psyker-class

[feral carbon]

i meant what modifiers for it, guarenteed on elite, or 12% more

[upbeat kestrel]

Once youre done with assail change, assail to brain rupture and your gonna do skilled psykhana fast

[upbeat kestrel]

Guaranteed on elite

[keen cargo]

I wish the greatsword power slash would apply blazing spirit...

blazing spirit just kind of sucks

[upbeat kestrel]

Yes

[radiant frigate]

even if it did apply blazing spirit, the blessing would still suck

[upbeat kestrel]

Mean while the guaranteed crit on special blessing

[autumn lark]

Assail is es but skilled in psykana will be annoying

[upbeat kestrel]

Thats trash

[upbeat kestrel]

Brain rupture

And just spam it

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-laughing-don't-laugh-don'tlaugh-ishowspeed-laughing-gif-15284676702826611657

[radiant frigate]

i hesitate to say it but skilled in psykhana is probably easiest done with smite

[vagrant onyx]

If it worked it'd actually hit breakpoints to t0 kill trash mobs

[autumn lark]

Assail

[upbeat kestrel]

I would say brain rupture still.

[autumn lark]

Both brainburst and smite will guarantee your teammates kill specialists and elites first

[radiant frigate]

smite also counts kills while smited i fink

[upbeat kestrel]

With smite yes with BR no

[vagrant onyx]

Take shield + rupture talent

[autumn lark]

With assail you can just kill an elite stack with empowered psyonics

[upbeat kestrel]

I did it with BB and it was fun

[feral carbon]

about 2 matches worth

why 2500 for overwhelming :(
why 250 for psykhana :(

ill get this done tommorrow

[glacial vapor]

Not even bad compared to the lucky bullet penance for Ogryn

[lapis violet]

ep br

easiest thing in the world

but assail for sniping if you also need assail

[feral carbon]

saving ogryn for last, some of those look awful, and iv heard all about bowling and

[lapis violet]

but thats so cringe imo

[feral carbon]

im just getting penances done, these and the shield one (almost already done because my main build uses shield) and last mission one (100 missions as psyker)

[lapis violet]

ogryn 🅱️enances last 🗣️ 🗣️ 🗣️

[feral carbon]

overwhelming is just gonna take a massive amount of time because of how many there are, but at least its a passive thing

mind lance is no problem

psykhana is gonna be a bitch of BB doesn't put in work

[glacial vapor]

Actually not a bad time to do the penance where you have to knock 4 Ogryns over with indominatable. One Brute Conscripts and it's done lol

[lapis violet]

yeah that made ogryn penances easier

[feral carbon]

i may have already done that one, as well as the 40 meters one

[lapis violet]

im glad for the people but i hate the fact that everybody plays it

[feral carbon]

i got and started playing the game a day or two after crimbo, so im not leh expert player yet

not even close

[lapis violet]

id like to use a build that doesnt focus on killing ogryns but its kinda hard when people only queue for ogryns

[feral carbon]

nearly 250 hours though, so that must count for something

[lapis violet]

so quickplay fucks me in the butt no consent

[glacial vapor]

Yeah, it's pretty annoying if you want to use something that's less specialised for carapace

[lapis violet]

veteran nowadays is literally just and only plasma for me

zealot is out of the question

and psyker is a trauma must have

[lapis violet]

that or gunker my beloved

[weary idol]

https://imgur.com/BBxoXrX

[upbeat kestrel]

Why

[lapis violet]

everybody and their mother does brute conscripts

and my other builds (revolver, shotgun, recon las) cannot deal with carapace and shields

or reaper suppression

[upbeat kestrel]

Aye

[lapis violet]

plasma doesnt care about carapace, shields, doesnt get suppressed

[upbeat kestrel]

I stopped playing the event after i conpketed it

[lapis violet]

not you. my first impression of you is sniffing me which i do not take kindly to

[lapis violet]

no cosmetics = no interest from me

[upbeat kestrel]

And now i mostly play low havocs

[lapis violet]

its good for people who still have things they desperately need to unlock but im set. i play the game for fashion and fun, not progression anymore

[upbeat kestrel]

For drip

[lapis violet]

very correct

[torn kernel]

qp keeps pulling me into brute conscripts too lmao

[lapis violet]

people dont want me in low havocs though xd

[torn kernel]

should've just kept it auric only imo

[upbeat kestrel]

Why?

[lapis violet]

yeah cuz its the new modifier and people are crazy

its literally just a higher concentration of big enemy and enemy you cant deal with normally. i dont get why people like it

[upbeat kestrel]

Im playing ofeyn is havoc so thats fun

[lapis violet]

you tell me

[torn kernel]

penances ig

[violet isle]

my ears are satisfied

[young falcon]

Getting their kill penance out of the way

[upbeat kestrel]

Not enough high tier titles frames and insignia

[lapis violet]

fair nuff

[upbeat kestrel]

But when people see havoc 40 ogryn they usually accept

[torn kernel]

do people actually care about that shit

[upbeat kestrel]

Thats my experience

[lapis violet]

sobs in rank 25 havoc

[upbeat kestrel]

Some do

[lapis violet]

yeah

[upbeat kestrel]

I dont

[young falcon]

Penances are an extra treat to me.

[torn kernel]

ight bet i'm gonna grind for this before i get h40

just for the funny

[young falcon]

Some are just gained from playing awhile and the others that are annoying I ignore

[torn kernel]

imagine seeing a cl15 havoc exemplar

[weary idol]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-confused-whuh-gif-10204381671363361516

[lapis violet]

your name is gun psyker (gunker) something

so what i meant was that you cant be my beloved

because i dont know you

[wooden sand]

So you never ran into pysker using a gun

Seems like a lie

[lapis violet]

👌 this close to squishing you

[brazen rampart]

Gunker is objectively the best way to run psyker.

[lapis violet]

funnest

[brazen rampart]

Best.

[lapis violet]

or gunnest if youre sleep deprived me on phone

[brazen rampart]

I know what I said.

[plucky flax]

4 gunkers in havoc 40

[lapis violet]

have to try that when i get good

[brazen rampart]

You get to:

oneshot ogryns with greatsword
become completely immune to ranged attacks (disables fading light in havocs)
run at the speed of sound and make the mission easier for your team

[lapis violet]

GREATSWORD HAH

fuck no

[brazen rampart]

If you don't like greatsword then you may genuinely be insane.

It is so fucking good.

[wooden sand]

He is scared of being a weeb for liking big sword

[brazen rampart]

And the dopamine hit from a 2 charge slash dropping an entire wave of shit is unmatched.

Except maybe by a chastise overhead parry.

[lapis violet]

big sword belongs to zealot and veteran (power sword), not to the teeny psykers

squishy fragile

fake weapon. should break their arms when swinging

[wooden sand]

Why Veteran

Veteran guns guy

[lapis violet]

power sword big weapon

not super big but bigger than other swords other than the original zealot exclusives

[brazen rampart]

Then you are a weak psyker that doesn't know how to fight in melee.

For shame.

Not even fit for the Emperor to consume your soul.

[lapis violet]

no need to fight in melee if people die before they reach me

and my uncanny future sight allows me to dodge all their attacks

[brazen rampart]

The Emperor has vested in me the strength to wield one of the largest swords made for normal people. Why would I deny His gift?

[raven mountain]

Havocs have ruined aurics for me.

Random quickplay and maelstrom don't feel like anything anymore.

[lapis violet]

auric maelstrom is funny because its fast paced

havocs are tough because every decision matters and you need to have a build but thats it

[raven mountain]

They're enemy dense. You have to deal with more than a couple of things at a time. Shooters aren't forgiving.

[lapis violet]

you get killed immediately if you make a mistake by regular peeps (stalker, shooter) but otherwise its pretty slow

[brazen rampart]

Play gunker and move at the speed of sound to feel anything at all...

[raven mountain]

That's what I'm doing!

[weary idol]

or they're a staff psyker

[lapis violet]

auric mael? 55 trappers 55 gunners 55 reapers 55 mutants 55 dogs 55 bombers 55 dogs

[weary idol]

because greatswords main appeal (the big fucking wave of death) requires you to actually use the sword

[brazen rampart]

That's a separate issue.

[torn kernel]

food for my EK

[brazen rampart]

One that can be rectified by putting your staff away.

[wind spruce]

You're allowed to use your melee as staffker

[lapis violet]

no need to put it away if nothing reaches me

[weary idol]

are you allowed to use it enough to get the force greatsword value

[lapis violet]

[raven mountain]

I bring the fgs when I use EK. Great to handle hordes, which EK is garbage at.

[brazen rampart]

You do not need to full charge your staff to spray down the lone poxwalker.

[brazen rampart]

Before I tried the havoc gunker pill, yes, yes you are.

[plucky flax]

You're too good.

[brazen rampart]

Basically in havocs you draw your sword while someone is using chorus and start chunking elites.

Or while someone is holding smite.

Warp unbound go brrrr.

5 or so elites and a handful of chaff go down relatively quickly to it, even at h40.

That's a full charge, and you can stop the decay every 10 or so seconds by drawing it and oneshotting a random chaff enemy.

[lapis violet]

that requires zealots to exist and have chorus

[brazen rampart]

So, pocket 2 charge slash.

[lapis violet]

two impossibilities in my experience

[fallow stream]

when anticipation says dodge duration does that also mean distance

[brazen rampart]

Then don't play with pubs.

[raven mountain]

I love that the fgs just churns through even pus-hardened moebian 21st

[brazen rampart]

No.

[raven mountain]

Also, I've never been in a havoc without zealots.

Well, like a 35+

[brazen rampart]

I believe anticipation just drags your lingering frames.

[lapis violet]

yeah theyre strong as hell

[plucky flax]

I see a lot of choir guys even in maelstrom now. Same with bubble

[lapis violet]

and people run zealots with fury or not at all

[raven mountain]

No vet? Common enough. No Ogryn? Normal.

[brazen rampart]

Vet and ogryn just don't scale as well as zealout and psyker.

[lapis violet]

bubble is fine but book is meh i find

[muted burrow]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[weary idol]

book is bad outside of havoc

[plucky flax]

Both meh for maelstrom but people can play what they like

[brazen rampart]

If ogryn didn't have to worry so meticulously about positioning so as not to get shredded and if pus hardened didn't exist then both classes would scale significantly better.

[weary idol]

it's the only talent in the entire game that is a guaranteed 2 point tax, and it fucks up your pathing on a skill tree full of fucked up pathing

[lapis violet]

bubble is fine if people cannot fucking handle trappers and bombers

[plucky flax]

I did tru duo veg with a book zealot he's basically just there to buff me

[brazen rampart]

And to push shit off the map, if available.

[lapis violet]

still havent done that

[brazen rampart]

Gloriana random first boss spawn means youre obligated to push it off the catwalk.

[lapis violet]

but every time i run zealot i get psykers who dont have hands or no psykers at all

[upper sun]

just dont have bad positioning noob

[fallow stream]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1316745143357018114/hey-girl.gif

[upper sun]

noob post

[radiant frigate]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/920016996752564286/1274487631987605674/GVHX15RXoAApby3-ezgif.com-video-to-gif-converter.gif

[brazen rampart]

This is the part when I turn into perfect Cell, obliterate Clad from the face of reality, and turn back to normal like nothing happened.

[upper sun]

no one asked

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/cell-perfect-cell-hyper-realistic-hyper-realistic-cell-hyper-realistic-perfect-cell-gif-1635843172149104674

[raven mountain]

What's the 2 point tax on book?

[weary idol]

it's the only talent in the game that requires 2 skil points to path through

because the stagger+suppression is seperate for some reason

and it's right below it

so you have no choice but to take it

[raven mountain]

Ah, so it's a 1 point tax

[upper sun]

devs thought it was op but in reality it fucking sucks outside of havoc

[raven mountain]

Yeah, that one point is completely wasted.

I thought it was some other optimized pathing thing I didn't know about.

[versed hedge]

Does anyone know what was just updated?

Does anyone know what was just updated?

[cold geode]

Probably that fix they mentioned when they broke the sacrifice menu in the last hot fix

[versed hedge]

82mb，I hope to really fix some issues

[autumn lark]

Yeah probs a hotfix for the hotfix

This month well get a teaser for the next content drop

[edgy heart]

One more fly added to that dead ogryn in hab dreyko (is it hab dreyko?)

[upper sun]

ogryn tree rework BELIEVE

[edgy heart]

The teaser will probably be the vet weapon

[versed hedge]

According to FatShark past impression, the actual game update may not be until after August

[torn kernel]

August 2028

[upbeat kestrel]

Straw hat said that there will be a update on february

Or at least in the first quarter

[raven mountain]

Are chaos spawn extra sensitive to dps?

like for aggro?

[versed hedge]

I completely don't believe they have enough production capacity to create new game content

[wispy sphinx]

that update broke the game for me

[upbeat kestrel]

Idk

[wispy sphinx]

the executable keeps on deleting itself when I hit play... like how is that even possible...

[autumn lark]

The 5th one already

[upbeat kestrel]

Then look for ecent mesaages from strawhat at #general-chat

[upper sun]

you know what they say 7th times the charm

[wispy sphinx]

now i cant even update the game after validating the game files. what is going on

[near wyvern]

So they ninja patched PotS to not work at all? Neat

[wispy sphinx]

im getting a disk write error when I try to update to get that .exe, and yet I can download other games no problem.

i bet someone hit the wrong button

[wintry vortex]

do you build curios on psyker any differently from

well

any other class

[rustic tapir]

Guys, returning to Darktide after some time, what happened to the Telekine Shield builds? Why is everyone running Venting Shriek these days?

[upbeat kestrel]

People became better at the game

[raven mountain]

bubble good. shriek better.

Bubble helps corral cats and get through missions a bit easier.

[rustic tapir]

shiee, looks like I got a lot of catching up to do then, hah

[raven mountain]

Shriek solves all problems

[rustic tapir]

I see

[upper sun]

power creep were a lot stronger now and we dont need the shields

[rustic tapir]

I kinda liked being a "support" with the shield, felt actually better than zealot healing

[raven mountain]

You can still run it

it's just not nearly as necessary outside of the highest difficulties.

[upper sun]

yeah but going supporty makes you miss out on all the glorious slaughter you can do

bubble is now mostly a havoc thing

[raven mountain]

The meta build at the highest difficulty is bubble+inferno or bubble+trauma staff

So it's not like it's bad.

[upper sun]

its always nice when someone throws it on a beast of nurgle but but its not really needed outside of fading light

[raven mountain]

And you can still run bubble+assail at lower difficulties and have "fast" clear. Just, as a psyker, you thrive off enemy mob density.

[autumn lark]

Scrier is the peak

The next content drop is probably the new vet weapon alongside havoc stuff

[wintry vortex]

what is the new vet weapon

[jovial juniper]

🤷

[autumn lark]

We dont know

[olive saffron]

Mmm kill feed stuff https://imgur.com/a/duAivgD

[summer prairie]

the patch didn't include anything besides the sacrifice fix (at least in terms of lua changes, some dlls were updated)

[olive saffron]

This high peril force greatsword / bolt pistol build feels so meme tier but at the same time it works in high havoc lol

[wintry vortex]

what's the build brother (i just started playing psyker and this is exactly what i want to do)

[olive saffron]

One second

[raven mountain]

Yeah, I really enjoyed my fgs/bistol/assail/shriek build. It's not quite as silly as scrier's builds, but assail+shriek wreck crowds, bistol is a great sniper and easy to weave assails with (and has some bleed to throw on monsters), and the fgs is ready to take on all comers.

The only eh thing is that your mobility is on your gun, so you don't get to run as freely as you might with a dueling sword or knife build.

[olive saffron]

I run it like this: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f81bf-1446-4447-a8e2-35ccdaf9fd67/high-peril-2h-force-sword

(I'm probably about to get flamed for X or Y thing wrong with it)

I just keep my peril high with the sword special attack, and spam stagger with it + do the pushy push

I know some people like to run it with Assail but it's not my cup of tea

[vernal frost]

wouldn't have checked if you haven't said that....

you're running toughness regen speed

[olive saffron]

😔

[torn kernel]

sibling what is this

[olive saffron]

I have 1.4k hours on this game but I barely spend any time talking to other players lol. I just wing it

[vernal frost]

https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-cat-cat-vro-cat-gif-17161343143756375842

[olive saffron]

Feel free to give pointers though. I just run what works for me

[raven mountain]

Toughness regen is a fully wasted stat. It only applies when there are no enemies anywhere near you thinking about hitting you.

[plucky flax]

This is me

[raven mountain]

That little trickle of toughness you get when running between encounters? That's toughness regen speed.

[plucky flax]

I win because I'm gud with sus builds

[glacial vapor]

Maybe I'm missing something but isn't venting shriek a bit of a waste here?

[wintry vortex]

THEY'RE COOKING YOU BRODIE

[torn kernel]

tbh i love seeing people use sus builds

[raven mountain]

There's other choices you can crack at in the build, like opportunity cost stuff or whatever. But really it's -fine-

[torn kernel]

just proves builds ain't everything if you're good enough to make it work lol

[vernal frost]

oh 100%

[raven mountain]

Like, I love Kinetic Flayer. It's inconsistent and all, but feels great any time it goes off. Not used to seeing anticipation-it's taking two points to get to-but it's not really a problem.

I do feel like you're missing out not having Mettle+Perfect Timing, but maybe it's not that important since you're only really using shriek+warpshock on warp damage.

[torn kernel]

Mettle's aight on fgs

[raven mountain]

I'd rather take the 5% crit over souldrinker since it's unreliable and buggy.

[summer prairie]

that build doesn't generate toughness reliably

[autumn lark]

Use riposte to proc mettle

[raven mountain]

Nit picking aside, it's fine.

[upper sun]

thats not reliable

[autumn lark]

🤫

[olive saffron]

The entire build kind of revolves around it. I get my peril high with the sword special attack and then I spam Venting Shriek at high peril. Kills big hordes over time

[raven mountain]

The thing I like about going assail over brain burst (especially without KF) is that you can throw assails pretty freely as your primary warp usage, and it saves you ammo while adding to your ranged horde clear.

[olive saffron]

I get my kill feed spam from Venting Shriek https://imgur.com/a/vNnZYE3

[raven mountain]

and malefic momentum is actually a ton of damage for both your sword and shriek.

[olive saffron]

Anything specific I should run instead?

[raven mountain]

Up to you, mostly. I like having 1 stamina-related stat. either stamina regen, sprint cost, or block cost. Health is kinda a gimme, I'd have to check breakpoints for bursters and stuff. Like getting to eat 2 instead of 1 or something.

[olive saffron]

🤔

Malefic Momentum does seem nice. Can't fit that with Brain Burst though. Hmm

[raven mountain]

But psyker really doesn't -need- stamina stuff since they already are almost net-neutral with slide running

[olive saffron]

I'm a bit lazy with curios. I tend to run the same curious across all builds and the stamina is there for the duelling sword

[raven mountain]

It amounts to swapping out psykinetic and wildfire for malefic, and it saves you an extra travel node to get to the melee tree.

[olive saffron]

I was considering dropping stamina for this specific build. Seems like this sword has enough stamina bars for blocking

[raven mountain]

Psykinetic is bonkers powerful, but in this particular setup, I do think assail synergizes with your setup well.

And I like +stamina with dueling sword, too--and feel the same way about the fgs.

[deft stump]

+3 stam is actually just enough. More is really for the meme AFK hold block tank DH things.

[glacial vapor]

I wish the other classes had the same build variety as Psyker. So good

[olive saffron]

Might give an assail setup a try 🤔

Can't say I'll use it that much, but the same can be said about Brain Burst lol. I just have it for the Wildfire and ability cooldown stuff

[raven mountain]

My version also goes EP instead, but EP is strictly a meh keystone.

I just like it because it gives more assails that pierce harder and give free toughness

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9e1f888c-8014-45ba-b7e9-c1e83d5237cf/ep-assail

[rancid wadi]

What blessings and shit for blaze force gs?

Just for regular old killing

[raven mountain]

It doesn't get to spam shriek as much as your build though since there's no psykinetic's and no warp charges.

[paper dust]

i have come once more for doggo update

[olive saffron]

I did try Empowered Assail at one point but I didn't find it particularly useful

[deft stump]

Ans: She hiding somewhere under a bed.

[paper dust]

i need apic

[deft stump]

I don't know where. She stealthy.

[vernal frost]

uncanny slaughterer

[raven mountain]

It's basically just more assails that don't cost peril, and you get even more when you kill elites. I take the node that makes them give your whole team toughness too. It's not crazy, but I liked the idea.

[rancid wadi]

What does that mean, gs has neither of thise blessings

[vernal frost]

wait

[paper dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1284620687012659200/4x-2.gif

[raven mountain]

and assail with both its special node and the warp splitting makes them pierce up to like 8-9 enemies

[vernal frost]

precog wrath then.....

[olive saffron]

Oh yeah, it sounds nice on paper. I just didn't really like it in practice. Might just be a preference thing

[paper dust]

prease i must see the lassy in hiding

[olive saffron]

That, or I'm not used to Assail. I haven't used it in ages

[vernal frost]

drop wrath if you're running cleave on peril node

[raven mountain]

fair. I spam it into horde, then shriek, then move into melee.

[olive saffron]

I grab brain burst 99% of the time

[rancid wadi]

I dont need cleave I got staff witv me

[vernal frost]

which one

[rancid wadi]

Fire

[vernal frost]

you sure you wanna compete with your melee for kills for special gauge?

I found that style of gameplay really unfun for the gs

[rancid wadi]

I can swap out the staff for something

[vernal frost]

I like gunker w vraks 5

[rancid wadi]

Autogun?

[vernal frost]

yes

[rancid wadi]

I guess I could work it, gotta rearrange some perks tho I got some invested in soulblaze now

[raven mountain]

The main thing I like about assail in that build is that it frees up so much of your bistol ammo.

You can use assail super freely, and bistol when you need a shot to count, now. Or when something is far away, or when you want to make something bleed.

[olive saffron]

🤔

[raven mountain]

And you aren't reliant on fighting for ammo crates or hoping for a survivalist.

and it synergizes with shriek

better use of peril than just charging two (three) unempowered fgs slashes.

[deft stump]

I found her and she skittered out of hiding.

[olive saffron]

Only real issue I have with Assail is that I can't grab Wildfire or Psykinetic's Aura

[raven mountain]

Yeah, that's the big trade off. Wildfire isn't all that important since you aren't stacking a ton of fire anyhow.

It's nice for souldrinker mostly

[vernal frost]

you're gonna be ok if you don't run assail, you're fast enough to outrun most of the players for ammo boxes

[deft stump]

@paper dust

[raven mountain]

but remember that stacks 1-4 of soulblaze are pretty negligible

[paper dust]

what a ball

with legs

MR BLOBBY????

[olive saffron]

Ammo isn't too big of an issue for me. I can stagger things with the greatsword special and run up to them for the most part

[paper dust]

o nvm not mr blobby

[olive saffron]

Long range stuff does get bolt pistol'd though, or brain burst in some sniper cases

[raven mountain]

How did my boy get over at your place?

[paper dust]

pillow

[deft stump]

She is a floofball.

[raven mountain]

So yeah, you don't need to run assail. I just like knowing I have a ranged option that isn't ammo reliant. And the build used to be run with the ds4 before the fgs came out. So it was armor=ds4. horde=assail. Sniping/monster=bistol.

[paper dust]

miacheveous

anyhow

back to the hole i once come

cya next time on the next doggo update

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159670350423011338/1335345322024636416/image0.gif

[deft stump]

BTW, puncture on bolt pistol is meme if you can quick switch to BP after launching assails or your FGS special.

Just sayin'.

[deft stump]

You know you can poke at times.

[paper dust]

dont forget to poke the snoot

or boop da snoot

[olive saffron]

Oh wow, the great sword special might actually do something damage-wise

I just use it for stagger and peril. It does like no damage most of the time

[paper dust]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-boop-vulkan-snoot-boop-the-snoot-gif-19967530

[vernal frost]

wym you didn't know???

I use it in scab melee maels to clear crusher mauler rooms

[deft stump]

You tried?

[olive saffron]

Haven't tried it

Just seems interesting

[deft stump]

You should. Is actually clunky to pull off.

But if you manage... funni.

[vernal frost]

1 bar to kill humans, 2 to clear actual threats

[radiant frigate]

at ful charge, absolutely

[olive saffron]

Might work for longer ranges when there's a bit more wiggle room time-wise

[vernal frost]

it's really easy to pull off unless you time it at the moment you're getting hit

[olive saffron]

I don't know squat about niche interactions like that. I barely spend any time in communities dedicated to this game

[deft stump]

Is the puncture thing.

[olive saffron]

Only found out about Lethal Proximity and grenade radius stuff a couple weeks ago when I was lurking in some Reddit thread

[radiant frigate]

"niche interaction" literally is a core mechanic of the weapon

[olive saffron]

It's niche to me 😭

[deft stump]

You would have known if you asked about 'nadier stuff in vet.

[olive saffron]

but that involves talking to people

[deft stump]

I would have borked borked about it asap lul.

[olive saffron]

Why do that when I can Google search old Reddit threads 😎

and that's only a half joke

[deft stump]

So uhh, you know that bubble protects against BoN spit, right?

[olive saffron]

That I do know

[vernal frost]

Don't actually do that

Unironically

[olive saffron]

I take it with a grain of salt

[vernal frost]

One time there was a guy who claimed that marksman focus lowered your threat

[olive saffron]

I also don't search everything. Mostly just weapon blessings

[vernal frost]

prefacing his statement with him being a programmer for 10+ years

[olive saffron]

If I'm using a new weapon, I like to have a general idea of what blessings are useful

[deft stump]

Eh, use Hammer on Vet mains for anything shared with Vet if you don't wanna ask.

[olive saffron]

I'd probably run Perfect Slice on my greatsword if I didn't search this Discord for people talking about it

[vernal frost]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/s/qy3sHJRMSg

funny shit

tried to salvage it also

[deft stump]

Is good quick reference.

[olive saffron]

Oh dear

That Reddit poster would 100% use "dataminer" as some title of pride. I've seen people do that in other communities lol

[vernal frost]

also works both ways, there's people who firmly refuse to believe that loner disables a core game mechanic

[olive saffron]

🤔

Now to give this updated meme build a try

I grabbed Smite but I'm just gonna ignore it like I did with Brain Burst lol

Allows me to get both Psykinetic's Aura and Malefic Momentum

[hearty wolf]

Smite is okay if you never use it

[raven mountain]

It's for "I need an adult" moments.

[olive saffron]

I used Brain Burst once the last mission I did. I can manage pretty well ignoring my blitz

[deft stump]

Panic button.

[olive saffron]

Is Smite even worth it without any of the upgrade bits?

[vernal frost]

kinda

[olive saffron]

Figured you'd need those for it to be worthwhile

[hearty wolf]

That's it

[vernal frost]

but there's barely enough moments for you to actually need to use it

[raven mountain]

The only "important" one is on the left. It's faster spread.

[deft stump]

Only the +1 might have real value.

[hearty wolf]

@nocturne dust I'm going to run EK with bubble but I'll run ep with brain burst

[vernal frost]

you can try capitalizing on the uhh

perilous combustion

[weary crane]

It's a good crutch if your team is stuck

[hearty wolf]

The ultimate special killer

You'll get your bubble when I say so

Every 3 minutes

[vernal frost]

cause you know how perilous combustion doesnt proc off elites that die from soulblaze?
well smite ignores that

[deft stump]

But you could go KF with BB for super crits every 15 secs or so.

[hearty wolf]

I didn't know that

And I'm massively upset you've pointed that out

[vernal frost]

https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-cat-cat-vro-cat-gif-17161343143756375842

[hearty wolf]

I would like you to delete that comment because I find it inappropriate and offensive :(

I guess it also applies to any DoT then

[vernal frost]

uhh

maybe

[plucky flax]

Bare bones smite is still good for when shits hit the fan

[vernal frost]

on the topic of fgs special

[radiant frigate]

big sword

[hearty wolf]

-rep need to use sword as well as beam

need moar powah

[vernal frost]

this is also without stuff like malefic momentum

pretty sure i didnt run it at the time

queued into a havoc 1 with a console open mic player....... lets gooooo

[deft stump]

Is just Sin.

[vernal frost]

i can hear his tv

[deft stump]

I always have open mic. You hear my fan.

And occasionally, Carrot.

[upbeat kestrel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Grimdank/s/rbDLItsGAQ

[paper dust]

love that artist

[upbeat kestrel]

@deft stump

[deft stump]

Heh.

[upbeat kestrel]

You have your ogryn female. Noe make it playable

[marble crater]

Judging by the Darktide faces, this female ogryn is way too cute and pretty to be real

[deft stump]

Isn't it but a dream to those seers?

[upbeat kestrel]

No

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/porn-addict-gif-27646417

[upbeat kestrel]

Im a slaanesh cultist.

[old field]

what is the adequate perk for voidsblast staff ?

[jovial juniper]

Flak +

[marble crater]

Crit chance

[autumn lark]

Flak elites

[rigid sky]

Blazing or brittleness?

[old field]

lets say for both version

[marble crater]

Flak and crit chance for blaze
And I use flak and carapace for brittle

[old field]

thx guys

[olive saffron]

I both love and hate how this meme build works

Greatsword special + bolt pistol bleed is pretty cool as well

[deft stump]

Oh, you finally tried it.

[olive saffron]

I like it. It's basically just free damage

Helped me clear out a hallway of gunners over time, in addition to soulblaze

The fact that the special goes through walls is the cherry on top

[deft stump]

Yep.

Also works same way with assail.

[torn kernel]

doesn't it work with most projectiles

[rigid sky]

What do you do, swap to the pistol after firing the beam?

[torn kernel]

pretty sure i've procced the bleed on someone by throwing a smoke at em before

[deft stump]

I can test that tbh. Or with impact frag as well.

[torn kernel]

yee

[deft stump]

Or with zealot stun.

[torn kernel]

only on impact tho iirc

[deft stump]

Yes.

Is just zealot stun does no real damage from memory so probs easier to see.

[olive saffron]

Yeah, pretty much

[cold trellis]

Wth, I had no idea. Does it also give shredder nades an extra bleed stack?

[autumn lark]

@loud girder

https://tenor.com/view/turk-turkish-man-meme-turkey-turkey-gif-27676952

[deft stump]

Nope. Unless you klonk them with the actual 'nade.

[deft stump]

I think.

[cold trellis]

Hmh okay

[loud girder]

https://tenor.com/view/kaan-turkish-gif-17821339729161535224

[near gale]

https://tenor.com/view/barrel-gif-22340470

[patent mango]

imagine how far you'd fly with those barrels

[near gale]

https://tenor.com/view/smashed-hammer-smacked-launched-monsters-gif-13148314

probably even further

[random spruce]

Has anyone done any raw number crunching on the actual damage output between the two primary trauma staff builds now? After the armor piercing nerfs on the trauma, as well as the changes to how brittleness/rending works I have to imagine the flurry/Shockwave build might be pretty close to the same dps as surge/soulblaze.

Ive tried running both and paying attention to my damage charts to compare them and can't really tell. Rending Shockwave seems more consistent in its damage game to game, but still has spikes comparable to blaze. Though blazes spikes seem more frequent. 🤔

[brazen rampart]

They're pretty comparable. Soulblaze has a 100% adm against everything except soulblaze, iirc, so the only place rending trauma might really pull through is CIVI or a mission where the director is seeded to keep spawning an obscene amount of carapace.

I would say, of the two, blaze trauma is slightly better, but they're both good.

[near gale]

Uh... I am not trying to be a smart ass, but, soul blaze has an adm against soulblaze? x.x

I am sure you meant carapace, but, idk for sure :/

[brazen rampart]

I've been awake since 4am because I woke up way before my alarm, I meant carapace.

[near gale]

I just wanted to make sure on that x.x

[brazen rampart]

Oops

[near gale]

Yeah, that would do it.

[random spruce]

We're actually getting benefit ourselves from brittleness now though too right? I've only been back for a few weeks after a very long break, but iirc originally rending Shockwave was purely team support because the staff did 100% armor piercing. But now we're something like only 35% armor piercing now, so 40% brittleness at max stacks should be huge for us against flak AND carapace. Plus now that rending adds half value damage for every percent past armor value that's pretty big too right?

I know soulblaze pierces armor and in high enough density hordes balloons our damage values. But I'd be curious if there are any measured ttks against different specials for the two staves.

[nocturne dust]

Isn't it quarter value?

[warped perch]

Why are you ftog

[brazen rampart]

Nunya.

[warped perch]

Tell me

[brazen rampart]

Eat shit.

[nocturne dust]

like, say, h40

[warped perch]

Why are you so mean

[brazen rampart]

I've had 40s where I only saw like 3 or 4 crushers, but had to deal with unholy amounts of bulwarks and dreg ragers. It just depends on how the director is feeling. Frankly, I'd prefer the CIVI style seeded director for my 40s, less shit to shoot at me that way + I can actually manage to fight in melee without dying or going down.

[brazen rampart]

Don't tell me what to do.

[warped perch]

I’m suggesting

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/view/repost-if-you-like-ice-cream-icecream-repost-if-repost-ice-cream-gif-10826626908294100717

[nocturne dust]

Rending Trauma is definitely superior than Fire Trauma in h40s if you have a Purgatus user

[brazen rampart]

This definitely has a lot of gay stuff cropped out of it, that's just the nature of these kinds of things.

[nocturne dust]

Fire Trauma does nothing but steal soulblaze when Inferno is around

[patent mango]

whar

[brazen rampart]

Any method of getting around hijacking the purg staff users soulblaze kills is good.

Pro tip, if you have two psykers, don't have the trauma one use any form of soulblaze, not even PC.

[nocturne dust]

It turns out

taking away a 40% damage buff is bad

[brazen rampart]

You will wind up having your purg staff user not having any warp charges because trauma will clean up burning enemies and hijack soulblaze kills.

[nocturne dust]

[nocturne dust]

the more important bit is stealing soulblaze and preventing Blaze Away from applying

[brazen rampart]

You can't prevent blaze away, that's entirely dependent on the psyker spraying fire.

[nocturne dust]

You can by stealing soulblaze

[brazen rampart]

You can literally m1 spam at nothing and keep blaze away stacks going.

Hitting things is not required.

[nocturne dust]

If you own the stacks, Blaze Away doesn't apply

as a trauma user

[brazen rampart]

Ah, that's what you meant.

[nocturne dust]

Only stacks Inferno user owns get Blaze Away

[brazen rampart]

I was thinking you were somehow preventing your psyker friend from stacking up blaze away to begin with.

[nocturne dust]

oh, no, lol

[brazen rampart]

In my defense I am very tired.

[analog agate]

A lot of people don’t run blaze away in pubs

[brazen rampart]

That's wild.

Why tf wouldn't you?

[nocturne dust]

A lot of stupid people

[brazen rampart]

Do these people not know rending flames are useless on purg staff?

[nocturne dust]

Actually

Rending flames isn't bad

[brazen rampart]

It is.

[nocturne dust]

but like

[analog agate]

Because they just don’t know is my guess. I’d say it is 50-50 blaze/nexus and then nexus/pen

[nocturne dust]

no, it really isn't

[brazen rampart]

Rending flames is fucking worthless.

[nocturne dust]

Nope

That's untrue

[analog agate]

In my ~50 h40 games

[brazen rampart]

You already have a 100% adm on anything that isn't carapace.

[nocturne dust]

Bonus damage

[brazen rampart]

And you conflict with rending flamer and shockwave.

[nocturne dust]

and on top of bonus damage, the real power

[brazen rampart]

Max stacks of brittleness are a thing.

[nocturne dust]

is stacking with another source of brittle

[nocturne dust]

it is the only brittleness that stacks over 40%

[brazen rampart]

You are literally throwing if you're running rending flames on purg.

[analog agate]

🤷‍♂️ I don’t give advice to people anymore in pubs

[nocturne dust]

You really aren't

[nocturne dust]

Flamer has better blessings

[brazen rampart]

Especially when you consider you're trading warp nexus (crits do 2 stacks of sb), blaze away (1:1 strength to damage ratio, pretty sure it's 7% per stack, so 35% damage for doing your job), or even warp flurry (completely unnecessary but allows blaze away to stack up faster with m2 spam).

[nocturne dust]

But penetrating flame is the only way to get to 60% brittleness, if you combine it with shockwave trauma

[brazen rampart]

Brittleness doesn't help you, dude.

[nocturne dust]

warp flurry is entirely useless

[brazen rampart]

That's what I'm getting at.

[nocturne dust]

warp nexus is overrated

[brazen rampart]

The only thing brittleness can even remotely help you with on purg is carapace.

[nocturne dust]

It gives you 7x the damage for carapace

[brazen rampart]

And you could just, yknow, melee the carapace.

[nocturne dust]

On h40, that still lets you murder carapace with soulblaze alone when combined with Blaze Away

[nocturne dust]

an infinite amount of them?

[brazen rampart]

I think I'm going to kill you with a rock.

🤔

[nocturne dust]

Bro, try it before you knock it

Carapace is the one thing that gets past Inferno

Ergo, pretty good when you eliminate that threat almost entirely

[thorn cedar]

frequent feeling for me too

rending wouldnt be that bad but blaze away exists so

who cares

[nocturne dust]

I mean, my point is you can have both

2 blessings

It does require

like, a second brittle applier

buuuutt if you're taking a trauma psyker anyway, and you don't want them to step on your soulblaze toes....

It lines up really well for an organized comp

[vernal frost]

the humble uncanny on melee.....

[brazen rampart]

I have. It's not worth it.

[nocturne dust]

I'm sure people would see the error of their ways if PF's max was 120% brittleness or something equally as absurd as uncanny

[nocturne dust]

Than 20% crit?

[brazen rampart]

You trade an immense amount of damage by either stacking soulblaze faster or just straight up having 35% more damage.

[analog agate]

2 trauma better than inferno anyways

[brazen rampart]

All because you're too afraid of touching anything in melee.

[nocturne dust]

Crit is double application, but you don't double your application rate just by adding a crit blessing.

[brazen rampart]

Yeah I'm definitely going to throw rocks at you.

[nocturne dust]

and on top of that, things are chonky enough in Havoc that the TTK is actually better with PF

because you're hitting max stacks of soulblaze regardless on the big boys

and those are really the only things that matter

[brazen rampart]

"TTK is better" you are smooth brained.

[thorn cedar]

first time?

[nocturne dust]

lmao

I'm sorry I'm using actual reasons and logic

[brazen rampart]

No, I've seen horrendous takes of equal measure in vet chat before.

[thorn cedar]

nexus feeding EE is the other thing

[nocturne dust]

I mean, sure, but EE isn't that valuable

[brazen rampart]

In fact, vets usually have worse takes, because they fail to understand that they are a breakpoint class, first and foremost.

[nocturne dust]

Especially when you have bubble

[thorn cedar]

there's also mettle for the movement speed but you're drowning in soulblaze kill procs so

[brazen rampart]

Chat, show this man the immunity to ranged attacks gunker can achieve in h40.

[nocturne dust]

I'm aware

Imagine needing that

[brazen rampart]

EE is absolutely valuable.

[nocturne dust]

Instead of just taking bubble and keeping your whole team alive

[brazen rampart]

Mfw I randomly crit and dodge a sniper shot:

[analog agate]

You aren’t talking about gunker

[thorn cedar]

i meant with void in particular

[nocturne dust]

no

[brazen rampart]

Also no, I've gone back and forth a few times with him before, actually one of the reasons I don't frequent this channel.

[analog agate]

I know. To your point EE is of much less value to inferno than gunker

[brazen rampart]

Willful ignorance is something to be avoided.

[nocturne dust]

Mfer

you've given me only EE

[brazen rampart]

I'm aware, but that doesn't mean it's not valuable.

[nocturne dust]

as a reason to take nexus

[brazen rampart]

2 stacks per crit, and I'm pretty sure purg has crit strings, with a 50% or so crit chance.

[nocturne dust]

When did Trauma proc EE well even in h40?

[brazen rampart]

Never mentioned trauma.

[nocturne dust]

[analog agate]

Whatever. I have no dog in the fight as I find VB better in H40 anyways

[brazen rampart]

As do I.

[nocturne dust]

My point is Trauma is meta and doesn't need EE in the slightest

[brazen rampart]

Being able to stagger things >>> suppression.

[nocturne dust]

Weird

Inferno staggers practically everything

[brazen rampart]

The only thing that takes the cake with purg is that you can m1 spam an infinite number of ragers to death.

[summer prairie]

no crit strings

[nocturne dust]

and also

[brazen rampart]

You can't stop cranial parasites.

[analog agate]

I think he means putting their ass on the ground

[nocturne dust]

Purg does not get a 50% crit chance with Warp Nexus

[summer prairie]

also maybe have less strong opinions

[nocturne dust]

What, are you running scrier's?

[analog agate]

He is

[brazen rampart]

No, absolutely not, my opinions are correct because they are also fact.

[summer prairie]

uhuh

[brazen rampart]

[brazen rampart]

Close to max peril it's in the ballpark of 50%.

[nocturne dust]

They happen to be dead before they get near you

because they're on fire

[brazen rampart]

No they don't lmao.

[nocturne dust]

blaze away fire in fact

[brazen rampart]

I've literally had cranial reapers walk into my bubbles before and I've had to draw melee to kill them because teammates are dumb.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, most of them, yeah, horde gets massacred and you only have to watch out for big boys

Which is normal inferno play

[brazen rampart]

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about at this point.

:)

[nocturne dust]

💀

All you have is bad faith arguments

I give you actual reasons PF is good

and you reply I don't know anything

Very well debated, much applause

[brazen rampart]

You trade damage against everything for damage vs crushers.

I shouldn't consider your opinion in the slightest.

[nocturne dust]

True

Have you considered Blaze Away kills everything anyway?

[summer prairie]

it's not just your own damage fyi

[nocturne dust]

Like, you really don't need the minor damage boost from nexus

[brazen rampart]

The team aspect of rending flames on purg is irrelevant if you kill everything anyway.

[nocturne dust]

Yes

You ain't killing crushers without PF tho

[brazen rampart]

Just kill them with melee instead of wasting a blessing slot.

You literally have an obscene amount of choices for melee carapace damage.

[nocturne dust]

Really hard to beat killing 20 crushers at the same time

[thorn cedar]

you need rending on two staves to make it really pop is the thing

[nocturne dust]

It is obscene infinite cleave shenanigans

[brazen rampart]

Ds4, deimos, greatsword, even fucking obscurus has good carapace damage.

[thorn cedar]

and i think they cant both be purge

[nocturne dust]

yes

I admit that is an issue, and I stated that earlier

[brazen rampart]

And that isn't a joke, either, I was messing around with obscurus yesterday, 4 shot mauler bp without scriers.

15 stacks of dd, uncanny strike, nothing else affecting my damage.

[nocturne dust]

And the issue is they will always be one at a time

[brazen rampart]

All of those weapons allow you to engage targets 1 at a time.

[nocturne dust]

I know you claim you've had h40s with like 3 crushers, but let's be real and honest and be clear that is not the norm

[marble crater]

What did I miss?

[nocturne dust]

Purg

[brazen rampart]

Ds4 has the special poke to stagger everything, force swords can make crushers backstep.

[nocturne dust]

lets you not

That is the entire point

[brazen rampart]

Uh huh, just say you're a noob and can't fight crushers in melee, then.

Smh.

[nocturne dust]

This guy only listens to the Psyker guide and thinks PF is trash

[brazen rampart]

I've never opened the psyker guide.

Not once.

[nocturne dust]

Oh, so you're just bad

[brazen rampart]

Uh huh, sure.

[marble crater]

What's PF again?

[nocturne dust]

#psyker-class message

[brazen rampart]

Rending flames.

[nocturne dust]

Penetrating Flame

[marble crater]

Ah, no idea. Never used it

[nocturne dust]

Just say you're a noob and can't ignite a whole horde of crushers at the same time

[hearty wolf]

Pf is trash. It doesn't make my thunderhammer 1 shot go to 0 shot >;(

[brazen rampart]

Rending flames has no usage on purg staff because the only thing you benefit from taking it for is killing crushers faster. You have a 100% adm vs every armor type except carapace. (scab ragers are considered flak for DOTs for some reason)

[nocturne dust]

Uh

First of all

It gives bonus damage

So you're wrong

Second

[brazen rampart]

.5% per 1% rending.

[nocturne dust]

The amount of bonus damage is higher than the damage you get from warp nexus

[brazen rampart]

It's worthless to view it as a damage blessing.

[vernal frost]

wouldn't you want to run your purgatus with either deimos or ds tho

[thorn cedar]

5% bonus damage against anything not carapace, 200% bonus against

by itself anyway

[nocturne dust]

.25% iirc

but still better than warp nexus

[brazen rampart]

That's the entire point, welcome to arguing with Void. You will never make a breakthrough because he is willfully ignorant.

[thorn cedar]

like its only unique property is that its a uniqe rending effect that can tack overtop of other rending effects

[nocturne dust]

you do, and you should

I run ds4 with purgatus

[brazen rampart]

"Muh rending" you can literally 2shot crushers with melee bro just kill them.

[vernal frost]

and you're inclined to take uncanny on them

[nocturne dust]

Again

you kill one at a time

[hearty wolf]

You should never really be swapping to your melee if you're running purg though aside from in limited situations

[vernal frost]

and uncanny works on soulblaze dot

[nocturne dust]

Yes

But

[vernal frost]

so why waste a blessing for 20% rending

[nocturne dust]

you stop applying soulblaze to new enemies coming at you

and

you lose blaze away

[hearty wolf]

Like yes you can kill a crusher because you've swapped off your staff but you're not being as effective as you otherwise should be. Your teammates should be killing that shit for you while you clear trash

[vernal frost]

you lost me at but

[thorn cedar]

hah
butt

[amber vortex]

lol

[nocturne dust]

Okay, so what are your alternatives to PF?

Warp Nexus

Warp Nexus is 20% crit chance.

(assuming you stay at high enough peril)

[brazen rampart]

(as easy as breathing)

[nocturne dust]

You get some extra damage from crits and double soulblaze application

here's the thing

That extra direct damage is crap

[brazen rampart]

Yes, like a handful of crushers coming to touch you.

[nocturne dust]

It's worse than PF's bonus damage

[vernal frost]

yeah but what part of the game are you flaming crushers vs horde clearing

[nocturne dust]

So

you look at application rate

[brazen rampart]

5%

[nocturne dust]

On h40? All the time

[nocturne dust]

yes

5% is better

20% means you get a .2 modifier to your bonus crit damage

because it's only happening an extra 20% of the time

[brazen rampart]

(not true, depends on the seed)

[nocturne dust]

shush you

[hearty wolf]

Xd

[nocturne dust]

we're talking typically

[hearty wolf]

Blessings don't matter

Use white weapons

[nocturne dust]

True

Anyway

so you look at application rate, right?

Crits double your application, but warp nexus doesn't

it would have to give you 100% crit chance to do that

[thorn cedar]

in a world where uncanny strike didnt effortlessly stack to 124% i could see penetrating flame being okay

[nocturne dust]

Your application rate is only boosted insofar as you crit, and you don't always crit

[loud girder]

the 20 crushers will be poked to death by ds4 users anyway might as well delete the crowds as funny harry potter man

[nocturne dust]

Again, you lose Blaze Away

that's losing a 40% damage buff

[thorn cedar]

no i mean for your team

[vernal frost]

yeah but i gain a 124 rending buff

[nocturne dust]

Oh, yeah

I mean

for your team it's whatever

[thorn cedar]

but there's no point because you're only giving them 5% extra damage overtop their already pure rending effect

and for yourself its still pretty bad

[nocturne dust]

Depends on what they're running of course

if they have weapons that don't get to 1.0 adm for whatever reason, more beneficial, it's also easier on them before they can stack uncanny in an engagement

[nocturne dust]

why tho

[thorn cedar]

maybe if ragers were carapace for dot damage

[nocturne dust]

Like, nobody has given me a good reason why PF is bad in an organized comp. Being able to burn away crushers with other brittleness is crazy.

[thorn cedar]

otherwise its somewhat relevant bonus damage for a single enemy type that is easily dispatched by other weapons and/or rending effects

[nocturne dust]

Rending trauma applies brittleness like nobody's business

The combo is right there

[brazen rampart]

We have, several times, and you are ignoring them... 🚬

[nocturne dust]

Well, no, I've literally explained why your reasoning is bad

You are ignoring me, if anything

[summer prairie]

PF is fine in high havoc

[brazen rampart]

With backwards, flawed logic, which can easily be disregarded by using melee for crushers. :)

[thorn cedar]

yes and only during that combo would the 60% stack up to be of interest. by itself its not exactly stunning

[brazen rampart]

All things circle back to melee.

[nocturne dust]

Where is the backwards logic and why have you not pointed it out

[nocturne dust]

Again

[brazen rampart]

If zealout is the class where your ranged complements your melee, psyker is the inverse.

[nocturne dust]

Let's go over this again

If you burn 20 crushers at once

melee ain't keeping up

not even ds4

[brazen rampart]

If your ranged weapon can't deal with carapace, you run something that can. How fun it is, that psyker has the most options for that.

[thorn cedar]

sorry but im a gunker and don't understand

[analog agate]

I have found in a lot of H40 inferno should always be infernoing and not getting off of it to melee as much. Mixed hordes with increased hp and such

[brazen rampart]

Gunker is just zealout but more fun.

[nocturne dust]

Fair.

[brazen rampart]

This is where your teammates step in and kill crushers for you.

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, in h40 you always have other targets to deal with

but dealing with all the targets

is an option

[analog agate]

Which…. Pen flames helps with

[nocturne dust]

why would you not take it

[analog agate]

I don’t take pen flames. But I think it is stupid to argue it doesn’t have value

[brazen rampart]

Except when they use something with uncanny, like a ds4 or shovel.

[patent mango]

never!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[nocturne dust]

Like, even if we entirely ignore crushers for a moment

[thorn cedar]

like i dont deny there's synergy with other rending effects, and having two AoE rending effects will result in actual good returns ... but that's two specific staffs with two specific blessings working in conjunction, which are otherwise not accomplishing much of note when separate.

[brazen rampart]

I'm arguing that you gimp your own damage for little payoff.

[patent mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721520171365171284/1311019478313861191/caption.gif

[nocturne dust]

PF still has more value than freaking Warp Flurry

[summer prairie]

you dont gimp anything

[hearty wolf]

It's still a common setup in havoc tho

[thorn cedar]

and other than boosting your psyker buddies, everyone else has uncanny strike which is a bullshit blessing that already fully sidesteps armor anyway

[nocturne dust]

how are you gimping your own damage tho

[brazen rampart]

I'm not explaining myself again.

[nocturne dust]

Lmao

[brazen rampart]

I've told you like 6 times now.

[nocturne dust]

You never explained

No you haven't

I explained

[hearty wolf]

Anger levels rising

[analog agate]

He said you are trading increased crits which leads to more dmg

[hearty wolf]

Peril management crazy rn

[analog agate]

I think

[thorn cedar]

really they should just make scab ragers carapace armor for dots

[analog agate]

And more blaze stacks

[thorn cedar]

i really wish they did

[nocturne dust]

PF has better overall direct damage than Nexus. Nexus only boosts application rate, and it doesn't double it either.

[nocturne dust]

Yeah

and I explained

why that is wrong

[nocturne dust]

eh

I mean

I like the current situation

where Warp Nexus and PF both have usecases

[thorn cedar]

i like most of the rework because they demand precision for headshots to manage properly (or CC)

but i found it super lame that they still get dropped by dot aoe

[random spruce]

Let's all agree that you're both wrong because the real answer is to take the "specials explode" blessing because haha funny booms

[thorn cedar]

make em carapace

[vernal frost]

fatfish forgot to switch their base armor

[thorn cedar]

hell yea showstopper meta

[nocturne dust]

No.

I will wait until they actually make showstopper meta.

[hearty wolf]

Moebian 21st should be full carapace

[thorn cedar]

actually tho

[upbeat kestrel]

NO

[thorn cedar]

im ok with that

Unarmored head but 100% carapace everywhere else

[nocturne dust]

He said full

[thorn cedar]

yer gonna melee

[nocturne dust]

Ain't no unarmored head

[near gale]

carapace jaws:

[thorn cedar]

yea but their models don't have helmets

[nocturne dust]

And?

[patent mango]

when does slopshark drop armor stronger than cara

[nocturne dust]

Carapace 2

[patent mango]

drop in some adamantium armor

[upbeat kestrel]

ceramite if any

imo

[hearty wolf]

Omg yessss

[nocturne dust]

They'll do that when they drop the tank boss fight

Trust

[upbeat kestrel]

spehs marine foight

[hearty wolf]

Make it only damageable by weapon specials like rev or charge ups

[upbeat kestrel]

kraks

[nocturne dust]

I would love it if space marines never get added to the game

[thorn cedar]

thammer total bypass

[patent mango]

i think cara is made of that

[vernal frost]

void shield.............

[hearty wolf]

Yesyes

[upbeat kestrel]

fair point

[patent mango]

sameee

[nocturne dust]

😭 RIP all the weapons that can't do that

[upbeat kestrel]

i would not complain but it would be out of place

[nocturne dust]

Devil's Claw getting pounded into sand still

[hearty wolf]

Staff has a special attack, you'll be fine

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/repost-if-you-like-ice-cream-icecream-repost-if-repost-ice-cream-gif-10826626908294100717

[nocturne dust]

Think of the children noobs tho

[random spruce]

I'm calling it now, molten beam staff gets release at the same time as ceremite enemies

[thorn cedar]

i miss beam staff

[radiant frigate]

anyway when exactly did these trauma nerfs happen t

that were mentioned above

[hearty wolf]

Frog is still here, shush 😭

[nocturne dust]

wat

[radiant frigate]

something about armor damage

[nocturne dust]

wat trauma nerfs

[radiant frigate]

exactly

[nocturne dust]

[vernal frost]

what nerfs
it has always been bad

[radiant frigate]

apparently like an hour ago there was a discussion about blaze vs rending trauma

close to the ice cream gif

[analog agate]

Nah

Blaze vs rending on inferno

[nocturne dust]

Next you're gonna tell me voidstrike is the only meta and can stagger bosses

[vernal frost]

https://tenor.com/view/chiyo-chiyo-mihama-chiyo-chan-fly-flying-gif-17644089755520395688

[patent mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/991176836874776629/1155196801645813892/caption.gif

[thorn cedar]

an hour ago? its been like ten minutes

[analog agate]

VB didn’t have anything to do with it

[radiant frigate]

no i mean this #psyker-class message

[random spruce]

Shes talking about what I first brought up. From my understanding, a while ago. Maybe I'm missing informed but trauma used to 100% bypass armor. Now it's only 35% bypass. I say now but this is in the context of me not playing for like a year and then coming back to the current game state. So unless I'm severely misinformed this happened some time in the last year

[marble crater]

I will test inferno with blaze away and pen flame later this week

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/raymond-holt-holt-carriers-of-disease-they-eat-garbage-gif-15269026178570086048

[nocturne dust]

Keep in mind

[thorn cedar]

ohhhh

[nocturne dust]

everything I said was about an organized comp

with other brittleness (rending trauma) present

[thorn cedar]

i could not tell you, i dont believe it ever did pure damage against all armour types

[nocturne dust]

PF is... not terrible but like, meh without an organized comp

[thorn cedar]

rending shockwave has always been around too so

[marble crater]

Well that's how things usually end up, but it's me playing rending trauma

[nocturne dust]

I can give you trauma

[random spruce]

OK what's the consensus on pugs. Is rending flurry on average better or worse than crit flame trauma in auric mael/havoc 40

[radiant frigate]

think about it, if it stacks with other brittleness, you can play pf and rending trauma in the same comp
AND SUDDENLY DCLAW VIABLE

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/jannis-niewoehner-rubinrot-smirk-smile-gif-12296791

[thorn cedar]

dclaw already viable

except mk1

[nocturne dust]

If purg, rending trauma >, otherwise no

[patent mango]

dclaw meta!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[thorn cedar]

that one is a stinky boy

[radiant frigate]

i mean viable without wanting to dclaw your eyes out

[nocturne dust]

everything is viable

[thorn cedar]

not the mk1

[radiant frigate]

what da mk1 doin

[random spruce]

What do you mean by this? As in if purgatus is on your team?

[nocturne dust]

lies

You can use it

[thorn cedar]

heavy attack sweep spamming and waiting to get hit to do any respectable single target damage

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[radiant frigate]

vt2 one-handed sword

[nocturne dust]

If purg is on your team, rending trauma will be better for overall team damage, otherwise fire trauma will be better

If you want damage numbers for scoreboard tho, just go fire trauma

Although, in h40, rending trauma does start to compete with fire trauma in damage

but you are kinda relying on the game to spawn enough thickets of crushers and chokepoints

[summer prairie]

I've only been running rending trauma in h40 these days

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, I do prefer rending trauma because in h40 people have actual brains... most of the time

I would recommend fire trauma for auric and rending trauma for havoc

[thorn cedar]

rending with what tho

[nocturne dust]

wdym

[thorn cedar]

flurry, nexus, etc

[nocturne dust]

flurry

[thorn cedar]

thought as much

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️

[thorn cedar]

blaze trauma so fucken comfy tho

[nocturne dust]

Yeah

[summer prairie]

not that comfy without shriek

[thorn cedar]

oh you dont know me

i do it with gaze

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/who-are-you-again-wait-a-minute-who-are-you-wait-a-minute-who-are-you-huh-gif-20746871

[nocturne dust]

bro

Why do you give me flak for strange choices 😭

[random spruce]

The problem I'm running into is what the realistic ttks are on the two builds though. Something bugging me about crit flame trauma is uptime and full blast speed. I tried doing some measurements yesterday and rending flurry trauma has faster consistent ttk against big boy specials, and technically faster ttks against medium/small specials, assuming you're quell canceling and already fully stacked on flurry.

The whole thing that got me thinking about this is wondering if dps numbers for crit flame trauma are being inflated by the passive dot ticks it has. But if those ticks are useless when blasts would already kill the enemies anyways.

I guess the simpler version of what I'm saying is, are we calling high dps good even though just killing the enemy with faster burst would be better. I sort of craft my builds under the assumption that I'm going to have to carry the team and I for some reason feel like carrying is somehow easier with flurry brittleness

Oh shit that was a wall of text...sorry

[thorn cedar]

no youre bang on

[nocturne dust]

No, I agree

That is the difficulty in examining Psyker builds

[thorn cedar]

you splash trash with like 400 dot dps and then smack them with an 900 damage blast before they die and its a bunch of overkill

[nocturne dust]

I think Vent is a little overrated because of it, because it's really good at spewing damage that may or may not be useful

[marble crater]

Is it fun? That's all that matters

[nocturne dust]

but Fire Trauma has a very large application AoE