... Hold up.

patent mango
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warp expenditure is also not good

earnest sand
patent mango
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nor do you make enouogh peril for either quietitude or warp expenditure

marble crater
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It has smite, but doesn't take psy aura throwing

patent mango
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lmao

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coulda stopped at that

marble aurora
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Pretty m uch what I want is the equivalent of a Psycher Zealor or Gray Knight fuckery.

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Something that gives off Jojo Aura energy

marble crater
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So a melee psyker build?

patent mango
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for just a melee build i made one myeslf

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it should be decent

upper sun
patent mango
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hes still typing somehow

brazen rampart
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@marble aurora
Critical hit and weakspot damage perks do not work as advertised, they only buff the crit and weakspot part of the attack; they do not take into consideration the total damage of the attack. Let's say you do 100 damage and with a crit it adds 50, crit damage perks only affect that bonus 50, not the 150 total.

Greatsword wants carapace + unyielding damage; other perks do not meet any meaningful breakpoints. Blessings should be riposte/shred (crit adms good) + precog/wrath, depending on whether or not you take Warp Splitting. Dump warp resistance.

Bolt pistol wants flak + maniac damage for perks for rager headshot breakpoints. Blessings should be deadly accurate + puncture. Puncture will help to clean up anything you don't oneshot, like, for example, I do not believe you will oneshot dreg gunners to the face with a deadly accurate crit. Dump collateral.

Curios should never take toughness regeneration speed; that only affects coherency toughness, which you will never get while an enemy occupies one of your melee slots. Combat ability regeneration is not worth it, either. At most, on a 30s ability, with all 3 curios running it, it shaves off 3 seconds and change. Stamina regeneration doesn't affect the delay until you start regenerating, so on psyker, who already has insane regeneration speed, it's pretty useless. Run gunner resist and maybe a sniper resist instead.

brazen rampart
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Holy crap.

marble crater
patent mango
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wait what

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lmao

brazen rampart
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@marble aurora you said you wanted melee psyker right?

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Just run this and trust me on talents then, please.

patent mango
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i'd take quietitude with that

brazen rampart
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Long story short, you invest far too much in top talents, and smite isn't necessary because you kill everything anyway.

patent mango
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smite is just for psy aura

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and since i forget assail exists

edgy heart
brazen rampart
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You don't need psyk aura for scriers.

patent mango
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yeah but

brazen rampart
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I dont know where this line of thought comes from.

patent mango
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i forget assail

brazen rampart
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And assail is really good.

patent mango
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cdr good and jolly

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assail is ok

brazen rampart
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People just whine and bitch because it got a deserved nerf.

patent mango
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not my thing

brazen rampart
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Oh no, you can't obliterate 12 dreg ragers with 2 darts! The shame!

marble aurora
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And this is exactly how I learn, tell me how something is shit and why lmao thanks.

brazen rampart
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(You can still obliterate 12 dreg ragers with assail, it just needs some buff stacking)

patent mango
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invest into smite for the upcoming charged strike buff

dull scroll
patent mango
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you can defo get rid of cruel fortune if u want anything else too

marble crater
upper sun
patent mango
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since cruel is just a bit of qol

indigo plank
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Assail still very good and pretty mindless. Even @fallow stream uses it without popping sometimes samsmile

patent mango
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run and gun bistol is funny

brazen rampart
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So @marble aurora there's a few things about the talents I posted, right. The method to run them is to run recon, but they can be edited to run bolt pistol. You can drop tranquility through slaughter (down by disrupt destiny) to take PC and switch warp speed to the tdr node (scriers aux nodes) for more survivability.

marble aurora
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Oh I actually enjoy recon so this works.

brazen rampart
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The idea is to stack a guaranteed true aim crit with your sword, draw, and blast something with a deadly accurate crit headshot.

indigo plank
brazen rampart
weary idol
patent mango
weary idol
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that's not melee

patent mango
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not exactly melee which is why i dont run it

brazen rampart
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Warp unbound cracks, throw all 10 darts, return to melee.

patent mango
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on top of me just forgetting it

dull scroll
brazen rampart
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Also you weave assail and melee for malefic value.

weary idol
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or just throw darts in between melee strikes and never need that talent in the first place

brazen rampart
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Sword does 20% more damage at 5 stacks of malefic.

weary idol
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because you quell peril on melee weakspots

brazen rampart
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Listen, don't question my methods.

patent mango
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i will question your methods

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as assail weaving is just kinda annoyig to do

weary idol
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also weakspot DD with the 10 second stacks?

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why do you need that?

brazen rampart
brazen rampart
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If I didn't use it in pubs I'd drop cruel fortune and hunt the funny blue men more for another talent.

weary idol
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it's not forever your stacks last a million years

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and you have assail

brazen rampart
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You won't catch me dead running perfectionism though.

weary idol
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and (hopefully) a gun

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perfectionism is the only time I'd ever run the weakspot stacks

patent mango
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quietitude is also pretty decentt

brazen rampart
patent mango
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and you got bcob for that

weary idol
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and the assails?

pure dragon
brazen rampart
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You regen toughness on crits and by weaving assail.

weary idol
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that you kinda do all the time?

hearty wolf
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You don't need toughness if you don't get hit which you shouldn't in melee

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dump toughness

brazen rampart
# weary idol that you kinda do all the time?

That I instantly quell with my sword with by crack of bone or with my recon with tranq through slaughter, both of which are going to generate toughness because of mettle and melee kills.

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Get with the program.

patent mango
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yea you quell

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so quietitude

weary idol
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but you would also get more toughness back from getting it in the first place

brazen rampart
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You don't need it lmao.

patent mango
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u dont need cruel...

brazen rampart
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Unnecessary talent for gunker.

dull scroll
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this is the true yolo build

patent mango
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how

brazen rampart
dull scroll
brazen rampart
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If I see a pubber not running a shotgun or revolver I just fucking know they're gonna pop with surety of arms.

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So many people don't realize how that talent works.

weary idol
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surety of arms can't make you explode though

brazen rampart
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It literally can.

weary idol
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at least it didn't when I tried it in the psykhanium

patent mango
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it cant

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unless they managed to bug it

brazen rampart
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Let me rephrase.

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It can cause you to explode with certain actions following it.

patent mango
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dont do them

weary idol
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so it can't make you explode

brazen rampart
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And if you are used to anim canceling things.

dull scroll
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you don't use gun when in high peril unless emergency

brazen rampart
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For example, I anim cancel db reload.

dull scroll
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this is unironically a low peril build

weary idol
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I use a gun at high peril because I use the blue shotgun as a meme

brazen rampart
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You know what happens when I put the db away?

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I draw assail and throw darts.

patent mango
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why not fgs

brazen rampart
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Can you see where the fun lies?

weary idol
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that sounds like bad muscle memory that you could easily adjust to

brazen rampart
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Yeah it's called don't run surety of arms lmao.

patent mango
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it good tho

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just not really on a melee build

brazen rampart
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My thoughts on it, rework the talent to grant proportionally higher reload speed based on current peril.

dull scroll
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depends on the how much you use assail vs guns

brazen rampart
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Like OWTW for reload, basically.

dull scroll
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plenty of ammo in auric, so gun spamming superior

brazen rampart
dull scroll
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assail only for emergencies

brazen rampart
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EE abuse is real.

dull scroll
brazen rampart
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Anyway I must drive now.

edgy heart
weary idol
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it's not used because it make syou not explode

brazen rampart
weary idol
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it's used because it lets you stay at max peril and use warp shit

brazen rampart
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I figured it out when I rewatched one of my clips.

dull scroll
weary idol
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I use it on an assail spam build for that very reason because Assail having +400% cleave is funny

brazen rampart
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Basically, crack of bone and tranq through slaughter weren't implemented correctly, so if you get a quell proc on them right as you hit 100%, scriers won't realize you are at 100% yet, and won't proc warp unbound correctly.

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So, for example, you get a melee kill, proc crack of bone, quell the 5%, draw darts, throw one, and die, because crack of bone wasn't implemented correctly.

patent mango
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warp unbound is just bugged without those 2

brazen rampart
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No it's not.

patent mango
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it is

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i've had it explode me without either of them

dull scroll
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holy shit is that why you explode even with WU

brazen rampart
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Not once have I popped once I realized how those talents interact with it.

patent mango
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i wasnt using them

brazen rampart
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Pics or it didn't happen.

patent mango
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its ping based

weary idol
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I've never seen WU make me explode with it active

brazen rampart
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Clip it.

weary idol
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So I don't even know what the bug is man

brazen rampart
patent mango
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wait is it exploding you midway throuh warp unbound

brazen rampart
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You can literally watch warp unbound be a fucking liar in that clip.

patent mango
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or between scriers turning off and wu starting

brazen rampart
patent mango
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ok yea thats just with anything

dull scroll
indigo plank
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I also have a clip of throwing an assail dart at 100% without warp unbound and not exploding. Fartshart spaghetti code is not consistent

patent mango
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wu is just affected by pi ng

fiery stratus
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tbh i think some things with peril are broken atm

patent mango
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it wont bug in psykhanium

fiery stratus
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feel like ive definitely blown up under 100 before

indigo plank
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Regardless of whether it killed something, the act of throwing it should’ve sent me into pop. Game is just weird sometimes

patent mango
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its just good to not use anything for like .5s after scriers ends

indigo plank
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I don’t claim to understand the warp. I merely try to cope with its will

patent mango
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i coped by unequipping wu

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warp slash killed me twice before wu triggered and i just was done with it

indigo plank
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On my main build I don’t run it but I was running meme smite for brute conscripts

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It was like 20s of raw soyking

patent mango
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psykuh

indigo plank
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Whenever I wanted a band of nooblets to stop letting me just two tap each crusher I’d be like “okie melee out”

indigo plank
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And pause the wave of crusher death

deft stump
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Never use chainsword (ever) or DD when lagging. It just doesn't work.

patent mango
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dd doesnt work with lag?

weary idol
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it does

patent mango
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chainsword i get it anims get buggy with lag

indigo plank
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Sorry I pay quality gremlins for my internet service. DD always works until I crash KEKW_ogryn

weary idol
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it's just really fucking annoying sometimes because it will just not target something new after killing a previous DD target sometimes

deft stump
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I either have a completly broken Hud, or never got a stack.

patent mango
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and it swings fast

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so as usual its fricked up

weary idol
patent mango
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yea thats just fricked

weary idol
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you can only see what like 6 buff/debuffs at once by default?

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no matter how many you have?

patent mango
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i entirely replaced mine with modded buff hud

weary idol
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and psyker gets like 15 on their skill tree

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DD Stacks are still there you just can't see them because default hud is garbage beyond belief

deft stump
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Or things die before I kill them on my screen due to lag.

indigo plank
deft stump
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Thing is, the FGS shows how bad it is since it takes 3-4 jank swing animation to fire a warp slice... in the wrong direction.

patent mango
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what

indigo plank
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Scabs

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Pox

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Trash

weary idol
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bruisers

deft stump
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IDK, I just had a really laggy game with rubberbanding.

indigo plank
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They’re all food for the grinded

weary idol
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but yeah DD does that sometimes

indigo plank
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Stalkers I always forget the name of

patent mango
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man this game is held together with plasteel tape

indigo plank
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You’re feeling so juiced playing your little whack a mole combo minigame

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Suddenly no more targets sadKEK

weary idol
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anyways unrelated fun fact about DD that's actually a good thing

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is that the stack duration refreshes if you damage an enemy that DD marks even if you don't kill them

strong gulch
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Don't even have to damage, just push or stagger em.

marble crater
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If you are close enough to push them but don't kill the heretic, you yourself are a heretic and should be executed

deft stump
marble crater
deft stump
marble aurora
weary idol
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yeah

wispy bay
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It is not abuse, it is simply using the buff.

patent mango
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scriers will already give you plenty of peril

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and assail for malefic is best when you got no fgs essence and theres big targets to kill

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cause with fgs half essence you can just kill 15 ish with it most of the time for malefic lol

brazen rampart
# marble aurora So to recap, spam assail or use the blitz to increase peril and then abuse the b...

You weave assail and melee together. Melee headshot kills will quell 5% peril and make assail generate only 8% peril for 4 seconds. Your gun is basically only there for shooter racism and EE abuse, as well as boss damage with infernus. You can stack up max fire stacks with it, then draw your sword (which should have unyielding on it) and you'll deal 25% more damage to the boss. Burgles, you just blast the pimple until you either run out of ammo or it dies.

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Playing psyker makes you develop internal clocks for this stuff, you'll pick up malefic timing naturally as you play with it.

round blaze
radiant frigate
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Yes

prime elk
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yes

round blaze
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yes

patent mango
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heavy las is fire too

hearty wolf
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I like smaller gun

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Because the best fgs ranged is the fgs

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So all you need is mobility

patent mango
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bistol...... đŸ”„

deft stump
round blaze
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dual wields bolt pistols

radiant frigate
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2 bolt pistols taped together

patent mango
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betterer yet dual wield storm bistols

proper osprey
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Dual force daggers

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The empowered attack is a slicing dash

radiant frigate
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force dagger but it's a ranged weapon

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assail 2

proper osprey
radiant frigate
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so you can have force sword.. and dagger

patent mango
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ep with assail synergy where it becomes 1 giant crystal that u can control through like 30 enemy hits

radiant frigate
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comically large assail shard

patent mango
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yippie!!!!

brazen rampart
# round blaze You think recon laser is the best gun to pair with fgs?

I think that fgs takes on a different role for psyker in that you take a ranged weapon for its weaknesses rather than a melee to cover your ranged weapons weaknesses. I think recons accomplish this quite well with ammo economy through the usage of infernus and they capitalize on EE and let you ignore shooters when you are in otherwise inopportune spots to deal with them.

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TLDR treat fgs as a zealout weapon rather than playing as a psyker.

radiant frigate
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if running fgs

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consider fgs the main course

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rather than a side dish

patent mango
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if running fgs steamhappy kill everyone steamhappy

past bobcat
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how to use macro in psyker?

patent mango
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which one

prime elk
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prob quell macro i assume, which is bannable no?

past bobcat
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the kenetic ball

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the not bannable bro

patent mango
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m1 macro is gonna be patched soon

past bobcat
patent mango
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idk if they say when actually

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lemme check whar they said

prime elk
brazen rampart
patent mango
brazen rampart
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^^^

patent mango
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idk if its bannable exactly

prime elk
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i thought he was talking about the full auto m1 macro

patent mango
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but they don likey it

brazen rampart
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Done by hand, it's fine, but macros are bannable.

past bobcat
past bobcat
prime elk
# patent mango

now that they've released a statement on this, i expect action by december of this year

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and then they'll fuck up the fix

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and then go on vacation

patent mango
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warframe devs did exactly this

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lmao

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they made a sea shanty song about it

strong gulch
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Just in case there's confusion, the full auto mod is not the same as the quell cancel macros.

buoyant maple
prime elk
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i was just talking about the full auto one

patent mango
# patent mango they made a sea shanty song about it

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prime elk
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the WF devs are something else

patent mango
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lmao

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that was in teh worst era of wf

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they havent done anyting as goofy

weary idol
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Any time a game takes up more file space than Warframe it better have a damn good reason

patent mango
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isnt wf like 30 gb still

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its wild

weary idol
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Because Warframe is the poster child of feature bloat, and it's like 40 gigabytes

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Looks fuckin' gorgeous too

patent mango
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runs so well

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except the gameplay kinda sucks

prime elk
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yeah fairly well optimized storage-wise for the amount of content it has

prime elk
patent mango
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movement is good

weary idol
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warframe gameplay is fine if you don't play multiplayer

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there's a wide variety of viable and interesting weapons, warframes, and gimmick mod sets

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that all get left in the dust in multiplayer because of some cunt playing a nuker frame and pressing 1 button to kill everything

patent mango
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all of em busted

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4x busted game explodes

brazen rampart
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:)

patent mango
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is it even bannable

past bobcat
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yup

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it's like flash

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hahahaha

weary idol
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I should practice quell cancel so I can do it fast enough by hand to get people suspicious of me

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I play rhythm games I can probably get it to a questionable speed

patent mango
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i still want psyker to go hand ouchy ow ow if they spam m1 too much

strong gulch
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oop got scammed

muted grove
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Is EP generally
More worthwhile than warp charges for BB

strong gulch
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If you're going for a BB build, take EP.

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If you're going for a staff build that happens to take BB, go warp charges.

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As a general thing.

prime elk
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(don't go for a BB build)

strong gulch
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do it if you want

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Maybe I'll get unscammed if I prescam myself.

deft stump
strong gulch
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Wow nope. It just started hard scamming me. wtf

strong gulch
deft stump
dull scroll
deft stump
strong gulch
dull scroll
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heh nvm then, thought someone discovered another cheese mechanics or something

strong gulch
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Nope lol

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tree is looking like this right now

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Imagine if I only put one point in dome and people are like "Why isn't my toughness filling up?? Must be bugged."

brazen rampart
strong gulch
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The same guide that says to dump quell speed on inferno 😭

brazen rampart
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I'd have to actually test in game but afaik you're only gimping special damage.

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Still not great.

strong gulch
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Is whatevs for this purpose.

brazen rampart
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Informed decisions gooder than not informed ones.

strong gulch
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The special is the only rev thing anyways.

strong gulch
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Besides, hadron scammed me. So let it double suck. lmao

deft stump
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Lul.

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Also, I used Hammer of the Emperor for my mobility dump chainsword.

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I think it'll be fine... maybe.

strong gulch
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maybe 🙏

deft stump
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I mean, what's the worst that can happen, fail screen?

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Heh.

brazen rampart
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Inb4 some toxic level 2k vet main with ds plasma calls them the n word.

icy breach
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Mutant be like

deft stump
brazen rampart
deft stump
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Their meta isn't my type of meta. I'm just a wee lil 'nadier. They scream for ammo.

warped perch
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You need sleep Frogcast

nocturne dust
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Warframe hasn't missed ever since the person in charge became Reb.

nocturne dust
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They've never banned anyone for it as far as I am aware, and I've literally tried to hunt down reports.

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I have never been able to verify a ban for macros. Nobody has even actually claimed as such to me, only 'well I heard someone else was banned' kind of sourceless rumors.

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I've also been unable to find a Fatshark statement where they explicitly stated they would ban users for such. The closest is the EULA, which also notes that you can be banned for mods sooooo KEKW_ogryn

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There is a forum post where a Fatshark guy says 'autohotkey okay' (paraphrasing), but that's a while ago and isn't very specific about anything (and also the specific guy who said that would later leave Fatshark iirc).

wispy bay
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Warframe development is pure efficiency. How to make a lot of stuff while staying as simple as possible. Feel almost like an indie company yet able to host their own decently big convention.

edgy heart
#

How does warframe even make money

#

What do they sell, cosmetics?

wispy bay
#

Cosmetic and in game trading using premium currency

upper galleon
nocturne dust
#

wat is this madness

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'simple'? Warframe???

#

Mfers literally build a castle atop broken castles

edgy heart
robust robin
#

more like pay to not grind as much

nocturne dust
#

In-game trading isn't p2w since you can trade items for plat

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and then plat for whatever you want

#

and you can earn anything of substance without plat

#

(as long as it's still intended for you to get it)

fathom adder
nocturne dust
#

(like arcane helmets which have actual stats, but aren't balanced around anymore and are discontinued (and have been for many, many years))

robust robin
edgy heart
#

Is there pvp in warframe?

fathom adder
nocturne dust
#

Is it a grind to get through the content? Yes. Can you skip it with plat? In some cases, yes (others, no). But that's literally the meat and bones of Warframe. It'd be like spending premium currency in Darktide to not play.

robust robin
#

What I mean is: everything is earnable by grinding. You just get there faster if you ay, but you can also trade your stuff for plat they buy off another player what your setup needs

nocturne dust
#

Imagine if you could spend premium currency to get a perfect weapon in Darktide at lvl 0. You can do it, but it's pretty dumb to do so. That's Warframe.

fathom adder
# nocturne dust This is bad logic

Not when 1000 certs was the difference between "farm f2p infantry with your rocket pods" or "your fighters have a machine gun and a sprint button"
(I know the game has changed a lot as the player base fell off, and everyone left was able to buy flak armor, and rocket pods/zephyr cannon/etc got nerfed)

edgy heart
#

Does warframe has pvp?

robust robin
nocturne dust
#

You are extrapolating from a specific scenario a general rule that doesn't have to follow that specific scenario.

robust robin
#

The pvp in warframe, to my knowledge, never really took off

nocturne dust
#

Like, nobody

edgy heart
wispy bay
edgy heart
#

So the game is p2w

nocturne dust
#

and also it has its own balancing

fathom adder
nocturne dust
#

so no, it's not p2w

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you can't pay to win it

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and you can't pay to get stats

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or anything like that

nocturne dust
#

but not every game is like that

wispy bay
#

99% of the things that you trade in game can't even be used in pvp.

nocturne dust
#

Yeah

wispy bay
#

There is little to no competition in the normal gameplay.

nocturne dust
#

And the point is

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It's only p2w if the grind is insurmountable, not just because a grind exists

fathom adder
#

Surmountable is relative

nocturne dust
#

Like, if free players can get everything payers can in reasonable amounts of time, it's not p2w.

#

Sure, it's relative.

potent echo
#

What's a reasonable amount of time

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A week or a year whatthefuck_heresy

wispy bay
edgy heart
#

If i pay in a game and it gets me an advantage that game is p2w, plain and simple

potent echo
#

I agree with that sentiment

nocturne dust
#

I agree with the sentiment but not the logic.

edgy heart
#

Paying should be cosmetic only

nocturne dust
#

Because skins, technically, can give you an advantage

potent echo
#

I also don't play a single f2p game

nocturne dust
#

For example, if I have a dark skin and the map is generally dark, I have an advantage

edgy heart
wispy bay
#

Wt/wot are mostly pvp, so getting advantage p2w is a big deal. Each person have their own progress in the game depending on their personal performance.

edgy heart
#

Make it so skins don't affect gameplay

nocturne dust
#

That would be impossible

potent echo
#

Yea it's impossible

edgy heart
#

Transmogs

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It can be possible

nocturne dust
edgy heart
#

Lol

wispy bay
#

WF is pve where the performance in game run is all shared with players, doesn't matter if you do more or less.

nocturne dust
#

If there's any difference at all, there will be advantages/disadvantages.

potent echo
#

"this skin is giving an advantage, let's remove it from the store"

  • said literally no company ever
edgy heart
#

I did stop playing hunt because of the damn reptillians

#

If someone paying has an advantage is p2w

nocturne dust
#

p2w is only when the advantage is explicit, such as when you pay money and get extra health

#

or better gear

edgy heart
#

Nah

nocturne dust
#

Yah

edgy heart
#

Agree to disagree

potent echo
#

No one is saying p2w is inherently bad or a thing

nocturne dust
#

If you call everything p2w, the term itself becomes meaningless

#

so I don't know why you would distinguish it as 'any difference' sort of nonsense

patent jacinth
# edgy heart It can be possible

Unless every skin is some variation of John (game name) with hi vis strips skins will change a characters visibility and affect gameplay

potent echo
#

No the term does not become meaningless it tells people what they want to know as f2p players

wispy bay
#

The in game trade is people get something good and trade it to someone else, basically someone gives their advantage from their grind away to get something else.

nocturne dust
#

Let's not forget the skins that are literally blinding KEKW_ogryn

patent jacinth
#

10 gorillion year message send times

edgy heart
#

For the company

potent echo
#

Ofc no one is going to say shadow of the erdtree is p2w ielden ring is not a f2p game

edgy heart
#

Isn't that game single player?

potent echo
#

No it's multiplayer with pvp

edgy heart
#

Oh

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Nvm

wispy bay
#

It does have pvp...

patent jacinth
#

It’s opt in though

edgy heart
#

Idk, never played it

nocturne dust
potent echo
#

But it's like a content expansion and if I catch anyone saying expansion is p2w I'll slap them

patent jacinth
#

Playing by yourself you will never be attacked player to player unless you try

nocturne dust
#

If everything is p2w, the term does nothing to distinguish games

#

It's like calling games 'games'

potent echo
#

It's mainly used to describe f2p game experience imo

#

Using it to describe anything else is sus

nocturne dust
#

And there's already a separate thing to describe the annoyance of microtransactions... microtransactions

potent echo
#

Ok also eSports/sweatlord titles

edgy heart
#

Like darktide thumbsup_ogryn

#

Hehe good game, fatshark

nocturne dust
robust robin
#

and warframe definitely isn't lol

potent echo
#

Nah skins give an advantage

edgy heart
#

For once you get a dub

nocturne dust
#

Not all F2P games have that insurmountable difference

potent echo
#

To me because if I see krieg cosmetics I know that player is trash KEKW_ogryn

nocturne dust
#

(and also, normally used in the context of PvP specifically)

wispy bay
#

If WF only rewards the best performance player in a raid, then yes, it is 100% p2w. It is not however.

nocturne dust
#

Darktide, by your logic, is p2w

edgy heart
#

How so

nocturne dust
#

because skins exist

potent echo
#

How staregryn

nocturne dust
#

and skins can give an advantage

edgy heart
#

What advantage do skins give you in this game

nocturne dust
#

make things easier/harder to see

potent echo
#

In darktide..?

edgy heart
#

Enlighten me

nocturne dust
#

for example

potent echo
#

Huh

nocturne dust
#

one of the shield skins

edgy heart
#

What

nocturne dust
#

has a bigger opening

potent echo
#

Like the shield?

nocturne dust
#

yes

edgy heart
#

What

potent echo
#

Yea but you can mod it so uhh

edgy heart
#

What

potent echo
#

F2p2w

patent jacinth
#

I think there’s a helbore with better sights

potent echo
#

You are free to pay KEKW_ogryn

edgy heart
#

F2p2p2w2r2t2

potent echo
#

But you don't have to pay

wispy bay
#

You can carry people in WF very easily, you can have end game gears as a beginner by playing, and still not being OP.

nocturne dust
edgy heart
#

Yes

potent echo
#

Yes

#

I guess

nocturne dust
#

Horrible abuse of the term.

#

😔

edgy heart
#

Wait no

strong gulch
#

free to play magic đŸ’”

potent echo
#

But I wouldn't say it to someone who doesn't play darktide

edgy heart
#

I'm so lost now

wispy bay
#

Fuck, you people make agree with Void.

potent echo
#

Iykyk

wispy bay
#

Outrageous

nocturne dust
# edgy heart I'm so lost now

I mean, it's either you agree a Darktide without mods is p2w to keep your logic consistent, or you admit p2w isn't 'any advantage' and there is some line where an advantage isn't meaningful enough to make a game p2w. đŸ€·â€â™‚ïž

edgy heart
#

Darktide isn't p2w

nocturne dust
robust robin
#

~~yet ~~

nocturne dust
edgy heart
#

Yet indeed

nocturne dust
#

DLC for best careers 2, electric boogaloo

#

inb4 we get dlc for extra parts of the class trees with the best nodes and best weapons

edgy heart
#

I really wonder how long till they start charging for content

nocturne dust
#

Hopefully, the skin store means never

#

Realistically, maybe another year

robust robin
#

Either one of these happen: they charge for something gameplay related and the already "not so healthy" population of the game dies or the backlash is so great they have to revert back

edgy heart
nocturne dust
#

Yes

#

which is why I say a year

edgy heart
#

Its what they get for having a full catalogue instead of a fomo rotating store

compact cargo
#

nerf dueling sword

edgy heart
#

Are they stupid

nocturne dust
#

since Darktide seems to be mimicking VT2's development

edgy heart
#

Tech priest dlc pogryn

nocturne dust
#

just to anger the people

compact cargo
#

A million BoNs be upon you

elder glade
#

I want more dueling in my dueling sword

compact cargo
#

more people will mald if its nerfed

nocturne dust
strong gulch
#

Nurgle-Os

nocturne dust
#

Honestly, the bonbon modifier is probably my favorite, sad it got event-shelved

#

but I say that as a bubble psyker KEKW_ogryn

edgy heart
#

Add it to the list things I consider "horrible decisions"

robust robin
#

them making it or shelving it?

edgy heart
#

Why is the moebian 21st on havoc but not on the regular list

edgy heart
nocturne dust
edgy heart
#

This game benefits greatly from variety, why make variety and then take it away

nocturne dust
#

I mean, in the dev meeting the variety argument would be 'two modes > one mode'

edgy heart
#

Wot

nocturne dust
#

and that 'Havoc needs its own modifiers to feel sufficiently different from Auric'

nocturne dust
edgy heart
#

The people people playing havoc are playing cause is harder, not cause is different

nocturne dust
#

Yell at Fatshark, not me 😭

edgy heart
#

Sorry

#

I cannot yellow at fatshark

nocturne dust
#

I prefer blue, personally

edgy heart
#

I hate auto correct

robust robin
tiny river
potent echo
#

Havoc would split the playerbase if there was anyone playing it KEKW_ogryn

edgy heart
#

Holy crap

#

That's actually genius

potent echo
#

And host suffers the loss

#

So people don't like hosting

#

It's mainly a prebuilt only sweat mode

tiny river
#

I managed to get to 40 + the entire armor set with randoms mostly

potent echo
#

True but those god randoms have stopped played too

tiny river
#

Have they?

edgy heart
wind spruce
#

It's not as though people can see that you've now got assignment rank 39 or whatever and will hesitate to group with you

tiny river
wind spruce
#

But if you don't use it (the chances you have at your higher rank assignment) you lose it, so you might aswell use it

#

Are people really thinking "well I want to queue this higher rank tomorrow with other players so I won't use my chances today"

wind spruce
#

Just doesn't seem like a detriment to host, idk. I wouldn't hesitate at all, whatever my rank.

tiny river
#

I think its more like people at higher ranks are more picky when it comes to choosing randoms so in turn a lot of people don’t play with randoms / play low level lobbies because they’re easily accesie

tiny river
wind spruce
#

Fair enough, you might want those chances at higher ranked play for a more competitive group

tiny river
#

Anything below 20 is usually easy to get into but its a gamble anything above

#

Especially on 20 - 25 cause thats where the difficulty really picks up for the first time

#

So a clearence 30 wouldn’t wanna risk a 20 clearance because they might still be new-ish

#

Obviously doesn’t apply to every high level, I got accepted into 40 with 29 rank but its most

prime elk
#

hey game

#

i just left this match

#

can you stop

#

fucking

#

putting me

#

into this same match again?

next wyvern
#

Hey, i'd like to ask if there's a build i should try for trying out psyker? I started with zealot and then went to ogryn. Since i 30'd both of them, i want to try out psyker, see if it will be fun

potent echo
#

Psylot is pretty fun

#

Idk if it's updated but the steam guide in the pins has more details

sturdy reef
#

melee psyker with tak axe is fun

#

just go mk2, mk4 still dookie

#

MK7 still has phantom swings I think

#

I am liking it over FGS melee ker lmao

#

dunno why

deft stump
next wyvern
next wyvern
brazen rampart
edgy heart
#

Real?

sturdy reef
#

yeah

#

I only have ever blocked 3 people

#

for being absolute cocks

zinc wedge
#

Me when my fucking

#

Teammate triggers a daemonhost

#

Dies

#

While a flesh bag is running towards us

#

And we all die slowly

#

Until it's up to me (I have no anti boss weapons)

#

And then get eaten multiple times because it's feeling romantical

#

Wtf do we got for anti boss

#

Any staves for that shit?

#

Because hitting it over and over with the orbital strike staff doesn't do much

wispy bay
#

It is always rough with psyker.

zinc wedge
#

Any melee then?

#

I've got a great amount of experience with the chainsword

wispy bay
#

Though, if you use strike/blast/Ek, you can spam LMB, it has a little more dps peril effective than the RMB.

tiny river
zinc wedge
#

I run devil's claw for self defense

#

Incase heretics get through the smitefield and the orbital strike staff

#

Going to heresy to get better fucking teammates

#

I hope

tiny river
wispy bay
#

Using force swords like deimos or fgs also good. With the peril block node and the projectile blocking blessing, you can take care of BoN.

zinc wedge
tiny river
#

Sometimes

wispy bay
#

Or you can run gun psyker

tiny river
zinc wedge
#

Me when my team so fucking ass I blow up and die because I'm focusing too much on keeping them alive

torn kernel
zinc wedge
#

If I use a gun on my psyker I have failed and switch to veteran or zealot

#

I came here for warp fuckery not steel or lasbolts

glacial vapor
zinc wedge
#

17 đŸ—Łïž đŸ”„ đŸ”„ đŸ”„

#

Because I've held off psyker for very long

tiny river
#

Honestly I feel like psyker is the hardest to level up

#

Cause hes so squishy

nocturne dust
#

Just assail

nocturne dust
wispy bay
#

Even if you are using guns, you are still doing magic fuckeries.

dull scroll
#

the gun is there so you don't ever have to press r

wispy bay
#

There are some abomination gun psyker build like combustion with KF, SG, and a few other random things, you shoot magic.

potent echo
#

People who hate gunker don't play assail staregryn

#

There's just no replacement for a zarona

wispy bay
#

The KF gun psyker is the one for those who don't like assail.

nocturne dust
nocturne dust
nocturne dust
dull scroll
#

this man hate scrier stacks

nocturne dust
#

I love scrier stacks

#

so much so

#

I do this

#

Fear me

#

For I have become Empyric Scrier, destroyer of heretics

dull scroll
#

what do you only pull out the staffs during WU?

nocturne dust
#

No?

dull scroll
#

then you hate them stacks

nocturne dust
#

Also no, you fool

#

Staff's improved quell means I can just sit in Scrier's much more easily chadgryn

upbeat kestrel
#

I have passed The driving test. I have a driving license

nocturne dust
#

You could also run a Transfer Peril blessing if you really want that TTS experience

marble crater
#

Congratulations chadgryn

nocturne dust
#

But the thing is, stacks only help if you don't kill the thing otherwise, and voidstrike very readily kills things outside of Havoc

#

Voidstrike in Havoc is...

marble crater
#

Havoc is...

nocturne dust
#

Cool.

#

Be a lot cooler if it had alternatives to Emperor's Shooting Light tho

upbeat kestrel
#

Big balls not good on havoc

nocturne dust
#

Imagine a havoc where the Fading light modifier could switch around and force different metas pogryn

#

Like one where few enemies spawn but the majority are bosses, or one where melee enemies get 300% speed

upbeat kestrel
#

Sedition numbers with appropriate damage and more health

paper dust
#

Havoc modifier idea
All gunners

edgy heart
upbeat kestrel
nocturne dust
#

Is.

marble crater
#

Keep the Fading Light modifier, remove the ranged enemy part and make that as well as other modifiers random

edgy heart
#

Amen

paper dust
#

Preferably in a open area map

nocturne dust
#

New modifier: no ranged attacks

marble crater
#

I don't think that would be very lights out, but yes I also want to play that

paper dust
nocturne dust
#

You don't get any either

#

No psyker ranged

edgy heart
#

So easy mode

paper dust
#

So vermintide

nocturne dust
#

No soulblaze

#

No DoT

#

Only melee

#

Pure

#

simple

#

stabby

paper dust
#

Not a zealot

edgy heart
#

No ranged. Us or allies is just easy mode

paper dust
#

Not a vet

#

Not a psycher bor ogryn

#

Just a man whom found a meat cleaver

#

With at most 2 doge

#

No stam

#

And you can barely deal with trash enemy

#

I like it

nocturne dust
paper dust
#

Imagine that as a event in pooptide

#

You get to play as a normal civ

nocturne dust
#

No more running

#

Only kill

paper dust
edgy heart
nocturne dust
paper dust
nocturne dust
#

Also you have 1 bar of stamina

edgy heart
#

15 seconds into the mission you die

nocturne dust
#

also no curios

paper dust
nocturne dust
#

Also you constantly take damage from being diseased because Nurgle

quartz barn
edgy heart
paper dust
edgy heart
nocturne dust
#

It takes the noobs 30 seconds to get out of spawn

paper dust
quartz barn
#

Idk ask the pubs

paper dust
#

The blood raven prob have it arleady

nocturne dust
paper dust
#

I still remenber playing auric

#

It was sniper and poxburster

nocturne dust
#

10% of randoms are cut out for the difficulty they're playing

#

The rest are lore-accurate Rejects

paper dust
#

The conga line of Porchester still scare me

edgy heart
paper dust
nocturne dust
#

wat server are you on where nobody ever dies in auric dam susgryn

edgy heart
#

Uh, na?

quartz barn
#

Most just play havoc, rip auric pub quality

nocturne dust
#

There's like 3 NA regions

#

NA West, NA East and Central iirc

edgy heart
#

Whichever nebraksa uses

nocturne dust
#

probably Central?

edgy heart
quartz barn
#

I never said anything about empty lobbies?

dull scroll
#

auric is a shitfest

#

if you don't play a solo carry build, gl

nocturne dust
#

Idk, are you sure you're just not noticing the randoms explode into blood confetti because they die so quick? KEKW_ogryn

quartz barn
#

Prob doesnt know any better tbh

paper dust
edgy heart
#

I will play havoc once quickplay gets added

quartz barn
#

Eh even AM feels bad to me now

paper dust
quartz barn
#

Way too easy + underwhelming amount of enemies

nocturne dust
edgy heart
nocturne dust
dull scroll
#

randos do not see specials

edgy heart
nocturne dust
#

I don't know a single player that can possibly save 3 randoms from themselves

edgy heart
dull scroll
#

they only see the critters in front of them

paper dust
#

It suck

potent echo
#

Run into the open during boss, horde, and sniper fog spawn pogryn

paper dust
#

H40 felt like going through the motion

nocturne dust
#

I literally recently had a match where a rando went down like 14 times

potent echo
#

I'll save you fr- guh

edgy heart
#

When they add quickplay to havoc auric damn will never see me again

paper dust
#

Please tell me

nocturne dust
#

and sometimes they're in such suicidal positions you will die too if you try to get them back up

edgy heart
#

Nah, I'm built different

dull scroll
#

have you ever seen 3 guys all fall down the same cliff each trying to pull up the previous dude?

paper dust
nocturne dust
dull scroll
#

auric is a spectacle

edgy heart
paper dust
quartz barn
#

I literally never go for revives unless im right next to them (excluding havoc)

paper dust
#

It ain't fun

nocturne dust
#

Save them from themselves chadgryn

quartz barn
#

90% of the time its just not worth it

nocturne dust
#

(but you ain't doing that consistently enough for nobody to die in AM)

edgy heart
paper dust
nocturne dust
#

I like chorus because it lets me do nothing and chill

#

😎

paper dust
nocturne dust
#

Out here on a tropical vacation just chilling with my bible

paper dust
#

And let my inner meow meow out

nocturne dust
#

Zealot bibble

edgy heart
#

Where is it

dull scroll
#

the book

paper dust
edgy heart
#

WHERES THE BOOK, WHY IS THERE NO BOOK

nocturne dust
#

In my zealot's undergarments, probably

edgy heart
#

It bothers me

nocturne dust
#

📖

#

Here

#

Book

paper dust
#

God I wanna enjoy sweet crisp

edgy heart
edgy heart
#

RAAAAA isaac_pogU

nocturne dust
dull scroll
#

nothing grinds your teeth more than seeing zealots double booking in havoc 😬

nocturne dust
#

I'm sensing heresy

edgy heart
#

I'll cry you to death

edgy heart
#

Make it 3

nocturne dust
paper dust
dull scroll
edgy heart
#

Jork each other book

paper dust
#

How dare you book is nice

nocturne dust
#

Double bubble, double book chadgryn

edgy heart
#

WHERE IS THE BOOK, THERES NO BOOK

nocturne dust
#

Turn off brain, embrace monkeigh

dull scroll
#

double bubble is perfectly fine đŸ˜€

paper dust
#

WHERES THE BOOK

edgy heart
edgy heart
#

WHY IS THE BOOK

paper dust
edgy heart
paper dust
#

Personally I like book so I can teabag down people in peace

nocturne dust
#

Scrier's is lame

dull scroll
paper dust
#

And push boss off

nocturne dust
#

Imagine being nothing but a boring old damage buff

edgy heart
#

I don't like book cause there's no book

paper dust
edgy heart
#

Zealot is a librarian?

#

Donde esta la biblioteca

paper dust
nocturne dust
edgy heart
#

Let there be Astartes

paper dust
nocturne dust
#

Astartes 2: Primaris Boogaloo

paper dust
#

Anyhow being hrlldiver more then darktide rightnow

nocturne dust
#

Imagine

#

playing

#

Helldivers

edgy heart
#

For some reason my pc cannot run helldivers

paper dust
#

Sadly the new stratagem have a 5min cooldown

edgy heart
#

But i can run darktide

nocturne dust
#

I refuse to play Helldivers as long as they carry that crappy anticheat.

edgy heart
#

Idc about anticheat, doesn't bother me

marble crater
#

For some reason my Xbox also can't run Helldivers, oh that's right, because for some reason exclusives still exist

dull scroll
#

is it fun now, last I played people were just spamming short defense missions

paper dust
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I mean, it wouldn't bother me if it was a non-kernel anticheat or had a reputation that wasn't bottom barrel

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I couldn't care less about cheaters, worse case scenario I just leave the match

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Exclusive stink

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And I need to get myself to play the old armor core game

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I have better things to do with my time than complain about things that don't affect me

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Its free on google

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Anyhow yeah

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Exclusive does really suck

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Did they add random loaoduts yet?

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Still no bloodborn port

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Rip

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Looking forward to that

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And they issue a dmca on the modder working on the bloodborn whom was bringing it to pc

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You remember earlier when I complained about party finder?

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Same thing

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I value my time

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Ok

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