psyker-class

[hearty wolf]

I don't know why I was so ill

in that moment

[lethal lagoon]

Only Ws here motherfucker

[zinc phoenix]

Don’t you still get the evasion frames?

[nocturne dust]

Tren showed off a lot of Gloriana losses for that

[zinc phoenix]

I seen people dodge crusher against a wall

Timing is tighter tho

[lethal lagoon]

I've never played that map

[hearty wolf]

yesh but it was extremely poorly timed, it wasn't for the trap, it was for the movement

[nocturne dust]

you do, but it's way more precise to time that

[hearty wolf]

exactly ya

[haughty star]

psyker is squishy as hell regardless of toughness regen

[nocturne dust]

You have to time it with the net and not the noise

so distance to trapper suddenly matters

[hearty wolf]

It was a complete misplay on my part and it's so basic that it pissed me off but we move

[lethal lagoon]

Gloriana doesn't exist, it's not even a real darktide map

[haughty star]

XD

[hearty wolf]

Gloriana is probably my favourite at this point

It's especially funny with lights out

[haughty star]

i think my fave is carnival

[clear heath]

Gloriana's start is pure suffering

[lethal lagoon]

Then you've neve done Gloriana with Tren "The Barrel Hugger"

[clear heath]

and a boss spawns half the time at the start too

[haughty star]

or the one with that big gold room that's a assasination

[nocturne dust]

Bruh we are squishy, we are by far the squishiest class

[hearty wolf]

All of gloriana is aids imo

[clear heath]

what kind of evil creature designed that section?

[haughty star]

gloriana is the snowy one right?

[hearty wolf]

Okay

[clear heath]

chaos spawn shows up in an area that's entirely ledges near 20 barrels

[hearty wolf]

Yep

[haughty star]

if it's that one once you get past the first big open area ya got her licked

[hearty wolf]

Yeah when you're at the top, you should shoot the barrels as you go just in case

[haughty star]

it's getting past that part that's the tough part. catwalk is fairly easy i just struggle when all of my team dies to the boss in first area and in that big open power room

they just come from everywhere in there

[hearty wolf]

For that part

It helps to defend the corner with the spawns

And then you move with book/bubbles to objectives as necessary

oki I focus now so i game properly

Don't want another mishap

[cyan portal]

Watching it now

[clear heath]

everyone played so well that it felt easier than some of my low 30s games

I don't think i was ever concerned about a wipe even once

[cyan portal]

@nocturne dust every time you use primary on a pox busters with KF off cooldown 😬

[nocturne dust]

[clear heath]

lol

the gambler

[nocturne dust]

They're out of range anyway

Nah, even if KF procced, most of the time they're too far away to do anything

which is why I used lmb in the first place

If they're too close, I'll just push

although lmb probably would've saved me from my first brain rot moment instead of the push spam I was doing

even if KF procced

[midnight cove]

If i just wanna mulch hordes with a melee weapon, what's the best one for a psyker?

[nocturne dust]

Force Great Sword, probably

Maximum murder would be mk8 with wrath, but mk6 still handles hordes pretty well and does elites better. Up to you.

[cyan portal]

What's the link to the build you're running?

[zinc phoenix]

We have an enormous amount of really good tools for staying alive and a ton of toughness gen tho. Like EE, tons of stagger, a class resource that turns into toughness, KD, force push. Not as much passive endurance ability but a ton of active stuff

[nocturne dust]

I don't have one Lemme go make it in gameslantern

[midnight cove]

Been playing ek staff a bunch the past couple days and sometimes I just find myself slightly overwhelmed with hordes if I don't have shriek up, everything else the staff handles great

[zinc phoenix]

Mk8 does elites very hard with the poke

[midnight cove]

Mostly just doing auric maelstrom, no havoc shenanigans on psyker for me

[nocturne dust]

Toughness gen is, imo a bit overrated. You can have all the toughness gen in the world and still go down.

Psyker has a lot of active ways to defend, but that's not what people mean when they say 'squishy'

[zinc phoenix]

Sure, but nothing in this game can take much of a hit when it comes to the actually dangerous stuff

[clear heath]

zealot

[midnight cove]

I love when I get netted and slowly watch until death tick away

[nocturne dust]

I'm running Pen Flames and Blaze Away with +Unyielding and +Flak

[clear heath]

playing zealot is baby mode compared to playing psyker in melee

[nocturne dust]

I mean, I don't think that's fair. Chip damage kills too.

In fact, I died to chip damage in my Havoc 40 If I'd had full, I would've survived the Poxburster

[clear heath]

zealot having stupid amounts of damage reduction and literal death immunity

[zinc phoenix]

Purely from holy rev sure

[nocturne dust]

No, Zealot can survive an overhead without holy rev or gold toughness

[zinc phoenix]

But you also have to actually care about stam on zealot in a way you don’t on psyker

[clear heath]

all of their abilities are also good survival tools

[nocturne dust]

a crusher overhead

[cyan portal]

I like to explain it as 'we have the worst mistake mitigation, but the best mistake prevention.'

[clear heath]

ok this is kinda true
stam break into failing a poxburster push is infuriating

actual worst feeling in the game

[nocturne dust]

Just run stam on curios 🤷‍♂️

Zealot doesn't need the typical stats Psyker needs

so it ends up being about the same really

but Zealot still gets more survivability

[clear heath]

I think it's a small enough issue anyways

[zinc phoenix]

Plus havoc removes the traditional DR advantage in essence

[clear heath]

zealot can survive insane nuclear situations

[zinc phoenix]

That’s true when well played

[nocturne dust]

Sure, but Havoc isn't what should be balanced around.

[zinc phoenix]

They’re the solo class

[zinc phoenix]

TBH I wish havoc was the main mode 😂

Balance wise

[nocturne dust]

Also, if you care the FGS is the mk6 with shred/wrath and carapace/unyielding

My curios are... a mess

[nocturne dust]

Eeeeehhh no

I don't.

[clear heath]

I don't really think it's much of a problem anyways
Most psyker builds can deal damage without much effort, while zealots survive without much effort

I just choose between the two based off what aspect i wanna trivialize

[nocturne dust]

It's specifically made for the tryhards, but they are the minority and it's better to balance around a more casual audience.

[zinc phoenix]

I got very bored of rubber bullets in AM after two runs

[nocturne dust]

Imo

[zinc phoenix]

• quick play is ass

“Here you are into a mostly over rolling steel with two bots and a dying guy, go win”

[cyan portal]

It was a bit rude of Json not to put PC in a surge staff build running next to a purga

[midnight cove]

Idk going back to rubber bullets after sweating seeing any gunner in 30+ feels kinda nice

[zinc phoenix]

[nocturne dust]

[clear heath]

lol

[nocturne dust]

Json was meleeker

[clear heath]

I'm preserving his ego by not stealing warpfire damage

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah I’m done with 30+ until they add new penances, the 20s are pretty nice

[nocturne dust]

Preserving my sweet sweet Blaze Away

[clear heath]

Also i don't think i could handle it if i took off another survivability node on that build

[zinc phoenix]

Oh no I won’t get big box for my Scrooge mcduck vault

[midnight cove]

I'm still missing true survivor 😔

[clear heath]

i am on the line of just crumpling into dust

[midnight cove]

Only one other than the weeklies I have left

[zinc phoenix]

Just gotta find a good pug group and be relentlessly meta

[nocturne dust]

Yeah I'm still missing true survivor as well

[midnight cove]

Yeah ill probably just join alot of randos next reset

[zinc phoenix]

I was surprised I got it on the second attempt

[clear heath]

yeah i kinda threw it in our 39

[midnight cove]

Working on some other spammy penances for now

[clear heath]

If i was thinking about it, i would've tried harder not to go down

[cyan portal]

You killed 150 elites, 74 specials. Would have been heaps of PC value. Most would've boosted his warpfire rather than stolen it.

[midnight cove]

I didn't get downed in any successful 35+ I did, but there's always someone, I was playing zealot though so go figure

[clear heath]

but my mindset shifted away from surviving after i got my own true survivor

[clear heath]

meh, he's a purg build
those 3 stacks can be built pretty much instantly anyways

if he was trauma sure

but anyways i can't even slot that shit into my build

[zinc phoenix]

Now get flawless execution in havoc 30 😂

[clear heath]

i am trying not to evaporate with a non-meta build

[hidden coral]

I think going for True Survivor has made me a worse person lmao. The sheer momentary rage when someone goes down in a quiet moment, followed by dead apathy for the rest of the match

[cyan portal]

True, meleeker rough on points.

[midnight cove]

Pain

It really sucks having to rely on randoms in such a way honestly

I prefer the selfish penances

[clear heath]

if i had 1 extra point, i would be grabbing 15 toughness node anyways

[hearty wolf]

Honestly just don't stress it too much

[clear heath]

if i had 2 extra points, sure i'd grab the PC

[zinc phoenix]

I spent the whole TS attempt not worrying about damage and completely focused on preventing other people dying 😂

[hearty wolf]

The fun part of true survivor is figuring out what you can do to prevent other people's mistakes

[clear heath]

i played like a baby when i was going for TS

and we had 2 chorus zealots

I feel so free not having to think about it again

which explains some of my unhinged gameplay

[hearty wolf]

That sounds like me

[hidden coral]

Yeah it's motivated me to play very supportively, which is fun 😌 And I do want to get the penances for doing 100 havocs anyway, so as long as I get it before then I shouldn't be too annoyed lol

[cyan portal]

which server do you chaps play on?

[nocturne dust]

US west normally

[clear heath]

uswest

[nocturne dust]

but I was kinda lagging on that match so I think the Havoc 40 was a US east? Or maybe I'm just crazy

[hidden coral]

Oceania, but that tends to be pretty dead in Havoc so asian servers

[zinc phoenix]

Best to find a group explicitly going for it

[clear heath]

it was uswest

[nocturne dust]

Might've been the recording actually

[nocturne dust]

Then it was probs the recording messing

[midnight cove]

At least TS doesn't require a streak like the auric titles, I'm thankful for that

[zinc phoenix]

Could not agree more, this is massively better

[midnight cove]

Can't imagine how pissed I'd be if I needed to do like 5 40s in a row and failing on the last one

[clear heath]

yeah i'd go insane

[hearty wolf]

If it's a winstreak instead of death, it would be more than fine imo

[midnight cove]

Thatd be better honestly

But still pls no

[hearty wolf]

I don't mind no deaths though

I'd actually be fine with no damage

[hidden coral]

Especially since people leaving tends to doom the match. I had someone dip right after dying on a 40 in Gloriana. Like come on man, this map's bad enough lol

[cyan portal]

I kinda wanna take your spot in the same team running same loadouts, to try get a approximate comparison of our effectiveness. If they were keen?

[hearty wolf]

But I wouldn't want it to be a penance

[midnight cove]

The streak ones just give me insane anxiety

[midnight cove]

Oof condolences

[zinc phoenix]

There’s a no damage perk, corruption counts

Penance

[hearty wolf]

I mean for havoc 40 specifically

If there isn't the goo modifier

[hidden coral]

The first 40 I did was no damage! Glad I recorded it, but honestly with how conservatively people play it's not too bad compared to trying to perfect an auric maelstrom or something, you tend to get scraped

[hearty wolf]

It's pretty easy to avoid all damage

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️ I don't think it'll be the same map/modifiers but go for it if they want.

[clear heath]

I'd be fine with it, but not today. Kinda tired of playing tonight

[nocturne dust]

That would be @hearty wolf @clear heath and @bold cape

[clear heath]

still on that high of getting my first 40 clear

[midnight cove]

The groups in 35+ just feel so much more well rounded compared to your average am pug

[cyan portal]

Hit me up whenever you got a spot, will be keen if i'm awake

[zinc phoenix]

Impressive achievement while playing off meta 👏

[nocturne dust]

I would explode, and I got untouchable in auric 😭

[hearty wolf]

It's partially also the playstyle.

Like the way I play with @nocturne dust, @clear heath and @bold cape is way more comfortable for how my brain proceeses the game than @lethal lagoon and @split lance but that's just because those two are faster. It's not necessarily bad but it definintely is more chaotic

So even if you run the same loadout, it's about how you play it

and the subtext

[zinc phoenix]

I tend to like the slow and smooth teams more too

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, that was a very nice match because it was slow, methodical, and put together

Atlas and tren tend to just keep pushing even when there's a dozen gunners hitting from behind

[zinc phoenix]

The game becomes very easy if you take your time and check your corners

[hearty wolf]

What are you targetting? Where are you standing? Are you farming damage or are you looking out for specials while 3 other people hit the boss etc

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, you are my favorite slow little buddy..

[nocturne dust]

wait

You only like me cuz I feed you warpfire

[lethal lagoon]

You've only been feeding tren recently

[bold cape]

us same 4 should run havoc again tmrw to try for true survivor

[hearty wolf]

I've only had one havoc 40 that wasn't doable by taking my time

[nocturne dust]

Well that's cuz you dipped

[lethal lagoon]

I meant I don't use warpfire

[cyan portal]

True, but our disagreements are about what the more/most effective way to play purgatus is, so it's kinda the point.

[lethal lagoon]

Unless you count me stealing your warpfire with PC

[hearty wolf]

Sure - I already got it but idm helping. It also probably doesn't help it's 4 am lmfao

[zinc phoenix]

Stacking chorus zealots and a bubbler makes it very easy to TS

[strong gulch]

Y'all get 40?

[nocturne dust]

I mean, that run isn't what I would recommend for max pushing for a normal person 🤷‍♂️ That's what I run personally because it melds with my brain nicely.

[hearty wolf]

Yeye I know. I'm just saying when you analyse it, there are lots of complicating factors.

[nocturne dust]

I did. Almost got True Survivor twice, but that didn't pan out

[strong gulch]

We did 20s to high 30s together. Carry me to 40 pweez.

[split lance]

dw i still get most ranged dmg

[strong gulch]

Congrats and rip

[midnight cove]

Now that you say it, it was always the vet deciding to kill himself in the runs I've done xd

[clear heath]

It's okay, i threw your true survivor so you could get the joy of getting it with tren

you're welcome

[hearty wolf]

Either way, as long as one person calls the shots (and they make sense) and the rest listen, it's easy sailing

[split lance]

if u go far enough away they stop existing

[lethal lagoon]

Nah, I got more a few times

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

[hearty wolf]

You can get out of some incredible bs

[nocturne dust]

They don't, they teleport

or they follow, which is a bigger issue

[split lance]

in front of you

which

boop em

[lethal lagoon]

I'm also usually ahead in ranged damage, and then I slow down cause 40 minute games are too much for this old man.

[split lance]

and scoot em

[nocturne dust]

No, they don't teleport in front

[lethal lagoon]

[clear heath]

most of the callouts that are important are just "back up" when you know there'[s a boss trigger on that spot

[nocturne dust]

They teleport at available points, which could be in front

But the issue is that's not necessarily going to be true

and if they hit you from the back while you're trying to deal with the front?

bad times

[lethal lagoon]

Just move fast enough and the back never catchs up

[clear heath]

like all that really needs to happen is to not be across the map away, and not to pull a new horde when a boss comes

[hearty wolf]

Literally. And also directing where you're backing up too if you begin splitting into a horde.

[nocturne dust]

They teleport

[lethal lagoon]

Now they are the front, problem solved.

[nocturne dust]

True, it's very important to have someone keeping the group organized and together

[nocturne dust]

at available points, which could be in front

Do you even read my messages

😭

[lethal lagoon]

No.

[hearty wolf]

Honestly I would be very interested to try again with @lethal lagoon and @split lance at a faster pace of play. Everyone just has to be on the same page is all.

It's hard for me to compute that, if they're pushing, do I hold the back so specials don't break the backline? Because eventually they WILL catch up

But at least we would be together. Hm methinks

[nocturne dust]

I mean you can certainly go faster

It's just less safe

[split lance]

the only time to look back

is to stagger

then move forward omre

more

[nocturne dust]

This is why you die Tren

[hearty wolf]

speed

[nocturne dust]

[hearty wolf]

He does have a point tbf, you really can ignore a lot of shit if it's well managed

[split lance]

no its bc our distance means that my back is too far from ur front

[hearty wolf]

It just needs to be. Well., Managed

[nocturne dust]

well managed by who

[clear heath]

There are definitely times we could've pushed faster when it was just trash hordes

[hearty wolf]

Think of them as crackhead puppies that NEED to go on a walk

[clear heath]

If it's like an elite pack, probably don't pull a new wave

[hearty wolf]

You're responsible

[zinc phoenix]

Trash hordes can suddenly get friends tho

[nocturne dust]

I'm not responsible, I can't protect both the back, front, and sides 😭

[zinc phoenix]

Like some of my worst experiences come from ignoring the trash and then whoops here’s a giant mass of more shit to deal with

[clear heath]

yeah but they kinda don't matter, especially when we have true aoe like an inferno staff on the team

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, I've seen Havoc literally spawn elites inside trash

which is

[clear heath]

an inferno staff user probably doesn't care if it's just an elite pack vs an elite pack + poxwalkers

[hearty wolf]

It's why the relic blade is so goddamn good

[nocturne dust]

I don't believe in relic blade

[cyan portal]

Sure, but I said "Record a h40 run pushing purga to its limit and I'll never disagree with you again." The run is fine, and your Purga usage is sufficient, but i think its pretty far from approaching its limit.

[clear heath]

I think relic blade is fine

[hearty wolf]

It makes funny electric sounds

[zinc phoenix]

It’s quite fun

[clear heath]

I'm not like a massive fan of it, but it does fine in every situation and it's cool

[nocturne dust]

🤷‍♂️ I'm not a limit pusher though, I play too safely for that. Your challenge doesn't make sense for me in the first place.

[hearty wolf]

You are using the combo loops ya? H1 > [H2>L] for horde clear ya?

Then you can swap between the heavy and light overheads

for fast bonking

[clear heath]

I don't have a ton of practice on it. I haven't even really thought of combos on it

[hidden coral]

Vwoosh and staggers all the ragers in front of you 😌 Good content

[clear heath]

half the time i'm just light spamming it and kinda just works

[nocturne dust]

I actually hate the way it does that

[hearty wolf]

I think this is why you aren't a fan of it

[nocturne dust]

I just want to light or heavy spam. Mixing them is such a pain, and then knowing how to unmix them is even worse.

[hearty wolf]

You're losing out so much of its potential by not respecting the different combo flows

[cyan portal]

Then why constantly disagree when I say something is more effective if you're not actually trying to be most effective?

[hearty wolf]

I totally understand. This is why I used the mk15 eviscerator for a long time but @broken carbon basically convinvced me to try the mk3 evis instead

and like

I couldn't ever touch the mk15 again now

[haughty star]

meow also right about the 8 FGS being better imo

[nocturne dust]

You're phrasing it wrong though? Like, it isn't more effective imo is the whole crux of the argument, and it has nothing to do with my personal efficiency.

[hearty wolf]

Once you practice certain combos for a bit, it also just comes so naturally

[clear heath]

yeah i'm sure i could get a lot better at it. I just haven't really bothered

[main wyvern]

don't you get the havoc cache by interacting with the terminal?

[clear heath]

you did really well with it too. Considering like half your uptime is eaten by chorus, you did really good damage

[main wyvern]

and don't you need to interact with the terminal to queue up for havoc?

[clear heath]

most chorus zealots do like actually nothing

[nocturne dust]

It doesn't

[split lance]

only job is bosses

[nocturne dust]

I tried so hard with the crusher's simple combos but I couldn't do that

[haughty star]

man i really been sleeping on the illisi ever since the FGS came out

[nocturne dust]

Every time I tried to switch into something else my brain explodes

[hearty wolf]

Sometimes I drop chorus after we have gold toughness or we accidentlly use it both at the same time.

Sometimes I just don't use chorus because I want to get my blade close to overheating and then I'll use it

Bu tgenerally speaking, I'm using chorus all the time ya

Especially since I run triple cdr on curios and also running crit cdr

That's why I was saying, I want there to be a stat to show how much toughness I restored/ gold toughness I added/ damage prevented

Because the leaderboard doesn't really show the worth of what you're doing

it doesn't say on the leaderboard how I crouch in front of enemies while I push them back so my teamates can headshot etc

[clear heath]

psyker damage is also insane, so chorus zealot doing just half of psyker damage is generally what i'm seeing

[hearty wolf]

There was one Psyker I was with

He was really, really scary

dmg wise

I think he was running EMK staff with shriek?

[main wyvern]

it was me

[hearty wolf]

how do you do 1000k damage within the first 5 minutes of a mission basically :/

[main wyvern]

surge the boss

[split lance]

be me

[hearty wolf]

By the end dude was at like 15,000k

[main wyvern]

burn the horde

[cyan portal]

do you have a scoreboard of scary dmg on a scoreboard? Am curious

[split lance]

thats more damage than gets done by a whhole team in a 45min mael

[hearty wolf]

Give me a second to take a look.

[hearty wolf]

That's why I'm saying it's scary. Dude was OUTPUTTING.

Is there any chance it could actually be cheats? Like damage injection hacks or whatever?

[cyan portal]

mission time is useful number to put it in context too

[clear heath]

idk maybe scoreboard got bugged? Never seen something like that though

[hearty wolf]

That, unfortunately, I know I didn't have cos I wanted to show a friend but it doesn't show timer

[dense flume]

Any tips on these brain burst penances, particularly Shoot Fast? Tried making a an empowered psi build just to help, but still not fast enough, someone always kills them before the charge goes off.

[clear heath]

there's a mission time in the scoreboard history

[hearty wolf]

OH

I think I don't have history turned on

let me log on and check

I turned it off because it was causing me crashes when I finished a mission I think

but then I reinstalled it

:(

[clear heath]

rip

[hearty wolf]

yeah last ones are from ages ago fuck

I'll turn it back on

I have the guy on my friends list so we can play together again

[hidden coral]

This was the end of a havoc 40, 39 minutes long

So a million damage early would be pretty crazy lol

[clear heath]

yeah our havoc run only had like 3 million total

[nocturne dust]

A million early would be warp shenanigans

Agent can do a million in like a 20 minute run and I don't know anyone more of a DPS monster than them

[hearty wolf]

This was me on a havoc 40 run trying to clutch

I think this was long

like

1h 40m

[split lance]

tren

[hearty wolf]

really

[nocturne dust]

a mil in 5 minutes is 4x the damage

[hearty wolf]

really long

[split lance]

excuse me

i mean

Harold

[nocturne dust]

what about tren?

[hidden coral]

Phwoah, yeah that's numbers jeez

[cyan portal]

screenshot?

[nocturne dust]

Uh, ask Agent, I don't normally play with them 🤷‍♂️

[hearty wolf]

I found a screenshot but it's not of the game where he was using shriek and his "stronger" build or whatever

It's that Vex dude

Vallexia*

[cyan portal]

i wish you were in the habit of capturing mission time in your screenshots. that looks like a 60 min run

[potent echo]

How does this ever happen

[hearty wolf]

Am I supposed to turn off "only in overlay" for this?

Cos I swear it doesn't show up half the time

[hearty wolf]

cos if you look back up here, there is no timer

[cyan portal]

I was disconnected for 3-4 mins during the hold phase of final event which is prime constant dmg farming time, but even still, 1747.5K / 31 = 56.4k dpm. I wanna see someone do better so I can copy them.

[hearty wolf]

I think there are other things to focus on then dmg anyways

[plucky flax]

Tbf if you have 3 teammates with no horde clear then it's screwed as well.

[split lance]

34min needs more than 1700dmg. Right?

[plucky flax]

Like what's the total damage across the team?

[nocturne dust]

Do you have one of your super cool damage screenshots of 1 mil+ in 20 mins?

[plucky flax]

But you absolutely popped off tho given the support from teammates

[lethal lagoon]

Is that the scoreboard mod?

[cyan portal]

is the whole board (taken from friend because my disconnect reset mine)

[plucky flax]

I have not done 1 Mil in 20 mins. I think my best was 23 mins

[nocturne dust]

oh, well yeah

I didn't mean 20 exactly

[split lance]

i do

[nocturne dust]

in auric?

This is pre-havoc we're talking

[split lance]

ye

[nocturne dust]

Pics

[split lance]

havoc lbs arent impreesive

bc of the amount of health a mob has

a random trash mob

more health than a

idk

a something

[lethal lagoon]

More health than tren that's for sure

[split lance]

exactly

[haughty star]

lol

difficulty director be fucked sometimes

[zinc phoenix]

Them having more health and more cleave resist makes things more interesting imo

Esp with the extra dangerous guns

[clear heath]

The increased hitmass from 35+ hasn't actually bothered me much

i thought it would too but i just keep my peril up when a horde comes and it's not an issue

[zinc phoenix]

The pinned guide in zealot chat is anti the heavy sweeps on the mk10 but they feel kinda good if you don’t hold em

[clear heath]

I assume cleave from power/strength is also multiplicative so i guess i have like, 2 x 1.2 = 2.4x cleave from unstable + warp splitting

oh hi syllo

does power cleave multiply?

[summer prairie]

I know warp splitting just directly modifies enemy hitmass

[hearty wolf]

I use the MK2 iirc. The one where the push attack is a sweep

[clear heath]

Does it just effectively halve their hitmass at 100%?

[summer prairie]

or maybe not, looking at it again. It's the same buff as other cleave blessings

it's multiplied by max_hit_mass_attack which looks like the weapon cleave adjusted to power etc.

[clear heath]

oh so it does multiply then

i mainly took unstable because i assumed it multiplied with warp splitting

[wicked sedge]

whats the dump stat for staffs

[clear heath]

usually warp res

[nocturne dust]

warp res

Voidstrike exception

Voidstrike dump blast radius

[wicked sedge]

tyvm

[haughty star]

i'm really digging the heavy las

the 2 not the 10

the double bullet consump is whack but meh

[mellow heath]

I swear to god, if it happens again....

Oh thank god

And I just stop here, right?

Leave it at 53 resist?

Wait, no

One more level

56

There.

[zinc phoenix]

uh... thanks for the completely irrelevant spam?

[strong gulch]

It was spammy but I thing Eragon was just excited to finally be able to afford a weapon after getting fecked over by a rounding error.

[haughty star]

yall ever notice the red revolver skin has the best sight

[strong gulch]

I don't play enough revolver to notice, but I vaguely remember someone mentioning that.

[main wyvern]

can you invite people to join your havoc game mid run?

[nocturne dust]

Probably?

I haven't tried with new people

[main wyvern]

i accidentally hit play instead of party finder

i need to find 2 suckers to help me not get demoted

[nocturne dust]

But you can definitely do it with people that DC

wat rank?

[main wyvern]

19 lol

[nocturne dust]

Ah, that should be pretty easy. Just ask someone to bring bubble or book zealot.

[main wyvern]

i am bubble and my friend is book

fuck it we'll duo it

[nocturne dust]

I'd offer to help but I'm indisposed

[clear heath]

i think he means he's in the game right now with empty slots

[nocturne dust]

Right

He's also saying he wants to see if he can invite extra players

[clear heath]

You can probably duo the 19

i believe

[nocturne dust]

Also, I have actually used it to change my build btw

I got pulled into a match, realized my talent changes didn't register at all, DCed and then fixed it and rejoined off a buddy

So you can definitely get up to some shenanigans

[clear heath]

I wonder if someone could do that to undo being downed

[nocturne dust]

You keep your HP

[clear heath]

like it probably won't return you to the same state if you come back as a different character

[nocturne dust]

Oh, maybe a different character

I haven't tried that

[strong gulch]

I can try. I am a bit brain fogged tho. I'll hope into game.

[main wyvern]

there was an attempt

[strong gulch]

rip

[clear heath]

gloriana

pain

[main wyvern]

everything was going swimmingly until 2 bosses and rager horde

[nocturne dust]

Imagine a modifier where when you die you switch to a different character you have

when you're out of characters, you die permanently

[strong gulch]

Random loadout

[nocturne dust]

Roguelike mode wheeeeeeeeeeeeen

[mellow heath]

I mean, it was related to an earlier conversation, and also I was trying to confirm that keeping it a level lower to have even less warp resist was the correct play

[strong gulch]

Only if your other stats are at 80 and you are peril maxxing.

[mellow heath]

If I wanted to be truly irrelevant I'd be complaining in this chat about the like 5 crushers I just wiped against

[mellow heath]

I am largely, yeah. Warp Rider, One with the Warp, Warp Splitting, Scrier's Gaze Warp Unbound, Unstable Power on the Sword

And the crit chance from peril thing on my staff too

Though that's obviously less relevant

[jovial gust]

Recently I have came to enjoy Psyker much more than I did previously, but when they said Korean BBQ I don't think they meant this

[strong gulch]

Low WR is a usually a SIGNIFICAANT ordo investment. Sometime to aim for after your ordos start pilling up.

WR scales poorly and is a big factor in why it's a dump stat.

[maiden oracle]

@clear heath you’re the melee psyker right

Lend me your wisdom and a couple builds

[clear heath]

uh

hit enemy

[nocturne dust]

Yes

Json is the melee psyker

Nobody else ever uses melee on psyker

[clear heath]

actually i just finished putting the thing into gameslantern

[nocturne dust]

[clear heath]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da6170f-0cea-42bc-8a70-f44daca948c5/greatsword-havoc-40-build-do-not-use?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[maiden oracle]

Does psyker have any drastic gameplan/build changes for havoc

[clear heath]

mainly favouring bubble more

[maiden oracle]

Alright

[strong gulch]

Bubble and CDR for more bubble.

[cold geode]

Need shield and cdr

[maiden oracle]

I don’t really care about the ability but the blitzes look sick

Mostly the head popper and the magic stones

What changes could I make if I’m just playing normal stuff like auric damnation and whatnot

[cold geode]

TBH I don't think either of those are super useful in higher levels of havoc. Though a pumped brain burst might be better than shards.

[clear heath]

For my build, you could easily take off this and still maintain disrupt destiny

It's just in higher havocs, killing exactly what you want becomes way harder

it felt unmaintanable without it by the time i reached 30

[strong gulch]

If you're the only psyker, having purg/ inferno or trauma/ voidBLAST helps a lot. If there is another psyker doing that already, taking something like EK can help a lot with specials and range.

[summer prairie]

assail sets enemy hit mass to 1, it should still be decent for shooters

the main issue is not getting access to psykinetic

[clear heath]

yeah you'd probably do more damage with assail

[strong gulch]

The great price of assail. 😭

[clear heath]

I just didn't wanna give up psykinetic's aura

[maiden oracle]

Damn I have no idea what any of these words are lmao

[clear heath]

I didn't wanna give up this thing

which is why I path smite despite almost never using it

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[clear heath]

like i'm sure the team forgot i even had it at some point

[nocturne dust]

wait you had smite?

[clear heath]

It is nice for occasionally saving someone from a really bad position

but no one went out of position

if i use smite, it means you fucked up

[strong gulch]

You especially want psyk's aura if you don't have warp charges for CDR. I mean, you always want psyk's aura but even more so if you go DD in high havoc.

[clear heath]

some poor idiot gets trapped in a corner with 20 maulers and i'll end up having to smite

but generally i contribute more by just hitting them for actual damage

[strong gulch]

save me

[nocturne dust]

smite won't save you https://youtu.be/Py2ZGb-4JF4

[strong gulch]

Make it stop beloved.

[nocturne dust]

I've never seen a more cursed run

[strong gulch]

No joke, I think that run triggered an impending migraine. I've been in brain fog town ever since.

[nocturne dust]

Dang, that sucks Hope you feel better.

[strong gulch]

I'll try. Thanks fren.

[split lance]

@strong gulch

@amber willow

yall on

FUCK

[nocturne dust]

lol

[split lance]

@nocturne dust

[nocturne dust]

[strong gulch]

I can be but my brains are slow

[split lance]

thats fie

fine

we accept slow brain

[nocturne dust]

I'll need like 10 minutes

[split lance]

thats why im allowed to play this game

perfec t

[lethal lagoon]

[split lance]

69

[hidden coral]

You could alternatively grab BB, and I do like brain burst for the ocassional moment of a sniper or something way off, and the rest of the team on high havoc are just packing flamers and staffs. But granted, back pocket smite is maybe more likely to save someone

[clear heath]

Unfortunately i also needed malefic

so this was actually the only option

[hidden coral]

Ahh fair call! I don't tend to run builds that can take proper advantage of it, but I can see the appeal

[jovial gust]

Why does this happen?

[strong gulch]

2 DCed and I lost the floor.

[mellow heath]

What does the damage stat on the inferno staff actually do?

[cyan portal]

direct damage and stagger value

[mellow heath]

I see

Is stagger value what that 'burning intensity' thing in the inspect menu means?

[cyan portal]

Nope, that's how much the direct dmg ramps up if you hold the stream on a target

[mellow heath]

I see

[bold cape]

chaos wastes...

would literally make dt 10x better

[main wyvern]

i dodged off, my friend got knocked off, our rescuer got knocked off

never laughed so hard in my life!!!!!

[mental rock]

I've seen the same shotgunner at the top of some stairs shoot me off, then shoot off 2 other people who came running in for the rescue

He was the MVP for that round

[strong gulch]

When one elite or special clowns the team. It's always a banger. Give that one raise.

Maybe the dreg can finally buy some shoes.

[main wyvern]

it was a plague ogryn and one of those captain minibosses

champion plague ogryn

[split lance]

@marble crater

U around?

[radiant frigate]

i didn't watch all of it but it does look remarkably cursed

[radiant frigate]

gets promoted to captain, given some fancy gear, then sent in alone vs 4 rejects to get bullied and die

[jovial gust]

I don't have any mastery on Devil's Claw. Is this worth?

[radiant frigate]

no

[nocturne dust]

I've never seen it spawn weakened boss pairs twice in a row, then a regular boss, then another boss pair.

That may not even have been the end of it, we died before it could possibly spawn more

[mellow heath]

What are the best blessings for the voidblast for aoe clearing?

I'm thinking probably flurry, but not sure what the second one would be

Maybe just rending like the steam guide says, even though that's more skewed towards elites than mooks?

[knotty locust]

is warp rupture the worst talent in the game

or is there some hidden tech idk about it

[compact cargo]

Don't think tech can save that one

[clear heath]

yes!

I can't imagine what it could be used for

[summer prairie]

it would be fine if it wasn't competing with creeping flames

but then shriek would be pretty bad

[clear heath]

They should make it not mutually exclusive

or, make it not dogshit

[potent echo]

warp rupture when FGS exists

[compact cargo]

it needs a rework

[marble crater]

I was not now I'm around but not for doing missions yet

[nocturne dust]

nexus, blazing spirit

[jovial gust]

Funny Warp Rupture rework idea: Each enemy hit has a chance to receive the effect of the Blitz you are rocking, depending on the Blitz

[nocturne dust]

fire trauma is the AoE clear build

because trauma's blast radius is much bigger than the epicenter circle that you see

[jovial gust]

I say Infinite Pump Inferno is the AoE clear build

[nocturne dust]

so tons of enemies get hit by blazing spirit

[nocturne dust]

Their question was about voidblast specifically

[potent echo]

I had 1mil damage in havoc with voidblast blazing

[nocturne dust]

Havoc's real purpose is to give the scoreboard nerds higher numbers

[mellow heath]

Does that require you to actually spec into synergistic stuff in your talent tree for it, or is it self sufficient?

As in, how much crit/fire synergy do you need for it

[cyan portal]

Correct

[clear heath]

It feels like it benefits a lot from stuff like wildfire/perilous combustion/shriek
but i guess i haven't really used it without those

People take it into havoc without shriek and do fine so

[weary crane]

https://youtube.com/shorts/B1HjRb38uAs?si=raGOPKjq-CwWBeDl

Good ogryn defending psyker rights

[compact cargo]

[marble crater]

That's what Tren or Atlas did too, if you have enough bubbles or chorus you can probably pair it with shriek though, for some better ranged clear. Because holy shit those shooters sometimes

[nocturne dust]

It benefits from the synergistic left side, obviously, but handles fairly well regardless. In fact, of the staves only EK needs a specific setup to shine imo.

[marble crater]

My EK and Blaze Trauma builds are bascially the exact same, am I a noob?

[nocturne dust]

no

That is EK's highly specific setup

[clear heath]

yeah they typical ek setup is just a soulblaze build

[nocturne dust]

without it, EK is mostly just a weird and fairly weak revolver with limited range that ignores bulwarks

which, granted, still has a niche at least on havoc due to ammo concerns

[clear heath]

ek staff is doing fine on my build without soulblaze

[nocturne dust]

Honestly though, the weirdest part of Havoc is me discovering lmb spam is actually kinda interesting on it. You can do weird things like actually using the suppression.

[clear heath]

although trauma would probably just do better

[summer prairie]

the stun is also very useful

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, but you use it like a revolver

[summer prairie]

and you could run EE with it if you aren't greedy

[clear heath]

true

[nocturne dust]

I actually think it's almost a benefit to not run soulblaze when there's a Blaze Away purg in the group

[clear heath]

well good thing i can't afford the points then!

[summer prairie]

I don't think so, it's a bit more beneficial to get to high stack counts

[marble crater]

But I must shriek!

[clear heath]

a purg build probably doesn't really care about this imo

[nocturne dust]

Than 15?

[summer prairie]

unless you are talking about trauma, then trauma rending is good

[clear heath]

In the context of my build, it would literally be just perilous combustion

and i don't the void would be benefitting that much from me adding 3 stacks

that he could stack in like a second

[nocturne dust]

I mean, my context is that you just don't run other soulblaze-reliant builds

Like, because they interfere you would run something else and let soulblazer soulblaze

[summer prairie]

it's sad for the purg user but shriek surge is more additional damage than what is being lost due to purg not getting the full benefit out of blaze away

[clear heath]

For a shriek user, probably

but i think the shriek should ideally be on the purg user in that case

[nocturne dust]

Eh, I don't necessarily agree. Like, yeah, EK shriek outdamages purg, but is that really extra damage, or just shifting who gets the damage?

[summer prairie]

hard to say for sure but I'm just looking at the stack counts when I play and how quickly things melt

but maybe purg with shriek could do better

[nocturne dust]

Because Blaze Away on 15 stacks kills a whole lot, and EK doesn't really do that in the same sense. It doesn't really stack all that faster provided enemies are in purg range and it misses a whole 40% boost which is big

[jovial gust]

Cool

[potent echo]

Imagine if EK had blaze away haha

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/uncanny-emoji-angry-hakayaki-hakayaki-angry-emoji-gif-13101565263917230073

EK having blaze away would be so broken, not least because all of its BPs would be so easy to meet all of sudden

[summer prairie]

going from 15 stacks to 21 is +60% damage

[nocturne dust]

I wonder if you could drop perfect timing at that point

[jovial gust]

How tf am I supposed to put blessings on my EK now

[marble crater]

There are 4 extra blessing points left over

[nocturne dust]

Right, but Purgatus can shriek too

[summer prairie]

well yes, if purg has shriek then maybe

[marble crater]

But Purgatus takes so long to get high peril

[potent echo]

That's why you dump warp res

[clear heath]

I kinda feel like if you're choosing the shriek user, it should be purg

[summer prairie]

but more shriek is just better if you don't need a bubble

[potent echo]

Like 20% warp res

[clear heath]

but maybe ek staff needs the shriek quell that badly

[marble crater]

Trying to get 20% warp res sounds expensive

[potent echo]

I have one

[nocturne dust]

yes

[marble crater]

How much of a difference is it from 60?

I still have money, maybe I will actually try to get one

[nocturne dust]

Don't do it

[summer prairie]

surge with bubble is too sad to play though

[nocturne dust]

It's a trap

[jovial gust]

Here's another idea. Dump Creeping Flames entirely and use Venting Shriek merely to vent

[nocturne dust]

I run a 60% warp res purg and I never have issues shrieking

just don't take ER or the peril res on warp siphon

[clear heath]

Yeah i don't think it's actually that big of a problem to build peril

[nocturne dust]

waste of talents for shriek purg

[nocturne dust]

Do you know where I can find the formula for soulblaze damage? Like the actual mathematical formula?

or is it just a table or something

[marble crater]

I don't even like the peril reduction on warp siphon, it's not consistent and fucks with your timing and muscle memory just enough to be annoying

[nocturne dust]

Absolutely

I don't understand people that take warp siphon's peril reduction

[clear heath]

from pygex

[summer prairie]

I think the guide has it. I remember having a discussion about the formula with Pygex

[nocturne dust]

right, but like the formula

[summer prairie]

it's above the table

[nocturne dust]

[clear heath]

oh

[nocturne dust]

I seeeeeeee

[marble crater]

If I understand the formula correctly, it means that more stacks are better

[nocturne dust]

No, more stacks are bad.

https://tenor.com/view/nurgle-gif-14420043269314741948

[mental rock]

its an S curve

there is a nice graph in the pins

[jovial gust]

Time to piss off Edna Mode

[jovial gust]

How do you even manage to use LMB spam? It's so delayed AND it has travel time

[marble crater]

If you use quell cancel you can spam it faster

[clear heath]

you just shoot so much it doesn't even matter

i suck at aiming delayed projectiles too but lmb spam is so busted it just works

[marble crater]

Shoot, quell, shoot, quell, really fast, or use a macro I guess to save your hands

[upper sun]

now calculate power increases and rending

[nocturne dust]

wdym delayed?

[hearty wolf]

I awake

[bold cape]

imagine sleeping

[hearty wolf]

I needed to :(

I was SEEING things

[upper sun]

imagine not sleeping

[bold cape]

i didnt sleep

yet

dw ill sleep all day and wake up at like 6pm

[upper sun]

i have a massive strain in my shoulder i need to sleepmaxx so it fixes itself

[hearty wolf]

What if I told you that you could only get teru

true survivor if you sleep

[bold cape]

things keep going wrong D: im starting to burn out

ill probably sleep in like an hour

and if we can get void and json to play later im down

[slate oasis]

is it better to brain burst bosses or use fire staff on bosses? (using the generic fire staff build)

[marble crater]

Best is probably to burn them until they have max stacks and then brain burst a few times, then burn again to keep stacks up

[jovial gust]

There's a delay between pressing LMB and the projectile coming out

[marble crater]

I pretty much just burn bosses, because I am lazy and to deal with any smaller enemies that come along

[zinc phoenix]

Mostly the people doing it like a machine gun are using various macros to assist them in aiming and firing

[jovial gust]

tfym

[zinc phoenix]

So if you’re wondering why you can’t do that, that’s why

[jovial gust]

Oh I press faster than the fire rate, it's just too hard to aim with how delayed the projectile is

[zinc phoenix]

Well, you’re not using an aiming macro lol

But it does get easier to aim the lmb even if it’s not as easy to do it while pivoting and jumping around and whatnot

It needs a pretty sizeable lead at basically everything

[clear heath]

I just aim for the shit that's easy to hit and try not to think about it

shoot the ragers that are running directly towards you

[zinc phoenix]

I’m able to hit lateral movement at distance but if Ive been using a gun recently my aim will be completely off

[clear heath]

lmb spam is just so op that it'll just do well if you're not thinking about it too hard

[hearty wolf]

I actually am trying that our rn

I just died cos I tried to lmb a dog

and somehow missed point blank

so it munched me to death

[zinc phoenix]

Dont lmb dogs tbh

Just hold block and push em

Like when fighting specials take the safe play every time 😂

Idk if it’s some havoc shit but I’ve gotten to the point where I barely notice dogs in melee but they never get me anymore, I just reflexively bat them away

[hearty wolf]

When exactly do I use the ds4 instead of lmb spam

cos even at close range you can kinda just

dodge m1m1m1m1m1m1m1m1

[clear heath]

crushers i guess

[hearty wolf]

I thought the plan for crushers was 5x1 m1 then 2 m2s

[clear heath]

You can do that too

[hearty wolf]

Also going back to playing psyker

is giving me aids

[clear heath]

idk it doesn't really matter

[hearty wolf]

I went to go test in auric maelstrom and bad things are happening

I have had 2 team wipes in 10 minutes

[zinc phoenix]

Do you not enjoy the build? Psyker has some very fun builds and some very boring ones

[hearty wolf]

Uhh it's more like I don't know what I'm doing/ I don't feel effective with it. It's a skill issue so I just need to use it more

But uh

Wiping every 2 minutes isn't exactly a great learning process xd

[zinc phoenix]

Aurics are 💩 rn, everyone in havoc

[hearty wolf]

Wiped again in the first 2 minutes????

[marble crater]

Suppress ALL the ranged enemies with your lmb spam

[hearty wolf]

I'm doing this

I found one of my problems

I wasn't using smite

idk what they're doing

ahh shit

[marble crater]

[upper sun]

man

idc what people say spawns did get buffed

snipers are going crazy in every other mission

[marble crater]

There are more special spawns in havoc

[clear heath]

havoc spawns are weird

threats come in massive waves

you go from 5 poxwalkers trickling in, to a huge dump of 40 ragers

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/escalated-quickly-anchorman-drinking-gif-5112090

Havoc

[tacit stump]

quietude & warp expenditure or health boost and warp rider

[stable summit]

guys

what are best builds for havock

[marble crater]

Quietude and warp rider

[marble crater]

Bubble and then purgatus or blaze trauma

[tacit stump]

i would need health boost to even get warp rider

[stable summit]

not sure if should i use shield/smite or firestaff

[marble crater]

You can probably drop something else then, can you post your tree?

[tacit stump]

two points left

[marble crater]

Which staff is this for?

[stable summit]

purgatus or blaze trauma?

[tacit stump]

purgatus or blaze trauma

[stable summit]

whats that

[marble crater]

Inferno and voidblast, sorry. I'm still used to the old names

[marble crater]

And for havoc or no?

[stable summit]

you mean staff?

[tacit stump]

no havoc

[marble crater]

No, those two are the stave names

[stable summit]

oh ok

[tacit stump]

trauma = voidblast,
purgatus = inferno,
surge = electrokinetic

[marble crater]

You don't really need the faster assail recharge, personally I would change soulstealer to quietude, because then you can regain toughness when there are no enemies to attack

Souldrinker is also not amazing from what I hear, but warp splitting would work nice with assail

[tacit stump]

warp splitting for assail

[marble crater]

Ah, you are not lvl 30 yet right? I was wondering why you didn't have enough points to get warp rider

[tacit stump]

i left two points out

i am maxed

[marble crater]

Then get warp rider, drop the assail add on for quietude and change souldrinker to warp splitting, imo

[tacit stump]

i find it just hard to optimize psyker so manny good options

[marble crater]

You also might have more than enough toughness then and can drop essence harvest maybe and get the assail add on again if you want

[tacit stump]

by other classes i don't need to think about it that much

[marble crater]

#psyker-class message here are some examples by the way

[clear heath]

I'm just watching my friend do pox gas blighted with no corruption heal on havoc 30

fun watching him suffer

this looks awful

[marble crater]

[clear heath]

it has been like 2 minutes

[marble crater]

Extra bombers too?

[clear heath]

oh i forgot to check

I have actually 0 faith he'll win though

no corruption heal on this is fucked up

[marble crater]

In this case it doesn't help that you play with assail and also warp siphon I guess, so you are naturally a bit short on points

[tacit stump]

what is better for havoc zealot or psyker

[marble crater]

Whichever you can play better, they are both great

[hearty wolf]

Lost anyway

I fucking hate this build xd

[marble crater]

Bubble and chorus are both very good to have or essential even, bubble maybe a little bit more important

[tacit stump]

maybe warp siphon isn't that important but neat

else perhaps dd or ep

[marble crater]

You don't have any non warp ranged attack, do you? So you can take kinetic deflection

[hearty wolf]

For smite, am I supposed to charge it first prior to left click?

[radiant ice]

Swap Etheral for Warp Splitting

[radiant ice]

Shards with Soulstealer is S tier

[marble crater]

Yes, but I mean the node next to kinetic deflection

That doesn't do anything unless you use a gun

[radiant ice]

Oh right sorry “non-warp”

Multitasking and misread your statement! XD

[marble crater]

No worries

[marble crater]

Charge if you want to lock down a big group of enemies, don't charge if you just want to stun or interrupt a single enemy really fast

[radiant ice]

What is this build for?

As in weapon wise

I saw you say Inferno/Trauma staff above but seems a wild build for that combo

[tacit stump]

i had some situation where kinetic deflection made me explode

[radiant ice]

It can't

[tacit stump]

i think it was before some patch

[marble crater]

Did you use a force sword while blocking and then used a push attack?

That might do it

[tacit stump]

could be

[radiant ice]

So what weapon is that build for? XD

Gunker?

Oh wait, no non warp attacks

[tacit stump]

mixxed up likely dd is mostly precision

and not worth on other staffs beside voidstrike

[radiant ice]

I mean this could be tweaked into a great Voidstrike build

But then I don't feel assail is worth without Warp Unbound on Scriers Gaze

Cause then your staff and blitz are just doing the same thing

[tacit stump]

so ep and ws are only likely trauma, purgatus

[marble crater]

I gave my advice based on using it with inferno or voidblast without changing it too much

Because personally if I play those I don't have a lot of time to use assail so it's wasted on me

[tacit stump]

weird that psyker has no critrate node

[marble crater]

We do

[radiant ice]

We have several

[marble crater]

Above kinetic deflection and the aura as well

[tacit stump]

i mean as keystone

[radiant ice]

Scriers Gaze also gives a flat 20% increase to crit chance

[tacit stump]

i go scriers only on gunker

[radiant ice]

Then you're missing out

Try something like that for staff crits

[tacit stump]

you mean likely voidstrike/surge scriers

[radiant ice]

Inferno Scriers is still super strong

EK right click

Trauma on a non-soulblaze build

EK's left click even

And of course Voidstrike shines with it

[hearty wolf]

Ty it was going much better

I joined giga late too

And promptly died much later

Mutant grab + burster

[marble crater]

[hearty wolf]

I was finding smite much more enjoyable when it stuns more than 1 enemy

Ngl shriek doesn't do what I felt like I thought it did

The stun on it seems giga week or the range is super limited or smth

[marble crater]

It's has a 30m range I think

And it only staggers, not stun. It's enough to interrupt anything that wants to disable you and also to get dogs off your team through walls and far away

[knotty locust]

the stagger is insane on it

[marble crater]

It doesn't say in the talent but does the stagger increase with peril?

I should know this with how much I use it

[knotty locust]

don't believe so

[tacit stump]

i wish smite wasn't the middle blitz

[abstract forge]

what would you swap it with

[knotty locust]

assail so i could take psykinetics aura with it

[tacit stump]

yep with assail

[marble crater]

[tacit stump]

smite feels so situational

i rather use meele or staff

[marble crater]

They are tools to be used in the right situations

Not to spam all game

[knotty locust]

unless its assail

[tacit stump]

assail shards are not thrown against carapace or monstrrs

[knotty locust]

that is true

they're spammed ALMOST all game

[thorn cedar]

should not be

[tacit stump]

horde clear and special sniping

[thorn cedar]

but they deffo regularly are by some lmao

[knotty locust]

i mean im guilty of it

if im playing assail im going entirely into it

[tacit stump]

bombers and sniper feel the most of my assail shards

[knotty locust]

lord knows im not taking this shit otherwise

[tacit stump]

and by hordes you throw quick a bunch and swap then to staff or meele

[potent echo]

assail with psykinetics aura would be

[knotty locust]

peak

it would be the best thing ever

[potent echo]

smite without psykinetic aura would be

so bad

[knotty locust]

good

fuck smite

fuck smykers

[tacit stump]

i would like assail with wildfire

[potent echo]

just let all blitz cross to get whatever below

[marble crater]

Swap Psykentic's Aura with battle meditation?

Actually, no that's a point tax

[tacit stump]

vet and zealot say hello

[tacit stump]

cause you would need to take quietude or void expenditure?

which are thoughness generators

[marble crater]

Because you still need to take battle meditation or wildfire afterwards

[tacit stump]

and why is warp expenditure so low compared to quietude

[thorn cedar]

ive been sayin that a while

[hearty wolf]

@marble crater Okay we only died once this game, it's progress. I think the reason I was finding shriek and smite doing poo poo is because, or well I think, enemies with nurgles blessing are resistant to it (?)

Like I had a rager walk into my LoS while I was smiting and just smack me in the face.

Or is it because my smite had already chained too many times and since he came in later, he wouldn't be caught?

[plucky flax]

Pog

Must be pro player.

[marble crater]

Yeah, you can't cc enemies with nurgles blessings

[hearty wolf]

That explains a lot

That's pretty dangerous for smyker

[marble crater]

[radiant frigate]

at all?

[marble crater]

I think so yes

Or the resistance is so high I still never managed to reach it before they died

[radiant frigate]

that's epic

[potent echo]

you can't cc with smite

trauma still kicks ass

[tacit stump]

enemies fly around

[hearty wolf]

Alright that's enough emk staff for me. I didn't think i needed to have a learning curve to press m1 but apprently I did

Time for inferno staff

[plucky flax]

Doing havoc 29 there's 12 pending requests but the host wouldn't take them.

[potent echo]

ppl giving me grief for not taking shield

i take shield and they just stand in it and die when it expires

they never learn

[rare storm]

Hello psyker friends

It has been long time

How is the greatsword

[potent echo]

its great for aurics

[marble crater]

I tried trauma in the past and it didn't knock them over, it was not pleasant

[rare storm]

Ah fuck all 13 of my loadouts are empty

[marble crater]

Sometimes request don't show up for me

[plucky flax]

I am not bringing bubble to this havoc 29.

I bet I'll get kicked soon.

[rare storm]

Is the skill tree still same as before

[potent echo]

for psyker?

[rare storm]

ye

[potent echo]

depends on how before

[rare storm]

or do I have to learn new shit

hm

March?

LOL

[potent echo]

guh

[plucky flax]

Ye

[potent echo]

its mostly the same i think

[rare storm]

wait let me see my last sent

[marble crater]

You can run the same builds as before, but there are extra nodes

[rare storm]

Ah yes april

ooo

I see the level cap is up to 40

[potent echo]

no

where do you see that

[rare storm]

Is it not

[marble crater]

[rare storm]

Some guy here is lv40

[potent echo]

thats just the mod

[upbeat kestrel]

its lvl 40 havoc

[rare storm]

And I haven't updated my mods

[potent echo]

or its havoc 40

or something

[rare storm]

Oh

[potent echo]

probably havoc 40

gamer

[rare storm]

Damn

Aite

[marble crater]

I wish the level and havoc level looked differently

[upbeat kestrel]

they do