psyker-class

[patent mango]

idk anything bout it

[analog agate]

I did like among us for a week

[patent mango]

i havent played it yet

[upper galleon]

For zealot chat pls ignore

[patent mango]

scary.....

[deft stump]

This is probably why I managed to get that kill dogs and such with BB before they jump penance in 2 days.

[upper sun]

yee in auric dogs need like 40% peril? to die from BB in damnation

essentially if you start from zero it wont die you need to start from like 10 or somth

[marble crater]

Doesn't surprise me, release is tomorrow

[patent mango]

i meant amogus

[upper sun]

aaaa

[patent mango]

i meant the zealot chat mention

[upper sun]

meant to link that comment to kariien

[marble crater]

Ah

Warudo is causing a lot of misunderstandings

[patent mango]

not enough

ohhhhh my gog

a patc hcame out

i forgot to enable mods

help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[deft stump]

But in malice... HEH.

What dog?

What trapper?

What mutie?

With FP to speed it up.

[deft stump]

Look, penance hunting for cosmetics is srs bsn.

[hearty wolf]

I want to penance hunt havoc 50 >;(

Fatshark pls patch

It's 2025

[fierce surge]

Quick question when using empowered psionics keystone which is better? Bio-Lodestone or overpowering souls?

[analog agate]

Overpowering

[marble crater]

Whichever is the charge for elite kills

[fierce surge]

Overpowering gotcha thanks!

[pure dragon]

I just did my first match using smite

I'm not going to enjoy getting this penance

[analog agate]

Which one is it

[pure dragon]

2500 kills. Teammates count as well

[queen fog]

Enemies dying in the middle of getting shocked by smite

[pure dragon]

So it shouldn't take long I just kinda don't like casting smite

[upper sun]

try listening to an audio book in the background

itll make it go by faster

[marble crater]

Are you using EP at least?

[pure dragon]

Good thinking

I am, yeah

[marble crater]

Is that why you don't hear the trappers?

[upper sun]

no im just old and hard of hearing

[marble crater]

Fair enough

Get internet, we need to do h40

[near gale]

Nice ostrich

[paper dust]

o great ferret of the sky

truly

''pog champ''

[dull scroll]

depends, the non-elite one is better for smite, assail and bb the elite one

[upper galleon]

Smite really doesn’t matter unless you have a habit of canceling smites randomly

[dull scroll]

doesn't matter for what, doesn't matter it gets empowered or doesn't matter which empowered keynode?

[broken carbon]

overpowering souls

[broken carbon]

latter

[paper dust]

o great ferret poster please grant me this greedy i wish to taste more of your great nectar, please give us just a pinch more of the sweet drop @upper galleon

[dull scroll]

it does matter on higher diff

if you running smite you are not going to get much chance killing elites during horde

[broken carbon]

the other way around

[dull scroll]

the increased chance of getting empowered charge from killing critters benefits a lot since your smite will be killing a lot of them

[broken carbon]

with elite density on higher difficulties

it’s significantly easier to get guaranteed charges

[dull scroll]

chances are it aren't going to be your smite killing them

the amount of hp they have

[upper galleon]

The source extended talent

[broken carbon]

overall it doesn’t matter though, you get plenty of them due to only consuming like

[dull scroll]

it's your teammate stabbing them

[broken carbon]

1 charge every 30 seconds

(as in, you’re smiting for so long)

[upper galleon]

You can really go with either, one of your other 2 options will be anti elite

Smite simply doesn’t use it’s charges fast enough to matter

One ep charge per cast if i’m at3 charges i have it for the rest of the game

[dull scroll]

again, depending on the difficulties, high havoc you have hordes for days, and if you running smite you'll be smiting for days

you won't have much chance killing elites yourself

[upper galleon]

Yea and smiting for days only uses one charge

[dull scroll]

but you will be killing a shitton of critters

I ran both and I'm simply saying what I think from experience

[broken carbon]

on paper i get what you mean

but in practice

it just really doesn’t matter

[dull scroll]

I aren't talking on paper, I am saying in practice

it does

but again, if you playing in auric or whatnot, then it doens't matter

[broken carbon]

if you are consuming smite charges that fast then you’re playing wrong

[dull scroll]

lol

sure

[broken carbon]

fym sure

if you run EP smite, and manage to go through your smite charges that fast, then you’re cancelling your smite far too fast

[wispy bay]

Same arguments, same responds.

[broken carbon]

discord!

[dull scroll]

just auric things

[patent mango]

dlss 4 is so nice for dt tbh

one of the few uses of ai that isnt abysmal

[buoyant maple]

DLSS 4 performance looks about as good as DLSS 3.5’s quality mode

[patent mango]

whar is 3,5

[buoyant maple]

DLSS before DLSS4

[patent mango]

huh

[fierce surge]

Oo I am runnin smite

[patent mango]

somehow never heard of 3.5 lmao

[fierce surge]

Caused such a battle from one question..as is the Psyker way

[humble skiff]

does in fire reborn apply to when a teammate kills that enemy with soulblaze?

[signal atlas]

Hey fellows, maniac and flak damage in a deimos or flak and carapace?

[marble crater]

I want to say, yes. It seems to be when the enemy dies while inflicted with soulblaze

[marble crater]

How about maniac and carapace?

[upper sun]

maniac and carapace or carapace and unyielding

[signal atlas]

I was always told flak is goated but idk

[marble crater]

Depends on the weapon, really

[upper sun]

yeah on staves and other weapons but deimos already has great flak damage im sure H2 one taps most flak without it maybe just some general buffs

[marble crater]

And what you use it for, Deimos mostly for muties and maulers/crushers

[signal atlas]

Yeah that’s mainly what I use it for, and ragers, so what would be the best for those? Carapace and maniac?

[upper sun]

maniac for dreg ragers yeah

[marble crater]

And carapace for drag ragers

Scab*

[upper sun]

their heads are flak still

[pure dragon]

Flak face

[marble crater]

Really?

[upper sun]

@signal atlas https://darktide.gameslantern.com/enemies
if you click on an enemy you can find out what armor each part us

[prime elk]

Yeah

Would be brutal if the heads were also carapace

[upper sun]

things like staves and damage over time target center mass

[marble crater]

Center mass was supposed to be carapace, yet here we are

[upper sun]

their bodies arent even real carapace they take a lot more dot damage than crushers

its like dollarstore carapace

[prime elk]

Treated as flak for DOT purposes iirc

[upper sun]

what the FUCK is the point then

LETS BUFF THE MELEE ENEMY AGAINST MELEE

[prime elk]

Honestly it's more of a buff against stuff like assail and braced auto guns lol

[upper sun]

i need to kidnap fatshark devs and force them to melee ragers for 200 hours

the dreg speed rager was so fucking stupid and unneeded

they were in a good place before

now theyre back to dodge backwards shoot

[signal atlas]

Gosh I am so conflicted on what to use lol

[patent mango]

gaming

(ignore the claws)

[marble crater]

Use both, test them, see if the perks make sense for the enemies you are engaging.
For example unyielding could be a great perk on a melee weapon and be meta, but if you never engage Bulwarks, reapers or monstrosities with the weapon then it makes no sense for you to use it

[paper dust]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-street-fighter-gif-14106450

[buoyant maple]

they're
flak weakspot
flak core (vs DOT)
carapace torso (vs explosive)

[marble crater]

And for voidblast they are considered what now?

[patent mango]

scary

[marble crater]

Spam it at your feet and survive

[patent mango]

rocket jump

[marble crater]

I hope I can play again tomorrow, I'm suffering from withdrawal. I don't know how clad does it

[patent mango]

think about dt gameplay

[upper sun]

🚬

[patent mango]

imagine an entire round of it

[upper sun]

im playing dt in my head rn

[patent mango]

every second of it

imagine the zealot walking up t othe crusher and getting overheaded

[upper sun]

🚬 that was like my last game

i dead ass ended on a loss

[patent mango]

lmao

[upper sun]

#darktide-pics-vids message

[marble crater]

Want to play your first game with me and start on a loss too?

[upper sun]

hell yeah

[marble crater]

Enclavum Baross is waiting for us clad

[marble crater]

Why is he standing on the shield, is he stupid?

[patent mango]

yea

[marble crater]

Doesn't he know that's where everyone will aim at

[patent mango]

no

[jovial juniper]

[buoyant maple]

Voidblast’s charged attack is explosive dmg

[marble crater]

I thought it targets the core armor type

[fiery stratus]

Anyone wanna do auric?

[buoyant maple]

Well
That’s DOT

Explosions behave a little differently

U can go VB charged atk vs scab mauler and scab rager to test

[marble crater]

Nah I believe you

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/gaming-racing-meme-funny-rotating-chair-gif-25258918

https://tenor.com/view/no-gamers-no-gamers-sad-gif-25207269

[marble crater]

I'm in bed, sorry

[fiery stratus]

[nocturne dust]

I can game

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/hugsss-iluvmybf-gif-16369092014331238171

@nocturne dust they left 😦

[nocturne dust]

lol

[fiery stratus]

played with that person quite a few times, uh they're uh

not great lol

[feral carbon]

lets go

[muted grove]

I’m so there any movement techs for the BFS

[strange jewel]

Brain burst charge faster when locked into an enemy with left clic?

[brazen rampart]

VB gets a pass because psykers typically aim it at things that need to be staggered, like a bulwark trying to rush past the rest of the team or a train of ragers that spawned behind the team. They cant disable some 60 enemies at a time with it so my talents still work.

[muted grove]

Ok but fr any thoughts cuz I’m mentally ill about wanting to try new builds constantly

[patent mango]

stab people

[deft stump]

@paper dust She just blep now.

[proper osprey]

What a nasty beast

Peep my cat cheesecake

[patent mango]

sog

[feral carbon]

537 more, just 537 more

[muted grove]

Is there a good reason to use the fgs over the normal one?

[patent mango]

to stab everyone

[analog agate]

It can do horde clear and single target well

[nocturne dust]

depends on your use

FGS is a very good offensive all-rounder

normal force sword is more defensive

[muted grove]

Do you happen to have a recommendation for blessings for the fgs?

[nocturne dust]

I use wrath and unstable power

but you can't really go wrong with blessings on FGS outside of warp slice and blazing spirit (which are both very bad)

wrath is a general recommendation if you don't have warp splitting

[prime elk]

honestly i think taking both wrath and warp splitting is not a bad idea

[muted grove]

Is mobility the dump stat for fgs

[prime elk]

warp resist is

negative warp resist is a good thing

[patent mango]

it doesnt have mobility actually

u dump warp res cause warp res stinky

[nocturne dust]

lies perpetuated by big heresy

[nocturne dust]

warp res is the dump

Swords just do not generate peril, and even if they did warp res scales so poorly it doesn't matter

[potent echo]

Gaming

[nocturne dust]

Like, outside of meme spamming the generate peril button specifically to generate peril, you're not going to be generate much peril in melee

[wispy bay]

You really want that little mobility increase for the FGS.

[young falcon]

When warp gun

[feral carbon]

one high intensity hunting ground later

[dull scroll]

what u want with FGS is this little thing or those crusher blobs gonna catch yo ass

[nocturne dust]

Lmao, imagine needing warp speed

Why run when you can kill?

[dull scroll]

I am traumatized by blobs

don't mock me

[prime elk]

you take warp speed so you can run from elites

i take warp speed so i can kill things before the zealot

we are not the same

[feral carbon]

i take warp speed and disrupt destiny so i can be on adderall

[nocturne dust]

well, DD makes sense

it's the only keystone that buffs melee

[dull scroll]

it's the anime character node, you zoom across the map like a protag

[nocturne dust]

It's nice when all the speed buffs are active

Waiting for the day that happens more than once or twice a match at most

[prime elk]

warp speed is fantastic, and anyone who says otherwise is jelly for being constantly left behind in the dust

[nocturne dust]

me watching the rest of the team run in and die

[deft stump]

Is funny when the zealot is the one lagging behind.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/jon-stewart-eat-eating-popcorn-watching-gif-3094746547306242594

[prime elk]

they would've prob lived if they had warp speed

[nocturne dust]

They did have warp speed

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-dog-suspicious-look-suspicious-doubt-dog-doubt-gif-23680990

[nocturne dust]

But me slow staffker going to solo the entire map

[deft stump]

Naw, stick mindset so... always near slowest.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I don't hate the nodes, they could just be... not crap. Like, Warp Speed should be active during the lingering effect

[prime elk]

they aren't crap, speed buffs are the best

[nocturne dust]

DD's speed is weird because it's also a dodge and way too short to ever be consistent

[nocturne dust]

they're very much crap, specifically because they're so inconsistent you can never rely on them, which means you can gamble for benefit because it's not something that will always immediately help like a blast of damage

[prime elk]

we've had this discussion before

[nocturne dust]

Yes

My opinion remains the same. Shocking twist.

[prime elk]

as does mine

[nocturne dust]

Who could've guessed that the unchanged nodes have an unchanged opinion

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pikachu-shocked-speechless-woah-gif-17186654

[nocturne dust]

Truly one of the Darktides of all time

I've yet to see anyone use/benefit from the speed in a consistent way that would actually make me take those nodes (for the speed, I take Mettle and DD for other reasons )

And you may say "Who cares about meta when fun" and to that I answer ME, I CARE ABOUT META

[dull scroll]

listen, when you pick up scriar you are already playing a meme build

what's one more drop in the bucket

[nocturne dust]

Scrier's is actually pretty dangerous. It's boring, is the reason why I hate it.

The only meme would be taking Scrier's with Inferno

Like some uncivilized savage

[young falcon]

Taking DD and SG sometimes feels like a lot of work just to basically be zealot.

[deft stump]

Hrm?

[nocturne dust]

Zealots with Duelist:

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-look-what-they-need-to-mimic-a-fraction-of-our-power-gif-25672186

[nocturne dust]

You read me.

[deft stump]

You mean good but op? Kay.

[brazen rampart]

Have you considered simply oneshotting the crushers?

[nocturne dust]

No, I don't.

You. Read. Me.

[feral carbon]

psykhana is done, now just these two, smooth sailing

[wind spruce]

Whether or not warp speed is useful, I don't think it makes sense to describe it this way. It's not inconsistent or a gamble, it has a very predictable trigger and can be relied upon for the duration of scriers

[dull scroll]

no, clearly the sword isn't sharp enough

[nocturne dust]

Well, I was including mettle and DD's speed

[dull scroll]

you'd have to bang on their head 2-3 times

[wind spruce]

Fair

[brazen rampart]

You can oneshot crushers with it.

I promise. :)

[nocturne dust]

Warp Speed's issue is it's a whole point for speed that isn't even always there

[dull scroll]

if you get lucky crit on the push stab maybe 😒

[wind spruce]

Yeah but zoomies!

[brazen rampart]

Between the 14-15 stacks of DD and 10 or so seconds of scriers, you absolutely meet the oneshot breakpoint, assuming your perks are right.

(you need carapace damage)

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/husky-zoomies-gottagofast-gif-26617983

[wind spruce]

It me

[vagrant onyx]

So many ferrets

I've only ever had 3 at one time

[muted grove]

sorry to keep asking s many questions yall but uhhh, are the marks for the bfgs about the same or is there a reasoning to one being more popular than the other?

[prime elk]

fgs?

both marks are good

it's basically personal pref (mk8 is better)

[brazen rampart]

Mk8 is much simpler, mk6 has a higher single target damage profile because it has a thrust as a heavy instead of a push attack.

[muted grove]

Is sprint efficiency a worthwhile add on for the bfgs ?

[brazen rampart]

No.

[muted grove]

Wonderful explanation tyvm

[prime elk]

the effective difference in single target dps isn't that high

[thorn cedar]

never anything less than actual damage for your sword

[nocturne dust]

(mk6 is better)

[prime elk]

mk8 also has better horde clear

[nocturne dust]

no

[thorn cedar]

or weapons in general really

[brazen rampart]

Run cara uny riposte/shred precog/wrath (wrath dependent on whether or not you take warp splitting).

Riposte or shred is up to preference.

[nocturne dust]

Sprint Efficiency isn't an option for like... any weapon you want to use

[muted grove]

Well flak is the usual selection right

[nocturne dust]

It turns out, more damage is a whole lot better than slightly more stamina

[brazen rampart]

Fgs doesnt need it.

[nocturne dust]

for FGS? No

[brazen rampart]

Especially if youre running scriers/dd.

[nocturne dust]

FGS has high enough damage that you really only take carapace + unyielding, with or without scriers/dd

[brazen rampart]

Flak would only change bucket head breakpoints and you can oneshot them anyway.

[muted grove]

Oh hell yeah that’s great info, makes sense

[brazen rampart]

Your heavies oneshot any elite with a flak head.

[nocturne dust]

They also oneshot specials

Even mutants with DD

[brazen rampart]

Crushers can be oneshot with mk8 push attack or mk6 poke if you stack a few seconds of scriers and your usual 14-15 stacks of dd.

[brazen rampart]

I don't like tempting fate by winding up a mk8 overhead so I pre push to get the poke and just let them run into it.

[nocturne dust]

Imagine needing to bother

mk8 moment

[analog agate]

I like mk6 more

[brazen rampart]

Anyway, if you want a build for fgs, I can throw one at ya.

[muted grove]

Hit me

[thorn cedar]

idk seems rude

only just met you

[thorn cedar]

oh right the build

[brazen rampart]

I run this with the blue recon, flak unarmored infernus dumdum.

[thorn cedar]

Unarmored eh

[brazen rampart]

Gun is for dispatching shooters, sword is for anything else.

[thorn cedar]

I used to til havocs

[brazen rampart]

Mix assail in for horde clear/elite stun.

[thorn cedar]

nobody else ever seemed to

[brazen rampart]

I have a significant amount of shooter racism when I play psyker, even moreso when playing gunker.

[thorn cedar]

it is where most shots are going, i ended up just sticking to unyielding since running assail meant i wasnt actually using it that much on them

at least not nearly as much as my brain thought

[brazen rampart]

I dont mind spraying reapers a little more.

[thorn cedar]

and unyielding is a pretty nice benefit for Infernus too

[brazen rampart]

Volume of fire against me is more threatening than a reaper I can shoot in the face for a sec and suppress.

Let the burn do the work with your gun to conserve ammo.

[thorn cedar]

it isn't even really about the damage though, we both know this

you just need a fat target for EE lmao

[brazen rampart]

Yeah, the longer he lives, the faster I can reacquire targets.

[nocturne dust]

For a moment I was like "flame staff, good choice"

Fatshark why have you done this

[muted grove]

Is there any reason to let the r3 for the fgs finish it’s animation before sending the beams flying?

[nocturne dust]

r3?

[thorn cedar]

oh, controller?

what's R3

press down stick, so special?

[muted grove]

Uh I’m a pc player but I use controller uhhhhhh I’m trying to remember the kbm keybind

[thorn cedar]

nah you can just huck it as soon as you can

[muted grove]

Nice!

I’m guessing this doesn’t have any sliding movement techs does it

[thorn cedar]

not really

[brazen rampart]

There is a difference in holding the charge or not because you are also swinging the sword to do it and have a melee hitbox on the attack.

[thorn cedar]

i mean you can huck it whenever so that would include mid-slide

but it doesnt hold for very long after you activate it

[brazen rampart]

You can hit some interesting "oneshot" breakpoints by combining the melee part of the attack and the warp part of the attack.

For example, a 2 charge slash to a scab ragers head will instantly kill him if you hit the melee part.

Your sweep heavy alone in your moveset won't kill him, nor will the 2 charge slash, alone, but together, you delete him.

(Mk6 does have a sweep btw before anybody tries saying it doesn't)

[nocturne dust]

Funnily enough, mk8 has the same sweep if you do a light after pushing

[brazen rampart]

No it doesn't.

[nocturne dust]

Yes it does

[brazen rampart]

It's heavy after pushing.

[nocturne dust]

That's a stab

[brazen rampart]

Push goes into h1.

No, not PA, doofus.

[analog agate]

Whelp, I did my monthly ogryn try. And realize how shitty ogryn is and how truly shit teammates are

[brazen rampart]

Just a push.

[analog agate]

Back to humans

[brazen rampart]

Push goes into h1 on mk8.

Or you can do push, l1, l2, h1.

[nocturne dust]

no

that's if you do push attack

[brazen rampart]

The only sweep mk8 has from the left, like the sweep from mk6, is the draw anim one.

[brazen rampart]

I swear to God if I have to boot up the game just to show you that you're being dumb I'm going to make your brain explode.

[nocturne dust]

I will boot up the game mfer

[brazen rampart]

Push with mk8, you go into h1.

If you light first then your heavy will be an overhead.

Same thing with chaining into heavies from PA.

[analog agate]

push does go into H1 on mk8

[brazen rampart]

PA poke goes into overhead, push > light goes into overhead, push > heavy is the sweep from the right.

The only sweep from the left, like the mk6 sweep, is the draw animation and sprint animation attacks.

Please, argue with me more about the moveset of the sword I've played ~60 levels with.

[nocturne dust]

lmao bragging about 60 levels

one sec, lemme export a video

[brazen rampart]

I'm not bragging, I'm stating play time with it.

[brazen rampart]

Watch him post mk6.

[nocturne dust]

it's a video of both

sweeped

[brazen rampart]

A sweeping heavy you idiot!

[muted grove]

1. What even is the main difference between the marks and
2. How do you one shot muties

[brazen rampart]

God, you can't read!

[nocturne dust]

#psyker-class message

You're the one who can't read

[last shore]

He did say push attack stab

You just blocked then did heavy

Not push attack

[brazen rampart]

Mk8 is better for horde clear as it has access to a sweeping heavy from neutral and the draw attack is the same sweep from the left. Mk6 is better for single target because the thrust heavy is more easily accessible and has a significantly higher damage profile.

As for oneshotting mutants, you need disrupt destiny.

[brazen rampart]

The topic was mk6 having a sweep heavy you dingus.

[muted grove]

Nice! Do people usually only use the special when both bars are filled?

[brazen rampart]

You were saying, for whatever reason, that mk8 had the same sweeping heavy if you do push > light > heavy.

[nocturne dust]

Yes yes yes, I'm at fault

[brazen rampart]

1 bar is enough to clear all chaff on your screen, 2 bars is needed to clear elites.

[nocturne dust]

Clearly when I specified light I was talking about heavies

[brazen rampart]

You will survive longer if you know when to use 1 bar.

[prime elk]

1 bar for trash, 2 bars for mixed hordes

and then 0 bars when you want to spike peril

or just stagger shit

[last shore]

What about 10 bars

[prime elk]

auto win button

[brazen rampart]

Local psyker cleaves planet in half, more news at 4.

[dull scroll]

deflect doesn't block sniper, this is some bs

[nocturne dust]

Sniper has block break, yeah

It's dumb, and imo if you're eating a whole blessing it should make blocking count as a shield too so you can block snipers/overheads

@fiery stratus The Voidstrike dream, a long hallway https://youtu.be/KDE17OkUGvw

I feel like I got a couple hundred kills in those few moments really boosted my stats murdering the whole horde

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/twitch-gachi-bass-gachi-funny-face-gif-13263215

The cleave

[brazen rampart]

Do not allow psyker to fucking block overheads, the only class that should be able to do that is ogryn.

[nocturne dust]

No

[brazen rampart]

Actual madness to suggest psyker get MORE tools to turn off game mechanics.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, imo every class should have shields

and Ogryn should, y'know, get buffed to be actually good

[buoyant maple]

Nah
Unblockable exists for a reason

[nocturne dust]

It shouldn't.

Like, if you want to invest a ton into blocking 'unblockables', should totally be a thing you can do.

[buoyant maple]

Block should be made better in general for all classes, but some things are meant to be unblockable

[nocturne dust]

Right, and one of the ways block can be made better

is by making unblockables not so unblockable

[buoyant maple]

Why would u want to encourage blocking overheads tho

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I just want to encourage things other than dodging for defense

Dodge is all there is 😔

[buoyant maple]

Yea, u can do that by making perfect block actually do something

So it actually matters vs ragers

Not for u to tank overheads with

[nocturne dust]

oh lawd, not Sekiro mechanics 😰

[brazen rampart]

Because he's a giant noob and uses rending flames to take out crushers.

Scared of melee smh.

[noble mason]

🤣

[nocturne dust]

You're the giant noob if you can't admit PF is better than warp flurry

[buoyant maple]

This game’s perfect block window is very very generous

[brazen rampart]

Warp flurry is ass, I noted this before.

[buoyant maple]

200ms (1/5 of a second)

It’s just not used for almost everything

[brazen rampart]

Nexus is better across the board for purg when compared to pf.

[nocturne dust]

So you are admitting it?

[brazen rampart]

Void, I genuinely become more and more certain that there is a disconnect somewhere in your head with each passing sentence you make.

🚬

[nocturne dust]

And you're just a dick, so we both have problems 🤷‍♂️

[brazen rampart]

I may be a dick, but I am correct.

[nocturne dust]

You haven't been correct so far.

[buoyant maple]

I think block’s problem is 2fold

1. The guard broken animation is too long & too restrictive
2. Most classes don’t have enough stamina for blocking multiple hits without +stamina curios

[brazen rampart]

I've been correct every time. :)

[nocturne dust]

So, another incorrect statement, saying you are correct

[brazen rampart]

I dont open my mouth about something that I'm unsure on without giving a disclaimer.

[buoyant maple]

Making psyker be able to block overhead with 1 talent wouldn’t address either

[nocturne dust]

Neither do I

If I'm unsure I use words like 'iirc' and 'I think'. Idk what you're trying to imply.

[buoyant maple]

And psyker already is overdue for some reasonable nerfs (mainly scaling vs density)

[brazen rampart]

The way I see getting around the 2nd one is to deepen stamina pools and make sprint consume more stamina so as not to disrupt the movement aspect of the game.

[noble mason]

never change psyker chat. never change

[brazen rampart]

So your sprint time remains unchanged, but you have a deeper pool to draw on for blocking.

Alternatively just... make attacks consume less stamina on blocking.

And I do agree that perfect blocks should be a thing to note.

They are essential to your survival in vt2 and would make for an excellent defensive option in darktide, if they were actually worth using.

And on that, buff the blessings involving perfect blocks on relic blade.

The fact that the attack speed buff one can't refresh itself and has a cooldown longer than its duration is fucking criminal.

[buoyant maple]

I wouldn’t call it “investing a ton” tbh

1 talent
1 blessing
What else, stamina curio?

[nocturne dust]

Well, currently, no, because you can't do it

[brazen rampart]

Also on the topic on stamina and defensive options, give dclaw some fucking parry blessings already.

It's not too complicated to pull off, I'm sure.

So much bloat for stagger its unreal.

[nocturne dust]

That would make too much sense

Fatshark could never

[buoyant maple]

Well, if u want to make it blockable, what would be the conditions

[brazen rampart]

Dclaw has what, 5 stagger blessings?

Trauma, hammerblow, skullcrusher, vicious slice...

I'm sure I'm missing one.

[buoyant maple]

Thunderstrike

[brazen rampart]

There it is!

[buoyant maple]

Skullcrusher is not a stagger blessing tho

[brazen rampart]

It involves staggering targets so I'm counting it.

🤷

[brazen rampart]

Frankly, just let ogryns block overheads without eating shit and call it a day.

[nocturne dust]

Idk, probably a blessing slot/specific weapon + stamina curio just to block a single one, and on that alone you'd probably still have it eat into your toughness and break your block (but not chew straight through your toughness or anything)

[brazen rampart]

The fact that shield can do that anyway by tonking but not by blocking is stupid.

[buoyant maple]

I think it would be fair if the condition was like
Kinetic deflection
Deflector
Block efficiency on weapon
Block efficiency on all curios
16 total stamina

[nocturne dust]

That feels like way too much for it to ever be used

[buoyant maple]

Exactly

Don’t encourage it

[nocturne dust]

Well, no

[brazen rampart]

(Path is telling you you're dumb without trying to be mean)

[buoyant maple]

No

The conditions I listed are very specific

[brazen rampart]

[nocturne dust]

There's a difference between not encouraging and 'this is a dumpster fire, but you can do it'

[brazen rampart]

You know how you can avoid the dumpster fire?

By not trying to invalidate game mechanics.

[buoyant maple]

It requires +2 stamina and 20% block efficiency on weapon, on top of triple +3 stamina curio and triple curio block resist

[brazen rampart]

On the class that already has plenty of options for invalidating game mechanics.

[nocturne dust]

That doesn't make any sense

[buoyant maple]

It’s the absolute maximum investment u can make for blocking

[nocturne dust]

For one, blocking is a game mechanic invalidated by unblockables

[buoyant maple]

Allowing that to tank overhead via block, is somewhat fair

Anything below that, no

[brazen rampart]

Overheads are a mechanic to force you to learn to dodge and manage your dodge count correctly. What you are suggesting is removal of overheads as a mechanic.

They are unblockable on purpose.

[nocturne dust]

Overheads can still do that tho

[brazen rampart]

The only class that should get the ability to block overheads is ogryn, because one, you're a fucking ogryn, you could pick that mauler up and throw him if you wanted to, and two, you only have 2 dodges on most weapons.

[nocturne dust]

Like, blocking puts your damage at 0 anyway while you do it, so dodging is still superior

[brazen rampart]

And you lack linger frames.

[nocturne dust]

and even if we ignore that, blocking a single overhead after quite a bit of investment isn't going to invalidate having to learn dodge management

[buoyant maple]

Yea, just absolute maximum investment

Below that, no

[nocturne dust]

I disagree.

[brazen rampart]

Then disagree (and be wrong).

[buoyant maple]

Then it shouldn’t be a thing entirely

[brazen rampart]

Local psyker terrified of melee suggests removal of oneshot attacks as a psyker only feature, more news at 4.

[nocturne dust]

Your opinions are stated, and I want you to know they are bad.

[buoyant maple]

Besides like
Doesn’t PA with force sword already stagger overhead anyway

[nocturne dust]

[brazen rampart]

Have you considered dodging?

[nocturne dust]

Excuse me

[buoyant maple]

Why do u have to block for it

[nocturne dust]

Dumb dumb

Who said psyker-specific

[buoyant maple]

When u can press 1 more button and just PA

[brazen rampart]

Both fgs and 1h force swords PA can stagger crushers out of overhead, deimos can knock a crusher on his ass with an h2 headshot, ds special exists, taxe special exists.

[buoyant maple]

If ur talking about all classes being able to block overhead in general

I’m not sure if that’s a good idea

[brazen rampart]

He is literally just terrible at melee and wants a coping mechanism so he doesn't have to manage dodges correctly.

Go run agile ds or something smh.

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, yeah, all you're capable of is bad faith arguments

[buoyant maple]

I don’t think talking in a condescending manner achieves anything

[nocturne dust]

It makes them feel good, I bet

[lunar hollow]

it achieves everything. nirvana is reached when you realize being annoying on the internet is the only thing that matters

[modest patrol]

…I know how to keep crusher overheads from one-shotting

[brazen rampart]

[buoyant maple]

Because this just makes knife more overpowered than it already is (max stamina for max PA spam for dps, also gets to tank overheads)

[brazen rampart]

Finally, someone that understands me...

[buoyant maple]

And it invalidates a core mechanic (unblockable attacks)

[modest patrol]

…be a seven-wound martyr zealot at full health and tank the overhead like a boss

[nocturne dust]

Well, why do dodges get to be the super special defense mechanic that nothing invalidates?

[brazen rampart]

You need to run bleed for the emperor to slash the damage like 4 times and stop it from even proccing until death, too.

Every wound threshold you pass cuts the damage by another 40%.

[buoyant maple]

I don’t disagree that block can be made better

But making them counter attacks designed to drain your dodge count is not a great idea imo

[nocturne dust]

We already have those attacks tho

we also have nets

and dogs

and yes you can push dogs

but like

you can stagger overheads

[brazen rampart]

Lots of things invalidate dodges. Zoning specialists, maulers, crushers, bulwarks, etc all are designed to drain dodges.

[nocturne dust]

so 🤷‍♂️

[nocturne dust]

No?

None of those invalidate dodges

They make you use them

[brazen rampart]

That's... what that means.

[nocturne dust]

That is literally the opposite of invalidation

[modest patrol]

I can’t even remember if I have that node tbh, my internet has shat the bed so badly the last couple of days I haven’t been able to play

[brazen rampart]

Left side, right above stuns, pretty good node if it had toughness gen worth a damn.

[nocturne dust]

Overheads prevent using blocking -> invalidation
Nets force you to use dodge -> somehow invalidation???

[brazen rampart]

EWEW is great but it isn't good enough to be your main source of toughness.

[worn heron]

🍿

[buoyant maple]

They could take block in several directions

Shorten guard broken duration

Reduce guard broken’s mobility penalty

Cap stamina cost for perfect block

Grant reduced push cost after perfect block

Cause perfect blocked attacker to have less stagger reduction

Improve weapons’ base block efficiency

Etc

[nocturne dust]

They could

They won't.

[worn heron]

Agree

Agree w frog and path ,, rare ,,

[buoyant maple]

It’s their choice, y’all were talking pure hypotheticals anyway

[nocturne dust]

True

[lunar hollow]

make block cost 3x stamina. quintuple guardbreak duration

[thorn cedar]

pressing block kills you

[nocturne dust]

But like, again, there's nothing invalidating dodges. Dodges are essential to the game in a way nothing else is.

[brazen rampart]

Blocking an attack now closes your game and boots up OW2.

[nocturne dust]

other than... walking I guess

[modest patrol]

Welp I don’t on my standard build but I oughta give it a run sometime

Usually take knives

[worn heron]

Dodging is a fundamental part of tide games :p

It makes combat more interactive than holding a button

That's why theyre there

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but why no alternatives?

[worn heron]

It's also why the perfect parry exists in vt2

Idk what other alternative there can be...? A perfect parry and a static block are all present in darktide

[buoyant maple]

Do u remember the time when combat axe could chain stagger crushers forever until they die

[worn heron]

Some attacks need to be dodged, others can be blocked

[nocturne dust]

Block would literally be a potential alternative

[worn heron]

It already is

[nocturne dust]

if, y'know, it wasn't invalidated

[brazen rampart]

Not a good one...

[nocturne dust]

Overheads

[muted grove]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9db644f3-8fd7-4786-9af0-cc63ebf840b2/tanners-purge-staff-meta-build

anyone feel like critiquing this build? I am just curious as to what the argument against this would be

[worn heron]

Only some attacks do

It's meant to punish people who hold down block and dont attack

[nocturne dust]

Dodging has no overhead equivalent where you cannot dodge

[buoyant maple]

Perfect block in DT is a proc condition for blessings and is generally underused

[worn heron]

Same kn any other melee game

On*

It's kinda like the push timer in l4d2

[buoyant maple]

There sorta is
It’s just that u don’t fight them often

[worn heron]

There are some attacks that can track your dodge

[nocturne dust]

like wat

[worn heron]

Such as.. poorly timed dodges on overheads ?

[nocturne dust]

soooooo

[worn heron]

Like .. this happens all the time

[nocturne dust]

not really

[buoyant maple]

Scab captain dash kick

[nocturne dust]

[worn heron]

If you dodge poorly you are punished

[nocturne dust]

You can dodge that

[worn heron]

If you block an attack that you cant block youre punished

So you cant spam dodges and win

[buoyant maple]

Yea with a dodge slide that has super short timing window

[nocturne dust]

You can always dodge an attack, you can't always block

[buoyant maple]

It’s pretty hard to dodge in practice

It’s way easier to block which uses like 0.5 stamina

[worn heron]

An attack will hit you if spam dodges, also makes you physically slower if you go inefficient so you're punished that way too

[modest patrol]

Would prefer big sword

[nocturne dust]

If you spam, sure

[buoyant maple]

There’s another alternative to dodging and blocking

Stagger is there
It’s just not good on most weapons

[nocturne dust]

but my issue isn't with spamming block, my issue is with it getting thrown out the window as a defensive tool whereas dodges never get the same treatment

[buoyant maple]

[nocturne dust]

Like, okay, maybe only make it blockable on perfect blocks or some other mechanic to make overheads much harder to block, but total invalidation is stinky

[buoyant maple]

Just like how psyker having 2 weapons that invalidate mass as a mechanic is stinky

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/925855860557746267/1148583910691836006/JMYS0W5RDOL7U41RPH.gif

[nocturne dust]

Psykers are to mass what overheads are to block

but I approve because I'm a player and therefore benefit

[buoyant maple]

It’s more probable psyker gets scaling vs density nerfed before blocking mechanic gets any major changes tbh

[nocturne dust]

Idk, I don't think they have any big changes planned

I feel like we're just going to get more weapons and maps for a while

[buoyant maple]

Can never be too sure with fatshark

[worn heron]

Spamming dodges is the equivalent to holding down block constantly

It's why both are punished

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jdhXAG2CyUdTIJi7V/spok?invite=cr-MSx1T2YsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jcxgVV81SHuH5eE31/spok?invite=cr-MSxqQkQsMjA0MjU2ODk0LA

Some examples

Very cool discord

[wind spruce]

Everything is fine, there's just some minor things that aren't considered optimal by this community like taking kinetic resonance, essence harvest and stam bonuses on curios.

[broken carbon]

that investment is called taking dclaw

[buoyant maple]

I wish DC swords didn’t lose 90% of their cleave damage the moment they hit flak armor

[broken carbon]

dclaw needs better flak ADMs

[analog agate]

I am finding the slowing down part the hard way. I am used to ds/knife/deimos where I am nimble and can “spam” dodges. Not so on fgs

[broken carbon]

and the riposte when parrying an overheads should be a thrust with much more armor damage than the slash when parrying other attacks

[worn heron]

DClaw, much like other weapons, needs to be changed to match the massive hp bump enemies got many moons ago

Along with changes in armor on enemies

Agree one of the dclaws should get a thrust as its riposte

[broken carbon]

i think their damage is mostly fine, just needs a flak ADM boost and that riposte

[worn heron]

3 slashes from different directions is p redundant

[broken carbon]

and maybe a cleave increase

just more cleave

i don’t think it needs that much

[muted grove]

do people usually go health or wound over stam?

[worn heron]

Yah, that's what i meant by change

[broken carbon]

taking a wound on psyker is only a good idea if you’re super new and worried about blowing up constantly

but once ur more comfortable

it’s not needed at all

[broken carbon]

also psyker doesn’t need any stam regen, as they have the best stamina regen delay in the game

a stam curio is a decent choice however, due to it stacking with kinetic deflection

allowing you to block a ton of damage

which comes in handy in some specific situations

[broken carbon]

fair

[steep loom]

you can drop kinetic resonance and essence harvest for kinetic deflection

[worn heron]

Just rembered the guy complaining about block being invalidated by overheads a second ago is saying it in a class for his main which has a single talent you can take that invalidates the biggest penalty of blocking

[steep loom]

but i rarely find myself needing kinetic deflection outside of havoc

[worn heron]

You can block overheads and shrug off cspawn attacks w KD

[steep loom]

in aurics this build is perfect

you are a solo carry machine

[broken carbon]

lmfao

yeah

how dare a block break attack exist…

[steep loom]

i would swap thrust with riposte though and i think he says to do that in the video

riposte gives you better boss dps

[worn heron]

And with peril increases being rewarded w damage or speed or whatever, and a talent where quelling gives u tness, u could argue that it flips the biggest weakness to blocking into a beneficial thing lol

Block an overhead and be REWARDED with some toughness just one press of R away ,,

[buoyant maple]

I think he’s mainly talking about unblockable attacks that 1 shot u

[worn heron]

Idk if such an attack exists with kd

Other than being flung into a pit

[broken carbon]

KD doesn’t let you block overheads

[buoyant maple]

Crushers and maulers’ overhead I think?

[broken carbon]

the only thing that can block overheads are dclaw and shield

[buoyant maple]

If unblockable, still goes through KD

[broken carbon]

the super duper mega choreographed attacks…

that scream…

“dodge!”

the psyker mind cannot comprehend pressing space

[wind spruce]

That's why I can't make precog work

[steep loom]

u can run this if you have adhd

[broken carbon]

TRUE!!!!!

[steep loom]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bef5007-73ef-413a-b64d-10a0538eaaee/beef-purgassus

[broken carbon]

lacerate uncanny stamina

frown.

oh and damage dump

[buoyant maple]

Precog is quite strong on psyker, just 2s uptime being kinda weird

[steep loom]

beef is his own man

[broken carbon]

i agree with josho saying that riposte and precog should have the same uptime of 3 seconds

[buoyant maple]

DD is quite literally duellist 0.5

[steep loom]

the knife is simply a tool that allows you to run at more things to flamer

[buoyant maple]

+30% weakspot
+37.5% crit damage
Both add up into crit weakspot

Duellist is 50 and 50

[broken carbon]

with constant uptime

like nearly 100% in combat

[wind spruce]

Doesn't duellist have some weirdness with both 50s counting for crit weakspot aswell as crit and weakspot individually

[buoyant maple]

It’s not a weirdness, it’s just how finesse calculates

[wind spruce]

Fair, I just remember someone telling me it added up to more than expected in a way that other finesse bonuses don't

[buoyant maple]

it's the same way DD's weakspot and crit bonuses stack

[wind spruce]

But ew zealot

[hollow current]

best part of duellist is it works for ranged weapons too.

[proud grail]

What’s a good shock maul build?

[wind spruce]

Hold X while in inventory

[late sapphire]

pogryn also had a slam

[buoyant maple]

Yes but that attack doesn’t one shot players

[proud grail]

💔

[worn heron]

grr..

[wispy bay]

You can block Pogryn overhead with any melee weapon.

[worn heron]

im gonna ignore this cuz it doesn't fit my narrative

[wispy bay]

However, you can run KD with Dclaw.

If you want to block overhead that bad.

[late sapphire]

the one in the combo yes the single one no

[crude cape]

any tips for being better with the greatsword VI?
i just feel so much less safe with it and mobile than with my other stuff, granted knife/ds arent fair comparisons but just having trouble adjusting to the blaze force gs despite liking it and wanting to play at a high level with it

[steep loom]

u have to rely on ur push attack a lot for the mk 6

[brazen rampart]

Step 1, use mk8 instead. :)

[prime elk]

true

and use scriers gaze

[steep loom]

the combos on the mark 6 are strange

[torn kernel]

isn't it just l1 l2 block

[brazen rampart]

Real talk, fgs has the same quirk that relic blade does, in that you rely on cleave as a defensie option.

You need some source of cleave.

[steep loom]

the only reason to put up with it is for ease of access to the stab heavy

[brazen rampart]

You can either run warp splitting or wrath on your sword.

[torn kernel]

or both for cleavemaxxing

[brazen rampart]

Imo the best setup is to run cara uny shred precog and take warp splitting for the cleave.

[nocturne dust]

perfect block being the only way to block overheads would maintain that

[brazen rampart]

Could also opt for riposte instead of shred if you wish.

Also, mk6 is the more defensive option of the two, you need to constantly have room to move away from the enemy.

Mk8 has looping h1 l2 for horde clear for sufficient head level clearing, but mk6 has to swing like 4 lights to get to its horde clear heavy.

[dull scroll]

mk8 is crazy op at clearing horde, just spam light, the heavy on the otherhand is dogshit

push stab very good as well

[brazen rampart]

The heavy isn't bad, but whatever.

[dull scroll]

the other one's got way better heavy, but the lights doesn't reach the sides and you get mobs hitting you from there 😒

[steep loom]

the push attack to kill elites flows better in combat

[nocturne dust]

Imagine needing a heavy to clear horde with mk6

Just light spam with mk6, it will work

Optimal combos are for weirdos who actually play the game, smh my head

[steep loom]

like yeah you get access to it easier on the mk6 but if you do l1 to h2 to try to hit an elite something is probably gonna hit you

[dull scroll]

the lights are VERY sexy at clearing

and addictive

[steep loom]

and then after the heavy you have to push attack to reset your combo

its just mental degradation

[nocturne dust]

Hard disagree

[nocturne dust]

Well don't skip the overhead then

The overhead is part of the optimal combo, use it

[dull scroll]

the push stab is safe but takes too much time

[nocturne dust]

The push stab is the opposite of safe

[dull scroll]

well it does push even a crusher to the ground

[nocturne dust]

It pushes one guy, yeah, but when is there one guy in a horde game?

[dull scroll]

well then you RUN 😅

[steep loom]

u dont push the thing u are trying to stab over

u push everything around it over

[nocturne dust]

No

You don't.

[steep loom]

yea

[nocturne dust]

It's single target.

The push is just a normal push

the push attack is single

and also the stab on the mk6 comes immediately after a warp slice

[dull scroll]

it's the time used that's the deal breaker for me, you can land like 2+ heavies during the time it takes to execute a push stab, however shitty those heavies are

[nocturne dust]

which happens to stagger anything not ogryn or ragers-in-combo

The mk6 literally has the safer version of the combo

[steep loom]

it has rly good range and since you are in scriers its gonna one shot whatever you hit

[nocturne dust]

I mean

you can use FGS on other builds than scrier's

🤷‍♂️

[dull scroll]

pfft, without scrier at that point might as well just revert to ds4 meta slaving

[nocturne dust]

and, in truth, even mk6 can oneshot crushers with a meleeker build

[steep loom]

if you wanna enable the fgs the best you can you should take scriers

[nocturne dust]

Sure, if you're focusing entirely on FGS

[steep loom]

it doesnt really do well as a secondary

[dull scroll]

too many better options at clearing horde like purge

without a mobile melee you can't clutch either

[nocturne dust]

It works perfectly fine as a secondary, great even

[steep loom]

too slow

[nocturne dust]

The warp slice isn't a thing, sure, but FGS never needed it

[nocturne dust]

Push

[steep loom]

ds and deimos are better if you just want something to hit bosses and elites

[dull scroll]

this, you can't run away with that heavy ass GS

[proud grail]

The Greatsword is peak but the shock maul…

[nocturne dust]

I use the mk6 regularly without lightning speed

[proud grail]

it sucks so bad but it’s so fun to use

[nocturne dust]

it's still faster than the Rashad

[dull scroll]

ha don't drop the axe into this, the standard is ds4

[nocturne dust]

and the Rashad is beloved

[nocturne dust]

The standard is the most OP melee in the game?

[dull scroll]

the STANDARD weapon ahem

and it's shit at clear so it's not ALL op

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but horde clear has never been that vital

[dull scroll]

also the dagger

[nocturne dust]

Like, yeah, you want a bit

[dull scroll]

as well

if you don't need horde clear those are better than GS

as secondary

[nocturne dust]

but you really don't need much

[dull scroll]

just cause they run fast

and fast is king in this game

[nocturne dust]

the second most OP weapon

[steep loom]

i think the other melee weapons are just dogass

by and large

[dull scroll]

cause they aren't a deadass 2ton berserk sword 😬

[nocturne dust]

Literally knife and dueling sword are renowned as overpowered compared to the rest of the melees.

and have been for ages

Long before FGS

There's a reason knife zealot is still a meme

[dull scroll]

meme, that shit is lowkey OP af on zealot

[nocturne dust]

because when noobs asked 'wat op', players answered knife and then the noobs went and tried it

[dull scroll]

the amount of cd generated, and SPEEEED

[nocturne dust]

meme as in 'persistent idea'

[wispy bay]

Low key my ass

[nocturne dust]

it's more representative of the players and not the knife

that knife zealot is a meme

[dull scroll]

some pub thought I was cheating on a dagger zealot cause I almost got perma book during horde

[nocturne dust]

So, yeah, they're incredibly strong. Of course they're stronger than FGS.

[wispy bay]

Whatever build you are going with the Relic blade, you can pretty much go with knife and it gets better.

[nocturne dust]

But like, take those out

and look at every other melee on psyker

and suddenly FGS is 3rd best

fighting for its spot with normal fs a bit, but still

[dull scroll]

yeah it's prob a 3rd

[nocturne dust]

I wish I had a fusion between FGS and relic blade

I want warp power toggle 😭

[dull scroll]

relic is a bait, that sword is also dogshit vs carapace

[nocturne dust]

relic?

[dull scroll]

even worse than FGS

[nocturne dust]

uh

Zealot mains tend to consider relic the strongest melee they have, fighting dueling sword for top spot

[dull scroll]

but then again my standard is DS4, so heh

[nocturne dust]

Yes

and relic is possibly the only melee that competes through sheer cleave

[dull scroll]

I don't know, the good old evis, especially that mk which has the same light as FGS mk8

is on par

[nocturne dust]

You can literally wipe a mixed horde with only light spam and funny button pressing

[dull scroll]

or better since it doesn't have that whole heat thing

[nocturne dust]

No chance evis is anywhere near

[wispy bay]

The power mode of relic is quite strong.

[nocturne dust]

Like, I like evis

[dull scroll]

I haven't played enough on relic to really comment tbh

[wispy bay]

You can have power on 90% of the game.

[nocturne dust]

probably my 2nd fav zealot weapon after thammer

but Relic is just stronger

[dull scroll]

everytime these new weapons hit carapace I just cringe and miss my ds

[nocturne dust]

I mean

Relic's whole thing is you have the power toggle and you always have it toggled

The moment when you don't are the moments you're dodging and doing other stuff

like sprinting to the next objective

[dull scroll]

that's the disappointing thing, if you toggle that sexy new mechanics at least be strong vs like carapace?

but it's still so medicore

[crude cape]

i feel like the MK VI is better, but ill try it. I just get hit a lot more with it in dense crowds and have a hard time the animations are long enough i get hit between swings despite normal dodging/pushing mixed in

[crude cape]

ya it just feels bad, but the heavy combos are great for single target

[nocturne dust]

It's no slower than FGS

The power, again, is in its cleave

[dull scroll]

yeah but FGS doesn't have to deal with a heat mechanic lol

[nocturne dust]

Relic will shred a whole mixed horde in front of you

[dull scroll]

it's just a normal heavy

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️ It's trivial to deal with the heat imo

[dull scroll]

FGS shreads as well, so do that evis, I'm sure there's a diff on paper but I haven't noticed much in actual gameplay

[torn kernel]

weave assails into it

[nocturne dust]

Turn on, attack, turn off (switch weapon)

[crude cape]

how does the force great sword** do in a melee focused build? with skriers, any suggestions on a full talent build meant to focus on using the fgs like 70-80% of the time, maybe a gun on the side or zappy staff to help against gunners

[nocturne dust]

e z

[torn kernel]

fucking GREAT

[nocturne dust]

FGS good

[torn kernel]

fgs really shines when you build for it

it's mediocre otherwise

[nocturne dust]

It very much confuses me that you think Relic is somehow below both of those

[torn kernel]

the standard assail sg dd build works wonders

[nocturne dust]

I love FGS a lot, but I can't not acknowledge Relic is stronger

[prime elk]

relic blade was aids to learn, but boooy is it good

[nocturne dust]

That's fair

There is a bit of a hump to using it, I would agree

[torn kernel]

if the fgs had the same sprint heavy as a relic blade it would be so much better

[nocturne dust]

eh

[dull scroll]

let me put it this way, I haven't found a situation in a horde where I wished hmm if FGS was stronger I wouldn't have this problem with horde

[torn kernel]

just run up to a fucker and stab em

[nocturne dust]

I actually disagree

[dull scroll]

same with relic

[nocturne dust]

I dislike the relic sprint heavy

[dull scroll]

but relic have to deal with that heat mechanics

[torn kernel]

[crude cape]

edited ya sorry thats what i meant

[nocturne dust]

Well, yes, they both clear horde

Relic is just quicker at it

and you get to be on zealot

and have duelist

[crude cape]

anyone got the best overall talent build for melee focused w/ fgs? i just havent built one since the psyker tree update lmao

[nocturne dust]

and have until death

[torn kernel]

depends, you only need 10 initial kills for a free "delete horde" button

[nocturne dust]

Eh

FGS has targeting issues with the slice

[solemn atlas]

Quick question
How would I build the force greatsword for havoc? Perks and blessings

[dull scroll]

like havoc above 20? 30? don't do it 😅

[nocturne dust]

I'll send it through a pack at max charge and somehow a couple poxwalkers close to me will pretend nothing happened

[solemn atlas]

Hmmm

[nocturne dust]

You can do it

[torn kernel]

dodge slide back when you do it

[nocturne dust]

Json runs FGS meleeker

[raven mountain]

It's totally fine.

[nocturne dust]

in H40

[brazen rampart]

Cara uny shred wrath.

[raven mountain]

I've done the same

[dull scroll]

you can, but don't, you gonna troll somebody's lobby 😂

[nocturne dust]

It's fine, just git gud

[brazen rampart]

Mk8, dump warp res.

[nocturne dust]

It's not that bad if you know what you're doing

(If you're asking for advice here, you probably don't know what you're doing)

[steep loom]

the fgs has this weird as fuck delay between when you swing and when your target actually takes damage

[nocturne dust]

mk6*

[crude cape]

hows thisd

[nocturne dust]

[nocturne dust]

You don't know what you're doing.

[torn kernel]

here's mine (don't take the ones i marked red they're memey)

[brazen rampart]

For aurics or havocs?

[nocturne dust]

drop warp expenditure, take quietude instead

[dull scroll]

don't need crit, get the cd keynode

[nocturne dust]

I would also recommend dropping assail's +pierce node and taking quick shards

[brazen rampart]

Scriers does NOT need warp charges.

[nocturne dust]

cuz warp splitting works with assail anyway

[dull scroll]

not that, the 10% cd for whole team thing

[nocturne dust]

Psykinetics is okay

but like

Assail is also very good

[torn kernel]

10% cd is like, negligible on sg

[brazen rampart]

Cant take assail and psykinetics aura at the same time.

[dull scroll]

you also get faster scarier recharge as well, which is goated

[brazen rampart]

You have to take smite for that.

[nocturne dust]

SG doesn't need CD due to its lingering effect

[torn kernel]

yeah

[dull scroll]

what, talking about the yellow thing in the middle

[summer prairie]

he's talking about the aura

[brazen rampart]

Which is actually what you do for havocs btw, but you dont take psyk aura for you.

[nocturne dust]

oh the aura

[brazen rampart]

Oh you meant seers presence lmao.

[nocturne dust]

crit aura better

[steep loom]

i prefer this

[nocturne dust]

[torn kernel]

you effectively only have like 15ish seconds of downtime anyway

[brazen rampart]

Crit aura is significantly better with scriers.

[steep loom]

by crack of bone is kind of questionable but i like the ultra long gaze

[nocturne dust]

not really

[dull scroll]

I'm conflicted

[nocturne dust]

By Crack is fine for Scrier's

[crude cape]

auric typically, i typically play classic bubble psyker in havoc or sometimes vent but i mean, i wouldn't be opposed to using it in a premade lol

[steep loom]

im not sure how much it matters

you could drop crack and endurance for something else

[crude cape]

i dont like smite and really enjoy the assail weaving apm to keep peril up, or used to

[steep loom]

i never use smite

[dull scroll]

there is no way crit is better than cd aura, you only run crit if you have specific proc on crit mechanics

[steep loom]

smite is purely to get psykinetics

[nocturne dust]

By Crack can let you stay in Scrier's way longer, which helps you stack Scrier's buffs

[steep loom]

psykinetics is crazy good

[nocturne dust]

It's useful

[dull scroll]

cd aura boosts everybody's ult, which is mega OP

[brazen rampart]

Use this for aurics.

[dull scroll]

and that include your own scarier cd

[steep loom]

you absolutely do not need crit aura lol

[thorn cedar]

17.5% crit chance tho

[steep loom]

seers is much more value

[brazen rampart]

If youre not running a gun you can drop tranq through slaughter and take a peril toughness node like quietude.

[thorn cedar]

not for my scriers tho