psyker-class

[thorn cedar]

havoc 1-10 is malice + modifiers
11-20 (or 19?) is heresy + modifiers
its only at 20+ you are even playing at damnation difficulty (+ modifiers ofc)

[analog agate]

Yeah. Havocs greater than 40 will allow them to add red tier. Now what does that do to auric/maels? 🤷‍♂️

[thorn cedar]

just jump in and play

[untold niche]

Hmmm

[clear heath]

You'll also have an easier time getting into good teams with a havoc 40 clear

Even in party finder, havoc 40 will probably get you better people.
Easier to join high havoc teams. You can host and control who joins

[untold niche]

Maybe I try this weekend with my knife zealot and tell you guys my experience.
Unless it needs me to play psyker again. I stopped playing psyker because even pre DD rework it was so powerful it got boring.

[analog agate]

You can play whatever class

Progress is shared

[thick pier]

the agony of being stuck in mid 20s Havoc because no Havoc 40 secret club pass

[deft stump]

Just oggy might be hard to get games.

[untold niche]

How does the levels work?

[hearty wolf]

i wake

[untold niche]

Like you clear havoc 21

You get 22?

[deft stump]

I'm still afraid of you trolling this week. >_>

[clear heath]

Your current rank goes up by 1 when you clear your own havoc assignment
It also jumps to the highest havoc you've cleared at the end of the week

[hearty wolf]

I will have to sacrifice you for more damage

[clear heath]

So you can either do your own 1 by 1, or get boosted and wait till weekly reset for it to jump up

[deft stump]

So you do less, kay.

[untold niche]

It will go down if you lose right

[clear heath]

3 losses for a derank

but at weekly reset, it'll jump up to highest cleared last week even if you deranked below it

[hearty wolf]

Only on your own assignment tho

basically

find someone at 40

play 40

win

quit game

[untold niche]

What's the voidstike meta build now. I haven't played psyker since tree rework

[deft stump]

Trash in havoc above 10.

[untold niche]

Hu

Huh

Oh

[hearty wolf]

blazing nexus

[untold niche]

No I meant the skill tree

[hearty wolf]

o

stike

voidSTRIKE

[analog agate]

Well, not necessarily. I played with someone here who did it at 40

[hearty wolf]

DD would be the way

[plucky flax]

Havoc 40 is too hard.

[deft stump]

It's just pretty bad compared to burny stick and traumatising stick

[clear heath]

you can play a bunch of non meta stuff just fine once you're used to the difficulty

[untold niche]

And ult? I saw people use one that's 20 seconds and grants you ceit. Forgot thr name, after tree rework

[deft stump]

You can't 100% carry me, so diff too hard.

[hearty wolf]

ceit?

[plucky flax]

Anyone wanna play couple chill rounds?

[untold niche]

Crit

My bad

[plucky flax]

Before football game.

[hearty wolf]

o

No

For high havocs, you basically always get tossed onto bubble as it is

[untold niche]

What's it called I genuinely forgot lmao

[hearty wolf]

cos is big crutch

Scrier's Gaze

[untold niche]

Ah yeah gaze

Wait so no more vs?

Very sad

[clear heath]

I think voidstrike would have cleave issues with the higher horde hitmass too

[untold niche]

Doesn't voidstrike have infinite cleave

[thorn cedar]

chill rounds of what

havocs?

[untold niche]

Or is it just very high

[plucky flax]

Havoc or maelstrom whatever

Maelstrom more chill

Havoc too sweaty with bubble and choir

[clear heath]

pretty sure it's not infinite

[analog agate]

No

[untold niche]

I think it's 6 trash zombies right on full charge

I can't rmb

[deft stump]

Increased hit mass would lower that to like 2. Lul.

[clear heath]

anyways inferno and voidblast having actual infinite cleave makes them the top picks for havoc

also the fact that they ignore pus-hardened

pus hardened gives ranged resistance
ignored by dots like burn, and also by voidblast for some reason

[deft stump]

Yeah, pus is the worst for anything that doesn't bypass it.

[untold niche]

What is voidblast, what is pus hardened

I assume inferno and void blast are rename for the staffs?

[thorn cedar]

shur lets roll

im waitin on these edibles to finally kick in

[deft stump]

You get even revolvers doing nothing.

[clear heath]

voidblast is rename of trauma staff

ground explosion

[plucky flax]

What's your fs code? I'm just relic sword chilling

[untold niche]

Inferno is fire staff right

Rename

[plucky flax]

Also are you na or eu?

[thorn cedar]

NA

[deft stump]

Yes.

Burny stick.

[plucky flax]

I'll put na east then

[untold niche]

Damn

[thorn cedar]

just launchin

[untold niche]

Can't use my beloved voidstrike

[clear heath]

i'm sure you could make it work eventually

[untold niche]

Hey does pus hardened reduce damage on throwing knives?

[clear heath]

although probably use something easier while you adjust to the difficulty

[thorn cedar]

yes

oh god yes

[clear heath]

yeah

[untold niche]

Zealot chat must be malding

[thorn cedar]

2887886754

[clear heath]

imagine needing 2 tknife headshots

pain

[thorn cedar]

or three

[untold niche]

On a sniper?

[thorn cedar]

or four!

[untold niche]

Flamer

[clear heath]

didn't headshot? suffer

[untold niche]

On what

Man sized specials?

[analog agate]

My blaze VB build for high havoc

[clear heath]

i don't remember the exact count tbh

[thorn cedar]

tknives are still good tbh

[deft stump]

Everything that's green will eat at least half or more of your knives, lmao.

[thorn cedar]

like yea you'll need to toss more of them but

theyre still damn near bottomless as a resource

[hearty wolf]

They're broken

[clear heath]

you just better make sure you hit the head

[hearty wolf]

Just take annoint in blood and headshot

[clear heath]

also it's still good for swap cancel

[hearty wolf]

They kill everything lmao

[untold niche]

Maybe I now finally have reason to take out my wound build with caxe, then take flamer and fire nade.

[thorn cedar]

anoint in blood only applies to tknife if youre holding your gun out

[untold niche]

Somehow I remember that

The perk after annoint

[hearty wolf]

That's why I take revolver

[untold niche]

Deal more damage to uh ogryns

What's it called

[hearty wolf]

instant swap makes 0 difference really

[hearty wolf]

Purge the unclean

[untold niche]

What's the ogryn damage type called?

[clear heath]

knife puncture bolter to bleed with the knives and bypass pus hardened

unyielding?

[untold niche]

Yeah when I used that, flame grenades, and then I switch to my gun that had the more ogryn / boss damage, the shield ogryn died in 3 seconds

Ah yeah unyielding

I stood at arms length so AIB was in works as well. Still funny to see like 5 shield ogruns die in 3 seconds

Wait then what di you do to pus hardened disablers

Can't shoot them

Say a trapper

[clear heath]

shoot them more

or melee

[untold niche]

Melee doable but risky

[hearty wolf]

Just shoot them

[clear heath]

they take half damage but they still die

[hearty wolf]

It's a placebo modifier on god

[clear heath]

it feels worse than it is

tfw you shoot a sniper with a bolter and it didnt die

[earnest sand]

And the sniper laughs then 1 shots you

[clear heath]

I think havoc also boost specialist hp by 1.5x in general

so that sniper with pus hardened is like 3x stronger against guns

[untold niche]

Hmmm

That sounds fun actually

[clear heath]

but aside from ammo tax, the real issue is pus hardened bursters

[untold niche]

It's like playing levelling up again

[clear heath]

when they awkwardly fumble around your team

[clear heath]

and you can't kill it but it won't blow up

and it just keeps getting back up

[untold niche]

What? So if you shove no boom boom?

Then howbto safely kill?

[clear heath]

it still does

but you've seen buggy bursters

like when something knocks them over before they decide to blow up, so they just don't

[hearty wolf]

this is why throwing knives exist

throwing knife headshots make them cry

[untold niche]

Ah yeah. Another bad one is you shove them into a wall just in range and then you get blown up

[hearty wolf]

You can also melee and dodge with relic blade

[untold niche]

Havoc actually sounds fun if I ignore bookies

Time to dust off my meta caxe zealot

[clear heath]

You can probably find people in this server to agree not to use book

half of this chat probably has 40 already

people who have cleared it are probably chill to just mess around

[deft stump]

Unless they still have use for diamantine. I still need too many curio upgraded and maxed weapons.

[untold niche]

Wait do all enemies have increased hp?

[hearty wolf]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[upper sun]

😭

[untold niche]

Wha at is toughness grace

[untold niche]

None of the people here I talk to are in sea sadly

[clear heath]

wait clad what havoc are you at?

[upper sun]

38

[clear heath]

oh

[marble crater]

I thought you are 40

[upper sun]

no

[marble crater]

We need to change this then

[upper sun]

i only did 40 twice with kat

and once with sin and potato

[earnest sand]

I wanna say the timing before it goes to health DMG after toughness depletes from hitscans like gunners etc I don't think it applies to shotgun boys

[marble crater]

So you are 40

[upper sun]

the second loss was on meand i still have ptsd

no

im 38

ive done some 40s but never cleared

[marble crater]

[clear heath]

Yeah
shotgunners specifically ignore it

but anyways that's gone in havoc so whatever

[upper sun]

😭 last one with potato and sin

man

all i had to dod was dodge a trapper reload and shoot the last vat and we would have won

[marble crater]

If someone says they have done drugs, then it's safe to assume they put them in their body and didn't just try. So when you say you did 40, I assume you actually finished it

[upper sun]

🙄 ive drank but ive never driven drunk

its not the same!!!!

[untold niche]

Don't you take hp damage as soon as you don't have full toughness

[patent mango]

god gives the fastest cars to the drunkest drivers

[clear heath]

Yeah, but there's a grace period after toughness breaks from bullets where you have some damage reduction to them

[upper sun]

@strong gulch when you and warudo? died i was the only one in position to shoot the vats

[hearty wolf]

This is a poor understanding of toughness grace

[upper sun]

broke 2

i just had to reload for the last

[marble crater]

So we get clad his 40 this week, maybe

[upper sun]

then BOOM trapper

[untold niche]

Mf I never knew this was a thing

[strong gulch]

My non havoc play has been in the toilet. It's like I'm out of baby jail and go make all of the goblin mistakes.

[patent mango]

dude im still coping about that dc

[hearty wolf]

If you in coherency, when your toughness breaks, you geta few frames of immunity so you don't insta die to gunners lets say

[earnest sand]

But as he mentioned in havoc it isn't a thing so 🙂

[upper sun]

🚬 you can cope i cant cope

[patent mango]

the guh....

[untold niche]

I'm disappointed in myself that I don't know this

[analog agate]

I can play with you clad. Ez mode 40

[clear heath]

From an old post:

5th number is the damnation value

[earnest sand]

Just praise yourself for learning something new instead

[clear heath]

6th number is an unused modifier

[patent mango]

i feel like havoc woulda been nicer with toughness grace

then maybe pubs wouldnt be 3-4 support abilities

[earnest sand]

True

[untold niche]

No bobbl3

No book

Life is dream

https://tenor.com/view/life-could-be-dream-saldu-darkking-darkkinghandsome-discord-life-dream-gif-26637425

[earnest sand]

Just go in blood thirsty killing all the heretics. We've heard enough chants and getting stir crazy from da bubbles

[thorn cedar]

draw speed doesnt really matter, throwing a knife cancels draw time anyway

its just not a global effect, you do have to have started drawing out the gun to get the bonus from anoint

[radiant frigate]

havoc would have been nicer if it didn't focus so much on returning us to the launch esperience

[untold niche]

Hi kat

[radiant frigate]

hi jest-r

[untold niche]

How does force greatsword compare to iliisi

[clear heath]

From what i've read, it doesn't need to be in coherency and isn't complete immunity

[patent mango]

illisi moveset is eepy

[clear heath]

it's just 75% dr to ranged

[patent mango]

and lacks any variety

[radiant frigate]

it's like BIG illisi and also has armor damage

everything i want from a melee weapon

approved

[untold niche]

What is the downside compared to illisi

[radiant frigate]

recommended

[radiant frigate]

less mobile

[patent mango]

it slow

[plucky flax]

Low and slow dodges

[untold niche]

Tru tru but it served me well

[patent mango]

illisi has no stabs which i like for rager murder

[radiant frigate]

and also less spellstrike gaming than illisi

[patent mango]

or overheads or literally anything that isnt a sweep

[thorn cedar]

brb as well for a schmoke

[radiant frigate]

when the sweepy move only hits one target, i weep

[patent mango]

its over

[untold niche]

Hmmm. Wait I thought dodge speed is the same for all weapons? I remember asking about this, saying how weapons dodge speed feel slower but someone fact checked me

[radiant frigate]

then again illisi is perfectly capable of onetapping ragers with enough buffs and an empowered heavy to the noggin

[untold niche]

Doesn't charged heavy one tap rager? Sorry its been a while

[patent mango]

with buffs yea

[earnest sand]

Been having fun with illisi stacking peril tbh

[patent mango]

still feels less safe

or maybe thats just the lack of emotional support greatsword

[untold niche]

I'm an edger so ezpz. Plus DD main even before rework

[earnest sand]

I can't stroke the fgs as fast 😦 it needs two hands

[clear heath]

illisi is fun with buff stacking and is easy to get buffs with

[patent mango]

illisi fans when the uhh 500 stacks of dd

[untold niche]

Are the force gs light swings slow as well?

[patent mango]

a bit

[plucky flax]

Ye

[upper sun]

yeah

[plucky flax]

But light spam is still good for chaffs clear with 10% attack speed

[thorn cedar]

relative to an illisi yes

[untold niche]

Honestly even pre rework I could maintain DD at 15 stacks all the way barring elevator. Maybe if its an event and I genuinely get no marks then I lose it.

[upper sun]

🤔

[thorn cedar]

but i wouldn't call it that slow

[clear heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/487110864504094730/1311384845204848853/illisi_propaganda.gif

[upper sun]

@plucky flax didnt you say you hated slow weapons? why do u like relic and fgs?

[untold niche]

Which ones horde clear is better?

[thorn cedar]

illisi vs fgs?

[untold niche]

Ya

[patent mango]

probably fgs lol

counting the warp slash

[thorn cedar]

or between the two marks? Fgs for sure

[plucky flax]

I always use 10% attack speed with fgs and I can only play chastise with relic for the 30% attack speed

[untold niche]

Illisi vs force gs

[patent mango]

fgs sweep

[thorn cedar]

illisi in bursts can do better since the special is immediately accessible and strong

[upper sun]

we gotta get you into playing thammer now

[untold niche]

Warp slash is the special? What about just pure lights? I never liked doing special on lillisi for horde clear

[patent mango]

illisi needs to stack buffs up first though

[thorn cedar]

but the fgs is still very strong and then its special can clear a postal code of enemies

[untold niche]

I just spam lights

[plucky flax]

Nah its impossible

[upper sun]

😭

[patent mango]

ermm on mk8 u can just spam lights ig

[untold niche]

And it would be better than illisi?

[upper sun]

but ironhelm is so nice

[patent mango]

uhh

idk if its better with light spam

[plucky flax]

I spam light on mk6 for horde clear

[thorn cedar]

if you dont bother with the special on the FGS then i wouldnt bother with it at all tbh

deimos will serve better

[untold niche]

Hmm. Orite

[patent mango]

no funy heavy?

[plucky flax]

Whenever I use push

[clear heath]

Illisi and FGS are pretty different i'd say
Both are good at hordes though.
FGS has a lot of range and good single target, and good utility with the special
The downside is horrible dodges

[plucky flax]

Other wise just light spam is good

[patent mango]

fgs dodges are alright

[plucky flax]

Push light then follow up heavy is vanguard

[patent mango]

its true

[untold niche]

Oh ya agent you still haven't told me if thr dodge speed is actually slower xd

Or it just feels slower

[plucky flax]

It is slower

[patent mango]

oh yeah fgs has +4 stamina 🔥

[thorn cedar]

its much slower

[clear heath]

Hold on lemme grab the fgs propaganda

[thorn cedar]

its the worst dodges of all our weapons

[clear heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922136978865156168/1314098608467083335/force_cleave_killfeed.mp4?ex=6787edf3&is=67869c73&hm=0996ec86d45d08755cbfc2e94c4776c2a884e03a00f55d950accb32b3f90ae7a&

[plucky flax]

Like relic sword when power up has giga slow dodge

[patent mango]

propaganda

[untold niche]

I see

[plucky flax]

Or when you're out of dodges it's super slow

[patent mango]

i need to get more fgs clips but on havoc the waves are less impressive lmao

[thorn cedar]

ok am rdy

[plucky flax]

Fatigued dodge or whatever

[untold niche]

Wait it can getsuga tenshou?

[thorn cedar]

fuck its cold out

also no smyker this time hopefully

[clear heath]

Also the stagger is very good
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1315913789044035604/fgs_ragers.mp4?ex=6787f0f7&is=67869f77&hm=c64afc43b017bd9d1ebb861221d135c752a1f33bb811a65acfa70e7fa4a53728&

[thorn cedar]

that dude was slowing our clear by keeping the hounds all spread out ;_;

[plucky flax]

Ye he messed me up cos enemies on the floor harder to headshot

[untold niche]

Why was this not given to zealot instead

[patent mango]

zealot has more than enough

[clear heath]

The way it staggers is kinda weird though
The wave has more stagger than the blade itself

so if you hit with the sword directly and the wave goes behind them, you might not stagger

need like a little distance

[untold niche]

Van the wave headshot

[clear heath]

no

[untold niche]

Damn. I was hoping

[patent mango]

can wave technically headshot against cara ragers actually

i didnt test

[untold niche]

Cara ragers?

Mew enemy?

New

[clear heath]

idk why the ragers count as now

[patent mango]

just the flak guys

[clear heath]

probably hits them in the cara part

[untold niche]

Wait flak rager now buffed to have cara parts?

[patent mango]

yea

[clear heath]

they have cara chest now

and DoTs still do damage as if they were flak, in case you were wondering

[untold niche]

That's like not changing anything..
Who bodyshots a rager

[jovial juniper]

Special is what made Illisi top tier horde muncher due to how it affected damage and distribution 😭

[clear heath]

bad aim with a braced autogun i guess

[untold niche]

I just lightspam, is gud enough and safe since I don't need to wave my hand

[clear heath]

shotguns probably

wait, is this a kickback nerf?

[untold niche]

On god I headshot ragers with shotguns

Well not ogryn shotguns at least now that you mentioned

[patent mango]

its over

[untold niche]

Why do fs make so weird changes

[patent mango]

waait 1s

[summer prairie]

is that just the swing

[untold niche]

Cara on flak rager body

[patent mango]

its not real carapace

[patent mango]

its funny

[clear heath]

Test with perks

[untold niche]

Like Jason mentioned. It will only affect kickback right

Au to corret

[patent mango]

ok

[clear heath]

see if it's cara perk or flak perk

[patent mango]

i think it counts as cara

perk wise

[untold niche]

I need you guys to play vt2 as well so I can have people to talk to vt2 about

[patent mango]

76 no cara 95 ish with cara

[clear heath]

Might actually be a buff for most fgs users then
A lot of people run cara on it

[patent mango]

fatshark is so jolly bringing gifts

and ogryn nerfs

im ok with them nerfing ogryn tdr i just wish they moved that power to some other talents like damig or mobility tbh

[clear heath]

i don't think they should nerf ogryn tdr

tree does need changes though

[patent mango]

ogryn tree got that peak 0 variety

[clear heath]

and maybe they shouldn't leave half the weapons unviable

also i know shield isn't the thing that needs buffs, but could they do something about h1 cancels being the main strat for it? This shit sucks to play

[patent mango]

shield probably has the eepiest gameplay in the game

[clear heath]

it's just annoying and also not that interesting to see 1 animation throughout the entire game

[flat shadow]

They buffed the club swings moderately

[patent mango]

fr?

are they any good

[flat shadow]

A while ago

When they changed the power maul

They're all right

In havoc it gets stuck in like 3 people

[patent mango]

maybe someday ogryn stops having only heavy attack stuff..........

[marble crater]

Just do H1 into H2, it works perfectly fine in Auric. Haven't played ogryn in Havoc

[jovial juniper]

Nuh uh

Bleed? Heavy

Damage? Heavy

Cleave? Heavy

[patent mango]

noooo

[jovial juniper]

[patent mango]

my darktide just crashed

[jovial juniper]

Heavy Hitter has the node for lights keeping the buffs but like

Why

[patent mango]

"heavy" hitter

its so over...

[flat shadow]

With slaughterer on mk6 cleaver it actually kills on the lights

which have basically the same attack pattern as the heavies

so you can spam lights and do okay against hordes

[upper sun]

because fuck you

[jovial juniper]

Pretty sure Bull Butcher lights are better for hordes, compared to the others that is

[upper sun]

heavy hitter is so ass bros

[patent mango]

all ogryn keystones suckkk

[upper sun]

2 of its upgrades only work at full stacks

[jovial juniper]

Well fuck me, I guess

[upper sun]

like at the very least the attack speed one should be 2% attack speed per stack not 10 at full

by the time you get to 5 stacks most hoards are gone not to mention that the stacks fucking fade at once

heres my idea
2% attack speed per stack first upgrade
20% toughness regen per stack
lights refresh duration by default
last upgrade is 10% weakspot damage per stack

[patent mango]

nah just get a new keystone

[upper sun]

new keystone?

what do you think fatshark is made out of fresh new ideas?

[patent mango]

yea

[upper sun]

nah bro here we just patch things

[patent mango]

they made fgs they can make a decent keystone 🔥

[upper sun]

https://y.yarn.co/609116a0-8c04-4e87-ae03-bedadc7e7b76.mp4

[patent mango]

dude hwat is this

those are heavies

lmao

[upper sun]

were just gonna be patching today

sorry bro

[upper sun]

i maintain
ogryn only has stubbers, shield, picks and kickback

everything else is glorpshit

[patent mango]

shield's maul is so bad too

[upper sun]

yeah shield has no lights

fuck it give me dual shield

[radiant frigate]

ds2 style

[upper sun]

something like that

[radiant frigate]

become door

[patent mango]

even flip shovel is 5 times better than knife

lmao

[analog agate]

Ogryn just needs a rework

[upper sun]

its similar to a space marine shield but cut in half

[radiant frigate]

ogryn needs a bigger knife

[upper sun]

combat knife for ogryn (its a powersword)

[patent mango]

frick it sharpened helicopter rotor blade

[jovial juniper]

Legate Lanius weapon

[upper sun]

ok grandma

lets get you to bed

[plucky flax]

[radiant frigate]

crypt blacksword or fugs for ogryn when?

[jovial juniper]

When FS fixes the damn door

[patent mango]

flip shovel horde clear is so good actually

[jovial juniper]

Brutal Momentum moment

[patent mango]

lol

[jovial juniper]

Luv my sheesh

[patent mango]

by this point just give brutal momentum in the talent tree

[radiant frigate]

i really hate brumentum

"hmm what if we took this single target weapon and gave it a blessing that increases horde clear by 300%"

(fuck you combat axes i hate you)

[upper sun]

smh same for thammer and thrust

thammer be like do you want thrust headtaker or not thammer

[analog agate]

Swift. Slaying. All over again

[radiant frigate]

except 10x worse

[patent mango]

lmao

in v2 i used swift slaying on everything

[radiant frigate]

crit chance block cost reduction swift slaying

yeah, time to game

[analog agate]

We all liked to slay swiftly

[patent mango]

if i could equip swift slaying on staves i would too

[radiant frigate]

imagine swift slaying on fgs

[patent mango]

🔥

[radiant frigate]

swift slaying is so good that it could still be competitive as a blessing in dt

[patent mango]

yea i dont eve wanna use ogryn flip shovel either

[plucky flax]

Swift slaying is 20 or 25%?

[patent mango]

255% attack speed

i think 20%?

dont rmbr...

[thorn cedar]

was 20%

[upper sun]

what if

melee weapons had a 5% attack speed perk

[patent mango]

new meta dropped

[plucky flax]

What if weakspot damage actually increase a lot of damage.

[upper sun]

no

devs themselves said its working as intended

[plucky flax]

I can check weakspot hit rate with my scoreboard and a lot of people don't hit head...

[patent mango]

what if they add a new class to darktide called ogryn 2

[thorn cedar]

thats like the one stat i actually would want by default

[plucky flax]

Console players are especially bad with not hitting heads.

[zinc phoenix]

in the navy, hitting the head means going to the toilet

[plucky flax]

I hate the navy.

I am not a sailor person.

I need land. D:

[zinc phoenix]

land bad sea gud

[wispy bay]

Master Seaman

It was an actual rank in our Navy.

[patent mango]

barotrauma gameplay

[plucky flax]

Attention officer on deck

[strong gulch]

I get bad motion sickness.

[wispy bay]

You need land, that's why you can't be a Marine.

[strong gulch]

And yet I was in the navy. lmao

[wispy bay]

Conscript?

[plucky flax]

Hmm depend on the boat. I imagine a carrier you won't feel anything.

[strong gulch]

No, but I had few options.

I was on a small one.

[plucky flax]

Aye if I had to be on a boat I'd like cruise ship / carrier.

[strong gulch]

One time the clipboard on the wall was swinging in a full circle.

[wispy bay]

You had option, yet you pick the navy...

[zinc phoenix]

submarine best choice

silent service gets extra pay

dont see anyone for six months

live in fart can

come out rich

well, sailor rich

[plucky flax]

Yes rich but muh sanity.

[strong gulch]

The smaller the boat =, the weirder is gets.

[plucky flax]

Aus navy recruiting submarine sailor.

[wispy bay]

No wifi neither.

[plucky flax]

They getting paid like 90k+ aud a year.

[zinc phoenix]

consider it a perk

0% brain rot while underway

[strong gulch]

I mean, the other office was hours away. So ye. Plus some other things. I was gonna be sick no matter what.

[zinc phoenix]

potato away!

[wispy bay]

In a sub with 40 other guys who are also edging for the last 4 months.

[plucky flax]

So 45k+ gbp and live in a metal box under the sea. That's a pass from me.

[wispy bay]

Blue ball seamen.

[zinc phoenix]

on the plus side you can all go on port call together

heh

[wispy bay]

No wonder the currency in the sub are toilet paper and magazines.

[strong gulch]

"It's not homo on the boat."

My guys... it's very homo.

[wispy bay]

Source, I have buddies in RCN and the Royal Navy.

[strong gulch]

Also instant noodles

[zinc phoenix]

probably my favorite airline ad lol

they drop that one when the US Navy comes into port 😂

[modest knoll]

@zinc phoenix Are you prior service?

[wispy bay]

Join the infantry, brainrot turning to 11.

[zinc phoenix]

nah but all my family is

and i lived on base for forever as a kid

so its like "thats home!" 😂

[wispy bay]

Sometimes I feel bad for those kids.

[zinc phoenix]

its equal parts awesome and hilarious and very very weird

[plucky flax]

Navy fam?

[wispy bay]

I don't know which base you are on, but still.

[zinc phoenix]

army but my parents worked for the navy for a long while after they got out so we spent a bunch of time at Parris talking shit to marines 😂

that whole part of SC is navytown, you cant throw a brick without hitting a marine's dick

[plucky flax]

I feel like for most nations air force are always the cushiest.

[zinc phoenix]

chair force plans the golf course first when building a base

[modest knoll]

It's because the air force has a good COC who listens to the junior enlisted and imporves their quality of life.

[wispy bay]

Definitely not in the RCAF.

[verbal thistle]

Why is the #1 public enemy in psyker chat

oh

navy stuff

the seaboys

[modest knoll]

I thik I'm the only one here

I saw submarine and got hard

[verbal thistle]

Real

[wispy bay]

Im army here. Im not gay like the navy.

[patent mango]

i saw submarine and remembered the psyker mod in barotrauma

[modest knoll]

It's because you don't have real homies

[zinc phoenix]

tater is too lol

thats why this convo started

[wispy bay]

I have brothers, and we don't do incest.

[zinc phoenix]

my brother was born in hale koa so i think that makes him owned by the DoD

[modest knoll]

Then you're not truly brothers

[strong gulch]

WAIT. Is that why some people complain a lot about coherency?? They think you can only get toughness back that way?

[verbal thistle]

that would be the case, if you were running 0 talents and grey weapons

but this isnt back to basics

[wispy bay]

The dude was running reviving VoC, too,

[verbal thistle]

revive voc my beloved

[analog agate]

Ha

Ha

Ha

[strong gulch]

I mean in even T5s, I've seen others post screenshots of people getting super mad about staying in coherency.

I know it's not the only reason, but that is... uhh interesting.

[clear heath]

well no, melee kills still give toughness

[granite saddle]

Does natural regen scale with each player in coherency? How does it scale exactly? Curious now.

I know being with one person allows it to start byea.

[agile laurel]

uh.. this is a bit annoying

[granite saddle]

Indeed

[agile laurel]

the dot is gonna stay there forever?

[granite saddle]

Till the blessing comes out if there will be one I dunno

[gaunt seal]

When you join the very guy who threw the game

Fighting for my life for several minutes with 2 dead bots and a Psyker who didn’t know the dodge button exists in havoc 21

[verbal thistle]

144p

[strong gulch]

Yes.

[granite saddle]

Ah

Makes sense

[strong gulch]

If you want the full context of that post.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3318538305

[marble crater]

That's the only way I got toughness on my psyker until lvl 7 or so

[strong gulch]

I'm rekt

[marble crater]

Could get it earlier, but I would rather die than take warp expenditure to path to assail

[strong gulch]

I don't know what I did. I already forgot. I know I used assail for 1 or 2 missions then never picked it up again on baby psyker.

[marble crater]

Same, until I unlocked trauma

[strong gulch]

I was lucky. Emps or melk had a really early trauma. So I had a good one before I even unlocked it.

Having mastery early is such a cheat.

[marble crater]

It really is

New players don't have it, pain

[wispy bay]

Also, if there are more than 2 (?) enemies in your melee range, the coherency regen will be disable.

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-calico-cat-cute-dance-cat-dance-gif-27615826

Anyone wanna do some orebricks?

[marble crater]

Some what now

[fiery stratus]

orebrick minestorm

https://tenor.com/view/creeper-aw-mannn-gif-19049216

[marble crater]

I will pass

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/dance-minecraft-speed-gif-18377895

[wispy bay]

Damn, that animation is like 10 years ago.

[fiery stratus]

yes

[marble crater]

I will go and carry damnation with my baby psyker for one or two missions

[strong gulch]

I could run a game to see how muh brains are doing.

[thorn cedar]

brains plural?

[strong gulch]

I've never checked tbh. There could be more than one.

[wispy bay]

If the left and right side of your brain don't communicate to each other, you technically have 2 brains.

[strong gulch]

Actually, I'm stuggling to focus rn. So pass.

[analog agate]

Corpus collasum

[marble crater]

Or do you have two halves of one brain?

[strong gulch]

room temp butter

[wispy bay]

If they think independently, then they are 2 brains.

[proper osprey]

Whenever I can’t focus I run purg psyker

[strong gulch]

#psyker-class message

[marble crater]

How about shield ogryn? Walk forward and heavy attack

[proper osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/weegee-sonic-ytp-die-lolol-gif-16413864

[marble crater]

Regular damnation is also pretty fun, babysitting people could probably make you a better player in terms of awareness

[strong gulch]

If you have that potential. I stayed carrying regular T5s until relatively recently.

[marble crater]

You can observe the smyker in his natural habitat, or the crab walking vet trying to do his penance

[wispy bay]

Anyone down for a H40? I just want to do my weekly.

[plucky flax]

Can do 1.

[analog agate]

I will be if you can wait an hour

Agent beat me

[plucky flax]

Don't think we have enough people anyway.

In 1 hour though I'm

[analog agate]

Ya… I get off work in 10 min but rdy to play at 4:30

[timid yarrow]

I'm hosting a 40 rn via party finder if you wanna join

[wispy bay]

Sorry, I was in a run.

Auric mael with 3 guys quite new to the mode. They were in game voice chat and the moment they realized that I was carrying, they thank me whenever they die. Nice people.

[wispy bay]

You better sleep now.

[plucky flax]

I am in bed on my phone

[deft stump]

What is sleep anyway?

Just make highly suspect builds while messing around is the way to go.

[analog agate]

Be a real tide player. Play it on steam deck in bed

[wispy bay]

but then you have to use the controller, which is suck compare to M&K.

[analog agate]

Somehow @marble crater does it 🤷‍♂️

[deft stump]

That is what happens when I make builds half asleep.

[upper sun]

no its based

you want to be a meleeker

[marble crater]

It's very comfy

[strong gulch]

This is what I was sleepily working on. Assail trauma.

[wispy bay]

Controller is for abhuman.

[marble crater]

I don't like sciers and warp charges together, they kinda work against each other

[marble crater]

Absolute humans, yes

[deft stump]

But peril reduction. Just kill 6 elites in scriers, lul.

[wispy bay]

Every times this reply comes up, it reminds us that Cadian Cutthroat is a nice guy.

[deft stump]

Uhhh, are you calling me a psyker?

[marble crater]

Nobody needs that much peril reduction

[deft stump]

Hrmph.

[marble crater]

This looks like an actual build you can play though

[marble crater]

He is, just depressed and has PTSD, Bully is also nice and low key the smartest ogryn personality

[deft stump]

But that's just a normal not highly suspect build.

[strong gulch]

Only because your eepy build is next to it. Strategic anti-flame placement.

[deft stump]

Eh, that's still not the worst I came up with.

Ask Su.

[marble crater]

Sadly that is true

[deft stump]

And the best part, I play those builds.

This is just stupid theory craft nonsense.

Cos Scrier's lul.

[zinc phoenix]

No real reason to take ER which lets you pick up bottom node of DD and EE

And then a free point

Which I would personally spend on assail recharge

If you are really worried about quell for trauma you can go crack of bone + wrath and use your FGS to clear peril

[strong gulch]

I made this specifically to accommodate ER for comfier trauma casting.

No fgs

[zinc phoenix]

But that guts your ability to use DD A

AAAAAAHHHHH

[marble crater]

As someone who has played without ER for a few missions now I can confirm that not having it completely fucks with your muscle memory now

[strong gulch]

ye

No ER is very doable, but I hates it.

[deft stump]

Accidental blowing up.

See, why excessive peril gen reduction gud.

[zinc phoenix]

I think I’m gonna do an assail shriek dd fgs thing with maybe zap stick

[analog agate]

I remember the time when I could do only 2 blasts with trauma before having to quell…

[deft stump]

Can't blow yourself up if you get 6% peril per illisi stroke.

And like 12% for FGS.

[marble crater]

I don't need excessive peril reduction, just the normal, stable, amount I'm used to

Baby psyker has ER now, so tomorrow I can finally play EK

[deft stump]

HRMPH.

[wispy bay]

I don't know, you are an ogryn?

[strong gulch]

psykergryn

[deft stump]

You are getting 54 kraks to the face.

[wispy bay]

Bully is the smartest and also caring. However, bodyguard is the most cheerful and positive. Brawler is just dumb.

[wispy bay]

Come at me

[deft stump]

Don't need to, just throw them at you.

[nocturne dust]

Bodyguard has lines about learning stuff iirc

Bully is only the smartest when it comes to understanding their role in the Imperium

[strong gulch]

Bully likes trains right?

[deft stump]

I think everyone knows they are just a cog.

[nocturne dust]

Yes, but Bully is aware you shouldn't speak of some things unlike all the other rejects

[wispy bay]

Bodyguard wants to learn, doesn't mean he is the smartest. It is a positive trait however, hence my comment about it.

[nocturne dust]

I mean, the fact he wants to learn at all makes him the smartest

[deft stump]

To be fair, psykers don't care anyway.

Loose Cannon seen too much.

[wispy bay]

Conversations between Bully and Bodyguard are quite fun and they like each other.

[deft stump]

God damnit, I hate when trying to hold reply and a new message happens.

[wispy bay]

Bully doesn't like Brawler, and Bodyguard tries his best to teach Brawler, it's just funny.

[wispy bay]

Skill issue. I hope that you can throw your krak on me and not hit somebody else.

[nocturne dust]

Suicide reject should be a strat

Lob some kraks on your Zealot and send them in

[deft stump]

It just magnetize to you. Hitting heretics next to you is clearly fine as well.

[jovial juniper]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-space-kamikaze-explosion-gif-15875063139611313358

[wispy bay]

That's the thing, your skill issue leads to the fact that even magnetized grenade will miss.

[deft stump]

Maybe I should just spam frags then. Anyone allied to me seems to take no damage, so....

[wispy bay]

I just went back to work for a few days and already turned to a passive aggressive monkey. Need self control.

[deft stump]

That's just work. Makes you hate everything and the world.

[hearty wolf]

Tea solves all problems

[ornate hamlet]

Cogs in a machine of war. Gears of War, if you will.

[hearty dagger]

I don't have any idea what the hell is up with this year man

I have gone, suddenly and irrecoverably from "Take the L lil bro" to "Take the E lil bro".
I cannot escape the egglegations

[hearty wolf]

Whatever that means

[strong gulch]

Like people are calling you an egg?

[hearty dagger]

The world itself is

[strong gulch]

Egg meaning someone who is not out yet?

[hearty wolf]

He's saying he isn't fertile?

[hearty dagger]

Long ass story but to keep it short

I am now being referred to as an egg, as in "yeah this guy is probably trans" due to the longest possible string of misunderstandings possible

It is so stupid that i can feel the warp overtaking me.

[strong gulch]

People are transvestigating you??

[hearty dagger]

Ig?

Like, this all started because some girl in my class called me "ma'am", i told an unrelated friend to laugh about it, he misheard me, thought i said "Oh yeah my classmate misgendered me lmao, she said i was a man" when i said ma'am, then i told our OTHER friend about this, he proceeded to go "Just in case, what are your preferred pronouns?", i complained to a friend about it, found out she was trans that way, and got told "oh yeah just lmk if you're interested in that stuff"

AND IT NEVER STOPPED.

This year is not auspicious bro

[hearty wolf]

You did this to yourself I'm afraid

Now you know

[hearty dagger]

WHAT DID I DO ;-;

[hearty wolf]

Opened your mouth

[strong gulch]

People are just funnin then. Not transvestigating. That is a really hostile "practice".

The trans femme seems like she was inviting you in if you had any questions.

Hope your friends and classmates give it a rest tho.

[hearty dagger]

Hopefully

Also, if y'all make any memes like "what are you?" based on the month you're born

Please stop putting femboy in november.

I'm getting grilled over that as well.

[strong gulch]

lmao

it's so unserious

[hearty dagger]

Every last one i have seen has had that

[strong gulch]

Either way, sorry that's happening.

[hearty dagger]

It's less how serious it is and more how consistent it is

[weary crane]

I'm not sure whether to put

Carapace
Flak
Unyielding
5% crit chance

On my surge lmb

[radiant frigate]

tzeentch's machinations are proceeding as planned

[weary crane]

Doesnt the 5% crit chance with surge only calculate to 5% dmg increase

[hearty dagger]

Ngl it could even be slaanesh with how excessive it's getting

[wind spruce]

No, it doesn't not

[patent mango]

idk crit chance has like 3 uses on psyker other than damig

[tranquil sluice]

crit seems to be huge for zealot

[prime elk]

Even huger for psyker tbh

[tranquil sluice]

but how central is it for psyker? some random toughness?

[patent mango]

uh

[prime elk]

No it’s very good

[tranquil sluice]

explain please 🙂

[patent mango]

movement damage ranged dodge warp dmg

and toughness

[prime elk]

Toughness move speed immunity to range damage

[nocturne dust]

It's good, but not the end-all, be-all

[prime elk]

Yeah warp damage

Stupid

[tranquil sluice]

what talent is that and where?

[hearty wolf]

I think this is a misunderstanding on effective uptime

[nocturne dust]

mettle is toughness and movespeed

EE is ranged immunity

mettle is the top right node

EE is in the middle below auras iirc

[tranquil sluice]

[nocturne dust]

They're nice, but for staves they're not super important.

For guns they're pretty essential. At least, the meta playstyle.

[prime elk]

I remember EE being very good on Purg

[nocturne dust]

It has pretty decent uptime

but like

just slide

🤷‍♂️

[prime elk]

Other staves outside of M1 shit prob don’t benefit enough

[hearty wolf]

@nocturne dust O right btw, for havoc

[nocturne dust]

Pretty much

[hearty wolf]

For something like moebian 21st

[nocturne dust]

yes?

[hearty wolf]

What melee should I be taking with EK? DS4 doesn't work for me - the horde clear is too dogshit. Am I better off going with Ilissi?

[tranquil sluice]

does EE make you able to dodge ranged, or effectively invincible to range for 1 sec?

[nocturne dust]

Illisi or FGS

[nocturne dust]

invincible-ish

[hearty wolf]

FGS caps my movement speed too much methinks - can't usually the special often enough so illisi it is

I'll have to roll for one

I guess I'll do that now

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-madara-uchiha-madara-naruto-weakness-disgust-me-gif-17219305

[wind spruce]

You can spam the special on FGS

[prime elk]

It’s like ghost but on crit and you don’t need to waste a blessing slot

[hearty wolf]

Sounds ineffective xd

[prime elk]

Well I say waste but ghost is strong

[wind spruce]

So, like the illisi then?

[hearty wolf]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[prime elk]

You’re gonna bring down the entirety of psyker chat on you

If more people were awake

[hearty wolf]

As longs as I can kill hordes with some kind of efficacy, idrc

Ds just can't do it

[tranquil sluice]

[wind spruce]

The truth is a bitter pill

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, Illisi does kinda suck

[wind spruce]

Illisi has no place with the existence of FGS

[hearty wolf]

Can't wait to kill myself with pa

[nocturne dust]

Use mk6

FGS

[analog agate]

Fgs with EK

[nocturne dust]

never push

[analog agate]

At least for havoc

Doesn’t matter for regular

[hearty wolf]

Maybe mk3 combat knife

So I can speed away

Where is my blessing that gives me staff recoil

so I can move while firing

[wind spruce]

Mk6 is strictly better on psyker

[nocturne dust]

yes

but have you considered

I prefer the mk3 anyway

[hearty wolf]

[wind spruce]

We all have our faults

🤽‍♂️

[potent echo]

Illisi special vs FGS special

Don't worry about FGS special

[wind spruce]

Imagine if FGS special didn't have a ranged component

cries in illisi

[tranquil sluice]

i am starting to respect the mk6 shills. reliable and high heavy dmg is big.

but i dont get why people use revolvers over boltgun, i tried and i did not like it.

is boltgun not viable for a ultra-zoomy style?

[nocturne dust]

and yours is prefering mk6 knife

[wind spruce]

It's actually being wrong all the time

Jokes on you

[nocturne dust]

Revolver's speed is unrivalled

[prime elk]

Much slower gun and not on psyker anyways

[nocturne dust]

I assume they're talking about the 🅱️istol

[prime elk]

Oh yeah

[tranquil sluice]

i've been using boltgun for 19 levels, you should tell fatshark.

[prime elk]

You’ve been using the bolt pistol

[nocturne dust]

The bolt pistol is not the bolt gun

[prime elk]

Bolt gun is the big boy

Bistol is the deagle

[tranquil sluice]

oh :] funny that there is both.

[nocturne dust]

Boltgun can delete a whole horde of crushers in a clip

and is full auto

[prime elk]

They’re both very good

[nocturne dust]

Bistol not so

[tranquil sluice]

bistol is just in a pinch

[nocturne dust]

I will never like either until Fatshark actually fixes the recoil bug

[prime elk]

Yeah that’s annoying

[tranquil sluice]

just like revolver as i have seen it used, but higher dmg and seemingly higher dps on bosses

[patent mango]

fgs pilled

[tranquil sluice]

reminder that i'm talking assumptions, i have 25 hours :p

in my exp*

[nocturne dust]

Revolver hits the same BPs

meaning oneshots

[hearty wolf]

I can basically never be beaten on disabler/special kills with revolver

[nocturne dust]

for most things that matter

[hearty wolf]

It's pretty broken

[nocturne dust]

But if you're new, yeah, I can see how you might think 🅱️istol is better

[tranquil sluice]

assuming headshots right?

[hearty wolf]

ye

[nocturne dust]

Revolver is more reliant on weakspots and crits for some things

[tranquil sluice]

i'm shit at FPS, so i'll stick with bistol

[hearty wolf]

After swapping to point blank, it's so much more consistent

[tranquil sluice]

and enjoy my greatsword

[patent mango]

is point blank actually good

[jovial juniper]

Sort of yes

[hearty wolf]

Imo yes

It's extremely good with my playstyle at least

[tranquil sluice]

how many different curios are there? wondering the chance of rolling toughness on it in the mystery thingy.

[hearty wolf]

It's netting out about a 10% increase on my crit change on ranged across the mission

Across 180 specials

Extra 18 1 shot

[nocturne dust]

4

[hearty wolf]

18+ bullets saved

[nocturne dust]

Health, toughness, wounds, stamina

[hearty wolf]

if bps weren't met

I would actually run speedload or wep specialist with revolver but it's just not needed

it feels so much better tho

[nocturne dust]

See, no matter what I run on revolver, I'm going to not hit BPs. I take the time for surgical so point blank expires, but I also miss 2/3rds of my shots so surgical doesn't proc on the right bullet

I should run sustained fire

[hearty wolf]

I run both btw

Surgical and point blank

[nocturne dust]

Counterpoint: handcannon

[hearty wolf]

Which does nothing xd

[nocturne dust]

60% rending is not nothing

[hearty wolf]

Does it apply on the shot that fires it?

[potent echo]

Shot crushers and maulers 🤤

[nocturne dust]

wat? It's 60% on a crit shot

so yes

[hearty wolf]

I mean

I ain't shooting anything with cara

and I ain't shooting maniacs

[nocturne dust]

It's 15% bonus damage

[hearty wolf]

So it only works against flak for me

[nocturne dust]

on flaks

[potent echo]

It's great from range

[tranquil sluice]

how would you reliably get crit shots

[potent echo]

It's also a buff on maniac

[nocturne dust]

well idk wat revolver's ADM for flak is

[potent echo]

Surgical

[hearty wolf]

15% bonus damage on potential crit, or more crit

[nocturne dust]

luck

(and surgical)

[prime elk]

Surgical blessing is a common opting

[tranquil sluice]

surgical has you stand staring at the enemy for 3 seconds

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you don't need to guarantee the crit

[potent echo]

You don't need to get max stacks every time

[prime elk]

You don’t need to wait that long

[hearty wolf]

It's more like, you use is for 1s for 30%

[potent echo]

Also it's more worth it than reloading the revolver

[nocturne dust]

yeah, it's 10% every 0.3 seconds

[tranquil sluice]

sure you get +20-30% on the average aim.

[potent echo]

If you play revolver you would know how bad the reload is

[hearty wolf]

I just don't think handcannon works for me compared to point blank.

[tranquil sluice]

but i dont like inconsistency, unless it's for bosses ofcourse.

[hearty wolf]

You have so much time to reload

[nocturne dust]

I can't hear you over Agrippina

[potent echo]

Still bad though

[nocturne dust]

😭

[tranquil sluice]

as i understand, rending is against armor mostly? same as brittle?

[nocturne dust]

Rending is brittle, yes, but it's deceptively valuable

It helps against pretty much everything that isn't unarmored

and 1/4 of it is applied as bonus damage once you reach 1.0 ADM

so if your ADM is 1.0 to start with, you get 15% bonus damage from handcannon

[tranquil sluice]

does rending apply to that same hit that has 60% rending? so you get to oneshot more stuff?

[potent echo]

It's only on that shot

It's not a buff or a debuff

[tranquil sluice]

and brittle is a debuff on enemies?

[nocturne dust]

brittle is a debuff, yes

rending is generally the term for the buff

Handcannon is buffing only the specific shot tho and not you

[tranquil sluice]

using the word rending is confusing do reffer to armor piercing. but i'm a wow-andy, so rend=bleed to me

[nocturne dust]

we call bleed bleed

[tranquil sluice]

if i wanted to ONLY obliterate bosses, what weapon and talent notables would i pick?

[hearty wolf]

Anyway handcannon wants crit, if I don't run point blank I'm at what. 25% from BP?

I usually fire revolver before 0.3s so don't even get the 10% from surgical. I'd argue that 1s is reasonable enough to aim tho so +30%

55% chance for 15% damage boost (forget the damage calcs on additive and mult but it's crit which is 25% dmg+15= 40% dmg increase?)

So 55% for 40% dmg increase

Or 25%+20% from point blank = 45%, then add the same 1s from surgical =75%

75% chance for 25% damage increase

And since I'm killing specialists, I hit most of my bps with that 25% so we chilling

why did I type this

[nocturne dust]

ogryn

[hearty wolf]

esp when is probs wrong

[nocturne dust]

[hearty wolf]

Anyway

Placebo

[nocturne dust]

gunlugger ogryn is the boss deleter

or vet with a bolter

or zealot with a thammer and stealth

[tranquil sluice]

so psyker is generally the worst boss killer?

[nocturne dust]

Psyker has poor damage against bosses excluding Inferno staff and Vraks/Recon.

[nocturne dust]

Yes

By a lot

Inferno and Recon are only okay boss damage

[tranquil sluice]

funny i got best boss dmg last mission because all 4 of us was psyker

[nocturne dust]

I would say only Vraks is actually good

[hearty wolf]

what about zappy staff

[nocturne dust]

EK is worse than Inferno and Recon

but not by much

so it's also okay

[hearty wolf]

😭

[nocturne dust]

but only if you have +unyielding on it

if you don't....

[hearty wolf]

i do not

[nocturne dust]

[hearty wolf]

I will zap regardless

[nocturne dust]

Probably better than hitting the boss with illisi

[hearty wolf]

FGS bonk or zap

why must I decide between these two

it makes me sad

[tranquil sluice]

is there any purpose to killing demon hosts? other then fun and achivments?

[nocturne dust]

FGS bonk

better damage against bosses

but of course

more dangerous

[nocturne dust]

no

They are like witches from L4D

you are meant to avoid them

[strong gulch]

iirc EK does have inhernent boss damage.

It's mostly fine for boss damage because no ammo and can be done safely.

But yeah it's not as good as inferno. Gun is our best boss killer.

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, I soloed two bosses with EK, it's very safe and fine

just slow

[strong gulch]

Yeah. You can stay very mobile.

[tranquil sluice]

it's a very effective way to prevent people from firing stray shots

or grenades

[hearty wolf]

"prevent"

[tranquil sluice]

i've triggered at least 2 just by firing bullets at any hints of an enemy.

[nocturne dust]

the thammer zealot running up to the daemon and bonking it

only to get creamed by it

[strong gulch]

That would be me if I tried.

[nocturne dust]

That is Clad

@upper sun you know it to be true