psyker-class

[late sapphire]

Flakapace? I hardly even know a pace

[marble crater]

Okay, I thought you were at your desk again

[celest valve]

3 stamina curio feels so good on psyker

[ripe obsidian]

This is what I've been doing for curios. Same as my Auric stuff.

[zinc phoenix]

doubt

[marble crater]

It does feel really good

[zinc phoenix]

i maintain gunner is pointless

[modest patrol]

I try to have stamina increase and combat ability regen on all three

[ripe obsidian]

Gunners don't follow the rules. They have no audio or visual cue. They sneak up on me and bully me.

[zinc phoenix]

idk i feel like the system there is "you are fine and got behind cover" or "youre cooked"

the gunner resist doesnt change either state

[tall beacon]

which blessings should i get on the force greatsword... deflector seems cool AF

for havoc 40

[clear heath]

gunner res is nice for making an unreactable bullshit death into possibly reactable

[zinc phoenix]

because once they start doing damage its kinda gg

[clear heath]

there have been a couple times where it has saved me from dying

[ripe obsidian]

Sniper resist is probably useless in havoc, though.

[zinc phoenix]

definitely

[ripe obsidian]

I'll change that to CDR

[zinc phoenix]

yeah but like did it do more than just raw tough/hp?

[clear heath]

more than 7.5 hp? yeah

20% res perk is 25% more time to react before you die to a gunner.
It's significant, although you're right if you think the situation comes up less in havoc just due to playing around cover

[celest valve]

how good are you at maintaining 80%+ peril always with a melee weapon

[ripe obsidian]

Do you run 1 or 2?

[clear heath]

2

[late sapphire]

really, hp and toughness also lose value in havoc

combat ability regeneration keeps winning

[ripe obsidian]

I'm also thinking that toughness regen might be kinda eh in havoc. Current meta means you have bubble, book, and shout restoring toughness

And/or not getting hit

[patent mango]

4 bubble psykers

[ripe obsidian]

So what about these curio layouts?

[clear heath]

That's pretty much what i have

well i have a corruption res instead of the hp perk but it really doesn't matter

[ripe obsidian]

I mean, I'm winning the game with whatever curios, but I want to ~optimize~

[late sapphire]

the 3s or so bubble cooldown saved my ass once or twice

[modest patrol]

As my files verify and I look at my screengrabs - pretty sure I misspoke(miswrote) and had my staves mixed up- voidSTRIKE dump stats can include charge rate, not voidBLAST

[lean mural]

why the fuck does hadron sometimes change the max of some stats while empowering?

[marble crater]

I will try full health curios later in havoc

[late sapphire]

bad math

[late sapphire]

voidstrike? no never

dump blast radius 200%

[clear heath]

should've done the chant

[lean mural]

i figured it was a rounding error based on trying to empower a weapon you haven't mastered enough to unlock power 500

but that doesn't appear to correlate

[modest patrol]

I've only ever used the inferno really - I trust your judgement here

[late sapphire]

blast radius does nothing for you on voidstrike

[modest patrol]

Though I'm on a mission to get a good voidBLAST because I've been staring down cliffhanger for a while

[lean mural]

surely smite and shriek help more with that than voidblast does

[ripe obsidian]

How much health does havoc 40 actually cut? like 40%?

[celest valve]

btw did you know disrupt destiny makes you count as dodging ranged attacks apparently during the 2.5 seconds

[lean mural]

blast can easily kill them before they fall off

[late sapphire]

Well it might be recalculating maximums as it goes

[modest patrol]

Smite is a blitz I've never used - perhaps I should dip into it

[lean mural]

i guess. i don't suppose the chonky carcharodont has acknowledged this obvious bug

[late sapphire]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[ripe obsidian]

Thank you

[late sapphire]

They have fixed rounding errors 2 or 3 times

[clear heath]

-35% of your base hp, additive with other bonuses
So just a flat -52.5 for us

[late sapphire]

-35% according to this thingy

[lean mural]

it's good when not overused

particularly zealots like things to actually swing at them, and many other folks don't like how it lets them turn their brain off

the key is to abuse the fact that when you release the RMB charged smite before you max out your peril, it pushes things over

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, so I'll be at 160 as opposed to 170 by picking gunner resist over health. Seems fine.

[clear heath]

oh wait i misremembered

[near hinge]

Anyone down to play with a new player

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1042857061551190147

[clear heath]

sorry, it was -52.5 hp

[acoustic isle]

Should post that in the lfg group channels

[ripe obsidian]

Well, 153 instead of 168, then

Or something like that

[modest patrol]

I've also been stuck at a frustrating 37/40 on perilous focus - but for some reason I keep getting this strange bug that won't let me equip a gun and keeps putting a staff on my scrier's gaze build

[modest patrol]

I can in a moment, but Papa Doug is right 🙂

[celest valve]

ok voidstrike is fun

hadoken go pchew

[near hinge]

I clicked on the wrong page

[tall beacon]

yo, blessings for inferno staff?

[upper sun]

blaze away nexus

[clear heath]

If you're just getting the 10% from tree and 21% from curio, should be 144 i think

[ripe obsidian]

The thing says the 35% is applied before after, so 150 - 52.5 + 31.5 + 15, so yeah, 144.

"Health Reduction mutator apply after buffs (from curios for example), but only affect your base Health amount."

I have another 5% HP thingy, though, pushing me up another 7.5

[zinc phoenix]

math hard

[ripe obsidian]

Aren't you a software engineer? Didn't you have to take math classes in university?

I'm just a network engineer. I only need to know powers of 2.

[zinc phoenix]

you guys already in a game?

happy to murder away all the heretics

otherwise ima do penance missions in lowbie havoc

[lilac grotto]

is anyone else having an issue where they cant change marks on a duelling sword? im mastery 20 but for some reason its stuck on mk2

[marble crater]

"After buffs but only affect base health"? How is that different than "apply before buffs"?

[acoustic isle]

I just need 13 more havoc assists maaann

[clear heath]

yeah it actually doesn't matter. they all just add with each other

since the curio and tree hp bonuses are the same, you can just straight up add the percents

[marble crater]

[ripe obsidian]

@radiant ice I am curious if this saved you when you got mutant'd into fire:

No way to know, but maybe

[radiant ice]

We'll say yes XD

[errant pawn]

OK is anyone finding the weapon special being interruptible really annoying on the new great swords

I’ll be backing up backing up, ready to do my big slice and some poxwalker slaps my ass and there goes two charges

[ripe obsidian]

It seems like a pretty good talent. Just kind of a point tax when not going beacon

[errant pawn]

Like oops I stubbed my toe and now beloved hates me

[prime elk]

Block cancelling can help there

And you can also just light attack

[celest valve]

you're blocking during it, and before the block runs out i believe you can cancel into block while holding it

push attack doesn't spoil it either, so you can follow up with a push block into the move

[prime elk]

Not fool proof but decreases the window of vulnerability

[celest valve]

it is foolproof! I think. As long as you have enough stamina and/or peril.

[errant pawn]

I’m gonna have to try those suggestions because it’s happened several times already.. it’s always the one that spawns behind you too lol

[prime elk]

Well you could still get hit in some brief transition periods

But should be much lower risk

[celest valve]

Special(considered blocking during it i think), hold block, pushattack

there are no transition periods

[clear heath]

i've gotten pretty used to making sure I won't be hit before i try but it's pretty annoying that it's a thing

[errant pawn]

I will try this

Side note- has anybody had much success with the big slice and Smite stunning as a combo? I didn’t get enough useable scenarios to test properly yesterday. As in you smite them briefly first to stop them in their track then big slice

[prime elk]

if that’s the case there’s a brief window when you’re sending out the light attack but it should all be very safe

[errant pawn]

that’s the problem with having good teammates^^

[celest valve]

after the pushblock ya

[clear heath]

never bothered to do that personally

i mean it probably works but usually i just slice

[celest valve]

as in the electrocute? because it doesn't work.

[errant pawn]

Sorry I realize I was unclear—

[celest valve]

The warp slice on the new greatsword does not scale with anything on your weapon and it's not considered a heavy melee either.

[clear heath]

oh i thought they meant just stunning to line up the attack safely

[errant pawn]

Yeah that

[celest valve]

oh

yeah that works smite is good for that

[clear heath]

yeah i never bother but i'm sure it works fine

[thorn cedar]

it does scale with perks, and if any of the blessings are relevant, those too

it's a warp attack

[errant pawn]

The timing of the combo, I was just wondering if anybody found it was a good combo in the 20 havocs.. you can make anything work in aurics or maels

[celest valve]

it doesn't(unless it was very recently hotfixed)

[thorn cedar]

but yea nothing with charged strike, which wouldnt matter anyway since it already stuns

[clear heath]

Also have you guys ever noticed the special projectile having more stagger than the sword itself if you're doing an uncharged light? kinda silly that you'd want to miss with the blade

it matters for ragers specifically

also the melee part would do a lot less damage to armor if doing a light attack, due to just being bad against armor on lights

uncharged special has wild stagger though.
Still need to check if this works on havoc with the increased stagger res
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1315913789044035604/fgs_ragers.mp4?ex=6759cc77&is=67587af7&hm=c1fa4a1f6afc5426946311c6b4458b67c572411dddc3a170e0e52f34a19d2995&

special -> stab on mk6 is so nice

[celest valve]

still like the faster mk8

[patent mango]

uncharged slash does smites job better than smite

[hearty dagger]

fgs my beloved

[prime elk]

Not true, you can’t just hold down two buttons and tickle the map to death

[marble crater]

Friendship with smite ended, now uncharged slash is my new best friend

[echo root]

Mk6 supremacy

[prime elk]

Jokes aside the slash is great

[thorn cedar]

meh, i use both

https://www.twitch.tv/exploitstv/clip/GentlePeppyBeefCorgiDerp-o1OeCR0R8qE8diDw

just eight reapers racking their machine guns at the same time

comparing their barrel lengths

[celest valve]

tbf the proper ep smyker build doesn't tickle the map to death it annihilates the map

[errant pawn]

I like the mark 6 too. Kills everything so fast

[split lance]

But can I one shot a lot

[near wyvern]

Can confirm. Can I link it chat?

[errant pawn]

Do!

I want to try new things

[near wyvern]

Oldie but goodie. Still possible with a bit different talents (even easier to get)

https://youtu.be/yrOmLUfNMw4

[prime elk]

True

[jovial juniper]

Heh funny infinite smite

[near wyvern]

This one is for Auric Damnation, I have a havoc version as well but I will upload it once I do some more 35+ with inferno and trauma as well

[haughty star]

Mk8 is more feasible imo. 6 too slow

[errant pawn]

Try it with disrupt destiny

[patent mango]

mk6 is jolly

[clear heath]

i've never felt like mk6 is slow but i use the aspd node majority of the time

[haughty star]

I've done both but that just makes the 8 still faster anyway lol

[errant pawn]

It’s jolly good fun running around with a mark six as fast as a duelling sword

[near wyvern]

Yeah that ain't true

Duelling sword has a lot more sprint speed

[lean mural]

video has knife and electro staff

you think it'd work with bigsword?

[haughty star]

6 is slower swing than deimos and movement speed I'm p sure

[errant pawn]

I’m talking about right after you get a DD stack, you go pretty fast…

[wispy oyster]

does cloud radius on inferno staff work on primary fire

[near wyvern]

Yes, it does but it raises the question if why to use a big sword when you use EP smite to obliterate the horde

[haughty star]

Yes but you'd go faster with a duelling sword so fundamentally not true

[errant pawn]

Obviously we’re going apples to apples duelling sword is going to be faster with DD too. But DD great sword compared to base dueling sword… its pretty fast. The point is the greater doesn’t have to be slow and can feel pretty satisfying switching off from the duelling sword if specced right

[near wyvern]

I use knife because all I need for that build is mobility and uncanny strike

[acoustic isle]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[lean mural]

i like bigsword, is really the only reason. and i have it spec'd for carapace/unyielding

[acoustic isle]

I will always love smite

[near wyvern]

If you really really like big sword, spec into assail weave and left side of DD

[patent mango]

i just want charged strike to be good so i dont feel like im taking smite just for cdr (which i absolutely am)

[clear heath]

me taking smite only to never use it

[patent mango]

basically

[near wyvern]

Yeah I did that to get my True Survivor as well (already had a bubble psyker in the team)

[acoustic isle]

Welp it's time to see if i cant get true survivor this week before reset

[near wyvern]

LMB quick tap on poxbursters. Same as push but don't have to wait for them to get close.

[thorn cedar]

yea you still do want to be using smite

there's some real handy shit that only it can do for you

otherwise just take BB for KF or w/e

[clear heath]

i zap them with surge staff

[thorn cedar]

it's safer and easier than surge

[near wyvern]

Takes two zaps usually to throw them

[clear heath]

Can't
Malefic Momentum build

[patent mango]

what are the handy things it does

[haughty star]

I've been doing this and call it my temu zealot lol

[thorn cedar]

honestly ill just hear one of the bozos beeping and send out a right click until it stops

otherwise if its a clear path between me and it i wait and toss out a single casual left click

[clear heath]

I did smite like twice in my true survivor run when a crusher pack went on my team in a somewhat small room a couple times

[near wyvern]

Quick LMB tap will:

• push back a poxburster
• stop a running / leaping dog
• interrupt netter/flamer/bomber and force them to "reload" or "gather themselves" animation

[clear heath]

aside from that i just use the staff

[thorn cedar]

also interrupts ragers mid-combo but not as instant

only instant if you release as soon as it hits

[acoustic isle]

The utility of pushing and insta detonating bursters alone gives smite so much use

[near wyvern]

Go Assails and take the warp unbound from gaze. You will slash so much more with malefic momentum.

[lean mural]

so honestly really everything the wall shield does except stop muties

[patent mango]

idk ig i could remember smite exists for poxbursters

since push is sometimes unreliable

[haughty star]

Its not a huge buff and with how strong the fgs is i found it unintuitive to weave.

[near wyvern]

Yes. It will stop mutants as well but you have to channel for a couple seconds for that so not a quick thing to pull in the middle of things.

[patent mango]

idk i dont really find myself wanting to switch off fgs

[haughty star]

Bb with kf makes the recon actually notably boss worthy too so that's nice

[patent mango]

not like i wanted to switch off deimos before fgs either

[clear heath]

Before havoc update came out, i would've thought this as a melee+staff build was cursed as hell
But this did well enough for my true survivor run

[lean mural]

does "weave" mean quick-swapping between melee and assail to proc the shit out of malefic momentum

[clear heath]

no scriers no assail melee build

[tulip kettle]

yes

thats what weaving is

[near wyvern]

You don't switch off. You swap to Assail, throw 2 quell cancelled LMB or 1 if you don't want to learn the mechanics and go back to FGS in no time.

[tulip kettle]

throwing in a few assails between melee attacks as they track your point of aim

[near wyvern]

Assail also staggers ragers so makes easy to slap them with FGS

[haughty star]

Plus staying in scriers pretty much indefinitely outclasses weaving anyway

[lean mural]

i thought they stopped tracking entirely when you switch away

[patent mango]

i think they should do my suggestion of having it be 1 massive assail shard as an extra assail augment talent that'd be funny (instead of 10 smol ones)

[haughty star]

Imo

[thorn cedar]

only when you look away

[tulip kettle]

what if

this massive assail shard

highlighted the enemies head?

[near wyvern]

Yes, you basically throw 1-2 LMB Assails here and there to keep peril & malefic momentum up

[tulip kettle]

and took a couple seconds to charge

[errant pawn]

Assail staff like siennas rapid fire one

[tulip kettle]

maybe it could burst their brain at the end?

[errant pawn]

Can’t remember the name of the one that she holds the arrows

[near wyvern]

And you stagger a lot with it, functioning as a good opener

[lean mural]

run unstable on sword to benefit from the high peril, or nah? it likes wrath but it's not like it needs it especially if you also take warp splitting

[near wyvern]

Unstable Power + Shred yes

[tulip kettle]

i personally havent found a reason not to run unstable with assail SG build but im not pygex

[near wyvern]

You stack that with warp rider as well

[lean mural]

yeah as far as i can tell warp rider is mandatory on any build

[near wyvern]

Note: Unstable Power damage bonus stacks multiplicatively with other bonuses

[clear heath]

unstable + warp splitting is enough for havoc
wrath not necessary if you keep peril up

but that is more effort than just using wrath

[near wyvern]

We ain't talking about havoc 35+ here. Havoc 35+ is a duelling sword town.

[tulip kettle]

but why wrath over shred, or shred over wrath?

[haughty star]

The main purpose of this build is to negate the need to assail for mm by staying in scriers (or its effects) indefinitely and it works pretty well for that. I just use recon for anything the fgs lacks.

[tulip kettle]

what are the cases for each? crits dont seem great on GS

[clear heath]

I am. Ran it in havoc and hitmass increases at 35 didn't feel like a huge problem

but peril needs to be kept up

[haughty star]

Can't really balance assailing and scriers together very well without pegging out. I'd rather stay in scriers and keep the buffs from that than have the 24 percent from mm that I have to work for

[near wyvern]

Why would you do FGS over trauma or purga in havoc 35+?

[tulip kettle]

another i dont understand

[lean mural]

scrier's isn't always up, though

[tulip kettle]

i have only reached havoc 25 playing with randoms so far. in my experience trauma will get me killed

[haughty star]

With this build, it pretty much is

[tulip kettle]

why is it considered meta at highest tier havoc? bearing in mind i must have 500 hrs into blaze trauma alone by now

[near wyvern]

You don't need to work for the mm, and you don't need infinite gaze. It will be back up before you know it and MM stacks nicely with gaze + DD

[radiant frigate]

it be looking kinda cursed but i might nab it

[patent mango]

havoc is so over

[errant pawn]

Not talking about havoc but have you tried Scryers plus warp charges? The uptime can get pretty nutty

[haughty star]

The buff from gaze is larger than the buff from mm

[near wyvern]

Empyric Resolve is mandatory for high havocs

[clear heath]

because it's fun mainly
It's a popular enough weapon that people will try, and i'd like to point out that it does enough
It will absolutely do less than a trauma or inferno user who's playing well though

[near wyvern]

Yes but I have both running

[lean mural]

i'm trying to maintain absolute max uptime to keep shredding with the gs

[patent mango]

idk man if i cant use fgs my reason to play havoc is entirely gone

[haughty star]

Not for long lol

[clear heath]

If you want to play optimally, you absolutely should just use dueling sword with staff spamming

[near wyvern]

As long as the horde lasts. Battle Mediation is a nice friend

[radiant frigate]

finally get big sword
not good for the new content
why live

[thorn cedar]

i use it anyway

[patent mango]

i think the content isnt good enough for it

[thorn cedar]

fuck em

[near wyvern]

And it deals a shit thon of damage once you hit 100% peril and unleash the rest of your shard stacks

[radiant frigate]

big true

[near wyvern]

With full MM and full gaze stacks

[clear heath]

yeah my main motivation to push havoc at all is just to test the limits of non-scriers fgs

[errant pawn]

Part of me wants to get into higher end havoc and really optimize the shit out of everything… the bigger part of me is just plain old enjoying big sword in regular auric maels

[haughty star]

Havoc isn't even fun imo.

[patent mango]

its true

[haughty star]

Its just auric that forces you into specific builds

Because gunner spam.

[errant pawn]

I’ve only played a handful… the gunner spam is real

[thorn cedar]

people said that about aurics too lmao

[haughty star]

Probably the most boring way they could've upped the difficulty

[clear heath]

surely after people settle in havoc 40 for a few hundred hours, the meta will shift to being closer to auric again

[patent mango]

surely

[clear heath]

people will just get better at dodging and using cover

[patent mango]

dodge the nuclear bomb rounds

[tulip kettle]

right but that doesnt really answer the question im having i guess. I love empyric resolve. i love trauma. but in havoc trauma gets me killed all the time because i dont crit for 0.8 secs then get downed by a shooter in the 0.2 sec i dont have empathic up

[errant pawn]

Or shield psykers will gain supremacy

Lol

[near wyvern]

In short, people will argue if toughness or health curios are better, they are both shit. You get hit twice and you die no matter what you equip.

Bubble is mandatory if you are the only Psyker. Defensive things in general are more valuable than offensive things because your defensive stats are non existent.

Psykinetic's Aura and Empyric Resolve are must picks, and if you are running something other than Inferno / Trauma / Electro (EP Smite) you are trolling your team.

[patent mango]

they already did

[clear heath]

then stand in a bubble or manually dodge/take cover

[near wyvern]

Bubble up.

[tulip kettle]

yeah this is it i guess, i ran bubble trauma

but like i say all it takes is EE not proccing when youre not bubbled and you just die

wheras with crit spamming on EK i get 100% EE uptime and dont die

[haughty star]

Yes that is what your rinse and repeat gunker build does lol

This is just fun becaud3 it's different

[thorn cedar]

dont think of the enemy shooters as the disposable PvE trash fodder that theyve been for a while now

[haughty star]

And near infinite scriers is cool in it's own right

[thorn cedar]

treat them the same way you treat a squad of level 100's in Battlefield

[radiant ice]

I like Havoc and think most builds are viable if played properly

Just same work better than others due to their nature of having crutches

Or good anti-gunner tools while they are overtuned

[errant pawn]

25 and under?

[radiant ice]

35+

[tulip kettle]

idk i dont think its "crutches" there was a video on fp of reddit yesterday

[clear heath]

yeah i do think we'll get less reliant on anti shooter shit once we settle in havoc for a lot longer

[tulip kettle]

a psyker who is full hp and tough goes down in 0.22 seconds

to one normal shooter

[errant pawn]

You would have to have a ridiculously good team to make anything work but I’ll believe you

[tulip kettle]

that is faster than human reaction + ping

its not a skill issue to die like that when they spawn behind you an insta down you

[near wyvern]

There is a reason the maps are filled with boxes (that you didn't appreciate before)

[clear heath]

i mean i believe you but the answer to this isn't to react in those 0.22 seconds while getting shot
The answer is positioning and constantly sliding so this doesn't happen

[acoustic isle]

Best way i have found accurately reflects this is your margin for error in decision making at a split second is severely reduced in high tier havocs. And so these newer builds are giving you a bit more margin. You can still play the older builds or not be mega optimized. But you gotta play within that more narrow margin

[near wyvern]

Sprint slide from cover to cover

[tulip kettle]

right i mean cool but im not here for it

[patent mango]

cover shooter gameplay

[radiant ice]

I mean you can survive forever in a crowd of gunfire with no bubble

[tulip kettle]

like, i will link you the video

[radiant ice]

If you master movement

[tulip kettle]

he turns around and the shooter spawns behind him

and he downs in 0.22 sec

you cant do anything

if the game didnt spawn enemies directly behind you then yeah, sure

[radiant ice]

Just slide

[near wyvern]

If you have faith in your skills keeping empathetic evasion up, sure, but as soon as that horde becomes thin you gotta get the fuck out

[errant pawn]

They’re not disagreeing with you about the time of death they’re disagreeing that you could position better to prevent it in the first place. Or use movement tech to have yourself counting as dodging

[patent mango]

just have 100% slide uptime

[errant pawn]

The spawning behind you thing has been a problem forever. It’s Hella annoying

[patent mango]

its clearly fun

[near wyvern]

That ain't possible but maximise sprint sliding for movement for sure

[acoustic isle]

Now do i get why i think one would make it unfun? Oh yeah i do

[radiant ice]

Gunner need tuned for sure, but I don't feel it's as bad as people are making on

People just aren't used to being skillchecked

[tulip kettle]

right, honestly, i dont need to be skill issued? it is not possible to have 100% ranged immunity uptime

[acoustic isle]

The average darktide player doesnt wanna play a cover shooter lmao

[patent mango]

i just wanna fgs things not a cover shooter lmao

[clear heath]

i mean if you die in 0.22 seconds, all you'd need to do is the keep the slide downtime under 0.22 seconds

[tulip kettle]

ah yes, one fifth of a second

[patent mango]

genius

[wide lodge]

Hp

[tulip kettle]

a clear skill issue

[errant pawn]

Lol I feel like this sarcasm is too strong here

[lean mural]

what think ye, sibling

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9db18d2a-7b58-45b2-ba97-3b1cfca6ff9d/max-uptime-scriers-fgs

[near wyvern]

You can do Aurics, there is nothing wrong with that. Havoc is a puzzle game mode. That puzzle being a loadout check for the team.

[acoustic isle]

Havocs are demanding people adjust around it. So either you adjust or stop playing the mode.

And by no means is this me disparaging those who dont want to

[tulip kettle]

i mean i have been doing fine running bubble EK EE crit spam

[acoustic isle]

Fully fair if you dont

[patent mango]

idk i think its a fun game mode outside of ranged units

even crushers insta killing

[tulip kettle]

but dying when you dont "make a mistake" is just bad

[patent mango]

and multiple bosses at once

[clear heath]

i enjoy it but it's definitely a different vibe

[tulip kettle]

punish me for making mistakes

not for me just playing the game normally

[haughty star]

No dd is a choice lol

[acoustic isle]

It is that game mode that like barely 1% of the playerbase actually wants i think lmao

[radiant ice]

"We want super difficult end game content that forces players to get better and adapt"
"I can't use my meme build and have to adjust my curios waaaah"

It gets a little old

[lean mural]

they specifically said try warp charges with scriers

[thorn cedar]

being within sightline of a gun is a mistake

[near wyvern]

That's auric, not havoc. Havoc will punish you for going on the mission.

[tulip kettle]

in pubs this is true

accept guy into strike team

he is lvl 300 zealot, should be able to hold his own

[acoustic isle]

Now in fairness. It is difficult to increase the difficulty without buffing ranged units in some way

[tulip kettle]

loads in with a knife crit build no TWBS

[acoustic isle]

But i will admit ranged units were always obnoxious

[tulip kettle]

thanks buddy

[errant pawn]

To only have a few seconds between uptime you need the six

Also I’m still looking at it

[cosmic dock]

Any sort of mod that stops my scriers gaze from reducing the volume music? I want to jam out before I explode.

[haughty star]

What's wrong with no twbs

[tulip kettle]

maybe i got the wrong talent name

[clear heath]

honestly twbs is easier to drop now

no more gunner stagger

[lean mural]

i feel like crack of bone and warp splitting are required for scriers fgs, i dunno where else i can shave points for the 6

[tulip kettle]

the one that stops you getting shot when sprinting

[lean mural]

mettle is really the only place ig

[errant pawn]

I’m booting up my game to see what I have

[clear heath]

can ditch it on weapons that aren't trying to tank through melee hits for slow swings

[near wyvern]

Level means nothing

[tulip kettle]

anyway he died to the very first group of enemies then left

i mean kind of

but if you let a lvl 40 in you cant be surprised that they do nothing but die past diff 21

i dont like that people of havoc lvl 1 can join a havoc level 40 lobby either and you as the host cant see their havoc lvl

[near wyvern]

I have seen many lvl 300 players suck ass harder than a beast of nurgle and many sub 300 players that have their build in check and play well

[acoustic isle]

You should. If they have no clearance it means they havent even done one yet lol

[tulip kettle]

idk that isnt true. i know thats how its supposed to work

[clear heath]

Yeah some people play multiple characters and there's no way to tell from the level

[tulip kettle]

but i have literally completed a havoc at lvl 24 with someone and it still didnt show me their havoc lvl just true lvl

[clear heath]

like i'm hovering around level 300 for 3 characters so i look a lot newer than i am

[ripe obsidian]

What blessings/perks do you run on 35+ DS4?

[haughty star]

Thats swift certainty

[tulip kettle]

they both have the word swift in

close enough D

[near wyvern]

This is my guess, it's a different thing to be a lvl 300 on one character than on multiple

[haughty star]

Twbs gives you movement speed when taking damage and stops stunlock

[near wyvern]

I do uncanny shred with maniac unyielding. Uncanny agile with maniac and carapace is also justified.

[acoustic isle]

Weird the clearances have all worked for me so far

Wonder what the issue is

[near wyvern]

So maniac carapace/unyielding for perks, uncanny shred/agile for blessings

[ripe obsidian]

Neat. And dumping cleave, I assume?

[near wyvern]

Yup

[tulip kettle]

for me it often just shows peoples true level, i thought it was an issue with true lvl mod

[acoustic isle]

You running numeric ui? And if yes did you download the recent version?

[tulip kettle]

yes and yes

[acoustic isle]

I know he added support for clearance levels

[near wyvern]

You only heavy poke outside of a couple funny trash mobs

[acoustic isle]

Huh well that is really weird then man im not sure

[tulip kettle]

yeah idk either im just saying its hard to tell who to allow in to strike teams

and i agree level isnt a good indicator

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, that's how I usually run it. I was using Deimos for Deflector for a while, but I found I was rarely actually swapping to it

[tulip kettle]

the main psyker i play now is only lvl 270

[ripe obsidian]

And the mobility of DS4 would have been more useful anyway

[near wyvern]

Yeah Deflector is not needed because bubble is mandatory

[near wyvern]

The special poke is where the magic lies. If you get body blocked in a corner you can still stop the crusher overhead from one shotting you.

[acoustic isle]

Im like 280 on psyker as my most played with about 800 hours in the game lol

So i dunno i wont pretend level says anything

[near wyvern]

It has good mobility, good defence and the highest single target DPS of psyker melee weapons

[vapid sparrow]

the greatsword is pretty great

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, I was doing that a lot on my Zealot True Survivor run. Poke for days.

I'm probably going to do Uncanny/Agile just to keep myself safe. I value surviving in those melee situations more than the crit chance.

[tulip kettle]

i have not used DS without agile ever since they added it

but i also suck and need my crutches

[acoustic isle]

Infinite potential dodges do be tempting

[ripe obsidian]

I use uncanny/riposte on Auric DS4

[tulip kettle]

just uncanny agile for me

uncanny makes the sword do what its meant to do by itself

but agile + lmb spam = unkillable for those times when my skill is issuing

[haughty star]

Wait what

[primal plume]

Would be really fucking cool if it said who

[acoustic isle]

Relatable

[haughty star]

How tf have I been psyker all this time and didn't know that

[tulip kettle]

DS4 special poke guarantee stun crusher

[haughty star]

I'm gonna commit self disposal now

[marble crater]

Fraud

[tulip kettle]

also stops rager combos

[marble crater]

To the black ships you go

[jovial juniper]

Disposal Unit starts playing

[tulip kettle]

also stacks up uncanny and is useable with no downtime after a normal H1 attack so you can instantly reach 3 uncanny

[haughty star]

Signing up for MAID rn

[lean mural]

the ds special poke is ridiculously useful. basically what makes it so broken tbh

heavy into poke trivializes anything that you don't want to hit you even once

[lean mural]

i'm fucking around in the psykhanium rn and i guess i also don't really have a feel for the flow yet tbh

am i going into scrier's, weaving the odd assail into the fgs combo, and then dumping all the shards once i hit 100% and proc warp unbound?

[tulip kettle]

yes

you can even not weave when SG is active if you dont need

as you are building peril anyway

with crack of bone you will be keeping peril steady while you be smacking

[lean mural]

i'm trying to have SG always be active but i do be liking malefic momentum

so theoretically i could ditch assail for unmodified smite and get aura

[tulip kettle]

then with WU you can dump all the shards when you hit 100 peril

[ripe obsidian]

So long as it's a headshot, yes?

[tulip kettle]

its not possible to have SG always "active" because the peril generation scales, eventually you will always hit 100

and yes

[lean mural]

i know, but like, max uptime

[tulip kettle]

oh i see

[errant pawn]

I sent you my build; swap on seers prescience from that and get to 6 warp charges and you should have under 10 seconds between uptime whike in coherency

[tulip kettle]

i mean psyk aura is gonna do that for you almost by itself but then yeah you would need smite

[haughty star]

Just do my build if you want max scriers uptime

No warp charges and virtually no downtime with pa. Also no need to assail weave and enhanced boss damage from kinetic flayer

[errant pawn]

The higher the dificulty the more plentiful the specials for gaining charges too

So You can get dmg stacks while in scriers too, making a pretty big difference to the FGS

[tulip kettle]

also, what perks for the gsword to people take and why? what breakpoints are you hitting by taking them? i currently have flak maniac because im daring and original. I can 1 shot everything that isnt a crusher/bulwark with it, and i mainly use it for hordes/mixed hordes

ew kinetic flayer

ew

[lean mural]

this one? #psyker-class message

[haughty star]

Yes

[late sapphire]

its actually pretty good if you think about it

[haughty star]

Kf is outstanding now lol

[lean mural]

i'm gonna try both of these

[tulip kettle]

i dont see it

it still has a 15 sec cd right?>

so what do you even want it for

[late sapphire]

it doesn't have great burst damage but it's a constant bonus

[tulip kettle]

right a constant bonus of sweet fuck all

[haughty star]

Bossing and a free elite every 15 seconds lol

[tulip kettle]

things die anyway

[late sapphire]

things die always

[haughty star]

Its literally a brain burst every 15 seconds you do nothing for

[ripe obsidian]

It's like a 7-9% damage increase in a standard Auric/Auric Maelstrom

[tulip kettle]

thats just objectively not true

[late sapphire]

i wouldn't run it on something like a voidstrike because it's silly but on trauma and purg it's ok

[haughty star]

With recon when bossing it literally procs almost exactly every 15 seconds lol

[tulip kettle]

i mean i dont see any value in that

[late sapphire]

with recon i'd even say its pretty eh

[marble crater]

It's very nice on Purgatus, because it can kill the mutie that charges through the horde you are burning

[late sapphire]

100 dps at best

[tulip kettle]

if im running BB, which i often am

if i want to BB a boss ill just shriek and spam 10 at it in those 15 seconds

[pulsar halo]

BB with surge staff is also a free burst every 15 seconds.

[ripe obsidian]

That requires you to build around BB

And take Empowered Psionics instead of Warp Charges or DD

[tulip kettle]

Q - hold LMB for 0.2 sec - Q back to flaming

no it doesnt

just KR instead of flayer will do that

[marble crater]

I don't know what Q does

[tulip kettle]

swaps to the sword

[pulsar halo]

The only time I use burst on purpose is if things aren't aggroed and are far, or to get an inconvenient sniper.

[haughty star]

Recon is strong as hell for bossing with ee and adding a free bb to that is just icing on the cake lol

[tulip kettle]

right, fair enough, but again

the boss will be dead in 30 secs of you shooting it with a recon

[marble crater]

I will just keep burning and dodge if need be, the others can deal with the mutie

[tulip kettle]

so you proc BB once on it which does less than 5% of its HP

[pulsar halo]

I've never fully accepted that a Psyker who uses ammo is playing correctly.

[split lance]

Ur absolutely right. Who wants to one shot elites/specials anyway. I’d rather waste more time on them

[tulip kettle]

if flayer had no internal CD i would take it every time

[split lance]

Great point

[tulip kettle]

but it doesnt so its shit

i one shot everything with most builds anyway

what does adding a BB do

[split lance]

Proof?

[tulip kettle]

oh i only hit the guy for 1175 dmg

[summer prairie]

Which attack is faster on MK8 GS?

[haughty star]

30-90 yeah. Doesn't fare well on chaos spawns or facetanking bon bons, which kf helps with lol

[split lance]

Wait wait

[tulip kettle]

i proc BB and it does 25 dmg

thanks game

[pulsar halo]

TTK is always incredibly important. BB for free while attacking speeds that up.

[tulip kettle]

the guy wouldve died to soulblaze in 1 second anyway

[split lance]

Are you queueing anything higher than heresy

[tulip kettle]

i kekked

[ripe obsidian]

What staff are you using KF with?

[hazy moss]

youre falling for some bait rn

[split lance]

Bc that might explain a lot

[tulip kettle]

i dont run purgatus

[clear heath]

Flayer is really nice for trauma builds

[tulip kettle]

because i hate it

[split lance]

I’m the resident #1 Psyker shit talker

[clear heath]

blaze trauma really wants that perilous proc for soulblaze to do anything

[tulip kettle]

and on trauma ill be running a blaze trauma in which case BB procs are again doing very little

[ripe obsidian]

You seem to hate a lot of things.

[tulip kettle]

i just dont see the value when we have so many good nodes

lol i hate purgatus and the audio bug on FGS for the past week

[haughty star]

I do be hating purg dedicated build but right side purg is fun

[split lance]

I’d love to know how ur running trauma bc when I run trauma it usually takes a couple hits to kill stuff. But preface that I run difficulties higher than malice

[clear heath]

Nah it's good for getting that early perilous proc so you can actually burn the rest with your blaze trauma

[tulip kettle]

if i could make the purgatus flames have 50% opacity i might like it more

[clear heath]

Cause you'll hit a elite pack and one of them will actually die

[tulip kettle]

i mean youre proccing crits over 50% of the time

[clear heath]

then the fire starts

[tulip kettle]

and say i see a rager pack

there are 10

[ripe obsidian]

I have run a bunch of games to compare KF and not, and having KF is actually like a 7-9% damage increase versus not having it.

[tulip kettle]

i trauma once none die but i crit and they all start to burn

i trauma again i crit and 6 die

the rest burn to death

very normal gameplay

[split lance]

Yeah so with KF they’d all just die instead of burning to death

Burning takes long

[tulip kettle]

lol

lol

lol

[split lance]

Kill them before they die

[tulip kettle]

it can proc once

[split lance]

Smh smh

[haughty star]

The point in my specific build is just taking blitzing in general out of the equation to dedicated more time to just being in scriers which is a bigger buff than ee. KF is just a nice bonus over having to pick between scriers and assail weaving

[split lance]

That’s a free kill on an elite. That’s warpfire already being spread

[tulip kettle]

in that scenario KF is gonna do around 300 dmg to one target

[split lance]

Use critical thinking skills you absolute donut

[haughty star]

I can just be in scriers or its lasting effect. KF helps with bonus bossing damage and free pc and elite procs are free lol

[split lance]

But maybe I’m wrong. Maybe have a very early kill to start warpfire stacks is a bad thing

[tulip kettle]

im gonna do 6k dmg in about 3 seconds and 300 will be from BB and the TTK on the group is the same - 2 blasts

[split lance]

Idk how it’s a bad thing tho so please enlighten me

[ripe obsidian]

A dreg rager has 2000 HP at Damnation. How much damage does a fully charged Trauma do?

[split lance]

Bb will kill the enemy in one shot. Your trauma won’t

[tulip kettle]

right, one of them

theres 20

[clear heath]

1 kill leads to more
because perilous combustion is a thing that exists

[tulip kettle]

im gonna need to do the same number of blasts to get them low enough and proc enough burn

[ripe obsidian]

Okay, that's one more dead rager.

[halcyon gust]

And they're all slicing at you

[tulip kettle]

no, they are all on the floor

[pulsar halo]

Use the surge staff. The survivors get stun locked.

[tulip kettle]

burning

[ripe obsidian]

"Killing enemies is not the way to win the game" - domshizzle 2024

[tulip kettle]

too obvious

[late sapphire]

there is a mod that makes the flames invisible

i can recommend it a lot

[tulip kettle]

i want to see them

just

[split lance]

Okay okay. And what happens when one elite dies. That’s right. Other enemies around start ✨ burning ✨ and do you know what it means when enemies are burning?? That’s right!!! ❇️ damage ✨

[tulip kettle]

less

[late sapphire]

It's way more magical to just hold out your hand and have enemies fall over dead

At least thats how i cope with the lack of an opacity mod...

[tulip kettle]

okay, lets do a tiny bit of critical thinking as you said

[clear heath]

I should really get it. It looks nice

[tulip kettle]

i blast once with flayer

i crit on staff

everything burning

one dead

[split lance]

Genuinely fun fact

Never seen anyone good at the game say flayer is bad

[tulip kettle]

HAHA

[acoustic isle]

So uuuhhh...... what we arguin about lads?

[clear heath]

i mean, we all said flayer was bad before they buffed it

[split lance]

Lil bro thinks KF bad

[tulip kettle]

and the reason it was bad was because it has a 15 sec internal cd

[split lance]

Nah. I’ve been a flayer believer since day one

[tulip kettle]

does it still have a 15 sec internal cd?

[clear heath]

you are not real

[acoustic isle]

Kinectic flayer right?

[tulip kettle]

yes

[split lance]

No it was bad bc it would procc on any enemy. Not just elites

[tulip kettle]

lol

just, lol

[split lance]

I’m 100% serious

[acoustic isle]

Well having just used it with an inferno staff to clear havoc 40

[tulip kettle]

you know when KF is actually good

[split lance]

All the time

[acoustic isle]

I cant really call it bad lol

[split lance]

No need to continue

[tulip kettle]

with purgatus, or when you dont 1 shot the mutie

that is it

[split lance]

Lil bro does not enjoy one shotting elites/specials

[tulip kettle]

I DO THAT ANYWAY JESUS FUCK

[acoustic isle]

Now is it so necessary amazeballs required for anything outside of havoc? Nah

But like

Christ it's good lmao

[split lance]

No you don’t. Ur using trauma

lol

[marble crater]

Congrats.
I'm starting to think I'm the only one here who didn't complete 40 so far. Maybe I should play more instead of reading discord

[tulip kettle]

tbf i am no longer a trauma main

[haughty star]

Or with literally almost any gun? Or with ek staff? There's tons of shit its good for lol

[ripe obsidian]

I wish my trauma one-shot elites. :<

[tulip kettle]

again just no

[split lance]

You’ve only talked about trauma….

[tulip kettle]

we were talking about trauma as an example

my point isd

you need to blast the group 2 or 3 times for them to die

[radiant ice]

I have True Survivor but my highest clear is 35

[tulip kettle]

with or without kinetic

[patent mango]

i stopped after true survivor lol so technically no 40

[clear heath]

my hot take is i actually like flayer a lot more on trauma than purg
I mean i like it on both but i notice it helping a lot more often on trauma

[split lance]

Ok let’s go through this exercise one more time

[tulip kettle]

it doesnt change the TTK for the group

[radiant ice]

I'm hosting now and just don't have the time to play that many games yet XD

[radiant ice]

Same

[acoustic isle]

In fairness as far as kinetic flayer is concerned. Is it not best suited for staves whom can hit multiple times quicklym

[marble crater]

People say 40 is no different than 35, so I guess it still counts

[radiant ice]

Wait is he saying Kinetic Flayer is bad?

[clear heath]

Trauma actually really wants the perilous procs early but inferno is just gonna build those stacks in like a quarter of a second anyways

[tulip kettle]

fire rate makes no difference

[patent mango]

i'll play more if they make gunners more reasonable but for now retiring

[radiant ice]

Kinetic Flayer is an insanely good node tf

[split lance]

If you get a pick early and get to max warpfire stacks faster. What happens?

[tulip kettle]

because of the CD

dude

you blast them

the same number of times

[acoustic isle]

Admittedly i never really used trauma

[tulip kettle]

you cant blast any faster

[acoustic isle]

So i can't comment on it

[radiant ice]

Sounds like you've never played higher than Malice my dude

[tulip kettle]

it doesnt change the blasts to kill a group

and single targets arent a threat

[split lance]

Genuine question. Do you queue anything higher than malice

[tulip kettle]

ITS THE OPPOSITE

its only good on lower difficulties where you see one fucking special a minute

[radiant ice]

The point is the explosion kills the crowd surrounding the elite, and the elite gets one tapped by it in a Trauma build. Then again, as good as it is, it's not ideal for Trauma

[split lance]

I’m sure you’re very well versed in playing in lower difficulty

[acoustic isle]

Yeah i thought so

[tulip kettle]

cool story

[radiant ice]

Which then triggers Perilous Combustion so you can get more Soulblaze going

[acoustic isle]

Trauma was meant for single big bursts at a time

[tulip kettle]

he made the same argument

[acoustic isle]

Not constant continuous hits to try a proc

[tulip kettle]

and i explained why thats horse shit

[split lance]

Yes it is. KF is literally on all my builds

If I could put it on assail I would

[tulip kettle]

if there is one elite

i literally dont care

if there are loads like normal

[radiant ice]

If there is 40, it still puts stacks of Soulblaze on the others and the crowd

[tulip kettle]

then its the same number of blasts to clear the group

the number of blasts required is the same

[acoustic isle]

Mind you soulblaze is an insanely useful thing to keep on enemies

[split lance]

You kill it faster. Now your mission is faster. Personally I’m not a fan of being in a mission for 45mins

[tulip kettle]

its that simple

[split lance]

Ya know what

[acoustic isle]

For various reasons

[clear heath]

no because the soulblaze being applied earlier allows you to either blast less or charge less

[tulip kettle]

does it take the same amount of time to do the same number of blasts?

[clear heath]

because believe it or not, soulblaze does damage

[tulip kettle]

im counting on it

[split lance]

How about we play a game together. I’ll run KF. You don’t. We see who does more damage

[tulip kettle]

thats the dg poinnt

[marble crater]

And you are not the only person who is dealing damage to the group

[summer prairie]

I mostly get it for the psykinetic cooldown and number go up

[split lance]

An ez auric mael

[tulip kettle]

i have no desire to play with a chat room troll named tren

[acoustic isle]

This is riveting lads keep it goin lmao

[split lance]

Whatever’s up rn

[acoustic isle]

I need 40 more minutes to pass

So i can get off work

[tulip kettle]

i dont play nurgles blessing

[radiant ice]

I mean pretty much same, all I meant is the value is slightly lower on say, Voidstrike or Blast compared to Inferno. Still an amazing node

[tulip kettle]

and i agree its good on purgatus

[split lance]

So you can’t back up your claims in any way. And now your sacred to play a game with me bc you know you won’t be able to keep up

That kinda tells us everything we need to know

[clear heath]

tbh i'm betting tren outdamages him regardless of flayer anyways

[haughty star]

Kf is a amazing pick on ek now that greatsword is a thing

[split lance]

I don’t run VS but on the other staffs it’s 100% useful.

[radiant ice]

Oh agreed yeah

[tulip kettle]

we will have to agree to disagree

[haughty star]

Was before too but even more desirable now that the almighty muncher is upon us

[split lance]

Oh yeah that’s going to happen anyway. I could run around with a knife and put damage him

[radiant ice]

I mean it's literally everyone else who has played Psyker past Standard disagreeing with you

[tulip kettle]

i disagree with that too

[split lance]

I’m better than you

[tulip kettle]

cool story

[split lance]

That’s all the proof

We need

[wind spruce]

KF is sub optimal on almost every osyker build

[split lance]

[clear heath]

I mean i've played havoc with tren like twice
He does pretty good damage from what i've seen

[split lance]

Out damage me then

[radiant ice]

You're sub optimal on almost every discussion

[wind spruce]

It does not output enough damage to actually be better than a defensive choice

But it's cool. That's fine.

[tulip kettle]

this is lit what i said

[summer prairie]

but number goes up

[tulip kettle]

there are a million better nodes than getting 300 dmg onto a 2k dmg enemy every 15 secs

[split lance]

Like?

[tulip kettle]

if it had no internal cd it would be must take on every build

[patent mango]

kf is distracting from the real op talent charged strike

[radiant ice]

Out of curiosity, what is your Havoc clear rank? That would shut people up

[tulip kettle]

i have played havoc for one evening hosting and am 25

[summer prairie]

you do get more damage beyond the proc damage due to more psykinetic and more shriek

[tulip kettle]

its not more PA

its the same

the thing will die anyway

[acoustic isle]

But... isnt the defense available from stuff like... soul blaze spreading potential on the pop and the elite kills giving things like warp siphon stacks and further warp siphon stacks from soul blazed enemies dying? And is it really all that suboptimal when all it becomes is a single node on brain burst that all builds can use?

[summer prairie]

but it might not be killed by you

[tulip kettle]

i mean it usually is...

[radiant ice]

So... 25 is still likely easier than an Auric mission. And most people here are deep into Havoc 35+ as Psykers, being this is the Psyker chat. Could it simply be a disconnect of different experiences due to different requirements out their builds?

[summer prairie]

is it

there are 3 other people

[tulip kettle]

it isnt easier than an auric mission lol

[radiant ice]

25 is

[acoustic isle]

And i doubt your other defensive nodes are really locked out by one single point in KF

[split lance]

Havoc 25 is the same as a mael tbh

[clear heath]

It's also earlier which means you could shriek earlier which means you might be able to apply soulblaze to kill before needing to even attack a second time

[tulip kettle]

no, it is not

[split lance]

But fr

Let’s just play a game together bro

[tulip kettle]

i do mael literally every day

[split lance]

You can use whatever staff and I’ll use whatever staff

[wind spruce]

Bro you gotta stop

[split lance]

Yeah. They’re pretty easy

[tulip kettle]

the shooters with fading light are more broken than anything in auric mael

[wind spruce]

Out damaging someone doesn't prove the worth of a talent.

[split lance]

Got bored of em before havoc

[split lance]

Yeah but it boosts my ego and makes lil bro more mad

So it’s a win win

[radiant ice]

If you can’t slide or use EE, or use a bubble

[tulip kettle]

says the guy named tren

[split lance]

Says the guy named domshizzle

[acoustic isle]

Hi

Im dad

[radiant ice]

Honestly until 30 Havoc is pretty chill

[split lance]

When will you be returning with the milk father

[clear heath]

honestly i bet people who feel comfortable in havoc 30 could probably get a maelstrom solo if they tried hard enough. It's that big of a difference

at least some of the easier maelstroms

[split lance]

I’ve tried a couple duo maels and those are really fun

[acoustic isle]

Honestly yeah. Me sinking into insanity doing havocs is gonna make aurics feel like recess

[tulip kettle]

there is nothing hard about solo mael

the only annoying thing before havoc was nurgles blessing

[split lance]

Fr? Any proof you’ve done it or anything?

[fiery stratus]

sure theres something hard

[radiant ice]

I’m fairly comfortable until Havoc 35, but even then it’s not like banging my head against a wall, just a focus time. Kinetic Flayer is an insanely good node and I take it whenever I can

[fiery stratus]

events are impossible if you dont run stealth

[tulip kettle]

ive never done it psyker only zealot

[split lance]

Yeah I don’t get not wanting free damage

[split lance]

Again. Any proof of that or….

[tulip kettle]

lol no im not chaos

i dont film my gameplay like a nerd

[split lance]

I never knew it was impossible to die on zealot

[fiery stratus]

doing zealot or vet solo isnt difficult because you can stealth for a lot of it

[radiant ice]

Steam does automatically now

[split lance]

I started playing it recently. You have to try to go down

[split lance]

Ah. So we can take what you say as meaningless

Gotcha

[clear heath]

I've attempted an easier mael a long time ago and made it halfway
I could probably do it now if i cherrypick the easiest mael i can

[radiant ice]

Even book or shout makes it super hard to die sometimes

[acoustic isle]

We dont gotta get so rude about this though guys

[tulip kettle]

nobody is being rude

hes trolling

[split lance]

Atlas and I were trying to do maels but making it harder. Like melee only with purg

[tulip kettle]

im playing along

[split lance]

Yes we do

[tulip kettle]

its all good fun

[fiery stratus]

the problem is if you're not on zealot with thy wrath be swift, you'll just get knocked from events in one hit

assuming youre not stealthing

[split lance]

When you left for milk and didn’t come back

It hurt. It affected me

[wind spruce]

Except its not

Hahahha

[tulip kettle]

yeah theyre trolling my dude

[wind spruce]

I love how we universally accepted it was shit when it didn't just target elites

[split lance]

Nope

[clear heath]

yeah gotta cherrypick the missions if you wanna solo without zealot.
Something like enclavum doesn't have an event that needs long interactions

[summer prairie]

it's an okay node

[wind spruce]

And we all said the problem was the cooldown

[tulip kettle]

i dont think anybody who understands psyker actually think its good

[wind spruce]

Not just the targeting

[tulip kettle]

i said the same dude

its the 15 sec cd making it bad

[wind spruce]

Now everyone's lost their minds over it

[tulip kettle]

they are trolling or dont understand math

the one thing i will say

[radiant ice]

I mean you’ve consistently had the chats worst takes until domshizzle arrived, so an expected viewpoint

[summer prairie]

disagree

[tulip kettle]

im not sure how BB interacts with pus

[wind spruce]

Lmao OK bro

[tulip kettle]

and if it does full damage through flayer to pus enemies then maybe its better in havoc

[acoustic isle]

Hmmm now i realize what this is. This is what perils does to an MFer.

[ripe obsidian]

I have done the math and tested it. KF, per Power DI, adds just shy of 10% damage to an Auric game. It's significant.

[radiant ice]

The buzzing…

[split lance]

what would you take instead of flayer

[tulip kettle]

no it doesnt

[acoustic isle]

They show up in a discord chat and argue about the game instead of playing

[summer prairie]

closer to 7%

but some of that is damage you would do anyway

[radiant ice]

I’m on a work call so can’t play

[split lance]

i do it while in game

[tulip kettle]

rending when at high peril probably

[split lance]

im the 1%

[split lance]

are you joing

joking

[ripe obsidian]

7% is shy of 10%. I just got sick of typing 7-9% on my phone

[radiant ice]

That perk doesn’t even work, it’s bugged

[split lance]

or serious

now i cant tell whos the troll

thats unironically one of the worst nodes

[tulip kettle]

i havent tested it and i dont live in this chat

[fiery stratus]

the solution to all of this is to only play melee/gunpsyker

[summer prairie]

but for example if you are on purg and it's proccing on an elite you are targetting, it's not really extra damage unless someone else kills it

[radiant ice]

Even if it did work, it’s rending not brittle, it would still suck at 10%

[summer prairie]

SB would do same damage anyway

[thorn cedar]

100k melk coins to get my three curios lmao

[wind spruce]

Toughness, probably. EE is right there depending on the staff.

[radiant ice]

And only to warp attacks you make, if it worked

[split lance]

surge

[split lance]

so EE worthless

[zinc phoenix]

I’d dump 6 wc for quietude personally

Toughness on demand is very nice

[tulip kettle]

youre also running PC

which i wouldnt

[wind spruce]

That's silly

[radiant ice]

What!?

[wind spruce]

It's a shriek build

[split lance]

tf is pc

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah EE is pretty good too, I hate being without it in any build

[radiant ice]

Why do you hate all the good psyker stuff!?

[clear heath]

perilous combustion

[split lance]

ooooh

[clear heath]

insane take btw

[radiant ice]

Perilous Combustion, one of our most goated perks

[split lance]

ok ur a bot

[tulip kettle]

okay too obvious fellas

[radiant ice]

PC triggers off each elite/special. Kill a pack and max stack the room with Soulblaze

[tulip kettle]

sorry i didnt mean pc

i meant wildfire

[split lance]

bruh

again

ur a bot

[radiant ice]

Wildfire is okie not amazing, but it’s good

[split lance]

nah nah

[tulip kettle]

it isnt good

[radiant ice]

Prestacking bb

[split lance]

wildfire is THE GOAT

[tulip kettle]

prestacking to... 1?

1 stack? you think its good?

[radiant ice]

If they have no stacks, 4

[tulip kettle]

no

nono

no

[split lance]

1sb is more than 0, quick mafs

[tulip kettle]

thats not how it works

[radiant ice]

If you light a whole horde up and an elite runs into it, the second a horde guy dies they get 4 stacks

[clear heath]

it can prestack up to 4 if there's enough enemies dying

[radiant ice]

Cause it can’t jump to others already above 4

[clear heath]

the stack cap for it is 4

[tulip kettle]

yes in theory it can

[split lance]

and if ur with me

enemies are always dying

not with dom tho

he likes to keep em staggered for 3-4 trauma hits

to each there own tho

[tulip kettle]

that was good, i liked that

[split lance]

sad

i dont have a better bow emoji

[tulip kettle]

it was annoying knocking a room down and leaving as they all burned so now i slap them with my tiny balls

[split lance]

i just kill em

[tulip kettle]

or stick em with my shaft

[split lance]

faster

smarter

[acoustic isle]

I prefer the giant balls of a voidstrike

[split lance]

stronger

nvm i messed it up

just imagine i said the thing homelander says

[tulip kettle]

yeah bowling balls were fun when i was new

[split lance]

ive never been a vs fan

[fallen spindle]

Bro is NOT better

[radiant ice]

Can we like

[split lance]

out damage me then

[radiant ice]

Give a reward out for worst takes

[split lance]

(pls dont ill cry, my ego is fragile)

[radiant ice]

This guy is great

[split lance]

i know i have some bad takes

[tulip kettle]

you win for thinking wildfire and + KF are good

[fallen spindle]

Ill tear your insades boy

[split lance]

like on purg you should shriek at low peril to stun enemies bc ur going to burn them to death anyway theyll die fast enough

[tulip kettle]

lol

[split lance]

promise?

[radiant ice]

That is a pretty bad take

[tulip kettle]

just take the other shriek

whats it called

[radiant ice]

But not domshizzle bad

[tulip kettle]

the flat damage one

[split lance]

no

[radiant ice]

See

[split lance]

its worthless

[tulip kettle]

no i meanm

for you it sounds great

[radiant ice]

Literally the next message he says is “Use Warp Rupture”

[acoustic isle]

me when my build is probably dogshit when i make it on it's own anyways

https://tenor.com/view/marge-i-just-think-theyre-neat-the-simpsons-neat-potato-gif-8549864

[tulip kettle]

youre just going to burn them anyway you said right?

[radiant ice]

He uses the early push for prestacking

Same principle as Wildfire

[split lance]

but you see i can back it up and you can watch it work in real time (i have a bubble)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQpN10678ck&t=224s

[radiant ice]

Nah I get prestacking

[tulip kettle]

why would i watch you play purgatus bubble psyker

[split lance]

rmb purg goes

nyooooooom

[tulip kettle]

be real

[acoustic isle]

We can win the havocs. We have the technology

BUBBLES

[split lance]

ngl

[clear heath]

here's the better take
This situation shouldn't even be considered cause your peril shouldn't be low anyways
Just be better at peril management

[radiant ice]

Cause it’s literally the meta for high difficulty right now

[split lance]

i cant go gym rn

[tulip kettle]

i am already bored of bubble spam after 1 day of it

[split lance]

ill do a run using purg

quick mael

[tulip kettle]

its vent purge

fuck that

[radiant ice]

No it’s not

[tulip kettle]

boring as sin

[split lance]

i hate when i solo q mael and teammates make the mission last 10min longer than it needs too

[acoustic isle]

Know what im not bored of though?

[radiant ice]

You haven’t even got past h25 how do you know?

[split lance]

i dont like it either

but thats meta

rip

[split lance]

inv

i never let go of w

[radiant ice]

If they take my 4 pips I will go to war

[split lance]

pls pls

[radiant ice]

I’m used to them now

They’re my babies

[tulip kettle]

i had to super glue my W key back on last week

[split lance]

dont be the type that holds s

[tulip kettle]

be real

[split lance]

ik its supposed to be a flex

but that jsut sounds like an awful kb

to be using

[fallen spindle]

Promisse

[tulip kettle]

its got them crispy cherries and i cba to get another

[fallen spindle]

[tulip kettle]

its cosy, im used to it

[radiant ice]

Eww Cherry switches

[tulip kettle]

like the stack of piss bottles in the corner of your room

[split lance]

im going to show you why they call me "freaky tren" in other servers

[radiant ice]

The Omnissiah is disappointed

[split lance]

not even slanesh is going to be able to save you

iirc my switches are milky whites

milky yellows

sum like that

[radiant ice]

I have Baby Kangaroo’s

[fallen spindle]

I think shes the one who brought you to me

[clear heath]

milky yellows good

[tulip kettle]

yeah they go that colour when you just do it straight onto the keyboard you degenerate

[radiant ice]

https://www.keychron.uk/products/gateron-baby-kangaroo-tactile-switch?variant=43587465969834&country=GB&currency=GBP&utm_medium=product_sync&utm_source=google&utm_content=sag_organic&utm_campaign=sag_organic&gad_source=1&gbraid=0AAAAAoWJlW6sfVPNIMjrklt0qFCTBzQkb&gclid=CjwKCAiA6t-6BhA3EiwAltRFGNcqhaUYhkFxYgg4G_HXjwAufHw6BNdduQSHIq82S93Zsl-zl-sOCxoCBX0QAvD_BwE

[split lance]

this was last time i used vs btw

[radiant ice]

Wow that’s a link

[clear heath]

baby kangaroos also good

[split lance]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1004447866250613048/1293778694535512115/967v2e.gif

[clear heath]

i'm linear gang but those are the only tactiles i've been tempted by

[split lance]

ur about to be ruined

i dont apologize

[radiant ice]

Aren’t the Baby Racoons just linear Baby Kangaroos?

Or are Racoons the clickers? Can’t remember actually

[split lance]

my kb is too small for me tho

[tulip kettle]

tell me that isnt you playing in that tiny pixellated gif

[split lance]

https://tenor.com/view/tired-office-cubicle-bob-parr-the-incredibles-gif-7767100