psyker-class

[nocturne dust]

You need speed when you're moving between targets, not when the targets are literally everywhere

[prime elk]

I guess we play differently then

[nocturne dust]

As a bible thumper, can't relate

[ripe obsidian]

I've not been able to decide if I like VI or VIII better.

[clear heath]

or i guess you could replace wrath anyways if not doing havoc
cleave only becomes an issue there anyways

[lost harbor]

I'm using deflector and shred, those don't combine well?

[prime elk]

What too much havoc does to a mfer

[clear heath]

that's fine

[prime elk]

FGS has a lot of good combos

[thorn cedar]

zealot is not faster unless were talking both classes outside of combat sprinting across a room

[nocturne dust]

If they literally made every speed buff on Psyker 30 seconds would you have a problem with it?

[lost harbor]

What's better between wraith and shred?

[prime elk]

Yeah because psyker is already overturned af

[clear heath]

depends

[nocturne dust]

[prime elk]

But it would be funny

Very funny

[nocturne dust]

Staffker sure

although I disagree with the 'overtuned' language, they are in a good place and need no adjustment

but Meleeker/Gunker? Eeeeeehhhhh

[clear heath]

if you're just during auric dmanation, you don't need wrath at all.
If you're doing high havoc, you need some sort of cleave increase, like wrath or warp splitting in the tree

[radiant ice]

[clear heath]

or i guess you don't, if you're using a staff for hordes

[prime elk]

Nah the class as a whole but yes especially staffker

[clear heath]

whether you need wrath is pretty build/situation dependant

[nocturne dust]

I disagree pretty hard

[prime elk]

There’s a reason I don’t do staffker anymore

[nocturne dust]

I don't hate meleeker, but I think speed is exactly what they need more of and I don't think it would be OP

[radiant ice]

This always happens when someone discovers a glass cannon and see it played by someone who can keep themselves alive, in any game

[thorn cedar]

i think youre wrong as fuck but alright

[prime elk]

Gonna be hard to buff just bonkers tbh

But even with fgs i think melee speed is fine if going full right side

As you should

[nocturne dust]

which is exactly when you need speed

[bitter escarp]

Bonkers

[nocturne dust]

You need speed to get to the targets

You don't need speed when you're at the targets

[spice veldt]

is it out of combat to be reaching targets

what

[thorn cedar]

but warp speed is bad huh

[clear heath]

there's never actually that much space between targets though

[lost harbor]

I'm going scrier's gaze, so no staff

[clear heath]

there's usually something to hit

[nocturne dust]

no, but watch all of gunker's buffs expire

[thorn cedar]

mettle is 15% pretty much perma in combat of any kind, 20% in bursts from DD, 20% from scriers

[radiant ice]

Kinda, but it is fun

[thorn cedar]

psyker is beyond fast

zealot might be able to be consistently "fast" but is nowhere near as fast

[nocturne dust]

Psyker's peak is higher, sure

but they're very rarely at that peak

[thorn cedar]

its a very easy to maintain peak

[clear heath]

for a build like that, you can probably try just taking warp splitting in tree and see how it goes without wrath.
If you ever have trouble with it not hitting through enough enemies, just remember wrath as an option

[nocturne dust]

you're just wrong

[thorn cedar]

you're just not very good at it

[nocturne dust]

You're telling me DD's speed is 'very easy to maintain'?

[thorn cedar]

yes

[nocturne dust]

2.5s to find a new target every single time?

Bruh, you're crazy

[thorn cedar]

youre talking to the guy who uses perfectionist

[nocturne dust]

You must also use precog

[clear heath]

there is usually not that much time spent sprinting towards a target

there are enemies everywhere

[nocturne dust]

Right, but then you also have to crit

[prime elk]

Yeah even assuming you’re just entering combat with no buffs, you literally just press F and boom 20% speed buff lol

The only thing that can match it is Fury

[main wyvern]

Chat I made the best build ever

[prime elk]

But that’s a single burst

[nocturne dust]

and Warp Speed is very often not active because of how it works, even with Crack of Bone. Only TtS can keep up with Scrier's, and you have to be magdumping for that

[thorn cedar]

zealot with all move speed nodes + swift certainty gets you 6u/s speed

[prime elk]

Nah you can keep it up for a very long time

[thorn cedar]

which is .1 units faster than base psyker with a combat knife

obviously not bad at all, and i am not even including any weapon speed bonuses

[nocturne dust]

[thorn cedar]

but we have 5.25u/s base if you pick the move speed node in the tree, and then we start applying the rest

[prime elk]

And you’re still getting 40% speed boost from other sources while in combat

Even if warp speed isn’t up

[thorn cedar]

you are already faster than the zealot with just warp speed

6.3u/s

if we want to be generous and give zealot TWBS and pretend it was always active, that's still 'only' 7.15u/s

[radiant frigate]

nyoom

[nocturne dust]

My issue isn't the amount of speed, my issue remains the uptime of it

[thorn cedar]

and i say only because psyker hits 8.4u/s

again this is before any weapon

if you cant get shit done

[prime elk]

It’s up when you need it, and not up when you don’t need it. I really don’t see issues here

[thorn cedar]

at these speeds

then i dont know what to say other than the shit just isnt for you

[nocturne dust]

I disagree

🤷‍♂️

You don't need it when you have targets galore

[prime elk]

It’s ok man. Stick with staffker.

[thorn cedar]

but you need it to get to targets

but its bad because you cant

but you dont need it because targets galore

[nocturne dust]

You do need it when you're closing gaps and running across a field to hit enemies with your sword

[nocturne dust]

[prime elk]

Just stick with staffker. Bonker isn’t for everyone.

[nocturne dust]

Bruh, I may prefer staffker but I'm not a slouch with meleeker

It just could be... y'know, not problematic in the way that it is

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

[zinc phoenix]

behold

[clear heath]

nice

[zinc phoenix]

i like the idea of carapace on it, i bonk a lot of heavy stuff

[jaunty tiger]

Is this with or without scrier and dd

[thorn cedar]

even without

[jaunty tiger]

Man

[thorn cedar]

just mettle and the one move speed node makes you fast

[jaunty tiger]

Is it because I'm using fgs

[clear heath]

unyielding on it is good too btw

[prime elk]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1185515538475134998/1315181063097810955/image.png?ex=675c6810&is=675b1690&hm=b2b210a689bb0972202a56f3300e1b681e3b6a7d178ed0562159cf373efcfe96&

[zinc phoenix]

psyker with dd/sg: blazin
psyker with ds: ok
psyker with staff: 💀

[prime elk]

Hehe

[jaunty tiger]

I feel slow as shit

[thorn cedar]

sword is our slowest weapon

[nocturne dust]

FGS is very slow

😔

[clear heath]

unyielding cara is the general recommendation for fgs

[zinc phoenix]

not flak?

i feel like i hate flak so much

[clear heath]

i'm personally trying elites unyielding. can't tell if it's better or worse cause breakpoint testing for havoc is nonexistent

[nocturne dust]

It's a 4 second buff

[strong gulch]

Then do flak. Best perk is against what you hate most.

[prime elk]

That’s a really long time in this kinda game, especially when it’s an easily sustainable buff

[nocturne dust]

It's not, and it ain't.

[prime elk]

EE is one second and easily sustained on the right build

[thorn cedar]

four seconds to land another crit on the crittiest class in the game

however can one achieve this

[clear heath]

you kill flak very easily anyways once DD has a few stacks
like even ragers
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1315913789044035604/fgs_ragers.mp4?ex=675c6f77&is=675b1df7&hm=3b41b89baf5739d1c63104f9bd6519e95c0f077ac54218e9c7bc85a063bd04b4&

[prime elk]

Skil…

[clear heath]

also yes that stagger is insane

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-falls-walter-falls-falls-over-gif-25169590

[nocturne dust]

It's on crit. Which can be trivial... if you stack a ton of crit, but I'm literally in Psykh and just watched it expire while smacking a Chaos Spawn on a shred weapon

at 37.5% crit

[zinc phoenix]

mk8 is a lot of fun but hurting my hand some so back to mk6

[thorn cedar]

he falls the wrong direction

[clear heath]

the projectile has the stagger though, not the blade itself, so you have to a little bit of distance

usually a non-issue

[prime elk]

Fuck you ruined it for me

[thorn cedar]

it was already ruined

[split lance]

guys

[strong gulch]

If FGS wasn't my monster damage, I'd put cara and elites on it.

Sometimes you gotta stab orgyn enemies.

[jaunty tiger]

I always blow up that barrel immediately

When the door opens

[strong gulch]

We need a chef's kiss emoji

[zinc phoenix]

i always duel crushers 😂

it ends badly a decent amount of the time but who cares its so fun

[strong gulch]

Luckily, FGS bashes crushers good.

[split lance]

THERE WERE OTHER PRIORITIES

[clear heath]

fgs has so much range that it's still kinda safe

make use of that 5 meters of range

[nocturne dust]

never

[jaunty tiger]

Barrle>crusher in threat level

I've seen clips of that one wiping out an entire team

How often do crushers kill 4 people at once

[empty agate]

🕊️

[strong gulch]

Mutant and burster tried to end you before the barrel could.

[radiant ice]

I'm free for a while too atm whenever you are

[strong gulch]

In our team.... more often than barrels.

[bitter escarp]

One swing, four pankarks

[nocturne dust]

I've run the test a couple times. FGS mk6 heavy spam regularly has mettle speed expire about once on a boss when all I'm doing is smacking a boss on the head. No dodging, no distractions, no safety. My FGS has shred. Yes, this is without Scrier's but still. That's bad. It'd be worse if I didn't have Shred.

[midnight cove]

barrels are the worst

[jaunty tiger]

What would you rather do, walk along a narrow walkway with 100 barrels with your team or fight 100 crushers

I'll fight 100 crushers personally

[nocturne dust]

Idk how you can call mettle a consistent buff if isn't even consistent enough to stick around on a shred weapon constantly attacking

[thorn cedar]

the slowest weapon we have

and the slowest attack

[strong gulch]

Not saying to ignore barrels. Just that example happens more.

Edit: Specifically in our team.

[nocturne dust]

FGS is not that slow

and plus, I've got shred on it which isn't always the case

[thorn cedar]

sure, equip the illisi and get back to me

[nocturne dust]

I could switch to DS, which doesn't have shred

also also

this is with lightning speed too

[jaunty tiger]

I have to agree that critting once every 4 second is not hard if you get crit on the tree

EE needs once every second

[thorn cedar]

once every four seconds is farcical

[jaunty tiger]

And you can maintain that perma on some builds

[nocturne dust]

just did it

It still expires even spamming lights

It turns out

not having +20% crit

much more important

Lol, it expires more often than shred FGS

[thorn cedar]

breaking news: man discovers having crit crucial in maintaining crit-triggered buffs and their uptime

[nocturne dust]

I'm on a crit build

[bitter escarp]

Just slap shred on it for testing and change it back?

[nocturne dust]

for FGS? or wdym?

My FGS normally has shred

[bitter escarp]

Why would you change two variables and call it a fair comparison

[nocturne dust]

I'm not comparing illisi and FGS tho

[thorn cedar]

because he isnt saying anything worth listening to anyway

[nocturne dust]

I'm looking at mettle uptime

[nocturne dust]

Bruh

I'm literally giving you actual data and you say it's not worth listening to

[bitter escarp]

Your data is cooked

[nocturne dust]

You're just living in a speed fairytale

[bitter escarp]

Huge confound

[nocturne dust]

It's not a comparison between swords

[bitter escarp]

Illisi is meaningfully faster than FGS

[nocturne dust]

It's an examination of mettle uptime

[jaunty tiger]

Tbf he's not comparing them

[nocturne dust]

Nobody runs shred on Illisi

that's the problem

[jaunty tiger]

His point is that mettle is impossible to maintain reliably

[nocturne dust]

Yes

[bitter escarp]

But if you don't have Shred on it it's not going to change what you're examining

[jaunty tiger]

I don't agree with it

[clear heath]

yeah i don't think you should bother testing with shred

on illisi

[jaunty tiger]

But it doesn't matter if it's fair between fgs and illsi

[bitter escarp]

The counterpoint was that an Illisi is faster

[nocturne dust]

Like, I can go put shred on Illisi

[thorn cedar]

and his discovery is that not having a crit engine makes landing crits difficult for crit talents

[nocturne dust]

but Illisi doesn't run shred

[thorn cedar]

which is a giant no shit

[bitter escarp]

It doesn't, but that's not the point

[nocturne dust]

wtf you mean

[jaunty tiger]

He's trying to demonstrate that you can't do it with common weapons

[nocturne dust]

what 'crit engine' nonsense you talking about?

[jaunty tiger]

Maintain mettle

I mean

[bitter escarp]

The point is that it was a vehicle for checking if the increased attack speed matters for mettle uptime

[split lance]

@lethal lagoon

[nocturne dust]

I never said it doesn't

[clear heath]

i mean the real answer is just throw an assail with perfect timing

[nocturne dust]

Of course it does

[jaunty tiger]

not exactly, he used FGS first, said you cant maintain mettle

[clear heath]

or in my case i use surge staff as i gapclose

[jaunty tiger]

exploits said try illisi instead, so he used it

[nocturne dust]

but Illisi doesn't run shred

[jaunty tiger]

its not really about illisi vs fgs

[thorn cedar]

sans shred

[bitter escarp]

I read the same chat yes

He used a weapon without shred

Like, what

[jaunty tiger]

i dont think illisi runs shred

no?

[nocturne dust]

[clear heath]

yeah because you don't take shred on it

[thorn cedar]

and the slowest weapons heavy attacks with shred

[nocturne dust]

Illisi runs Uncanny/Slaughterer

[thorn cedar]

so now do a bit of creative thinking

[bitter escarp]

It does not but it doesn't matter here because that's just a vehicle for the test

[thorn cedar]

what weapon could run a crit engine

or are there perhaps other crit engines that are not shred

[bitter escarp]

Taxe

[jaunty tiger]

it does matter because his point is that you can't realistically maintain mettle on a normal build

[thorn cedar]

really ponder

[jaunty tiger]

again i dont agree

[bitter escarp]

[jaunty tiger]

but if you put shred on illisi that's not normal

[nocturne dust]

So you're telling me

That the buff is consistent

but also

it only works

with a specific melee

That being DS/Knife

[thorn cedar]

do you mean to tell me

that certain talents and weapons

[nocturne dust]

Bruh

[thorn cedar]

synergize with each other?

[bitter escarp]

I'm not talking about the normalness of the Illisi here

[nocturne dust]

Bruh

It ain't about synergies here

[jaunty tiger]

yea but you're talking about something different than he was, is my point

[thorn cedar]

im bored of this, youre terribly uncreative

[nocturne dust]

You're terrible at logic

[jaunty tiger]

tbh

[clear heath]

okay but actually just throw a crit assail every 4 swings

[nocturne dust]

Mettle expires on the class-exclusive weapons while spamming attacks, how is that not a problem?

[thorn cedar]

incorrect, i deduced by logic alone that the deadvoid in your username refers to your skull's contents

[nocturne dust]

How is that consistent?

How is that good speed?

[jaunty tiger]

i was gonna say you can solve this just by recording tests

[bitter escarp]

Yes, that's why we're disagreeing

[nocturne dust]

Hurrr duurrrr, bad faith arguments

[jaunty tiger]

but it sounds like its past that point

[nocturne dust]

Go away if all you're capable of is insults

[thorn cedar]

"Youre bad at logic"

[bitter escarp]

Jfc

[nocturne dust]

"You're uncreative"

[thorn cedar]

yes very

[jaunty tiger]

i'm saying you are arguing against a strawman in that case

[nocturne dust]

Lol

Hypocrite

[jaunty tiger]

he never said illisi is better or worse than fgs at something

the comparison doesnt matter between them

again though, i dont agree its hard to crit 1 time every 4 seconds

[thorn cedar]

and no the weapon in specific isnt that important, its really just having a crit engine or built in crit mod

[nocturne dust]

I just used shred

[thorn cedar]

faster attacks = more crits but that's about it

[ripe obsidian]

In my experience, people who say "I'm bored of this" to end a discussion have lost but don't want to admit it. I saw it a lot when I taught in elementary schools.

[bitter escarp]

I'm saying that the point of the Illisi is merely as a test platform, it doesn't matter what it normally runs, all that's important is the attack speed in relation to the FGS

That was the thrust of my critique about not having it in the comparison

[clear heath]

but that isn't what the conversation is about

[nocturne dust]

You're still thinking in terms of comparison

[jaunty tiger]

that is not what the conversation is about

[nocturne dust]

That's comparing it

[jaunty tiger]

yeah

[bitter escarp]

Fuck sake

[jaunty tiger]

you said "in relation" and thats already not the point

look im really not trying to be a dick about it but just to lay it out

[nocturne dust]

There is no 'in relation to FGS', because FGS and illisi are two separate data points for a different argument

[jaunty tiger]

his argument is:

"you cant maintain mettle on most psyker weapons"

and your argument is

[clear heath]

the convo is about whether you can maintain mettle in a normal build
if illisi doesn't normally run shred, then it shouldn't be used as a test. It's actually exploit's fault for mentioning it at all

[jaunty tiger]

"well you cant fairly compare illisi and fgs if one doesnt have shred"

do you not see how these two sentences are like

completely nonsense in relatilon to each other

[haughty star]

just clutched a god damn maelstrom on that one assasination with the riser just to have the 3head that i managed to keep alive shoot a poxburster coming down the stairs and launch us both off the map

[bitter escarp]

My argument is that he had trouble maintaining it on FGS with Shred, he was told by Exploits to use an Illisi (re: attack speed) and he did it with an Illisi without Shred

[clear heath]

like no one cares about a fair comparison
in a fair comparison, we fucking know illisi crits more than fgs with shred

[thorn cedar]

not really, i suggested he try something that is not our slowest melee and only swinging heavies
he proceeded to test a faster weapon but without the same blessings anyway

[jaunty tiger]

because his point is you cant maintain shred on realistic psyker builds and putting shred on an illisi is not realistic

[nocturne dust]

bruh

do you run shred on Illisi?

[clear heath]

but you don't run those blessings so what's the point in bringing it up?

[nocturne dust]

[thorn cedar]

because its a test, lmao

[clear heath]

like you're bringing up a situation that doesn't exist to prove it's useful?

this is the worst example

[proper osprey]

Illis would be cool if it worked like the relic blade

[thorn cedar]

its not about running a havoc

[nocturne dust]

Look, I'ma go run shred on Illisi just to stop you two from strawmanning

[bitter escarp]

It doesn't matter in the slightest here, the Illisi is a vehicle for attack speed

[thorn cedar]

can you swing a weapon and maintain mettle

[proper osprey]

Yeah

[thorn cedar]

if you have two with shred and the slowest one can't, try the faster one

it's not complex

[nocturne dust]

(actually no)

[clear heath]

okay but if you don't ever run a real weapon in this setup, this example doesn't matter

[jaunty tiger]

it matters because he's saying that it doesn't work in the context of a build, not whether its physically possible or not to maintain it with a certain amount of attackspeed

[proper osprey]

[thorn cedar]

horribly uncreative

[clear heath]

shred illisi is not a real setup

no one runs this dogshit

[nocturne dust]

Shred Illisi

still expires

who could've guessed?

[bitter escarp]

If the Illisi - a faster weapon than the FGS, but not one faster than many available in the Psyker arsenal - can maintain better Mettle uptime, what does that tell you?

[thorn cedar]

that youre horrible at logic

[bitter escarp]

It's not a real setup, it's a testbed jfc

[clear heath]

nothing because i already know
the question was whether a practical build can maintain mettle uptine

you're answering the wrong problem

it isn't what does more, it's what actually is useful

[jaunty tiger]

the entire point was about real setups

[clear heath]

literally everyone in this room knows that a faster weapon with the same crit will crit more

[jaunty tiger]

othewrise i would just say "why not just take your EK staff out and m1 spam"

[thorn cedar]

its a test, genius, it infers possibility by causality

[nocturne dust]

I thought Psyker was supposed to be big brain chat, but all I see is blunts

[jaunty tiger]

that being said

[nocturne dust]

Even the mirror shows a blunt because I'm part of this 😭

[jaunty tiger]

it seems reliable (enough) to me with light spam but idk

[bitter escarp]

Rename to ogryn chat

[thorn cedar]

youre not making a 100% top to bottom meta build you are only attempting to replicate results for a single outcome

[nocturne dust]

Right, I should mention it expires with Shred Illisi on heavy spam

[clear heath]

but why

[thorn cedar]

jesus christ lmao

[nocturne dust]

But the fact it does at all

on a weapon blessing nobody runs

is a problem

This is not a reliable movespeed buff

[bitter escarp]

So it doesn't work on an Uncanny/Slaughterer Illisi, does Psyker run other melee weapons?

[thorn cedar]

obviously not

[patent mango]

funny greatsword

[bitter escarp]

Fuck sake

[clear heath]

i mean again, just throw an assail

[thorn cedar]

or shoot your funny fast laser gun

[patent mango]

im throwing a smite

[nocturne dust]

FGS, which it expires on, and Deimos, which it assumably expires on because it's similar to Illisi

[thorn cedar]

man smite used to crit

[jaunty tiger]

again, the illisi was a suggestion back here #psyker-class message

[thorn cedar]

good times

[jaunty tiger]

look

im not agreeing

[nocturne dust]

Knife and Dueling Sword would probably be fine

[jaunty tiger]

genuinely

[thorn cedar]

also headshotted too

[jaunty tiger]

im just saying

attacking made up points is not really necessary

[nocturne dust]

but look, if the only melee weapons that can consistently crit enough to upkeep mettle are the 2 most overpowered melee weapons in the game

maybe mettle isn't consistent

[thorn cedar]

man if only we could instantly activate shred

[jaunty tiger]

combat axe seems reliable enough to me

testing it

[thorn cedar]

like imagine getting 20% crit chance off a single ability press

[nocturne dust]

Assail doesn't have shred either

[thorn cedar]

sure would be crazy

[nocturne dust]

Imagine it expiring and you being forced to wait 10 seconds

[fringe garden]

Or 20% crit chance from a single dodge

[nocturne dust]

during which

mettle expires

[nocturne dust]

Do you stick shred and riposte on Illisi?

[fringe garden]

Oh no, gross

[nocturne dust]

Exactly

[fringe garden]

I do on the FGS, though lol

[bitter escarp]

Moximal finesse

[nocturne dust]

That's fair, most people prefer wrath tho

[radiant ice]

This is why knife Psyker is the new meta

[patent mango]

shred riposte funny memes

[nocturne dust]

I would test shred riposte

but I can't

[patent mango]

idk how people deal with knife psyker

[nocturne dust]

😭

[patent mango]

that seems so uh not fun

[jaunty tiger]

my counterargument by the way

is that

[fringe garden]

Nah, easy to just keep peril maxed with the occasional warp slash and use warp splitting

[jaunty tiger]

from what i can tell

[fringe garden]

40% crit is very nice with DD

[patent mango]

clearly we need true aim to proc on melee too

[tired estuary]

Incorrect, knife psyker is tight af

[fringe garden]

well, more than 40% overall, obviously

[jaunty tiger]

caxe mettle uptime works ok so its not really as narrow of a weapon set as you're making it out to be

plus

your ranged weapon can maintain it quite easily

[bitter escarp]

Knife also has inherent crit baked in

[nocturne dust]

I will literally test caxe right now

I should be eating

but science

[main wyvern]

If the weapon cant do warp stuff I don't want to use it

[fringe garden]

That's the spirit

[nocturne dust]

[bitter escarp]

Knife can do warp stuff in psyker hands

[nocturne dust]

Bruh

[bitter escarp]

Hold down infinite push attack

[nocturne dust]

Caxe is the worst offender

It expired so quickly

lmao

[jaunty tiger]

eh?

[clear heath]

how much crit do you have btw?

[jaunty tiger]

let me record

[nocturne dust]

Couldn't even get 3 stacks of mettle the first try

[clear heath]

dead are you doing heavies again?

[nocturne dust]

no

[thorn cedar]

are vets also warp entities then

[jaunty tiger]

i hope yo u are not doing heavies

[nocturne dust]

just lights

[jaunty tiger]

thank fuck

[bitter escarp]

If they jog enough yes

[nocturne dust]

It is real bad

[radiant frigate]

does knife have shred

[nocturne dust]

It expires so much

[bitter escarp]

Cardio is magic we know this

[jaunty tiger]

oh wait

no wonder

this random caxe i found has shred on it

[clear heath]

lmao

[nocturne dust]

[jaunty tiger]

thats prolly why its so consistent

[nocturne dust]

I'm not using shred

[bitter escarp]

Lmao

[radiant frigate]

brumentumless caxe when

[radiant ice]

The real issue witht he knife is that atm it's just a worse duelling sword XD

[bitter escarp]

New havoc meta

[nocturne dust]

I'm betting Shred Caxe will be worse than shred FGS/Illisi tho

[jaunty tiger]

well

i already made the video anyway

so enjoy it

[radiant frigate]

knife is like duelling sword if duelling sword sucked

[thorn cedar]

was balanced

[nocturne dust]

right but like

[tired estuary]

*if duelling sword was fun

[nocturne dust]

try to get through one boss and it will expire at least once

because crits are random

and randomness can screw you over

[jaunty tiger]

tbh

im surprised

that fgs

cant maintain it with shred

let me try it

[radiant frigate]

reconlas to the rescue!

[patent mango]

can it raelly not?

are you guys using riposte

[nocturne dust]

That's the real crux of the issue

[jaunty tiger]

idk he says it cant

[tired estuary]

Knife is still busted but its dmg ceiling isn't as vile as ds

[jaunty tiger]

so im gonna try it

[nocturne dust]

I was using shred for testing

[patent mango]

get riposte 5% aura 5% node

[radiant frigate]

idk knife seems to be considerably worse into armor

[patent mango]

knife is defo one of the weapons

[nocturne dust]

Using FGS with shred on a crit/meleeker build with attack speed node at 37.5% crit, it failed to maintain mettle while spamming into a boss

[radiant frigate]

unless bleed uncanny shenanigans

[nocturne dust]

multiple times

[patent mango]

joever

[nocturne dust]

Pretty consistently about once per boss

but it was okay I think once out of 5 tries

[radiant frigate]

but perhaps it is user error

[nocturne dust]

😭

[bitter escarp]

Honestly just delete DS4

[nocturne dust]

No man, I can't

People keep defending mettle for no good reason

[radiant frigate]

I'm talking about knife

not crit

[nocturne dust]

oh okay

https://tenor.com/view/ocean-park-roy-chiken-chicken-rooster-gif-15719325597742543552

[radiant frigate]

and how i think knife sucks ass

[jaunty tiger]

seems fine to me with l1 l2 block cancel

[nocturne dust]

I'm just waiting for the next person to tell me I'm stupid and wrong

[jaunty tiger]

which is what you use in a horde no?

[radiant ice]

You're stupid and wrong

You've missed the obvious advantage of mettle

It unlocks Perfect Timing

[fiery stratus]

fu

[radiant frigate]

god damnit

[fiery stratus]

woop

[radiant frigate]

i was about to say that

[nocturne dust]

are you using mk8

[jaunty tiger]

yes

why wouldnt i

[nocturne dust]

I specified mk6

[jaunty tiger]

its cooler

force push into stab

[nocturne dust]

mk6 is coolest

[radiant frigate]

somejuan said mk 8 is faster

true and real? or false and fake?

[nocturne dust]

I'ma try mk8 now I guess

but I'll probably mess it up

I suck at combos

[jaunty tiger]

ok

i tried it on mk6

and it still stays up

im guessing the mk6 horde combo is l1 l2 l3 h1

[radiant frigate]

i just like how fgs goes slice slice

[jaunty tiger]

if im wrong then fuck you that's what i did

[patent mango]

yea

[strong gulch]

true. I've been saying I wish Mettle and Perfect Timing were switched on the talent tree.

[nocturne dust]

I was using heavy spam

which is my main point

[bitter escarp]

Bruh

[nocturne dust]

It should be maintainable with such

[jaunty tiger]

but why would you heavy spam

i dont think that is a realistic scenario

[radiant frigate]

for murder

[nocturne dust]

mk6 is good with heavy spam? It also gives leeway for actual combat where you wouldn't be able to just spam

just spamming isn't realistic either

[bitter escarp]

Also, question, does multiple crits in the same swing proc only one instance of Mettle?

[jaunty tiger]

idk i usually take out the fgs to kill a shitton of shitty horde enemies

[nocturne dust]

good question

[jaunty tiger]

if not its to poke a crusher in the eye

[radiant frigate]

are you gonna lightspam a crusher pack to death

[nocturne dust]

seems to

[bitter escarp]

Because that might hella skew the results

[nocturne dust]

Vraks just goes straight to 3

[jaunty tiger]

no but if you consider the amount of time you spend fighting hordes vs fighting 20 crusher

i would say hordes take the lion's share of scenarios

and in the 20 crusher scenario

usually you dont go around killing them 1 at a time

[nocturne dust]

this is because you use the inferior mk8

mk8 moment

[bitter escarp]

Sorry, clarify please, Vraks?

[radiant frigate]

are you killing multiple crushers in one swing then

[nocturne dust]

Vraks Infantry Autogun

[radiant frigate]

infantry autogun

[bitter escarp]

Fuck sake this fucking rename...

[nocturne dust]

Ex-columnus 😔

[radiant frigate]

high velocity high frequency lead dispenser device

[bitter escarp]

Was like, the single shot Headhunter?

[jaunty tiger]

anyway i think i made my point in regards to that

[nocturne dust]

Anyway, if mettle can't be maintained with heavy spam and shred, I think it's fair to say mettle isn't consistent

[radiant frigate]

it was also the 3 round burst headhunter

[bitter escarp]

Ah yes the headhunter crit string abuse mark

[nocturne dust]

because my whole argument was that mettle doesn't work for running between targets

and if you lose mettle even without running between targets....

😭

[radiant frigate]

i fink mettle is neat for refreshing toughness with reconlas and iag

[nocturne dust]

lol that's true

[radiant frigate]

and going zippy sometimes

as a treat

[nocturne dust]

but the original argument was meleeker's speed buffs and how consistent they are

which is why I was testing melees

[radiant frigate]

which they are not at all

sg speed is like xd

[bitter escarp]

Meleeker on FGS usually has to run a laspistol or something no?

[nocturne dust]

That's what I said but nobody believed me 😔

[radiant frigate]

doesn't even linger

[jaunty tiger]

TBH

even with heavy spam

its not that bad

[nocturne dust]

Not really? I run vraks

[jaunty tiger]

in terms of uptime

it falls off occasionally

[nocturne dust]

Why do you need to run laspistol?

[bitter escarp]

Fast

[jaunty tiger]

but it doesnt take long to come back

[patent mango]

i run bistol

[nocturne dust]

which is a problem

[bitter escarp]

I like being able to nyoom

[radiant frigate]

i run reconlas because more ammo more burn more mettle more time to melee

[nocturne dust]

[radiant ice]

@nocturne dust Just tried the Deimos heavy chain on a Crusher

https://tenor.com/view/always-sunny-frank-oh-my-god-i-get-it-gif-22328165

[jaunty tiger]

i mean

is it really

us tack it back up again pretty quickly

[nocturne dust]

Best part of Deimos really

[jaunty tiger]

and it stays on more than it doesnt

[nocturne dust]

telling Crushers to sit down

[jaunty tiger]

and i still maintain that

[radiant frigate]

vraks iag and reconlas aren't much slower than laspistol

[jaunty tiger]

this is hardly the majority of your fgs use

compared to micning hordes

[nocturne dust]

Right, but now try moving between more scattered groups and suddenly it becomes more and more of a problem

[jaunty tiger]

i was moving between enemies

well

[nocturne dust]

It gets worse the farther away enemies are

[jaunty tiger]

as much as you could in the psykarium spawns

[nocturne dust]

Not really?

[bitter escarp]

Yeah might bring out the old Columnus again for a red hot go, was annoyed because I haven't got around to rerolling it and I hate the wield animation for quick drawing on bonker

[nocturne dust]

If you can dodge and be in the next group, that's not really a 'next group'

[bitter escarp]

Ok I reckon if we want to really test this we gotta define the parameters

[jaunty tiger]

i know its not in the vid

but i did a full lap

around all the enemies on psyk

[nocturne dust]

sure, but psyk enemies are very close together

like what do you mean

you can dodge between groups and immediately start hitting the next group

[clear heath]

I don't really see enemies scattered that much unless it's on really low density conditions like lights out or something

[patent mango]

low density missions are scary

[jaunty tiger]

ea was about to say that

[nocturne dust]

I mean it's not that scattered

If you just work on the outside of the Psykh circle

[jaunty tiger]

me being knee deep in shit is more common

[clear heath]

enemies also kinda walk towards you

[nocturne dust]

Mettle's uptime issues should become more apparent

[bitter escarp]

Mettle isn't going to let you run from one encounter to another to the next

But it's up whenever you have shit to hit

[clear heath]

okay but like actually just throw assails with true aim

[clear heath]

or whatever ranged crit option you have

[nocturne dust]

Eh

I mean

[clear heath]

you pretty much always run a finesse weapon on scriers anyways

[nocturne dust]

if I have to switch away from melee just to upkeep mettle, mettle isn't consistent

That's my stance

[bitter escarp]

Tap: deal damage equal to power to target creature. If creature dies, untap.

[nocturne dust]

Anyway, I'ma go eat

[clear heath]

okay in the context of gapclosing on enemies though, do you not just shoot things while gapclosing? or do you just twiddle your thumbs?

[nocturne dust]

Depends

[clear heath]

like why are we assuming you're forced to do literally nothing while approaching enemies?

[nocturne dust]

Normally I spam assail but like

This is still a problem, no?

[clear heath]

is this a real scenario or are you arbitrarily restricting yourself to not being allowed to shoot?

[nocturne dust]

It constrains meleeker to being the one-trick pony. Meleeker is Assailker is Gunker.

[clear heath]

okay then use a gun

[nocturne dust]

I mean it is a real scenario

Mettle drops in actual combat

In fact, it drops much more easily much more often

[clear heath]

use surge staff like i do then if not gunker

[nocturne dust]

because enemies aren't going to be consistently in front of you

and saying 'just swap to assail/gun' isn't always viable. Walls exist.

[jaunty tiger]

tbh

i think its more unrealistic to say you cant engage and attack a target for long periods of time

in high havoc

or even auric

[nocturne dust]

It's not long periods tho

Not even close to long periods.

[nocturne dust]

It's 4 seconds of no crit. Not 4 seconds of no attack.

[clear heath]

i'm really trying to imagine a situation where you need movespeed to reach something quickly, but also there isn't a threat you should be shooting

like this seems like an oxymoron

nothing to shoot but you need to get to the enemy

how

[mossy oyster]

Higui does true aim man stopper kantrael fire shot work

[nocturne dust]

That's a weird situation you're trying to imagine

[mossy oyster]

soulblaze meme on top of kantrael fire slug

[nocturne dust]

I dunno why you're trying to imagine it

Anyway, I'ma really go eat

[jovial juniper]

Sort of yes
Surety with 10 reload perk

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/man-running-man-running-running-away-leaving-gif-23989416

[clear heath]

like the reason to need movespeed is "there's an enemy i need to get to"
the issue with using a gun to proc mettle is just "there is no enemy to shoot around me"
Seems like there isn't a situation with an actual problem

if you can't shoot something, you also don't need the movespeed

[quick tulip]

movespeed? can I get more movespeed please? I'd like more movespeed

sorry I saw movespeed and got excited

DD go brrrrr

[thorn cedar]

or away from, as the case may be

[hearty wolf]

I think that's the wrong way to think of move speed, especially in the context of mettle. (If I'm understanding the point you're trying to make)

It's a an extra bonus on top of what it already does.

Move speed is useful for disengagement and well. Moving. And sometimes you need to move quicky to account for positioning errors or difficult situations the director puts you in.

For example, the run I just lost, I was using chorus to move my team along to the next objective - the psyker lagged behind and couldn't make it to us before being melted by ragers. The utility of move speed there could have been the difference between living or dying (it wasn't, because I know this psyker had mettle, the point I'm making is that it could have been. So I guess the value of move speed is really hard to determine, and it's got diminishing returns the more stamina and move speed you have)

[clear heath]

then you can still shoot that guy and get mettle
I fail to see a situation where my response of "just stack mettle with your gun" doesn't apply to every situation where you need mettle

[hearty wolf]

Oh right

No no you right

I just read what you meant

[clear heath]

the only time you can't stack mettle is when there's nothing in your LoS, in which case, why the fuck does that matter?

what is this mythical situation?

[hearty wolf]

I was just confused with the quotes, I'm tired

No I do think you're right, it's pretty random to need movespeed otherwise.

Only situations I can imagine is something like

Mutant throws you off a ledge onto a lower platform

And to get back to team, you need to run around a wall with no enemies in sight

[clear heath]

yeah there's some situations where you just need it for positioning

[hearty wolf]

It's really niche though

[clear heath]

but the void's main point of all this is for shitting on meleeker and it's need for movespeed for gapclosing and not being able to
If we include those situations, this is now not unique to melee psyker. It's just everything

[thorn cedar]

his statement was that zealot was strictly faster

then it became "at all the times that matter"

[hearty wolf]

I need to read this to make sense of it, sec.

[clear heath]

void thinks movespeed is a massive issue if you want to melee on psyker

[thorn cedar]

then it was doubt regarding uptime and viability of mettle specifically and nothing else

which lets be real

even if the uptime for the movespeed sucked

youd still use it

because its ridiculous

[clear heath]

true

[thorn cedar]

but that's what he zeroed in on for whatever reason

[hearty wolf]

I don't understand Voids argument tbh

[clear heath]

but anyways headshotting 4 times with melee before using true aim to get a free crit is also a thing

[thorn cedar]

zealot is indeed the fastest in an empty room sprinting in one direction

[hearty wolf]

Maybe I'm just dumb

[thorn cedar]

but that's it

[hearty wolf]

My stance is

I like mettle

[thorn cedar]

i like to zoom

psyker has the most zoom

[nocturne dust]

Well, for one, the goal isn't always murder. Maybe there's an objective, or a trapped buddy, or you need to reposition before getting lit up by a dozen bombers and gunners. You can't always be looking at an enemy.

For two, you can't fire endlessly. Assail has a shard limit, guns have ammo and reloading. That isn't hard to avoid, but at the same time sometimes it's better to reload/wait than waste on the one poxwalker flailing around like one of those front-of-store inflatables.

[nocturne dust]

Massive? No

But it would be nice if it wasn't the way that it was

[clear heath]

this kinda isn't specific to melee though
Like why don't you complain about movespeed for vet, if all you want is to free netted people?

[nocturne dust]

Vet has toughness

That's how he gets through melee

[thorn cedar]

vet has movespeed aura to help teammates run into nets even faster

[nocturne dust]

Psyker has neither toughness or movespeed, and I think Psyker should have at least one

[thorn cedar]

im going to assume you mean gold toughness

[strong gulch]

Wasn't void's main thing that mettle's movespeed buff is consistent? From previous convos (between miltiple people), consistent was more or less understood to be always up. So if mettle drops sometime while performing the action (heavy spam on mk6 FGS), then mettle's movespeed buff isn't consistent.

[clear heath]

no but i mean, in your hypothetical, the goal is to save a netted person in a situation where you have nothing to shoot to gain mettle off of yes?
If there's nothing to shoot, there's nothing attacking you. Vet's toughness isn't actually relevant here

if there is an enemy, then problem is solved no?

[strong gulch]

But yeah there are other ways and scenarios to make use of mettle.

[nocturne dust]

You can't shoot while saving someone in a net, you can't attack while reviving

[clear heath]

but that's not a mettle issue

[nocturne dust]

It is because mettle's duration is so short

[clear heath]

why do you need a movespeed buff while reviving?

[nocturne dust]

You don't have time to do such things and keep mettle up

[clear heath]

you can't move while reviving

[nocturne dust]

And after that?

[haughty star]

push?

[clear heath]

shoot?

attack?

[nocturne dust]

You have to rebuild stacks is what I'm saying

[haughty star]

https://tenor.com/view/dodge-dodgeball-duck-dip-tips-gif-16899633

[nocturne dust]

That's the definition of inconsistent buff if it constantly goes down

It was the trouble with DD back when every stack suddenly just disappeared. Yeah, it's not super important, but man is it annoying

and I don't think there's a good reason to have it be annoying

[clear heath]

i mean, that's just psyker issue in general i guess. idk mettle builds up fast with a lot of weapons anyways

[nocturne dust]

I mean warp siphon isn't annoying

DD consistently gets less annoying with every change

[clear heath]

I considered DD targeting to be fine last patch and it's mostly better now

it's not full uptime but the bursts of speed are signifcant

getting toughness off them can come in handy too. actually a decent survival node

[nocturne dust]

I dunno I haven't bothered with the survival node for DD

oh wait I'm crazy, I'm thinking of EP

[clear heath]

no i mean the main node gives toughness on kill

[nocturne dust]

Eh, I find the replenishment way too inconsistent to be anything more than a novelty

[clear heath]

killing the marked thing has saved me a few times

[bitter escarp]

With DD I find it makes a difference if I actively try not to clap all the Dregs and Scabs in one FGS swing

If I kill one at a time the blue man stacks accumulate very quickly

[clear heath]

you do have to play around it but that's what makes it dynamic and interesting

[bitter escarp]

Because it hops to the next fella

[nocturne dust]

Yeah but I'm not cool like you. I don't bring meleeker to Havoc.

[clear heath]

sometimes it's jank though

[bitter escarp]

Yeah it can be, but at least it's same post code jank now

Used to be tzeentchian

[thorn cedar]

much better logic now

as to where itll go next

almost all my builds have perfectionist now and its not especially hard to maintain value out of it

only one build did for me before with reliability and that was deimos/laspee/assail which has basically zero downtime and a lot of strong, quick, and precise weapons

[zinc phoenix]

i just ran into a dude running 3 stam curio

[mental grail]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[thorn cedar]

hah! running. i get it.

[radiant ice]

I use that on my Zealot

[thorn cedar]

because of his stamina

shit illuminates are here

[radiant ice]

So close ;_;

Darktide experience since the Party Finder requirement:

https://tenor.com/view/roulette-game-gif-6892854051717800041

[ripe obsidian]

Rig the game.

Pick your own team

[split lance]

What mission

[radiant ice]

Oh I'm not hosting anymore XD

I am done with Party Finder hosting for the week XD

After I got demoted from 36 to 34

[radiant ice]

Oh also

[warm cloud]

tripping ballz as psyker

[split lance]

😈😈😈😈😈😈😈

[radiant ice]

AMD GPU spotted

[warm cloud]

yeah lol

[radiant ice]

Update your Windows

If on Win10, and it works now

[radiant ice]

Tried a few characters out in the range, thinking Mantis

[split lance]

I’m a Hawkeye main

[patent mango]

havoc 41 leaks

[radiant ice]

Not into superheros so have no idea who she is or if she's any good

[split lance]

Go Jeff. Be my heal slut

[radiant ice]

Isn't Mantis a healer and damage buffer?

[split lance]

Jeff is best

And super cute

I like Jeff

[radiant ice]

But do you want Jeff to be your slut?

That sounds arrestable

[split lance]

I want you to be my slut

[bold cape]

sutavoo left
so its just me
if you two and another wanna run havoc whenever yall are done eating @split lance @lethal lagoon

[split lance]

I’m down. Gonna do a smol. Tiny workout

Might take forearm pics for 15 min after tho like I did last time

Don’t react me. You asked for em

[strong gulch]

Did you guy get 40?

*guys

[nocturne dust]

They're a hivemind now, no need for correction

[radiant ice]

I am still trying for it

[strong gulch]

gotcha

[bold cape]

i think we just did 38

[radiant ice]

Room for another? XD

[split lance]

2 wins is 40 completed

[bold cape]

yea sutavoo dropped so you can join us

[strong gulch]

Also, I mean't guys in y'all way.

[bold cape]

im literally crying watching tga rn

witcher 4 made me scream like 10 times

[radiant ice]

tga?

[bold cape]

game awards

[radiant ice]

Oh

Never knew Witcher 4 existed

I watched the TV show and it was pretty bad after the first season

Haven't played the games XD

[bold cape]

witcher show is dogshit

witcher 3 is my favorite game of all time

[radiant ice]

The first season was pretty good

[bold cape]

the entire trilogy of games are really good but tw3 is goat

[radiant ice]

Also, feel free to invite with my code ^

[nocturne dust]

They're taking a break rn

[radiant ice]

Doesn't matter, got invite

And now I can alt tab without worrying about missing it XD

[split lance]

I’m not even at my pc

[split lance]

Todays the day ur going to find out im not good at this game

[bold cape]

tren keeps denying us true survivor

[radiant ice]

I believe that

[nocturne dust]

Remember, remember, the Tren of December

[haughty star]

Warp siphon is alot of investment for not a ton of worth albeit that hurts less with the ER change at least in surges case

[radiant ice]

How tf can you even read that with it clipping off the screen and all

[nocturne dust]

Wat

Wat kinda take is this

[nocturne dust]

Easily

[radiant ice]

Scoreboards are anti fun

[nocturne dust]

No, I like optimizing my builds

so I like scoreboards, because they help tell me if my optimization is working

Optimization is fun

<-- Factorio nerd

[radiant ice]

I wanna try Factorio again

I remember trying it wayyy back, like first purchasable version

But not since

Love Foundry though and my Kiwi robots

[split lance]

:(

[split lance]

:(

I thought we had something special

[nocturne dust]

wow tren

already moving onto someone new?

[radiant ice]

You haven't even played Rivals with me yet

That's like e-dating second base right?

[split lance]

We will

[split lance]

Idk

[nocturne dust]

No, it's PvP

0/10

[split lance]

Who’s was before?

[nocturne dust]

Me >:(

[split lance]

You never loved me

[nocturne dust]

That's true, I only love myself

[bold cape]

so many bangers in tga but also so much gacha slop holy
like 10 of them

[split lance]

I hate myself

[nocturne dust]

Me playing that gacha slop

https://tenor.com/view/side-eye-suspicious-puppet-gif-2729624127692369191

[lethal lagoon]

Is that why you are always so down?

[nocturne dust]

I agree though that gachas generally don't deserve any awards

[split lance]

Exactly

[bold cape]

i just hate that games like that make so much money

literally casinos

targeted at teens

[radiant ice]

They should be made to try a minimum of 10 times and spin a wheel on which company gets the reward

[nocturne dust]

Yeh, definitely gambling and should be regulated

[lethal lagoon]

regulate deez nuts

[nocturne dust]

I get by without spending money on them

[radiant ice]

Just don't play and support them at all tf?

XD

[nocturne dust]

But I liek them

Some of them have good stories.

[lethal lagoon]

You playing the game encourages others to spend money.

[radiant ice]

Then stop whining about them cause you are part of the problem

[nocturne dust]

Most suck in terms of gameplay though.

[lethal lagoon]

Are you ready?

[bold cape]

my ex dropped thousands on genshin
and got depressed whenever she didnt get a character and i said no when she asked me for more money lmao

[nocturne dust]

I wasn't whining though 😭

[bold cape]

void didnt do anything

but how dare you play gacha games >:(

[trim garnet]

only gacha ive ever actually enjoyed the gameplay of was pgr

[radiant ice]

(We do a little trolling)

[trim garnet]

unsurprisingly also the only one i ever played for more than an hour

[radiant ice]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-fantasy-kairos-fateweaver-warhammer3-tzeentch-gif-26150136

[trim garnet]

[nocturne dust]

I don't think I can name a gacha I've enjoyed

gameplay wise

[trim garnet]

i can name EXACTLY one

[radiant ice]

I just go to the casino and blow my money on blackjack and cocaine like a real adult

[trim garnet]

real

[bold cape]

so real

[nocturne dust]

Path to Nowhere is one I enjoy for the story

[bold cape]

some of them are pretty neat story or character wise
but the gameplay and getting characters and stuff is just so stale

[nocturne dust]

Bro I recently went to Las Vegas for the first time and was like 'this is it?' 😭

I don't understand the appeal

[bold cape]

its like
mm yes would you rather spend $20 for an awesome game you'll remember forever or $20000 to max out a team of pngs in a gacha game

[radiant ice]

I know right, it's pretty anticlimatic

I like playing poker with friends

But casinos are rough and smell of pee

Especially near the slot machines

[bold cape]

you wanna gamble like a chad
play balatro
discard the wife and kids for a full house

[nocturne dust]

Fair. I'm okay with Path to Nowhere because it's kind of tower-defensey, but I like tower defenses in general.

[radiant ice]

High card decks supremacy

[nocturne dust]

I wish more tower defense games were made that actually experimented with the genre.

[bold cape]

i like straights (im gay asf)

abandoned deck my beloved

[trim garnet]

ur so real for this

abandoned deck straights >>>>

[radiant ice]

Which one is that, the one without face cards?

[bold cape]

ong

[trim garnet]

yes

[bold cape]

yes

[radiant ice]

Haven't played since near launch XD

But I liked that one the most too

[bold cape]

still waiting for that HL3 announcement

its coming trust

[radiant ice]

Actually forgot I gave it another go in July

[split lance]

Yes

[bold cape]

i probably have like 300 hours on balatro mobile

im obsessed

whenever i die in darktide i load it up

[radiant ice]

I feel that

[bold cape]

oh god conan

i probably have more in ark if im being real

[radiant ice]

Ah yes

But Conan RP servers

[bold cape]

oh god

thats a thing?

[radiant ice]

A very big thing!

[bold cape]

im very afraid
considering the themes of the game

[radiant ice]

Many are modded to have full dice combat and are set in Forgotten Realms

[lethal lagoon]

[austere crest]

y'all, whats with all these auto quell mods coming out lately? Is reloading really that bad?

[bold cape]

anti finger pain or smth

[split lance]

[bold cape]

idk

[split lance]

vc 70

bbg

[radiant ice]

But there is also a lot of that, yes

[split lance]

pookie

beloved

[radiant ice]

You're good, it's 3:30am here XD

I don't wanna make that noise XD

[split lance]

that noise?

[bold cape]

ffxiv 2

[radiant ice]

My voice shouting at you for being bad

[nocturne dust]

just listen

[bold cape]

dw we'll yell at him for you

[nocturne dust]

That's what I do

[split lance]

[radiant ice]

I didn't really like FFXIV

[split lance]

[bold cape]

ffxiv wasnt my jam

i hate mmos tho

[split lance]

[radiant ice]

I have thousands of hours in SWTOR

[bold cape]

ffxiv just didnt feel like it was jamming mtx down my throat 24/7 and i liked it for that
gameplay wasnt my thing tho