psyker-class

[rare storm]

They renamed all the staves

Why

[marble crater]

On the mourningstar as well? Because I sure don't notice it

[upbeat kestrel]

its has the havoc symbol next to it

[marble crater]

I will check, because it didn't the last time I checked

[upbeat kestrel]

at least i believe so

[marble crater]

That's not even the worst name change. Old columnus is now vraks and another old gun is now columnus

[rare storm]

What the fuck

[upbeat kestrel]

yep

and its all in patchnotes

[tight birch]

For a low warp-res staff is it just get a staff that starts really low on warp res = hope it upgrades at Hadron without raising it?

[marble crater]

Okay it does, I'm just blind and didn't pay attention to the symbols next to the numbers, at all

[near wyvern]

Yeaahhhh that was a fun moment for Atheneum

You can imagine the stress when I edited the names in the text

[radiant frigate]

it gets worse when you also consider headhunters

[upbeat kestrel]

percentages on the right is the max it will go to

[tight birch]

No I mean like getting an 80% everything else / 20% res staff

[upbeat kestrel]

you mean vigilant autoguns

[marble crater]

Did you do it manually for each name or replaced all names at once?

[radiant frigate]

that too

[upbeat kestrel]

after everything gets up to 80 then only warp res is getting upgraded

[tight birch]

So just gamba, got it

[radiant frigate]

but overall, a graia became a columnus, a columnus became a vraks, and a vraks became a graia

[languid tusk]

badass psyker helm: achieved

[radiant frigate]

fucked up if you think about it

[marble crater]

Thanks, I hate it

[summer prairie]

very unlikely to go as low as 20% from brunt (after upgrading), have to roll a lucky base straight from the shop

[tight birch]

Well yeah that would be an extreme outlier, just wanted an at least slighty-low inferno

[radiant frigate]

one rotation away from finishing the rubik's cube

[hardy coral]

i Cheated a little by Running with a squad that didnt die but Bubble/Inferno Staff Psyker kinda pog.

[radiant frigate]

very epic

i am sitting at 26 personally

haven't played much havoc

[marble crater]

A wise decision

Fucking gunners and scab stalkers

[radiant frigate]

you wouldn't be saying that if you knew what i have been playing instead

[upbeat kestrel]

lol?

[marble crater]

Marvel rivals?

[hearty wolf]

If people want to hit 40s and skip the grind, lemme know

I think the 40 I have currently is an easy one too

[radiant frigate]

no, wow

[upbeat kestrel]

then what?

[radiant frigate]

but that would be even worse

[upbeat kestrel]

yeah

[radiant frigate]

i just told you

[marble crater]

Wow

[upbeat kestrel]

aye

im stupid ok

[radiant frigate]

i have not touched league in years

[upbeat kestrel]

i play ogryns for the most part

i never played league

but i played smite

[radiant frigate]

good choice

i think

[upbeat kestrel]

and best moba i have played is Deadlock

or in other words

valve worst kept secret

[radiant frigate]

what is marvel rivals

[upbeat kestrel]

hero shooter

[radiant frigate]

ah, cringe

[upbeat kestrel]

best hero shooter i played is still Paladins

[radiant frigate]

best i have played is overwatch
worst i have played is overwatch
i have only played overwatch

i don't think i want moreof that

[tight birch]

That's some decent luck I think, lol

[upbeat kestrel]

team forstress 2?

[summer prairie]

maybe, needs a lot of upgrading

[tight birch]

Now we pray

[marble crater]

[summer prairie]

it's going to raise them evenly so it's not going to remain very low

[marble crater]

Hmm, warp res should end up at around 40?

[tight birch]

https://i.imgur.com/jb9Oav7.png

Good call lol

[marble crater]

[hearty wolf]

I don't like leaving things half cooked even if it is better

[marble crater]

Same, it would bother me whenever I looked at it

[haughty star]

lol the DD is fucked up methinks

i been helping a buddy level a couple chars that's on ps5 and we've been encountering more spawn on regular heresy and damnation than auric, pretty consistently i might add

[signal atlas]

Hey guys fairly new, I just got to level thirty I’m running Deimos, infernus staff, shield and bb, is there any particular curios I should aim for? I have a couple for toughness but I’m unsure what would be good on my boi

[marble crater]

[marble crater]

You can go full toughness curious, you can do 2 toughness and 1 stamina, 2 toughness and 1 health. Can probably also do more health.
You will need to test a bit and see what works for you.
Stamina is nice with Kinetic Deflection from the talents, you can block very long if you get caught in a bad position and also allows you to run more, psyker doesn't have a lot of base stamina

[signal atlas]

Would one stamina one health and one toughness be word it at all? And I’m assuming wounds aren’t a big fuss

[marble crater]

You can do that as well, yes

Wounds don't help with not dying, so they are kind of a trap

[near wyvern]

Each names at once but I had to pay extra attention to columnus so that I kept tack which clause I had already edited and which I did not have done yet.

[hardy coral]

i rolled about 30 of this in the span of 10 minutes trying to roll 61% on Warp Resistance to the point i dont think 61% exist.

[marble crater]

I don't envy you

[clear heath]

I'm guessing replacing surge was also annoying

because of the blessing

[near wyvern]

That was surprisingly easy

Cause Surge didn't have the Surge blessing before the name change

[signal atlas]

Is there a reason to run double toughness and stam vs one of each?

[marble crater]

Preference

[clear heath]

you run double toughness when you want more toughness

not much more to say about it

[marble crater]

The health curio with sniper resist can help you survive a sniper shot though, so that might be good if you are not the best at dodging those

[signal atlas]

I guess I’m trying to understand if toughness is generally better to have more of them health since it can come back fully and my dome shield keeps it replenished

[haughty star]

wounds don't help you survive

psyker has tons of toughness regen

toughness keeps you alive

[clear heath]

there's some stuff that health makes easier, like bursters, snipers, single massive fuck ups

also grims are like unplayable at base hp

[haughty star]

if havoc run health and opttional stam

if auric and everything else run ttouuugh and optional stam/hp

[hearty wolf]

So inferno staff lmb doesn't work on dogs?

[haughty star]

it should

[marble crater]

It does

[signal atlas]

Okay gotcha, as of now am I’m feeling that a bit of health stam and toughness is the best bet

[hearty wolf]

I hit the dog like 3 times mid leap

it gave 0 shits

[haughty star]

were you on nurgles blessing?

[marble crater]

Was the dog green?

[hearty wolf]

Noes

I would record it but turning shadowplay on in this game merks my fps more than it already does :/

[haughty star]

that's weird

i've never heard of background recording killing fps personally

[hearty wolf]

It's possible I missed I guess??? I don't think I could have, looked clean as day to me

[signal atlas]

Another question I’ve had, when looking up things for the infernus staff, a lot of people suggest low warp resistance, why is that? And honestly my experience is that most stats are around the same range so I am unsure how to get one with one particular low stat

[hearty wolf]

Shadowplay is like an extra 10% on my gpu I'm pretty sure

[haughty star]

all staves low warp res because you can make that up in the tree and the stat is not that impactful most of the time

especially in inferno's case

all staves except voidstrike

voidstrike is radius

[marble crater]

Because that staff builds peril slowly and generally you want to reach high peril faster and then hover around high peril to deal more damage

aka. peril edging, psykers always edge

[signal atlas]

lol

[hearty wolf]

I've been getting around this by just spamming m1 in downtime or charging BB while nothing is around

It's working okay so far tbh

[marble crater]

Yeah it works, just get a staff with 60% warp res (in most cases) and don't worry about it

[haughty star]

itt's nottt about edging lol

it's that notthing eeelse is worth giving up lol

[marble crater]

It's about edging

[hearty wolf]

It's gotta be about edging surely because it's not that people want 60% warp res on staffs, they want even less (like 10%)

[marble crater]

If it wasn't about getting to high peril faster then people wouldn't try to get inferno staves with below 60% warp resistance

[hearty wolf]

also got a very aids assignment if someone wants to try xd

[haughty star]

those peoplee aree stupid because it's actually easieerer to edge with more rees lol

[marble crater]

Jealous, no power during smelter end event looks awesome

[haughty star]

more uptime edging with no quell. it's easy enough to keep peril up between zones without running a garbage staff

it's mainly beecause enothing else is wortth giving up. quell is super impactfuul and thatt's the eonly othter thing on most tstaves you'd give up

[marble crater]

To be fair I did say it's for reaching high peril faster and then edging, I agree that it's easier with higher warp resistance and I am also not trying to get staves below 60%, because it's annoying to look at

[hearty wolf]

This makes sense to me.

Lower warp res is better in downtime.

But err. It's. Downtime xd

[haughty star]

my keyboard's cooked methinks

it's spamming certain letters unwarranted lol

[ripe obsidian]

But is it thoroughly cooked? Inner temperature of 165°F?

[marble crater]

Maybe need to shake out some stuff

[haughty star]

nah i spilled on it last night and thoughtt i uunpluuged it in time e

guess not lol

[marble crater]

rip

[haughty star]

i got 4 years out of it

just sucks cuz it still feels plentyy snappy and worked fine until now lol

[marble crater]

Put it in rice, I don't know

[ripe obsidian]

Rice doesn't help. Get real desiccant if you're going that route.

DampRid saved my car's electronics when I accidentally left the sunroof open before a rainstorm

[sour salmon]

Anyone else notice the electric staff gives you too many blessing points?

[marble crater]

Yeah it's bugged

[haughty star]

rice will help it's just you need to remove it from power before shitt tshorts out

[tight birch]

I shouldn't have downloaded the party finder inspect addon, I have been cursed with too much knowledge from the warp

[marble crater]

Good knowledge?

[near wyvern]

OR there is an unreleased blessing for the Electro staff 🤔

[marble crater]

Lightning Storm blessing

[haughty star]

yeah that's been the common thinking

what like more lightning chain?

that would honestly be a fair blessing

[marble crater]

Yes

[haughty star]

i'd give up flurry for that shit

[near wyvern]

Until you realise it doesn't effect the damage curve on cleave targets

[cyan portal]

Have you tested/do you know whether puppet master increases the range of psykinetic's aura?

[near wyvern]

It works not only for your coherency bonuses but for others as well

Like ammo aura from vet

[jovial gust]

How can you even use LMB spam? The projectiles come out on a huge delay, so it's so hard to aim them

[haughty star]

don't crrits tho?

[near wyvern]

Quell cancelled machine gun my sibling

[jovial gust]

But what does it matter if I can't hit shit?

[near wyvern]

Quantity over quality

[haughty star]

blanket the area

[near wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/shooting-a-machine-gun-vanguard-firing-a-machine-gun-intense-gunfire-open-fire-gif-20295147

[jovial gust]

Welp guess I'ma try use it some more

Decided to change up some of the Inferno example build from the Atheneum. Thoughts?

[vocal fulcrum]

is this for purge?

[jovial gust]

I typed Inferno in that message. Flemtower

[cyan portal]

you appear to have missed creeping flames

[vocal fulcrum]

there's so many things wrong with this build

[jovial gust]

I have specifically removed Creeping Flames because I never get value from it

[haughty star]

lol what

wut

wut

wwwuutt

it's like tthe most op perk in tthe gamee

[cyan portal]

low difficulty levels?

[jovial gust]

Nope. Auric Maelstrom

[vocal fulcrum]

• battle meditation is bad bc you want more peril gen
• kinetic flayer does nothing for you, waste of a talent point
• wildfire is a useless broken talent you don't want
• empyric resolve is really really bad, especially for purge
• you don't take warp battery

that's the worst purge build i've ever seen in my entire life

[marble crater]

I disagree about kinetic flayer it's nice on the staff

[jovial gust]

It's a personalized version of a build from the Aethenum, so most of these complaints should go to @near wyvern

[vocal fulcrum]

it's a bad build regardless

kinetic flayer is bad because getting ONE bb every 15 seconds doesn't really do much for you

you could put that talent point towards %5 crit above kinetic deflection for more uptime on emphatic evasion

or kinetic resonance

[cyan portal]

Pygex knows we think some of his builds are questionable lol

[vocal fulcrum]

idk what the aethenum is

if you want an actually good purge build:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9bef5007-73ef-413a-b64d-10a0538eaaee/beef-purgassus

[marble crater]

Kinetic flayer gives the occasional one shot on something in the horde you don't see, or staggers a crusher about to do an overhead, stagger a mutie running through the horde. I get a lot of value out of it just from utility, and that's without the damage increase and faster blaze stacking in combination with perilous combustion

[vocal fulcrum]

in auric mael+, you're killing upwards of 100s elites and specialists combined

getting one extra bb every 15 seconds is really not that good, especially since that talent point could get much more value elsewhere

[summer prairie]

assuming a more normal build, what node gets more value if you want more damage

[vocal fulcrum]

like i said, crit above kinetic deflection

[summer prairie]

a normal build would have that already

[vocal fulcrum]

for more uptime on emphatic evasion as well as more soulblaze stacks

[marble crater]

Like he said, a more normal build

[vocal fulcrum]

send me the normal build

idk what you take for normal

but warp rider, kinetic deflection, emphatic evasion, in fire reborn, warp battery, creeping flames

when you take those, you have no talent points left over anyways 🤷‍♂️

[marble crater]

I wouldn't take empathic evasion out of those, or drop the last warp siphon for 6 charges

[summer prairie]

yes

[vocal fulcrum]

emphatic evasion is literally purge's strongest node

[summer prairie]

it is but if you want damage

[vocal fulcrum]

it enables you to play extremely aggressively

which gives you more damage in return

[summer prairie]

though in regular maelstorm it doesn't do much when you are suppressing everything and outgenerating toughness

[vocal fulcrum]

can't do dmg if dead

[jovial gust]

Well I thought the Atheneum was regarded as some sorta bible

[cyan portal]

+8% dmg on everything, and 15% CDR > rng br

[vocal fulcrum]

i wouldn't trust anything someone recommending that build has to say 🤷‍♂️

[jovial gust]

Can I get an evaluation of his LMB EK staff build?

[vocal fulcrum]

no offense to anyone

[summer prairie]

you barely ever get the damage buff with purg if you always shout when you are off cooldown

[marble crater]

Not everyone agrees with the bible either. It's written by one person, of course some people will disagree with the builds

[cyan portal]

The information in it is 10/10. The opinions, less so.

[vocal fulcrum]

you take warp battery for more CDR

not for the dmg buff

the dmg buff is nice to have, CDR is essential

[summer prairie]

sure, but KF is also cdr

it's 5% when it triggers every 15s

[vocal fulcrum]

i kill that special/elite anyways

[summer prairie]

someone else can kill it

[vocal fulcrum]

when you get them you get them in packs

[summer prairie]

if you kill all elites always, fair

[vocal fulcrum]

not if you're in front of the pack bc you dodge everything with emphatic evasion D:

[summer prairie]

plus it's better if the elite kills don't all proc at once from SB

since that wastes some cdr

[vocal fulcrum]

with 6 warp charges, 3 CDR perks on curios, your base CD on vent is 12s

[hearty wolf]

So I did that lights out one

[vocal fulcrum]

assuming you manage to kill 2 elites/specialists

that takes you down to 9s

[hearty wolf]

Finding havoc much easier than auric xd

I downed twice but one was perils of the warp

[tight birch]

What am I missing with Purgatus, I hate this thing

[vocal fulcrum]

it has a unique playstyle

i'll make a vid on it for beginners soon ™️

[marble crater]

An hour, damn

[hearty wolf]

I'm ngl the inferno staff is much more fun to use than the EMK for me personally

I also like not using smite

I just need to mess around with the emk more I think

[marble crater]

EK is more fun for me, then Voidblast, then Voidstrike and then Inferno

[jovial gust]

Opened it and saw Lacerate. Are you sure this is a good build?

[marble crater]

Outside of havoc Inferno is definitely my least played staff

[vocal fulcrum]

yes lacerate goes hard

[jovial gust]

Less than Flesh Tearer...

[vocal fulcrum]

it lets you bleed on bosses, you build 15 soulblaze, vent for 21

[jovial gust]

Why does it have 2 stam curios

[vocal fulcrum]

then you build 16 bleed with lacerate

go for 5 headshots with uncanny

that boss melts

[hearty wolf]

I can see that haha. I'm just new to psyker in general and the difference between zealot and psyker is really jarring

[jovial gust]

Flesh Tearer can do that too. And does not need you to miss out on weakspot hits

[vocal fulcrum]

the curios are up to you but it's a speed demon build

lacerate is more reliable, lets you deal with trash mobs as well

this is a psyker not a zealot

you can slash trash while running around with the knife and let them bleed to death

also the curios are for infinite push attack

[jovial gust]

Where do I put the last points now?

[tight birch]

It's probably a good build but watching you play this is the most ADHD Zoomer shit I've ever seen

[jovial gust]

Flemtower

[radiant frigate]

about 2 hours total

[jovial gust]

Sorry, but I'm not British enough to be doing that

[vocal fulcrum]

that's not me but yeah it's crackhead psyker

it's really fun to play

[tight birch]

Ahhh I thought you were beef

I like channeling smite and using spacebar

[jovial gust]

Would this change suit you?

[vocal fulcrum]

why take prescience?

[jovial gust]

Crit Chance, duh

[vocal fulcrum]

seers aura brings more value and is one talent point cheaper

[safe swallow]

I'm a total idiot when it comes to Psker talents, anyone feel like sharing a lightning build?

[tight birch]

For havoc or normal stuff?

[safe swallow]

normal, I'm no where near havoc on psyker

my zealot all day

[tight birch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ba81400-4c60-4362-9756-f93428dfc021/azyr-psyker-smite-venting-shriek-empowered-psionics

[safe swallow]

thanks king

[echo root]

Don't play smite, it's boring

[tight birch]

Play smite and carry your shitty teams

[safe swallow]

I played smite, I liked it too, I just want to try frying a whole mob

[echo root]

I do like Doc Bread's curios setup tho

[tight birch]

I think it's very satisfying to spacebar-dance around everything while channeling

[safe swallow]

but I'm sure if you say my smite build you'd throw up because of how I put my talents because aparently you can't trust the tooltips on the talent to tell the truth

[tight birch]

Not mine but I feel like his make the most sense? Could prob swap one of the gunner resists out for something else (and health instead of toughness is always an option)

[echo root]

Gunner res for havoc unless you're a slide god

3x toughness and 3x cdr is the best IMO

Personally I also run 2x stam regen and 1x sprint efficiency

[tight birch]

The gunner res is multiplicative is all, so the second and third are worth less than the first

[echo root]

No

They still reduce the dmg by 20%

but it's 20% of 80%

so it's the same reduction

[tight birch]

The ability is multiplicative, so it does have some diminishing returns. 0.80 × 0.80 × 0.80 = 0.512, meaning that we end up with a total gunner resistance of 0.488, just below 50%

[echo root]

Yes, read what I wrote

[tight birch]

Yes that's called multiplicative

[strong gulch]

The actual return is less with each one.

[summer prairie]

As he said, they still reduce incoming damage by 20%

[echo root]

Would have been broken if it was 60% flat

[strong gulch]

Ye

[tight birch]

If it's only 20% of a lowered value, you probably wouldn't say it's still lowering it by 20%, hence why multiplicative and additive are terms

[vocal fulcrum]

considering it's elite gunners and reapers only, idk how much 20% will help you in high havoc

[echo root]

each of them give 20% more ehp vs gunners

[summer prairie]

Yes

[vocal fulcrum]

if one starts shooting at you you're cooked anyways

[echo root]

Doesn't work on shotgunners

Debunked MANY times at this point

[summer prairie]

Elite gunners are more dangerous than shotgunners

[tight birch]

Ah nvm then guess his guide is wrong there, don't trust any of it

[vocal fulcrum]

xd

what a guide

just troll an entire community

[tight birch]

One thing wrong? Instant brain burst execution

[echo root]

https://youtu.be/D88y3hlRZ2U?t=12

[tight birch]

Isn't Tanner considered a troll too?

Is there no one trustworthy to turn to

Heretics everywhere

[vocal fulcrum]

Tanner knows what he's talking about

[echo root]

I mean he's showing the values while getting shot

[vocal fulcrum]

ppl just don't like him

[echo root]

He's a dick a lot of the time, but his information is factual

[strong gulch]

uncanny strikes

[echo root]

I don't like uncanny

It's not the worst, just not a fan

[vocal fulcrum]

uncanny is my beloved when I'm running purge

no better friend in the whole galaxy

[echo root]

Except on deimos when combined with purgatus

only for the special attack interaction and SoulBlaze

[tight birch]

Would be nice if we had a good wiki with all of this information

Fandom

[vocal fulcrum]

yeah it's kinda hard to get at

would be better if fat shark would fix tooltips for talents etc

like wildfire is a really good talent, but it doesn't work

[tight birch]

https://i.imgur.com/TOQ86bX.png

[vocal fulcrum]

how are you, as a new player supposed to know that

[echo root]

What do you mean doesn't work

[tight birch]

Is this accurate?

[echo root]

Yeah it doesn't work atm

[summer prairie]

the above video isn't very good at making his case

[vocal fulcrum]

pen of the soul is broken

[echo root]

Elaborate

[vocal fulcrum]

but it's still better than empiric resolve xd

[tight birch]

Hey we're only 2 years in, the talents will work eventually

Maybe year 3

[echo root]

Release "talents"

[vocal fulcrum]

talent update when

[echo root]

I remember you could get quietude at lvl 5 (?)

and had two other choices

Psyker was dogshit to lvl on release

[summer prairie]

well first of all he is talking about zealot talents that don't apply for this discussion. Then he says you can always easily dodge slide and suppress gunners and never take damage from them anyway

you can make the same argument regarding anything really

[tight birch]

If you just kill whatever the threat is, you don't need defense against it

[echo root]

I think he's trying to make a case for putting stamina on curios over specific protections

Since stamina helps movement in general

[summer prairie]

well that also doesn't apply for psykers

to same degree anyway

[vocal fulcrum]

it's even better on psykers since you have no stam regen delay

stam regen on curios goes hard

[summer prairie]

because you have almost no delay you can sprint indefinitely with some weapons

without any stamina or stamina regen

since he made that video gunners have been buffed and obviously they are also much more lethal in havoc

[prime elk]

people don't like him because he's arrogant, and often wrong while still being arrogant

[late sapphire]

Tanner is clearly compensating for something

[prime elk]

or multiple things

[icy wyvern]

bad teammates

[late sapphire]

Are you a tanner alt?

[icy wyvern]

nah if i took darktide that seriously i'd have stress induced heart failure in my 30s

[near wyvern]

That message is almost true, it does apply to Soulblaze, which means only crushers are affected and not by a lot.

[verbal thistle]

Does it?

[radiant frigate]

everything was (except vet cause it's built different)

[radiant frigate]

i fink it was quietude, warp expenditure and essence harvest

[summer prairie]

even earlier we had this

[echo root]

Is that from closed beta?

[summer prairie]

yes

[marble crater]

Warp absorption sounds nice

[echo root]

It's just soulstealer 2x

[marble crater]

Nice

[ripe obsidian]

Do you know which part is borked?

[summer prairie]

it's in the damage_calculation.lua, just not included in the final rending calculation

I'm not sure what Pygex was referring to there though

[radiant frigate]

unbelievable that this got nerfed

[ripe obsidian]

I shall ponder this as I continue not to understand Lua

[summer prairie]

not sure if serious but it didn't really

[late sapphire]

lua is evil and bad

[late sapphire]

It's a huge shame everyone loves lua

[summer prairie]

the final line doesn't include warp_attack_rending in the sum

[radiant frigate]

50%-> 30% is certainly a change

[summer prairie]

but you had to use BB before

[ripe obsidian]

I only know a small amount of Python. Trying to learn more to automate my job.

[radiant frigate]

yeah and i remember it being 30% when i played at release too

[summer prairie]

well yeah sure

but it's better now than it was

[late sapphire]

i am a professional programmer

but lua sucks and dont learn it

python is a good pick for an easy to use all rounder

[gaunt seal]

Does empathic evasion just not work sometimes

[radiant frigate]

do you put easter eggs in your code

[radiant frigate]

snipers are not considered ranged attacks

[late sapphire]

I program boring code for boring people with boring lots of money and a boring review process

[radiant frigate]

or something to that effect

[gaunt seal]

I’ll be 100 shots into a 180 shot recon lasgun volley with scriers active dropping 5 crits per second then suddenly getting chunked to instant death by a couple shotgunners or something with nothing near me

[ripe obsidian]

I am a professional wireless network engineer. I work dark magic with Wi-Fi.

[late sapphire]

This is evil

Network engineers are evil

[marble crater]

Maybe you are not criting as much as you think?

[late sapphire]

Maybe you should learn lua then

[gaunt seal]

It’s certainly possible I just can’t imagine how

[marble crater]

Bad luck?

[late sapphire]

I took some networking courses in uni and it was just physics 😢

[gaunt seal]

Gonna ditch dumdum and go back to the crit chance from headshots

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, mostly. But no one wants to do networking, so I have job security

[strong gulch]

I'm talking out of my ass here. This is only based on observation.

I've never seen EE refresh before its duration ended. So maybe between different procs and perhaps some lag, a shotgunner shot is getting through EE procs.

[ripe obsidian]

My issue is that I dislike not understanding why and how things work, but I lack the knowledge required to understand Lua classes and functions and such. I can understand basic stuff like if/then, while, do, etc. But that is not enough

[late sapphire]

I remember at some point we were considering signal strength and there was an extra lambda squared and for some reason the prof started talking about quantum mechanics or something

[ripe obsidian]

I have seen it refresh while up. I can test and make a video when I get home

[strong gulch]

That'd be nice. If you don't have the time tho, no worries.

[late sapphire]

ee can refresh while up but there is a cooldown between crit strings iirc

[ripe obsidian]

I cannot help there. I actually want to take some physics courses in the future to bolster my knowledge. My degrees are in history and English, so I didn't learn such things

[strong gulch]

I haven't paid that close attention because I never looked for that specific thing.

[strong gulch]

Maybe that's it. Do you know if all of the crits from a crit string proc EE?

[late sapphire]

i am pretty sure

[summer prairie]

https://streamable.com/hm8r0f

[radiant frigate]

on psyker?

[strong gulch]

Nice and thanks.

[proper osprey]

How do I port forward a spectrum router

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/749799445478244393/1265479387571159182/crackbert.gif

[strong gulch]

@ripe obsidian No need to make the vid. Syllogism got it covered. #psyker-class message

[ripe obsidian]

Frabjous day.

I won't be home for hours anyway.

[abstract forge]

Hey siblings, bit of a noob question, but why do people talk about BB in the context of wall shield? I've seen people say stuff about them being useful to run together but I don't understand how they syngergize stat-wise if at all. Is it purely a thing where having a wall protects you while you cast BBs?

ohh cause of kinetic resonance d'oh

[late sapphire]

The bb subnode stacks

[abstract forge]

i'm stupid

[haughty star]

kinetic flayer is outstanding lol

especially considering it's just straight bonus DPS with alot of utility

[ornate hamlet]

hi guys, what's the dump stat for electro staff?

[radiant frigate]

warp resist

[ornate hamlet]

I see, thank you

[tired ivy]

hoi guys, new to psyker here, does the blaze force great sword pair well with any staves?

[strong gulch]

Yes but it depends on the mark and staff.

[radiant frigate]

yes to all

[tired ivy]

[radiant frigate]

🗣️ BIG 🗣️ FORCE 🗣️ SWORD 🗣️

[haughty star]

the only really great thing about FS is the charge tthing

[strong gulch]

Illisi is for hordes.
Deimos is for single target.
Both can tackle both, but lean more heavily in one directin or the other.

[haughty star]

i wish theyd make it harder to lose the charrge

[late sapphire]

neither are an FGS

[radiant frigate]

what if they made illisi but BIG

[tired ivy]

im gonna try running it with the electro staff, and swap to fire staff later on

[strong gulch]

True, but the question was about force swords.

[late sapphire]

electrokinetic works well for picking off hard to reach specials and such

[late sapphire]

Are you sure?

[haughty star]

EK is to proc perilous and PA

[tired ivy]

it was about the greatswords actually!

[strong gulch]

I wish FGS had better dodges and mobility.

[safe swallow]

So lightning, love it.

[strong gulch]

NO lol. I did the thing again. Reading hard.

[tired ivy]

sorry but what's electrokinetic? is that a talent?

[late sapphire]

lightning staff

[tired ivy]

gotcha

what are the dump stats on staves? warp resistance?

[late sapphire]

i wouldnt really recommend purgatus as a sidearm for the fgs, anything in purga range is in sword range

warp resistance dump yes

[tired ivy]

[late sapphire]

except for voidSTRIKE (balls) which dumps blast radius

[haughty star]

i like the FGS but tit's not a end all be all imo

[late sapphire]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1311009529894539324/unnamed.gif

[tired ivy]

in the zealot chat people say that the flamer gun + relic sword works well, but according to your logic it'd be kinda bad

[late sapphire]

relic sword is actually pretty single target oriented

[tired ivy]

but maybe its different for psykers

[haughty star]

the charge is great but too inconsistent to be trueely good

[late sapphire]

it's anti armor with the charge and the sprint atk

[haughty star]

the relic blades lights shred horde

[tired ivy]

oh? i find it works quite well for hordes too, but i do agree it works well for single target too. kidna a generalist

[haughty star]

heeavies drop heavies

[late sapphire]

zealot melee generally kills everything

[haughty star]

lol

[late sapphire]

flamer is super popular in general

[strong gulch]

If you can handle crushers better with a FGS vs other options, then that is a good reason to pair FGS with purg/ infero.

There are faster options tho, mainly the DS4.

[late sapphire]

For weapons outside of the evis and such

[tired ivy]

so what are the nuances between the FGS marks?

[haughty star]

i been loving the change to illisi

[radiant frigate]

"you had me at blaze force"

[strong gulch]

The better dodges?

[tired ivy]

ah, kinda similar to the relic swords then it seems

[strong gulch]

yes lol.

[haughty star]

main thing without looking at a fucking blueprint is that the 8 has faster weaker heavies and better light combos and the 6 has worse light combos and faster deelivery of the heaviest attack

[late sapphire]

In short not that much of a difference both have clearing lights and single target heavies

8 is slightly sweepier and 6 slightly smashier

[tired ivy]

i like sweepy

[late sapphire]

8 gets an awesome stab after the push attack

[tired ivy]

i'll go with sweepy deepy

[haughty star]

i personally enjoy the 8 more because 8 just plain swings faster

heavies and lights

[late sapphire]

Which deals extra extra damage

[tired ivy]

thanks ya'll, appreciate the knowledge

[late sapphire]

and then leads into the overhead heavies

the sweep heavy h1 deals shitty damage (but cleaves)

[strong gulch]

Play around with both. Most here like the mk6.

[haughty star]

it's not even a sweep it's a "vanguard" style

[tired ivy]

will do

[radiant frigate]

these pretty much mean the same thing

[haughty star]

a vanguard is in betwweeen a sweep and a strikedown

a swipe, if you will

[radiant frigate]

if by sweep you mean relentless type then yeah i guess?

[autumn cape]

fatshark describe what your weapons do challenger

[late sapphire]

those are damage profiles as much as they are attack angles or types

[autumn cape]

at least there's no need for a mod for damage values this time around

[late sapphire]

i miss my beloved royale with cheese

[radiant frigate]

fatshark descriptions be like
"big bonk"
"big bonk (finesse)"
"sweepy (murder)"
"sweepy (stagger)"

[strong gulch]

accurate

[autumn cape]

the year is 2024

[abstract forge]

you know what they call a quarter pounder in tertium? a royale with corpse starch

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/mcdonalds-quarter-pounder-burger-fast-food-mcdonalds-canada-gif-17081010

[autumn cape]

vt2 crowbill has "wide sweeps" as a descriptor

it hits 1 target every attack

[late sapphire]

it does sweep though

[radiant frigate]

it has solid cleave on sweeps

the heavies just happen to be all big bonk type

[autumn cape]

*with reaping

[radiant frigate]

oh wait

crowbill

xd

i was thinking william hook

i forgot crowbill exists

what an absolute dumpster fire of a weapon

like a 1h axe but with half the damage

[autumn cape]

william hook is actually a great weapon

[radiant frigate]

william hook is fantastic

[ripe obsidian]

Axe and Falchion my beloved

[radiant frigate]

and let's talk about how falchion is stupid

[late sapphire]

axe and falchion is too good to compare

[ripe obsidian]

Rapier and Axe/Falchion were my mainstays

[radiant frigate]

the heavies? yeah they're big wide sweeps
they also stop on the first target

why is a single target attack such a wide sweep

[late sapphire]

same, plus flail, at least on vic

[ripe obsidian]

Flail and Shield on Warrior Priest

[radiant frigate]

AnF always nice

later on man-greatsword became cool too

and ofc the Holy Bonk

not to be confused with Book Bonk

[late sapphire]

greatsword kinda sucks

[summer prairie]

no

oh

v2, yes

[radiant frigate]

Holy Bonk just about tripled my disappointment when i saw what thunder hammer is/does

[radiant frigate]

it can work on zealot

applicable to both games!

[marble crater]

What is Holy Bonk?

[radiant frigate]

holy great hammer

from vt2

[late sapphire]

reckoner gh

super mighty heavy attack

[radiant frigate]

thunder hammer came after it and is just so so much worse

[late sapphire]

kind of weird attack pattern but useable

[marble crater]

[radiant frigate]

i liked it

[late sapphire]

scythe is peak though

wizards keep eating well

[radiant frigate]

it had bonk/bonk/sweep lights and sweep/sweep/bonk heavies

[marble crater]

Scythe sounds nice for psyker

[radiant frigate]

so you could just go l/l/h or h/h/l depending on what you needed

and it did good damage to hordes and elites

and then thammer comes in and just Fucking Sucks™

[wispy oyster]

wonder if warp unbound and empyric shock has been fixed yet

[late sapphire]

My most used hammer was coghammer

Absolutely great weapon

[radiant frigate]

vt2 gham moveset except the lights are entirely worthless

[late sapphire]

warp unbound yes sort of

[radiant frigate]

coghammer makes me irrationally upset

[wispy oyster]

what do u mean yes sort of has it taken its bi polar medication 😛

[radiant frigate]

it's just pickaxe but sped up with more cleave and more finesse

[late sapphire]

the heavy headshots... so delectable...

[radiant frigate]

during the lingering effect it works but you may occasionally blow up on the transition

[late sapphire]

i always compared it more to exe sword than pick

[wispy oyster]

yeah

[radiant frigate]

honestly most of my problem with the thing is the looks

why does a melee weapon have moving parts

[wispy oyster]

just need to stop doing stuff when it hits 100 then carry on

[late sapphire]

cog

If only coghammer heavies could be charged like pick heavies...

[modest perch]

cries in chainsword

[autumn cape]

its an exe sword for dwarf but it had higher horde dps than a ghammer and it takes the pickaxe's niche

[modest perch]

[autumn cape]

pickaxe and ghammer are both redundant because of it

[radiant frigate]

i guess but as far as i can tell it would be perfectly usable if it was just a hammer with an axe bit on one side

[late sapphire]

but then it'd be a hammer

not a coghammer

[hearty wolf]

I just realised my character looks very similar to yours - and I like greatswords too. Hmm 🤔

[wintry dune]

Best gun for gun psyker?

[late sapphire]

recon las or vraks iag or laspistol

[wintry dune]

Currently using recon vlc las, but idk if the others versions are any better

[ripe obsidian]

Recon las goes pewpewpew. Very satisfying

[late sapphire]

swapping marks is free

[radiant frigate]

axehammer

[late sapphire]

🤔

[radiant frigate]

you must have good taste

[autumn cape]

the one that shoots the most bullet is the best

[hearty wolf]

No, I think you do ;)

[ripe obsidian]

https://www.spectrum.net/support/internet/advanced-wifi-advanced-settings

[radiant ice]

It's so wild dropping down to a Havoc 10

[hearty wolf]

LMAO

[radiant ice]

I keep expecting everything to explode in a storm of bullets and pox gas

But it's just a nice calm walk

[hearty wolf]

Speaking of a storm

it's time to do some havoc

[radiant ice]

What rank are you?

[hearty wolf]

40

[radiant ice]

Ah, was gonna offer a host if low XD

Best of luck XD

[hearty wolf]

xd I can always help out too

[radiant ice]

Am good XD

[hearty wolf]

twins

[radiant ice]

I have nothing else to do but get those assists for the helmet

[hearty wolf]

That's literally what I'm doing rn too xd

[radiant ice]

Cause I hosted up (except the last 3 ranks)

[ripe obsidian]

For some reason I play so much worse at lower difficulties.

[brittle condor]

Hi do you know where I can find some skill tree ideas since the new update. Generally run an assail build

[tired ivy]

what's the current FGS talent build?

[near wyvern]

Oh, tested it again. It worked on Soulblaze on release but not anymore.

[brittle condor]

What is fgs

Oh got it

Is Ds still relevant?

[maiden oracle]

Is the electric staff or the floor explosion staff better at dealing with carapace enemies

[echo root]

Electric

Aoe knockdown one isn't bad either, but the TTK is much higher

[radiant ice]

It actually makes a lot of sense, especially on Psyker

A lot of our builds are designed around tempo, using chains of Special/Elite kills, or just a volume of horde kills, to boost our various abilities

There’s a sweet spot where the difficulty starts to increase, but the mob density not really, that I’d argue is significantly more difficult than Havoc 1 - 20 for Psykers

I think it’s also why a lot of Psykers report brutal Havoc games around 21 - 25

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/sweating-nervous-wreck-gif-12986085083782148824

[split lance]

We had one brutal havoc game at 24

And then it was fuck easy

[marble crater]

and then it was Gloriana

[hearty wolf]

Q: Can you explain this a bit more?

I'm pretty sure I understand what it does but with it being turned off if an enemy is close, I'm struggling to see a use case where it would be really impactful

[split lance]

I’ve stood in fire without taking dmg

[hearty wolf]

(I swapped my curios to it anyway since I've been getting more distance away from enemies since using a staff, I just think that if you're in a bad situation, it's because enemies are close, ergo it's not very helpful)

[split lance]

Bc of it

Oh

Not on my curio tho

[hearty wolf]

That's like a goo-

oh

Wait why could you stand in the fire then

xD

[marble crater]

All the fire I tend to stand in goes through my toughness, why can't they just work the same way

[hearty wolf]

Isn't it like only bomadiers fire grenades deal direct hp damage?

[marble crater]

Barrel fire does, not sure about the rest, when I hear "Someone call for a boom?" I start running

[radiant frigate]

not true

barrels do straight health damage

[hearty wolf]

Ah yes ofc

I was thinking enemiess

[radiant frigate]

exploding flamers sometimes do (???)

[hearty wolf]

not environment

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, the lack of density makes my purg build feel weird.

[quartz barn]

new penance poses are uh?

[thorn cedar]

perfect

[radiant ice]

That’s the most Psyker shit

I wish it was meant

Become one with the warp, sibling

[strong gulch]

Gun Punch™️

[upper sun]

me on the left

[quartz barn]

also i saw a havoc 1 in pf

but uh

dont you start on 8 when you complete a normal maelstrom

[strong gulch]

Think you start on 16.

[radiant frigate]

no

[lone ravine]

No

You start on 16 if you do an auric

[radiant ice]

Nah 1 on standard, 16 on Auric

[lone ravine]

Otherwise it’s 1

[strong gulch]

oh lol.

[radiant ice]

People may also be demoting themselves

So their friends can get easy assist penances

[strong gulch]

Hadn't considered non-auric.

I forget standard mael is a thing.

[radiant ice]

And if they’ve already done a 40, it will ping them back up to 40 on Sunday/Monday

[marble crater]

Infinite havoc assist cheat

[radiant ice]

Intended feature xD

Else after a few weeks there would only be 40s in PF

Which would be brutal for newer players who joined the game later than now

You could always demote yourself to 20 to help a new friend learn, knowing you’ll be bumped up to 40 at the end of week

[marble crater]

Don't you have to still beat the 40 though, else you would probably derank

[radiant ice]

Yeah, beat a 40 on Monday, your starting rank for the week next month for example

Demote to 20 to help your friend

Back up on following Monday

[radiant frigate]

not like there is any "benefit" to playing havoc more than once a week

[radiant ice]

Helping a friend climb! Especially if they are new and straight in at 40 may be a bit much

Could at least bump them from 16 to 20-25 by demoting yourself

[marble crater]

Maybe they add more modifiers and keep it fresh, though as long as ranged enemies don't change neither will the meta

[radiant ice]

That’s the thing

If they added more features, more modifiers, all that it’ll be fun

But 30-34 is where I found it fun and challenging without wanting to yank various hairs off my body

So it’ll be nice to do a quick 40 at the start of the week to secure my rank, then demote a few times to have fun

Knowing my rank is safe regardless

[marble crater]

For fun they would also have to change something about the ranking and party finder I guess. Sitting there for 20 minutes trying to find a team is not fun, neither is dropping in rank because your pub group lost

[radiant ice]

That’s the thing, if I was playing Havoc for pure fun I wouldn’t Party Find my team

Pubs are wild

Unless it was like a rating <20 then who cares, I can solo that easily if needed

[marble crater]

Adding the non hidden modifiers to auric would be nice.

[radiant ice]

But then that’s not as fun either imo

[marble crater]

Goo on the floor auric quick play and pus harden skin without the ranged that force you to live in a bubble would be nice

[radiant ice]

Just slide

https://tenor.com/view/slide-dms-smooth-gif-18798043

Approach the gunners like ^

[ripe obsidian]

Maybe play when I am available then. >:(

[marble crater]

If I do that too many times I will break my hands

[radiant ice]

I am on right now

[split lance]

Ong that’s what I be doing

@lethal lagoon

Hey

Bbg

[radiant ice]

I'm literally missing part of my right hand, no excuse

[split lance]

My boy

[radiant ice]

[split lance]

I was hitting on someone yesterday but ngl I forgot who it was

Can someone remind me

I needa get back on the grind

[radiant ice]

Half the server?

[split lance]

That’s possible

[upper sun]

atlas

[marble crater]

My excuse is that certain things are simply more complicated to do on controller

[split lance]

Except @marble crater what I’m doing to him isn’t flirting

It’s a promise

Of what’s to come

[marble crater]

[radiant ice]

No lube cause blood for the Blood God?

[split lance]

Your gonna be falling asleep when u feel my hand start to caress ur cheek

[upper sun]

[radiant frigate]

how will you swing force greatsword now...

[radiant ice]

Khorne cares not from where the blood flows, only that it does

[radiant frigate]

an unrecoverable loss, a great tragedy

[radiant ice]

With ease, get gud scrub

[radiant frigate]

become proficient?

seek expertise?

[split lance]

Wrong. No lube bc I’m not big enough

[radiant ice]

(Plus it's only a small part that specifically makes using a mouse harder and not much else)

[upper sun]

thats where the machine spirit interface goes right?

[radiant ice]

I degloved my ring finger and removed a chunk on the inside, where it would touch the middle finger if my fingers were together

[upper sun]

wearing a ring on the job?

[marble crater]

Noooo not degloved

[radiant ice]

Nope, run it over with an electric planer

[upper sun]

😭

[marble crater]

[radiant ice]

even made a satisfying ziiiiiiiip sound

[ripe obsidian]

I am at intermission in a concert.

[radiant ice]

Sounds like the problem is you, not me

[radiant frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-yoghurt-eew-eek-disgusting-gif-25426124

[split lance]

gently caresses ur scar and whispers I’m sorry I wasn’t there to protect you

[thorn cedar]

i too had my hand degloved by a drill press

[radiant ice]

I've literally been stabbed before, you are doing an exceptionally poor job

[marble crater]

[split lance]

I’ve been stabbed too

[thorn cedar]

but i was lucky because i was literally wearing a glove (stupid) and it only took the glove instead of my entire hand

[split lance]

gently caresses ur scar and whispers I’m sorry I wasn’t there to protect you

[radiant ice]

[thorn cedar]

anyway i dont trust myself around heavy machinery anymore

[radiant ice]

I mean it was the same experience, except it was skin for me

[marble crater]

So technically degloved but not really

[thorn cedar]

strictly speaking it was a literal degloving

[split lance]

Lmao

[thorn cedar]

what a funny word

[marble crater]

Sure, but... that's not what people will think

[thorn cedar]

i got very lucky, i have scars in my wrist where the drill bit

like it was pretty close

i pulled the velcro strap off and it took the glove, it was all i could think to do

then i watched it spin in the drill for a while, turned it off, and just walked off for a smoke before coming back to fill out the report lmao

[marble crater]

All my life I never knew someone who had this happen, and now two people within a few days

[thorn cedar]

then i put in my two weeks

i had too many close calls cutting corners cause im a dumbass

[marble crater]

Smart

[upper sun]

most i got was a small set of garden sheers falling on my hand and cutting it deep

[marble crater]

After being dumb, but smart

[upper sun]

theres some power watching over me i swear ive done a lot of dumb shit without getting hurt

i stripped a glued mirror off a closet door

[radiant ice]

I mean I've also got burn scars from having boiling water thrown at me, missing two teeth from having them knocked out in a fight, have vision issues in one eye after being shot in the face and been stabbed in the knee

[marble crater]

I'm surprised you didn't say you would want to stab him with something

[upper sun]

glass chips went everywhere except my eyes

[radiant ice]

Oh and a messed up hip from falling off a mountain while climbing

[upper sun]

damn

[marble crater]

Wtf

[radiant ice]

I'm far, far too clumsy too have flesh. I need steel

[upper sun]

this dude leaves his house

[marble crater]

Tren is doing a terrible job protecting you

[radiant ice]

Exactly

[marble crater]

what is happening here, is everyone trying to hurt themselves?

[radiant frigate]

good grief what hasn't happened to you

[radiant ice]

A loving and lasting relationship

[upper sun]

nah we just dont care

[radiant frigate]

😭

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, that's fair

[upper sun]

WAIT

did you try to sneak in shot in the face

[marble crater]

He did

[radiant ice]

With a nailgun, a 4 inch nail

[upper sun]

jesus

[radiant ice]

Not like a rifle or anything, I'm not American

[radiant frigate]

GUH

[upper sun]

tbh

i think instead of using steel to avoid the weakness of flesh

maybe stay away from all hard objects

and make several offerings to the omnissiah

[radiant ice]

@split lance 5 fucking dps' in Ranked

[marble crater]

You need this

[radiant ice]

I do

[split lance]

Me

Fr

[radiant frigate]

big things happening

[radiant ice]

Well I'll just shut up then

Clearly 5 dps and a healer is meta

[ripe obsidian]

If the enemy is dead they can't hurt you.

[nocturne dust]

Toughness regen speed is good because it helps coherency regen in exponential ways. It increases the amount you regen, yes, but it also reduces the delay. This means if you stack +90%, you can immediately start regenerating your toughness with just a bit of space from enemies which often can come through dodges. Furthermore, melee is rarely when you need toughness. It's trivial to block attacks, dodge, and feed with kills using melee or regen nodes like soulstealer. No, the real use of toughness regen is when enemies are scattered, times when you normally wouldn't be able to regen much at all due to low enemy counts but could still very easily be shot at by gunners and shooters.

The biggest point against toughness regen, and why I don't run it even though I think it is good, is that you need allies (if you're not Zealot) for it to do anything. It does absolutely nothing in a clutch scenario.

[radiant ice]

I feel in any situation it could benefit, it's useless

Because in any situation there is a better answer

It's good on paper but awful on practice

[wicked hornet]

so I'm trying to get better at the game and psyker is my main. would you say taking toughness regen is good? I struggle in Auric damnation sometimes and I'm trying to find what works for me.

[nocturne dust]

Well, yes, the better answer is don't get hit

[radiant ice]

No, definitely not

[nocturne dust]

I would.

If you don't care about clutching, use it.

[nocturne dust]

I don't think you understand the benefit of a constant toughness regen (that also ignores ER)

It doesn't regen a small amount by any means when you stack it

[wicked hornet]

so what makes it not good at clutching? I haven't been able to clutch in auric damnation

[nocturne dust]

But you do want to run it on all curios or not at all

[wicked hornet]

so it doesn't matter because I just don't have the skill yet

[nocturne dust]

It only affects coherency regen, and you have no coherency in a clutch scenario

because everyone else is dead

[wicked hornet]

oh okay that's what you meant. I read that and couldn't connect the dots lol

thank you

[nocturne dust]

[radiant ice]

I used to run it on all 3

Found it awful

Especially as it only affect Coherency regen, not any other form of toughness

[nocturne dust]

The better answer (other than not getting hit) often takes time as well

[radiant ice]

Which pauses when near enemies, which you are surrounded by in Auric and Havoc

[nocturne dust]

If it affected anything else it would be completely broken

[radiant ice]

The better answer is more raw toughness, or +HP

[wicked hornet]

I keep trying inferno staff and I just don't like it in some situations. I like the surge staff but the managing of peril in a hectic situation can get me in trouble.

[nocturne dust]

You have 9 substats

[zinc phoenix]

Specifically for ER I think it’s ok

[nocturne dust]

although honestly, hard disagree on toughness/hp substats

you will not notice that tiny bit more often than not

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve had the same experience where ER makes toughness such a ballache to get that some regen speed boost becomes very nice

But ER in havoc is not a choice I tend to go for, too team dependent

[wicked hornet]

only staff I haven't used is voidblast staff. I haven't gotten a roll on one yet.

[nocturne dust]

your team splits up in Havoc?

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah unless I get tryhard on the pugs they tend to scatter and a couple die

[nocturne dust]

[orchid cedar]

I was playing with this vet who got blown off a ledge by a barrel due to an ogryn teammate. He got mad and said "I am the team motherfuckers" "stupid fucks." So then I go to where he is and juke him three times as I'm rescuing him and then got mad and left lol

[zinc phoenix]

Sounds like you two should get married

[orchid cedar]

We should

[hearty wolf]

I have almost never had a havoc team split. It's v.rare

[wicked hornet]

is ER (Empyric Resolve)?

[echo root]

Yes

[radiant frigate]

i have seen this

i do not recommend it

[radiant ice]

I have seen it far too much

[hearty wolf]

There are times it is correct to split though I'd argue

[nocturne dust]

In my experience, everybody dies if the team splits on high havoc

[hearty wolf]

It's just not standard and not something you should be doing without some thought

[wicked hornet]

I had a zealot split up and die. He said he plays like that but doesn't usually die.....

[radiant frigate]

havoc is ok until people start ✨ splitting for no fucking reason ✨

[wicked hornet]

I said ok... in havoc 25

we didn't win

[radiant ice]

There are lots of people getting skill checked right now

[nocturne dust]

I still haven't tested toughness regen shenanigans in Havoc though. I kinda want to, but I just don't have the extra curios.

[hearty wolf]

Sometimes you can just get caught really bad. Zealot splitting isn't so bad but it's about opportunity cost

[radiant ice]

And I do love Havoc for it XD

[hearty wolf]

@nocturne dust Give me a minute to read your reply from before - thanks for it being so comprehensive. Just a sec.

[wicked hornet]

my skill lvl is 25. I can't go past it.

[rain birch]

Is it just me or does the great sword look kinda wonky the way Psyker holds it?

[nocturne dust]

Uuuuhhhhhh

Yes

[rain birch]

Like zealots looks perfect but psykers just throws me off idk y

[nocturne dust]

Psyker is a nerd, not a warrior

[rain birch]

lol

[wicked hornet]

idk if it's me or team issue but I try to focus on me and what I can control. I feel it's just my skill lvl and what I can handle 25 is all I can do currently

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-gif-5851542

[rain birch]

Like ik it’s holding it find at the middle but the way the hands look and the height positioning makes it look like they’re tryna hold the bottom of it with their finger tips

[radiant ice]

I disagree, I love the holds and animation guards. They are all real ways to do it!

[radiant ice]

THey are using a longsword grip not a greatsword grip tbf

[hearty wolf]

@nocturne dust I think the way I'm going to mentally frame it is like gold toughness.

What I mean by that is, provided I have the teammates, I can take one hit then find a way to disengage and get all my toughness back instantly.

[nocturne dust]

have you seen how it looks in 3rd person tho?

[rain birch]

The animations are fine it’s the hands that are throwing me off

[hearty wolf]

I will try and keep a tally of how much it helps in a way

[rain birch]

And how high they hold it at neutral

[hearty wolf]

Because what it does, is open me up to a different style of play where I can take up space just to shove which may be good

[wicked hornet]

is ER manditory for a surge staff?

[radiant ice]

It always looked right to me, but I suppose I haven't spent much time looking in 3rd person XD

[nocturne dust]

Kinda, yeah

[radiant ice]

No, but it is good for it

Mandatory though is a stretch

[nocturne dust]

I mean, it's not mandatory but ER helps EK do a whole lot.

It's kinda gimped without it.

[hearty wolf]

Currently I'm running cdr hp toughness.

I'll swap for toughness regen speed, hp toughness then mayhaps

[radiant ice]

Keep CDR

[nocturne dust]

I would swap away hp and toughness, yeah. I'd keep just enough hp to remain above 201, and then have the rest in toughness. With 1 health curio, that's 1 health substat and 2 toughness substats

[radiant ice]

If you have 3 Toughness blessings, try CDR, Toughness, Toughness Regen

[nocturne dust]

no

[radiant ice]

yes

🔫

[nocturne dust]

also CDR is still overrated outside Havoc

[radiant ice]

You're overrated

[hearty wolf]

I only play havoc now so

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️

Wouldn't even bother with toughness/health substats then

[radiant ice]

Without a doubt for Psyker, the best Curios are 3hp's with CDR, +HP, Corrupt Resist

(In my opinion)

[hearty wolf]

I also have a mental disease so my curious need to match or the third perk has to be different on all of them

I will never need corrupt resist methinks

[radiant ice]

jk you are good Dead, you are allowed you're wrong opinions

[hearty wolf]

I don't really need hp and toughness either but like

[radiant ice]

For Havoc it's super nice

[hearty wolf]

number go up

so that has got to be good

[radiant ice]

It's meme bad on Auric

But it's amazing on Havoc

Cause after 30 most enemies do corruption damage, after 35 I am pretty sure every enemy does

[nocturne dust]

😭 People said I was wrong when I said EK was the best staff after Empyric Resolve got released

[hearty wolf]

Even in havoc, I don't take corruption damage on psyker.

On Zealot I take corruption damage but that is generally on purpose to give my psykers room

[radiant ice]

Broke clock twice a day and all that

XD

[nocturne dust]

and then everyone changed their mind conveniently

[radiant ice]

You will

[marble crater]

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah but bop zealot so 🤷‍♀️

[nocturne dust]

I seem to be correct all the time tho. Crazy.

[radiant ice]

Corrupt Resistance is definitely the most swappable in my Havoc perks, but it's still A tier for it

The difference in 35+ is ridiculous

[hearty wolf]

Unironically don't get hit

[radiant ice]

Think of it this way, bop zealot removes the Corruption but leaves the missing health

[hearty wolf]

I just need win-harder perks

It's why I hate until death

[radiant ice]

With more corrupt resist, it's less health lost after bop zealot

[hearty wolf]

It's not a win-more perk

[nocturne dust]

how much corruption do you get?

[hearty wolf]

but you get it for free practically

[nocturne dust]

I barely get a sliver at most

[radiant ice]

Little chips at worst now thanks to stacking corrupt resist XD

[nocturne dust]

I don't even lose 10 HP

and I have no corrupt resist

wtf

[radiant ice]

But then again, my 34, 35, 36 were Extra Tox Bombers, Goo and Pox Gas

So Havoc 35+ for me was "Welcome to the Thunderdome fucker"

[nocturne dust]

ah, yeah, well pox gas is awful

[marble crater]

All my friends hate pox gas

[nocturne dust]

but that's pretty specific and can still be overcome with positioning

it's just incredibly annoying

[icy wind]

why my psyker always get the best curios in shop but my vet and zealot shop is just +2 stamina

[hearty wolf]

Okay no I keep my curios as cdr, hp and toughness because I want to be a simple child and burn things to death

oh

[radiant ice]

I was away to say before the edit, if you're complaining at 21% HP there is no hope

[hearty wolf]

That's one thing

[marble crater]

Anything can be overcome with positioning

[radiant ice]

Just slide fivehead

https://tenor.com/view/slide-dms-smooth-gif-18798043

[nocturne dust]

Position yourself at the evac

[icy wind]

I mean I already have triple +19% but like psyker is not even my main operative yet keep getting good stuff

xd

[nocturne dust]

22% when

[hearty wolf]

When I was doing runs with inferno staff, I felt like I was using m1 a lot more than m2 which sort of surprised me. Is that normal?

Like yeah if they were funneled, I'd use m2 but I staggered everything pretty much

[nocturne dust]

mmmmm no?

[radiant ice]

Easy, just get a 17% and throw on +hp

[hearty wolf]

like is that amount of stagger normal?

[nocturne dust]

I basically used m2 90% of the time for both our havoc 39 and 40

It is a lot of stagger

[marble crater]

It's normal because rmb is a channel so you have to use it less 🤓

[icy wind]

I wish I can use gold to buy plasteel

[nocturne dust]

but that stagger seems a bit extreme

[icy wind]

I have 66 plasteel left