psyker-class

[upper sun]

and the face mask is nice on psyker for purge builds

[deft stump]

Need moar hoods.

[sullen whale]

is pretty cool but i've always preferred this chest for that look, especially when he has a head like this

[deft stump]

Without weird masks and goggles.

[true cairn]

@sullen whale Good name

[sullen whale]

i think the suit of armor goes crazy hard with his new greatsword

my psyker's name is Uvuvwevwevwe

[true cairn]

Where's that head from? Feel like it would look good w Havoc armour

[sullen whale]

it's the do 5 penances, play 50 matches as, and reach trust 30 one

one of the final tier unlockables

[true cairn]

Gotta get my psyker game up then lmao

[sullen whale]

it was super easy penances did them before i completed 20 missions, still had 30+ to go which didn't feel very rewarding

[true cairn]

Only class I don't have at level 30 yet

[deft stump]

It's not trust 30.

[sullen whale]

dunno why they mission timegate unlocks when the quirky penances should be it

[deft stump]

I think it's one of the, complete a bunch of Psyker ones.

You mean lvl 25 havoc.

[true cairn]

For the head?

[sullen whale]

idk this is 30 trust + the 50 missions and 5 easy penances

[deft stump]

But I don't think is that.

[true cairn]

That isn't level 25 psyker head

[deft stump]

I think it's hestia blessings.

Or Kinetic killer 3

[true cairn]

Witchshroud

Okay got the name

Ty

[nocturne dust]

All they'd have to do is release a santa claus set

https://tenor.com/view/where-the-magic-happens-magic-santa-clause-magic-trick-magic-for-humans-gif-15673280

[deft stump]

I really need to do blessed by fate someday.

[upper sun]

smh all these blindfolds

they need to give psykers warp sight

[sullen whale]

it's mostly for the giant metal collar to go with the armor

blue mask is aight too

the striped pants with greaves are kek

[deft stump]

Do you really want something like that red sight Buddy has in Crime Boss?

Basically, can't see shit the game.

[upper sun]

i want free all time exi stance

[nocturne dust]

exe stance being a vet ability really doesn't make sense

[upper sun]

its fine vets are trained to notice enemies faster

it makes sense

however all ults being variations of eachother doesnt

[nocturne dust]

The vet noticing enemies through walls

[radiant frigate]

true fact?

[sullen whale]

https://tenor.com/view/morgan-freeman-true-true-morgan-freeman-true-morgan-freeman-spider-man-gif-4782003132048930635

[upper sun]

ogryn charge zealot charge
vet stealth zealot stealth
vet exi ogryn exi
gaze exi stance

[nocturne dust]

This is why bubble is cool

[upper sun]

"battle intuition"

[radiant frigate]

i want to say that gaze is not the same as exe stance

(exe stance is stinky and gaze is cool)

[sullen whale]

zealot charge is lame, zealot stealth is lame, and ogryn's exe feels like a bl2 gunzerker rip off.

[upper sun]

oh i forgot chorus is voc

[nocturne dust]

Nevermind that bubble is smoke grenade

[upper sun]

point blank barrage is bullshit broken im glad not many people use it

[sullen whale]

when i do see people use it the boss is gone in literal 2 seconds to fire

[deft stump]

Wat boss?

[upper sun]

all of them

[sullen whale]

any monstrosity popping up is gone in seconds to PBB fire twin stub

[nocturne dust]

in fairness, you have to be oggie to use it

[radiant frigate]

is it the burn stacks

[upper sun]

if theres a good pbb ogryn on the team it transforms the entire game into league of legends with the ogryn being the ADC and everyone else as support

[deft stump]

Is more the joke the boss stopped existing almost immediately.

[upper sun]

yeah

uncapped

[radiant frigate]

entirely uncapped?

[upper sun]

imagine if purge could give everything 31 stacks

[radiant frigate]

xd

[upper sun]

global cap

[sullen whale]

twin stub blessings also ramp damage way up on bosses

and yet we had to mega nerf gg and rumbler boss damage

[upper sun]

tbh fuck it just give ogryn the option of having two melees or two ranged weapons

[sullen whale]

that'd literally be a gunzerker rip off

[upper sun]

yeah

[radiant frigate]

two pickaxes??

[sullen whale]

i can have a karl, AND a branx?!

[upper sun]

i was thinking more pick and shovel

[sullen whale]

i'd go knife and branx

[upper sun]

or shield and pick

[sullen whale]

errr knife and shield i guess 😔

[nocturne dust]

dual branx

[upper sun]

no carapace damage

[sullen whale]

grrrrr

shield is good enuff

or not, prolly same as knife at that point

more stagger tho

[deft stump]

Just ping spam till your Vet notices or something.

[upper sun]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1303864241522081864/Warhammer_40000_Darktide_2024.11.05_-_22.25.13.03-00.00.27.987-00.01.19.321.mp4?ex=676b4433&is=6769f2b3&hm=4d9d9517be9de5170efd7ba8669a529d7d459fb72c688a4c5a2fa041c5bc749a&
look at this video and tell me shield is enough for carapace

[sullen whale]

he isn't aiming for heads to ignore hit mass!!

[radiant frigate]

fucked up how they gave ogryn pickaxes with varied movesets when their entire skilltree just wants you to mash heavy

[nocturne dust]

It doesn't look like weakspots are being hit

[sullen whale]

same for knife light spam feeling great until you realize nothing buffs those attacks

[jovial juniper]

Now if that was a Skullcrusher Opportunist

[plucky flax]

Me stooped me spam heavies

[upper sun]

if i didnt hit weakspots they wouldnt have staggered and id be dead

[nocturne dust]

roght

wat about all the other hits

[radiant frigate]

does shield get thunderous

[nocturne dust]

[upper sun]

opportunist is less damage than skullcrusher and less utility AND damage than brtual

[upper sun]

i dont know i go brutal skullcrusher

[radiant frigate]

cause thunderous would kill crushers in 3 hits with the bleed

[jovial juniper]

Nuh uh
2 shots

[upper sun]

nuh uh

[sullen whale]

my mk4 knife would of solo'd all those crushers in seconds.....

(runs confident strike)

(80 mobility)

[jovial juniper]

Wish cleavers were good

[upper sun]

i run fnp

i simply TONK

[sullen whale]

i do on shield

knife HH likes confident strike tho

[nocturne dust]

wait

do you not take the rending nodes

[upper sun]

i do

???

[sullen whale]

rending on PBB is op!!

[radiant frigate]

i read this as knife hulk hogan

[jovial juniper]

I should probably stop playing the cleaver 6 so I can say that cleavers are good

[sullen whale]

good, my oggy is hogan

[nocturne dust]

It seems like a lot of hits to kill crushers on shield, but you're also missing weakspots quite a bit earlier on and you're constantly switching which crusher you're hitting

Meaning you're not going to kill one because you switch to another

[upper sun]

wrong

shield has stupid head magnetism

you will hit weakspots with H1 no matter how you aim it

[nocturne dust]

I counted the double Xs on the crosshairs

You are missing

[upper sun]

nuh uhhhh

[sullen whale]

das wat i wuz sayeng

[upper sun]

chat kill this guy

him too

[nocturne dust]

You can't kill me, I'm already dead

[sullen whale]

can't kill me, emprah protects.

gotta deliver the grog on my back to 'im

[nocturne dust]

egggrog?

[sullen whale]

just had some, very good

anderson erickson's is the best

[upper sun]

i just have some whiskey left

😭

[strong gulch]

Drunk game?

[upper sun]

its 12:40pm here i cant drink rn 😭

[strong gulch]

Oh I misread lmao

[sullen whale]

my ogryn is fueled by this (his butt barrel is full of it)

[nocturne dust]

Sadly I'm limited to lactose-free variants

[sullen whale]

it'd be funny if it made sloshing sounds in-game

wish the chimes trinket jingled too

[nocturne dust]

Thankfully they do make lactose-free eggnog tho

They being our corporate overlords 🙏

[sullen whale]

and lactaid

it's they thing

[nocturne dust]

Sadly, lactase pills aren't sufficient 😔

[strong gulch]

I never remember lactaid exists. Therefore it's not real to me.

[iron stone]

What perks/blessings do yall recommend for the shock staff? I've only been using a blue one with Warp Flurry.

[radiant frigate]

lactose intolerant?

[plucky flax]

Thunderous bleed nerf hurt ogryn

[nocturne dust]

IBS that triggers on lactose

[upper sun]

how can u be canadian and lactose intolerant

[nocturne dust]

Very fun times

[upper sun]

oh IBS...

thats worse

[radiant frigate]

yikes

[nocturne dust]

Very worse

[strong gulch]

Flak + maniac/ unyielding

warp nexus + warp flurry

Edit: RMB / secondary build

[sullen whale]

Surge goes crazy for deleting elites & specials with LMB no matter how far they are

ima switch to voidstrike surge and see how it goes tho

[upper sun]

i was lactose intolorant for sometime until i forced myself to drink milk everyday in quarintine for ~3 months

[marble crater]

[nocturne dust]

I used to be a lactose boy

Loved me my cheese

[plucky flax]

Surge surge meme I sleep

[nocturne dust]

Loved me my milk

[sullen whale]

hey, i like robbing the vet of his job lmao

[upper sun]

too bad milk boy now you get the jordan peterson diet

[nocturne dust]

Fortunately I have access to lactose-free variants, but I had to do some real digging and it's not quite the same for cheese. My only options are white cheddar and swiss.

[iron stone]

How good is Rending Shockwave with Flurry? I've mainly used the staff on crushers/maulers in practice.

[iron stone]

what would you pair wityh surge?

[sullen whale]

swiss is fire 🔥 i could eat nothing but swiss for life tbh

[nocturne dust]

😭

[sullen whale]

just nexus cuz more crit chance

[nocturne dust]

I actually don't like swiss that much, lol

[upper sun]

salt and meat for every meal NOW!

[nocturne dust]

I loved me Jack

[nocturne dust]

Wait I do that

[sullen whale]

i haven't had colby in ages (damn it was good 😢)

[nocturne dust]

Crap

[upper sun]

no alcohol!

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-fade-fade-away-disappear-evaporate-gif-16638726229780416323

[upper sun]

no soda no cheese

[strong gulch]

Do you mean trauma/ voidblast staff??

[nocturne dust]

Monterey Jack cheese

[sullen whale]

been using this, dunno how good it is tho. (LMB spam)

[upper sun]

NO CHEESE

[nocturne dust]

😭

[upper sun]

just lean meat

[nocturne dust]

crap

I do that

[upper sun]

real

[nocturne dust]

So many of my meals are just meat and rice 😭

[upper sun]

RICE????

[iron stone]

Nah, I mostly hold spam smite, then switch to the staff secondary for bigg stuff.

[upper sun]

GRAINS???

@nocturne dust i am telling you ONLY meat and salt

[iron stone]

What mod is that for the color text changes?

[sullen whale]

i forgor about monterey, i only rembered colby jack

[nocturne dust]

Rice is mostly water anyway

[upper sun]

you need to start an instagram account as a carnivore influencer now

[sullen whale]

probably this one? https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/210

[strong gulch]

Rending shockwave is only on trauma/ voidblast (circle on the ground).

Surge/ EK staff is electricity or shocks.

That's why I'ma asking.

[nocturne dust]

😭

[strong gulch]

Can't say x is good if I don't know what you mean. 😭

[iron stone]

mb, I had the wrong staff open in hadron...

[sullen whale]

ERM 🦑

[marble crater]

Merry Psykermas everyone

[strong gulch]

Right back attcha and to anyone else celebrating.

[molten saddle]

Bcob?

[radiant frigate]

by crack of bone

[strong gulch]

by crack of bone

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-we-one-gif-18212100

[molten saddle]

Wtf ive never noticed this passive before

[strong gulch]

There's also TTS and I don't mean text to speech.

[molten saddle]

Im not good with this terminology i should really learn this

Nvm just seen it

[strong gulch]

tranquility through slaughter

yeah lol

[molten saddle]

Im stuck at 39/40 for it. Literally maddening

[nocturne dust]

Happy Psyker Holidays and Blunt Holidays

but woe upon Heretic Holidays

[radiant frigate]

https://youtu.be/uiDZToowbCs?si=3hbUTXZ-Sr7gnL26

[nocturne dust]

[strong gulch]

It's snowing outside and kitties are looking up out the window at the falling snow. 😭 🥺

and now they're doing parkour off the window. 🙃

[marble crater]

Cats

[strong gulch]

Chill

Less chill.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/jumping-snow-zafdger-cat-playing-gif-5075508

[marble crater]

the hell

[strong gulch]

They're a lot. 😭

[deft stump]

Sus.

[marble crater]

Maybe teach them to play psyker

[strong gulch]

I swear one of them has brain powers.

[upper sun]

cats understand a lot more than they show

[strong gulch]

So already self taught.

[deft stump]

Is cats, they make you do things anyway.

You will serve them or else.

[radiant frigate]

chaotic little creatures

but we all love them anyway

[peak kelp]

how to build around voidblast staff?

[strong gulch]

There's three siblings that I call The Chaos Three™️. lmao

[strong gulch]

#psyker-class message

[deft stump]

Where the fourth?

[molten saddle]

Is it worth running defy fate with tts and Bcob?

[radiant ice]

I prefer the Rending Shock/Flurry build myself

Nothing beats the air strike

[strong gulch]

Running around off camera. sus af tbh

[strong gulch]

Ye. SG and DD typically go hand in hand.

[molten saddle]

Fairs its not stuff i usually run so im very much im the dark🤣

[deft stump]

Eh, can't be as sus as this lil gremlin.

Yeah, am out walking with her.

[strong gulch]

I stand by fire trauma/ voidblast being overall stronger than rending flurry; BUT I have really been enjoying rending flurry in Havoc when I'm with another psyker running purg.

[strong gulch]

Adorable, so ofc not to be trusted.

[radiant ice]

I think Fire Trauma does bigger numbers for sure

But in practice the Flurry spam with rending ends up helping the team more

[deft stump]

She can and will crotch shot you if she wants attention.

[nocturne dust]

Team play? In my co-op game?

[molten saddle]

I cannot do void blast staff to save my life

[strong gulch]

The bur jumping is named Goblin btw. Very fitting.

[nocturne dust]

Lmao, I have a dog named Tribble and she is unsurprisingly a lot of trouble

[deft stump]

Carrot. And heh, gobbo.

[molten saddle]

Tooo adorable definately will steal just one sock

[strong gulch]

It takes some getting used to and isn't as straight forward as you'd expect. It's a polarizing staff. If you wan to see good use of it @plucky flax has multiple vids with it.
https://www.youtube.com/@AgentChaosMeme

[molten saddle]

Maybe its also coz on console controller it feels janky vs mouse on pc

[strong gulch]

Good naming. Fatshark should take notes.

[deft stump]

Is jank. Yep.

[bold cape]

merry christmas psyker creatures in my phone

[zinc phoenix]

It took me a bunch of games to feel comfortable with it, it’s worth the investment as it’s a lot of fun and very effective when you grok it

[nocturne dust]

Don't worry, we'll get Voidbeam aaaaaaannnnnnnyyyyy second now

[deft stump]

Naw, both will go missing.

[zinc phoenix]

Voidbong is clearly next up

[deft stump]

When. I wanna BEWM through tunnels.

[upper sun]

warhammer ahh naming scheme

[molten saddle]

Nahh just one. Enbodiment of neutral chaos🤣

[strong gulch]

Could be. @marble crater uses controller. Idk if there is any specific controller or console tech for trauma/ voidblast.

[deft stump]

To be fair, your plushies go missing.

[nocturne dust]

Is..... is warhammer star trek

[molten saddle]

Yeah ive seen how good it can be. I just cant get the placements right coz of the controller which makes it very awkward

[deft stump]

Just deal with jank.

[strong gulch]

Pro strat tbh

[upper sun]

angron
angry
lorgar
likes lore
ferrus manus
forges iron with his bear hands

[zinc phoenix]

Solution is clear: reject staff, embrace fgs special

[deft stump]

Or be all, kark this and pull out flamer stick.

[molten saddle]

Just do a peter turbo mauld seeth and cope and use it

[deft stump]

Nu.

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/ice-bear-lookingat-hands-we-bare-bears-polar-gif-11894990

[radiant frigate]

ferrus manus
iron hands
he didn't even try to be creative with this one

[upper sun]

typhus/mortarion
the champion of the sickness god

[molten saddle]

My god ive just got this. Im slow today i need coffee

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/tribbles-star-trek-universe-gif-15358836

[marble crater]

I think it's just as weird to aim with controller as it is with mouse, just need to get used to it for a few games because it's strange to aim

Maybe having a taller character helps so you can see where you are aiming better?

[molten saddle]

Ok so its just janky while learning

[strong gulch]

I thought those were heads for a moment.

[zinc phoenix]

They’re balls

Lots of balls

[nocturne dust]

tribbles to be specific

[molten saddle]

Tallest setting. Only small one is my zealot so ogryns can shoot literally over me🤣🤣

[radiant frigate]

ballin'
but at what cost?

[zinc phoenix]

He seems indifferent to the cost of all those balls

[strong gulch]

Gotcha. Thanks for the added context.

[nocturne dust]

tall characters help with melee

but also

[marble crater]

Then just practice. Aiming is like the Rumbler, without the projectile path visual

[nocturne dust]

I've become completely unable to play voidstrike since becoming tall

I need to work on that

I always shoot over heads now 😭

[molten saddle]

Yeah just gotta practice it

[radiant frigate]

this is why void is dead

[nocturne dust]

Still outdamage the pubs

although idk, kinda feels sad now

I don't think I had a single auric game today with anyone in the 200s, and at least one player was always within the single digits of 30

[deft stump]

But you will fall to Khorne doing so.

Amount of reeeeeeeeeeee.

[nocturne dust]

Everyone moved to Havoc and now Auric is just Heresy all over again

[marble crater]

One thing I can think of that's not as easy to do: flicking it, like Agent likes to do in his videos for some extra range. Probably possible to do but like most mechanics it's too much effort and I don't bother

[deft stump]

Heresy is either aimbots or uprising players.

[marble crater]

Khorne will get BrainBursted

[strong gulch]

That makes sense.

[nocturne dust]

In fact I think I had to clutch every auric match I was in, sometimes multiple times, and I played like 5 matches

Back in my day I could queue pub and get a good team 50% of the time

https://tenor.com/view/abe-simpson-abe-simpson-cloud-yelling-cloud-angry-gif-12558964

[deft stump]

Well, in heresy maelstrom, you get aimbots carrying anyway.

[nocturne dust]

I haven't experienced aimbots in Heresy

[deft stump]

Might be server.

It was a chinese named vet on the asia oceanic server.

[zinc phoenix]

Havoc is such a better experience than aurics 🤷‍♀️

[radiant frigate]

is it

[upper sun]

anyone swedish here?

[dusk void]

2 gunkers down for the count 😆

[nocturne dust]

no

[zinc phoenix]

For me unambiguously yes, I like the dynamic of having to carefully position way more than the tedious meatspam of aurics

[nocturne dust]

They're just different

I like not having to slidespam everywhere

and being able to play off-meta and not worry about ruining someone's try

[radiant frigate]

idk i don't think creating a bulletproof tunnel from start to end is all that engaging

[nocturne dust]

bubblespam vs shriekspam

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve been having more and more success with bubble free + positioning team in spots where we can’t take strays from all angles

[clear heath]

idk i just like killing shotgunners

whatever spawns big packs of shotgunners is a good gamemode

[zinc phoenix]

Map knowledge in metalfab makes a big difference in how much gunner bs you have to deal with

[nocturne dust]

Maybe I'm crazy but I feel like auric spawns a bit more too now

[zinc phoenix]

I also think there are changes to what the director spawns based on the route you take

[clear heath]

idk maybe

or maybe teammates are worse at killing them so i notice them more

[nocturne dust]

my damage numbers have at least been 200k higher than normal

[nocturne dust]

maybe

[zinc phoenix]

Slower runs bc worse teams -> more damage done total

Idk havoc feels a lot more like squad/ps in Warhammer. I might even start turning on my mic to SL because tactics calling in chat has improved success rate vs just doing the “obvious” stuff that gets you merked

[plucky flax]

Maybe you got gud

[upper sun]

omg

scab melee is up..........

anyone wanna queue up?

[swift dock]

Is there a link for all the psyker cosmetics from commodores vestures?

[jovial juniper]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/14ragoz/a_quick_highlight_of_every_psyker_cosmetic_that/?rdt=46641

[plucky flax]

2 burgas but the other guy does no soulblaze damage

60k vs 700k

[eternal surge]

psyker is the least jolly class

[plucky flax]

[deft stump]

You stole all of it?

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-the-voices-jolly-christmas-gif-5774532700081404887

[plucky flax]

No the other guy just sucks.

[deft stump]

Oh. I just thought stack ownership stuff on soulblaze and stuff.

[plucky flax]

Yes that too but I own all the soulblaze.

He's a poor boi.

[naive ember]

What is the best staff for Havoc 40?

[deft stump]

Is why I have an EK build for when someone else wants purg staff.

[plucky flax]

Yeah but I was feeling lazy and I was first in party so other guy should had switched not me.

[plucky flax]

Burga and trauma

[deft stump]

I guess. For me is more, I let the ppl who are going to carry pick what they want.

[naive ember]

I played with someone earlier just spamming mouse 1 with the flame staff, are you meant to just spam it and not charge it?

[deft stump]

It has a ton of stagger on the normals.

[plucky flax]

You should charge it. Spam m1 for when you want to stagger.

[plucky flax]

Yeah I am the carry let me play the thing I want.

Case and point my damage compared to other guy.

[naive ember]

Charge to full or what % ?

[deft stump]

I just need to maybe smite stealth crushers and not die too much, yes.

[plucky flax]

However you want. Blaze away stacks very fast anyway.

[strong gulch]

Except surge/ EK often steals SB damage.

[deft stump]

I don't even skill anything sb?

It runs on psychic vampire to fuel bubble cd.

Unless the altfire adds sb, IDK.

[strong gulch]

Surge/ EK kills a single target faster and has better range than purg/ infero. So with that, PC, wildfire, and shriek spam you as the surge user get first SB application often and then purg just feed you SB stacks and damage.

[marble crater]

Perilious Combustion my beloved

[deft stump]

Pretty sure my build would be laughed out the door tbh. I just made it to not step on someone's toes. Mostly just smite big things behind.

[quartz barn]

youre better off using trauma then

[deft stump]

I can't aim that thing.

[radiant frigate]

more likely it would be showered in advice to improve it

[quartz barn]

you get to keep the cc but still do meaningfull dmg

[radiant frigate]

trauma is like smite if it didn't suck!!

[deft stump]

I went full melee after giving up trying to use it.

[quartz barn]

always tragic to see the other psyker get forced into the smite bot role and see them do 160k dmg at the end

[strong gulch]

Play what you want tho.

Besides, a lot of people take issue with smite. So you are still gonna "step on people's toes".

[quartz barn]

nah this depends on how you use it

[radiant frigate]

if you spam it nonstop start to finish

[quartz barn]

smiting a crusher horde etc is fine

[strong gulch]

Ye

[radiant frigate]

yeah it's going to be silly

[deft stump]

If you smite a pack of stealth crushers...

[radiant frigate]

if you whip it out to lock down mass armor

we good

[quartz barn]

but if you use it on literally anything however....

ive seen too many psykers smite a glubby on havoc 35+

[strong gulch]

but some will see you have smite (doesn't matter of you rarely use it) and opt out of the lobby

Not even getting into how misused it is.

I haven't had too much of that tho.

[marble crater]

Meanwhile in havoc: "Second psyker, can you run smite if possible?"

[deft stump]

Double smite is good even at 20.

[quartz barn]

i run melee psyker at 20

[deft stump]

For the absolute dookshows.

Yes, we had one last week.

[quartz barn]

cant have dookshows when i oneshot everything before the team gets a chance to do anything

[marble crater]

Just keep trying, once you get used to it it's no different than aiming the other staves

[deft stump]

Is fine. Just don't warp slash the DH.

[quartz barn]

?

i aggro the dh

[deft stump]

Lights out.

[quartz barn]

if only fgs didnt do up to 6k a hit

or if a dh did meaningfull dmg

[deft stump]

It's still clunkier than the rest.

[marble crater]

Well yea

[deft stump]

2 shots, especially with the other dookshow going on.

[quartz barn]

tip btw, fgs has bigger range than dh's attacks

so you can walk backwards and spam heavies without getting attacked

[plucky flax]

[quartz barn]

i should prob have a trauma build ready

other than the shout variant

time to get the loadout mod i guess

too lazy to remake build

[deft stump]

5 slots too little.

For Psyker.

[marble crater]

Pain, I had to delete my gunker and voidstrike builds

[verbal sequoia]

I’m building out a scriers gaze melee psyker, the blaze force sword is fun to use. Prob gonna try out a different melee option once I max mastery with the sword.

[strong gulch]

Multiple psykers

[tired estuary]

More loadouts + characters mod

[strong gulch]

not an option

[tired estuary]

What a shame

[marble crater]

I have a free slots, so I could make another psyker, but I don't play gunker and voidstrike enough to be honest, so I will just redo it whenever I have to

Why there are only 5 slots by default, I will never understand

[strong gulch]

kk

If you get the itch to power level, I can help.

[quartz barn]

Me: wants to edit one node at the top of the tree
FS: time to redo your entire setup fucker

[strong gulch]

Or feck it. I can level my little psyker.

[deft stump]

I wish they just yell at you if the tree is illegal or something but let you add or remove freely.

[quartz barn]

https://tenor.com/view/oblivion-gamerpoop-criminal-scum-gif-15277113

[upper sun]

same

[marble crater]

Can do the clad tactic, do auric damnation, ask the team to wait at the end and switch characters

Speak of the devil

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/surprised-meme-shocked-pikachu-pokemon-gif-16898675

Why didn't I think of that??

My level 15 will carry T4. Trust.

[marble crater]

I didn't know it was possible to switch characters during a mission

[strong gulch]

I did know that. It doesn't happen often so I yeeted it out of my brain.

Pro strat.

[marble crater]

Clad is a pro player

But he tries to hide it

[upper sun]

you just need one person you're friends with in the mission

so you can join them

[quartz barn]

why does it sound like this was an accidental find

[upper sun]

im just very good at bending the rules

[quartz barn]

when the idea was to just ragequit

[upper sun]

it was not

i am lazy and i like cheating

[quartz barn]

same lmao

[zinc phoenix]

If I knew in advance who could carry I’d absolutely do that but it’s obviously not something you can know for sure the first time you play with someone you know nothing about 😢

[plucky flax]

This is tru and far. The other psyker was lvl like 1.2k too Xd

He has seniority over me with lvls

[paper dust]

whats the dump stat for warp greatsword

normally

[strong gulch]

warp resist

[paper dust]

i am planning to make a some low empower with shit defence and warp resist

[strong gulch]

Dump stat is warp resist on all force weapons except voidSTRIKE (dump blast radius).

[paper dust]

this is what i what i have right now

[plucky flax]

Damn that is based

[paper dust]

trying to make a more powerful one

[strong gulch]

Keep that

[clear heath]

wow lucky

[paper dust]

but its a bitch to find

lower then 24

[plucky flax]

Youll be very hard to find one with even lower.

[strong gulch]

People spend SO much trying to get that. Keep that 24.

[paper dust]

meaning i need to sacrafice defense aswell

[upper sun]

tbh

[strong gulch]

Get a different one and fully empower that instead.

[upper sun]

getting a 24 res one is now easier than finding a triple 80 one

i mean in the before times.

[paper dust]

i just need to gamble shark boy

in a grouping of 30

[upper sun]

i keep loooking at my inventory and finding force swords with less than 80 damage or first target

like

[paper dust]

i will find one

or 60

[upper sun]

how the hell did i use those

[strong gulch]

I can't play dumped warp resist trauma without ER now. Crafting update messed me up.

[marble crater]

Just play ER always

In auric you have enough toughness anyway, in havoc you have so little it doesn't matter

[strong gulch]

But if I want to do assail trauma and take DD, ER is too far away because of the other nodes I want. Not taking DD with assail hurts my insides.

[deft stump]

Oh and btw, the build looked like this.

[plucky flax]

Taking assails with trauma hurt me.

[strong gulch]

What is this build for??

[plucky flax]

No warp rider gaming is kinda sus.

[marble crater]

Who needs cleave

[strong gulch]

Low brain effort.

[deft stump]

That EK build I told you about that I use if someone wants burny stick?

[strong gulch]

😭 noooooooo warp splitting NOOOOOO

[marble crater]

I don't like so much about this

[deft stump]

See, I told you everyone will hate it. XD

[strong gulch]

Yeah, I hate it too.

[clear heath]

wtf

[clear heath]

there are a lot of things i could point out but i'll just show this

[deft stump]

You either laugh it out the door, or hate it.

[marble crater]

It's objectively not a great build

[deft stump]

You mean the coherency thing, right?

[marble crater]

Among other things

The idea is to have a build without soulblaze yes?

[deft stump]

Yeah.

And runs bubble.

[marble crater]

And smite or is assail okay too?

[deft stump]

Prefer smite, since I suck at havoc.

[plucky flax]

Even I will probably struggle with that build ngl.

[deft stump]

And having emergency panic button gud.

[plucky flax]

It's a hard build to play.

[clear heath]

that build is a challenge run

[deft stump]

You just stun things so your team can smack. bubble for gunners too far away.

[strong gulch]

Time to distract with my terrible build. It's centered around soulblaze and yet there's SO little of it. (blazing sprit illisi)

(please someone win havoc 40 with this)

[deft stump]

Simple logic.

[marble crater]

How about something like this then?

[deft stump]

Run psychic vampire so you usually have 6 stacks, for more bubbles.

[marble crater]

[deft stump]

The 10% more damage isn't good?

[clear heath]

it's not

[strong gulch]

Investing into smite mods without EP is sus on its own.

[deft stump]

It's just to lock down things close tbh.

[strong gulch]

SG tho. Wildfire needed.

[marble crater]

And without shriek

[deft stump]

Or ehm, stealth crusher pack from behind somehow.

[clear heath]

imo the optimal target to attack if someone is smiting is the target that isn't getting smited

so

[marble crater]

I do like the additional smite jump though, it's nice

[strong gulch]

Need more crits and fire should come from fire sword or sword kills.

[deft stump]

I guess the moment I mention Maniack Illisi, more rees incoming?

Same for the staff, lul. Except I think it was Flak and unyielding.

[strong gulch]

Flak and maniac are standard on illisi

Flak + maniac or unyielding on surge/ EK is also standard

[deft stump]

Oh.

I guess Deflector+Slaughterer is fine as well.

[thorn cedar]

that's just correct tbh

[marble crater]

Flackiak illisi and EK staff are based and cool

[thorn cedar]

and lighting storm is borderline mandatory imo

[strong gulch]

Also pretty standard.

[deft stump]

I tried blazing spirit on it once. It did not work so back to slaughterer.

[thorn cedar]

it says +1 jump but its also
+1m cast range
+1m jump range
Instant second tether on left click instead of 0.3s delay

[strong gulch]

Because blazing spirit on force sword is terrible. Things have to survive a crit.

[deft stump]

But but but, they survive one.

It takes 3 strokes to kill a mauler.

Well, a pack of them, but schematics.

[marble crater]

0 damage, 0 finesse, 0 first target Blaze Illisi

[clear heath]

blazing spirit on a sword isn't gonna do more than just hitting them harder with a real blessing

[deft stump]

Also around the same for ragers.

[strong gulch]

one mauler gets 3 sb stacks and is still alive. 😩

[deft stump]

Oh wait, that's with slaughterer.

STILL.

[strong gulch]

fire sword is for mood lighting

[marble crater]

But you won't be after the overhead, so it's not your problem anymore

[deft stump]

Nu, I dodge.

[strong gulch]

So true

[deft stump]

Then dies from random poxwalker backstab.

Actually accurate.

[marble crater]

It's the normal psyker experience, kill 30 elites and then die to two poxwalkers because you didn't pay attention for 5 seconds

Such is life

Lost half my health once to the first two enemies on the map, because I trusted my team to kill them behind me, they did not

[deft stump]

Got used to that. Nobody ever helps keep things off you.

But they expect you to do it for them.

[marble crater]

I should have killed them, it was my fault still though

[strong gulch]

Oh my bad. Baby psyker is level 12.

But look how lucking I got from an armory find. I was able to empower it all of the way. Having weapon master already at max feels like cheating. lmao

I didn't have high enough trust to just buy one lol

[thorn cedar]

just how it is when bruisers swing for 100

and your toughness is ... also pretty much 100 if you max it lmao

[marble crater]

Oh right the mastery carries over

[strong gulch]

Yes

[deft stump]

Lvl 1 with 500 gear.

[marble crater]

Maybe I will actually level another psyker just to look at the map design in sedition

[strong gulch]

You can't level up your starter gear tho. It's only availbale at hadron with mods and if you try empower them it crashes the game.

[deft stump]

I mean, a lvl 500 knife is still lvl 500, right?

[marble crater]

Or jump into auric and freak people out with the low level

[late sapphire]

I hate this actually

[marble crater]

guess I will just spam assail then

[late sapphire]

If i am shitting myself smiting the 8 crusher pack that just appeared out of nowhere in front of me

[deft stump]

Is more a joke, I think you'll more likely be lvl 3-5 with 500 gear.

[marble crater]

More or less

[late sapphire]

And my teammates decide it's clearly time to kill everything else

[strong gulch]

true

[clear heath]

walk away from them while smiting.
People should be attacking the enemies that attack, not the ones that can't

you have legs. use them

[deft stump]

Unless they are the last things alive.

[marble crater]

I have no legs, but I must walk

[subtle harbor]

I saw a picture on here of people who’s level was far and away higher than 30. Question, how?

[clear heath]

mod

game keeps track of all exp past level cap. true level mod lets you see what they would've been

[subtle harbor]

Ah okay

[deft stump]

To be fair, it means nothing since someone could have basically played malice to 200.

[late sapphire]

This is true as a rule of thumb but teammates relying on it absolutely and not being able to read the room has cost me several havoc matches

That and of course the poor positioning that got us into those situations in the first place

[marble crater]

Yep, can't smite forever

[radiant frigate]

read the room (kill the heretics)

[marble crater]

Simple as

[late sapphire]

Believe it or not but if i am a purgatus psyker smiting a bunch of crushers the other enemies will die even faster if you just execute the fucking crushers and let me flame everything else to death in about 5s

[radiant frigate]

my beloved says "kill"

[radiant frigate]

true fact actually

i generally find it a good idea to kill the enemies that can kill you in one hit before they kill someone in one hit

[late sapphire]

Though in high havoc that's all of them

In short, KILL

[upper sun]

so tru so truuu

[upper sun]

in longer

KILL FOR THE LIVING, (teammate 1 semi compenent)
KILL FOR THE DEAD, (teammate 2 fresh level 30)

[radiant frigate]

true but crushers will not just down but murder-kill straight up at that level

downs at least have a chance of recovery

[late sapphire]

The completely lack of cooldown on attacks is evil too

Overhead jackhammering...

Flamers are more threatening kicking than flamering because they kick once a second or faster, too

[clear heath]

flamer kicks have fucked me up

[late sapphire]

Saw a reaper smack a zealot straight into the emperors embrace, too

[upper sun]

moments before disaster

[deft stump]

No until death? Wait, you can't have that with corruption removal.

[clear heath]

you can

[deft stump]

Not enough points tbh.

[clear heath]

should path around there anyways for duelist so

[deft stump]

You then have to pick between duelist or it.

[marble crater]

Pick both

[clear heath]

you're only one point away from until death at that point

yeah just grab both

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/bras-honneur-insult-shaolin-go-away-bras-d-honneur-gif-20384168

flamers in havoc

[marble crater]

I will post my zealot build for havoc, one sec

[deft stump]

But then you run out of points for crit keystone mods.

[marble crater]

Don't really need them, imo. The psykers reduce your cooldown with psy aura and killing everything

[deft stump]

Oh.

[marble crater]

Something like this can probably drop some things here and there for something else if you prefer

[deft stump]

You mean like that? I just fished for points on the other side.

[marble crater]

Yeah

Enough points to get both and other stuff

[deft stump]

I usually take the toughness dmg reduct and well, Swift certainty.

[nocturne dust]

and you can crit enough for your CDR node anyway

That's the real keystone

[clear heath]

my dueling sword/flamer build is just this

stalwart actually pretty good on its own

[nocturne dust]

The damage node for Book tho 😭

[deft stump]

You ppl reminded me of enduring faith.

Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu.

[clear heath]

I've also tried ditching the aspd node for that node actually

also works fine

[nocturne dust]

Ditch the damage node on the right side

[clear heath]

I don't miss it that much on dueling sword anyways

[nocturne dust]

[clear heath]

nah i'm not ditching 20% damage with near constant uptime

[deft stump]

I mean, it's just a dook this button.

[nocturne dust]

Book Club is for others to do all the work

[deft stump]

You mean, wave holy symbol around.

[marble crater]

Press button, yell at heretics while making light, simple as

[nocturne dust]

You just did by missing the book node

for the whole team too

[clear heath]

that's 10 seconds though

or slightly longer cause it'll refresh a couple times

[deft stump]

You mean, JUDGING heretics.

[marble crater]

True

[nocturne dust]

Yes. And?

Is Book Spam

Spam Book

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[iron stone]

Does Disrupt Destiny only stack if you get a precision kill on the mark?

[nocturne dust]

no, you just need to kill

[clear heath]

Okay i have to point out two thing:
1: Blood redemption is near useless. It's 2.5% more toughness on melee kill
2: Stalwart is a straight up upgrade. It gives 25% dr that's up pretty often, and it has this secret unwritten affect where whenever it refreshes the buff, you get 2% toughness, regardless of how the enemy died

[iron stone]

Weird... are there any known bugs related to it not stacking? Had two games now where it doesnt stack up.

[clear heath]

So taking blood redemption instead of stalwart here is pretty much completely worse

[fathom adder]

Buff display is broken and much (most?) of the time it won't show your DD stack

[clear heath]

because fatshark won't fucking update their descriptions

[iron stone]

Ah, I see, thatnks

[nocturne dust]

The UI for buffs is super buggy and can not show buffs.

[iron stone]

Is there a mod that fixes/prioritizes that by chance?

[marble crater]

Yeah that's fair, thanks. I didn't put as much thought into as I could have

[hearty wolf]

I run neither of the above zealot builds

[strong gulch]

What's on ur DS for this?

[hearty wolf]

But yeah Zealot is fairly locked as to the skills you pick up

[marble crater]

What are you running, share with us not zealot mains?

[hearty wolf]

Just a sec

[clear heath]

whatever intern was writing zealot talent descriptions must've been on something because there's too many that aren't complete

stalwart refreshes giving toughness, twbs working on ranged (although kinda irrelevant now), IJ giving dodge buffs

[marble crater]

Does TWBS still work on ranged?

[nocturne dust]

I'm guessing Fatshark is going to redesign either Zealot or Oggie talent tree next

[strong gulch]

ADHD hitting the descriptions hard

[marble crater]

Oh it does

[clear heath]

gunners don't stagger and reapers don't push anymore so i just don't care as much about twbs

[hearty wolf]

For benediction

[clear heath]

except for weapons with big slow attacks

[deft stump]

Do you think this is fine if there's already a -corruption zealot?

[hearty wolf]

for beacon

[marble crater]

[cosmic sigil]

You still get interrupted by dogs hitting you

[nocturne dust]

for bacon 🤤

[marble crater]

But I need my second life, what if I do a zealot play and die

[hearty wolf]

ye

[clear heath]

I use mk 2 on zealot just for some variety

and the cleave h2 isn't useless at least

[nocturne dust]

Sin is just an expert zealot that doesn't need no defensive nodes

[strong gulch]

kk

[hearty wolf]

Everyone runs in.

I just don't take perks that are for losing.

In an entire run, I can get 0 value out of Until death. Waste of a skill point.

And I don't care about "what ifs" - I should have just played better in the first place

[clear heath]

ds2 h1 is exactly the same as ds4 now so it's pretty much the same weapon, just gotta reset your combo somehow if you wanna poke spam

[marble crater]

Yeah, I had the pleasure of seeing it in a mission

[hearty wolf]

Annoint in blood is kind of crazy important

[iron stone]

Im not part of this convo at all, but as a Zealot main, this is my Go-To set up. Preferably with a Shred weapon and 3 wound curios.

[deft stump]

So I guess at least my current Zealot build isn't absolutely terrible.

[marble crater]

[hearty wolf]

It's meta havoc what you're running

[nocturne dust]

Counterpoint:

[cosmic sigil]

Counter argument: you're not diving hard enough

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/going-to-bed-fail-caleb-labelle-daniel-labelle-midair-lagging-fall-to-the-floor-gif-27075152

[fathom adder]

H1/Special loop, spam pokes even faster and with major stagger

[deft stump]

IDK, I built that because I wanted to get my holy book penance done.

[clear heath]

yeah usually i'll just special to loop it

[cosmic sigil]

No duellist...

[hearty wolf]

The only thing is that you went right side down on piety, I think people tend to run the first left node and go for TWBS

[marble crater]

That would help with my bolter magdumping

[cosmic sigil]

You cannot just take Crit talents and not duelist

[nocturne dust]

I always have to take Until Death because it's always a game of 'how much does my ping mess up overhead dodging'

[hearty wolf]

You cannot take no duelist no matter what

[clear heath]

ditching duelist is a red flag

[iron stone]

Severely overrated imo

[hearty wolf]

It's a broken perk

No

It isn't

If you think duelist is overrated

You don't know what it does

[cosmic sigil]

Your opinion is wrong

[hearty wolf]

^

[iron stone]

No I know what it does, I just ahve never needed it.

[nocturne dust]

The node with two separate +50% buffs is overrated guys

[hearty wolf]

It's not one of those things that is subjective, it's just objectively wrong

[clear heath]

To put into context, the 30% weakspot node on vet is considered mandatory and taken on literally every build
Zealot's duelist is 50% weakspot and crit damage

[deft stump]

Oh. But even switching means lacking a point for the left node?

[hearty wolf]

If you're playing on sedition, I guess it's fine

[cosmic sigil]

I can not take it on some build with not Crit synergy but if you take scourge and Crit dr and invocation of death...

[nocturne dust]

Still no

Do not

[hearty wolf]

We were talking about Havoc anyways where the breakpoints tend to be higher.

The extra damage from marty might help you reach some of them but throwing so much damage away is eh

[nocturne dust]

Take the most OP node in the game

Do it

[marble crater]

I will be honest and say that I didn't take Duelist for a long time based on the reason that people keep saying crit damage and weakspot damage perks are bad

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-do-it-gif-10270118

[cosmic sigil]

I mean if it's a chorus martyrdom antax build....

[iron stone]

That build is my default for Auric Maelstroms. Never had any problems without it 🤷

[deft stump]

I mean, if you don't use a finesse weapon maybe?

[nocturne dust]

wtf you mean

Take the node still

[clear heath]

wait a minute...

[hearty wolf]

he reaches his breakpoints anyway

Why take more damage

[fathom adder]

Yeah because they're 10% and (IIRC) don't stack with similar effects

[marble crater]

Is Evis a finesse weapon?

[deft stump]

I forgot. DS4 brainrot.

[cosmic sigil]

I won't Crit as much 😄

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-he-extra-emotional-damage-gif-24563905

[hearty wolf]

Cos he's running marty with invoc, probs just gets all his toughness from FOTF but needed to drop some skill points to get the perks he wanted

[patent mango]

is eviscerator even real

[fathom adder]

Real bad

[cosmic sigil]

You can do auric maep with grey weapons or not talents

[clear heath]

honestly i would probably just drop twbs there if i'm that desperate for points

[cosmic sigil]

You're just missing out on one of the best node

[clear heath]

at least now because of the gunner hitstun removal

[patent mango]

me dropping my evis the moment i got a relic blade in my inv

[hearty wolf]

I literally lick the blight clean from the floor

[nocturne dust]

Havoc throws that out, no?

[fathom adder]

I used it while maining Zealot because I like the sound it makes and Auric Damnation Maelstrom was the top difficulty

[nocturne dust]

Also, more boss damage

[deft stump]

I checked, Evis no finesse.

[hearty wolf]

Fuck knows. I don't do the maths.

[nocturne dust]

(It's a Yes)

[hearty wolf]

Like I take annoint and don't know if it changes breakpoints in havoc

But I feel like it does

[marble crater]

Nice, I'm not a total noob then

[iron stone]

Im not saying its not great, I just dont take it lmfao

[fathom adder]

The epic Nurgle-Slaanesh cult crossover we don't want but know deep down we deserve

[hearty wolf]

It's why i try and refrain from having comments on math - because I don't know it lmao

Or builds in general

[cosmic sigil]

I mean I always take duellist deadvoid 😄

[nocturne dust]

As you should

[hearty wolf]

But duelist is one of those things where it's like ??

[cosmic sigil]

Overrated imo, that's your words

[deft stump]

Is still +crit damage though, and with chain weapons, you fish for crits still?

[nocturne dust]

Even as a Psyker, I take duelist

[iron stone]

And I meant it

[fathom adder]

I mean, I would

[torpid bough]

hey does uncanny interact with soulblaze?

[cosmic sigil]

Yes

[torpid bough]

LMAO

[clear heath]

duelist is also weakspot damage anyways. What, are you guys not aiming for weakspots?

[cosmic sigil]

It's so broken it's bad

Stop abusing little stacks

[torpid bough]

abuse stacks?

[clear heath]

do people aim at the enemies feet because it's "not a finesse weapon"?

[torpid bough]

😈

[nocturne dust]

Duelist + Scrier's

[deft stump]

You mean, light attack heads?

[fathom adder]

It's uncanny, by definition it doesn't need to make sense

[marble crater]

Yes, still a little bit of a noob I don't really know a lot about how good a lot of talents are. I can just play reasonably well

[nocturne dust]

what's a brutal momentum anyway

[strong gulch]

Because I'm bad and think weakspots are in toes or something.

[hearty wolf]

Honestly I'm close to dropping second wind in the beacon build for Purge The Unclean but I can't justify it because it works on ranged attacks which I think is the selling point for me.

[hearty wolf]

I don't recall how our runs went tbh. It was the one on Smelter?

Or was it choo choo

[fathom adder]

Sounds like some kind of death blow

[marble crater]

Smelter

[deft stump]

No clue, am bad, I sometimes use common sense or the lack of it for my stuff.

[nocturne dust]

I mean Zealot has one build and it includes duelist.

[marble crater]

Run went very well, despite the start and my crashes

[hearty wolf]

No, you only take the first part of the node
So L1, instead of R1, R2

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/brian-baumgartner-badumtss-the-office-kevin-joke-gif-15818642

It's very striking

[nocturne dust]

Well, I guess it's 2 builds with Havoc now

gotta have that bacon 🤤

[deft stump]

Yes, but you then only have 1 point which isn't enough for TWbS. Only Dance of death.

[hearty wolf]

This~?

[cosmic sigil]

And you still take duellist

[strong gulch]

@hearty wolf @marble crater Yeah it was smelter complex.

[marble crater]

Yes

[strong gulch]

https://youtu.be/pvS6SlQ9AYU?si=GmWGHXmGhSR6sRQI

[hearty wolf]

We also did consignment yard but this wasn't havoc

[marble crater]

Ah yeah we did

[clear heath]

I find that there's slightly more build variety now that twbs isn't 100% mandatory.
Can actually grab a grenade as an option

[hearty wolf]

Uh.. I could probably figure out what people do. I never run left tree

All I'm saying is, appreciate left branch of that tree is v.good

[clear heath]

it's still a bad tree because mandatory duelist tax though

[hearty wolf]

But I like critting, even if it does fuck all

[strong gulch]

Oh lol I for about yard. That's when I couldn't remember how to switch weapons

[marble crater]

It's the entire mission?

[hearty wolf]

It's just like an orange swipe thing

[strong gulch]

Yes

[deft stump]

I guess I can take out the +20% team damage for it.

[strong gulch]

Yard is up too.

[nocturne dust]

I still haven't collected my Havoc crate

[marble crater]

Maybe I will watch them later see how I play from a different POV and if I can learn something from that and your gameplay

[hearty wolf]

https://youtu.be/pvS6SlQ9AYU?t=224

This point onwards

Want to point out when I got thrown into 20 crushers

I made it out of that lmao

[cosmic sigil]

The problem with nades are the talents before them... At least immonades have like 2 good talents but well

[deft stump]

I just use right side for fury rising to keep it up near perma, so IDK.

[fathom adder]

You WILL spam Chorus, you WILL bring Beacon, and you WILL be happy

[strong gulch]

Shot gunner at the end. 😭 :boogerfrog:

[strong gulch]

Yeah idk how lol

[hearty wolf]

20% team damage is also insanely good. Like, really really good.

It's what I usually run but when I play with @nocturne dust or @strong gulch and one of them is on purgatus, they don't need more damage. It's more important for me to hit 1 shot kills on disablers.

[strong gulch]

Oh yeah for sure. Nasty little critters.

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/omori-omori-kel-omori-pee-omori-meme-omori-funny-gif-22335098

[clear heath]

yeah it's still a shitty problem
It's just slightly less bad now because you don't need the twbs nodes to the right
So you make up the stupid point tax by immo nades having 2 nodes you might've taken anyways, or stun nades being far to the left and being just above duelist/until death on benediction builds

they should still rework the tree

[fathom adder]

I have said before and I will say again, putting Restoring Faith and Bleed for the Emperor 4 points deep down separate trees (neither of which lead to Second Wind or Throwing Knives) was diabolical and hobbled Martyrdom right out of the gate

[deft stump]

Tbh, TWbS is for bonking doggos or something? Or is it that you don't get the hit knock effect from being backstabbed?

[cosmic sigil]

I agree with both of you.

[nocturne dust]

but have you considered I want bigger scoreboard numbers

[strong gulch]

I hope there's decent footage of your play and you get to see it.

[cosmic sigil]

They should do like the veteran tree

[patent mango]

i love blitz choice being fricked over by worse talents!!!!!! cant take soften them up with rock, cant take psykinetics aura with assail, gotta take throwing knoives!!! help!!!!!! help me!!!!!

[strong gulch]

I need to not be so stiff and aim higher.

Also block more often.

Also fecking dodge.

ALSO STOP EATING OVERHEADS

[patent mango]

on vet its aight tho lol

[cosmic sigil]

As a bolter user, tknives and DOD are still mandatory for my builds

[marble crater]

I'm sure there will be footage of my play, whether or not it's decent we will see but I will also see if there is something I didn't purgatus that I should have

[strong gulch]

If you watch that video, take a shot each time I eat a crusher overhead.

[hearty wolf]

TWBS has lost a lot of its utility.

@clear heath Just mentioned what it currently still works with, so dogs was one but there was perhaps another?

The reason I like twbs is because it helps engage anything before you get you uninterruptible so it's consistent with all engagements.

Also 15% movement speed I find insanely valuable in a zealot if I need to break off or I need to save a psyker. Most of the time it goes underutilised but it does have impact for moving between cover and what not. Keeps your damage uptime higher.

[marble crater]

I can eat chocolate instead

[hearty wolf]

I do but I'm already forced to spam chorus because of PR. I don't want it to look like I'm doing literally nothing

If I ran FOTF, I wonder how big the damage differential would be

I think I'd genuinely do more

[clear heath]

The main reason i ever took twbs was just ranged stagger, which pretty much got taken out of the game so...

like it'll help for melee stagger still but like, just don't get melee hit

Still kinda relevant for something like thunder hammer, if you wanna eat a poxwalker hit while nuking a boss or something

or evis revs against bosses

[nocturne dust]

probably, because you'd be forced to

[cosmic sigil]

And relic blade too, it's kinda slowish

[clear heath]

fair, although personally i don't take it for that

[hearty wolf]

I don't personally need TWBS for relic blade

Feel like it swings too fast for what it is tbh

[cosmic sigil]

The one time I removed twbs I was shredded while diving. So I put it back.

[radiant frigate]

THE VOICES
CAN'T STOP THE VOICES

[clear heath]

I think twbs on slow weapons is still a decent enough pick to consider
I just think if i see a dueling sword or knife user with twbs, they're stuck in the old meta

[patent mango]

help!!!!!!!!!

[naive ember]

What melee weapon to run on 40 Havok?

[hearty wolf]

I think it also depends how you play tbh

[radiant frigate]

i never pick twbs

[deft stump]

Oh, so I guess it's not as important if you use mostly ds4?

[hearty wolf]

I never play with the intent to get hit

[radiant frigate]

big! sword!

[nocturne dust]

Have you considered the fact I will get hit?

[hearty wolf]

Oh yeah for sure since DS4 is just m1m1m1m1m1m1m1m1m1m1m1m11m

[radiant frigate]

that's why you are dead, void

[fathom adder]

Small Sword to show you try hard. Big Sword to show you're a chad who don't need to try hard to win

[deft stump]

You mean, lightspeciallightspeciallightspeciallightspecial.

[naive ember]

not DS / Blaze Force Sword?

[clear heath]

twbs isn't making that hit disappear

[patent mango]

force greatsword is jolly

[radiant frigate]

i mean those work too

[cosmic sigil]

I am used to it. And playing with a very mobile weapon too. So yeah. It makes everything smoother for my play style on zealot. I do however glad the stun has been removed for my 3 other characters

[patent mango]

i swear im not biased do not read my name

[naive ember]

but but but Deflector....

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/eh-sad-but-true-gif-19119396

[radiant frigate]

but big swords make me happy

i like big swords and i cannot lie

[deft stump]

Big sword with deflector. And you can AFK tank DH.

[radiant frigate]

de flector

[fathom adder]

TWBS feels nice for getting out from in front of a Flamer but don't know how much of a difference it actually makes there

[radiant frigate]

my wrath is already swift, no need for that talent

[cosmic sigil]

H1H1H1H1

[deft stump]

I did it for someone to get malleus monsterum.

[radiant frigate]

plus i never have enough talent points anyway

[deft stump]

Or whatever that was called.

[hearty wolf]

I stopped pressing lights, I kill instead of stagged unless it big

but then you have to hold m1

tragedy

also friends

mk6

please assist

[radiant frigate]

the ogryn experience

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-a-big-one-large-one-giant-huge-great-gif-12413867

[hearty wolf]

ignore it says mk8

I had to try mk8 to remember why I don't like it

[radiant frigate]

cara unyielding wrath riposte

[hearty wolf]

we are back to mk6

ok thank

[radiant frigate]

unstable power cool too

[deft stump]

Only if bosses lul, panic too much otherwise.

[nocturne dust]

cara, unyield, wrath

and I take shred for the 2nd

[hearty wolf]

Okay so Wrath and something basically

[deft stump]

Also, assuming I don't go TWbS and skip DoD since you know, useless on melee zealot lul, what is worth dumping the last point in? Sharing 66% of the crit buff to team?

[nocturne dust]

It's hard to miss with FGS so I find shred to be better than riposte

especially against things that are targeting others and not me

[cosmic sigil]

Share build!

[hearty wolf]

I think I'd prefer the uptime of shred.

So between Shred and Unstable power now

[nocturne dust]

I'm no good with keeping peril up

[cosmic sigil]

Disdain is mid but it's more melee dmg

[deft stump]

I use DS4, what extra targets?

LUL.

[nocturne dust]

FGS actually keeps peril up pretty well by weaving in ranged attacks for stagger

[hearty wolf]

What ranged wep you using?

[cosmic sigil]

Ohhh I did not see that

[deft stump]

Bolt Pistol/Revolver.

[hearty wolf]

Take annoint then imo

[deft stump]

I'm currently lvling bolt gun and flamer.

[cosmic sigil]

Annoint

[prime elk]

Same

[cosmic sigil]

100% anoint

[hearty wolf]

Or one of the minor nodes.

[naive ember]

Hmmmm why would I take the Greatsword over DS in Havoc? 🤔

[nocturne dust]

but on the other hand, Shred procs EE and mettle (but not enough to be consistent for either)

[radiant frigate]

big sword

if more needs to be said then idk

[patent mango]

ds isnt force greatsword

[naive ember]

but DS is OP

[hearty wolf]

So EE and Mettle versus 80% strength

[radiant frigate]

idc

[deft stump]

And yes, it has lethal prox for funnies. Run and Gun for the other.

[radiant frigate]

big sword

[hearty wolf]

That's too hard of a sell I think

80% strength is kind of insane

Even if it's just 20%

[nocturne dust]

20%

and in reality

[hearty wolf]

Says stacks 4 times?

[fathom adder]

Big Sword is purely for the aesthetic. There will be times the game tells you "fuck you for not bringing something with better dodge"

[hearty wolf]

Or is it 5% per stack

[nocturne dust]

it really depends on how good you are at maintaining peril

[naive ember]

so DS all the way?

[nocturne dust]

yes

[hearty wolf]

Ah