psyker-class

[magic cipher]

Apparently lol

[wheat seal]

my wallet:

[nocturne dust]

[patent mango]

whar lmao

[nocturne dust]

Yuck

[wheat seal]

fatshark don't want to give me money

[patent mango]

i think the servers are jusjt sogged ig

[wheat seal]

so I waste 45min in this fucking Maelstrom

for no reward

[magic cipher]

Also said that mk8 does more single target/crusher damage than mk6 so I've started taking it with a grain of salt

[strong gulch]

The trauma quell cancel is impactful, but it is not necessary to do.

[analog agate]

Is it essential? No. But it is way better with it.

[nocturne dust]

Eh

[strong gulch]

To be fair, the upward stab on the mk8 DOES do more damage, but ehhh

[nocturne dust]

way better is a bit of a stretch

[patent mango]

mk8 is better to explode yourself with sg

[strong gulch]

Like, keeping blaze away stacks up is better and there is tech to keep that up but is not needed.

[magic cipher]

Yeah anecdotally I'm pretty sure the MK6 does more DPS vs crushers though, from testing both in meat grinder

[minor wedge]

So

I picked up shield infernopsyker yesterday

[strong gulch]

There's a bunch of small tweeks or mechanical techs to makes things "better" or do more damage but are ultimately not needed.

[minor wedge]

and MY GOD EMPEROR has it been a revelation

[strong gulch]

Overall through an attack chain vs a single hit you mean? You might want to talk to @nocturne dust on that.

[magic cipher]

Yeah just how fast one can kill a crusher by using heavies

[analog agate]

Not a stretch. 🤷‍♂️

[strong gulch]

I remember something happened with the testing there.

[nocturne dust]

mk6 does do more damage than mk8 on single targets

for FGS

I tested it, the mk8 push eats into your damage because it takes a lot of time just to access the stab

and the overhead swings are worse than the repeatable mk6 stab

[strong gulch]

Right. Overall damage vs a single hit are two separate conversations.

[analog agate]

Yeah… But what about that first crusher you hit? Checkmate, atheist

[nocturne dust]

wdym

[patent mango]

clearly mk8 ruins scriers uptime with those +3% peril from pa

🔥

[analog agate]

All the zealots who argue for the mk8 show how much dmg it can do with the push attack all suped up. On one guy when you enter the engagement

[patent mango]

why zealots specifically

[nocturne dust]

Ah, the joke went over my head 😔

[analog agate]

Cause the guys who always start the fights here are zealots (and Pygex 😏) who ride paradise’s ****

[deft stump]

Is this some relic jokes?

Oh.

[nocturne dust]

I mean there are a few psykers who like mk8

[celest valve]

yeah uh hi

[nocturne dust]

most of them I haven't seen play tho or are sus

[analog agate]

I like it and use it. But the weapons are so similar it doesn’t matter

[nocturne dust]

yeah, hi. I haven't seen you play.

[celest valve]

the stab attack can be repeated faster than mk6's stab, and the overhead repeat works well too

[deft stump]

I'm always sus in terms of skill, still prefer mk6 though.

[magic cipher]

I kinda like MK8 if using the FGS as my main weapon (not decided if more than MK6) but as a weirdo who enjoys it as my backup weapon, MK6 is so good

[nocturne dust]

and it's still worse DPS

[buoyant maple]

I think everyone ignored my dps test for force greatsword lol

[celest valve]

@nocturne dust why would i play with you, you're stinky and weird and i have anxiety issues playing with strangers :c

[nocturne dust]

Hey

I may be weird

I may be stinky

but nurgle's rot avoids me

[analog agate]

How would you know? He has to type in match

[nocturne dust]

Perks of being a basement dweller

[deft stump]

So stinky that the plaguefather avoids you?

[nocturne dust]

Did you do that? I didn't even know

[celest valve]

smh when not even nurgle wants anything to do with you

[buoyant maple]

Mk8 (PA stagger combo)
1431 DPS (PA + follow + H2 + H3 + H2)
1967 DPS (PA + follow + H2 + H3, PA follow needs crit, or teammate damage)

Mk8 (H2 + H3 loop)
1389 DPS (H2 + H3 + H2 + H3 + H2)
1888 DPS (H2 + H3 + H2 + H3, needs 1 crit, or teammate damage)

Mk6 (H1 + H2 loop)
1782 DPS (H1 + H2 + H1 + H2)
If PA is needed to interrupt overhead, 1286 DPS (PA + H1 + H2 + H1 + H2)

[celest valve]

for me nurgle avoids me because I'm sleeping with tzeentch

[buoyant maple]

Basically if you need to get a stagger out, mk8 pulls ahead

[nocturne dust]

wait but you didn't account for the PA in the DPS

ah I do remember

[buoyant maple]

I did

You asked me to

So I did

[dense valley]

Lol whats happened to havoc did i miss something

[past sparrow]

Took a few attempts to get a Damnation win

[buoyant maple]

That’s how mk6 ends up with <1.3k if you account for PA

[celest valve]

i will say the push attack timing is very annoying

[deft stump]

Server hamster KO'd.

[nocturne dust]

For the mk8, not the mk6

[deft stump]

I think FS staff forgot to feed it before the holidays.

[celest valve]

the mk6 push attack is for horizontal lights and heavies

[nocturne dust]

Your numbers disagree with my numbers

[buoyant maple]

Yea, I checked for mk6 as well if you need to get a PA out to stagger bulwark / crusher which is a reasonable scenario I think

[nocturne dust]

you don't need to attack for that

Just push

[past sparrow]

We're getting there

[buoyant maple]

Anyways I’ve shown numbers now

[nocturne dust]

Eh, I've literally never used it on a crusher 🤷‍♂️

Easier to just dodge

[buoyant maple]

This is with havoc’s max scaling of 5400 health crusher

If you’re looking at like, auric damnation where it’s only 3.6k health

They functionally don’t differ much

[nocturne dust]

oh wait

You're calculating BPs

[buoyant maple]

Mk6 is a little better if you’re fighting at 0% peril

[nocturne dust]

That's not a DPS test

[buoyant maple]

What

How exactly is it not a dps test

[past sparrow]

Thrust any good on the Chainaxe ?

[buoyant maple]

Do u want me to spawn a plague ogryn and stab him for 2 minutes to give u a dps number or smth

[nocturne dust]

A DPS test is purely about the damage output, and assumes the target has infinite HP or something to that effect. At least, that's what I mean when I say it.

[buoyant maple]

Yea but that’s not actually practical?

[magic cipher]

That would actually be interesting haha

[nocturne dust]

Who said anything about practicality

[buoyant maple]

Are you fighting infinite health enemies?

[nocturne dust]

[celest valve]

also kinda unrealistic tbh because like.... a lot of the heavy charging time is spent maneuvering to not die and is 'free' when you actually have a DPS window

[strong gulch]

Void is because of constant DCs.

[nocturne dust]

true

https://tenor.com/view/sad-fade-fade-away-disappear-evaporate-gif-16638726229780416323

[buoyant maple]

In that case mk8 actually pulls ahead even more

Because mk8 PA stagger immediately sets u up for a dps window

[nocturne dust]

Untrue

FGS has plenty of reach

Just hit them when they can't hit you

[magic cipher]

MK6 stab just feels so good lol

[buoyant maple]

But I’ve shown basically all practical dps situations of force greatsword variants vs havoc crushers

[celest valve]

i'm not sure that works even against ragers

[nocturne dust]

Wdym?

[buoyant maple]

I think it’s a useful reference at the very least

[strong gulch]

I keep forgetting to give the mk8 a fair try. I like the way it looks better.

[nocturne dust]

You can totally hit ragers while they can't hit you

I do it all the time on FGS

[patent mango]

i dont thnk i've used mk8 in a proper game much yet

[nocturne dust]

I have. It's eh.

I mean it's still FGS.

[patent mango]

idk just not my type of mk

[celest valve]

also whtyy i say the push attack is weird is cause you gotta like... release at exactly the right time and, unlike heavy attacks, there isn't buffering available for that

[nocturne dust]

But I have no idea what people mean when they say it has better flow, it has terrible flow

[patent mango]

im happier dodging attacks anyways

lol

[nocturne dust]

mk6 you integrate pushes naturally into hordes so you get that nice horizontal all the time

[buoyant maple]

Nah what

[celest valve]

you i think need to cancel out of the l4 attack on mk6 anyway

[nocturne dust]

and you can just immediately use a heavy to drop an elite

[buoyant maple]

What’s wrong with mk8 moveset exactly

[maiden oracle]

I haven’t gotten to a abusing fgs reach ngl

Against ragers I just heavy spam while side dodging

[nocturne dust]

It's not the mk6

[maiden oracle]

Usually I get hit and perish if there’s a horde of them

[bold cape]

overhead poke repeating combo my beloved

[buoyant maple]

Oh so the moveset is better then

[maiden oracle]

Need to remember to use a special for stagger instead of oushcattack

[strong gulch]

I chock it up to feels and vibes. You either like squelching noises or you don't.

[nocturne dust]

Only to a fool

[buoyant maple]

Nah

[patent mango]

mk8 moveset is ok needs some more funny to it really

[buoyant maple]

Moveset is better

[nocturne dust]

Not at all

You're just blinded by the easy horde clear

[celest valve]

meanwhile mk8 is like... brainless light attack spam against hordes, elites want occasional weaving of H1's in there('linesman' attack that's vertical), also the stab attack feels super cool when you knock someone down and stab them below the helmet right up into the head

[patent mango]

brainless exactly

[buoyant maple]

U still haven’t said why it’s the worse moveset

[patent mango]

its not good like that

[buoyant maple]

So that’s pretty reductive

[nocturne dust]

wdym, scroll up

[celest valve]

also h2 and h3 are strikedown attack chains which need less accuracy than the stabs

[buoyant maple]

I can’t take “it’s not the mk6” as a serious answer

[patent mango]

exactly

[celest valve]

(that's useful when you're behind enemies or in a chaotic situation where you can't easily headshot)

[patent mango]

it just needs some more to it imo

[buoyant maple]

Like, if u said force greatsword’s cleave damage distribution is garbage so mk8’s easier to access H1 advantage doesn’t matter that much, that’d at least make some sense

[celest valve]

do note the H1 is a linesman, not a smite attack. it does very poor damage to carapace

[buoyant maple]

But what’s actually the moveset advantage to mk6 from mk8

[nocturne dust]

#psyker-class message
#psyker-class message

The mk6 has better flow, you get more stabs out without wasting time on unnecessary push attacks or worrying about peril, you also get the stab directly after your ranged slice which is extremely useful because unlike the push attack its AoE stagger that may even have a bigger area than Trauma

[buoyant maple]

H1 is for horde only, I know

[celest valve]

h2 and h3 are the smites, this is why people sometimes incorrectly believe mk6 heavies do more damage

(like i did :v)

[buoyant maple]

Mk8 follows with overhead as well after special and there aren’t many breakpoint differences between Mk6’s H2 stab and overhead at 70%+ peril, so I’m not sure how big of an advantage that actually is

[celest valve]

anyway i looked it up and for the mk8, it looks like you need exactly 0.65 seconds to go from the start of the block to the stab

[nocturne dust]

at 70% peril... with what buffs?

[celest valve]

well, to the charge up. hmm.

mk8 actually has a light stab weirdly enough, but actually 1.05 total to go into the start of the heavy stab

[buoyant maple]

Warp rider? lol

[patent mango]

y'know it'd be funny if they actually buffed mk6

[nocturne dust]

just warp rider?

[nocturne dust]

They should, is very weak

[buoyant maple]

Yea

[patent mango]

its truee

[deft stump]

Honestly, just test shit with 0 talents.

[nocturne dust]

mk6 should get sprint speed

make it faster than knife

[deft stump]

Nothing affects the number.

[nocturne dust]

Okay, now add in more buffs

[buoyant maple]

Like, you don’t magically reach rager 1 taps with Mk6’s H2 stab over the overhead

And if you were looking at crits they’re not that much different either

[celest valve]

this makes heavy attacks look better because attack speed doesn't affect heavy attacks as much.

[buoyant maple]

You can test with 4 or 6 stacks of warp charges (+16~24% damage) added, it’s still around the same breakpoints

[deft stump]

Is like, the damage peril and such other things that can cause the number to shift.

[celest valve]

the feel generally for me is that mk6 is better at handling elites(ragers in particular) while the mk8 is better at horde clear and somewhat even against carapace

[buoyant maple]

The only really notable difference I found is that Mk6’s stab is inherently higher damage so it’ll get breakpoints at lower peril compared to mk8

[nocturne dust]

Or DD, or Scrier's, or Malefic, or some Soulblaze damage because DoTs everywhere

[celest valve]

the mk8 stab is higher damage, actually

[nocturne dust]

they're comparing to overhead

[buoyant maple]

I know then mk8 stab is higher damage but for some reason every person here thinks mk6 is overall much better in moveset so I’m just trying to see perspectives

[celest valve]

oh, well yeah, the stab will do more damage if it hits a weakpoint

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve been ditching warp unbound for speed and taking PC instead of warp attack toughness… but yeah otherwise that’s the gunker build I think we all use 😂

[celest valve]

part of it is extreme hatred for push attack reliant combos I think

[deft stump]

I mean, H2 of the Mk6 also does that.

[patent mango]

yeah push attack combos ruin the flow

its so bad

[buoyant maple]

Yea I mean it’s psyker chat I can’t expect that much, I still want to see actual reasonings

[zinc phoenix]

I am the sole psyker chat regular who prefers mk8

Really

[prime elk]

bro

[deft stump]

I still rather my illisi though.

[zinc phoenix]

The pa is goated and the poke while tough to land hits hard

[prime elk]

i've fought in all the #psyker-class civil wars of mk6 vs. mk8, always on the side of mk8 😠

[zinc phoenix]

Also I prefer the light light combo

[patent mango]

im always on the side of mk6

lmao

or more neutral

[zinc phoenix]

You’re a vet chat man at heart 😤

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dont-mean-that-sad-gif-14406298

i've played more psyker than vet recently at least

[celest valve]

also i'm unsure why the mk8 followup stab has more damage when i think about it. hmmm.

[prime elk]

(definitely not because of fgs)

[magic cipher]

I think for me, MK6 is great at dealing with mutants at damnation level, which is often what I pull it out for, and not needing to worry about push attacks is nice 🙂 The H2 stab is also just nice for range and ease of use. I do like MK8 also and intend to use it some more, but for the role of a backup weapon that's not concerned about ad clear but instead mutants, crushers and bosses, MK8 is nice

[zinc phoenix]

World’s smallest ogryn

[patent mango]

truee

make both do the same

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you haven't provided reasons to use mk8 either

[prime elk]

i think they intentionally wanted the two swords to be fairly close in performance

[nocturne dust]

Like, ultimately, they are largely the same, yes

[prime elk]

just so they can watch us monkeys fight

in #psyker-class

over which one is better

[nocturne dust]

Mk6 is going to horde clear easily so it's whatever

[celest valve]

no like codewise i'm not sure

[zinc phoenix]

Moveset preferences are the big thing which IMO is exactly how it should be

[nocturne dust]

si

[prime elk]

oh ok then no clue lol

[patent mango]

mk6 light combo and heavy combo are more fun so like

[nocturne dust]

I like that the mk6 and mk8 are fairly close in performance

[patent mango]

idk it just works

[deft stump]

But the relic needs more movesets, they both feel bad.

[patent mango]

i like relic mk2 but i want a better horde combo on it

[zinc phoenix]

I love mk10

[celest valve]

i forgot the difference between the two lol

[patent mango]

push heavy heavy light i think works decent

[celest valve]

but i also remember the two

[patent mango]

or something like that i dont rember

[celest valve]

one of them the light combos are right swing, left swing, stab which is actually optimal horde clear

[deft stump]

Both awkward, the more hordey one has a weird thrust at the end.

[celest valve]

the other one has right swing, left swing, smite, smite

[patent jacinth]

You can just PA chain into heavy light loop

[patent mango]

mk10 needs a wee bit more

[patent mango]

cant i just heavy light then

[zinc phoenix]

10 has a it

[prime elk]

i can't stand the horde combos on it

[patent mango]

or are those more horizontal or smth

[patent mango]

they're a little silly lol

[prime elk]

i know some people LOVE the mk2, but i can't get over the horde combos lol

[celest valve]

mk10 then I think also has the heavy combo of.... i wanna say right, left, down, up?

[patent mango]

mk2 is nice but i'd like to have a longer non push horde combo

[celest valve]

mk2 on the other hand is light attacks with right, left, smite, smite, while heavy attacks are smite, smite, right, left

[zinc phoenix]

I use push into hordes clear with 10

[patent mango]

whar attack do you call smite

overheads?

[celest valve]

you're basically intended to swap between lights and heavy attacks for mk2 for all of them

[patent jacinth]

That’s just entirely wrong

[deft stump]

Which is annoyingly clunky.

[patent jacinth]

It has light overheads first

And sweeping heavies first

[patent mango]

psyker chat trying to rember relic blade combos moment

[celest valve]

smite is generally any vertical attack that does good damage to carapace, while stab is good damage against carapace with damage tuned more heavily towards finessee

[deft stump]

Gimmie a mark like that simple evis.

[patent mango]

is smite liek an actual term in game

for those attacks

[patent jacinth]

No

[deft stump]

Just side to side on lights and bonk on heavy.

[patent mango]

funny

[celest valve]

i think it's called 'strikedown' in game

[buoyant maple]

Easier access to H1 which is better damage distribution for horde clear = generally easier to stack kills for moonlight projectile
Marginally worse breakpoints with overhead loop compared to mk6 but is easily made up for with Psyker’s myriad of buffs
Has an optional PA combo for safe single target dps that scales higher with crit finesse
First heavy immediately after draw is a left-to-right sweep which chains into H1 sweep for technically even better horde clear

[celest valve]

i call it smite because it's what the code says :p

[patent mango]

lmao

[buoyant maple]

I think it’s a little bit better but not by that much

[zinc phoenix]

Switch evis to heat style k

[buoyant maple]

Maybe 5% better?

[patent jacinth]

Sadly relic blade was designed better than that and is thus actually fun

[deft stump]

Also, fine. Just make it chew through hordes on rev up.

[patent mango]

yeah heavy evis fell off so hard

[celest valve]

coincidentally mk8 uses the 0.85x timescale for most of it's attacks, while mk6 uses the 0.9x ;p

[patent mango]

moveset creep

[buoyant maple]

Yea so it’s a tiny bit faster base atk speed

[celest valve]

about 5% yes lol

[deft stump]

More annoying imo. I already break when too much dook is happening, I don't need a complex mess while panicking.

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, none of those reasons sound interesting or better than what I put forth for the mk6

[patent mango]

give mk6 5% faster attack speed fr

[buoyant maple]

lol what

[nocturne dust]

You read me.

[deft stump]

Is why I like Knoife and DS4, they simple.

[patent mango]

thats why i don like ds4...

[patent jacinth]

It’s incredibly easy to reset your horde combo’s in both weapons

And same with the single target

[celest valve]

i like the ds4 with defences instead of cleave damage

it go yeet

[buoyant maple]

Yea I read it and it was a bunch of word salad lol I just told u that at 70%+ peril the overhead has ~same breakpoints as Mk6’s stab and is also immediately accessible after using special

[deft stump]

If my evis didn't constantly clang off flak, it would be better.

[celest valve]

er, not ds4

[buoyant maple]

What exactly is the advantage

[celest valve]

one of the marks

[buoyant maple]

“Better flow”

What better flow

Light spam?

[deft stump]

IDK, Maulers stop it mid swing which gets annoying.

[nocturne dust]

about is not the same

[deft stump]

Is mk5.

[celest valve]

YEET

press dodge, go yeet

+25% dodge distance go brr

[patent jacinth]

Because they have a ton of hitmass

[deft stump]

Points at knoife.

[patent jacinth]

Maulers stop like 90% of weapons

[celest valve]

i still lol here at someone telling me they liked the push attack overhead more because it hits the head instead of the stab which hits the torso

[nocturne dust]

The overhead is actually worse, especially once you factor in a proper Psyker build with a multitude of buffs where you will hit weird BPs at times

[deft stump]

Oh.

[buoyant maple]

Ok what are the weird breakpoints that mk6 stab hits that mk8 cannot hit under generally reachable conditions

[patent jacinth]

They have a helmet with a forced cleavestop and high hitmass on top

[nocturne dust]

You want me to memorize that crap?

[deft stump]

I tend to hit more centermass with the evis. Is why the flak thing.

[patent jacinth]

Brutal momentum weapons can get through them

[celest valve]

https://tenor.com/bu1VR.gif

[buoyant maple]

I mean, I would hope to expect factual evidence behind your statements

But you prob can’t so

What can I say lol

[nocturne dust]

and I'm not saying mk8 overheads can't reach it, I'm saying it's just more reliable on the mk6 which is nice and definitely helpful because Psyker's buffs are constantly switching around

[buoyant maple]

Besides warp charges and malefic what actually switches around very frequently for psyker

[nocturne dust]

A lot of people like to pretend it doesn't but DD does, and so does Scrier's stacking buffs

so literally all the buffs pretty much

[celest valve]

peril does if you're not very active in swapping frequently to keep it up

aka assail weave

[buoyant maple]

I can see scrier’s gaze on/off often yea

DD I think usually you’re not gonna be looking at >5 dips often unless you’re forced out of combat

[nocturne dust]

or you have an unlucky target

[buoyant maple]

Or running the 25 stack version

[celest valve]

tbh i also really like the mk8 because it feels like i can more reliably clear hordes around ragers to safely deal with the ragers compared to mk6

which is partly skill issue

[patent mango]

yeah fgs just kinda deals with ragers pretty easily

[celest valve]

mk8 lights have a wider effective arc for killing horde than mk6 lights because of the slant

(plus the faster attack speed of course)

also, needing a full push attack for the stab is a bonus for one reason specifically

[prime elk]

yeah i mean for me, it really boils down to:

mk6: marginally better single target
mk8: much better horde / mixed horde clear

[buoyant maple]

I wouldn’t be opposed to giving both force greatswords’ heavy sweep atk better cleave damage distribution

[celest valve]

it's a goddamn force push what other reason do you need it's awesome to use ok

https://tenor.com/bLYaO.gif

[patent mango]

mk6 heavy after lll has so little cleave lol

[zinc phoenix]

DD is super reliable uptime

[celest valve]

darktide please give me a telekinesis staff and my money is yours

[buoyant maple]

Force greatswords have very low cleave for “big 2-handed sword”

[patent mango]

true

[zinc phoenix]

“I Force Touch the boss in the no no place”

[buoyant maple]

They’re like 7 or smth

Which is quite funny

[celest valve]

smite and stabs tend to have 'single_cleave' templates which does as you think it does

[nocturne dust]

#psyker-class message

[celest kindle]

Super late but I meant in a team of 4

[patent mango]

is angled heavy a smite attack then?

[celest valve]

uhhhh which one

[patent mango]

after lll on mk6

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-glasses-classy-stfu-right-gif-3553782

[patent mango]

it goes to bottom right

[zinc phoenix]

If DD is going down it’s because there’s no baddies

Uptime is good

However because shitty buff bar I can’t actually be sure half the time

[deft stump]

I cast fist to the Pogryn's... place.

[nocturne dust]

I mean that's also an issue 🤷‍♂️

[celest valve]

that should chain into the H1 which is a smiter attack

[nocturne dust]

I'm not saying that's not related

[bold cape]

charles dance my beloved

[patent mango]

huh

[celest valve]

uses heavy_force_sword_2h_smiter

[patent mango]

it does cleave only like 2 guys

lol

its so bad

[zinc phoenix]

What? Why do I care about DD if there’s no baddies 😶‍🌫️

If I cannot hit anything I cannot need damage buffs 🤔

[nocturne dust]

because when baddies spawn you are at 0 stacks

[celest valve]

cleave_distribution = single_cleave

[patent mango]

help!!!!!!!!

[zinc phoenix]

Baddies usually don’t wait 2m+ to spawn

[nocturne dust]

(or less than max)

[celest valve]

it takes 150 seconds for 15 stacks to fully decay.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/moira-rose-gif-21075493

[patent mango]

with wrath its fine tho

so lol

[zinc phoenix]

It takes 1m to go to 9 stacks

[celest valve]

is the effect being making you look bad :p

[nocturne dust]

I mean, give me a video

I will literally count the uptime frame by frame

[zinc phoenix]

It’s simple math

[deft stump]

Longer if you lag as hard as I do.

Lmao.

[zinc phoenix]

6*10 = 60

[nocturne dust]

They said that about mettle too

Never trust chat

Don't trust me, don't trust you, don't trust anyone

[buoyant maple]

U can trust me
Usually

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/oyxtA2V2BXs.gif

[celest valve]

i mean if you wrote the veteran guide, yeah i usually use your stuff on other classes when looking up blessings for similar weapons while other people got their stuff updooted :v

hammer of the emperor one specifically

[buoyant maple]

Yea I wrote it

[celest valve]

fun fact did you know the brain blast proc on hit thing doesn't trigger if your damage would kill it apparently :v

[buoyant maple]

I managed to get a brain rupture hit that proc’d kinetic flayer at the same time today

On a mutant of all things

[deft stump]

It's a great ref. Untill you use it for other classes cos lazy with shared weapons.

[buoyant maple]

I could theoretically be bothered to include other classes’ melee weapons at least

[deft stump]

That's really up to you. I mean, in general, the perks and blessings are the same for the specific weapon on the 3 classes, right?

[celest valve]

hmm. anyway. bored. so looking up mettle code stuf

[buoyant maple]

The only complicated melee weapons would be zealot’s

Because of zealot’s stagger related talents

Psyker doesn’t have that kind of problem and psyker melee weapons are generally very straightforward

[celest valve]

ok proced on every hit because. uh.

iunno lol

oh, also checks on_crit, so on hit, on crit

[buoyant maple]

I fear I may be hunted by every psyker chat regular if I say force greatswords are mediocre tho lol

[celest valve]

but it has to be the first target and target number 1(this means no penetration of a wall i think)

[deft stump]

Would it be better to write it without factoring it in, but adding a note if the stagger actually means something of worth as a note?

[bold cape]

marked for death

[celest valve]

https://tenor.com/bug8B.gif

i mean they're ok for a melee weapon they're just really fun ok

[buoyant maple]

I think they’re ultimately mediocre in the grand scheme of things but they’re fun enough to use

[patent mango]

i mean

they can always buff em 🔥

[celest valve]

like kinda the main problem with them is that psyker usually wants a statstick for melee because their blitz and force staves don't really have good speed so

[nocturne dust]

Okay but consider them on Vet or Zealot

[patent mango]

maybe like slightly more cara dmg

[nocturne dust]

would they be mediocre if they could be on Vet or Zealot?

[celest valve]

when's veteran and zealot getting force powers tho

[deft stump]

You just uhhh, put a target on your head with like a billion dockets on it or summthing.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/greys-anatomy-meredith-grey-its-all-theoretical-theoretical-theory-gif-4731693673223810997

[patent mango]

yeah its over for you

except i'd be entirely ok with fgs buffs

[nocturne dust]

No hold up

[buoyant maple]

Well, I already have a template for that when I was testing for falter’s stagger breakpoints

[patent mango]

idk what you could improve that much though

maybe cleave lol

[deft stump]

Then it could be used for it, if you feel like it worth the extra time on it.

[haughty star]

yeah but the warp slice is the icing on the cake

that shit is OP AS fuck

[buoyant maple]

Would be fine for zealot maybe but I don’t think they’d even come close to veteran’s top melee weapons

[celest valve]

honestly yes the warp slice is like... you can completely ignore the warpslice and it's still decent

also the warp slice still is a melee attack with illisi warp attack behavior so

[nocturne dust]

Okay, you're cooked

[patent mango]

i kiled like 90 guys with the wrp slice once lol

[buoyant maple]

I just happen to be right on this one

[patent mango]

• pc

[nocturne dust]

Is a lotta damage tho

[patent mango]

ig on vet it'd be kinda stinky due to vet mobility

[haughty star]

yeah warp slice with PC and all the other shit going on is just nuuuuttt

[nocturne dust]

Idk how it wouldn't be very strong on Vet and Zealot unless you're only looking at mobility

[patent mango]

force gs on zealot explodes the game instantly

[buoyant maple]

The problem is that veteran has much better mixed horde & single target options

[nocturne dust]

but I think that values mobility a little too highly

[buoyant maple]

Like, compare this to Rashad

Just for comparison sake

[patent mango]

i mean rashad is defo a weapon ig

[nocturne dust]

Rashad is indeed a weapon

[patent mango]

that exists i think

[south spear]

So this is my first time asking anything here. Is there any advice on the Voidstrike force staff as a first time use?

[buoyant maple]

If u wanna compare to veteran’s top weapons u gotta compare with Rashad / power sword and I don’t think it’s a close or fair matchup for force greatswords

[patent mango]

oh god power sword

[haughty star]

don't, other than that don't use gameslantern or youtuber builds

most are garbage

[patent mango]

how do people use that its so repetitive

idk i dont think too highly of rashad

[buoyant maple]

I know, that’s why I don’t use it lol

[patent mango]

maybe its diff on vet? idk

[analog agate]

Nah. Outside of the meming/hype of it I think the majority recognize they are ok and other melee are better

[nocturne dust]

Eh, idk, is Rashad really that strong on vet? Doesn't sound right to me

[magic cipher]

Cutting through hoards with power sword looks satisfying af tbf

Haven't used it though

[buoyant maple]

It’s not nearly as impressive on psyker as on zealot / veteran

[patent mango]

fgs is by far my best melee on psyker though

lol

[nocturne dust]

Like, I agree rashad is very strong

[haughty star]

if it was just a melee weapon sure

[south spear]

I primarily use the infernostaff and wanted to learn a different one so if there's two infernostaff psykers I can swap (also to add variety in my builds)

[haughty star]

but the warp slice is crazy

[nocturne dust]

but FGS just has so much range, and damage, and it does have better attack speed (which isn't hard) than Rashad, no?

[patent mango]

i mean idk how fgs could be mediocre but if it really needs a buff i wouldnt say no

[magic cipher]

I haven't used it but there's a lot of psyker information contained here

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[haughty star]

voidstrike is okay. if you haven't tried it yet do EK first imo. it's delightfully strong in most situations

[bold cape]

bowling ball staff is peak

[deft stump]

Is funni.

[buoyant maple]

Best horde clear (better than quite literally everything else on veteran including power sword)
3 hit crusher
3 hit mauler
Stagger multiple Dreg ragers at once
2 hit gunner/shotgunner
with veteran’s red nodes active, can 2 hit bulwark
Higher boss damage compared to most other weapons (even better than duelling sword) on veteran

Only downside is you have to spec into bottom right for melee atk speed

[bold cape]

make voidstrike great again

[deft stump]

BOOM BOOM BOOM BOOM down corridors.

[thorn cedar]

I feel like they were balanced with Warp Splitter in mind tbh

[deft stump]

Hilarity ensures.

[buoyant maple]

100%

But I just cope by taking wrath

[patent mango]

i mean i did use rashad on vet with double barrel

it felt fine idk

[south spear]

Please tell me I'm right, the voidstrike is the bowling ball staff right?

[thorn cedar]

unstable and warp splitter 😎

[patent mango]

maybe im just not an axe enjoyer really

[nocturne dust]

Right, but doesn't FGS already do a lot of that?

[haughty star]

even with warp splitting they feel like they need wrath for me

[patent mango]

warp split is too inconsistent for it

[nocturne dust]

and then add in buffs from Vet on top of FGS...

[celest valve]

man when i talk to sefoni as a non-psyker she's so hostile :c

[buoyant maple]

Nah, much worse horde clear on a class that actually cares about melee horde clear

[haughty star]

agreed

[patent mango]

fgs just kinda erases hordes instantly

[nocturne dust]

[patent mango]

even without warp slash

[haughty star]

it literally does with warp slash lol

[buoyant maple]

Yea

[deft stump]

Yes. It funni.

[nocturne dust]

On top of Vet buffs?

With wrath?

Something seems funky there

[buoyant maple]

I tested with wrath and got 15s vs 50 poxwalkers (used slash immediately after getting 2 charges)

Guess what Rashad’s clear speed is

[nocturne dust]

use it at 1 charge

and also that's on psyker

[south spear]

That's all I cared about, if Imma being killing I’d like to do it in a funni way

[nocturne dust]

Is not the comparison if it were on Vet?

[south spear]

I'm running out of fire puns

[deft stump]

I love it when I actually get to use it lul.

[buoyant maple]

For poxwalkers, there’s no breakpoint difference between veteran & psyker so the number is the same

[patent mango]

if fgs was on vet it'd be so busted other than mobility lmao

[deft stump]

It's just slower than the other staves and hits peril like a truck so needs more care.

[thorn cedar]

if vet had fgs itd be mediocre

[celest valve]

btw backstab area isn't 180 degrees, this is backstab range(more like 120) :p

[deft stump]

Or dump blast radius, I guess. I keep it and dump warp resist cos funni.

[celest valve]

from the other side

[bold cape]

give vet relic blade or give psword the relic heat mechanic/blessings and nuke pcycler

[south spear]

I can handle that. I have a unique way of where I just play aroundtill something works

Its how I made my zealot

And flame Psyker

[deft stump]

I suggest emergency vent with it early on.

[patent mango]

vet feels so goofed melee wise tbh

no 2 handed wep.... its over....

[buoyant maple]

Yea I’ve axed for like 400hrs

[deft stump]

When suspiciously not relic sword for Vet?

[buoyant maple]

So few options pls give more

[patent mango]

give vet just a greatsword

no power no force

lmao

just a massive exe sword

[bold cape]

thatd go so hard

copy paste bret longsword

ez

[patent mango]

problem is canon weps for vet

that idk

[celest valve]

give vet a dueling sword + las pistol

[patent mango]

oh no

[buoyant maple]

There’re many
But most are guns

[patent mango]

lmao

[deft stump]

Nu. Dueling and bolt pistol. I wanna be commissar.

[buoyant maple]

Canonically veteran would be able to call a deathstrike missile danger close on their position

[patent mango]

canonically roof

[celest valve]

i would kill for a ranged weapon that is literally just a tactical missile call in

[buoyant maple]

Nah it would wreck like half the maps in the game

It’s a deathstrike missile

[celest valve]

lame

you just hate fun :c

[patent mango]

stinky

nerf it

[buoyant maple]

I was replying to warudo

[celest valve]

hmmm also braced fire damage on purgation flamer 18-22

[buoyant maple]

I’m down for an ability that just cripples half the Moebian 6th regiment’s manpower

[celest valve]

15-21 on inferno force staff

ok direct damage is weird.

[deft stump]

It's a warp flamer. What did you expect?

[celest valve]

oh i was more just testing stuff to see how much the direct damage matters

it seems to matter more on psyker, but that's because warpfire damage kinda sucks I guess normally?

[deft stump]

You need too many stacks lul.

But yeah, burn just generally does more.

Even doubling warpfire damage probs won't make it broken.

[patent mango]

uh oh

[pure dragon]

Can anyone hit me with a melee psyker build? I want to run the force blaze greatsword as my primary

[patent mango]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9dbb38d7-166b-42ff-8f77-af604105acbe/warp-knight-melee-psyker

this should work

[haughty star]

I use this with a recon or a Vraks MKV

[patent jacinth]

I run this with a brittleness trauma

[buoyant maple]

Nah it’s already broken

Burn has higher ADMs especially vs unyielding

[deft stump]

It just feels like I do no damage with it and is just good at staggering.

If burny stick.

[barren arch]

I actually had to force myself away from a burn build to have any fun

s fun

[deft stump]

Otherwise, only good for charges.

[patent mango]

idk i havent used inferno in like months

[barren arch]

also this is a skill issue on my end but I cant use Scryers Gaze lol

[patent mango]

its just not fun lol

[barren arch]

I either never use it or use it at the wrong times I find

[pure dragon]

What is brittleness trauma?

[deft stump]

Boomy boom stick more fun, even if it probs needs a light buff.

[patent mango]

i dont think trauma needs a buff

[barren arch]

my fav staff is the

[deft stump]

Strike.

[barren arch]

strike? the big shoe lmfao staff

I always forget the names

[deft stump]

Strike needs the buff, not trauma.

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/bC1Ll.gif

yae strike could get a buff probably

charge speed? idk

[deft stump]

Is why the double booms.

If you don't run surge on it, just why?

[barren arch]

is the two handed force sword still cool?

[patent mango]

still havent used any other melee since

not that it'll change any time soon but still

[strong gulch]

yes

[barren arch]

Ive been stuck in the middle of nowhere this entire month and I won't be out till my bday

good, good

[deft stump]

Yes, just don't ask which mark better. WW3 will happen again. Just try them yourself. They are close enough in power.

[patent mango]

mk jumpscare

erm ermm mk7 is best

[barren arch]

can I at leask ask which one looks cooler?

[patent mango]

yeah its mk6

[celest valve]

can't wait for the voidbeam staff

[strong gulch]

Brittleness is more or less rending that the whole team can benefit from vs rending for just you. Brittleness is a debuff applied to an enemy.

[patent mango]

did you just break the nda....

[barren arch]

I would like a beam staff too tbh

[patent mango]

its over...

[haughty star]

8 is the best

[deft stump]

That's taste. You can google them up lul.

[celest valve]

also petition for the inferno staff to be renamed voidblaze

[orchid cedar]

Hey how do I see how many enemies a weapon can cleave at once?

[strong gulch]

Very personal and you just started a fight.

[pure dragon]

Thank you! And is warp res my dump stat in most cases?

[orchid cedar]

I was wondering what the cleave is on the fgs

[patent mango]

voidshock voidblaze

[patent jacinth]

Yes, only Voidstrike ignores it because Blast Radius does nothing for that staff

[strong gulch]

Like asking if pie or cake is better in a food discord.

[deft stump]

Generally as a psyker.

[celest valve]

I would try mk6 first and then move to the mk8 before picking which one you like the moveset of better.

[barren arch]

noted, many thanks gamer

[deft stump]

But, but, but, my 2% larger boom area.

[celest valve]

They both look the same because you want to use the level 20 mastery skin it's badass.

[thorn cedar]

THE ANSWER IS THE MK8

[patent mango]

don wna use mastery 20 skin

too red

[thorn cedar]

WHY ARE YOU ALL BLIND TO THE OBVIOUS TRUTH

[patent mango]

i like red fav color but too brighttt

[patent jacinth]

That does 2% of your total damage after you've already killed everything with the ball

[nocturne dust]

The answer is the mk 69

[patent mango]

oh did they add a new fgs mark?

[barren arch]

nice

[patent mango]

i've only heard of mk6

[celest valve]

i'm gonna come to all of your houses and stab you in your sleep

[deft stump]

I don't care, wehhhhhhhh. Also, things kinda survive at times. >_>

[celest valve]

you won't feel anything but you'll be stabbed.

that'll show you.

[nocturne dust]

Jokes on you

I don't sleep

[celest valve]

https://tenor.com/bqYxK.gif

[strong gulch]

If we are going strickly by default skins, I think the mk8 looks cooler.

[patent mango]

i think if the blade on mastery skin

[deft stump]

Red one is faster.

[patent mango]

wasnt red it'd work out

[nocturne dust]

Where is blue skin

[barren arch]

blue is peace

and in the grim darkness of the 41st millenium there is only war

[buoyant maple]

It’s such a missed opportunity to not immediately sell skins for the new weapons

[patent mango]

lmao

[deft stump]

I would expect them to do it for easy money.

You know how ppl like to look different.

[barren arch]

I would expect the community to then be like "omfg obesefish releasing new weapons to drive up sales of skins"

[analog agate]

They did it with the pickaxe, right? The yellow skin?

[barren arch]

which isn't incorrect

[patent mango]

it'd be fine if it was decently priced and good

[buoyant maple]

That came as the 2nd rotation after SoMG update

[patent mango]

otherwise i'd complain

actually if its bad it'd be fine too i'd just not get it

[buoyant maple]

Had a glowing candle Boltpistol skin that they still haven’t fixed

[weary idol]

maybe in 2 weeks you know

[deft stump]

Not a lie, if they look nice and aren't too pricy.

[barren arch]

is the candle the iron sight

[buoyant maple]

This week will have a hotfix & new rotation

[buoyant maple]

Yea lmao

[barren arch]

cus if not thats a missed opportunity

fucking

gold

[weary idol]

gotta milk these cosmetics that people are totally buying for a full 2 weeks

[patent mango]

those weird ones they just put like 1 bone with a rope were so baddd

[deft stump]

But the mortis skin is kinda like that.

[buoyant maple]

I'd be ok with it if it's half the quality of this

[nocturne dust]

They'll fix at least one of the bugs actually bothering people instead of some obscure bug nobody has heard about... right?

[patent mango]

that ones fire

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/padme-gif-24474700

[buoyant maple]

Maybe they will finally try to remedy the connection issues that started in September when they released U&L lol

[barren arch]

thats a for honor weapon sir

does look dope though

if I used axes Id feel bad about now

[patent mango]

the connection issues werent always here??

[buoyant maple]

It got especially bad after U&L

[deft stump]

Maybe less bad.

[patent mango]

i've always had dcs lmao

[buoyant maple]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1320853427202560103/peak_fatshark_connection.mp4?ex=676b1c1d&is=6769ca9d&hm=e8b636183bba25eaeb3d87d939ee5c77d4cec4cd0164745b9d04d54d1a2381e2&

[barren arch]

fun fact thats not music

thats the sound of the FS dial up

[patent mango]

oof i dont have it that bad ever

[barren arch]

I think like 60% of the time I quit the game I crash lol

[patent mango]

i just have the usual wep anims kinda lagging out and occassional dcs with flying enemies beforehand

[nocturne dust]

https://youtu.be/vPs187vo0QM

[patent mango]

i actually reported wep anims being laggy in beta

i think it got a lot better on release lol

[nocturne dust]

DCs have been getting worse for me with every update

[buoyant maple]

I magically unlocked a full auto 13 round capacity revolver

[barren arch]

I actually reported a really obscure but also INCREDIBLY USELESS bug lmao

with force staffs

if you spammed the secondary, the like nelee

the second attack would always get interrupted by the first

like by the time the second attack is about to go out the first one just fires off again

I like to imagine I noticed it first cus who the fuck else used the melee on staffs

[deft stump]

Isn't that just 360 ping gameplay?

[patent mango]

dude i wonder how much time they spent on staff melee anims

cause theres 0 use for em lmao

[barren arch]

no it was happening even in local play

[magic cipher]

Just accidentally got the pick n mix penance with unbuffed brain burst lol

[buoyant maple]

Buff their damage unironically

I want staff’s melee damage to actually be good

[deft stump]

It happens.

[buoyant maple]

They got 22.4 cleave for some reason might as well use them

[nocturne dust]

no, dumb

[deft stump]

Or actually STAGGER.

[nocturne dust]

replace it

[patent mango]

only if it costs peril and does the respective stave's dmg

[nocturne dust]

make it imbue your melee

with staff-related effects

[patent mango]

then that'd be hilarious

[deft stump]

Like bonk force to max.

[nocturne dust]

like EK makes you stun enemies on hit with sword

or Inferno gives you true meta fire sword

[deft stump]

But the two voids be like...

[nocturne dust]

Trauma makes your sword explode

[deft stump]

So martyrdom Psyker build, kay.

[nocturne dust]

No

[patent mango]

martydom is so back

[nocturne dust]

Like it explodes the enemy

[buoyant maple]

Deal self damage

[nocturne dust]

and Voidstrike will make your sword's reach longer

[deft stump]

Mini FGS???

[nocturne dust]

BIGGY FGS

[deft stump]

That double strikes on crit, yes yes.

[celest valve]

there is an unused talent for psykers in the code that lets you vent warp peril by melee attacking I believe, and does more damage while venting this way

staff melee that is

[analog agate]

Ha

Ha

Bop bop

[deft stump]

Why FS? This would be so funni.

[celest valve]

there are a lot of unused stuff, like assail getting b ack charges on weakspot hits

you can probably guess why that one isn't used. :p

[deft stump]

Too niche.

[celest valve]

nah

it would give you basically infinite ammo :p

[deft stump]

No, the melee staff vent.

[celest valve]

oh, that

yeah probably for that one

[deft stump]

Could just be baseline into staves at a weaker lvl.

[celest valve]

'overloads' might get used though, they're basically up to +20% for one stat but up to -20% for another

but that'll probably be some major expansion with theming around it

[patent mango]

finally i can get even more finesse

[celest valve]

best i can do is +20% warp resist, -20% damage

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/view/rain-world-slug-pup-slugpup-rainworld-golden-slugpup-gif-10782127558544416935

[deft stump]

???

[celest valve]

unused stuff still visible in the scripts :p

there's likely other problems as it is right now too, can't just be flipped on

[patent mango]

flips on

within 3s 2000% damage ds4 bug appears

[celest valve]

that (probably) won't happen, the code base is... .decent, for the most part, aside from some oopsies when it comes to merging code apparently

i am almost certain that the psyker rending talent worked in testing.

[patent mango]

lmao

10% rending moment

[celest valve]

yeah the most likely reason why it doesn't work(or rather why the error that causes it to not work is there) is because of a merge request conflict :p

the line the error is in is in a very large line likely to be edited by any other rending changes.

[deft stump]

To be fair, how long has it been broken?

[celest valve]

since it was added

i mean i admittedly have not sent a support request going YO. DEVELOPERS. IT IS LITERALLY THIS LINE OF LUA CODE RIGHT HERE FIX IT AND IT WORKS AGAIN

[deft stump]

Maybe you should.

[celest valve]

ALSO PLEASE MOVE THAT TO A BUNCH OF DIFFERENT LINES SO MERGE REQUEST CONFLICTS DON'T DO THIS AGAIN

[deft stump]

I smell QA incompetence again.

[celest valve]

again, it probably worked for QA.

likely because the changes were tested seperately however, they all worked, but then you merge them together and ooop this one talent didn't work anymore.

because two things affected a single line

[deft stump]

Ah. But shouldn't you also test that?

[nocturne dust]

Yes

But QA is always the first thing to get axed/ignored/abandoned

[deft stump]

True.

_>

[celest valve]

i am uncertain, and it is possible that it was known but shipped anyway due to being a minor enough issue.

[patent mango]

talent had effect so unnoticeable they didnt catch it being bugged

[nocturne dust]

I'm sorry, did you say have the entire program on a single line?

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-gif-25608698

I've seen that in actual production before 💀

[celest valve]

....that's fine as long as it's an obfuscation program doing that and not actual practice.

[deft stump]

Is this an indie game? Please tell me it's an indie game.

Or well, app/program.

[patent mango]

coded entirely by 1 shark

[bold cape]

goddammit i updated some mods and now crosshair hud is totally broken

[magic cipher]

Mission just got aborted while I was on the post game victory screen, there goes my rewards 💀

[nocturne dust]

Uh, no, I don't work on games generally

[deft stump]

Yep. Losing rewards randomly playing Auric Damnation hurts. Since pain and getting nothing?

PAIN.

[nocturne dust]

I want to be paid

[magic cipher]

Exactly what happened to me 😭

I need the diamantine for when I eventually level up my Zealot

At least using trauma staff was fun lol

[deft stump]

You mean TRAUMATIC experience.

Glares at the trauma staff.

[nocturne dust]

The name change was traumatic

😏

[magic cipher]

Traumatic for the enemy maybe 👀 Crushers falling over so much they probably have some head trauma

[deft stump]

Is more for me.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/star-trek-hes-dead-jim-gif-11747425

[deft stump]

To be fair, 300+ ping trauma staff is probably worse than any other staff.

Even with how Purg staff fails to stagger half the time.

Like the poke on DS.

[magic cipher]

That sounds awful

[carmine warren]

finally!

[deft stump]

Eh, is fine. As long as the carry is playing comfortably.

[magic cipher]

Idk if others feel this way but I think I prefer rending trauma to fire trauma

[deft stump]

I just run Blazeaway and crits.

And spam lmb, lul.

[magic cipher]

Better for killing big stuff and I like the increased cast speed

[nocturne dust]

Some do, some don't

It's definitely regained prominence with Havoc

[magic cipher]

I should really try havoc at some point

[dense flume]

Um, anyone know if KF procs count towards damage for Malleus Monstronum penance? Trying to throw a build together to make this as easy as possible

[deft stump]

Just ask in Oggy for a tank. Or well, a meme build Psyker.

Have them provoke DH and AFK tank.

GO as a 4 so bots don't KS the kill.

Have the other two deal with random disablers and such.

[dense flume]

Ooo ogryn channel, scary lol but alright I'll give it whirl. Thanks

[nocturne dust]

or just let the bots die

[deft stump]

I guess that works as well.

[dense flume]

3 people to help? Seems unlikely

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sacrifice-evil-bosses-shrek-lord-farquaad-some-of-you-may-die-gif-16648565

[deft stump]

Also, if you lucky.

The bot pulling aggro means you have alot of time to BB the DH.

For some reason, the bots are really good at not dying to DH.

Assuming nothing else is around.

[dense flume]

Oh that's an interesting idea. Never considered the DH

[nocturne dust]

cuz all they do is block

and they have lots of stamina

[dense flume]

I mean, a deflect force sword could even do that

[deft stump]

I know, why meme build Psyker.

[dense flume]

Ohhh got it

[deft stump]

I basically afk tanked for someone who asked while we were just grinding.

FGS makes it easier.

[maiden oracle]

I can help you with the penance rn if you want

[deft stump]

Barely hit 37% peril and he screwed up a few times.

[maiden oracle]

The bots never do enough damage to put your penance at risk if you just only brain burst

[deft stump]

I had a bot KS mine.

Somehow.

Got it on a Pogryn by accident after.

[nocturne dust]

Who gets the kill doesn't matter

[deft stump]

It does. I did 70% of the damage but bot got the final hit.

[maiden oracle]

Only feasible way I can see that happening is someone hijacking the servers and making the bot actually attack the boss instead of spending all their ammo on missing a roaming poxwalker

[nocturne dust]

It doesn't.

[maiden oracle]

It didn’t for me

[nocturne dust]

I got it without getting the kill.

[maiden oracle]

Same

[deft stump]

Then no clue, I didn't get mine on the DH kill even when doing most of the damage.

[nocturne dust]

Game literally just cheated you

[lethal delta]

yeah, don't need to get the kill

[deft stump]

Since friend is AFKing as a slab.

So, not doing damage.

[maiden oracle]

Unfortunate

[deft stump]

But hey, the Pogryn after got brain bombed to heck.

It solved itself.

But usually the safest way is 4 man so you can be sure you do 100% BB damage.

Blame server if no popup then.

Or you forgot to use private mode.

[nocturne dust]

There has been the bug where you try to start a private match and it's actually public despite properly entering a private match

but unsure how widespread/consistent that one is. It's at least fairly uncommon.

[deft stump]

Only if you do random missions, I think.

[zinc phoenix]

Does havoc count as private game?

[deft stump]

Technically, yes.

I'm not sure if you wanna aggro a DH on high havocs though.

[zinc phoenix]

Doing MM at h40 would be hilarious af

[deft stump]

For you.

The pain.

[nocturne dust]

Yeah that would suck

imagine if it was on a ranged resist boss

[zinc phoenix]

“Guis guis lemme just chew thru 75k of bon health with bb”

“Oh it’s green bon”

You’d be there for a week

[carmine warren]

how much warp resist do you want on the inferno staff?

[strong gulch]

Warp resist is the dump stat and 60 is fine.

[carmine warren]

i got this, should i maz out strength?

[strong gulch]

If you want a really low WR build, you can gamble your mats away for a lifetime.

[strong gulch]

You speficially want burn 76+ and cloud radius 80. That is the bare minimum.

I don't like dumping quell, but the rest of the stats are up to up.

[carmine warren]

wr would be 13 if i did cloud rad to 80, that good?

[nocturne dust]

I recommend having at least one Inferno staff where you take it to max stats

[carmine warren]

got laods of them trying to roll this

[strong gulch]

If ur chasing low RW you want everything max with WR being as low as possible, but that is a niche playstyle.

I would save this one and make another one tbh.

Assuming you don't have a max stat one with dumped WR

[carmine warren]

nope

[charred fossil]

Is the blaze away blessing any good on the inferno force staff?

[deft stump]

IS OP. It works on every m1.

[nocturne dust]

Best in slot, bar nothing

Literally no better blessing in any situation

[charred fossil]

Good to know, thanks!

[undone thistle]

Huge fan of this class very survivable, decent damage great utility and assistance.

Looking for a way to increase my mobility and damage output. Would also be nice to see better in the dark/ see through my sword shield 🤣.

Any tips?

[strong gulch]

Can you use mods?

[deft stump]

Looks like he's a PS player. So nope, stuck with the I'm blind shield.

[magic cipher]

Trauma staff is so good lol

Which is funny because I thought it was complete dog when I was levelling up

[deft stump]

Look, it's just me who hates it. I don't get it and stairs hate it as well or it hates stairs.

[magic cipher]

Aiming that circle do be dodgy sometimes lol

[strong gulch]

It is a pile a poo low stats. Trauma has the widest scaling of the staves and thus scales hard with max stats.

[patent jacinth]

Right tree is where all the damage and speed is

[magic cipher]

It's also so easy to kill yourself with trauma when starting out

Empyric resolve is huge for it

[strong gulch]

I do not agree with fatshark making it the first staff you can unlock.

[wicked hornet]

I'm the same but I hate inferno staff. I can do good damage with it and have come close to 1 mill a few times but I just hate it. idk why it doesn't mesh well with me.

[magic cipher]

Unsure what I did but I got 3 levels of a penance at once

[tepid current]

I still believe trauma beasts Inferno outside of Havoc

[deft stump]

Basically. I know it can be good, I have seen people use it to really good degree. On me it's like... I'm better off pulling my Illisi out, isn't it?

[strong gulch]

That being said, being a level 12 psyker with a dang near fully upgraded fire trauma/ voidblast is funny.

[tepid current]

Everytime i come acrooss someone using tanners build and I use Tanners trauma build instead of my Infernus with rending Shockwave, I always outdamage and out kill the other player

[magic cipher]

Yeah inferno is fantastic when it's needed but trauma covers a lot of the same ground and also fucks up the things that give inferno a hard time. All that inferno damage probably isn't needed much until havoc

[tepid current]

Just had a great game now doing it with someone using his build and i trauma Tanner build

Also you are safer with Trauma as you can dominate Crushers cus of Knockovers

And Bulwarks

Safer for everyone

Also being able to pop Poxbursters at longer range with Trauma is nice

[orchid cedar]

Makes you feel more passive or less involved in the combat since you're holding down m2 basically?

[magic cipher]

Yeah killing pox bursters with trauma is super satisfying

Especially when it's a chain of them

[tepid current]

I didn't really like using the Infernus, but I know how to play with it properly now

Positioning is key

Knowing when to M1 vs M2

Having Uncanny Strike is definetely needed on Infernis Staff build for when armour comes, nicely melt Packs of Crushers then

[wicked hornet]

When using the inferno staff I feel I need bubble and when gunners and things at range are just shooting at me and I can't do anything with the staff due to how far away they are. I have to BB or try and re position and get close to feel any impact. With Trauma or EK they have great range and it doesn't take much to get into range to deal with them. I just feel useless at times.

[tepid current]

Any build where DOTs are a primary damage contributor needs Uncanny for best Results

[undone thistle]

Idk? I'm on ps5

[tepid current]

Ahhh he hasn't heard folks!

You need Empathic Evasion

Makes Gunners no problem what so ever

While channeling

You can walk into packs of Gunners and Snipers as as long as you are channeling, you can't be shot

[analog agate]

It does

[undone thistle]

Soooo true

[tepid current]

Empathic Evasion is right next to One with the Warp

[analog agate]

Tanner has a VB build? Would love to see it

[tepid current]

Literally god mode with Infernus

[analog agate]

For his lack of KF and ER

[tepid current]

Basically his Trauma build, I belive he mentions you can use Void as a substitute in one of his videos

[hearty wolf]

@nocturne dust I woke up thinking about the poxburster event xD

[analog agate]

Trauma and VB are the same

I am shitting on Tanner btw

[wicked hornet]

so what node would you take on a Infernus staff if you had to choose one. Soulstealer or One with the warp

[tepid current]

Not really. Trauma is abnout AOE Fire or AOE brittle. Void is a Sniper with |Cleave and a smaller explosion

[analog agate]

….

VB is void blast

[tepid current]

I don't see anyone using Void

Oh right

I hatew how they changed the names lol

[analog agate]

Si senior

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/schults-knows-nothing-gif-18346714

[magic cipher]

One with the warp always

But maybe both

[tepid current]

Bothj of course

[strong gulch]

Look into if you can. Iirc PS5 can mod but xbox can't.

If you can. Clean force block will let you see through force melee block.

[tepid current]

Non Havoc Build

[analog agate]

For regular gameplay? Both. I don’t bother with one with the warp in havoc

[strong gulch]

Infernus is a blessing.

Inferno is the staff.

[magic cipher]

I'd get rid of essence harvest personally

[strong gulch]

I know that's splitting hairs but fatshark and its naming grabage.

also making posts searchable

[wicked hornet]

what was the point of renaming the staffs? was it lore reasons.

[magic cipher]

Oh sorry I thought you were the guy asking for advice lol

[zinc phoenix]

its better in havoc too

[tepid current]

When loads of Elites are heading towards you, this makes it so you are (amung other soruces) Generating constant toughness

Even at max warp charges, you will still get the effect

[strong gulch]

I think it was because some weapons and blessings etc shared name... so they wanted to avoid confusion...

[tepid current]

Havoc Infernus Staff

[wicked hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/meonly-gif-19710542

so we got different confusion

lol

[magic cipher]

Understandable, I think our builds are mostly the same but you take essence harvest and warp expenditure while I take kinetic deflection but I'd be happy with either setup