psyker-class

[buoyant maple]

Just because u have a 0.75x out of stamina sprint modifier doesn’t mean you’re fast

[upper sun]

erm ogryn isnt suppoed to sprint just sit there and eat damage ok?

[jovial juniper]

The only saving grace of Club is Haymaker which has a pretty good uptime

(ignores the rng)

[celest valve]

basically every character has to sprint because they need to position properly

[upper sun]

ogryn crit chance
ogryn crit damage
ogryn finesse damage

yeah ookay buddy

[buoyant maple]

Veteran with a +0.09m/s sprint bonus weapon in hand has 5.34m/s sprint and 4.67m/s out of stamina sprint

Ogryn with most weapons don’t get any sprint bonus and just have 5m/s sprint and 4.75m/s out of stamina sprint

How is ogryn the fastest by any stretch

[patent mango]

fastest at getting melted by havoc ranged units

[buoyant maple]

Haymaker can’t proc on targets hit by 0 damage

Checkmate buddy

U will hope for haymaker proc on first 3 targets and maybe it’ll kill one

[jovial juniper]

I got info that tells me it can

[buoyant maple]

From a dream?

[jovial juniper]

I searched on this server

[buoyant maple]

Even batter doesn’t apply to enemies hit by 0 damage

It’s genuinely awful

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-kazuma-kiryu-pissed-off-gif-14586175

[jovial juniper]

blessing that increases crit chance
Dogshit finesse adm

[patent mango]

it'd be cool if ogryn could like explode bleed procs on light attacks or smth

to do big combo damig idk........

[buoyant maple]

It’d be cool if ogryn had more than 4 good weapons total

[patent mango]

lmao

shield is good meta wise but soooooo bad fun wise

[buoyant maple]

Cleaver actually has pretty respectable horde clear it just needs to be able to kill elites 3 times better

[patent mango]

cleaver
doesnt cleave that much

[buoyant maple]

Cleaver has pretty high cleave I think?

It’s like 16+ on heavy

[patent mango]

moreee

[jovial juniper]

28.1 on the sweeps

With Savage Sweep you have 80+

[patent mango]

that sounds good actually

[jovial juniper]

So you can tickle 8 crushers at once

[patent mango]

lol

[fathom adder]

Shield is at least good for making nonelite shooters mald so hard they switch to melee and run up to you, which is mildly funny

[jovial juniper]

(if you bypass cara)

[buoyant maple]

Carapace end cleave on contact

[jovial juniper]

Unstoppable Force

It has like 2 effects

[buoyant maple]

Yea drop slaughterer for unstoppable force

[jovial juniper]

Already did it

Thrust Crunch Unstoppable Force

(it's dogshit)

[patent mango]

i want ogryn to have rations in the talent tree somewhere

[fiery stratus]

Anyone wanna do auric?

[jovial juniper]

1- ignores carapace cleave stopping property
2- fully charged heavies ignore mass

[buoyant maple]

Hold on

Does that mean it applies first target damage to every single enemy?

Because BM also works by ignoring mass

[jovial juniper]

I willing to say no

But I can't test rn

[topaz bobcat]

So I’m a relatively new psyker player. Is the dueling sword around the same or better than the blaze force sword?

[jovial juniper]

1- which blaze force sword
2- better at single target yeah

[blissful solar]

dueling sword is apparently the best weapon ever but the deimos is pretty competent at stabbing people and lets you build your own peril at least

[topaz bobcat]

Deimos sword

Just trying to look for a good sword to go with bubble build I think

[prime elk]

What staff?

Deimos is very good single target so it pairs well with a AOE staff

Like purg or trauma

[topaz bobcat]

I’m thinking electro but still playing with them all

[prime elk]

For electro you'll need a source of horde clear

So maybe Illisi force sword

[upper sun]

what

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

were there 40 reapers under the floor

[marble crater]

No idea, I was up top

[upper sun]

highlight of the game for me tbh

bro should we shoot her
uhhhh bro idk

[marble crater]

Mobian elites, yeah right

[patent mango]

are they stupid

[blissful solar]

they didnt want to hit a woman

[upper sun]

they finally SENT IN THE ELITES

[marble crater]

[strong gulch]

[upper sun]

are we like 0-4 for baross

[marble crater]

Possibly

[upper sun]

@blissful solar we need a carry u up

[blissful solar]

ya im in

[marble crater]

Psyker blew up twice too

@blissful solar nice name, I guess?

[upper sun]

and used 2 medicae charges

in the event

[patent mango]

whar

[upper sun]

me

[patent mango]

oh i rember why i hopped on

i wanted to try revolver

[strong gulch]

If you need a forth after ur game, I can try to play.

[patent mango]

brb while i load lmao lol

[strong gulch]

Can't carry today tho. Brains not gud enough.

[blissful solar]

@upper sun game crashed

[buoyant maple]

Why’re u guys holding down there

[marble crater]

Smh

[upper sun]

idk

we just started the event

[buoyant maple]

Hold in the middle (around pillar)

Has cover vs the 10 bajillion gunner spawns

[upper sun]

yeah

[buoyant maple]

Also has LoS check vs bombers

[upper sun]

and bursters dont spawn max form near by

[buoyant maple]

U can also spawn camp the far spawn super easily

[marble crater]

Someone started while half the team was still bottom and then they jumped down again

[patent mango]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN

[buoyant maple]

I don’t mean middle as in up the stairs

[upper sun]

@patent mango u good?

[patent mango]

i just went brb!!!!!!!!!!!!!

reopening

[buoyant maple]

I mean middle as in under the landing pad

[plucky flax]

You can be anywhere tbh.

That map ez.

[patent mango]

oh i loaded in so fast

[marble crater]

I'm claustrophobic though

[patent mango]

now to load into morningstar

oh my god

i loadead in fast

[blissful solar]

i pressed escape twice and crashed, wonder if a mod is broken or something

[patent mango]

maybe i should try that

[jovial juniper]

"Quit to desktop"

[blissful solar]

though im just not gonna try it cuz im smart

[buoyant maple]

Then spawn camp near the rescue beacon, that’s a horde spawn area

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-26826812

[upper sun]

@marble crater

[jovial juniper]

Ist Schisser

[plucky flax]

Mein handy.

[deft stump]

Everything easy to you!

[marble crater]

It looks like German, but bad German

[plucky flax]

No not silo cluster.

[strong gulch]

Too much psyker. I don't know German and yet I know what's being said.

[upper sun]

dutch?

[plucky flax]

Hardest map in game.

[jovial juniper]

Ok I see fire and shield

[strong gulch]

I know I'm not the only one lmao

[upper sun]

trauma makes zit events so easy

[marble crater]

Nah, it's German, just bad

[plucky flax]

Okay you carry me in silo cluster duo.

[tepid python]

i popped again

[patent mango]

wawawa wawa wawa wa

[plucky flax]

Since syllo can't (he noob)

[upper sun]

schtandard schnnel

[deft stump]

I question why anyone wants to play it on havoc.

[plucky flax]

It'd be hell and fun.

[deft stump]

Clad offering carries?

[marble crater]

@patent mango stop it

[patent mango]

lemme post the fish vid

[plucky flax]

Clad carrying = impossible

[deft stump]

I mean, we know.

But blue moon things.

[strong gulch]

blue moon = butt

[fiery stratus]

What is hit reg and who even needs it tbh

[patent mango]

i could go for some moss rn

[upper sun]

wow bully

[plucky flax]

It's tough love bby.

[marble crater]

@patent mango sorry not sorry about the burster

[plucky flax]

[patent mango]

what

[upper sun]

i think i go eat

[plucky flax]

Bro eating so late at night.

This is how you get fat

[upper sun]

yeah

[marble crater]

I exploded a burster in your face towards the end

[patent mango]

help!!!!!!!! help me!!!!!!!

[fiery stratus]

have you tried filter feeding

[upper sun]

pffff

[plucky flax]

Go to bed starved and eat breakfast later.

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/nervous-spongebob-heavybreathing-panic-attack-panic-gif-6124726

[upper sun]

no

[plucky flax]

That's what I'm doing.

[patent mango]

how do i put a crosshair on fanning revolver again

[plucky flax]

I'm so hungry

[fiery stratus]

its all in settings

[plucky flax]

I can have some cereal but it's a lot of sugar.

And I brushed me teeth so nah gonna starve and cry.

[patent mango]

crosshair remap is the right mod i think at lea st

mayb

[fiery stratus]

they added crosshairs to the game months ago

[patent mango]

whar

[fiery stratus]

i just use one of the vanilla ones for agripinaa

[patent mango]

it didnt work

[marble crater]

@strong gulch wanna join now?

[upper sun]

cereal is bad for u

[patent mango]

ohhhhhhhh

i see why it no worky

extended customization sights kill crosshair lmao

[blissful solar]

think so, not sure if it'll work with fanning per se but someone mentioned it earlier for crosshair while ads

[strong gulch]

Yeah can try. Brain is funny tho. So mid play at best. 🫡

[upper sun]

bro has weapon customization and doesnt know why his game keeps crashing

[plucky flax]

How am I going to have breakfast?

[fiery stratus]

[patent mango]

lol

[upper sun]

salami and cheese

[fiery stratus]

Eggs and toast

[upper sun]

oatmeal

[strong gulch]

rice and eggs

[upper sun]

somethingnotcereal

[plucky flax]

Uh I need super fast breakfast so I go to work.

Ain't nobody got time to cook.

[upper sun]

cook it now and eat it tomorrow

overnight oats

[plucky flax]

I hate oats.

[upper sun]

wow

[plucky flax]

It's cereal but not sweet.

[fiery stratus]

cooking an egg takes like 3 minutes

[upper sun]

add protein powder to them and peanutbutter

goes hard

[strong gulch]

day old rice and pre boiled egg

Protein bar and coffee

[fiery stratus]

[patent mango]

put sugar in

[plucky flax]

Then it's just bad like cereal.

So might as well eat the yummy chocolate ones then drink the chocolate milk after.

[patent mango]

put cereal in

[upper sun]

put baby food in

[patent mango]

put slop and moss in

[deft stump]

Add honey rfdguihghdhudhgudhfgufdf

[plucky flax]

wtf

Weirdos.

[upper sun]

baby food mixes well with oats and is usually gov subsidized

[plucky flax]

Baby food for adults?

[upper sun]

its usually cheap and nutritious

[plucky flax]

[upper sun]

yes

mix it with the oats

[patent mango]

adults are allergic to baby food though

[blissful solar]

oatmeal is probably a great superfood. can add some chia seeds and it's healthy. except if it's quaker oats, that shit has sugar

[upper sun]

what

[patent mango]

its for babies

adults would die

[plucky flax]

^

[deft stump]

Depends on country.

[upper sun]

its for baby humans im a human

[fiery stratus]

Just do what I do and skip breakfast and lunch and eat one meal per day in the evening

[plucky flax]

Clad out here trying to poison a young healthy male.

[blissful solar]

america moment, we die from oatmeal

[fiery stratus]

@patent mango

You can also retighten the crosshair by adsing again

Itll spread when shot

[deft stump]

Our Quakers is pure oats unless you buy the prepacked cups or something.

[patent mango]

is that rapid fire crosshair

im using it rn

[fiery stratus]

Yeah thats the one I use most for psyker

[patent mango]

i died 5s into the mission

[deft stump]

Babies need differing amounts of nutrition than adults though.

[patent mango]

LOL

didnt know i wouldnt grab that ledge

[upper sun]

just add more

[deft stump]

That's how YOU get fat then. Baby food has more of those. >_>

[upper sun]

🙄

its baby food it not mass gainer 9000 like agent eats for breakfast

[fiery stratus]

Just eat dehydrated camping food packs and drink water afterward

[deft stump]

They are both bad. Just have toast with kaya and butter and 2 half/soft boiled eggs like normal Asian.

And kopi or teh.

[patent mango]

y'know if ogryns give 4 essence does that mean they have more soul than normal people

[upper sun]

no

[patent mango]

yes

[upper sun]

i refuse to be normal

[plucky flax]

I eat kelloggs.

Veri cool.

[upper sun]

i vill eat the baby food

[deft stump]

That is either tasteless or something.

[fiery stratus]

just eat unscented wallpaper glue

[upper sun]

no

[fiery stratus]

yes

[upper sun]

its clearly not food

[fiery stratus]

as far as you know

[plucky flax]

Bro this is the best but it's so expensive.

[plucky flax]

No it tastes amazing and so sweet

[fiery stratus]

needs more cinnamon toast crunch

[deft stump]

Why not just have the above at this point? Nut clusters, yuck.

[plucky flax]

Wut?

It's so good.

[narrow herald]

I stopped eating cereal after a year and when I tried it the other day I felt like shit all day 🤢

[plucky flax]

Cereal haters?!

[deft stump]

Probs all the sugar you get.

[narrow herald]

Yeah it's just dried sugar

Not only is it insane amount of carbs, it dehydrates you

[plucky flax]

I need the energy.

[sudden willow]

I could tell you a story about once when I ate a lot of weetabix...

[patent mango]

dude cereal is crazy its like soup but sweet

[narrow herald]

oh no

[deft stump]

Your teh no milk no sweet sweet milk is it?

[plucky flax]

I use full fat milk too.

The blue one.

[fiery stratus]

When you have too much fiber and you shit like a firehose afterward

[plucky flax]

Bro is just built different.

[narrow herald]

If the milk is blue I think that is a bio hazard 💀

[fiery stratus]

dummies never seen a blue cow before smh

maybe touch grass

[narrow herald]

[plucky flax]

Oh it's like colour-coded here. Blue = fat. Green = semi-skimmed. Red = skimmed (water).

[sudden willow]

tru chads drink the soy

[deft stump]

Who waste money on trash and trash? Only full fat.

[narrow herald]

Whole milk has almost no calorie difference to other cut milk

It's just a marketing scheme from the 80s that never died

Because to make up for the lack of fat they throw more sugar

Lmao

[plucky flax]

I drink milk for the milk taste not water so always full fat for me.

[sudden willow]

i mean semi did less damage to my bowels

[fiery stratus]

Loading into a failed maelstrom be like

[plucky flax]

I tried fully skimmed milk once. It was worse than water.

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-crazy-insane-psycho-sweaty-gif-7518132

[narrow herald]

Drink lactose free milk then

[fiery stratus]

All with ass, definitely legit i'm sure

[sudden willow]

Soya light thank you

[narrow herald]

Soy is good but I prefer coconut

[sudden willow]

but I occasionally get a craving for a couple pints of full fat milk and a box of frosties. i destory the box and then my toilet.

[fiery stratus]

Almond milk is better than most other milks

[autumn lark]

just drink full milk

[plucky flax]

I do.

[sudden willow]

the taste alters things though

[fiery stratus]

Can

[plucky flax]

Straight from the cow.

[sudden willow]

hence i've settled on soya light.

[autumn lark]

when the milk has a thin layer of fat fleece ontop of it

https://tenor.com/view/chefs-kiss-french-chef-perfect-dish-excellent-food-perfection-gif-20341505

[deft stump]

That tastes, weird tbh. Tried it once cos someone got it.

[narrow herald]

Fun fact, whale milk is 50% fat

[fiery stratus]

i want whale cheese now

[narrow herald]

I heard raw milk is now popular

[deft stump]

It's less a liquid, more a cream from what i heard.

[fiery stratus]

someone go milk the whale

[narrow herald]

No

[fiery stratus]

aka emperors mum

[sudden willow]

also the lactose free never solved my issue. i sometimes even got worse issues.

cause it's not actually lactose free, it just has the enzyme added to it

[upper sun]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/known-issue-havoc-rank-demotions/103930/6
LMAO

it wasnt supposed to do that?

[deft stump]

Said enzyme should have converted the lactose to a weird tasting thing though.

[sudden willow]

I believe it's in some form of inert form that activates in your gut or such. I could be wrong, but it made sense when I was having worse issues.

I also most likely have the cow protein allergy not lactose intolerance

[patent mango]

whar!!!!!

[earnest sand]

I like milking my own almonds. I have one called Al he's a 5 year old almond produces a lot of milk

[radiant frigate]

epic tbh

[sudden willow]

oh sure, this doesn't trigger the chat purity fanatics, but saying 'brat' does, pfft

[deft stump]

Who knows unless you purposely get tested. Mom can have it but she hates the taste. She has really bad lactose intolerance. I'm basically immune unless I do something stupid like drink 1+ litres a day in a meal or so.

[sudden willow]

speculate and avoid certain foods/not avoid certain foods and complain when i get the shits

[deft stump]

Guess just avoid unless the milk content is on the lower end.

[thorn cedar]

i demand maximum milkies

[sudden willow]

whey powder is especially visicous i've noticed, which just supports my theory

[blissful solar]

https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/91-AvPCFCCL._SL1500_.jpg average oatmeal in america (way more sugar than fiber)

[deft stump]

Eh? To be exact, I don't use that.

[deft stump]

Oh yeah, they brought those here... Bloody expensive per cup btw. I rather just buy the oat bags than that at times unless hyper lazy and need a sugar fix AND it's on sale.

[sudden willow]

No it's just used in a lot of produts, like biscuits or such. It's a really cheap filler/fattener kinda thing. Like adds bulk to things and is a by product so is real cheap

[deft stump]

I mean, what do you expect of companies? They wanna make the most of the least amount they can spend.

[narrow herald]

Why dont you add the maple and brown sugar yourself?

[blissful solar]

@patent mango

[blissful solar]

because america i guess, idk

[narrow herald]

Bruh, and Americans wonder why they all die from heart disease by 40 ☠️

[patent mango]

🔥

[strong gulch]

That map had a lot of shooters

@wind spruce knife, braced autogun, assail, shield, warp siphon

edit also CDR

[deft stump]

Eh, just be born with a weak heart to a family all prone to heart problems.

[strong gulch]

@marble crater You get a random build too.

DS2, revolver, BB, elite aura, Shriek, warp siphon

[wind spruce]

I'll give it a whirl this afternoon!

[marble crater]

My shrieks will be more like whimpers

[strong gulch]

pre charge will be your only way to keep peril up. lmao

[fiery stratus]

Don't jump

[autumn lark]

Ive already had 2 voicelines from sefoni saying melk has a secret team in the city searching for something

Most likely brunts

And we dont know what brunts is up to

[marble crater]

It will be fine, it's an auric ready build

[blissful solar]

brunts out finding experimental weapons

or got captured and is working on the cult or something's weapons and when he gets saved he brings us new weapons anyway

[autumn lark]

I thought brunts would be back with the relic blade

Im pret sure brunts is searching for something

[patent mango]

dude we got an entire relic weapon before brunt came back

its hilarious

[autumn lark]

Brunts couldve found an STC or a cache of aerotech or a cache of weaponry

[fiery stratus]

Bro got yeeted like a sack of potatos

[strong gulch]

I've played this build when the game accidentally combined multiple builds and there was basically no ammo. I was BB bot.

[fiery stratus]

Allow the anus tightening to commence

[autumn lark]

Worst case scenario brunts is a plague ogryn now

[round blaze]

I've noticed that all the guide-makers really value toughness regen speed, but people in discord chat think it's kind of shit

[autumn lark]

Toughness regen turns off out of coherency or when your in melee range of enemies

[round blaze]

Yah, I understand that. I completely stopped running it when I learned that.

[fiery stratus]

coherency is kinda bad outside of havoc

better to use your curio slots for other things

[blissful solar]

does toughness regen work with ewew?

probably not, if it did it'd kinda be good in that case i guess

[autumn lark]

@autumn smelt ?

[fringe garden]

The guy who makes the Psyker Atheneum guide swears by toughness regen speed

I think that's how that mainly gets around

[autumn lark]

I should look into changing up my psyker tree more

[fringe garden]

Man I change my tree constantly out of boredom lol

[strong gulch]

random picks with a spin wheel

[fiery stratus]

The weapons of the people in our game

Level 600 and 400+ each btw

[analog agate]

As does Ogrynomicon. Though they explain in it their thought process specifically for ogryn

[fringe garden]

The guide also says corruption resistance is bad, but I've seen people argue it's one of the most common effects you can encounter, and therefore very useful on curios

[autumn lark]

Do they mention gunner resistance?

[autumn smelt]

Like toughness regen, the perk? For coherency?

[fringe garden]

I think gunner resistance is universally agreed as useful

[autumn smelt]

Cuz no, ewew isnt coherency regen

[fringe garden]

Though it does have diminishing returns, so each curio you have it on gives a bit less

[autumn lark]

Does ewew activate coherency regen in melee

Or is it just the talent itself proccing

[autumn smelt]

No

[blissful solar]

yeah i figured they were just not the same type of toughness regen

[autumn smelt]

That's just the talent having regen when you're near enemies

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-dragon-ball-daima-thumbs-up-buu-saga-dragon-ball-z-gif-986750228954689062

[autumn smelt]

Not a single source of +toughness regen currently affects anything besides coherency

[fiery stratus]

@autumn smelt

Level 600+

[autumn smelt]

I didn't sign up to this torture

[fiery stratus]

look at the evis near it

almost level 500

[stark crown]

I saw lacerate and then the moment I saw ruthless and the perks I was depressed

[stark crown]

They haven’t been enlightened yet

[fiery stratus]

This was the other guy who was level 500

oops

There we go

[verbal thistle]

sorry

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/pain-are-we-suffering-swag-kruglik-yahicord-gif-21495687

[verbal thistle]

thats me

[stark crown]

Oppor and Momentum holy peak

https://tenor.com/view/true-true-morgan-freeman-truth-spongebob-truth-nuke-gif-1296874394411357781

[fiery stratus]

momentum on zealot

[haughty star]

I just run health toughness and cdr on my curios

For soyker

[stark crown]

You’re upset he hit you with an absolutely diabolical truth nuke

[autumn lark]

Full health curios on psyker is so goated

[brazen rampart]

What elite shooters see when I'm abusing tf out of EE:

[strong gulch]

Game decided I was in fire and had to die.

[brazen rampart]

@indigo plank h40 gunker experience.

[indigo plank]

: Reminds me, the fastest I’ve ever seen the HL2 pistol fire was an ancient video of some dude getting jumpscared on Nightmare House 2

[patent mango]

heretics so locked in to not run away the moment the psyker cuts 70 of them in half tbh

or stupid

[patent mango]

powerful beast

[sick granite]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/162136243579256832/1333685031465385994/1D4D16D4981C68D8.mp4?ex=679a733a&is=679921ba&hm=ebfc2b383f9f24a9b3ee3216b2b7f221cc9e86f0e3b986a22bb7a0af65762559&

I specced into Smite as hard as I can.

I sustained a constant lightning beam for nearly 30 seconds.

I love my lightning build.

[weary idol]

specced into smite but somehow missed empowered psionics

which makes it actually kill enemies

and not using any of the warp damage talents to make it kill things faster

[jovial juniper]

(Warp Syphon hidden OP)

[patent mango]

smite moment

[jovial juniper]

Smite might be on the snooze side

But the feeling of your ability being ready while you're smiting is pretty good

It's like the Unlimited Power scene

[nocturne dust]

Psykinetics Aura is also very niche, very unknown talent that is actually very strong

[thorn pond]

I don't really get why u used smite there at the start. IMO what i learned after so many years playing this game is that 90% of the time u are using smite you could be doing smth more usefull with more dps. Using it at the end there was okay since u are keeping a cluster of elites pinned down so u team can decide to throw a nade,plasma gun, go for the head. (A good team don't need 3 full secs of that seeing that the elites are just casually walking towards the team without a ambush, horde or a boss).

Also remember that if u decide to use smite you are deciding to forgo your teams talents and skills like precog, riposte etc

[last shore]

All my homies hate smyker

[thorn pond]

I love being palpatine too but smite is just too weak rn

it was ok when it came out activating weakspot hits for true aim

[lone wing]

it's designed to be an AOE stun and damage boost
it is not designed to DEAL damage

never has been

[thorn pond]

damage boost?

[lone wing]

one of the nodes increases damage done to stunned targets

[thorn pond]

oh

hahaah the 10% one?

[last shore]

Know what the best CC is?

Death.

[thorn pond]

exactly

I love smite

[lone wing]

just dont use smite

[thorn pond]

you just need 3 talents to make it work

then pick a specific keystone

[late sapphire]

10% damage boost is stinky

[thorn pond]

then just stay there smiting begging your team to attack and use the 10% boost since you cannot use it

[late sapphire]

since just attacking properly will add 33% to the total damage at least

[late sapphire]

ep smite with shriek is insanely easy ok damage

[lone wing]

i make it a point to not attack smited enemies unless we're in an "oh fuck" situation

[late sapphire]

totally brainless gameplay though

[jovial juniper]

Not designed for damage when it kills everything short of carapace in 8 seconds just because
(No fall off,15+ meters)

[thorn pond]

again i like being palpatine with it but smite is just not good. Its fun but ppl need to stop using it at the wrong time.

[jovial juniper]

[thorn cedar]

it has fall off on a per-target basis

just by virtue of having to reach the target

[thorn pond]

If the party gets ambushed and for some reason ppl are being braindead and the veteran doesn't shout the zealot is illiterate and your ogryn can't bullrush its great to smite

[jovial juniper]

[thorn pond]

Zealot can kill a boss in 8 sec

[late sapphire]

#psyker-class message

[jovial juniper]

Wrong

1 sec

Max

[thorn pond]

XD

[thorn pond]

finally a situation where its being used correctly however lets remebember you had to waste 3 perks to make it viable then go for EP and if thats a surge staff u are using u essentially forgoing your staff dps for smite dps lel

[ivory sail]

What's the shield hp amount of the shield bubble and the shield wall, or are they the same hp pool?

[late sapphire]

yeah this is atlas gameplay

it's one of the easiest maelstrom capable builds though

1mil damage guaranteed if you are moderately capable (unless your team is cracked)

[last shore]

If you’re doing 1m damage in mael as a smite psyker, you’re taking way too long to complete the mission

[late sapphire]

check the atheneum https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[thorn pond]

snail pace mailstrom?

[ivory sail]

thanks ❤️

[last shore]

Especially with a cracked team

[thorn pond]

he could 100% kill everyone there with the surge staff tho

[last shore]

No one should be breaking 1m dmg in auric mael with a full cracked team

[thorn pond]

Was in cover, okay peril, prob had the talents for crit

prob it would've taken him less or the same ammount of time to kill the elites/especialist and them meleeing the trash mobs

but i get it he had smite it was a good chance to use it

good to hold a horde for a revive

quickly using it to push a dog and meleeing it

[jovial juniper]

With a surge staff
The single target staff
The staff that kills single targets
The single targets that are one?

Yeah sorry
You're not cooking

[thorn pond]

again very situational because you could always be doing something with more dps

[jovial juniper]

🗣️

[last shore]

Assail surge staff just destroys and deletes everything actually

[strong gulch]

Random wheel picker chose devil's claw, laspistol, smite, shield, and DD. The map had the increased ogryns. That was pain.

[thorn pond]

i've counted 9 elites and especialits in there

[late sapphire]

No shit other builds can outdps smite

[thorn pond]

all of them with less than 50% hp

[late sapphire]

I love my voidstrike staff

But it's a brain meltingly simple ability to build around

[thorn pond]

The surge staff also has the same trait that smite does and jumps to another enemy

[ivory sail]

in this link it doesnt specify sadly 😦

[jovial juniper]

(the second enemy takes 250 damage tops)

[last shore]

Just use left click on surge with assail and DD and profit. Use right click situationally like vs bosses, crushers, bulwarks, freezing a hound/trapper to left click kill it so it doesn’t run away…etc

[late sapphire]

my bad give me a sec

[brazen rampart]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jAhbR8OHsezomBjV0?invite=cr-MSxEOVIsMjY5OTA3MzMzLA

I always giggle when this happens.

[late sapphire]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3094028505

in short, it lasts 17s by default, 6s under max load, and due to the cooldown period there is no difference between one gunner/reaper shooting and several

[thorn pond]

Do read the "How shield works" section @ivory sail its pretty interesting how it works

[verbal thistle]

He cant read

[ivory sail]

my question is if they these share the same hp pool, logic dictates yes; buuut fatshark has been known to not disclose that kind of info in the past

[blissful solar]

rip

[marble crater]

I think I will use this build

[late sapphire]

each shield has its own pool, if that's what you're asking

dome and wall perform the same

[strong gulch]

let's go surety of arms

[lone wing]

talent and node bottom right is not needed for that build if you're doing what i think you are

surety suggest gunker though

what in the fuck am i looking at

[ivory sail]

yes, thats what i want to know

[marble crater]

What do you think I'm doing?

[lone wing]

soulblaze purge staff

that's like, textbook for that

[thorn pond]

is that talent from brain burst even worth it?

[lone wing]

yes

[late sapphire]

kinetic flayer is fairly solid

Used to be trash now it's ok

Not top tier though

[marble crater]

No, it's for the random loadout potato gave me to play. With DS2 and revolver, so I was thinking to take it for some peril generation

[lone wing]

aye fair enough

[strong gulch]

surety will carry peril gen

[marble crater]

And reload speed because I will be below 75% almost the entire time, I swear I'm not trolling within context of the troll build

[lone wing]

without context it looks like your trolling
with context it makes sense

[marble crater]

One of the builds of all time

[feral carbon]

hey, anybody up to help me get malleus monstrum? there's a brute conscripts heresy mission thats ideal for it if anyone doesn't have it

[thorn pond]

the what?

the Cicatrix Maledictum?

[queen fog]

No the malleus monstrum

[thorn pond]

No idea what that is

[feral carbon]

private game penance for psyker, 50% monstrosity health with brain burst

[queen fog]

Long story short u spam brain burst on a boss monster

[thorn pond]

Do you know Saint Messalina?

[queen fog]

Private game required so it got the orange skull of doom

[feral carbon]

i only need cliffhanger and malleus to get all 3 emperor penances as psyker

[lone wing]

best map to do it on is consignment yard for the guaranteed boss spawn at the end

[feral carbon]

huh, i figured that was a guarenteed boss spawn, just need a team to do it with though
gonna try to get cliffhanger on the uprising chasm station that just popped up rq, hopefully it works out

[lone wing]

get lucky and a daemonhost spawns have the other person tank it for half it's hp then kill it

[marble crater]

I'm already in bed now, otherwise I would help. Ask again in 19 hours

[feral carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/469590314626318348/1278355897315491940/1724854111081585.gif

[feral carbon]

nvm, thats chasm station, not logistratum

[thorn pond]

just saw that they made it exclusive to specials, elites and monstruosities.

Dunno still looks kinda shit

10% every 15 sec? and its only brain burst dmg

[tepid python]

i need it

[thorn pond]

even it was a 10% chance for insta-kill for monstruosities i would still be kinda on the fence

[marble crater]

It's free damage that actually helps a fair amount in many situations

[feral carbon]

its the cooldown that kills it, if it was 1-3s cooldown, it would be pretty good for extra boss damage with a recon gun build

[late sapphire]

The 10% are meaningless

You trigger it every 16 seconds or whatever

It's a 5~10% amortized dps boost so it's worth taking with the last point

[thorn pond]

dunno but then again i'm mostly using force sword, chainaxe, DS. 2 secs max to kill a bullwark

[late sapphire]

Generally you pick it with purgatus and then its moderately useful

[thorn pond]

that would make sense i never go purgatus

[marble crater]

Pick it with EK to one shot two elites at the same time

[thorn pond]

i agree but also feel theres better talents for that however since its all atacks and not only melee it could be usefull despite being very luck base

just feel we have so few points for all the usefull things in the talent tree

[feral carbon]

it could be, but i feel like that point is better spent on the modifer next to it, or for something like lighting speed, or souldrinker, depending on the build

[feral carbon]

we have plenty of points, its the cost of points to get to the more useful stuff

[wind spruce]

It's mostly used for left hand staff builds which can generally afford it

You're usually giving up a defensive option

[marble crater]

Souldrinker is bad and Kinetic Resonance is also bad outside of a dedicated BB build

[wind spruce]

So it's a git gud scrub moment

[thorn pond]

100% agree

kinda the reason i have a hard time going for warp syphon this days

[fringe garden]

kinetic resonance is good for getting that one penance and that's about it lol

[thorn pond]

makes sense giving up the empathic evasion for it prob

i would never do that but makes sense

[wind spruce]

Depends what weapons you're using.

[thorn pond]

unpopular opinion but i think our kind needs to git gud with melee weapons

i'm sry my siblings

[wind spruce]

Thanks for apologising

[thorn pond]

after i started using malefic momentum and using the big brain play of swithing between weapons every sec to keep it going with DD i'm always having a blast

[prime elk]

this is one of the coldest takes possible regarding psykers

[thorn pond]

I dunno i just feel most psykers are kinda not there when using melee just slashing the air, spamming left click or panic blocking a boss not being able to solo a bullwark

maybe its because i think psyker is still the most picked class

[prime elk]

psyker is the auto aim unlimited ammunition class, so yeah historically psyker players tend to suck at the game mechanically

[thorn pond]

auto aim?

[strong gulch]

no health or toughness curios on a gas map feels bad

[thorn pond]

i dunno i always get punished by not aiming for the head with my ball staff

[marble crater]

Why do you not have them

[prime elk]

of all the staves, it's the only one that requires any real aiming, and even then, hardly

[strong gulch]

Mod randomly gave me 2 +3 stams and a +2 stam. Only 1 was orange.

[marble crater]

outrun the gas then

[thorn pond]

Agree with the first part hardly disagree with the last

[prime elk]

well you may need to lead targets

but the voidstrike projectile is the size of the moon

[thorn pond]

But you forget that the voidstrike has the same quick that the plasma gun had

If you hit your enemies hand wich it almost always does for especialist and elites it doesn't count as a head shot and it really show up in the dmg table

[prime elk]

VS is harder to use than some of the other staves, but it's still very forgiving

[marble crater]

Have you tried not aiming at the hand?

[thorn pond]

Are u a redditor by any chance?

[marble crater]

Are you incapable of answering questions by any chance?

[brazen rampart]

No, he's right, maybe don't aim for the hand...

[modest patrol]

Oh I showed up at an interesting time

[thorn pond]

Calm down there buddy its just a game no reason to get angry

[modest patrol]

Greetings siblings

[long wharf]

groins should be weakspots

[thorn pond]

we don't want u punching the walls of your mothers house

[modest patrol]

I like this line of thought

[last shore]

That’s a low blow

[long wharf]

that's the point

[marble crater]

I will take that as a no then

[last shore]

That’s the pun.

[long wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-no-this-is-patrick-spongebob-angry-mad-gif-9319809

[brazen rampart]

You rn.

The only enemies in the game you should ever be getting a "hand shot" on are maulers and crushers actively attempting to overhead you.

[long wharf]

I also want the fgs special attack to not have damage falloff

[wet charm]

Squeak (although being proficient with melee is important, rat thinks learning how to use staffs to their full potential is far more important)

[queen fog]

Oh boy I can’t wait to only use warp slash to win a mission

[thorn pond]

I feel some of u might not be understanding or just joking around but if by any chance u are actually not understanding it. The voidstrick charge attack wich is the size of the moon has the same quick as the plasma gun had (they changed it for being a problem) that if your moon size ball for weap energy hits the especialists/elites hand while still hitting the head your dmg gets reduced and most of the time your attack also doesn't cleave the same way it would for a full headshot blast.

[long wharf]

I don't see a problem with that

[wet charm]

Squeak (staffs, especially the voidblast is far better as a weapon)

[queen fog]

Oh my fault for coming off sarcastic, wouldn’t mind it

[thorn pond]

oh i know u

[prime elk]

i've done that before

https://tenor.com/view/sweaty-speedrunner-epic-gamer-sweatyspeedrunner-gif-22461398

me charging my sword every 2 seconds

[thorn pond]

ur the guy who used scripts and posted the video "best psyker of all time"

[brazen rampart]

Brother, having run both plasma and voidstrike extensively, this is genuinely a skill issue. Please consider improving.

[thorn pond]

big fan

[thorn pond]

brother having met darktide players like u i don't care

[patent mango]

nah i like it being up close damig

[wet charm]

Squeak (rat did post that video, but doesnt use scripts or mods) ._.

[brazen rampart]

Neither weapon is remotely difficult to use. This is an operator error.

[wet charm]

Squeak (thank you tho) ;D

[thorn pond]

That was a pretty good video tho

[wet charm]

.0.

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/hSMrzqP3YAx.gif

[wet charm]

Squeak (tyvm)

[patent mango]

best fgs player video when

[wet charm]

o.0

[brazen rampart]

Define "darktide players like me." I'm quite curious. I'm not even being insulting right now, I'm just making an observation.

[patent mango]

the observer

[queen fog]

a curious observation even

[brazen rampart]

It happens when you have to be objective and critique your own gameplay to improve at the game.

[queen fog]

i can be the objective? ty for the info didnt know that

[brazen rampart]

Had to notice a lot of patterns in what I used to do to get better. :P

[queen fog]

brb bootin up darktide to be the cryotic rods

[thorn pond]

Either you are being intentionally thick to be annoying or not knowing about being condecending and rude

[blissful solar]

chat moving fast no one will know meow meow mrow prrr

[brazen rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/359538506730700800/1330836631254466591/GIF_20250120_034923_211.gif

[patent mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1099414400990970006/1202611378863607898/tumblr_e81695aff3a1a921d2befaef6397391a_d1a5d7f8_1280.gif

[modest patrol]

[thorn pond]

altho i'm not sure wich one i'm too old to go tru this

[patent mango]

ancient creature

[brazen rampart]

No, really, do tell what you meant. Depending on your answer, I may have to tell you never to set foot in zealout chat.

The regulars there are far more rude than I am, to be sure.

[last shore]

https://tenor.com/view/you-shall-not-pass-lotr-do-not-enter-not-allowed-scream-gif-16729885

[thorn pond]

Like u told me

your innability to understand this

might be a skill issue

not very usefull is it

[queen fog]

ah yes the other people being dicks, let that be the defining factor to why i am a dick

forgive me that was sarcasm

[patent mango]

is this an argument i cant tell

[modest patrol]

Was gonna say I’ve never found you rude but maybe that’s just me

[brazen rampart]

Tbh I don't even know anymore.

[last shore]

And far more weird so makes me take their opinions less seriously.

[blissful solar]

this is indeed an argument but it's a little awkward

[patent mango]

its like

really poorly executed

and way too drawn out

[thorn pond]

lets talk about slaneesh material

[patent mango]

alright lets continue the argument

[brazen rampart]

I try to remain cordial but if you ever find me in a vc then I am likely absolutely flaming my teammates for being braindead hooligans.

[queen fog]

oh, the toads a drill sergeant

[brazen rampart]

Push to talk is a wonderful feature, by the way.

[brazen rampart]

I could never be so cruel.

[modest patrol]

There’s a reason I tend to frequently mute myself if I find myself getting frustrated ha

Same reason I prefer to drive alone

[patent mango]

sometimes i forget i have soundboard open and then play like a half life sound clip

[queen fog]

your level of cruel aint the same as others so give yourself a little credit

[patent mango]

into dt vc

[brazen rampart]

I feel you on the driving thing, I fuckin HATE driving in my town. People drive like they've got a deathwish.

[modest patrol]

My West Virginia will come out

[modest patrol]

And no one needs to hear that

[thorn pond]

ok I'm going to cause an very heated argument here but

techo mommy hadron is 100% times better than halloweete

[upper galleon]

the mutant grabbing my teammate in lights out

[patent mango]

hadron isnt even the best mechanicus in dt

[upper galleon]

hallowette is going to buy atoma and save it from the heretics

🫡

[brazen rampart]

I'm going to let that mutant abuse you instead of oneshotting it like I know I can.

[modest patrol]

Allow me to just one up both of those ladies

Sefoni

The end

[thorn pond]

whos your waifu

i mean

[patent mango]

why would i have one

[thorn pond]

whos your fav character

[patent mango]

ohh

kayex and swagger r funy

[brazen rampart]

My favorite character is Morrow.

[patent mango]

swagger i don even know why hes named that

[brazen rampart]

Kayex is a close second, he gets really heated when he shit talks Hadron, it's amusing.

[thorn pond]

kayex doesn't have a toaster i can stick my bread in

[brazen rampart]

Bro WHAT.

AND ZEALOUT CHAT IS THE FREAKY CHAT.

[modest patrol]

I’m that toaster I mean sorry impulsive thoughts

[brazen rampart]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297199640931991648/1299942320753606737/crackbert3.gif

[queen fog]

You’re all wrong, clearly the servitors hadron uses is the only correct choice

[modest patrol]

But only for Kayex

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/view/rainworld-rain-world-rainworld-scav-rain-world-scav-gif-10837385642969912998

[brazen rampart]

Yeah all of you need to be smited.

Like, with hammers.

[thorn pond]

nah we already talked about it

smite is not good

[brazen rampart]

Lots of hammers.

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/dfYhetL2NXo.gif

[queen fog]

To be fair, the other term used to describe psykers is “freak” lol

[modest patrol]

Check my default discord username

[brazen rampart]

Brother I am referring to divine smite, not that ragged ass bio-lightning.

I am going to squish your head with a big hammer and this cool nat 20 I found.

[modest patrol]

Paladin player found

[brazen rampart]

What a shame that 5e action economy with smites fucking sucks ass.

[modest patrol]

YES

[patent mango]

smite fans when they have to long eep every 3m

like whats up with that stop being tired maybe for once

[brazen rampart]

You're telling me I have to use it as a bonus action, on top of my weapon action? How about you shit yourself.

Homebrew rules are so much better, it's the fastest and easiest way to fix smites.

[patent mango]

dnd is best homebrewed

[modest patrol]

At least it’s not 3.5 with one smite a day or some shit

[brazen rampart]

Very simply, all I did was make them function exactly the same as divine smite, and to separate divine smite and branding smite, I allowed divine smite to be used as an attack spell, like cooler sacred flame.

[sudden willow]

good spirit homebrew stuff is the only way

[patent mango]

isnt wotc goofy anyways

[sudden willow]

amongst other things

[brazen rampart]

So now my paladins have actual ranged attacks and don't need to bend over backwards burning spell slots getting close to some jackass casting misty step every other turn.

[modest patrol]

This is why one should sail the seas 🏴‍☠️ when obtaining source books

[patent mango]

i think wotc uses ai generation stuff

so they're stinky

[queen fog]

I gotta sail the sea to read more books, my 40k knowledge is lacking

[long wharf]

sailing the high seas for table top gaming is a no no

[patent mango]

read the entire wiki

[brazen rampart]

Wotc got rid of my half races, can't have shit in dnd.

"Muh unfortunate upbringing" yeah that's how you write a character you goofball.

[queen fog]

Noted

[long wharf]

I've been at a lot of tables where you couldn't use material from a book you didn't own and bring with you to the table

[brazen rampart]

Dms like this should be beaten in the street.

[patent mango]

what

thats just weird

[long wharf]

wrong, it's a great rule - it fights splat book abuse

no GM knows all the books out there and all the weirdness they add

[brazen rampart]

How about the dm not be a pissbaby and just let me use shit because I wrote it down word for word out of a book?

[patent mango]

whar

[long wharf]

how about you not be a pissbaby trying to use whatever weirdness you find in a random book?

just because you wrote it down doesn't mean shit

[brazen rampart]

In fact I have gone a step further and written down every spell in the game in a google doc, shorthanded, so I know what all of them do.

[modest patrol]

With WOTC being bought out by Hasbro, and how they treat their people — yeah nah, I’m not all that concerned with giving them my money. My friends and I share our digital copies

[patent mango]

i don wana support them lol

[earnest sand]

The real question is which god roll is better

[long wharf]

then don't play their games

[patent mango]

huh? no

[brazen rampart]

🏴‍☠️

[patent mango]

not how dnd works

[modest patrol]

containing my commentary

[long wharf]

I'm glad to see digital versions of PHBs freely available when released by the owning companies

[brazen rampart]

I haven't bought a single book. I've borrowed books from people I know and written down their information instead.

[patent mango]

🔥

[modest patrol]

How very dare you /s

[brazen rampart]

I dont need any fancy pictures or hardback copies to play the game.

Also yeah there are whole pdfs floating around of phbs, monster manuals, and so on.

[long wharf]

did you play 3.5e?

[brazen rampart]

The only dnd related content I've ever considered purchasing is that one bloodborne kickstarter thing.

Steinhardt's Guide to the Eldritch Hunt, iirc.

It's got fancy trick weapons and shit.

Looks super cool.

[long wharf]

3.5e had literally hundreds of 3rd party books

[modest patrol]

And guess I should tell the queer community center I work with to stop hosting d&d games for local youth by that logic

[long wharf]

the GM sharing their books is perfectly fine

there's nothing wrong with that

[patent mango]

biggest book fan or something

[long wharf]

if you never played in 3.5e groups with players that would scour 3rd party material for game breaking combinations of custom rules, then you truly don't understand the problem

[patent mango]

huh just say no

[brazen rampart]

I feel like 3.5e is cbt for the average player and 5e is baby's first adventure, so at this point, I only play homebrew stuff.

[long wharf]

3.5e wasn't cbt at all

[modest patrol]

People can do that with any edition 🤣
The DM is the DM, just tell them no

[brazen rampart]

The core of the homebrew stuff my group uses is 5e but we bring in stuff from 3.5e that is cool, like certain monsters and classes.

[long wharf]

I intensely dislike 5e

[brazen rampart]

Then we tweak that 3.5e stuff around to be more balanced.

Like there's one monster my brother showed me once that straight up steals your fucking bones on a constitution save failure.

Like. What?

How is that fair? It's a DC 16?

[long wharf]

converting material between systems is a time honored tradition

I prefer more actual table-top tactical play

I like moving figures on a grid and rolling dice

[brazen rampart]

Oh and we also find stat blocks and whatnot of fun creatures.

[long wharf]

role playing is fun, but it's not what I enjoy most about table top play

[brazen rampart]

My players are going to be in for a treat for their first boss fight.

(It's the mf Balrog)

But anyway, I dislike both systems, and I feel the best way to experience dnd is to combine the good parts of both and throw away the bad.

[long wharf]

I backed the Alien RPG and have yet to ever play it

also backed the Bladerunner RPG, same deal

[modest patrol]

Having fun with the game, as intended

[long wharf]

how do you dislike both 3.5e and 5e?

what kind of game do you actually want to play?

[brazen rampart]

3.5e had mechanics of certain creatures that were far too punishing. See the bone stealer monster thing I mentioned earlier for reference. 5e was too simplified, babyfied, even, so that there wasn't really any challenge in doing anything.

Plus, in 5e, it was too easy to get a stacked character.

[modest patrol]

“Make a check for use magic item”
“Intuit rope”

[brazen rampart]

I can make a warlock that can keep you perpetually feared with smites, dealing some 50 damage a swing, with a normal longsword, by level 7.

Source? Happened to me in pvp.

Mfw his spell save DC was 19:

[long wharf]

so you're comparing a single monster to an entire system?

that doesn't even make sense

you can always just adjust DCs as necessary

[brazen rampart]

I'm mentioning it as one of the many mechanics I didn't like.

[long wharf]

that's not a mechanic, just a DC you don't like

what actual mechanics in 3.5e don't you like?

[brazen rampart]

No, it's a mechanic of the creature, because regardless of the DC, if you fail it, you lose your fucking bones.

[long wharf]

so what?

is that better or worse than instant death on failing a DC?

again - not a system mechanic

having DCs is a system mechanic

[upper galleon]

tbf, 5e isn't made for pvp explicitly

[brazen rampart]

I think you are missing the point of what I'm saying.

[upper galleon]

or any edition for that matter

[long wharf]

no, you're missing the point of what I'm saying

[brazen rampart]

There are many things that straight up result in rolling a new character as a better alternative to continuing to play the one you have.

[long wharf]

there's a big difference between system mechanics and a particular monster mechanic

you can avoid using a monster

[brazen rampart]

Hmm, the system designed to use a specific set of monsters... I wonder why I could dislike that?

🤔

[long wharf]

but feeling like you need to avoid a core system mechanic is a valid reason to avoid the game system entirely

ok I get it, you don't want to actually engage intelligently with what I'm saying, so I'll stop now

[modest patrol]

The real question here— why tf does it bother you so much if Frog & friends combine bits and pieces of 3.5 and 5e to suit the way they play?

[upper galleon]

🍿

[long wharf]

it doesn't bother me

[modest patrol]

Like it’s not harming you at all

[brazen rampart]

Hes just mad I don't like 3.5 lmao.

[long wharf]

3.5e and 5e exist on a known spectrum of system complexity

[brazen rampart]

This is normal behavior of 3.5 elitists.

[upper galleon]

i think it's more of a question of why those specific parts

[brazen rampart]

You find em everywhere.

[long wharf]

so for someone to say "I hate 3.5e and 5e", it begs the question "just what do you like, then"

to say you hate 3.5e because of a monster is, frankly, stupid

[brazen rampart]

What I like is the homebrew I cook up. Glad that helps.

[upper galleon]

and also, 3.5e is an objective master piece, hence why the biggest branch off is pathfinder which was based on the 3e/3.5e era

[long wharf]

to say you hate 5e because it's far too simplistic is ifine

[fiery stratus]

Psyker chat new zealot chat confirmed

https://tenor.com/view/embed-no-no-embed-megamind-megamind-meme-gif-25261934

[brazen rampart]

They lobotomized zealout chat or I'd be talking there instead.

[long wharf]

and yeah, 3.5e had flaws but it was vastly superior to everything before it

[brazen rampart]

I feel like the freak-ness of this channel is rubbing off on me.

[long wharf]

and PF1 was the spiritual successor to 3.5e

[modest patrol]

Meanwhile 3.5 is a known meme
All that needs to be said: cleric

[long wharf]

I played more PF1 than 3.5e

not a big fan of the system changes in PF2

[upper galleon]

I really think you should look into d100 systems, that have more "varied" results, or a lower die system like 2d6.

[last shore]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-alert-bumper-adam-devine-pitch-perfect-lame-gif-17474980

[long wharf]

I've been playing TT systems since AD&D, 2e

[fiery stratus]

@strong gulch Big stinky killfeed

[long wharf]

one of my favorite systems of all time doesn't exist any more, Rifts

[modest patrol]

I meeeean

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/godfather-family-guy-i-did-not-care-conversation-gif-19568330

[patent mango]

barotrauma gameplay

[upper galleon]

no just 3.5e conversation

[strong gulch]

Tasty

[upper galleon]

dc 16 saving throw and it sucks out your bones 😔

shouldn't have dumped con

[south spear]

My only take for 3.5e is this:

old

[modest patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/new-girl-max-greenfield-winston-schmidt-disappointed-mad-gif-4422952

[upper galleon]

yea the books i read as a kid were my mother's

[long wharf]

never dump con

[south spear]

https://tenor.com/view/now-old-man-the-future-is-now-old-man-gif-9677657

[upper galleon]

i dump con if it would be funny, but i'm never one for trying to "meta" my characters

[languid furnace]

I would respond to this but I can’t pass my Use Magic Item check 😭😭😭

[modest patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/where-is-my-free-coffee-gif-25537785

[upper galleon]

sometimes i stumble upon something busted, but it's fun to lose, it's fun to have roleplay oppurtunity.

[long wharf]

the biggest flaw with 3.5e was that there quickly came a point where you simply couldn't pass DC checks if you didn't maximize your related saves/skills

PF1 suffers the same problem

[south spear]

Not gonna use a system older than me what do you take me for? A senior citizen?

[long wharf]

certainly not someone with any sense of style or class

[upper galleon]

3.5e was 2003, please say you are talking about 3e at least

or ADnD or 2e

[south spear]

I have plenty of that, sorry you had to get bingo to pass a check

I was born in 2005

Dawg

[upper galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/santa-santaclaus-tim-allen-gif-9523676

[south spear]

You can be an adult and be younger than 3.5

[upper galleon]

I HATE IT

[languid furnace]

Same 🤣🤣🤣

[long wharf]

you can also like things older than yourself

[south spear]

I know

[upper galleon]

it's like me remembering my younger sister is in college now

[languid furnace]

3.5 sucks and I say that as someone who grew up with it

[south spear]

This is for the most part a joke answer

[modest patrol]

Me waiting for my bf to comment that he likes me

[long wharf]

if you don't like it, that's fine

[languid furnace]

I have one word: cleric

[south spear]

Because I don’t know jackshit about 3.5

[languid furnace]

Every martial class was useless

[south spear]

I’m just here to call yall old

[upper galleon]

3.5e doesn't suck it just got solved and people ended up making homebrew

[languid furnace]

Oh, here’s another one: divine meta magic

[long wharf]

and there's nothing wrong with homebrew

ultimate power minmax involved divine and arcane magic comboing

[upper galleon]

if it sucked, ther ewouldn't have been as much backlash from 4e launch, and pathfinder 1stE wouldn't have popped off

[languid furnace]

Uh yeah

[languid furnace]

My point exactly

[long wharf]

if you ever played with extended levels, it got downright silly

[upper galleon]

i mean that's only a problem in metagaming/high combat+high risk tables

oh yea the 21-40 levels, my first experience was the neverwinter nights 1 expansions

[long wharf]

the simple fact is that 3.5e was easily the most popular and successful table top RPG system ever made

oh man, I loved NWN1

[languid furnace]

You’re right, I’m being hyperbolic, it doesn’t suck-it’s still my favorite system tbh. But you can’t deny that it had issues, it’s a clunky system, the fact that even the people who made it went on to change it further with pathfinder is telling

[upper galleon]

i think 5e just beats it out in the accessibility and simplicity (compared to 3.5e)

[south spear]

By the sounds of it:

It was a flawed system that needed to be innovated and redesigned. That it wasn’t designed to be perfect but was good for it’s time.

[languid furnace]

Citation needed

Also popular doesn’t mean good

[long wharf]

I hate 5e exactly for its "accessibility"

[fair spruce]

sufferin from smiteccess

[languid furnace]

The Chevy Vega was popular

[upper galleon]

popular generally means good in the ttrpg sphere

[long wharf]

certainly not to you, but that's irrelevant to what I stated

[upper galleon]

and i'm not going to pretend it doesn't

[south spear]

How does accessibility make something not good?

[languid furnace]

The Chevette was popular

[upper galleon]

being able to be enjoyed and played and interesting people is important

[long wharf]

success measured by number of players and money made is easily done

[languid furnace]

Exactly

[upper galleon]

good thing ttrpgs aren't cars

[languid furnace]

Its a comparison homie

[sweet veldt]

whats the traits (or build in general) for force greatsword?

[languid furnace]

Popular doesn’t mean good

[upper galleon]

your comparison is bad homedog

[long wharf]

"popular" is a relative measure of the number of people enjoying it

[fair spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/ryan-reynolds-why-ryan-reynolds-gif-5281849

[modest patrol]

Because now playing d&d isn’t a super elite club

[long wharf]

"good" is your personal opinion, which is grossly overshadowed by the opposite opinion of all the people that enjoy(ed) 3.5e

[languid furnace]

How are you going to possibly quantify that you fucknut?

[strong gulch]

Anyone want a radom build?

[modest patrol]

More people are getting into the hobby

[languid furnace]

Again, citation needed

[south spear]

I know that’s a good thing, someone said they hated that it is now so accessible

[sweet veldt]

whats wrong with a game being accessable]

[languid furnace]

I’m reasonably sure D&D is more popular now than ever, 3.5 was a niche system at best

[south spear]

It’s supposed to be a fun game to play not some nerd version of a country club

[upper galleon]

there are ttrpgs that are complex and also good, but a massive hurdle for ttrpg groups is interest and popularity, which 3.5e and 5e both succeeded at

[sweet veldt]

especially for a friend-based game like d&d

[long wharf]

wrong - I hate 5e not because it's attracting more people but because it drops the more tactical and technical aspects of TT gaming to do so

[upper galleon]

not necessarily, this is def gonna be turned around and say citation needed

[sweet veldt]

its not meant to be the most technical ttrpg

its literally the most basic bitch roleplay ttrpg

[languid furnace]

Nothing. But neckbeards act like it is because they want the community to be their super special club for edgy cool kids (no girls allowed)

[sweet veldt]

its meant to be the first experience

[long wharf]

which is why I hate it, thanks

[languid furnace]

That’s fair

[modest patrol]

But that’s bad to this type of person, that’s the thing. To you, me, reasonable types— that’s not a bad thing

[long wharf]

more people getting into the hobby is a good thing

[south spear]

It’s also more popular because of pop culture and that it’s a good way to make friend groups in school and such (ran a d&d club in high school)

[long wharf]

I don't have to like what other people like

[sweet veldt]

would you rather have a dying hobby or an easy, popular hobby

[strong gulch]

Part of DnD's (and video games tbh) is elitist and that mindset still persists.

So some are averse to changed.

[upper galleon]

idk anyone who plays print official only outside of official events (which are fun asf btw)

[long wharf]

you guys seem to be entirely incapable of understanding a nuanced opinion

and position

[languid furnace]

Whatever, I quite frankly have no interest in arguing about which system of D&D is best

[sweet veldt]

anyways whats the good perks for greatsword