psyker-class

[autumn lark]

Nope the og was deal full damage then 90% then it went to 50%

[dense flume]

What I didn't know when I did it, was that using two shields immediately stack the buff?

Or that's what the ogryn helping me said, anyways

[marble crater]

Yes it stacks

Clad would never lie about that

[broken carbon]

he would lie about his skill though

[broken carbon]

yes

stacking 2 shields with speed stim

makes BB charge in probably half a second

[jovial juniper]

Yup, found about it when the wall psyker was zooming around in CIVI

Dude dropped two shields then dropped every other elite in a split second

[thorn cedar]

sadly you cant shorten the 0.2s crunch time on the cast finishing

[broken carbon]

psyker got buffed in all the boring ways

i wanted psyker to get cool buffs like

KF having 3 charges

and smite being replaced by molten beam

[last shore]

Started this game with smite psyker, branched out and will never go back to smite

[patent mango]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721520171365171284/1311019478313861191/caption.gif

[worn heron]

I want a mod that changes the sound of the force sword charged slash to the LoZ 1 full hp sword bolt OR

Hawk tuah

[patent mango]

smite will be good when charged strike buff 🙏

[jovial juniper]

Smite will be good when pots fixed

[quartz barn]

Shouldnt be too hard, simply find the name of the sound effect and replace the file

[upper sun]

playing ghostwire

its comfy

[patent mango]

trappers are so powerful they're trying to trick me into "verifying files" the second i open the launcher

[jovial juniper]

Ghostwire is good yeah

Specially the upside down rain

With the kanji for rain iirc

Or the souls parade

Just don't get too close

Hyyaki Yako or something

[edgy heart]

https://tenor.com/view/hawk-tuah-hawktuah-spit-spitting-spits-gif-18030673182659224111

this is glorius

[patent mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/896565062712578051/1125518702876565636/guh.gif

[vagrant onyx]

I can't decide what I want to take on fgs

[patent mango]

i forgot to patch mods help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[vagrant onyx]

I use SG DD like everyone else, I just can't find a blessing set im satisfied with

[thorn cedar]

im pretty locked into shred + unstable

[vagrant onyx]

Shred over riposte?

[radiant frigate]

shred

[thorn cedar]

yea

[radiant frigate]

to each their own

i fink it's a garbage blessing

[thorn cedar]

with the mk8 the two sweep lights clip through a surprising amount of fodder so riposte ends up with low uptime since they stagger

and otherwise maintaining uptime is as easy as just hitting shit

[patent mango]

shred + riposte

[thorn cedar]

id also say it comes down to how much youre using the actual sword

if youre mostly doing staff psyker shit and only bust it out on occasion then probably id go back to riposte since the presumption is that it's only coming out when you need to make space in melee before you swap back

[quartz barn]

Fgs meleeker

[thorn cedar]

tbh i would not bother with the FGS unless you're 100% committed to it lol

standard force swords especially Deimos are so much better as a supporting tool for a staff psyker

[quartz barn]

Oh i meant you exclusively use fgs

[thorn cedar]

ye

i mean theyre fun as fuck so w/e

but i lurk twitch a lot, and i see lots of peeps playing staffker and use a FGS as secondary, and the results are pretty tepid

[last shore]

Depends on the build

[thorn cedar]

the dodges are shit, first and foremost, but mostly the special is wasted cause it doesnt come out enough

[last shore]

I run assail electro FGS DD build that just destroys pretty much everything, has great sustain when you weave assail with either staff or FGS (situational obviously), etc

[thorn cedar]

yea EKS makes sense since it isnt an AoE staff

[last shore]

Yeah I weave assail with melee in trash hordes

[fringe garden]

I've been doing Voidblast/Smite/FGS with DD. Build peril with void/smite then quell it away with crack of bone. It's a really enjoyable play style that weaves high melee damage potential in between heavy CC. Really enjoy it. Feels great in Auric damnation and maelstrom

[quartz barn]

I initially had purg fgs as my main loadout for havoc, but ye the lack of mobility hurts

But if you combine fgs with the speedboosts from scriers and dd its nice

[fringe garden]

If you take the extra dodge talent it makes up for a lot

[quartz barn]

Not really

I dodge all the time anyway for movement and running out of dodges is already rare

Its all about the sprint speed

[patent mango]

anticipation is in too bad of a spot

[quartz barn]

And dodge slide range

[fringe garden]

I really like having the extra dodge while holding smite or spamming blast, too

[patent mango]

unlocked and loaded freed me from the evil ranged node......................

[fringe garden]

You don't like ranged damage?

[patent mango]

no i stab people

[quartz barn]

Crit

[fringe garden]

I ended most of my matches with nearly equal melee and ranged

[patent mango]

most of my ranged dmg is just the wave usually

it counts as ranged in the scoreboard

[quartz barn]

Thats usually bad

Because melee tends to do a lot less

[patent mango]

tho i did do half melee half ranged when i used trauma staff

[fringe garden]

I also carry most of my matches, so I don't feel too bad about that

[quartz barn]

Its more about dmg potential

Staffs are mostly aoe, so will naturally outdamage

[plucky flax]

Must be nice to be gud at game

[quartz barn]

But with certain diffs there simply isnt anything left

[fringe garden]

I care more about controlling the flow of the entire battle and killing key targets than I do maximizing how much damage I deal. Also FGS with DD and extra cleave is a hell of an aoe damage dealer, so..

[quartz barn]

No i mean that staff's dps is higher and takes pressure off of teammates faster

Meanwhile melee is better single target depending on the mark to clear eg a crusher within seconds

[analog agate]

Nice psyker chat back to normal

[marble crater]

Don't jinx it

[deft stump]

So anyway... Yuri gud. When FemJudge x FemLoner?

Flees.

[brazen rampart]

Weren't you the one that popped into zealout chat earlier and said you "regretted everything"?

🤔

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/stalker-chernobyl-chornobyl-pripyat-prypiat-gif-4739931847719887227

[deft stump]

Oh it was exactly at that moment. I didn't read further than the bunch of stuff before.

Also, I think everyone knows by now I enjoy yuri/lesbian crackships.

[dim parrot]

did u give him the pda?

[autumn lark]

yessir

glory to ward

there really needs to be a 5th ending where the commander takes ward and splits off of the insitute

[analog agate]

I’m becoming more and more a fan of mk8 fgs play. A ton of fun

[patent mango]

i keep forgetting to try mk8 in a match

imma go do that

[marble crater]

Stamina has to be 410 for actual +3 yeah?

[autumn lark]

I think thats a true stamina curio

@stark crown can you confirm

[deft stump]

Yep.

Anything below is basically fakes. You can get and and check if you want.

[marble crater]

Scammed once again

[main jolt]

what perks would you put on that curio, i got a +3 stam but dunno if i got good perks on it rn

[marble crater]

I just use health, toughness and I can't really decide for the last. Gunner resistance, combat ability cooldown or maybe I will try stamina efficiency

[main jolt]

i got combat ability cooldown, toughness regen speed and 5% toughness

[deft stump]

Or more toughness.

Regen speed isn't good.

[main jolt]

what should i put instead

[deft stump]

Only works for coherency regen.

[main jolt]

some kind of resistance?

[deft stump]

Gunner, if you want to go that way.

[marble crater]

Can never go wrong with more health

[patent mango]

new patch broke my hecking inventory sort mod

[deft stump]

Could meme more stam regen or efficieny.

[patent mango]

its so hecking over its so over

[deft stump]

Or just HP so you might come out with 2 HP and panic mode till next medicae.

[main jolt]

got a 20% health curio already

[deft stump]

21% max.

[main jolt]

damnit

[patent mango]

oh

it got updated already

[icy breach]

Gunner res is quite useless tho

[patent mango]

we're so hecking back so back!!!!!!!!

[stark crown]

410+ are true ones

[main jolt]

think i'll put stamina regen

[autumn lark]

Gawd damn

[stark crown]

Anything other is a lying

[autumn lark]

I think i have a 410 stamina today

[strong gulch]

I put gunner resist on my trauma build because I end up being a bullet sponge on that build. skill issue things.

Otherwise I usually go CDR, health, and toughness with 1 siper resist.

[patent mango]

stamina regen is bad on psyker

psykuh got low regen cd so idk if its worth

[deft stump]

It's the only one with even a silver of value other than bombers. But anything else is better than resist.

[marble crater]

Bomber resistance

[strong gulch]

Yeah, with sprint slide, pyker stays in positive stam. So regend is poop on psyker.

[icy breach]

Gunner dmg is not tied to the model itself; dmg resist fir gunners gives you resistance to its melee attacks only

[stark crown]

Sprint Eff or Block eff is generally better instead of stam regen

[main jolt]

sprint efficiency?

[stark crown]

Veteran suffers the same issue

[patent mango]

probably better yea

[deft stump]

So it's even worse than it is. Lmao.

[icy breach]

Sniper resist for example; the shot is tied to the model so it works

[prime elk]

Citation needed

[icy breach]

Yeah its dogwater

[marble crater]

That can't be right, no way

[prime elk]

It def isn't lmao

[main jolt]

just need the diamantine for it now, got 16 of it atm

[stark crown]

It’s not

[prime elk]

I've seen people test gunner resist

[patent mango]

new misinformation dropped

[icy breach]

Im on a phone; fat thumbs

[patent mango]

its over lmao

[prime elk]

Dudes trolling

[stark crown]

It increases the barrage length to break toughness by about .8 seconds

Doesn’t seem like a lot

[autumn lark]

Do not get block effeciency or sprint eff unironically

[stark crown]

But it’s extremely helpful

[strong gulch]

Maybe ment bomber and not gunner

[main jolt]

been getting some real dooky teamates tonight

[patent mango]

happens

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-laughing-don't-laugh-don'tlaugh-ishowspeed-laughing-gif-15284676702826611657

I have genuinely no words

[patent mango]

those are words

[deft stump]

Is why I mention meme. It's just funny tank stuff without much peril lul thing.

[stark crown]

Veteran is probably the rare class that can get away with Sprint Eff cause of our disgusting long 50% increased delay

[autumn lark]

I havent played vet in a hot minute gale

[icy breach]

Even if it is; the individual bullet does very little dmg and dmg resist is % with dimminishing returns

[autumn lark]

Im waiting for the new weapon drop

[icy breach]

You basically get very little

Its not worth putting

[stark crown]

You will notice the delay it’s better to just have more stamina to use overall instead of having it come back cause that downtime is very noticeable

[patent mango]

met another min height psyker

lmao

[stark crown]

Manlet psyker

[autumn lark]

Coping for powerfist so hard

[patent mango]

vets getting a greatshovel

it'll be the biggest weapon in the game

[deft stump]

FOLDING??

[patent mango]

it'll fold the heretics

[stark crown]

We need a melee that’s just a good neutral tool at this point cause I’m getting incredibly tired of the Quad pick your poison melees

[autumn lark]

Unironically either powersword or dueling sword

Shovel on ocasion

[strong gulch]

I have level 12 vet (I know talents make it better) but the dude can't even walk. It's like he never heard of breathing. I am deconditioned and walk with a cane and I do better.

My vet feels so laughable bad. Psyker spoiled me.

[deft stump]

Quad? I thought it's powersword, combat axe or Dueling Sword.

[stark crown]

4.5

[patent mango]

either get bored of activating psword every 3s or bored of heavy attack spam on ds

[icy breach]

One guy said it; still as i said, the dmg reduction in practice is minimal

[marble crater]

Why is the poor dude 12?

[stark crown]

Power Sword, Dueling Sword, Combat Axe, Knife, (shovel if built correctly hence .5)

[patent mango]

shovel isnt a real weapon

modded only

[deft stump]

Same reason my Oggy is 8, I guess.

[strong gulch]

Because I wanted to check a thing. I don't even remember what. I made people drag me through multiple auric damns too. lmao

[icy breach]

Free lvs is free lvs

[stark crown]

Yeah it sucks you can’t combat that massive stamina issue till around 25+ cause of the late trees giving you a .25 delay decrease on stamina

[deft stump]

Oh yeah, the knoife. I forgot I use it. Heh.

[stark crown]

Everything is is like

[patent mango]

the .25 stamina regen nodes are literally just doing cardio

[stark crown]

You’re actively building with it in mind

[strong gulch]

Thanks for the head up, because damn.

[stark crown]

Shovel, Heavy Sword-

[icy breach]

Heavy sword is good

[deft stump]

Problem, points. Not enough.

[stark crown]

That’s kinda about it

[patent mango]

heavy sword fell off

too much cara

[stark crown]

Shaul technically

[patent mango]

too slow

[stark crown]

Plasma And Bolter paired with Heavy works wonders

[fathom adder]

Vet spent too long with his Plasma Gun and his Rancho Relaxo and needs the exercise

[icy breach]

Lol it ain’t; its all about spacing

[plucky flax]

Standard vet shovel is cool

[stark crown]

It’s literally the best variant

[icy breach]

Green shovel is nice 2

[stark crown]

Both foldables are extremely on a preference and basis type ordeal

Mk7 foldable is if you want Mk1 and have the folding option

Mk3 is literally just crusher racism

[icy breach]

It has nice wide swings and the flip does not stuck you like the blue one does

[plucky flax]

Old decimator

[stark crown]

Decimator is the true gamblers playstyle

[autumn lark]

I want decimator and decapitator on relic blade so bad

[plucky flax]

The old decimator was really good. Stack to 5 only and can get multiple stacks per hit

[stark crown]

Oh yeah can’t really talk shit about the Krieg build anymore cause Helbore with Hotshot effects shovel

Effectively giving your shovel .5 hitmass ignore on Weakspot swings lmao

[plucky flax]

Pre patch 13

[icy breach]

Yeah… now its 10 and it will always count 1 no matter how many you hit + if you miss you lose them all

[plucky flax]

Yep super lame change

[stark crown]

I’m just saying, gambling

[icy breach]

The bonus is highier but the downsides are bad

[plucky flax]

It used to be very competitive against headtaker on combat axe. Now it's just always headtaker

[icy breach]

Just take headtaker/slaughterer if possible

Remind me tho; does shovel have skullcrusher?

[plucky flax]

Ye

But I prefer decimator uncanny

[icy breach]

Thats a nice option too then

For hordes

[stark crown]

Deci Uncanny with Hotshot Helbore is fucking disgusting if you can get over the swap speed

[icy breach]

Use the node at the top right on vet skill tree

It will help

[stark crown]

It does help just holy shit I’ll admit that’s a huge gate keeper of the build

[upper sun]

they gotta do some improvements to the pick shovels

the mode switch takes too long

[stark crown]

If you can’t adjust to its swap speed then it’s seriously not meant for you

[upper sun]

🙄

so tru its just me

[warped perch]

Clad why are you rolling your eyes

[upper sun]

pee sword and rashad being 90% of all vet melee usage is my fault too

[upper sun]

gale is saying something silly

[icy breach]

Its about spacing too; but helbore is not the best reactionary weapon

[warped perch]

[upper sun]

i hope u run out of mayo

[warped perch]

Why

[icy breach]

Touchy fish is touchy

[stark crown]

Hence if you’re looking for more shovel gameplay run hotshot cause of its blessing being global for some reason

Why? Idfk I’m not questioning it

I’ll take an excuse that buffs Shovel and Shaul

[icy breach]

Ayay; its ridiculous

[autumn lark]

Gale should i use empathic evasion

[stark crown]

Yes?…

[autumn lark]

Evade ranged on crit

[stark crown]

It’s

Literally ghost for existing

[autumn lark]

Have i been sleeping on it hard

[stark crown]

Cause of Psyker pumping out crits like crazy

[patent mango]

ee is one of the 3 survivability talents on psyker that are jolly

[icy breach]

Every psiker build uses that

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-laughing-don't-laugh-don'tlaugh-ishowspeed-laughing-gif-15284676702826611657

I am a dumbass

[stark crown]

Yam trying his hardest not to say

I’m not a psyker main

LMAO

[autumn lark]

I wanna get back into psyker

[icy breach]

[autumn lark]

I need to have some skill with the new slop set

[stark crown]

But yeah there’s a LOT of shit you can do to abuse the FUCK

Out of EE

[icy breach]

What slop

[stark crown]

Exactly

[stark crown]

What slop

Certified fucking banger

Dropping this Thursday

[autumn lark]

Does it work on trauma crits?

[stark crown]

Any Crit

Any

[icy breach]

The helmet is laughable tho

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-pog-fish-poggers-fish-pog-champ-poggers-gif-16548474

[icy breach]

Yup; any

[stark crown]

The helmet goes hard as hell

[icy breach]

To me it dies not fit

[stark crown]

I want more actual military shit cause sanctioned psykers would actually be armored

[patent mango]

guys i have a 4 wound psyker on my game i thought it was +2 wound talent zealot LOL

[icy breach]

Despite being a set piece

The coat is kino tho

[autumn lark]

Minitorum garbs are so cool

[stark crown]

6 wound psyker named poxburster

[autumn lark]

It doesnt have the long skirt tho which is ass

[stark crown]

That doesn’t bother me

[icy breach]

Use the talent that does not get you down when you overload

[stark crown]

I absolutely fuck with a full helm on psyker

[icy breach]

[fathom adder]

I am once again asking for Crystalline Will to get its own little branch to make Martyrdom Psyker real

[stark crown]

Yeah I had someone do that

[autumn lark]

Full helms are badass

Zealot has such a small amount of them

[upper sun]

do you name all your chars raven?

[patent mango]

wuh?

[autumn lark]

My ogryn is named odon

[fathom adder]

Fartshacked

[icy breach]

I read udon like the dish

[stark crown]

Give me a second

[icy breach]

Im hungry for nosh now

[snow kayak]

I have a question

[patent mango]

fr?

[snow kayak]

What is a good build for leveling up

[patent mango]

assail

[fathom adder]

Assail

[snow kayak]

[fathom adder]

It's stronger than any weapon you will have access to while leveling

[upper sun]

assail is better than most weapons unlevelled

[stark crown]

@autumn lark

[icy breach]

Anything that ain’t gonna make you die; basically; skill

[upper sun]

any relation to @teal fog

[patent mango]

ok well i played a bit of mk8 fgs

[stark crown]

Fucking split second react LMAO

[icy breach]

This is nice

[patent mango]

back to mk6

[stark crown]

No I just thought it was funny

[zinc phoenix]

being armored overheats the brain

[fathom adder]

He looks like a walrus

[patent mango]

real psykers dont wear armor silly

[autumn lark]

There are psi helmets

[zinc phoenix]

causes electrical fires IN MY INCOMPARABLE MIND

[icy breach]

Naked

[zinc phoenix]

instead the optimal solution to psyker armor is clearly to make deflector innate to force greatsword

[patent mango]

deflector innate to dclaw

[stark crown]

The closest mustache I could get sadly

[patent mango]

and by deflector i mean bullet reflect

[icy breach]

i read defector

[fathom adder]

Was making a joke about the song I Am The Walrus

[stark crown]

I renamed my Psyker to Auntie Sienna cause I’m on a VT2 binge lately lmao

[paper dust]

i have woken up

[stark crown]

Fair………

[paper dust]

and i one phrase to say

laser staff

[fathom adder]

PSYKER used PSYBEAM!
It's super effective!

[stark crown]

https://tenor.com/view/true-true-morgan-freeman-truth-spongebob-truth-nuke-gif-1296874394411357781

[icy breach]

Like beam staff from vt2?

[zinc phoenix]

ok but you have to parry the bullet

[autumn lark]

Psyker used molten beam

Maulerfiend melts into goop

[stark crown]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-daring-today-spongebob-spongebob-meme-daring-today-arent-we-gif-23808696

[icy breach]

Blue flame blade tho could be cool, dunno if lore accurate tho

[autumn lark]

It wouldnt

Tzeentch flames

[stark crown]

Shred Soulblaze is the closest you’ll get

Lmao

[last shore]

I actually did cleave damage I think, as dump stat for my inferno staff build.

[patent mango]

oh god its jagganoth from kill 6 billion demons

[paper dust]

prob

[icy breach]

I like beam weapons in games; could be good

[sudden willow]

NOPENOPENOPE

[jovial juniper]

Albin Jacki-

[marble crater]

This was close

[paper dust]

never read krill 6 billion demon before
but i do follow artist on twatter

how is it?

[worn heron]

Aint nobody name they kid jagganoth bruh

[patent mango]

peak

[upper sun]

you have a lights out addiction

[marble crater]

I do

[stark crown]

I swear they’d name the captain Beef Stroganoff and I wouldn’t even question it

[vagrant onyx]

If only unstable wasn't a force multiplier

[strong gulch]

The beginning looked cozy.

[mossy oyster]

@jovial juniper you know the battle meditation name

in buff icons mod

need 2 turn it on

[summer prairie]

does it have an icon

[jovial juniper]

I think

Psyker_chance_to_vent_on_kill

[summer prairie]

that's the template name but I don't see why it would have a hud icon

[mossy oyster]

yeah nothing pops up for chance to vent on kill

[upper sun]

🚬 second clutch i failed bros...

[marble crater]

It was just after an ogryn horde, so we had a little time to enjoy the view

[mossy oyster]

yeah after scrolling through battle meditation is non existent in buff huds icons

rip

oh well

[jovial juniper]

Not even
Psyker_2_base_2?

Hmmm guess that's different or something

[jovial juniper]

Oh well

[thorn cedar]

why would you need an icon tho

[marble crater]

Was about to ask the same

[strong gulch]

Nap time

[marble crater]

I did eat an overhead later in the mission and took one, yea

[stark crown]

Probably to avoid having Battle Med fuck you over during SG warp unbound

[marble crater]

But it's always active, if you pick it. You don't need buff icons for things that are always active, imo

[stark crown]

I think it’s to see if it procs during unbound

[thorn cedar]

you know it works when your peril drops 10 points

[stark crown]

Sometimes it happens when you’re trying to be risky with unbound and eat shit for it

Only had that happen once

[upper sun]

same can force sword push not stagger maulers?

[strong gulch]

Yeah BM works during WU.

Doesn't save you from the SG bug tho

[marble crater]

It can

[upper sun]

during overhead?

[marble crater]

Well, the push attack

[upper sun]

yeah but what about the push not the PA

[marble crater]

I don't think the push can

[upper sun]

😭

[strong gulch]

Apparently no.

There's a mauler there I swear,

[upper sun]

ye ate a mauler overhead today too

[strong gulch]

Just for you.

[stark crown]

Overheads bypass blocks tragically

[marble crater]

Our overheads should bypass Bulwark shields

[strong gulch]

Ye. But we were doing force sword push (not PA)

[stark crown]

I mean Ogryns can with Pickaxe pull and that’s literally it

Weeps

Outside of Blitz’s and hard stagger abilities obviously

Actually shit nvm any power weapon that causes an explosion aka Zealot

Or Ogryn again but who uses Paul (I do)

[cobalt musk]

there's a reason i prefer being an ogryn psyker, sah

materialize rations outta tha warp

[jovial juniper]

4 uppercuts to the bulwark shield

[strong gulch]

DS special can too. Lmao

Not the most proacticle thing but it's funny.

[jovial juniper]

Or just one uppercut mid animation

[stark crown]

Another tally of nerf this fucking melee for the love of god to the board

[patent mango]

ds is 1 buff away from beating up nurgle

[marble crater]

Giving DS to the other classes truly was a mistake

[jovial juniper]

Give it brutal momentum

https://tenor.com/view/skykerwhiteyo-gif-27272734

[stark crown]

DS was already busted overpowered giving it to everyone just made it even fucking worse LMAO

[prime elk]

Tbf

[radiant frigate]

now everyone can duel...

tragic

[prime elk]

It kinda flew under the radar before because psykers didn't know how to melee

So it was perfectly balanced

[stark crown]

90% of psykers don’t know how to melee this is a fact

[prime elk]

I'd say that figure is a lot lower now because of FGS

[granite mauve]

now it's too late

can't go back, ds must be nerfed

tired of having interesting interactions with armor only for the ds guy to come and poke it once

[patent mango]

join dt lobby
5 ds users

[stark crown]

5

[wispy bay]

5!?

[granite mauve]

so broken it spawned a 5th player

[stark crown]

I’m not even going to question it LMAO

[granite mauve]

nerf that shit rn

[patent mango]

8 weapon slots to equip 8 ds

[stark crown]

3 stack of DS users and I just prepare my bed to sleep cause that’s how interactive the match will be

Amazing bug Discord

[patent mango]

t

hey gotta fix the eep weapons

[dim parrot]

[patent mango]

like shield ds and psword

[stark crown]

Nerf activated and buff off cause the off mode exists to be a fucking joke

Does literally nothing

[patent mango]

lmao

[stark crown]

Hence why brainlets orbit power mode

Trust me I tried building an off PS

Literally the most miserable experience

[patent mango]

psword has just wayyy too much activating it

[stark crown]

In my entire life

[patent mango]

its so guh

[stark crown]

Off mode is so fucking shit compared to on that’s literally a huge reason why

[radiant frigate]

the forbidden unpower sword..

AKA Shitty Illisi™️

[stark crown]

Literally the most miserable experience ever

[steel flame]

Fingers crossed psword gets relic blade rework

[stark crown]

I want off to have a use desperately

Like desperately want it to have a use

[radiant frigate]

BUT it can do funny crusher oneshots!!

[patent mango]

i do want a power system for psword like relic

but i don wana it to be the same...

idk what they could do tbh

gotta reload the psword with new batteries 🔥

[radiant frigate]

psword wouldbe greatly improved if any minor stagger didn't immediately turn it off

[patent mango]

thats every activated wep tbh

[stark crown]

PS concept in current state is fine just they

[radiant frigate]

not relic blade 😤

[stark crown]

Really need to tweak on

And buff off

So you have reason to build for either or

[patent mango]

relic doesnt turn off? i feel itdoes on stagger like from a monstrosity

[radiant frigate]

relic turns off on yeet

[stark crown]

Any hard knock will turn it off

[radiant frigate]

but if like a rager bonks you, it keeps going

[patent mango]

ig its not as bad then

[radiant frigate]

whereas psword just fucking dies

[patent mango]

psword rework 🔥

[stark crown]

If you get hit by like a BON tail whip it will turn itself off

[radiant frigate]

sword is off so rager won't be stopped
rager won't be stopped so sword won't turn on
VoC or die tbh

[patent mango]

does vet even have other abilities

[radiant frigate]

ever since the rager attack speed buff they've been a nightmare for psword

[radiant frigate]

sometimes stealth

[patent mango]

i wish vet would have smth new instead of stealth 2 tbh

[radiant frigate]

and vet stealth is like

shittier voc

[last shore]

I’ve been enjoying psword 🤷‍♂️

[patent mango]

vet right side is so bad

[radiant frigate]

for combat purposes

[patent mango]

both smoke nades and stealth are so lame

[radiant frigate]

weapon spec is baller though

[steel flame]

Glad you accept it how it is, doesn't mean it's any good

[patent mango]

yea

weapon spec doesnt even fit the stealth vibe

[last shore]

It’s good for me 🤷‍♂️

[radiant frigate]

but smokes are just.. why bother

[steel flame]

Don't be part of the problem

[radiant frigate]

i mean, kinda yes kinda no

[patent mango]

psword is just extremely repetitive so i don wana use it

[stark crown]

Infiltrate and Exec Stance are good it’s just VOC is so fucking weighted it’s basically massively punching up

[last shore]

All weapons are

[patent mango]

thank god that isnt true i'd be so sad

[radiant frigate]

sneak up behind a heretic, slit his throat and then dome another one with a revolver quickdraw

i think it ok

[stark crown]

Smokes are really fucking good it’s just it’s not damage thus it’s instantly viewed as bad

[patent mango]

smokes barely do anything

[buoyant maple]

Exe boltgun

[radiant frigate]

smokes fill a niche that is entirely unnecessary outside of havoc

[patent mango]

replace smokes with hecking uhhhh emergency energy rations

[steel flame]

If you could kill stuff with knife without losing stealth and having it extend stealth it would be way more fun to play assassin

[patent mango]

take a sip and go crazy

(highly addictive)

[prime elk]

Kinda like bubble tbh

[stark crown]

It’s a very good fill in for bubble

[radiant frigate]

except bubble doesn't share a slot with boss stagger/ogryn deletion device

[stark crown]

That and it also flushes enemies out of areas mainly shooters cause you don’t want to toss smokes on melee

[radiant frigate]

but yes

[steel flame]

Also fuck enemies immediately turning 180 the second you uncloak that shit is bs

[prime elk]

The fact that smoke isn't taking up an ult slot makes it better in my eyes tbh lol

[stark crown]

Grenade tinkerer makes Smoke last 7.5 seconds longer than Dome as a little fun fact

It’s why I think smoke is a good fill in

[steel flame]

Hopefully they make smoke actually work on enemies inside the smoke

Love getting shot by stuff while standing on smoke cloud

[wispy bay]

I just tried smyker after a long time, it feels so much weaker than I remember.

[lone wing]

small fgs can't hurt you, it doesn't exist
small fgs:

[steel flame]

Im convinced they stealth nerfed it somehow, it's not just you

[patent mango]

it wasnt just me??

i thought a mod bugged it

[lone wing]

no that's base game now

also speaking of mods

numeric ui is fucked

[patent mango]

https://youtu.be/sBcBIpYxJvk

[patent mango]

how so

[lone wing]

i can't monitor my team's ammo anymore

[lone wing]

doesn't work for me

already updated

[patent mango]

still shows me my dodges

[steel flame]

Worked for me this morning

[patent mango]

and the ult cd

i didnt check ammo onteammates tho

[steel flame]

I can still see ammo

[wispy bay]

It was the last time I used smite until today.

[lone wing]

you might be updated

[stark crown]

No the hotfix broke the game

It’s why it’s like that

[steel flame]

Ep smite used to melt hordes but it just can't do it anymore

[patent mango]

r u in havoc

[stark crown]

Had Ainz clarify it when I played VT2 with him and Cole last night

So it’s just DT being DT basically

[wispy bay]

I was doing auric mael.

[lone wing]

OH I DIDN'T FUCKING DEPLOY MY MODS AGAIN THROUGH VORTEX

NO WONDER

[wispy bay]

Barely able to kill trash mobs.

[patent mango]

vortex actually works?

[prime elk]

Typical fatshart. Can't even make a hotfix without breaking something

[steel flame]

Also it's been really annoying lately, fgs warp slash stagger only works half the time right now

[lone wing]

yes

[proper osprey]

You guys uses vortex?

[steel flame]

No

[patent mango]

no my experience with it was miserable

[lone wing]

i can't be asked to manually install mods after playing payday 2

[blissful solar]

vortex works great

[lone wing]

if you suck it won't work

[blissful solar]

i use the auto mod loading and ordering mod so maybe that helps it work way better?

[patent mango]

thankfully manual takes like 3s to add anything

[lone wing]

i should do a vortex mod installion guide

[patent mango]

among us

[steel flame]

Just manually install, you just drop mods in the folder and edit the load order.txt, don't use vortex unless you are modding stuff like Bethesda games or CD project games, trust me it will save you much pain

[lone wing]

[patent mango]

even on skyrim vortex didnt work

r2modman works just fine then i try vortex and its copium

[lone wing]

vortex you have to change certain settings
and make sure it's using the right folders

which takes 3 seconds

it auto updates mods which is why i use it

[blissful solar]

idk how yall having issues with vortex

[steel flame]

Vortex tries to hard to automate everything and it has a bad habit of screwing stuff up because of that

[lone wing]

cant be asked to manually check if a mod needs an update

[lone wing]

eh not really

i have yet to have an issue with it

i use it for cyberpunk, fallout 4 and dt no issue

[cobalt musk]

im about to mf pay someone on fivr to do the cliffhanger penance for me fr

😭

[patent mango]

that'd be a first

probably

[jovial juniper]

[patent mango]

🈷️

[cobalt musk]

even the private mission penances are easier 😭

[blissful solar]

moon

[patent mango]

rain worl

[radiant frigate]

a magus

[patent mango]

no way

[buoyant maple]

Vigil station end event

Clandestium gloriana starting section

[cobalt musk]

guess im just gonna grind those missions only until i get it

[buoyant maple]

Shriek’s stagger value scales based on peril

Smite releases strong stagger when u let go

[steel flame]

Been using vortex since it replaced nexus mm, and Nexus mm long before that. Vortex works well for some stuff but it is not reliable for many games, especially games where the community doesn't unify the paths for their mod uploads

[lone wing]

servers are so fucked

[patent mango]

fun fact: every time the servers lag it means some incense ran out

[cobalt musk]

venting shriek also seems weaker from last i played like a year ago or is that just me

[prime elk]

Just you

[patent mango]

its still crazy good

[wispy bay]

Venting is the strongest at the moment.

[cobalt musk]

weaker range-wise i mean, idk; and yeah it's still very good i fw it

[wispy bay]

In term of making damage

[cobalt musk]

i use it often but maybe just have bad luck w/ horde rng to get them angled to fly off a bridge

[wispy bay]

If you want to get that penance, just use FGS and a one or two +3 stam, pick a high intensity mission on a good map and spam force push.

You can push stagged enemies over again.

[vagrant onyx]

I guessy out to like 28m

[strong gulch]

From @lethal lagoon

Shriek range

[torpid bough]

why does the fgs feel amazing 99% of the time but then sometimes it feels like i have -8 dodge even though i have full dodges

its gotten me killed too many times and idk why it feels super sluggish sometimes for no reason

its like once you get a certain attack speed it eats ur inputs

[stark crown]

You’re running DD SG obviously but are you also running mettle

[torpid bough]

probably idk

i don't memorize the names of the nodes, just the effects

[patent mango]

dd sg mettle makes movement inconsistent

tho it shouldnt affect dodges much idk

[tardy imp]

Does anyone have a build for psyker with that electric staff

I wanna be like palpatine with that stupid ass lightning

[strong gulch]

There's a speed boost right after some animations that you might be used to but miss sometimes. I forget the details. @celest valve was digging into some time ago.

[strong gulch]

Are you trying to main smite (blitz) or the staff?

[stark crown]

I think it’s the speed boost that and you really only have 4 effective dodges

[tardy imp]

The staff

[strong gulch]

Surge/ electro staff rmb build that has smite as an oh shit moment option. #psyker-class message

[patent mango]

take shock maul for extra funny

(not that the shock stick is really any good on psyker imo)

[celest valve]

hi yes there's basically a 'movement curve' each attack has. This movement curve is also not consistent along a combo, and I recall tends to slow down as you get further into the chain.

[marble crater]

Truly a masterpiece of our time

[celest valve]

you get really floaty attacks followed by sluggish powerful attacks or something

[stark crown]

That’s… extremely interesting learning this

[wispy bay]

Shock maul heavy is a head bonking machine.

[patent mango]

i dont think i've seen any1 evne use shock maul inn the last month

[cobalt musk]

big psyker brain energy

[wispy bay]

I use it with zealot.

[stark crown]

You’ll at most see the rare Helbore vet use it

Hotshot makes it more playable

[patent mango]

fr?

mayb it needs a buff or smth lmao

[strong gulch]

Huge brain

[wispy bay]

Helbore vet will always run shovel, because they are all Krieg wankers.

[celest valve]

i think like every weapon in the game has it, FGS and newer melee weapons in general are just, well... better designed lol

hey, you want to scream in rage if you have trouble with FGS special and being knocked out of it? lol thunderhammer

[tardy imp]

Thanks

[wispy bay]

Shock maul heavy feels very quick for some reason.

[thorn pond]

its great for quick stagger with the middle attack and the folow up atacks after that are pretty quick

[celest valve]

Heavies tend to have two parts to their delay. Part 1 is the windup, this is NOT affected by attack speed and varies between like... 0.3s and 0.8s(or maybe more). Part 2 is the actual swing, which hits at a certain period between like 0.1s and 0.3s(usually pretty fast).

Then all actions have a minimum time(even if it's 0 seconds) before you can cancel into another action. The dueling sword is particularly fast on cancel times, you can frequently blockcancel/cancel with other things after the attack swing animation but before the damage actually connects.

[stark crown]

Actually no this clarifies a few things cause this is someone who abuses knife movement to the extreme

Hell shovel has a really dumb and useless movement tech

Where your speed goes from 5.5 which is standard sprint to 7

When you swap to shovel

[celest valve]

yeah so knife, one of the reasons why it's so fast is that it has ludicrous movement speed modifiers

[patent mango]

i actually cant use knoife

im too used to big range

[celest valve]

the well known heavy windup has like up to a 1.6x movement speed modifier during it

[cobalt musk]

knife is baller for zealot but S tier difficult w/ vet but so fun with vet along with a pistol combo & invis just like zealot

slaanesh would be proud at the enjoyable pain of it

[celest valve]

the movement speed modifier gives it, weirdly, some of the best 'range' in the game. It's like a lunge. The knife lets you be further away when starting an attack while still connecting with it.

[patent mango]

thats true true

[celest valve]

Which is also basically a thing for every weapon in the game. It's like... a core darktide mechanic to dash backwards out of an attack, then lunge forward with a heavy.

[patent mango]

i have fgs brain rot by this point

[cobalt musk]

fgs is nice after switching from the dueling sword

[patent mango]

fgs is just pickaxe again where i forget other weapon choices exist

[thorn pond]

I guess its better than the knife and Duelist sword meta that i see in 90% of my games.

[patent mango]

this keeps happening

[patent mango]

lmao thats true

most games i play have 2-3 ds

never 4 cause of me being there but yeah

[cobalt musk]

fgs feels more psykerish too so there's that

[thorn pond]

Also reduces the change of you going ahead of the team using the movement tech and aggroing stuff

just wish they gave my deimos force sword more love

[patent mango]

that doesnt really happen in havoc

[celest valve]

yeah, psykers are like "fuck the rules i'm spechul"

[patent mango]

deimos is so good tho

[celest valve]

literally longest range in the game lol

[thorn pond]

nah it does

[celest valve]

make ogryns cry

[patent mango]

it do?

[cobalt musk]

yeah it's baller being able to just warp blast snipers across the map quicker than the veteran

[patent mango]

im ok with them buffing pickaxe more if anything

[thorn pond]

mostly only with zealots or veterans since some of they believe that going stealth makes the enemies dissapear

[patent mango]

it still has terrible push timings

cant do it fast enough

[celest valve]

tbh ogryn weapons in general could use a revamp

[patent mango]

ogryn just needs help in general on everything

[celest valve]

did you know why the rumbler is ass?

[patent mango]

ammo

theres like 3 ammo

[celest valve]

nope lol

[patent mango]

the blessings need constant firing

boss damig being bad?

[thorn pond]

FGS thrust and the DS has more range tho

[celest valve]

so you know how the blast radius stat has like a 2 meter and... 10 meter or something radius?

[thorn pond]

not that they shouldn't

[celest valve]

the 2 meter radius has 1,000 damage

[cobalt musk]

as an ogryn dakka enjoyer it could use a lil rations ngl

[celest valve]

2.01 meters has 200 damage

[patent mango]

lmfao

i use both radius increases

[marble crater]

Another 400 stamina curio, why does Brunt hate my second psyker so much

[patent mango]

so its not as terrible

but ig thats another thing on the list of rumbler problems

[celest valve]

so basically I think the intention is that it goes from 1,000 damage at 2 meters to 200 damage at 10 meters

but instead, it immediately falls down to 200 damage, and falls off to 0 damage at 10 meters

[patent mango]

that'd make it strong

so the ammo would make sense

but rn the ammo is so guh!!!!!!!!!!

dude i wish they'd just scrap all ogryn keystones

i dont like a single one of them

[cobalt musk]

each keystone should be named after a food instead

[celest valve]

fun fact the grenade gauntlet is the same way lol

[strong gulch]

I got so many +3 stam on my first one, then it took FOREVER to get some on my 2nd. My 3rd has yet to see one.

You might be waiting awhile. 😭

(hopefully complaining in discord manifests you a real +3 stam)

[patent mango]

please just make a keystone make enemies drop rations

[celest valve]

except that it's close range radius can be as low as like 0.2m

[patent mango]

fr? i havent used it much

after it got gutted melee wise

[patent mango]

🔥

[celest valve]

yes, i experimented with it, and you can actually miss the close range damage on large enemies and basically do stagger only

[patent mango]

buh..........

rippergun is also terrible

i saw som1 use it purely for stagger but thats it

[marble crater]

I could gamble with Melk bucks, but I want to keep them on the off chance they rework him

[celest valve]

shotguns are weird cause of the minimum pellet count

[patent mango]

fatshark make heavy hitter be some berserk ogryn keystone

and middle keystone enemies drop rashuns

[celest valve]

fun thing on psyker btw. Do you know the combat shotgun mark that fires a wide burst of horizontal pellets?

with the special?

[patent mango]

uh

yea

is that any good

[thorn pond]

that reminds me i think the double barrel shotgun also needs some love

[celest valve]

you can with psyker load up all your damage buffs, and just make entire hordes explode into red jelly

[patent mango]

cant i just use double barrel for that

[jovial juniper]

It'll proc TA as long as it's first target

[cobalt musk]

sometimes i forget other weapons exist for psyker other than a staff

[celest valve]

Veteran, right side tree keystone. Get the missing ammo reload on swapping to ranged. Use knife or dueling sword as a melee weapon. On the double-barrel shotgun, take the blessing that gives extra penetration on crits and one other i forgot(probably the aiming one? iunno you're going to crit 100% of the time)

[patent mango]

oh yea

thats my fav vet build

[celest valve]

Kill 3 enemies. Swap to double barreled shotgun, shoot one barrel. Swap back to melee, kill three enemies. Repeat.

[thorn pond]

Bold of you to assume i play anything other than psyker

[celest valve]

it's so fun

[thorn pond]

i use the double shotgun as psyker with scryers gaze

roleplaying as the doom guy

and dying by getting shot

[celest valve]

double shotgun would probably on psyker be best with FGS

the FGS works well with the rapid swapping playstyle DBS wants, because of the effectively 0s wield time of the FGS

[patent mango]

fgs can just erase hordes though

i dont need more of that

[thorn pond]

i tend to use the ripper blades for the chainsaw effect

its the doom guy after all

[celest valve]

Then take the 'all shots hit the same target' and 'faster reload if both barrels fired' thing :p

[thorn pond]

its just a fun off meta build all good

[celest valve]

god i wish eviscerator was on psyker

[thorn pond]

yee

[patent mango]

i want bolter on psyker

[celest valve]

it's like a warhammer lightsaber

just VRRRRRRMM

VRRRM

VRMMMMMMMMM

[thorn pond]

bolt pistol also kinda weak right now

[verbal thistle]

now?

[thorn pond]

its great to use but theres no reason to use it if you have a revolver

[thorn pond]

XD

[verbal thistle]

there is no reason to ever not take the revolver if you want have the best gun

[celest valve]

like everything i've seen says that the bolt pistol is better in every way than the revolver lol

[patent mango]

look im just saying

i'd also be ok with bistol buffs

its blessings are really silly

[celest valve]

(which uh is blatantly wrong btw. like 0.1s wield time for the revolver, bolt pistol has i wanna say 0.6s?)

maybe 0.3s but it's noticably longer

[upper sun]

boltpistol aims itself even more than revolver

[celest valve]

does it

[upper sun]

yes

[celest valve]

(they might actually use the same aiming profile on right click when I think about it)

[upper sun]

i can kill snipers with it across the map without even seeing them

[strong gulch]

It also un-aims itself, but I'm bad

[celest valve]

no, that's your crab pincers you have instead of hands

got a raw deal from tzeentch on that one mate

[strong gulch]

feck

[celest valve]

anyway bolt pistols are also.... weird... with the exploding mechanic they're cool and thumpy but sometimes you just want to revolver ocelot

https://tenor.com/bkYDe.gif

[thorn pond]

They should maybe buff the bolt pistol agains't monstruosities and maniacs i dunno

make them more different than the revolver despite not reaching the same breakpoints

But then again why would u use guns when you can just use the the surge staff as an automatic rifle

[upper sun]

nah boltpistol is fine

[patent mango]

i should try revolver more

i dont really wanna use zarona but also its just the better one

[celest valve]

Bolt pistol is an explosive weapon and thus has less precision damage but more flat damage to all armor types.

[upper sun]

just ads

[celest valve]

(also more AOE/stagger)

[patent mango]

mayb the hip fire revolver needs a bit mo damig

[celest valve]

It basically performs better than the revolver at the cost of speed.

Comparing it to the ironsights revolver, btw.

The hipfire revolver is... a strange weapon. I've found it best as a sidearm for a melee playstyle, as the speedloader encourages magdumping when you need to clear out a few specials/ranged units before reloading and swapping back.

[patent mango]

i just want it to be slightly better idk

it feels inconsistent

don hit what i aim at..........

:(

[buoyant maple]

every upside boltpistol has over revolver is not really relevant outside of havoc

[celest valve]

skill issueeeeeee

(also maybe not enough stability iunno)

[patent mango]

mines prolly 80 idk

[celest valve]

wrong. it makes a strong thump noise that gives dopamine.

[thorn pond]

i feel that it doesn't really makes sense for it to have less penetration than the revolver imo i just don't find the aoe to be usefull

[celest valve]

ok revolver gib dopamine too but different dopamine

[celest valve]

eh the AOE is also stagger only in part because explosions are fucked in the game

fun fact: the ogryn power maul power surge? talent broken. Doesn't do anything.

Even then, the explosion damage is only 20.

[thorn pond]

its interesting that they have inverse fallout dmg

the bolt pistol i mean

e...e

[jovial juniper]

Wrong, breaking someone's nose with a revolver whip is dopamine inducing

[patent mango]

they dont have noses

[celest valve]

why would you use an exceedingly inefficient FGS attack

[celest valve]

It's because the bolt fuses as it travels. This is actually quite normal to avoid literally killing yourself shooting at something up close.

...also it's not the only thing that has reverse falloff damage.

some lasguns tend to have it too

[celest valve]

Oh. So i just remembered something. The hipfire revolver has significantly shorter falloff range than the ironsights one.

[buoyant maple]

Only against 3 armor types and not enough to matter for breakpoints usually

[patent mango]

fr?

[thorn pond]

i don't think that being able to shot tru like 3 shotgunners and kill all 3 but the boltpistol can barelly kill one is that irrelevant

but i still use it tho

[patent mango]

tbh hipfire revolver also has low ammo

[buoyant maple]

Shotgunners got mass increase so revolver only hits up to 2 of them now

[celest valve]

god i forgot that there are different values for near and far armor damage 😭

[jovial juniper]

Bonk = brain happy

[buoyant maple]

But revolver is still by far better than boltpistol outside of havoc

[celest valve]

imo the explosion damage is probably what should be looked into and fixed first because it like... it makes a lot of weapons simply bad :c

[patent mango]

slopshark buff rumbler pleeasseee

[buoyant maple]

Grim Protocol update actually nerfed revolver quite notably

[patent mango]

how difficult would it even be to make ogryn tree fun

would b bigger rework than psyker tree at min

[buoyant maple]

Shotgunner mass increase
Scab rager carapace torso (can’t 1 crit body shot them anymore)

[celest valve]

honestly i've played other classes and lowkey I think psyker already has like... the best talent tree

[thorn pond]

But dakka ogryn is finally fun

[patent mango]

psyker is the only talent tree with variety

[celest valve]

veteran isn't far behind, zealot is just the weird kid screaming in the back I don't understand them, and ogryn is the quiet sad kid

[patent mango]

vet is far behind

their melee options are the least fun of any class

[buoyant maple]

Veteran has 4.5 good melee weapons

It is what it is

[celest valve]

vets main problem feels like all their good talents are shoved into the very end where all the keystones are lol

and then at the start you have things like

[patent mango]

thats just cause vet has no technical melee wep really

[celest valve]

"uhhhhh do more damage at 20 meters"

[thorn pond]

Zealots have it easy imo. I feel that for psykers we have more interesting skills but you need to sacrifice a lot to get them.

[patent mango]

zealots do not have it easy

most of them use knives the other paths are soo bad

[thorn pond]

I just can't see to find a build to use warp syphon anymore because it costs so much

[patent mango]

then the middle part hasa the first talents being ranged

then the keystone part is ok i can use either one really

[celest valve]

also veteran needs a smoke grenade rework imo >.>

[buoyant maple]

They can be very technical if you want to min max heavy

[thorn pond]

Also i think the buffs to the left click staff attack are too limited to the left right side.

[patent mango]

no big wep tho :(

[buoyant maple]

But vet really has just 4.5 good melee weapons

[upper sun]

big
boolet

[buoyant maple]

Combat axe III
Power sword VI
Duelling sword IV
Combat blade VI
Heavy sword IX (is the 0.5)

Everything else meh

[celest valve]

smoke grenade is weird, only works for ranged enemies, hampers your teams own vision(have bone implant highlighting of enemies through the smoke iunno) and is just.... weird and gamey in a weird way?

[patent mango]

smoke nade feels like its for a diff game

[upper sun]

folding shovel buffs when?

all they gotta do is make the flip animation faster it would be so fire

[plucky flax]

Standard shovel slander.

[thorn pond]

So what u telling me is that zealots are not only broken rn but they are even more broken since their talent tree suck

[buoyant maple]

It needs a lot more than that

[thorn pond]

So if they fix the talent tree they are going to become the emperor himself

[patent mango]

uh kinda

idk

[celest valve]

It's for helldivers 2 which uses the same engine except helldivers 2 has actually much better implementation of... everything.

[buoyant maple]

Usable but meh

[thorn pond]

For atoma

[upper sun]

FOR ATOMA

[plucky flax]

Bonking crushers with shovel.

[upper sun]

tbh

i dont think i ever played standard shovel outside of the tutorial

[thorn pond]

that makes sense why most zealots that join my teams have no way to deal with clusters of ragers bullwarks and maulers

Everytime i look at the throwing knife or immolation granade i just go welp its trauma staff time

[patent mango]

just hit them

[prime elk]

Taxe

[celest valve]

Ogryn.

Light attacks: Needs an identity for ogryn. It shouldn't be heavy attacks, it should be heavy attacks vs light attacks. What is light attacks identity? nothing lol only use heavy attacks

some sort of noob talent at the start of the tree to help new ogryn players deal with ranged units. Toughness regen on suppression. iunno.

TOUGHNESS. KEYSTONES. ARE. BAD. PLEASE. REWORK. MIDDLE. TREE. KEYSTOOOOOONE

[patent mango]

ogryn tree is so guhhhhhhhhhhh

why is it all so much heavy attack stuff

why no ammo sustain

middle tree cant even function by itself

[buoyant maple]

I wish they were better

[celest valve]

it has ammo sustain it's justt that ogryn has only one talent for everything

it's like psyker but psyker is cooler

[patent mango]

is ammo sustain that +25%

[celest valve]

(yes lol)

[patent mango]

lmao lol

[celest valve]

to be fair there's also the lucky shot thing

[patent mango]

thats not real

[celest valve]

i mean, hey

12% less ammo use is 12% less ammo use

[patent mango]

its sooo slop

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-me-too-kid-incredibles-gif-19919940

[patent mango]

why is the random 25% ammo better than an entire keystone

[prime elk]

I do like them in their current state even if they're objectively not that good

[celest valve]

because shut up stupid ogryn and take the two talents and be happy about it

[patent mango]

noooooo noooooooo give me variety now!!!!!!

[buoyant maple]

I think tac axes are B+ tier and could be a lot better if they had more carapace & unyielding damage

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/rJiqSUS58wY.gif

[buoyant maple]

Functionally they’re in a similar role with DC swords for veteran

They just happen to kill most things better

[prime elk]

Yeah I wished

Why DC?

[celest valve]

god i want the funny bouncing grenade ogryn gun to be good

i want the explosions to actually be booms and not wet farts after 2 meters

[patent mango]

that'd be so peak

[buoyant maple]

Really good vs ragers which is like the #1 reason people even pick DC swords

[patent mango]

is it already reported as bug in forums

[celest valve]

i fucking love the detonation mechanics on them it encourages cool corner bounces but those are trash because you have to be SO. FUCKING. ACCURATE.

[prime elk]

Did it get nerfed? I remember it being pretty good a while ago

[patent mango]

it has like no ammo

for havoc thats death

and gunlugger is already death

[prime elk]

Because of its dodges or something?

[patent mango]

parry i think

[buoyant maple]

H1 stagger rager
PA another stagger
H2 kill

[prime elk]

And special stagger maybe

[celest valve]

also combat axes are both OP and in an okay state and shouldn't be nerfed weirdly

[buoyant maple]

Rashad takes 2 PAs or has to burn dodge

[celest valve]

yes this sounds weird.

[buoyant maple]

Buff base cleave, nerf BM

[prime elk]

Oh interesting. Which mark? I've only been using mk4 because I just light spam lol

[buoyant maple]

Mk7 is the best one imo

[prime elk]

But no light spam

[celest valve]

i tried them and they feel like... big and chunky but also slow to the point that despite being strong against everything I feel like slowness puts them in a good spot

[prime elk]

😭

[celest valve]

also it makes chainaxes a goddamn joke

[patent mango]

chainaxe moment

[buoyant maple]

Run +atk speed

[prime elk]

You def need attack speed with caxe

[celest valve]

yeah but it's still chunky and that's ok

[patent mango]

caxe psyker was so sad when i tried it

[celest valve]

it's like... iunno, combat axe feels like a more balanced ogryn pickaxe

[buoyant maple]

Usually it’s the other way around

Karsolas is basically Rashad but ogryn

[patent mango]

this is so sad can we buff pickaxesd

[celest valve]

yeah but ogryn doesn't give a flying fuck about speed because their fastest weapon is the fucking cleaver which is as fast as the slowest not ogryn weapon

[patent mango]

cleaver is like barely faster than pick

sometimes slower actually

[celest valve]

also speed seems shit without precision damage, which ogryn simply doesn't have

[celest valve]

i have noticed that heavy weapons tend to have decent speed, high stamina, but high sprint costs. Which generally results in being able to sprint like any other weapon class but it takes longer to recover.

but also ogryn is weirdly the fastest class for base movement speed simply because same 75% sprint speed when out of stamina as the zealot and more stamina. or at least weirdly fast for their size

[patent mango]

i think for ogryn

i want them to replace slam with movement speed on melee kill

slam being the slop node rock is forced into

[buoyant maple]

Ogryn’s sprint bonus is weaker

With most weapons having more sprint stamina cost

How is ogryn “fastest”

[upper sun]

ogryns sprint EATS bars even if you have more

fatshark made ogryn for tonking not for fun or mobility

[patent mango]

rework ogryn pleaassee

[upper sun]

nerf heavy hitter?

[celest valve]

anyway. Ogryn dream list(for me)

Cleaver: make faster speedy ogryn combat knife
Bully club: something to make them different than the slab shield iunno make it fast AND thunky but oriented towards impact instead of damage
Slab Shield: pretty good spot I guess
pickaxe: same pretty good spot
Power maul: FIX EXPLOSIONS AAAAAAA POWER SURGE DOES NOTHING
pretend the weapons i forgot existed need buffs of some sort

twin linked stubber: more better dakka pls it feels short somehow
heavy stubber: perfect, no notes, model of a good ogryn weapon
rippergun: as the short range option maybe more responsive and faster aim down sights please?
kickback: more oomph on special
rumbler: FIX EXPLOSION DAMAGE
grenaider gauntlet: FIX EXPLOSION DAMAGE

[jovial juniper]

Funny because ogryn has like 4 base stamina and zealot has 3

[patent mango]

replace heavy hitter

[celest valve]

yeah well i'm also mentally factoring in the unstaggerability of ogryn

[buoyant maple]

Club is already a stagger orientated weapon (it does barely any damage)

[celest valve]

and mostly considering baseline speed not knife zealot on cocaine

[upper sun]

video games anyone?

[upper sun]

club 3 is ok

[buoyant maple]

Yea, ogryn is still slowest

[marble crater]

Yes

[buoyant maple]

Damage up to 3 enemies per attack

No thx

[celest valve]

on dodges ya definitely

[buoyant maple]

Abysmal abysmal tier

[upper sun]

better than 1 lmao

[buoyant maple]

Nah just move speed

+1 sprint bonus
Weapons have mostly no or negative sprint bonus
High sprint cost across the board