psyker-class

[nocturne dust]

but +20% crit chance is also great, unsurprisingly

[hearty wolf]

About this.

Thing with ER is that you're going all the way to the left side of the tree for it, when you can stick to right side and just get warp unbound.

Unless you're stacking kills via staff, seems to me like it's better to just murderize

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve been running staff SG with no WU because I don’t trust WU anymore 🤷‍♀️

[hearty wolf]

It's only the DR you lose outside of SG right?

[zinc phoenix]

I died more to WU bug than all other causes when I was using it

[nocturne dust]

but you have warp unbound? It's not an either/or

[nocturne dust]

The easiest bug to work around tho

Just don't attack when it expires 🤷‍♂️

[zinc phoenix]

Not if your mind body and soul are all given over to the lust for blood

[hearty wolf]

Ah I see your point. I usually do go either or since they have the same purpose. Could be fun to stack them. Hmms.

[nocturne dust]

and crit chance

and the speed if you take it

[hearty wolf]

Oh fuck right. I didn't realise that. Ee.

[languid tusk]

thoughts on great forcesword marks ? which one is considered the best ?

[hearty wolf]

Hot topic, but it's 6

don't let the 8 noobs tell you otherwise

[nocturne dust]

People argue. (It's 6)

[zinc phoenix]

Wait does anyone actually take the DR for sg?

Like why

[hearty wolf]

(is Meow here? Meows probably not here)

[bitter pelican]

What perks for fgs 6?

[zinc phoenix]

I prefer mk8 to mk6

[bitter pelican]

I really wanna use it

[summer prairie]

crit chance doesn't linger

[zinc phoenix]

I think true melee lovers all prefer the mk8

[nocturne dust]

I like melee tho

[zinc phoenix]

The moveset flows way better

[nocturne dust]

[languid tusk]

is 8 the one with horizontal light attacks ?

[nocturne dust]

I also like 6

[nocturne dust]

No it doesn't

[bitter pelican]

Horizontal lights my beloved

[nocturne dust]

These are lies perpetuated by big mk8

[zinc phoenix]

Horizontal lights without needing to combo into them to sustain it

You do have to combo for the big domage attacks but if you’re used to mk6 knife PA it plays pretty similar to that

[nocturne dust]

(it's worse than mk6 tho)

(in terms of single target dps)

[zinc phoenix]

For me the big frustration of the mk6 is that it’s not good at what I most want it to be good at: blending hordes for more special

[nocturne dust]

But it is good

It's actually very good at that

Like, it may not be mk8, but it's very close.

[zinc phoenix]

It’s good at donking carapace for sure and I like it in that role but the attack pattern isn’t as good at massacring hordes as the mk8

[nocturne dust]

and actually

the mk6 has a similar pattern for hordes as the mk8 does for elites

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah they’re both very close in performance to the other one’s good stuff which is why they’re well balanced and both valid choices and it is a matter of preference

[nocturne dust]

i.e. its best horde clear is locked behind push attack

[zinc phoenix]

Right, which is why it’s better if you’re using melee primarily for elites and relying on stick/assail for horde clear

[nocturne dust]

I haven't tested how close in damage the horde clear patterns are tho

[languid tusk]

should i use the mk6 if i want to play mostly melee psyker with scrier gaze and disrupt destiny ?

[nocturne dust]

yes

or the mk8

[zinc phoenix]

From my experience using both and taking advantage of the combos for both the mk8 flows thru hordes a lot better and more conveniently because you don’t have to constantly flip the combo back for horde clear

[nocturne dust]

it's splitting hairs, both mks work very well and it's just preference at the end of the day

[plucky flax]

I am noob I honestly just light spam for horde on mk6 xd

[nocturne dust]

but I will never forgive dirty mk8 lovers

[zinc phoenix]

While the mk6 is great if you want to duel maulers and crushers b/c you don’t have to worry about the poke absolutely obliterating a random pox walker instead of the actual target

[nocturne dust]

[zinc phoenix]

I prefer to back off and use laspistol or staff for the big boys while using sword for horde so I tend to prefer mk8

[deft stump]

Also dueling pogryn.

[zinc phoenix]

Also I underestimated the team play value of being able to delete bosses with the las pistol

[nocturne dust]

I mean even when I use fgs for hordes, I still prefer the mk6

Horizontals overrated

[languid tusk]

shred + momentum ok for blessings ?

[nocturne dust]

eh, sure

[zinc phoenix]

There are a lot of valid blessing combos

[lilac summit]

ayo the new sword has bromentum?

[zinc phoenix]

I have like 6 different setups for fgs

[nocturne dust]

no

get out

[languid tusk]

regular momentum, not brutal momentum

[zinc phoenix]

IMO it is by far the coolest and most interesting weapon we have

[nocturne dust]

yes

now where new staff

[deft stump]

But what else can it be?

[plucky flax]

But why don't you bistol with it

[deft stump]

Oh, ray.

[zinc phoenix]

I hope they add a staff with serious skill expression opportunities

[plucky flax]

Cool melee + cool range

[deft stump]

Just beeg beemu spammu.

[languid tusk]

quell canceling surge left click not skilful enough for you ?

[zinc phoenix]

I tried your bistol build a few times and felt it wasn’t solving the problems I had + shriek felt weird for me in havoc. Damage output was damn good tho

As always your builds are high performing, no question

[nocturne dust]

beam, shrapnel storm, blackhole

tornado

[plucky flax]

Oh I don't really play bistol too much in havoc only sub 30

It's more for maelstrom

[radiant frigate]

i hope they add a staff with BONK

[lilac summit]

gimme a gravity gun staff so i can throw poxbusters into hordes

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-do-that-here-black-panther-tchalla-bruce-gif-16558003

[zinc phoenix]

I’ll never go back! Never!

[deft stump]

Just melee quarterstaff?

[languid tusk]

biomancer staff, you use it to hit enemies in the face

[nocturne dust]

We're Psykers, our skill expression is how long it takes for us to die

[zinc phoenix]

I just think staff combos would be mega cool

[radiant frigate]

that would be cool too

but i am not sure it can compete with the glory of force bigsword

[nocturne dust]

[zinc phoenix]

Like we’re supposed to be super smart weezards but our magic attacks are literally just “spam right click” and “occasionally left click” with all the skill expression in positioning and taking advantage of the many tools

[nocturne dust]

Havoc stinky

[deft stump]

Just needs to be cool.

[nocturne dust]

Embrace Auric supremacy

[lilac summit]

force bigsword cant even compete with dueling sword

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[radiant frigate]

cease your heresy right now

[deft stump]

Toothpick op. Ogryns need to get it as well.

[lilac summit]

"1 taps your head"

[deft stump]

Ezy fix/buff.

[zinc phoenix]

What I’d like is a staff with ranged combos, ideally centered around being able to trigger different kinds of attacks based on different combos

[nocturne dust]

Force greatsword can't compete with Devil's Claw in parrying

buff FGS

[plucky flax]

Havoc but I still need shit loads of assists

[nocturne dust]

ew

[zinc phoenix]

Like imagine light light heavy is an explosion but heavy heavy is an implosion and stuff like that s

[nocturne dust]

This mfer wants his ranged combat to be melee

[zinc phoenix]

So you can suck baddies in and then boom em apart

[deft stump]

Just go play Invoker or summthing.

[radiant frigate]

voidblazeshockblaststrike (all 4 other staff attacks in different combos)

[radiant frigate]

mobas are smelly and we do not like them

[lilac summit]

people who play mobas are smelly and we do not like them

ftfy

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah, but make em tricky to access and bill me in heavy peril so that it’s hard to take advantage of

[plucky flax]

Herald involer let's go

[zinc phoenix]

Idk what that means

[radiant frigate]

complicated dota character

[deft stump]

Go play a piano then.

[zinc phoenix]

If dota wasn’t ass cancer in game form i might try it

[deft stump]

Basically. Memorisation and such.

[radiant frigate]

press buttons in different orders to create a morbillion different spells

[shut breach]

QWWRDWWWRDQWERDWWERD

[lilac summit]

i personally would love a dmc style pandoras box staff

with way too many combos to be actually viable

[shut breach]

we have precisely three buttons for the weapon how the heck would you even get it to work lmao

[zinc phoenix]

Exactly

[shut breach]

activate special to enter Invoke mode then use any inputs to invoke something

like it was helldivers

[lilac summit]

3 buttons already give you a heck of a lot of combinations

[shut breach]

lmao

[radiant frigate]

activate special to cycle through staff movesets

[zinc phoenix]

I want a stick that makes you god tier if you can actually make it work but nobody can actually make it work 😂

[shut breach]

Yeah but one of them has to actually shoot shit

[lilac summit]

what if

and bear with me here

[shut breach]

I think the whole "Special to activate invocation mode, then input anything" works better

[lilac summit]

all 3 shot shit

[deft stump]

But the combo you shoot in triggers bigger boomies.

[zinc phoenix]

We have staves like that, it’s time for the New

[deft stump]

And effects.

But boomies.

[hearty wolf]

Make a staff that taps the magic potential of what you kill.

Biggest buff comes from killing DH's, new element of the run unlocked

[radiant frigate]

kill a daemonhost to start throwing daemon missiles at heretics

[marble crater]

He wants Invoker as a weapon

[deft stump]

Path of Tzeentch. Sus.

[lilac summit]

give me invoker as a weapon yes

[hearty wolf]

Max powered DH staff you can throw like a spear and it keeps pulsing lightning in the arc that you threw it in for 2000 damage per tick

[lilac summit]

so i can style on mfs

[nocturne dust]

I hope Fatshark is taking notes on what not to do

[deft stump]

I also meant old invoker. Where specific combos in specific order gets different spells.

[lilac summit]

historically they have been so great at that

[radiant frigate]

you say this but we still had no "crafting" at release (and when we got it, it still wasn't exactly crafting for another few eternities)

and now we are back to weave gear

[lilac summit]

i was being very sarcastic

it doesnt translate in text im aware

[zinc phoenix]

The gear system now is honestly exactly what I wanted

[radiant frigate]

Yes

[zinc phoenix]

Other than removing stat rng and allowing me to one click buy mastery

Bill me whatever exorbitant amount, I just don’t want to click

[radiant frigate]

i just think it is really funny that they pretty much already had this system 1 to 1 in vt2

[lilac summit]

what if we made a new game but we carry over NO of the QoL systems

[zinc phoenix]

I remember more stat fuckery and mats shortage in VT2 but I also kinda hated that game

[lilac summit]

then content drip feed those qol features

[zinc phoenix]

VT1 I played a lot but don’t remember, it just felt like knockoff l4d2

But with rats

[radiant frigate]

left 5 rat

[shut breach]

Pretty much

Instead of THP or toughness, blessed weapons just gave you hp really slowly

[hearty wolf]

I keep thinking that I want to reinstall vt2

I felt like it had a lot better maps and variety

I just didn't like the skill system as much (I'm aware it's just a skill tree with text boxes instead) and I hated being locked to one of each character

[shut breach]

TBH VT2 is better in a lot of ways, but the friendly fire and number of sienna abusers made me quit

You think anything you can do is busted

[radiant frigate]

MAYFLIES

[shut breach]

Infinite cleave DoT push 0 stamina cost

staggers heavies

[radiant frigate]

coruscation staff exists and i took that personally

[shut breach]

burns through them

like I'm not even talking corrus staff yet, Fire Sword by itself makes battle wizard completely braindead

[radiant frigate]

also necromancer patch broke my fps for some reason

[shut breach]

then you have fire path

[radiant frigate]

(it is ok now i think)

[shut breach]

which is two teleport "dashes" that can do boss-killing DoT damage

corrus staff

I think that thing can kill chaos warriors even

[radiant frigate]

given enough time yes

[shut breach]

just famished flames abuse is so busted

no like just stack 3 and it doesn't even take that long

Might have had fire sword heavy dot on it too

[radiant frigate]

problem is that fire sword used as a weapon rather than a glorified flamey shield bash kind of sucks

imagine if force swords except you don't use the sword

[shut breach]

It's fine

like

[radiant frigate]

just your empty left hand

[shut breach]

Heavy 2 isn't awful

but yeah for anyone unware, in vermintide shield bashes aren't normal attacks like Ogryn shield bashes are here.

They're basically pushes with moderate damage

infinite cleave, pissant damage for most of them,

[radiant frigate]

i wasn't aware ogryn shield bashes are any different

[shut breach]

Nah they are, they're just wide normal attacks

it's why brutal momentum is such a big deal. It keeps H1's first target damage on up to 5 enemies

[late sapphire]

pretty quickly actually yes

Hello it's me fire sword coruscation staff battle wizard player

[shut breach]

Try using creature spawner to create a hyperdense poxwalker and hit them with it. Unlike foot knight bashing, it won't hit the whole load of them, just the first....8, 12 with brumentum

which was fine because most bashes weren't really damaging so they were just a way to give shields extra CC while their other attacks did the damage.

[late sapphire]

I love my fire sword refilling all of my thp in one h1 and i love my corus staff killing everything even bosses

[shut breach]

But then firesword applies a huge DoT

[radiant frigate]

vile creature

[shut breach]

atleast have the decency to use beam or fireball lmao

oh yeah that's one other thing I'm glad psyker doesn't have.

Bolt Staff.

[late sapphire]

I also play jav kerillian, torpedo bardin and team-killing griffonfoot bh saltz

[shut breach]

That thing looked ridiculous

Like ever see it in third person?

[languid tusk]

ridonkulous

[haughty star]

I just can't get behind how slow the 6 feels. That mf is slow as hell

[nocturne dust]

Ogryn gets h2 which is similar to VT2 shield bashes

infinite cleave, high stagger

[deft stump]

It's not slow, you are slow. HRMPH.

[haughty star]

Its like swinging a sledgehammer and the horde clear is pretty awful in comparison. 8 feels like it gets best of both deimos and illisis traits while 6 just feels like really slow deimos with a cool special

[deft stump]

I dunno, 8 feels way more horde clear.

But when your staff is burny stick, I just want something to bonk big things.

[haughty star]

Thats fair. I just take ds4 with purg cuz the whole purg nonsense feels really slow so it's nice taking a break from that with ds

[deft stump]

I'm just sick of DS4 after Zealot and Vet, lul.

[radiant frigate]

four horsemen of the apocalypse

[tacit stump]

i hope they buff the normal force sword specials

[haughty star]

Illisis is fine

The other two got stinky specs tho. Basically only for style points

[radiant frigate]

i have zero clue what you're talking about

[fluid charm]

The psylot build is so funny to me, here's a psyker that'll blast people to bits with warp but nope just pulls out an AK and a bowie knife to kill the heretics

[marble crater]

If it works, it works

[eternal surge]

i think psykers SUCK

[vernal temple]

https://tenor.com/view/sobbing-gif-sobbing-uoooh-gif-24612778

[marble crater]

Well I think your rock sucks

[radiant frigate]

it's okay to be wrong sometimes

[patent mango]

i think ogryn needs a greatsword

[eternal surge]

Ogryn should get the duelling sword
it’s only fair

[slim acorn]

anyone got a link to a solid bubble build?

[marble crater]

I can make one. For which staff?

[slim acorn]

i'm willing to play around with pretty much any. I want to experiment rn

[marble crater]

And Havoc or not Havoc?

[slim acorn]

for now not havoc

[marble crater]

Something like this for inferno and blaze voidblast staff builds

[slim acorn]

thank you

[uncut sable]

only 150 more penance score until i get Blessed Momento Mori

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeon-meshi-delicious-in-dungeon-trigger-anime-studio-trigger-dungeon-anime-gif-9966426212607434483

[dull gyro]

inferno without the crit=dodge talent?

[marble crater]

For inferno you can take it and drop the last warp charge upgrade or something else

[plucky flax]

If you play havoc there are bubbles all the time it's okay without.

[marble crater]

Or just never leave the bubble

[zinc phoenix]

woo did an auric and the teams are something else

i went thru two in the first two rooms

literally just spawn -> die near instantly to a pox walker -> leave

repeat ad nauseum

[analog agate]

Swap one with the warp for EE

[zinc phoenix]

then i got a special ed type who tried to "add value" by telling people what was around his corpse

which he had plenty of time to do as he was a corpse 90% of the match

[marble crater]

That's what I do in havoc
The build is not for havoc and for both staves, so should be fine

[plucky flax]

Why would you run bubble when not playing havoc?

[analog agate]

Ohhh I thought it was for havoc

[upper sun]

because im cheesing the ranged maelstrom

[marble crater]

Some people like bubble playstyle, it's comfy when starting to learn psyker

[upper sun]

stop enjoying things

[marble crater]

No, my first 50 levels or so I played nothing but purgatus bubble psyker

[zinc phoenix]

Bubble is solid even in auric if you just want to vibe with sword

Put your happy bubble down, stab stuff, have infinity toughness regen and don’t worry about shooters

[upper sun]

my first 300 were surge illisi because i couldnt craft anything else successfully

[marble crater]

[radiant frigate]

i'm starting to like my comfy thunderdome

[plucky flax]

[radiant frigate]

ok based

[plucky flax]

Nice dps loss in maelstrom

[radiant frigate]

that said it's really not required outside of havoc

maybe i will try shriek again

[plucky flax]

If you shriek and use your big sword special at the same time it's extra cool.

[upper sun]

smh they should make fgs special proc blazing

just for frun...

its not gonna be broken or anything i swear

[patent mango]

make it proc true aim 🔥

[broken carbon]

that would be even more broken

[zinc phoenix]

I just want it to make things it kills explode

Big dramatic explosions too

Yeah idk both experiences I’ve had of auric maels post havoc have been terrible

Leavers, perma corpses, total incompetence, total lack of dps

[nocturne dust]

Showstopper 2.0

[finite forge]

whats a normal dump stat on dueling sword for flamer pyskers?

[deft stump]

You pick mobility or cleave damage.

[marble crater]

Cleave dump, gotta go fast

[runic juniper]

definitely cleave if you're using a staff 90% of the time. you just switch to dueling sword to deal with specials or the few times a single elite is left out of the crowd

[nocturne dust]

cleave is like 5 damage on a poxwalker

when not dumped

sooooooooo

cleave

[patent mango]

wow riposte precog is really strong

epic win

time to just ripost precog gaming then get warp split 🔥

[steady yarrow]

Is lmb surge still a thing?

[nocturne dust]

yes

[upper sun]

back in my day... we had to break our fingers to do damage on surge....

[flat shadow]

Well it used to just be smite

makes sense

[nocturne dust]

That's just cuz Hadron demanded sacrifices to be given good weapons

[upper sun]

smh kids these days with their macros...

[near wyvern]

If you like disgusting things

[patent mango]

zomboid mauler

[subtle harbor]

All the talents that say “killing an enemy with soulblaze” is that the enemy dying from soulblaze damage or dying with soulblaze active?

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/it's-complicated-okay-michelangelo-tales-of-the-teenage-mutant-ninja-turtles-don't-ask-shamon-brown-jr-gif-10784313897067706672

[patent mango]

did anyone even test that yet

[nocturne dust]

Souldrinker has been tested and is known to mostly be on death from soulblaze. It can also proc if soulblaze damages at the same moment of death.

In Fire Reborn is supposed to work the same, but is untested.

[wicked hornet]

@nocturne dust can you dump any other stat besides warp resistant on the surge staff?

[nocturne dust]

I mean, you can

Definitely suboptimal to do so

[subtle harbor]

So soulblaze death talents seem pretty shit then

Cause its a tossup whether it procs or not

[nocturne dust]

no

well Souldrinker yes

[subtle harbor]

Does damage from thr inferno staff count as soulblaze?

[nocturne dust]

In Fire Reborn tho, no matter how it works has been used enough that it's good on soulblaze-heavy builds like Inferno staff

[nocturne dust]

No

but Inferno does apply soulblaze

Inferno deals damage in two ways, direct damage and by applying soulblaze at the same(ish) time

[wicked hornet]

would you run ER on a surge build or just quell your heart out

[nocturne dust]

Generally, Inferno's damage ratio is 2 parts soulblaze, 1 part direct damage

[nocturne dust]

I would never run EK without ER

or are you talking about the blessing

[wicked hornet]

the talent

[nocturne dust]

the surge blessing

I know you're talking about Empyric Resolve

[wicked hornet]

no I'm talking about the staff not the blessing

[nocturne dust]

Yes, use ER with EK

[subtle harbor]

I really think that “kill with soulblaze” should be just if its applied. Cause as far as my experience goes. Death from soulblaze isn’t super common given that you’re probably not waiting for them to die from it. Feel free to ratio me lol

Given i’m not done with my build so i cant actually test that

[wicked hornet]

I just hate how it messes with the toughness generation nodes.

[nocturne dust]

It's very common at higher difficulties where you have plenty of enemies and the inability to murder most of them as rapidly as Psyker can with soulblaze

[subtle harbor]

Ooooooooooo

[nocturne dust]

Psyker's soulblaze application generally ignores both walls and enemy count

[subtle harbor]

My knock-off unchained build might be good afterall

[nocturne dust]

Perilous Combustion and Shriek both do this

and Blazing Spirit Trauma/Inferno do as well

(but Inferno does not ignore walls)

[wicked hornet]

I will say with ER it makes the staff much more fun to play instead of playing quell simulator.

[nocturne dust]

Don't get hit

[wicked hornet]

hmm....

[nocturne dust]

That is actually the advice here for ER. Yes, it hurts, but you have to work around it.

[subtle harbor]

Question. What’s ER

[nocturne dust]

Most people can get skilled enough to avoid damage in such a way that ER really doesn't do anything bad for you, because on higher difficulties you either avoid damage (beyond the first hit that doesn't eat through your HP) or die

if you get hit rapidly in succession, you will die with or without ER. If you don't get hit rapidly, ER won't change anything.

(because you will regen all your toughness anyway)

[wicked hornet]

I do agree with you. I'm working on it

[nocturne dust]

Empyric Resolve, a talent towards the bottom of Psyker's tree

[wicked hornet]

my melee is what struggles

[nocturne dust]

which is very, very good for staff builds

[nocturne dust]

If you're running a full staff build, you should generally not have to pull out your melee barring mutants

[wicked hornet]

hordes I take to much chip damage so I need to block more often instead of just swing

[nocturne dust]

or repositioning

or bosses

stupid bosses

[wicked hornet]

that's why I like knife due to letting me reposition much easier.

[nocturne dust]

Shriek + Perilous Combustion + Psykinetics should let you deal with the horde pretty easily

also, you generally don't want to be blocking hordes if you can help it

Blocking is great with Kinetic Deflection, but you don't do damage while blocking. I only block if a situation is too hectic and I need a moment to figure out what is going on

[wicked hornet]

good info

[nocturne dust]

or need my dodges/stamina to recharge

What you should do against hordes in melee is push

which is 360 degrees btw

[wicked hornet]

really?

wow

[nocturne dust]

Yes

Blocking is 360 too

except for ranged blocking

but that only matters if you take Deflector or are Shieldgryn

[wicked hornet]

I've thought about Force sword with deflector

I see AgentChaos use it

also would you use psychic vampire on a EK staff?

I wouldn't think so bc if you're alone in a clutch situation it wont do anything for you

[nocturne dust]

Yes

In Fire Reborn is only better on heavy soulblaze situations like Inferno or Blaze Trauma

and even then, I still take Psychic on Blaze Trauma because it's more consistent

[nocturne dust]

It still works on your own kills

[wicked hornet]

like if not in coherency it still counts for you

[nocturne dust]

uh wat?

If you kill something

you get 4% chance of charge

If ally kills something while ally is in coherency

you get 4% chance of charge

[zinc phoenix]

When I do tryhard 40h runs I bring a deimos with deflector +2 stam and block eff

And rely on trauma staff

So imo deflector has a role if you’re going full staff play and you expect shooters to annihilate you

Otherwise I don’t think it makes sense rlly

Bc you can rely on positioning around cover elements or EE procs to protect you from range

[nocturne dust]

+2 stam?

[zinc phoenix]

I also run a +3 stam curio now

So I basically am unstoppable block monster

Which is what I want, if I’m doing a 40 run as the blaze trauma bubble spammer the team dies if I die 90% of the time. So I want to ensure that it’d take an act of god or a ledge to kill me

[fathom adder]

Guessing breakpoints don't matter as much when everything is a damage sponge and you're relying on dot damage to bypass that

[nocturne dust]

Uh, no, my point was that there's no reason to take +2 stam over a +3 stam

[zinc phoenix]

On the sword

[fathom adder]

Didn't think weapons could have +3 stam

[nocturne dust]

on the sword

[zinc phoenix]

So +3 curio with a +2 on the sword

[nocturne dust]

but why?

[nocturne dust]

That seems like extreme amounts of overkill

[zinc phoenix]

Because I want to have unlimited access to active defense

[nocturne dust]

Do you not run KD?

[zinc phoenix]

I do run KD

[nocturne dust]

That seems like extreme amounts of overkill

[cloud lodge]

When the hell am I supposed to use the Greatsword slash

[nocturne dust]

Especially on Trauma

[wicked hornet]

cough cough... I use 2 +3 stamina curios with a +2 stamina on weapon

[zinc phoenix]

I really do not want to die 😂 and it works, I am always the last down and do a bunch of damage

[nocturne dust]

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️ Seems inefficient

[zinc phoenix]

All of the 40 runs I hosted have been wins

[cloud lodge]

Shit feels finicky and doesn't wanna activate so I get mauled with 2 charges because sparkshit mcgee doesn't wanna caress the sword

[magic sparrow]

Anyone have a pic of some dps builds I can try out for a gunner psyker? If possible

Just got to level 30 and feel like I could be doing more damage wise

[zinc phoenix]

Push attack into slash

[nocturne dust]

That just shows you have good luck Never had the full team DCed simultaneously yet?

[zinc phoenix]

One bar if you just want to kill horde

[fathom adder]

I was gonna say, elite packs or hordes with elites mixed in

[zinc phoenix]

Two bar if you want to kill shotgunners

One bar also kills trappers and other weak specials

[fathom adder]

Depending on the situation it might be worth throwing it into them even with less than a full charge, just to stagger them

[zinc phoenix]

Inefficient is expecting to make heavy use of a melee weapon for anything other than mutie stabs and blocking when running trauma. With that setup I can just walk forward blocking gunners and protecting people doing obj and whatever else I need totally safe

Or run forever basically 😂

Because also stam regen

[nocturne dust]

I can do all of those things with only a +3 stam tho

In fact, run forever just requires good sliding

[zinc phoenix]

I mean I’ve talked about all the fgs play I do, there’s no stam on it

But when I’m doing a tryhard run I want overkill

[nocturne dust]

wdym, it has a +3

In fact, i only run +3 stam with dueling sword and knife

[zinc phoenix]

Do I really need to explain what I mean there?

Really?

Come on

[upper sun]

because its dodges are ass

[nocturne dust]

Right

[upper sun]

and also because you're expected to PA more

[nocturne dust]

but you have plenty of stam with KD

[deft stump]

When +11 stam?

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah the PA with a +3 curio is just so much easier to spam

[nocturne dust]

ah, is this weird mk8 weakness shoring?

[patent mango]

only mk8

[zinc phoenix]

You don’t PA on mk6??

[nocturne dust]

I don't need to, no

[patent mango]

i mean for poxbursters sure

[zinc phoenix]

Do you just not care about the horde combo?

[patent mango]

huh

[nocturne dust]

Yep

[zinc phoenix]

Okie

[deft stump]

Just spam lights.

[patent mango]

just stab them normally

[nocturne dust]

Just spam lights

[patent mango]

no

[nocturne dust]

Like, is it optimal? No. Does it matter? Also no.

[zinc phoenix]

Well, I make regular use of the PA on both weapons to enter the good combos and as a result I like a stam curio

[nocturne dust]

The mk6 clears hordes with or without the optimal combo.

🤷‍♂️

[zinc phoenix]

It’s difficult to discuss the merits of the two marks when people reject using their combos — aka the thing that provides most of the differentiation and access to the best attacks — but still weigh in on it 🤷‍♀️

I suppose if you literally just want to spam lights tho the mk6 is probably your best bet

[nocturne dust]

That's completely unfair, because I support the mk6 despite not using its optimal combos

when comparing it to the mk8

[patent mango]

idk light spam on mk6 is so goofy

just use the heavy too

lllh

[cloud lodge]

What are the gray numbers in the brackets next to the yellow numbers on weapon stat inspect

[nocturne dust]

I could

but I won't

[patent mango]

lock in and minmax it by pressing random buttons on keyboard

[cloud lodge]

Is the left 0% and the right 100%? Even though we can't get 100% so including that number is one of the decisions ever?

[nocturne dust]

If you rebind everything to the same key, you only have to press a single button to win

[patent mango]

dont question it we'll find out why 100% exists in 9 years

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️

[nocturne dust]

Also, idk mahn, I don't think I'd ever use the PA enough to qualify for all that stamina

[patent mango]

idk its nice to not need a stam curio on fgs

[zinc phoenix]

Are you not dueling mauler blobs?

[patent mango]

5 stam is good

u dont need pa for maulers

[nocturne dust]

Even on the mk8 when I was using its proper combos I didn't use the PA enough to warrant tons of stamina

[zinc phoenix]

Going push into PA vs mauler blobs makes the fight substantially safer

[nocturne dust]

Aren't you on trauma

[zinc phoenix]

BC you assplant them

[zinc phoenix]

No, only with deimos

[nocturne dust]

wat

[zinc phoenix]

Otherwise I’m using zap stick or laspistol and going melee

[patent mango]

don wana go back to deimos stagger again....

[nocturne dust]

then why bring up FGS

[cloud lodge]

What blessings yall use on a revolver
Run n gun is my main one but idk for the second one. Just use the extra reload speed one rn

[patent mango]

idk probably crucian roulette hand cannon for big crit damig

[zinc phoenix]

I use FGS with laspistol/zap and that’s my fun build that does a lot of damage. I use deimos with stacked stam, deflector, block eff with blaze trauma for my tryhard build because it’s unkillable and extremely dangerous but boring

[nocturne dust]

yeah

but why stack stam

[zinc phoenix]

Because stam is literally always useful

[nocturne dust]

It's literally not

[patent mango]

stam is fine

[zinc phoenix]

And because I have plenty of survivability

[nocturne dust]

It is

but also

more stam does nothing

[cloud lodge]

Do most use the braced version or the Iron sights?

[patent mango]

iron sight

[nocturne dust]

like, if you don't run out of stamina the difference between +99 and +3 is effectively 0

[patent mango]

the fanning one did get buffs but idk

[zinc phoenix]

IMO it’s not that good on psyker

And it’s really bad in havoc

[cloud lodge]

Thats the neat part, im not in havoc

[nocturne dust]

Run N Gun bad

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️ whatever will be fine

[cloud lodge]

Me want shoot and run😤

[nocturne dust]

slide

[lofty marsh]

It's kinda boring because it's super meta for it, but Surgical HC is decent on psyker, though I'm fairly partial to Surgical Crucian

[nocturne dust]

Hand Cannon and Surgical/Crucian for Zarona/Agrippina

[lofty marsh]

Crucian is super overrated tbh

[nocturne dust]

Sure

but there's no better blessing for Agrippina

[lofty marsh]

Sure there is, Trickshooter

[nocturne dust]

Not a chance

[zinc phoenix]

The best blessing is the scrap button 😤

[lofty marsh]

Hit your shots lmao

[nocturne dust]

chained weakspots?

On the weapon that wants you to fan it down range?

[zinc phoenix]

Chained weak spots is a big ask tbh

[cloud lodge]

sigh
Perks?

[lofty marsh]

Weakspot damage, manic

[nocturne dust]

wat

no

[lofty marsh]

or flak

[nocturne dust]

excuse me

[lofty marsh]

your choice

[nocturne dust]

weakspot damage?

[zinc phoenix]

Surely you’d want to meme with carapace if you’re takin can opener stuff

[lofty marsh]

Yes, you speak english

[cloud lodge]

Not gonna use weakspot damage because my aim is not that good

[zinc phoenix]

It’s also a bad pick

So you’re safe

[lofty marsh]

Then I would use a different gun lol

[nocturne dust]

Weakspot damage doesn't calculate off total damage, it's bad

It's really bad

💀

[zinc phoenix]

But revolver is definitely a “you need to aim” gun

[lofty marsh]

Is scales base damage

[zinc phoenix]

If you want to halfass your aiming with a good pistol take laspistol

[cloud lodge]

Counter point, deez nuts

[nocturne dust]

You are factually incorrect

[lofty marsh]

Gimme a sec, you got me doubting my memory, I'm checking the code

[nocturne dust]

unless Fatshark changed something without telling anyone

weakspot damage and crit damage both don't calculate off total damage

[marble crater]

[lofty marsh]

me rn

[nocturne dust]

[lofty marsh]

It only scales the bonus damage from finesse modifier

bro wtf

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[lofty marsh]

Still decent on DS tho

[nocturne dust]

Eeeeeeehhhhhhhh

maybe for Zealot, I forget how it calculates with Duelist

[upper galleon]

ehh

for large numbers like precog

yea

for perk slot?

no

[lofty marsh]

How does it work with DD Scriers?

[cloud lodge]

Welp time to start a new rabbit hole
Whats the suggestions for this doo dad

[upper galleon]

it's all the same calculation so yea, DD scriers would be good

[lofty marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/mohg-elden-ring-dance-pajama-mohgwyn-gif-13870174183658015178

Oh lol, I wasn't even running ws damage

[cloud lodge]

None of the blessings on dis laser thingamajig speak to me

[marble crater]

This guy

[nocturne dust]

That doesn't actually provide an answer

[lofty marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/wojak-elden-ring-albinauric-pointing-fingers-gif-25305896

[marble crater]

What laser thing?

[cloud lodge]

Le pistol

[lofty marsh]

which version of it?

[cloud lodge]

Eh? The laser pistol

[marble crater]

Check the vet guide

[lofty marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/kyodo-gif-21531758

[upper galleon]

i mean how welse would it work with dd scrier's

[nocturne dust]

(actually don't because the vet guide works off vet BPs)

[lofty marsh]

Might swap the wsd for maniac

[upper galleon]

only thing that doesn't use the bonus damage calculation exactly is zealot's duelist talent

[nocturne dust]

wdym how else

'in the same calculation' means nothing

[marble crater]

Can't be that different, surely?

[nocturne dust]

(very different)

I mean

[cloud lodge]

shuffles back into malice because I'm a failure

[nocturne dust]

We probably end up taking similar stuff but in the case we don't it can really mess you up

[lofty marsh]

Watch some videos of high level play, try to emulate until you understand why they do the things they do

Instantly become better than 60% of AuricDamn randos

[nocturne dust]

Uuuuuhhhhhh

Idk

[marble crater]

Play damnation until you

[nocturne dust]

Youtube is full of strange Darktiders

[upper galleon]

it applies to the bonus damage from crit/weakspot

[nocturne dust]

yes

[marble crater]

AgentChaos

[upper galleon]

the difference between precog dd scriers vs perks is just a difference of value

[nocturne dust]

But does it stack additively or multiplicatively

with the other bonuses

[lofty marsh]

Tanner, Reginald, Choco are all good-great players

Some have weird takes, but their gameplay is tight

[cloud lodge]

Understanding why people do things is half of an issue
Execution is a different game
I can do damnation as long as I got a good team

Bro wtf

Two times in a row I get stupid abort error

How fun

[nocturne dust]

welcome to Bugtide

[cloud lodge]

tries to play malice
Game: how about no

[marble crater]

If you can do damnation with a good team just keep playing damnation

[cloud lodge]

Ffffffine

[marble crater]

Eventually someone will go down and you will be forced to pick up the slack and get better

[nocturne dust]

Put your face into the brick wall until the brick wall breaks

[cloud lodge]

I just need to get a good team so I can do private game penances

[marble crater]

Pretty much, you won't get better from not being challenged to get better

[cloud lodge]

Me want cool armor

[nocturne dust]

Me going back to Aurics and noticing it's way easier (after taking a few matches to readjust )

[marble crater]

Not me losing auric because everyone is fucking around instead of playing half seriously

[pliant plover]

Out of curiosity how did this go?

[nocturne dust]

Although the overall difficulty in auric is about the same because the players are worse so I have to carry them more now 💀

Me going from occasional clutch to half the match clutching is a ride

[lofty marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-twitch-twitchtv-twitch-emote-kek-gif-19085736

Sustained fire is bugged again

Works on the first shot

Surgical Sus fire Zarona revolver time

Love this build. Not meta, just deeply entertaining.

[nocturne dust]

Getting freaky with the talent tree I see

[lofty marsh]

Oh no! 30 ragers!

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

[marble crater]

Looking at that makes me anxious

[lofty marsh]

It plays super fun

I'm fully addicted to warp unbound tho

[patent mango]

warp unbound fans when the nvm the bug killed them

[upper sun]

anyone wanna play?

[zinc phoenix]

Fire/dum dum with crit and unyielding makes for a solid boss deleter. You can also do other things with the perks

[lofty marsh]

Everytime it happens I fight the urge to mail dangerous things

[lofty marsh]

What kind of missions?

[upper sun]

auric

[lofty marsh]

sure

strike team 15

[upper sun]

i cant talk

+2

[patent mango]

-2

[subtle harbor]

Creeping flames or warp rupture?

Actually fuck it im going scriers gaze

[marble crater]

Flames, always

[subtle harbor]

I’m building around peril generation and scriers gaze seems so much cooler for that

[marble crater]

I guess, what are you trying to do with the peril generation?

[subtle harbor]

I’m just fuckin around really. Feeling out what works and what doesn’t. Taking the stuff that scales with peril. Trying to make something like unchained sienna

[haughty star]

Tf is a unchained sienna

[subtle harbor]

Does quell speed buffs only effect when you’re actively quelling. Or does it effect passive quell as well

[subtle harbor]

Career from vermintide 2

[haughty star]

I'm pretty sure it's only active quell

Also fun fact ER is multiplicative

Inner tranquility is HUGELY more powerful with ER than without and vice versa

[native juniper]

Can someone help me with cliffhanger (asia)

[subtle harbor]

I am loving my build now that I’ve completely gotten rid of my soulburn focus

[marble crater]

You can try this #psyker-class message it doesn't really depend on what your team is doing

[native juniper]

Literally no one is joining

and the others who do join go A-train on hordes

I await my death

[marble crater]

Not joining what?

[native juniper]

The mission

[marble crater]

At that spot in the video your team can't kill the horde that easily, you just need the mission and a horde joining from there

[native juniper]

Rn im at chasm

Im stuck at 5/7

[marble crater]

Are there no players in normal missions in asia server?

[native juniper]

Its 4 am

😭

[marble crater]

[native juniper]

Does uh

venting shriek

have less kb

[marble crater]

My ping to asia is awful, sadly

[native juniper]

I will genuinely switch servers

just to get this penance

[marble crater]

Venting shriek knockback should scale with peril

[native juniper]

Im at a low level mission

i think i kill some of the mobs

with shriek due to the flame

[marble crater]

At low levels your problem is probably the bots killing everything

[native juniper]

I killed the bots

YES

A HORDE

I GOT IT

YES

FINALLY

MY SUFFERING

HAS ENDED

😭

[marble crater]

congratz

[native juniper]

IVE BEEN AT THIS FOR 6 hours

😭

[lofty marsh]

Just did that

Auric Hishock

The build is fully viable

[marble crater]

I see a wild clad

[lofty marsh]

wild clad?

not familliar

[patent jacinth]

Clad

A person

[lofty marsh]

Ahh, not wild

we squaded

[verbal thistle]

he is wild

[radiant frigate]

on mk6?

where exactly do you need PA for hordes on mk6

[lofty marsh]

You don't

https://tenor.com/view/mohg-elden-ring-dance-pajama-mohgwyn-gif-13870174183658015178

Unstable power wrath 100% cleave node and you can do whatever the fuck you want with the mk6

Aint nothin stopping it

[verbal inlet]

Scrier w/ mk8 great sword is fun but I feel like assail is a nonbo, since its fun and easy to just kill hordes with the great sword. Any thoughts on another Blitz to take but still going for scrier's?

[median sorrel]

mohg beating the allegations 🙏

[lofty marsh]

nonbo?

[verbal inlet]

oh sorry, like a "non-combo"

Just that they cover the same use it feels

[lofty marsh]

Warp unbound

now they synergize through Malefic momentum

Unstable power on the sword and swap weapons a bunch

if you need to maintain your bonus to non warp damage, you can charge the blade even if it's at 0 bars and the actual hit of the blade counts as warp

I feel like people really sleep on how good Malefic momentum is

[verbal inlet]

Ok cool, I'll try abusing that synergy! Thanks!

Swapping off the sword to throw a couple shard and then swap back seems fun and malefic momentum seems strong

swapping off sword means less big fun energy blasts but yknow, such is life

[lofty marsh]

Yeah, but with warp unbound, warp rider, unstable power, and malefic you literally delete anything smaller than an ogryn with the wave

even maulers

[verbal inlet]

sick

Im still really bad at recognizing anything thats not trash. "Oh that looks like it wont die in one swing, guess I'll pull out out the bolter"

[nocturne dust]

Tag it

if you can tag it, it ain't trash

[marble crater]

If you can tag it? Still trash

[clear heath]

I only had time for 1 auric game.
I did fine, scriers knife/inferno works well enough, but the bleed from flesh tearer basically did nothing

[haughty star]

I been running this and I find the uptime of scriers is much more worth than juggling assail to keep mm up in between cuz you can't really proc mm without burning yourself out of scriers

You don't actually use the blitz

Its just there for path and kinetic flayer is based

Loads of TDR and all the necessary grabs along the way. It's quickly become my favorite build tbh. I run this with illisi/deimos or fgs 8 and recon 12 or heavy las and it's savage. Having scriers or its effects up all the time is based as hell

[near wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-carell-the-office-yikes-this-is-the-worst-cringe-gif-21219465

[haughty star]

Don't knock it till ya try it lol. Mm isn't a make or break imo and more time assailing is less time for that sweet sweet fgsussy

I'd personally rather have scriers effects more than choosing between mm and scriers all the time, or wasting scriers uptime. More scriers means more tdr, more movement speed, and much less situational damage than mm, and it procs even more thanks to PA

[verbal inlet]

tdr?

[haughty star]

Toughness damage reduction

[verbal inlet]

o7

ill try this! Only lvl 24, any suggested skips while I get all the points together?

[lofty marsh]

What gear?

[haughty star]

Just go on down the line. I'd pick up warp rider last

Could prolly skip on the toughness damage reduction, and the warp splitting until you get to dd as well

[nocturne dust]

The TDR and Speed isn't active during the lingering effect so you can definitely put them off

[haughty star]

Fgs8/illisi/deimos and heavy las/columnus/recon

[lofty marsh]

True aim isn't doing much for you

[nocturne dust]

With this kind of build I'd imagine you'd also want to put momentum on your FGS

[haughty star]

Its better than the other option lol

Objective is stay on scriers, the other grab works against that

Also helps alot in melee to proc mettle

Which is a key component in survival

[lofty marsh]

https://youtu.be/3AbK05gyC4Q?si=cZA7yFWsTmBiDedB&t=305

Timestamped with relevant bit

[native juniper]

Asia is so dead

[lofty marsh]

Tanner explains why true aim doesn't do much for you on some weapons

[native juniper]

I say at 5:08 AM

[verbal inlet]

no warp unbound tho, so you are still playing around CD more than unbound builds or do you have enough CDR to have significant uptime?

[lofty marsh]

No warp unbound because he has crit range quell

it'd be pointless

[haughty star]

I mean you can but quietide does some heavy lifting when you're fighting the peril gen from scriers with bcob and the critical one, plus mettle is goated if you have shred on fgs 8 or illisi

And we all know what recon does with things like mettle lol

[haughty star]

Still insensible to grab the peril on reload one for this build specifically

[nocturne dust]

Mettle only activates once per attack

(ignore staves for a moment)

[haughty star]

I have nothing other than the sword charge that generates peril and you only need to be like 5 percent below blowing up to charge that

[haughty star]

I know. It still does pretty heavy work with recon 12

[verbal inlet]

oh, tranquility through slaughter?

[haughty star]

Yes

[nocturne dust]

With recon, yes.

[native juniper]

Whats the best mark for force sword

Is it deimos? (Im using electro)

[nocturne dust]

pick your favorite

[lofty marsh]

Why, just purge the peril with crits?

[verbal inlet]

Ok so the goal is to stay in Scrier's, not necessarily to have high peril the whole time too like the unbound builds? @haughty star Just tryna understand it fully before jumping in 😄

[native juniper]

Is illisi any good

[lofty marsh]

The answer is deimos if you lack single target, ilisi if you lack horde

Yes

[nocturne dust]

It's alright. Kinda needs a meleeker build to excel tho.

[haughty star]

Yupp. Purge peril to keep scriers up. Warp rider is additive damage except fire anyway so it just becomes a nice bonus at the end

[native juniper]

im using smite

[lofty marsh]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-gamescom-gif-18246988

We lost another one boys

[native juniper]

Im new to the game

idk whats good

I just feel like palpatine when im using it

[haughty star]

Also if you can try to save a elite or two for when scriers actually ends to get it back faster through pa

[native juniper]

I dont like brain rupture

[lofty marsh]

It's fine lmao, use what you like for now

[young cliff]

This is enough reason In my book

[native juniper]

Idk bro they all seem the same to me 😭

assail feels like i'd die if i dont have team mates

[lofty marsh]

Deimos has a heavy attack that's fucking insane

[native juniper]

Ive tried builds but they dont feel good to me

[lofty marsh]

Ilisi has an excellent horde sweeping pattern

[native juniper]

Ive been using builds to just complete penances

[haughty star]

Illisi is a monster with meleeker. I love the dodge buff to it too

[lofty marsh]

What level are you?

[native juniper]

30 psyker

i bought the game at like

[young cliff]

Assail is good to wave out to soften enemies at range, smite is to stop a moving enemy charge in process, brain burst is to preemptively set up to turn a corner and erase that sniper/gunner far away

[native juniper]

last week

[lofty marsh]

What's your favorite weapon so far?

[native juniper]

I like blaze force

The greatsword variant

is too slow for me

[lofty marsh]

Ilisi Deimos or Obscurus

[native juniper]

Ive never tried illisi and deimos, i just swing with if im in a rough spot

I never use the special

It just gets me killed

[haughty star]

Because the further out you go in scriers the faster it burns you up and harder it is to quell. 25 percent peril is a ton to try and shed off when you're 20 seconds deep

[haughty star]

Illisi is the only one worth using special on

[lofty marsh]

Join Strike team 10 rq

[young cliff]

Isn't the Force sword special quite beefy burst? It's totally worth learning to use it

[lofty marsh]

I'll walk you through some psyker shit

[native juniper]

DISCORD IS TWEAKING HOLY SHIT

[patent mango]

deimos/obscurus special is a meme anyways

[native juniper]

IT KEEPS FREEZING THE TEXT BAR

Let me get my phone hol up

I dont wanna wake up my parents

[haughty star]

Not for anything but fgs or illisi

[lofty marsh]

I'm gonna piss, brb

[haughty star]

The deimos and obscurus one is less powerful than combos non empowered with the right picks

[marble crater]

Obscurus and deimos locks you in place when you attack with a charged attack, so it's not ideal

[young cliff]

Can't check now but maybe I was using an illisi, that thing was MELTING heretics

[patent mango]

obscurus/deimos special is perfect for getting overheaded though

[marble crater]

[native juniper]

Ive tried assail

but

Smite i just use

to support my team

[haughty star]

Assail is weird when you're starting out but worth learning

[nocturne dust]

?

[native juniper]

Ive been using smite to help my team

[nocturne dust]

Just point and click

Sharp rocks go bbbbrrrrrrrr

[native juniper]

With assail?

what

[young cliff]

Assail is good as pocket darts, they regen super fast and can deal weak spot damage with ease

[prime elk]

yeah not much to learn with assail

[native juniper]

Well yeah of course you'd do that

[nocturne dust]

yes

[lofty marsh]

back

[patent mango]

point click adventure game

[native juniper]

I wasnt saying assail is ass

I just never used it much in misions

[marble crater]

ASSail

[lofty marsh]

God I love assail

[verbal inlet]

running unstable power, what is a preferred second blessing on mk8 fgs? I was thinking just Precognition for the finesse damage?

[young cliff]

Also, assail tracking feels super big

[patent mango]

wrath good

[prime elk]

shred or riposte

[patent mango]

or riposte ig

[native juniper]

it does

[patent mango]

unstable power precog is the meme max dmg build

it might be funny

[prime elk]

yeah i don't think precog is worth it

outside of memeing

[patent mango]

i tried it

[nocturne dust]

It's an important part of classic Gunker for ammo conservation

[patent mango]

its super good actually

[native juniper]

I do yeah

[nocturne dust]

and also it's just generally good

[patent mango]

precog riposte

[nocturne dust]

(it isn't)

[native juniper]

It generates peril?

[prime elk]

it'd prob be better on mk6, i don't like it on mk8

[patent mango]

idk i use mk6

[native juniper]

Force sword push generates peril?

[nocturne dust]

I use mk6, precog is still bleh

[native juniper]

Its been using stamina for me, what

[haughty star]

Wrath and shred imo. Unstable really doesn't help it achieve any crazy necessary bps or anything

[marble crater]

the push attack does

[haughty star]

Or riposte. Basically same thing just different means of achieving

[native juniper]

It just used stamina for me though

[patent mango]

precog funny for 1 shotting maulers

[marble crater]

Then you only pushed

[prime elk]

yeah push attack takes 3-4 peril?

[native juniper]

Wait what?

I dont get it

[young cliff]

Push is one thing, then is the push attack

[native juniper]

pUSH ATTACK?

what

[nocturne dust]

push attack is an extended push

hold the button down

[marble crater]

There is a push and a push attack if you keep the button pressed

[verbal inlet]

and push attack followup with fgs

[patent mango]

hold m1 when u push

[nocturne dust]

and you will attack

[native juniper]

Oh shit

[haughty star]

Yes hold left click while pushing

[nocturne dust]

after pushing

[native juniper]

i never knew that

[nocturne dust]

Well on force swords it's not really an attack

[young cliff]

Revam status: new combo unlocked

[patent mango]

idek if the game tells you

[nocturne dust]

it does 1 damage

but it is an extra strong push

that can expose bulwarks and stagger crushers

[native juniper]

Ive just been spam pushing in hordes with left click ToT

[marble crater]

Force sword push attack can knock crushers on their ass, enjoy

[young cliff]

You can break bulwark with it iirc

[haughty star]

Knocks bullys and crushers and shit over

Reapers too

[marble crater]

it's honestly so good

[haughty star]

Its iight. The one thing I would enjoy it for the most is kinda meh because bulwark move in packs lol

[patent mango]

fgs warp blast packs

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, sadly the attack is single target and nothing dangerous comes in singles

[marble crater]

I want a force dueling sword with the push attack

[haughty star]

I want a blitz that is a warp slash

[patent mango]

i want a psyker class

[nocturne dust]

I want new staves

[upper sun]

i want new specials for staves

[marble crater]

I want clad to carry me to havoc 40 and true survivor

[nocturne dust]

Don't believe oddball's propaganda

[native juniper]

Ive used duelling sword, I despise it

[patent mango]

ds is quite eepy to use

[haughty star]

I find ds to be one of the funnest

[patent mango]

ds2 is aight tho

[haughty star]

High energy, meaningful damage

[young cliff]

I stopped using the DS out of spite because while strong I feel it makes me a worse player, don't want to rely on it to be good

It just doesn't feel right

[native juniper]

yeah

Its too op

I hate it

[patent mango]

ds2 at least has more variation

[haughty star]

I like ds5 with agile and dumped pen

Dodge into the next map

[native juniper]

Combat blade>

[patent mango]

oh my god

[nocturne dust]

Very valid reasoning coming from the smite user

[native juniper]

Im a support player 🔥

[patent mango]

trolled

[young cliff]

Combat blade is short range dueling sword

[native juniper]

Guardsman build

which im running on vet

[median sorrel]

took some paracetamol and now I can't use brain burst or smite? Is this a bug

[haughty star]

Combat blade has shorter dodges than ds5 I'm pretty sure

[native juniper]

Im used to it

[young cliff]

It's certainly not as outrageous imo

[marble crater]

It's a feature

[patent mango]

do u use anticipation too

clearly necessary

then get ee and high crit

[haughty star]

Uncanny to make the pen dump meaningless

[nocturne dust]

Baz just wants to dodge off the map

https://tenor.com/view/dying-lmao-cart-wheel-gif-17517679

[haughty star]

I'd be lying if I said I hadn't done this before lol

[nocturne dust]

It's the true purpose of the mk5, lol

[haughty star]

Its got kind off a combatknifeesque heavy spam too and the push attack is pretty decent

[nocturne dust]

They're at least more balanced than the mk4

Personally I don't really like it though, but I also dislike the mk6 knife's combos

[patent mango]

meeting up with a melee psyker in pubs the coolest crossover

[verbal inlet]

Is charged m1 > m2 > ... or (weapon swap) charged m1 > (un)charged m1 > m2 > ... the better horde clear loop?

[prime elk]

uh

for what weapon?

[verbal inlet]

oh sorry, fgs8

[marble crater]

On fgs8 just spam light attacks for horde clear

[past sparrow]

I've heard that i can either look for help here or the LFG channels, but i thought i'd start here, is anyone willing to party up for the "Malleus Monstronum" ?

[maiden oracle]

You doing heresy or damnation

[past sparrow]

Yea, but it requires to be in a private game

[maiden oracle]

I mean are you going to be doing it on heresy or damnation

[past sparrow]

Heresy

I've not tried Damnation yet with Psyker

[maiden oracle]

Aight lemme boot up the game rq currently doing my gacha dailies

My nickname is my fat shark code

[past sparrow]

the numbers ?

[maiden oracle]

Ye

[past sparrow]

Yoshikage Kira ?

[maiden oracle]

yea

[past sparrow]

I've sent a friend request

[marble crater]

Kira and Near in the same team?

Ok then