psyker-class

[plucky flax]

Hey I am flying away today.

[deft stump]

Wait, I don't.

[plucky flax]

We didn't have opportunity to play. But I was lagging hard anyway.

[untold niche]

yeah once i read you said you were lagging hard and needed someone good i was like nope lol.
Also, safe travels.

[deft stump]

Just play when back in EU. I did 26 on EU ping. Is fine.

[graceful geyser]

automod blocked it because it had NSFW in it. I'll report it.

[plucky flax]

Haircut here was so cheap and nice. 110k vnd which is like 4 pounds lol

[graceful geyser]

like the word, NSFW

[untold niche]

ngl i don't think the term should be banned.

[plucky flax]

Back home I pay 27 pounds

[untold niche]

i like the food the most.
did you try their banh mi

and their spring rolls

[plucky flax]

Yeah I had it twice.

Very soft and light banh mi.

[graceful geyser]

I agree, I think there are a bunch of predefined terms tho so we have to adjust when we catch it.

[deft stump]

Seems about right.

[untold niche]

here a haircut is like 5-12 dollars
5 dollars for neighbourhood ones and 12 dollars for those with a vacuum at the end

50 dollars is if they wash your hair

[plucky flax]

I had hair wash too after the cut. It was so good I gave the guy 200k.

3 pounds tip pog

[untold niche]

thanks dude

[unreal yew]

what do you for elites?

[untold niche]

its very big money to him

[unreal yew]

and horde

[deft stump]

No joke.

[unreal yew]

I like to play psyker as a mage. Only get in melee when it's needed

[deft stump]

What you think is less than a coffee is actually a decent meal.

[weary idol]

weakness

[untold niche]

elites use your ranged
Of course ragers you could melee them.

But like the other melee elites like mauler, crusher and bulwark, just use your ranged dude. you are playing psyker

[deft stump]

You stroke and slash. No joke. All you can really do other than ping and hope someone helps.

[untold niche]

Even pre rework i just stand and shoot at the 3 crushers with voidstrike at melee range.
Psyker is busted if built correctly and you limit test

[weary idol]

I dunno, die?

duelling sword, deimos force sword, and the force greatswords can stab them in the face

[untold niche]

what are you running on ranged? @unreal yew

[weary idol]

Obscurus has a 1 shot combo for some of the big boys

[untold niche]

btw i win 100% of the time

[deft stump]

Stroke bonk, hope it hits the hed.

[weary idol]

no

ah

it's heavy 1, uppercut, stab

can kill crushers nearly instantly with enough damage boost

[graceful geyser]

I win 100% of the time, 50% of the time

[weary idol]

I win 100% of the time that I'm not losing

[untold niche]

im going to report you to the warden's warden

[deft stump]

Well, that's guaranteed. You can rng without super boost.

[untold niche]

im going to report you as well

[deft stump]

Not even sure how it happens in damnation test room.

[unreal yew]

eletric force staff

[untold niche]

if you are using purge or surge (heh heh)
Purge: you wouldn't run illisi, run ds4
Surge: heh heh x2 (backpedal and surge more) heh heh x3

oh ok then surge

heh heh

ok, surge has a tech though.

that you can surge faster

wheres agentchaos

need his clip

[plucky flax]

😩

[untold niche]

send surge quell cancel for this d00d thanks

[plucky flax]

No it's impossible to do.

No one is ever that good.

[untold niche]

stfu all you have to do is rebind some keys
Even my grandmother can do it

did they patch it out?

anyway iirc its surge --> quell for a tick --> go back to surge

[weary idol]

wow I might use that if I ever stop thinking surge staff is boring

[deft stump]

Just spam both buttons, it's ezy.

Just -100 accuracy.

[untold niche]

oh no its blitz cancel

[plucky flax]

Quell cancel first then blitz cancel after
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1231660725143994519/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_5.mp4?ex=67723230&is=6770e0b0&hm=fd055b2c04c33d38f89ff0b18bdfe70d6b5d825758650df37096dc110686fba4&

[untold niche]

ah, haven't seen lightbringer in a while.

[weary idol]

how these people play with these hideous UIs is beyond me

[untold niche]

@unreal yew yep if you wanna get better at that staff you could learn this
Otherwise, your only choice if you are swarmed by elites is back pedalling with slide

because illisi doesn't deal alot of damage to cara

[upper sun]

ok

[unreal yew]

is the force greatsword good?

[upper sun]

if anyone ever cites Mr E on anything about psyker

kill him

[weary idol]

yeah

[patent mango]

its peak

[weary idol]

extremely fun and very good weapon

[patent mango]

biggest issue is losing charge mid special activation if u get hit

maybe they'll fix it someday idk

[plucky flax]

I know I can never. Vanilla gaming for me. All mods users are cheats.

[deft stump]

If you can deal with the lack of mobility on it.

[deft stump]

SUS.

[plucky flax]

[patent mango]

i like the kill tracker mod it has a heckin kill combo system

[plucky flax]

50+ combo on big sword be like

[patent mango]

🔥

[plucky flax]

I tried irosk's puncture force slash meme.

It's meh.

[summer prairie]

you need four people doing it at once

[unreal yew]

I play ogryn, what is mobility?

[deft stump]

IDK man, I can't go near Oggy cos of the lack of mobility.

[earnest sand]

There is no way to increase bubble durability right?

[radiant frigate]

suppress the things shooting at your bubble to protect it

[upper sun]

make another bubble inside the first bubble

i believe primarch LION EL JOHNSON used this method of defence

[earnest sand]

The bubble toughness regen can stack no? If there is like 2 bubbles in top of each other.

[upper sun]

im not even kidding

that was his entire defence strat circles within circles

[upper sun]

yes

ive had like 5 toughness regen auras at once in one game

it was disgusting

chaos spawn did zero damage to everyone

[earnest sand]

I believe you I got my stuff going I can do bubble in bubbles so I'll try that I've been just waiting for bubble to pop to place a new one

[unreal yew]

what does the white bar from force greatsword mean?

[weary idol]

it affects how much damage the activation does

[upper sun]

the amount of enemy souls youve eaten

[weary idol]

1 bar will kill poxwalkers n' shit in a decent range

2 bars will kill anything up to gunners

(varies based on your build obviously)

[pine shore]

If I am using DS with agile, do you think I need +3 stamina? Or is agile going to get me out of anywhere even without stamina

[radiant frigate]

mmm 50% toughness per second

[weary idol]

I dunno why you'd want stamina to begin with

on any weapon

on Psyker of all classes

[pine shore]

What

[earnest sand]

I think he means his curios +3

[weary idol]

the class with the lowest stamina regen delay

[pine shore]

Ah yes, I love running with 2 stamina and not being able to push anything

[radiant frigate]

double block capacity

[patent mango]

ds got that base 2 stamina on psyker 🔥

[weary idol]

why are you blocking intentionally

also kinetic deflection

[patent mango]

or 3 i dont rember

[pine shore]

2

[radiant frigate]

doubled too

[weary idol]

bam now your perils are your stamina

[pine shore]

DS has 2 base staminam which is horrible

[patent mango]

ok 2 yea

[pine shore]

+3 stamina curio more than doubles it

[weary idol]

more than doubling a dubiously useful resource doesn't make it more useful to have

[deft stump]

AFK tank DH in a corner for ppl to get Monsterum Penance.

[weary idol]

why would you not just use Ogryn and press your special button with shield for that though

[pine shore]

Because I am not ogryn?

[weary idol]

also you don't even need to do that anymore you can get that penance playing normally

[radiant frigate]

you will be singing a different tune when you end up needing it all of a sudden

[deft stump]

Cos I hate playing Oggy the rest of the match.

[radiant frigate]

also ragers

[deft stump]

It's private game though.

[weary idol]

you can just run a stupid double shield brain rupture build

yeah I know

only thing stopping it from being attainable in a normal match atm

[earnest sand]

That's like one of my last psyker penance is that dumb private game one 😂

[patent mango]

i h avent even completed all psyker penances tbh

[weary idol]

brain ruptures speed increase on ability activation stacks with double shield

[haughty star]

they really need to fix the audio ques in this game lol

[weary idol]

so it gets twice the bonus

and then you get a celerity stim

and by the time that stim is over you've done about half the monstrosities health

very funny

[earnest sand]

Agreed the ninja crushers are annoying

[patent mango]

stealth ogryn build confirmed

[weary idol]

I haven't had audio issues with crushers myself

but basically every special seems to have something deeply wrong with its audio

pox bombers are fucked, and have been fucked since they were added

[deft stump]

Still, how many ppl do you think know about that? Some just want it. And the easiest way is a Psyker with +9 and block effis and FGS AFKing and hoping the other 2 or bots don't KS.

[earnest sand]

Idk maybe cause I'm on PS5 I've had some noticeable audio issues.

[patent mango]

this games audio is just sogged

[weary idol]

but like poxbursters appearing from around a corner completely silently

even when not near spawn doors

[deft stump]

Or Oggy, but really, Oggy feels kinda bleah to play if you played any other class first.

[weary idol]

dogs regularly not playing sounds and just jumping at you without a sound other than their leap noise

[pine shore]

So, I shouldn't run +3 stamina?

[patent mango]

huh with ds its good

[weary idol]

Not unless you're doing a meme block build I wouldn't

Psyker has the shortest stamina regen delay of any of the classes

you can more or less do infinite push attacks just by default

[earnest sand]

I run one +3 on my knife and ds loadouts and i like it

[deft stump]

+3 is usually good enough unless you want to do funny memes.

[earnest sand]

Is tactical axe any good on psyker?

[weary idol]

not really

it got super power crept by duelling sword

[deft stump]

Just use DS4 at that point.

[weary idol]

especially now that everyone else gets it

[earnest sand]

Ah lame it looks cool 😂 ty though

[weary idol]

It's not bad it's just directly outclassed in its niche

[deft stump]

Like super outclassed.

[weary idol]

It's certainly faring better than devil claw sword

[deft stump]

Claw only has one use. You can laugh at crusher overheads.

Parry it.

[weary idol]

claw not having block/parry based blessings is so stupid

given the amount of weird shitty block blessings that other random weapons get

(looking at you shock maul and relic blade)

[earnest sand]

You can't get deflector on devil claw ?

[deft stump]

That's only on force swords. Normal and great.

[earnest sand]

Ah gotcha makes sense

[radiant frigate]

imagine if fgs had a funny parry

[earnest sand]

A charged parry 🤔

[dense flume]

Do you shriekers wait for 100 peril before using it? Ideally, I mean... Apart from when you need to shriek reactively

[radiant frigate]

83.3+

[zinc phoenix]

In fairness the interaction between the special parry and kinetic deflection is so goated I don’t care 😂

Parries only cost a little bit of peril so you can run around parrying everything to death forever

[radiant frigate]

if only the rest of the weapon didn't suck so much

[zinc phoenix]

If parry was on an actually good weapon it’d break the game and no one would use anything else 😂

Dclaw is already strong enough that you can parry spank crusher hordes and bosses to death

[dense flume]

That's... More specific than I thought lol. But usually you want peril to be 80+ for all your talent buffs. Just asking cause every so often I'll get nabbed by a stray maniac right when I hit 100 and was about to shriek and it's just insta-downed

[radiant frigate]

but it is funny to look at rager packs and just spam special at them

[patent mango]

idk dclaw is meme tier rn

[radiant frigate]

dclaw mostly gets fucked up by the godawful blessing pool

[gilded anvil]

Out of curiosity, has anyone done malleus monstronum before? I've just ran 2 games where I get 50%+ dmg at least on the monstrosity with bb before killing it, but no reward :(

[patent mango]

needs private gam

[radiant frigate]

private games or nah

[gilded anvil]

Was private game :)

[patent mango]

ermmm what the scallop

[zinc phoenix]

No in the three years the game has been out no one else has done it and you are the very first to try

[gilded anvil]

THATS WHAT IM SAYIN

[dense flume]

Heresy+?

[gilded anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/nikolas-sad-chat-bubble-discord-reaction-rain-gif-13671655099393727488

embed fail

laugh at this user

[gilded anvil]

Heresy difficulty yeah

[patent mango]

https://tenor.com/bVTn5.gif

[upper sun]

i can help

[mental rock]

Weakened monstrosities don't count apparently

[upper sun]

u in game?

[gilded anvil]

Forgot about that!

[upper sun]

they do

[gilded anvil]

sure am, whats your steam?

[upper sun]

no need for steam

just invite me using the fatshark code

[mental rock]

U sure? I've had multiple people tell me weakened ones didnt work

[upper sun]

yes

im not just sure

im hiv positive

[mental rock]

I got the penance like on release so could never test it

[upper sun]

do you need it too?

oh

[gilded anvil]

6746067317 is the digits, dont tell anyone else though

[dense valley]

yo tf

[upper sun]

if you're shy delete that you can just use mine to invite me

[gilded anvil]

its ok ive got my anxiety meds, ill be fine

[upper sun]

do you have a build ready?

[gilded anvil]

yep, it's not 100% but yes it'll work

invite again, was in discord lol

[upper sun]

ye

do you have the BB upgrade?

[radiant frigate]

what if both bb upgrades

[gilded anvil]

as in?

[radiant frigate]

so you can cast headsplosiom while casting headsplosion

[gilded anvil]

i think i only got the B upgrade, not BB

[upper sun]

i recommend something like this

[gilded anvil]

i aint readin allat

nah ty ty

[upper sun]

the BB upgrade makes you charge alot faster when you ult

and with double wall you can do it twice

[gilded anvil]

ah yeah i stopped using it due to warp siphon things

HOLUP lemme change up the build

[upper sun]

text in game when ur ready

[radiant frigate]

I-LET-YOU-SOLO?

[deft stump]

I hunting that annoying penance, so vent when my char puts her hands to her face, yes.

[gilded anvil]

my game crashed LMAO

[radiant frigate]

is that penance annoying?

[upper sun]

its ok just rejoin

[radiant frigate]

i think it's on the tamer side

[gilded anvil]

definitely seems that way now, used to be 90% i believe

now just 50

[upper sun]

i tried doing it at 90 a few times a while back

[deft stump]

Is more having to do it so many times. I don't really accidentally go over that much anymore unless dookshow happens.

[upper sun]

now my ogryn exists to do that penance for people

[haughty star]

i like ogie wogie

[deft stump]

Unless you mean MM, then err, I can drag my Psyker and tank for someone if need be. Just keep anything that can instabreak toughness off me.

DH anyway.

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/omg-what-is-my-purpose-rick-and-morty-robot-gif-11408868

[radiant frigate]

my ogryn barely exists

i did all ogryn class penances except "play 100 games of ogryn"

[upper sun]

how did you do 1000 taunts 😭

[radiant frigate]

well first off i barely played ogryn before the penance rework

and then i just have a really loud voice

[upper sun]

damn

[gilded anvil]

+rep @upper sun true chad getting me my malleus monstronum done in 20 minutes

[upper sun]

i have all the penances for all the classes except 2 for ogryn

taunt and heavy hitter take so fucking long to do

[gilded anvil]

im assuming they're grinding penances rather than special condition?

[upper sun]

ye

[gilded anvil]

i still gotta make an ogie, so i dont know them :D

[upper sun]

kill 5000 enemies with 5 stacks of heavy hitter

and taunt 1000 enemies

[gilded anvil]

lmao

[upper sun]

the issue with heavy hitter one is it doesnt count enemies killed by bleed

so you gotta do it at heresy instead of damnation

[magic cipher]

Is EK staff with bubble a build that's worth using?

[zinc phoenix]

choosing to play ogryn is the videogame equivalent of giving yourself a purple nurple and a wedgie

[upper sun]

sounds like you dont enjoy disassociating mid game

half my ogryn playtime i only wake up when a teammate dies or something

[patent mango]

ogryn gameplay is just minecraft

[upper sun]

nah pick is too much gameplay

what you need is SHIELD

[patent mango]

nuh uh!!

[upper sun]

ive almost fallen asleep several times playing shield

[inland ice]

h1 h2

w

[patent mango]

so eepy

[deft stump]

Isn't that just DS but you need to spam dodge as well?

[ornate hamlet]

Whats the best optimal height?

Just got back grocery shopping

🥱

[fluid forge]

banh mi is amazing

[ornate hamlet]

?

[magic cipher]

Are there any voidstrike staff builds that hold up at high difficulties rn?

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker best hight???

[ornate hamlet]

Sorry im new

[deft stump]

Short if you like safety to crouch hide. Tall if you wanna take heds with easier hedshots.

Short also to allow taller teammates to shoot over you.

[ornate hamlet]

What about a normal height like everyone lol

Not sticking out or being a dwarf lol

[deft stump]

You get nothing then.

[ornate hamlet]

Hhmm ok

[deft stump]

No pros, no cons.

[ornate hamlet]

So either max or min lol

The middle is worth nothing

On

Ok

[deft stump]

Size also affects hitboxes.

[haughty star]

The block agro talent goes towards taunt

[deft stump]

More apparent on oggy btw.

Small oggys can fit through certain spots.

[plucky flax]

I assume you're from America? I guess there is a big Vietnamese community there the banh mi should be very authentic.

[deft stump]

Big ones gotta go the long way round.

[fluid forge]

I'm aussie but living in canada atm

tons of pho places

[plucky flax]

Hmm...

I can't say for NA. But the Vietnamese places in UK are really bad and unauthentic.

Even the shops ran by Vietnamese people.

[fluid forge]

common UK L

[deft stump]

Is to fit the taste of bland.

[plucky flax]

Yeah it's so bland and bad.

And there's this pho chain but it's not even cooked properly.

[deft stump]

I heard UK food is bland.

[plucky flax]

It's made for white people.

[upbeat kestrel]

yes it is

because brits dont have taste buds

[deft stump]

So, I expect whatever is sold there is made more bland to fit the local taste.

[plucky flax]

I had a more upscaled pho in Saigon a few weeks ago and omg it was so amazing.

Pricy for the local (it's still only like 3 or 4 pounds per huge bowl)

[blissful solar]

meanwhile white people: pizza

[upbeat kestrel]

chinese/vietnamese places in Poland are good and fairly cheap

[deft stump]

They add pineapple to it.

[upbeat kestrel]

while being better than other fastfoods

[plucky flax]

...I like pineapple on pizza

[blissful solar]

such a thing isnt that bad, though i dont like it that much

[upbeat kestrel]

Aliens

you three

[deft stump]

Wat.

[blissful solar]

karien, despite her dislike of pineapple on pizza, is also an alien

just how it is sometimes

[upbeat kestrel]

excuse me

you two

[blissful solar]

i dont think i'd ever order pineapple as a topping

[deft stump]

More cheese and meats.

[plucky flax]

But I've not had proper italian pizza. All the pizza I had is either kebab shop or dominos/pizzahut/papajohns.

So I can't say.

[upbeat kestrel]

eh pizzahut is stupid expensive in Poland

[deft stump]

To be fair, living in SG means you can get everything, at an exorbitant price.

[upbeat kestrel]

SG?

[deft stump]

Singapore.

[blissful solar]

singapore according to my karien lore book

[upbeat kestrel]

aye

[blissful solar]

dominoes has a great deal so i keep going to it when i want pizza

$9 for a large one topping is pretty good these days

[deft stump]

Why do you even have that?

Or is logging it?

[blissful solar]

it's just a joke, i just remembered

[deft stump]

Oh.

[blissful solar]

[deft stump]

$9? You mean, $28 for a med.

[blissful solar]

that's what it usually is over here for something like papa johns...if you dont use a coupon and are pretty inefficient

[deft stump]

Just pizza, nothing else.

Most sets are closer to $50.

Feeds 4-5, they say.

[upbeat kestrel]

since when

[plucky flax]

SG = Singapore but it's not as cool as SG = Saigon.

[deft stump]

Excuse me, our local websites use .sg.

[fluid forge]

I'm gonna say it, I like it pineapple on pizza (with meats and cheese)

[plucky flax]

I will fight you.

[magic cipher]

Would anyone be able to explain what quell cancelling is pls? I'm reading the Psyker Athenaeum section on trauma staff and they mention needing to use quell cancelling to use fire trauma

[fluid forge]

idk to me the more toppings the better

[plucky flax]

[deft stump]

Legion commander ult go.

[plucky flax]

2 walk in 1 come out.

It's the thunderdome.

[blissful solar]

you left click then you quell and repeat this process at the speed of light. the quell, which is cancellable, makes it so you can left click faster than intended

[deft stump]

Spam quell and m1/right trigger. You shoot fastfast.

[magic cipher]

Good to know, thanks peeps! Sounds like too much effort for me so I'll just stick with flurry trauma

[deft stump]

Unless ladies, then take it to the bedroom.

[deft stump]

Is just tiring tbh, also highly inaccurate on controller.

[magic cipher]

Yeah definitely not for me then haha

[blissful solar]

i dont really know but i doubt you have to do it for any build to work. though it is pretty OP at the high end of attainment

[magic cipher]

What melee weapons are you peeps taking with flurry trauma?

[deft stump]

You could macro it but it might be cheating to some.

[blissful solar]

macro quell canceling is reportable and they ban for it

i think

[deft stump]

So yeah, actually considered cheating then.

[deft stump]

I reject trauma, but lvled it with my old friend Illisi.

[magic cipher]

Awesome thanks 🙂 I tend to avoid trauma also but need another bubble build apart from inferno

[fluid forge]

I believe the game will also register it as a no-no if you get reported for exploits

oh nvm already answered

https://tenor.com/view/obiwan-kenobi-out-hello-reverse-gif-23216250

[upper sun]

no it doesnt

[magic cipher]

Tempted to take FGS with trauma

[deft stump]

Ah. So doing it manually is alright if one just wants to spam both buttons?

[fluid forge]

I think so though don't quote me on that

I don't think it's possible to go fast enough to mimic a perfect macro

[deft stump]

True. Human limits and such.

[upper sun]

the macros actually send in clicks faster than humanly possible

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1296518930944360509/8mb.video-8Py-AgoOMlfe.mp4?ex=6772d259&is=677180d9&hm=12314f6e1c44acecd32391e82446d3d3a5ff72b41f2e859587be9f3cd35c0617&

look at this

two people soloed an entire event in highshock

[prime elk]

most exciting game with a m1 psyker involved

[deft stump]

Oh. So it should be easy to point out if it's just someone spamming from someone using a macro.

[upper sun]

the kick back special activations are me ult tabbing to discord

[upper sun]

yeah

well

for the game anyways

someone really good can prolly do it very fast but im sure the game can tell the difference

[deft stump]

You will probs make some degree of mistake/error a macro won't.

[upper sun]

yeah that too

[upper galleon]

death

[plucky flax]

Just really good gamer chair.

[gilded anvil]

@upper sun any tips for cliffhanger penance on psyker? "Kill 7 enemies within 2s by knocking them off a ledge"

[deft stump]

Too poor, got budget office chair that needs like 4 cushions to be comfy.

[inland ice]

bigger wepons

i need more boolets

sor

[blissful solar]

finally real gameplay

at least they arent smykers

[inland ice]

just two psykers shooting ropes

[blissful solar]

not pictured: how they did against the boss

[upper sun]

that i have no idea i got it randomly

[deft stump]

This tells me I really should have reported the aimbot using vet.

[bold cape]

ive never seen anyone cheating i dont think

[blissful solar]

ive only seen like one cheater and he was chinese

and a vet

the most suspicious thing was that he marked a resource through the map. and that was 1.5 years ago way before the resource indicator mod

[deft stump]

You cannot tell me someone flicks around consistently to shoot specials and elites with a near perfect accuracy.

Isn't cheating.

Like, ALL of them.

[bold cape]

well my friend aims like that and it sure feels like that lmao

[gilded anvil]

haha fair, i cant think of a map where i could do such a thing (with venting shriek i imagine)

[bold cape]

see a special? it’s already dead before you can look at it

[upper sun]

maybe the new map is good?

it has a very narrow bridge

before the drop

[gilded anvil]

i cant see the need for cheating in a pve horde game haha

[bold cape]

he’s global elite in cs tho so it makes sense

well, was

[blissful solar]

it's really hard to tell a cheater from not a cheater. until it isnt

[gilded anvil]

i dont even think ive tried it yet xd will check that out, ty :D

[bold cape]

it’s really hard to tell if you’re not looking at their pov

[deft stump]

Well, the constant 180 shots makes it feel that way.

[bold cape]

some people are just that good at aiming though

you can’t really tell unless you see it from their screen

[blissful solar]

even if you get to spectate them a good degree of fishy behavior can be waved away as being caused by the latency of the spectate mechanism

[deft stump]

Like, you shoot the thing infront, flick 180 to shoot the thing behind, then flick again to shoot an incoming dog, then flick to some elites.

[mental rock]

I have seen an aimbotter in dt once before. it was really easy to tell because he was doing 180degree flicks to heads with a full auto weapon. I mentioned his gameplay was real sus and he toggled off lol

[deft stump]

Basically like that.

They basically had every single elite and special kill because the moment one appears, gets gunned down.

[radiant frigate]

sufficiently advanced swordsmanship is indistinguishable from magic, after all

[mental rock]

a good player can actually hide cheats really well, if they try. but if they dont bother, its really damn obvious

[blissful solar]

hackers are the worst. their existence alone makes it hard to trust legitimate gameplay

[thorn cedar]

Last time I saw a hacker he was shooting a Mauler in the head with perfect accuracy with a Kantrael lasgun doing zero damage until he ran out of dodges and got overheaded

[plucky flax]

Asian kids remember the classic wooden gamer chair.

[deft stump]

I thought you were supposed to bodyshot, EVEN with a revolver?

[blissful solar]

their aimbot probably doesnt let them

or they're just braindead, not impossible

[thorn cedar]

He was hacking a PvE game, nobody is going to accuse them of being smart.

[deft stump]

You mean, 2 planks and 4 rods.

[blissful solar]

i would say i cant understand why one would hack in a pve game but i can. i guess the problem is that they join legitimate players. if they just wanted to play like this on their own i dont think it'd be a problem

[radiant frigate]

oh that is peak

[thorn cedar]

It was very funny to watch.

[deft stump]

It's honestly why I feel anti-cheats in co-op games is pointless. The ones that want to do it will do it anyway. You might as well just make a better experience for the normal players than having to deal with a kernel lvl thing that has been exploited in a few cases to the detriment of the normal user.

[radiant frigate]

why cheat and deprive yourself of the joy of heretic slaughter anyway

[deft stump]

I dunno, maybe some want INF ammo to go boomboomboom? Shrugs.

It's really the only thing I can think off.

[mental rock]

rip full auto rumbler/kickback

[deft stump]

New modifier, you somehow ended up with unlimited ammo, but gunners share the same.

They nolonger take breaks when gunning.

GL.

Heavily increased gunner spawns as well.

What kind of nightmare would that be.

[thorn cedar]

Idk i dont find havoc gunners that bad anymore, even shooters

They slapped me around enough times that the lesson is learned.

"Oh it's just one banana boy standing over there, I can easily achieve this revive." WRONG

[deft stump]

Ah yeah, the instant toughness break shooters, lul.

[thorn cedar]

die in the mud with your brother

[deft stump]

The dook you get away with in malice/heresy gets you downed here.

[thorn cedar]

Or Aurics

I'd genuinely stroll through a shooter/gunner patrol normally.

That's really not an option anymore unless all four of you are doing it.

[deft stump]

And killing them on the way.

[thorn cedar]

And you're really sure that that patrol is all of them lol

It doesn't surprise me that people aren't really learning the new shooters though. Most people instantly turned to bubble as a crutch and stopped interacting with them entirely

I'll be in a Havoc 17 and people will refuse to move out of an active bubble.

[magic cipher]

Idk why but I feel like I do more DPS to single targets with FGS than Deimos

[deft stump]

To be fair, if it's sniper hell, I can understand.

Not sure how one dodges a fan of snipers.

[marble crater]

Just kill the snipers

[deft stump]

You are also blind.

[marble crater]

Just boom boom in their direction

[mental rock]

I remember infinite dodges force sword just dodging up to a horde of snipers

[deft stump]

But then you have inf dodges.

[upper sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914161923334214/1322984094472343572/660d3834a1d58.jpg?ex=6772dc73&is=67718af3&hm=f0d1c1b81ad76a9e4176ce5668258aee32c27c67d7338a482fc4ac80619f42c3&

[mental rock]

very fun to hear a billion snipers shooting at you just moonwalking up to them

[upper sun]

"JusT KiLl thE SnIPeRS"

[marble crater]

5 snipers and 4 rocks, that's indeed a problem

[upper sun]

and the two beasts im running away from?

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

You aren't blinded in that. Where's the vent purge fog?

[thorn cedar]

have u tried bein less bad

[marble crater]

You shouldn't have been in that position in the first place

[upper sun]

it wasnt even vent purge

[marble crater]

Maelstrom chaos

[deft stump]

Yeah, but the joke was, you are also blinded by vent purge and there's like 14 snipers about to rail gun you fanned out.

Your best ranged weapon is a BAG/Shredder.

Have fun.

[wheat seal]

One day I'll find players to complete havoc

[deft stump]

Just play outside region. I took on ping lag to get my knoife pants, pretty sure you can too.

How to change regions? Mission board, settings, pick one of the more active places for time zones.

[prime elk]

"should we make havoc quick-playable?"
"nah, players LOVE the party finder, we can just have them queue up there"

[thin loom]

can anyone help me get malleus monstronum? using quick play I cant get enough DPS out

people do like, 15% of its hp per shot with some guns

[mental rock]

you cant do it in quickplay

[thorn cedar]

you cant, yea

[mental rock]

it requires private games

[thorn cedar]

like its private only

and also you cant, because as you found out, that shit aint fast enough

[thin loom]

oh yea, either way I need help

[haughty star]

pretty sure if they did it would've been announced here lol

[patent mango]

we love party finder!!

[verbal thistle]

I'll need your fatshark code, social menu then press E

[haughty star]

[verbal thistle]

(or look bottom right for console)

[thin loom]

7793630037 - mine

[upper sun]

ayo,,,,

thats my territory

[haughty star]

lol just had some guy ask if i was aimbotting on hishock damnation auric

[upper sun]

stick to flesh wounds!!!!

[haughty star]

lol

[upper sun]

now report him

[thin loom]

it would be funny if you did 🙂

[mental rock]

reporting you BAZ, cant believe you were a hacker

[patent mango]

ogryn shield aimbot

[thin loom]

ty @verbal thistle

[magic cipher]

Was doing fantastic in an auric maelstrom with trauma/bubble but then game crashes because Xbox has massive performance issues and come back to everyone dying since I'm downed 😭

[marble crater]

Disabling the portraits seems to have reduced the crashes for me, not eliminated them, but reduced

Or I'm just lucky in the last few days and they're not related

[magic cipher]

Oh I'll give that a go, thanks 🙂

[deft stump]

Is cos they are like live shots. Uses extra resources.

[marble crater]

Makes sense, but why are they live shorts in the first place

[magic cipher]

I don't see an option for that, is it under interface?

[deft stump]

Dunno, I do know is better to turn off on consoles to reduce usage.

[magic cipher]

Oh I found it, thanks

[marble crater]

Good, because I also had to look too long for it

[patent mango]

fatshark

i think thats done in other games too actually

[dense flume]

I feel like portraits shouldn't be using that much lol, wonder why that is

Oh I scrolled up

[marble crater]

Because fatshark

[patent mango]

fatshark

[deft stump]

I swear if they weren't frozen, they could be animated to breathe and such.

[buoyant maple]

Oh yea right

[thorn cedar]

i think thats it too

in terms of flat toughness

those are the only sources and theyre both veteran lmao

still, when your base toughness as psyker is 25 ...

[median sorrel]

Who up edging their peril

[gilded anvil]

for warp battery challenge, does anyone have any tips or build advice? Also wondering if maintaining max warp charge for 2 minutes is feasible in public sessions?

[magic cipher]

Are there any hp breakpoints that are worth considering? 🙂

[marble crater]

It's very feasible, it used to be longer and many here did it.
My suggestion is using the Elektro staff and go hunting for specials in shock troop gauntlet

[haughty star]

lol for context those were all him. after he asked if i was aimbotting i responded in comms na man just SG

[gilded anvil]

Sick thank you, never built into elektro staff yet - will farm some mastery then get to it :)

Or would voidstrike be usable?

[marble crater]

Sure, if you are good at using it to kill specials and elites

[gilded anvil]

I find it pretty manageable for the big guys, I'll give it a whirl

[wheat seal]

I love this event, ppl decline your request, but in mission they die in 30s

[prime elk]

outside of havoc, 200 is a good breakpoint to have

in havoc, whatever goes

[magic cipher]

Thanks 🙂 Just hit 203 so that's convenient

[prime elk]

yeah not hard on psyker

bit more annoying on vet

but it helps with bursters/snipers quite a bit

[magic cipher]

Bursters are the bane of my existence so that works lol

[prime elk]

yeah usually bursters/snipers aren't an issue... until they are

like teammates pushing bursters into you, or bots shooting bursters in your face

or snipers playing rainbow 6 and shooting through murder holes from 100m above you

[buoyant maple]

In havoc 1 health curio still does help

No insta down from sniper/burster

[deft stump]

Find bridge, shoot across bridge, pray for crits, profit.

Usually the lift holdout in that one map.

[prime elk]

makes sense

[thorn cedar]

yea for havoc you wanna hit 126

or w/e i forget the sniper hp damage but its close to that

[valid holly]

on the inferno force staff would i need to fully charge it to get the full effect of blaze away?

[thorn cedar]

nope

ramps up with every single puff so even on the shortest charge burst it hits 5

which is nonsense lol

[valid holly]

Well alright good to know 😆

[patent mango]

voidstrike troutrorial

1. rolling steel

[magic cipher]

Still crashed first game after disabling portraits, sadge

Wish they'd fix this

[gilded anvil]

Got it first run with randoms :D

decided to go with a pretty good base roll elektro i had stored, worked a treat

[marble crater]

indeed

[gilded anvil]

Not at all. I read a comment a little while back saying to treat inferno like you will blow up if you hold longer than 2-3 seconds

[deft stump]

I guess still chewing on too much. I wonder if console even have other settings.

[gilded anvil]

Also the lmb spam with inferno is great for staggering

[gilded anvil]

if you are packed up with a team and they can chew through the hordes too, spam lmb. You apply procs and keep any melee at bay

other than heavies like crushers, don't work on them :(

lmb stagger even affects maulers

[nocturne dust]

Actually you should RMB

RMB provides significantly more dps, and dead things do no damage

plus it still staggers a lot of things once Blaze Away is stacked up

LMB should only be used if anyone is in immediate danger if you want to maximize effectiveness

[gilded anvil]

It isn't an instant stagger like lmb though. if something is in your face, or very close to being, lmb

[marble crater]

@upper sun what mission are you in?

[gilded anvil]

lmb definitely isnt for damage, but stagger

[upper sun]

yard

[marble crater]

Pubs or havoc?

[nocturne dust]

Actually, I would recommend only switching to LMB after you use all your dodges or it's a poxburster/rager in a combo

[upper sun]

pubs

[marble crater]

Join us

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-admiral-ackbar-its-a-trap-meme-gif-8125029

[marble crater]

It's not

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/you'd-like-to-think-that-princess-bride-gif-2565262926337450450

[magic cipher]

Twice in one mission 😭

[gilded anvil]

You aren't evading if you have a horde staggered and team are laying down dmg too. maybe differing opinions, but i find it useful

[nocturne dust]

the horde will stagger from RMB

[upper sun]

noooo

im farming

[gilded anvil]

yes, didnt say it wouldnt. But lmb faster

[nocturne dust]

The horde gets staggered without Blaze Away

[marble crater]

Farming what?

[deft stump]

I guess farming with gud players then. Ah well.

[nocturne dust]

and immediate RMB with min charge is going to do more damage still

[upper sun]

penances

[marble crater]

So are we

[gilded anvil]

ofc, but it isn't an immediate stagger. Even if you're pre-charged, you need to wait for stagger to apply

[nocturne dust]

Not really? Wtf is this logic? RMB is immediate suppression and stagger once you start shooting

[gilded anvil]

Please refer back to my initial messages. lmb is great at staggering anything in your face, it is instant. Rmb stagger is not instant.

it's that simple :)

[nocturne dust]

Only because of the charge

[nocturne dust]

and this was your initial message, which is wrong

Spamming lmb reduces your damage and doesn't provide useful stagger in a lot of situations, which was my point

[gilded anvil]

is it not true? hitting hordes and keeping their melee at bay, due to stun locking them

[gilded anvil]

explain useful stagger please lol

[nocturne dust]

It's true you can do that, but you can do that better with RMB

[gilded anvil]

you have to charge it LMAO, my whole point is that lmb is instant stagger what are you arguing about

[nocturne dust]

stagger that wouldn't be there if you were using RMB that actually protects anyone

[nocturne dust]

[gilded anvil]

that wouldn't be there? it's the same stagger lmao

just fasta

[nocturne dust]

This right here is what I'm arguing about, I literally called it the point

[nocturne dust]

....it's not the same stagger tho

Do you know how Inferno works?

[gilded anvil]

lmb is instant stagger. rmb has stagger, but applies burn stacks rapidly which is it's main use, dps.

[silver mantle]

So, is a 60 warp resistance force greatsword usable?

[nocturne dust]

Okay, do they or do they not apply the same amount of stagger?

[nocturne dust]

that's the best dump, so yes

[silver mantle]

Heard something about wanting less than 60

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you can

Really unnecessary tho

[gilded anvil]

lmb is a stronger stagger. But I don't know the stats if we're being exact

[nocturne dust]

Yes, LMB has a stronger stagger. RMB's stagger is still very strong though, and with Blaze Away can stagger most things LMB can. Even without Blaze Away, it still staggers a ton. That's why Inferno users can have insane amounts of enemies staggered on the scoreboard mod even when only using RMB. In fact, RMB spams that stat harder than LMB.

[upper sun]

only 60 more taunts............

im almost free bros...........

[nocturne dust]

RMB's stagger is also instant tho, the only thing that needs time is Blaze Away, but that also stacks incredibly fast

(if we're ignoring charge time)

The main issue is an immediate RMB even with min charge is still vastly superior to LMB in damage and does almost the same amount of stagger, so the 'instant' quality of LMB is very low value. If you are in a situation where that short instant matters and LMB is the only thing that will keep you alive, you've made a mistake.

(again, barring poxbursters and ragers in combo)

[thorn cedar]

the mistake would not be using LMB to quickly get out of the situation in question lmao

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[thorn cedar]

its there, it has some functionality that RMB does not

its not a failing to make use of it when it is valuable

[nocturne dust]

True, but it is a failing to 'spam it on a horde'

at least if you want to be effective

play however you want

[minor wedge]

Hey guys

question

what does enhanced blitz do to smite ?

[cold ivy]

nothing, iirc

[nocturne dust]

Nothing noticeable

Only thing I can recall enhanced blitz doing for psyker is increasing your amount of assails

And we definitely needed more than 10, 12 is a real game changer /s

[thorn cedar]

i think it slightly reduced the cost

but that might have been BB

or both?

who fucken knows, its not very substantial

[upper sun]

which force sword?

[zinc phoenix]

4 weeks of 40 havoc wee

Almost didn’t make this one with Christmas

[upper sun]

someone told me you only demote after 3 weeks

[zinc phoenix]

But got in three games just now and managed it just in time 😂

[upper sun]

illisi or deimos

[zinc phoenix]

Team was pretty rough tho, 8 deaths on sycorax so not the finest hour 😂 elevator defense was me and book holding off the horde while ogryn died 😂

So two of us made it out which was good enough

[upper galleon]

illisi is horde clear focused, deimos is single target focused (especially with it's 2nd heavy in the attack chain)

[nocturne dust]

lol, same

Some say Obscurus isn't bad now

I dunno, I haven't touched it

[zinc phoenix]

I think those were the only games I played this week and two were done in five minutes

[nocturne dust]

FGS too spicy

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah hard to justify going for a FS when you could fgs

[nocturne dust]

But I remain completely unimpressed by the videos sent of Obscurus

[patent mango]

dude im so confused

i thought i had a melee psyker found on the wild

[nocturne dust]

Full BR build would take Telekine Shield with left side nodes for maximum synergy with Kinetic Resonance

[patent mango]

hes using bistol fgs shriek but hes just spammin warp slice???

it might be those puncture shenanigans

[zinc phoenix]

It’s actually pretty effective to just spam it 😂

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

[patent mango]

hes not doing much

[nocturne dust]

Has puncture?

[patent mango]

idk if i can check i ngame

[nocturne dust]

It really ain't

[patent mango]

might be puncture

[nocturne dust]

if you full spam

[zinc phoenix]

I mean yeah there’s a limit 😂

[thorn cedar]

its a cute meme but it doesnt do much

[nocturne dust]

Puncture spam tho isn't bad

[patent mango]

hes using warp slice uncharged for the melee portion??

[nocturne dust]

It actually does something

[patent mango]

on a single target??

[nocturne dust]

[nocturne dust]

Bad

[patent mango]

im so confuseddd

[nocturne dust]

Peril isn't that big of a deal

The BR speed is

Manual quelling can wipe peril away in a few seconds

That's just an issue of peril management for you, yeah

Of course, you can take some nodes to help like Solidity and Empyric Resolve

[zinc phoenix]

Just do whatever and try stuff

It genuinely doesn’t matter what you do at low level so long as you practice melee, blocking and sliding

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/where-everything-is-made-up-whose-line-is-it-anyway-dont-matter-speech-gif-16818708

mmmmmm

[maiden oracle]

I solved the issue by taking talents that improve at high peril

So now I just hit 100% and call it a day

[nocturne dust]

You may want to keep working on game mechanics

[zinc phoenix]

Mastering melee and movement is a “hundreds of hours” effort

[maiden oracle]

“Keep dodging whenever you heard the backstab sfx”

[zinc phoenix]

Wait til you start adding in combos based on the target you are fighting 😂

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, I'm like 400 hours in and still improving on basic mechanics

[maiden oracle]

Are you playing melee or normal psyker

[patent mango]

i just learned beast of nurgle can eat through walls myself

[nocturne dust]

and I had VT2 experience on top

[maiden oracle]

Like magic ranged or gun

[nocturne dust]

walls are a suggestion for all melee attacks

[patent mango]

its true true

[nocturne dust]

Lore-accurate Psyker really

Cutting through walls

[maiden oracle]

What’s stopping you from just quelling

Enemies getting in your face?

I would have assumed that the giant sound cue and tentacles appearing on your screen when you hit 100% would be a decent reminder

[tidal steppe]

Does anyone have a good build for trauma staff?

[maiden oracle]

What is trauma staff again

Is it because your have your melee out or something

[tidal steppe]

Void blast

Or something

[maiden oracle]

The one that shoots giant balls right

[tidal steppe]

No

The big circle

On the ground

[maiden oracle]

Oh that’s voidblast

I’m a moron lmao

[tidal steppe]

Trauma staff

[maiden oracle]

Fatshark renaming shit just for the fun of it

[tidal steppe]

I need a build so i can know how it wirks

Idk how psyker builds work

[maiden oracle]

Try this

#psyker-class message

The aoe and stagger is pretty nice but personally if a enemy is close enough for me to hit it with voidblast I just pull out my melee instead

[upper sun]

JUST 8 MORE KILLS

[zinc phoenix]

For heavy hitter? Good lord that’s a lot

Lucky bullet one is the worst tho

[tidal steppe]

Ty

[upper sun]

done with everything now

[marble crater]

I just spammed lucky bullet into the air at the end of the missions

[zinc phoenix]

You don’t need melee with trauma

You can blast everything away from you by aiming at your feet

[maiden oracle]

Yea I know that much I just reflexively pull out my melee whenever I can

[zinc phoenix]

Holy god I’d lose my mind

[upper sun]

just the class slop none of the crazy havoc/elite kills ones

[marble crater]

Welcome to the club

[upper sun]

bruh every game has 10 reapers how am i supposed to find 1.5k

back when i started playing i legit went lfg to find one reaper to kill so i could finish a penance

[plucky flax]

Bruh moment

[minor wedge]

Hey guys

another question

If I wanne play this

but wanne change shriek for shield

What talents do I swap out ?

Do I go bubble ? or normal shield ?

[upper sun]

depends on what you want bubble for aoe protection walls for more instant protection and more upgraded brainbursts

also

the upper middle node in EP is kinda useless

id swap it for the other upgrade for BB

[minor wedge]

Do i want to take empyric resolve on this build ?

Then I'll swap a few things around a little

(planning to run rifthaven staff and deimos)

[thorn cedar]

its not that bad tbh

thats a lot of toughness getting splashed around for you and the team if youre scoring back to back elite kills

[upper sun]

is it better or worse than the BB upgrade?

[thorn cedar]

imo, better

wait which one

kr or kf

[upper sun]

either or

[thorn cedar]

i think flayer still sucks so

[upper sun]

nah its nice now

[thorn cedar]

but definitely KR is something you want

[upper sun]

free 1k damage every 15 seconds

[thorn cedar]

not really impressive DPS gains

its better than it was. i still think its trash and uh

there's a word for this

[tidal steppe]

Ull find 100 of them in high havocs

[thorn cedar]

like how your appendix is useless

vestigial

KF made sense when Warp Charges was all we had for damage and all the stacks fell off at once

It was a method of upkeep for major gains

[minor wedge]

Again, do you guys think I should take ER on this ?

Empyric resolve, I mean

[thorn cedar]

i would say no, you already have free BBs and Shriek for perils management

[minor wedge]

No, im going shield

[nocturne dust]

(actually there are several theories about that, only one of which is that it is vestigial)

🤓

[minor wedge]

I wanne run that build, but shield instead of shriek

[patent mango]

appendix allows you to channel warp energy

[nocturne dust]

[true surge]

Hey guys, is Damage 78; Warp Resistance 79; quell speed 79; burn 78; cloud radius 66 a good inferno staff?

[cold ivy]

i think you want max cloud radius, the dump stat is traditionally quell speed?

[thorn cedar]

oh shield

[nocturne dust]

no

[thorn cedar]

eh, maybe

[patent mango]

nah warp res is dump

[true surge]

thanks

[nocturne dust]

A perfect staff would have warp res at 60

[thorn cedar]

i dont personally have any love for ER

[nocturne dust]

and every other stat at 80

[minor wedge]

Basically either this

or bubble shield

[true surge]

is warp res dump for all staffs?

[thorn cedar]

for all things yes

[patent mango]

no

blast radius voidstrike

[nocturne dust]

almost

Voidstrike dumps blast radius

[true surge]

thanks

[cold ivy]

i think if you're running creeping flames shriek with inferno on aurics warp res is the dump stat (because you do want to build your peril up to 84+% for max stack shriek), but for havoc stuff with bubble shield + quell penalty + battle meditation abuse you basically never have to quell once the hordes get dense enough because the 1% quell per kill on average is enough, so quell speed can be your dump stat

not 100% sure tho

[nocturne dust]

I would say no

Quell speed is still not the dump stat, because it is very important for quelling. If you have to quell ever, it will be better than warp res.

And I run a low warp gen build with solidity, ER, BM, and still have to quell a lot. In fact, the most concerning situations are when enemies are scattered or otherwise not immediately killable (such as crushers or long range shooters) in which case BM is not going to be doing your quelling for you

[cold ivy]

i disagree with the most concerning situations part - the most concerning situations IMO are when there's so much stuff that you have to chain RMB back to back to back for 30+ seconds to avoid being overwhelmed with no time to quell, but it's possible that BM still gives enough quell on kill even with 60% warp resistance that the team can clean everything up before your peril hits 100% and you have to stop casting

[nocturne dust]

I disagree, because, firstly, quelling doesn't hurt your DPS that badly, and secondly, you can always back up and cede space

I mean, there are times when you can't, but that's rarely that problematic because the meta is tons of stagger for a reason

[cold ivy]

if quelling doesn't hurt your dps that badly, why is quell speed important?

[nocturne dust]

Quelling doesn't hurt your dps that badly because you have quell speed and the like

dump all the quell speed and watch it hurt a lot

[cold ivy]

but if taking warp resist over quell speed makes you not have to quell, you won't be hurting your dps at all

[nocturne dust]

but that isn't ever true

[cold ivy]

it is

[nocturne dust]

[cold ivy]

i've experienced it many times

[nocturne dust]

You've played a match where you haven't had to quell once?

[cold ivy]

i've played a match where i've only had to quell between fights

[stuck sinew]

Was this on malice by any chance

[nocturne dust]

That sounds sus and like you weren't pushing that much, then

[cold ivy]

because there's so much stuff dying during fights that BM keeps my peril low

[nocturne dust]

BM hardly keeps my peril down in the most dense of fights, let alone ones where the game doesn't throw the maximum amount of spawns at you

[analog agate]

What was this? Sedition?

[nocturne dust]

1 kill per 1% peril is a lot to ask, and it's much worse if RNG goes against you

Like, maybe you were just really, really lucky

but

[cold ivy]

it's entirely possible i got very good RNG lol

it was on a havoc run with 3 duelling swords on my team

so we had close to zero horde clear besides the inferno

[analog agate]

You can make an argument without saying that. That’s all. 100% that isn’t true

[nocturne dust]

No trauma? No flamer?

[cold ivy]

team comp is not always optimized!

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/weakness-disgusts-me-madara-uchiha-madara-naruto-weakness-disgust-me-gif-17219305

[cold ivy]

i can't dictate what my teammates bring, i can only suffer

[nocturne dust]

I need my teammates to be optimized because I will inevitably DC and then they're on their own for like 20 seconds

if I don't down during the DC...

[wind spruce]

At a certain point reduced quell speed modifiers would make warp resistance more effective than quell speed. The question is what is that point and does havoc 40 reach that threshold

The rest is noise

[nocturne dust]

True

Well actually

[sturdy reef]

Nah I want to get to 100 to edge asap

[cold ivy]

it's also density - no matter how much quell speed modifier, as long as it's not -100% and you only kill one dude per RMB, battle meditation is never gonna refund enough

[sturdy reef]

[nocturne dust]

Maybe not true

cuz if you still have to quell

quell speed as a stat will reduce that quell time way more (looking at pure static numbers) the longer it gets

Like, the more you quell, the more quell speed helps, no?

[sturdy reef]

Yes

[nocturne dust]

and warp res is just less significant as a stat

it scales terribly, it only gives you like 1 more attack (from 0 to 100 peril) on the highest peril generator, EK, with or without ER, it's just not super useful

so I don't know if warp res will ever be better than quell speed as long as you quell at all

[wind spruce]

I don't think so.

If warp res increased the time to generate x peril by 10y and quell speed reduced the time to quell x peril by y, you'd take the warp res (especially considering things like BM exist).

[nocturne dust]

oh and btw, it barely manages to do that on EK, like you have to be a super hard edger to make use of it while also quelling to 0%

[silver mantle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9dd801aa-a9fa-40b0-bb19-444ac4dc8c8e thoughts on this build?

[nocturne dust]

well yes, but that isn't the case

well actually, you wouldn't look just at time saved per quell

[wind spruce]

Agreed

[nocturne dust]

You would look at how often you have to quell, and the seconds saved from that quelling compared to the seconds saved from warp res over the course of the match

and you would also have to factor in times where warp res saved you from quelling at all somehow

[wind spruce]

The seconds saved is what my "formula" is calculating

[wind spruce]

Bad. Voidstrike is a strong single target weapon. Running EP BB is redundant.

[silver mantle]

so then smite is better?

or does it make more sense to swap staves

[wind spruce]

I prefer assail with void

[upper sun]

theres kinda no point in going EP without the brainburst upgrades

and souldrinker is kinda ehhhh

oh also

[wind spruce]

Also, souldrinker is bad in general but especially with only perilous combustion providing warp fire. And psychic leeching is always bad, never take it.

[upper sun]

Focused Channelling is not very good

you shouldnt get used to it

the issue with it is "Your Secondary Attack cannot be interrupted"

if you get interrupted in the first place you lose like 20% of your hp and all your toughness

[wind spruce]

Not kinetic flayer.

[upper sun]

so its kinda bad to have as you go up threat levels

[upper sun]

yeah

[silver mantle]

which staff would work best then with bb?

[wind spruce]

Inferno

[silver mantle]

ok

[nocturne dust]

Inferno and Trauma both like BB solely because of KF (and its positioning in the tree)

[upper sun]

i would do this for voidstrike with flak crit chance surge and nexus

[nocturne dust]

well, to you it would be Voidblast I guess. Trauma is its old name

😭

[upper sun]

HER NAME IS VOIDSTRIKE

[nocturne dust]

1. you'll confuse the new guy

2. NEVER FORGET WHAT THEY TOOK FROM US

[upper sun]

hes not new

i think hes just new to psyker

[nocturne dust]

so new

[upper sun]

🙄

[wind spruce]

I don't understand this comment at all

[upper sun]

@silver mantle so yeah do you want a build for purge?

[silver mantle]

sure

[marble crater]

Purge?

[upper sun]

what ults do you like

vent or bubble

[silver mantle]

I've mostly used bubble

[upper sun]

do you want ep or warp charges?

[silver mantle]

does ep help out smite at all?

[upper sun]

ep is kinda better at boss damage and special removal while warp charges is better at every thing

oh no

[nocturne dust]

Smite really likes EP

but also

[upper sun]

nono we dont do smite purge

[nocturne dust]

don't take smite with purge

yeh

[silver mantle]

ah right

[nocturne dust]

[silver mantle]

yeah ep for the bb

[upper sun]

if you use smite and purge you have no tools for snipers or armor

[silver mantle]

[nocturne dust]

Inferno and Smite are basically the same thing

Smite is just more evil

[silver mantle]

yeah, preparing to start doing psyker masteries so been trying to figure out some builds

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-palpatine-sheev-palpatine-power-star-wars-gif-16503984

[nocturne dust]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5f5cb5-afee-4f51-9393-b8429e8c6765/the-burning-man-inferno-guide

Here, a build

[upper sun]

ep purge

[silver mantle]

ok

[nocturne dust]

with lots of info at the bottom too

so you can customize

[upper sun]

for warp charges use deadvoids build

its pretty much exactly what id use

thrust uncanny?

[silver mantle]

thanks

will probably swap the dueling sword for the deimos

cuz masteries

[upper sun]

wouldnt it make more sense to go relentless uncanny or thrust precog?

[nocturne dust]

Definitely works

[upper sun]

ye deimos is good too

[nocturne dust]

Uuuuhhhh precog? Definitely not

[upper sun]

[silver mantle]

then I guess when running fgs/voidstrike I use smite

will figure that out when it comes

[upper sun]

precog works with thrust more than uncanny

[nocturne dust]

You hardly pull out your DS so you don't ever really get precog up to be used, and dueling sword has high enough damage with uncanny and thrust that it's better for when you do pull it out

[nocturne dust]

well don't use precog

[upper sun]

uncanny needs repeated hits thrust needs one big one

[nocturne dust]

Precog is a zealot thing

[upper sun]

uncanny works better with relentless

[silver mantle]

could also run agile for emergency get out of dodgeing

[upper sun]

bad take

[upper sun]

also good

agile uncanny works too

[nocturne dust]

It isn't