psyker-class

[karmic reef]

I hate how in darktide all the fun looking blessings that arent just stat changes are completely dogshit

you cant do this to me

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-drinking-steve-harvey-head2seoker-drinking-party-gif-5069515457533912064

[nocturne dust]

You will take your stat changes and like them

Actually Blazing Spirit is good on one thing

Trauma/Voidblast

but for melee it's... 😔

[karmic reef]

I've never used trauma, is it potentially better for the fire build?

[nocturne dust]

Uh, it's a build

All the staves are strong, I wouldn't say Trauma is better or Inferno is better. They play differently and Trauma is safer while dealing less damage.

[unreal wasp]

W e L o v e F o r c e G S I n T h i s H o u s e h o l d

[nocturne dust]

Voidstrike is weaker and EK is stronger tho

[karmic reef]

Is carapace good on deimos?

[hardy coral]

looks like Party finder is working as intended.

[unreal wasp]

Hit em with that

[karmic reef]

I have crit and carapace rn

[nocturne dust]

Not a bad choice at all if you're running it with Inferno

[nocturne dust]

Maybe not crit

I would use flak, maniac, or unyielding

depending on what you want to kill

probably unyielding to combine with purg for uncanny soulblaze

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1310894228339167334/Fire_Elmo_V5.gif

[karmic reef]

Who the hell runs unarmored

[nocturne dust]

uh, axe sometimes

[karmic reef]

wait are lobby voicelines a thing now?

I just heard an ogryn complain about rations being cut

[nocturne dust]

always have been

[split lance]

wut

trauma deals more damage

[nocturne dust]

[split lance]

its the easiest staff to get a mil dmg with

[nocturne dust]

That's super sus

[unreal wasp]

[strong gulch]

Especailly if you use OG (non ovenproof) scoreboard

[rich spindle]

Once I learned inferno more I put it on the same level as trauma

[nocturne dust]

Tren is just a purg hater 😭

or was

[rich spindle]

I’d rather take purg to scab melee over trauma honestly

Maybe not anymore that they changed rangers

Ragers

[nocturne dust]

That's also sus since crushers galore

[rich spindle]

It is sus

I just kite the crushers while I burn everything else

DS if they actually need to die

[plucky flax]

Wut blaze trauma does the most in melee scab only by far

Try it

[split lance]

truama kills and stumbles them

[lean remnant]

is the spend peril to reload fast good?

[split lance]

purg tickles them for 15min

[rich spindle]

I just like purg better for the mauler conga line kills

[lean remnant]

for gun build

[nocturne dust]

Trauma does do the most damage in scab melee, but that's also a specific modifier.

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma you just spam in melee scab only and kill crushers and bulwarks too

[strong gulch]

I hear it slaps for guns like double barrel shotgot and revolver

[plucky flax]

Never switch off your staff

[lean remnant]

well I am using the double barrel I gave a run and it seemed solid

bolt pistol maybe?

[rich spindle]

Think I just got bored of it

[lean remnant]

its got a long reloadand smaller ammo count

[plucky flax]

Bistol is best

Veri cool gun

[split lance]

trauma also kills most mobs faster than purg will (assuming full charge, which you better be doing )

[nocturne dust]

It also takes longer to charge and lasts way shorter

well, longer per damage output is what I mean

[split lance]

more dmg per shot

significantly more

[nocturne dust]

far less shots

[split lance]

i mean

i dont think anyhting has more shots than purg

[nocturne dust]

Vraks

[split lance]

but if each shot does 2dmg

vs 1 shot doing 20k

[nocturne dust]

That's a very exaggerated scale

and would be equivalent to purg doing 20,000 shots per trauma 1

[timber cairn]

G'damn a good ogryn popped up outta nowhere. 1 win 1 defeat with him on Havoc 34 - couldn't outdps him on mob damage at all, and had nowhere near his kills on specialists. Didn't realise the pickaxe was so good. (I was inferno /w blaze+nexus)

[plucky flax]

We're you a bit too far back?

[split lance]

beset way to get the zealot 40 kills with stun nade penance

i cant seem to get it

[plucky flax]

Throw it horde then use flamer

[split lance]

thats what ima do

[plucky flax]

[split lance]

thats what i been doing i mean

do i need to put overpowered on it instead of the ammo one

[plucky flax]

Do it in havoc

In maelstrom things die too fast

[split lance]

im not enjoying using these nades

i wanna be done with them

[plucky flax]

It's mostly used if you path left side but throwing knives are most popular by far

[split lance]

i enjoy the knives

by far my favorite

i just wanna do this penance

[timber cairn]

always in the middle of it

[plucky flax]

Did you spin around for more coverage?

Pickaxe is real good but it wouldn't out damage burga in havoc 30s

[cyan portal]

@nocturne dust https://youtu.be/hKnk5OiRqFw Min charges actually apply stacks faster.

[nocturne dust]

over the entire duration?

[cyan portal]

Yeah? Uploaded vid of data collection so you can see the method

[nocturne dust]

I don't understand how you're collecting data from this method

[cyan portal]

timer in top right

[nocturne dust]

oh wait I see

[cyan portal]

record time when I first press rmb, then record time at 3 6 9 12 and 15 stacks

[nocturne dust]

Are you accounting for crits?

Crit inconsistency makes it a real pain

[cyan portal]

bare build and bare staff to minimize crits, but it is why I did 5 trials of each

[nocturne dust]

I'll have to better review it later, I'm in a loading screen

[cyan portal]

fair

ngl I'm surprised min charges came out ahead, I expect them to be equal by the end of the max charge's channel out.

One factor that is hard to measure is the much higher potential mobility with min charges, and its impact on helping you stay alive.

[clear heath]

I kinda figured the theoretical optimal way to charge is to just charge the exact amount you need to reach 15

which would kinda depend

like depends on crits and how many stacks they already have

[plucky flax]

Warp nexus and crit string too

That test is only valid if you quell to 0 every time. Then sure from 0 peril min charge might apply faster (?)

[cyan portal]

why would crit rate change the outcome between min and max charges?

I did that test with a bare staff and a bare build. I can repeat it with a proper staff in a proper build at 80+ peril if you really think it would make a difference?

[plucky flax]

Try it if you want otherwise I can do it later tonight

[cyan portal]

with a constantly arriving hoard those factors kinda wash out, and it just becomes a matter of stacks applied per second

[celest valve]

The flamer action script checks to see only if current stacks is less than max stacks, even if it's a critical hit. Otherwise it just refreshes the duration.

[cyan portal]

we are comparing stack application rate of min vs max charged secondaries, so that doesn't seem relevant?

[split lance]

thammer any good?

[plucky flax]

I don't like it too slow for me

[celest valve]

Also part of why shorter charges apply more stacks is likely because stacks are applied on each burn interval, and when the shooting action stops.

[nocturne dust]

Big bonk

Very good

[split lance]

thats how i was feeling about the axe

[nocturne dust]

Well, thammer is probably one of the slowest weapons around

but bonk is satisfying

[celest valve]

One could theoretically macro this for maximum stacks by releasing the left mouse button after the burn application timer, and then immediatly pressing it again roughly 2-3 times a second.

....er, if not for the minimum hold time at least.

actually not sure if the purgatus staff has that hold timer.

[pale plover]

Best perks and blessings for Electrokinetic Force Staff?

Are Warp Flurry and Focused Channeling good?

And are these stats ok or should I reroll

[strong gulch]

Just to play with that staff is fine. You want to aim for 60 warp resist and 80 everything else.

warp flurry + warp nexus are the blessings to get. Flak + personal choice for perks.

[nocturne dust]

Flak + unyielding imo

[strong gulch]

Test in the meat grinder for your preferred breakpoint / damage perk.

I like unyielding as well.

Surge breakpoints are not straight forwards btw. A lot of things need a full charge then a partial or a primary bolt.

[silent panther]

Been having low dmg in havoc as well. I'm pretty confident in my tree and blessings, only thing I can think of is that I often pull out my ds to deal wil armor if it's not a massive mob. Y'all think that's wrong?

[plucky flax]

Yeah let team deal with crushers

[silent panther]

Maybe a better question would be, could that account for being 100k lower than top dmg in a havoc 35-40?

[clear heath]

got true survivor!

2 chorus zealots mvp

[plucky flax]

Choir bois

[plucky flax]

I can't tell without seeing how you play. Maybe the team is just very good. Maybe you're new to psyker and not proficient yet.

Maybe you need to aim for big mobs density more for e peen

[silent panther]

We do vod reviews in here? 👀

[clear heath]

100k isn't that big of a gap in high havoc

[plucky flax]

Some pro players can help I'm sure.

[silent panther]

My ego makes it unacceptable

[clear heath]

like if it's 900k vs 1 million damage, it's not like the 900k guy is doing poorly

[plucky flax]

I'm just sedition but I can have a look if you want

[clear heath]

a small difference like 10% less damage could easily just come down to being slightly less aggressive

if someone runs ahead to the horde, they'll hit it first and do more damage

[plucky flax]

I'm thinking of going big sword deflector wrath instead of illisi deflector slaughterer for my surge build

#bigswordaddiction

[clear heath]

I brought big sword surge to that 37 true survivor run

did okay

[plucky flax]

You played surge with bubble?

[clear heath]

Did way less damage cause i was playing like a bitch for that true survivor, and it had blighted lights out

[clear heath]

yeah

[plucky flax]

I can't play surge with bubble

Rip my damage

[nocturne dust]

Me in every game

[clear heath]

Sword wave compensates

[nocturne dust]

If I die I lose

Hardcore darktide

If I die I delete my character

[plucky flax]

Sword doesn't clear horde as fast as creeping flames spam

[nocturne dust]

😔

It would if it was max charge all the time

[clear heath]

Honestly people sleep on the uncharged special

[plucky flax]

I use uncharged special to build peril

My 42% warp resistance gives like 40+

[nocturne dust]

Eh, the uncharged special is nice sometimes but it kind of balances out the lack of mobility

[plucky flax]

Faster than assails ro get to 84

[clear heath]

special like an illisi twice to build peril and then everything's softened up for you to slice up for actual charges

also of note with the mk6, the followup to the special is the stab

so this fucks up ragers really easily

force slash to stagger into stab kill

[plucky flax]

Hmm can it aoe stagger at no charge?

For everything the slash hit?

[south gull]

damn I think I prefer illisi over greatsword

[clear heath]

you know, now that i check in the psykanium it's kinda weird
If you melee hit with it, they don't stagger. If you hit with the wave, they do

like you actually have to not hit with the blade part

[plucky flax]

Back dodge twice and slash veri cool

[nocturne dust]

yeh

[south gull]

Illisi still feels mor useful in panic situations over greatsword to me

Greatsword has way too much setup

[clear heath]

yeah you'd wanna do something similar to this

[plucky flax]

That's veri cool ill utilise this tech

Since I also use mk6

Aoe stagger on demand this is pog

Can it knock bulwark shield aside?

[clear heath]

no

[nocturne dust]

isn't it both mks?

[sturdy reef]

hey, we did pretty good lol

[plucky flax]

I dunno if mk8 also does stab after special or not

[sturdy reef]

good thing they staggered their chorus'

[nocturne dust]

ah, no not that. The stagger from slice

[clear heath]

yeah the chorus carried us so hard

[sturdy reef]

as soon as the wave came up

[clear heath]

Definitely wouldn't have made true survivor without them

[sturdy reef]

and we entered the elevator

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah it does. But the follow up is is what matter

[sturdy reef]

I was shittin myself

[plucky flax]

Because mk8 stab is from push attack which is only 1 stagger

[sturdy reef]

a wave spawning at the bottom of that elevator is nasty

[plucky flax]

If it doesn't have stab after special then mk6 is clear

[nocturne dust]

Hhhhmmm

Something to test I guess

[plucky flax]

Can you check real fast mk8 heavy after special

[clear heath]

It's just the overhead

[nocturne dust]

It's so over

[sturdy reef]

MK6 supremacy

[cyan portal]

https://youtu.be/AXJYSy9pIH0 Numbers at 80+ peril on a proper build. Red number is a fudged average because I tried that one twice but it didn't hit 15 stacks in one channel, and I didn't want to put in a big outliers to nuke the max charge's average.

[plucky flax]

[cyan portal]

Probably need more trials to average out the variability of crits. But that's enough effort for me.

[plucky flax]

Also another thing worth to take into account as well is how many instances of direct damage get applied over those 5ish sec duration

Which min or max charge apply more direct damage

[cyan portal]

Yeah, although if you are sweeping it guts most of the direct damage anyway. If you are holding on a single target then max charge does more direct dmg because it ramps up for each consecutive direct dmg tick. A weird up side of sweeping losing consecutive direct dmg boost is that it can trigger mettle multiple times on one target in a single channel. But imo if you're attacking one target you should be stabbing it anyway.

[nocturne dust]

I count 7 significant crits on the short rmb side. I tried counting the long rmb side but counting crits hard on crappy youtube player

[nocturne dust]

Don't sweep

[cyan portal]

if you want to apply max stacks, sweep

[strong gulch]

Did you get it>

[nocturne dust]

Inferno is a lot more than just soulblaze stacks

[clear heath]

hmm, now that i think about it, i never actually checked if this staggers ragers in havoc. Enemies have higher stagger thresholds

[steel flame]

so uh, we found a sequence break on dark communion while trying to get a buddy the zealot 20 minute penace

[clear heath]

Usually i don't really pay attention, i just do it for peril gain and as a combo starter

maybe it wouldn't work, idk

[clear heath]

yeah

zealot chorus carried me

we had 2 zealots

[strong gulch]

Noice

[steel flame]

we went so fast the first boss couldnt keep up with us and when we got to the ambush that boss opened the door for us before the ambush even started and we got the elevator before the mobs even started spawning

[cyan portal]

Sure, but if you want to max dmg then applying max stacks is fairly central

[nocturne dust]

You saw my scoreboard from a while ago

[steel flame]

finished all of dark communion in 9 minutes

[nocturne dust]

You saw how significant direct damage can be

Stacks are good, yes, but the reality is you're not going to be perfect at sweeping.

[plucky flax]

I feel like it would

[steel flame]

now that the inferno staff has blaze away you can get the direct damage to hit 700 on crits

[clear heath]

It's usually a non-issue anyways. The sword is so long that ragers are actually easy

[steel flame]

its disgusting

[clear heath]

and you'd stagger everything else weaker than a rager

so you're free to just stab one

while they swing at the air because lol

[cyan portal]

It doesn't need to be perfect to be better.

[steel flame]

2 m1's still stagger ragers

from inferno then it becomes 3 m1s

[nocturne dust]

No, but it does need to be provable

[steel flame]

just imagine, if one day the devs goofed and gave the inferno staff the flamers m1 blessing that ignores stagger resistance

[idle valve]

im not familiar with psyker well. what is weave in relation to force greatsword, and assail weave?

[steel flame]

?

[nocturne dust]

It means constantly swapping to assail and using it, generally speaking

weaving assail into a fight is what meleeker/gunker does

because Meleeker is Gunker is Assailker

[idle valve]

whoa

there's alot more than i thought to the surface haha

[cyan portal]

Not sweeping applies dots in about a 20 degree arc, sweeping can apply the same dots in a 140 degree arc. Do you really think direct damage competes with applying up to 7x more dots?

[idle valve]

trying to help a friend out with psyker stuff. so unstable's really epic then if he runs assail and the idea is to just spam those till high and then swap off to melee?

[plucky flax]

Thats too hard I just press left click on big sword

[steel flame]

you can also hunt for comically low warp resistance on the force swords and press the special twice and have full peril

but yes as you are cycling, you can build peril with assail in between gun and melee to power up both melee and ranged with unstable and warp rider talent

[sturdy reef]

sometimes I even hold left click

[cyan portal]

I'm not saying you should always sweep, or only ever use min charge, just most of the time. When you're approaching a fight you might as well build up a full secondary, and then follow up with chained min charges. And if the targets aren't spread out you obviously won't sweep, but when you're surrounded you should generally be putting as many dots on as many things as possible.

[vocal tendon]

Is meleeker weaving assail during scriers gaze? Or is the peril gen make that a non good idea?

[ripe obsidian]

What is this min charge thing? Some purg mechanic I am too noob to understand?

[prime elk]

you want peril gen unless you're getting shit shoved up your ass

so yes assail weaving is a good way to do it

[vocal tendon]

Even during scriers gaze when its going up automatically?

[prime elk]

depends

when you just start, it's a good way to get your peril up so you can benefit more from warp rider

but later on, just focus on sustaining it

you should have crack of bone

so that'll help with SG sustain massively

[vocal tendon]

Can you reasonably keep up malefic momentum in sg?

[prime elk]

prob not for long... but do you need to? also prob not

SG is already insane damage

[cyan portal]

chained min charged secondaries will keep blaze away at 5 stacks forever

[wind spruce]

Of course, you only need one kill every 8s to maintain it

[ripe obsidian]

Is this better than just LMB spam? I often just throw LMBs into the crowd to suppress and stagger anything smaller than an ogryn

I'm debating setting up a quell cancel macro to make it easier to LMB spam

[cyan portal]

lmb spam has its uses, optimal stagger, not much else though

[ripe obsidian]

Usually I do it specifically to get the stagger

[cyan portal]

With nearly perfect micro you can maintain 5 stack blaze away through lmb spam to min charged secondaries and back, and even fit 1 tick quells between the lmb spam.

[ripe obsidian]

I am not that good, ha

[cyan portal]

Neither, but it is neat when it works

[ripe obsidian]

I'll play with minimal charge RMB in the psykhanium a bit

Tbh I don't know if I fully understand the role of purg in high havoc. Clear trash mobs and stagger bigger things. No real range outside of BB to get gunners.

Stand back, throw fire, throw bubbles

[cyan portal]

The rhythm you want is to slide during each min charge, it lets you get away with nonsense in the middle of a horde, or to suppressed a gunner pack as you close on them.

[ripe obsidian]

Yeah, suppressing gunner packs is an important one too

[cyan portal]

Kinda depends on your playstyle. I refuse to bubble so I play an aggressive frontline with shriek.

[ripe obsidian]

I prefer Voidstrike, but it feels not great in Havoc

So I am playing more toward defensive support. Problem is, people often get pinned down so I end up leading the charge with my bubble

So I guess I often end up placing bubble aggressively so we can move up and murder

[cyan portal]

I'm quite lucky in that my favorite build that I've been playing for a year and a half is suddenly a perfect fit for h40.

[ripe obsidian]

I also like Trauma, but I worry about screwing up my melee allies

[ripe obsidian]

That is lucky. I'm just being a meta slave in h40.

I'm really not sure I am good enough to do something else without weighing my team down

[gritty ether]

Question: do you guys dump mobility or cleave on the dueling sword?

[ripe obsidian]

Cleave, personally.

[cyan portal]

I think the bubble/yellow toughness meta will ease up a bit as people get more comfortable. Then we will start to see some more normal build sacrifing safety for killing power.

[ripe obsidian]

Gotta go fast

[ripe obsidian]

Hardest part for me is that if I make a single mistake, I'm at <50% HP instantly if there's no bubble or yellow health. And I make numerous mistakes.

Usually missing that there's a bruiser or shooter next to me

[stone spindle]

ayyy

Im running a scriars gaze build, wanted to ask advice on curios

Also I love this thing so much

[ripe obsidian]

Funny thing, though, is that I can fairly consistently kite and escape when a dozen crushers want my skull. Then I get bonked by the bruiser picking his nose around the corner

[gritty ether]

I run two toughness and 1 stamina on my SG Ammomancer, but I'm strongly considering swapping the stamina for a wound

[stone spindle]

I do like spamming the shove since I use the force sword, but aces

I will give that a go, ty!

[gritty ether]

np

[stone spindle]

what about the secondary stats on them

[gritty ether]

I run toughness regen and ability CD on all 3, and then sniper DR, gunner DR, and a third I haven't decided on yet (currently it's sitting as max HP)

[strong gulch]

For non-havoc play, 1 sniper resist and 200 hp is the general rec. It lets you eat a sniper shot and 2 bursters.

After that do what you want.

[stone spindle]

makes sense, ty!

[strong gulch]

If you never get hit by snipers, then drop the sniper resist.

[ripe obsidian]

What is the curio meta for havoc? Or is it just "doesn't matter, you're made of paper"? I've been using my same curios as in auric

[strong gulch]

I'm too goofy to not get sniped even when the game isn't on some bull.

[cyan portal]

I ran normal curios with gunner resist added, if you can almost survive being shot you can now actually survive being shot

[strong gulch]

I have no clue tbh. The only thing I swear by right now is CDR.

More HP seems good for accidentally stepping in goo.

[gritty ether]

I think the last time I got hit by a sniper was when I decided to charge one in melee and got mutie'd on the way

[ripe obsidian]

I need my emotional support anti-corruption Zealot for goo missions

[gritty ether]

or maybe I got netted

[cyan portal]

corrupt resist is nice on the goop mode

[strong gulch]

same 🙏

[ripe obsidian]

I might try CDR. 12% of bubble is like 3 seconds. Adds up when I am using it 80+ times a match

Right now it's just my usual toughness, health, gunner, toughness regen

[strong gulch]

I am flip flopping on gunner resist, but I have CDR and corruption resist.

Plenty of people are running their standard auric curios tho.

Curios are still rng af

[ripe obsidian]

It seems like most anything will work, because you're just gonna die if you mess up. The Holy Toebone of Saint Tim the Silly isn't gonna stop a reaper

[cyan portal]

on h40 if you make mistake your probably dead regardless of curios

[ripe obsidian]

This is my experience

[strong gulch]

I wish revive speed also worked on netted players and rescues from spawn.

[ripe obsidian]

I was going for True Survivor earlier, and my pre-made teammates and I kept taking turns being the only person to go down on each mission.

It's tough

[nocturne dust]

Just cycle bible reading time

[cyan portal]

my normal setup was 2x 17 toughness 1x 3 stam, with CDR, 5 toughness, and corrupt resist on all. Have swapped out corrupt for gunner resist, and on goop maps swap out 5 toughness for corrupt resist.

[nocturne dust]

Then you can make all the mistakes you like

[cyan portal]

I got True Survivor on my first 35 run, but only because crushers instantly deleted me and another player. No "downs" box successfully ticked.

[ripe obsidian]

I did try book Zealot on mid-30s havoc. It was kind of relaxing, comparatively

[ripe obsidian]

Wait, really?

It works that way?

[cyan portal]

apparently

[ripe obsidian]

That's so dumb

[nocturne dust]

Fatshark programming

[strong gulch]

[ripe obsidian]

I think I'm just gonna have to keep trying

[strong gulch]

Amazing that a death doesn't count.

[nocturne dust]

To be fair, the game is technically correct

Deaths aren't downs

[ripe obsidian]

Anyway, it is 2am and I have to pretend to work tomorrow. I am going to sleep.

[clear heath]

ok so the strat for true survivor is to corrupt all your wounds

[nocturne dust]

wounds remain the worst stat

[strong gulch]

-1 wound curio when

[fiery stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-nose-cryonic-daftered-blitzy-gif-24185121

[calm atlas]

keep upgrading or leave warp resist low for higher crit chance

[celest spear]

Now that it's been out for a bit, what builds are y'all finding most effective with the force greatsword? Loving the weapon overall but not quite sure how I should run my psyker as a whole

[terse saffron]

bro got 1 in a million and asks if its good to brick it

[calm atlas]

last time i asked when i first rolled it i was told to upgrade

is it that rare of a roll fk me

[terse saffron]

definitely keep it. if you want to try running higher warp res just craft another one

[onyx sentinel]

chat is spidey sense cheating

[celest valve]

if it only shows indicators for sound cues that you could pinpoint with locational audio no

otherwise yes(but i don't think you'll be banned for it)

[cyan portal]

it's an apparently acceptable amount of cheating

[celest valve]

i run uhhhh a collectable mod that shows an icon on the right side of the screen when you're near one(including heretic skulls)

[mental rock]

I don't use it, but I also don't blame others for using, especially with how often the game's audio seems to break

[celest valve]

but there's an audio cue already that gets louder the closer you are, so it just is a visual indicator for the sound already there

[cyan portal]

I don't use it mainly because I don't enjoy my screen being covered in a rainbow. And it turns out silent enemies aren't also invisible if you're looking at them.

[spice veldt]

whether it's cheating or not is going to be debatable as people argue about the threshold of what counts as cheating, but it does help, and whether you're comfortable with that is up to you

[celest valve]

oh, i don't use the spidey sense thing no. the audio usually works for me there so eh.

[tacit stump]

has psyker less boss dps when not brain burst or gunker build

[tacit stump]

get suplexed by a silent poxburster

[celest valve]

ok sometimes there are just poxbursters that dive bomb you from another level or something and I don't think even spidey sense would save you there

[cyan portal]

purga fairly respectable boss dmg, other staves stuggle though

[tacit stump]

trappers should be louder and have longer windup with more noise

annoying to get netted through a horde

or give them constant noise like hookrats

hears the rattling skulls

[potent echo]

Slap the boss with the giant sword

It's pretty decent

[tacit stump]

yeah i wield now the mk6 fgs

[potent echo]

Idk how long I can cope with fgs/void in havoc

Currently at 30

[late sapphire]

lol

[potent echo]

I flip flop between gaze and shriek, I think I prefer shriek

[terse saffron]

i dont see how that useless ui clutter can even be considered cheating tbh

[potent echo]

20 fucking ragers don't care about your gaze lol

[late sapphire]

i think the trapper nets should have limited cleave

a trapper should NOT be able to shoot through a wall of crushers

[potent echo]

Thicc

[tacit stump]

would be funny with no cleave
traps accidently friendly crushers and bullwarks

and flamers should do more damage to other enemies

like seriously they should toast pox hounds or mutants which hold us in the flame

[terse saffron]

flamer fire already pushes dogs off you

[tacit stump]

doesn't feel like it for me

[terse saffron]

its just not very useful without beefy hp pool to survive the damage ramp up while getting up

[late sapphire]

or zealot immortality

[terse saffron]

zealot already has a beefy hp pool without until death

[tacit stump]

psyker which hp pool

[radiant ice]

3 hp curios granting 26% HP each ftw

XD

[tacit stump]

double invest in hp on each curio?

[radiant ice]

Yup

21% +5%

(Normally a terrible choice for Psyker, but it’s part of a Havoc build)

At high havoc with three toughness curios you go from 60 toughness to a whopping 80

[radiant frigate]

powerful

[radiant ice]

I’d rather take the near 300 health

[stone spindle]

Help a gunner breathed on me from 6,000 feet away for .2 second

(A man who is now dead)

[radiant ice]

Have you tried not getting shot?

[stone spindle]

I keep trying!

(They figured out how to shoot me while sliding. I am in awe of these mad lads)

[strong gulch]

Help a groaner showed me their filthy hand.
(someone else who is now dead)

[radiant ice]

It is rough, they really overturned the gunners

The fact that a pack of 12 Crushers is like “Oop Crushers there”

And 4 random scabs with busted lasguns is “AAAAAAAAA”

[stone spindle]

I think what gets me is that the animation looks like it’s a wide spread

But the truth is that a gunner standing super far away is still mega dangerous

[radiant ice]

The increased accuracy and aggro range is the biggest problem imo

[stone spindle]

It’s not like vermintide where the ratling guns bullet spray is accurate to the visual, and thus being super far away from them makes you pretty safe

[radiant ice]

Completely unneeded

They buffed both those alongside EFL

[stone spindle]

I just don’t see the point of even trying to cover shoot against them right now

Sticking your head out for the .2 seconds to get a headshot still gets you stunned from losing all your toughness and then taking 50% of your health bar

And that’s with you trying to play safe like a cover shooter would encourage you to do. It’s a gas.

[compact cargo]

Spark heads

Does it work?

[lapis violet]

yes but why

i noticed i cant pop scab gunner heads anymore with headpop. something happen with that?

[compact cargo]

Possible breakpoint for havok

Very well let's give it a try

[summer prairie]

no, it hasn't been fixed

[compact cargo]

NVM let's stay where we are then

Second question spark heads
Does Quietude really work with all quelled peril?

Or just passive/r

[summer prairie]

all

[compact cargo]

thanks spark head

[upbeat kestrel]

Elite kills with empowered psionics will be done easiets with the brain burst yes?

[bold cape]

ep smite w/creeping flames kills everything thats not a crusher iirc, will get it done in one game
tho you probably shouldnt use it for the sake of your and your teammates' brains

[strong gulch]

As far as I know this still works. Choose EP, get EP stacks, don't use your blitz to keep stacks up, and kill elites with surge / EK staff's charged / RMB. IDK if you have to choose smite, but that's how it has been historically done.

Every surge/ EK elite kill when EP stacks are up should count. You keep stacks up because surge staff doesn't consume EP stacks.

[upbeat kestrel]

I only had bad experiences using smite on malice

[bold cape]

it scales infinitely with difficulty

[upbeat kestrel]

Ok thankd

[bold cape]

removes it completely from auric maelstrom

will get million+ dmg

[upbeat kestrel]

I dobt have auric on psyker yet

But histg damnation people were happy that i was using smite

And killed most things with my big sword

[tacit stump]

what do you think about gunker it feels like insane damage with no utility

[upbeat kestrel]

Change gun to sword and go ham

[tacit stump]

i use both

fgs and gun

[upbeat kestrel]

It has its place but it does not combo well with glugger or ammohungry vet

Bit then once in a while to get 2 staff psykers and lasgun vet so all ammo is yours

[radiant frigate]

i think it pairs perfectly fine

gun isn't the main weapon

[upbeat kestrel]

Its ia on gunker

[tacit stump]

for gunners and specials else shards and fgs

[strong gulch]

A gunker build is an assail build which is basically a melee build.

[tacit stump]

else i go staff on psyker if not gunker but no smite by me

[upbeat kestrel]

I dont like assail

It just feels off for me

[tacit stump]

throws natural healing crystals at your head

[upbeat kestrel]

No

The damage isnt there imo

[tacit stump]

buff assail and bb?

[upbeat kestrel]

Gonna do the penance for it and im going back to bb

Still 180 elote kills with it

[radiant frigate]

what, on assail?

[summer prairie]

I did 381k damage with assail in my previous game (bistol+assail+shriek)

very low

[compact cargo]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1037989388858175568/1314538430604247070/image.png?ex=6758c010&is=67576e90&hm=5f6d67440a8aa1f92933edbe7e8135e680307b1dbbf15d184a90a30e650d0a88&
I was allowed to cook

[radiant frigate]

it kills the hell out of anything smaller than a mauler

[tacit stump]

how?

[summer prairie]

Just throw them when you have some?

[celest valve]

havoc has a positive buff that increases grenade c ount right?

[radiant frigate]

perfect timing, malefic momentum, warp rider

[bold cape]

its either love it or hate it
i dont like it because i like it when my enemies fight back

[summer prairie]

DD too

[bold cape]

i spend most of my time in melee and hitting meatsacks that dont fight back isnt very entertaining

[tacit stump]

uhm i ment how did he got the numbers

[summer prairie]

Power DI, but it needs a manual fix for this version

[upbeat kestrel]

I use smite on OH SHIT situations not always

[bold cape]

yea thats fine

its just when people spam it or build around it with ep and creeping flames

[upbeat kestrel]

Stunning a pack of crushers is useful

[bold cape]

that removes a lot of the scramble and difficulty of aurics

[upbeat kestrel]

I have with ep on shield build

[bold cape]

yea that
that sucks

[radiant frigate]

ohboy

[tacit stump]

pushblock bullwarks with fgs is funny

[upbeat kestrel]

Creepong flanes is the blie fire on elite kill?

[celest valve]

oh. i don't think there are currently any sort of positive modifiers for havoc.

[radiant frigate]

creeping flames is fire on shriek

perilous combustion is the elite/special thing

[nocturne dust]

Not having blight is a positive modifier

[upbeat kestrel]

Then i dont have thay

[summer prairie]

they aren't being used yeah, but there's code for positive modifiers

[celest valve]

yeah but wouldn't you like a modifier that makes all your blitz abilities generate 60% less peril? :3

[summer prairie]

no thanks

[nocturne dust]

not really

[celest valve]

ok fair

[nocturne dust]

I have 0 trouble with blitz peril

[celest valve]

(for other classes it would give them 3 extra grenades)

[nocturne dust]

Make it make blitzes 10,000% faster

[upbeat kestrel]

4 nukes

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[clear heath]

i have smite and never use it

[celest valve]

yeup C:

bring a veteran with the right talent and give them ammo packs so you can just throw ogryn nukes nonstop

[upbeat kestrel]

Ogryn buffs when

[celest valve]

(if it existed)

[upbeat kestrel]

We can get 3 nukes on maelstorm

[tacit stump]

smykers overload

shards and bb you need to press per shot

[celest valve]

hmmm. also the venting shriek warpfire application is capped at 31 it seems instead of the 16 of staves and some other sources.

[nocturne dust]

No, they just instantly hit 100% and then get kicked out of smite

as it should be

[celest valve]

also the shout peril warp reduction is multiplicative with itself whuh

[nocturne dust]

The global cap is 31

Perilous Combustion also goes to 31

Inferno goes to 15 (16 on crit), and Trauma goes to 6

[celest valve]

yeah as a buff limit it should be absolute

[nocturne dust]

Melee goes to 12.

[strong gulch]

yip those are the correct sb caps

[nocturne dust]

Why do I have these numbers memorized?

https://tenor.com/view/pitch-perfect-set-fires-feel-joy-lilly-onakuramara-gif-16635200

[strong gulch]

Same 😭

[celest valve]

templates.psyker_weakspot_kills_can_refund_knife also this exists in the code. It exists. and this pains me

it is a 25% chance on weakspot kill to get a knife back.

it doesn't exist. but the code is there :c

[tacit stump]

make it every fourth kill instead

[nocturne dust]

Psyker about to steal from Zealot's stash

[celest valve]

local chosen_distance = math.huge lol disrupt destiny range

[nocturne dust]

I wish it wasn't

[tacit stump]

?

[nocturne dust]

Just pick the guy I'm about to melee 😔

[celest valve]

ok i think it roughly uses the 120 degree range where you are facing

it picks the closest enemy in that angle

[nocturne dust]

Yeh, they changed how it works recently

[tacit stump]

why not 90°

[nocturne dust]

It's nicer now

but still kinda bad at targeting sometimes

will pick random groaner hiding in a corner instead of one of the dozens of the horde actively in melee distance trying to kill you

[celest valve]

because the cosine of the angle between your view point and the enemy needs to be less than 0.5.

[tacit stump]

cosine?

[celest valve]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot_product it uses this

[nocturne dust]

math

[celest valve]

it basically calculates a line between you and the enemy, then checks that with your look direction to find all enemies within a certain angle of where you're looking

[tacit stump]

oh yes ... i mean i would like the cone to be narrower cause it would be more in focus then

[celest valve]

0.5 comes out to about 1.04 radians, or 59.58761 degrees of difference.

or 120 degrees from the leftmost region to rightmost region

[upbeat kestrel]

After school im going totry to farnout the assail kills

[celest valve]

this is flattened, as if you were always looking horizontally, so you can't cheese it b y looking up or down

[tacit stump]

i ment from 120°->90° so the cone would be more narrow and the enemies would be more in the middle in the screen by you

i use° for degree

[summer prairie]

doesn't it choose the closest one now

within that viewport

[celest valve]

yes

you also need line of sight to them

[nocturne dust]

I mean the patch notes mentioned that

but it really feels like that's not the case sometimes

[celest valve]

it's not! if you see an enemy from far away first before you see the upclose enemy, and the arcane code decides to mark an enemy then :p

[sterile vale]

Disrupt Destiny never targets groaners or poxwalkers

[nocturne dust]

It's definitely better then it was before

[nocturne dust]

sorry, brutes or whatever

[celest valve]

oh

[tacit stump]

random shooter in the corner

[nocturne dust]

They're all trash to me

[celest valve]

actually you don't have to have line of sight to them

they have to have line of sight to you

which is kind of funny

[nocturne dust]

[tacit stump]

i see elites through walls

[celest valve]

(this theoretically means that a veteran can troll disrupt destiny psykers with smoke grenades)

[celest valve]

yes, well, enemy line of sight can go through walls so intended

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, DD definitely still highlights through walls

[radiant frigate]

"if you look at me the voices tell me to kill you (and where you are)"

[nocturne dust]

"Muwahahahaha You can't hide from me."

[tacit stump]

is funny with bomber or sniper

[radiant frigate]

who wants to play "catch"?

[nocturne dust]

reminds me of:

[tacit stump]

plays gunker with longlas shooting through walls or assail around corners

[nocturne dust]

Bro

Imagine if Scrier's was cool and not just a damage buff

Imagine if it let you shoot through walls

[tacit stump]

void infused bullets neat

reduces your peril depending on peril/rof

[quartz barn]

Discount vet

[nocturne dust]

Honestly, they should nuke Vet's highlight ability because it would make more sense as Scrier's Gaze

Naming, Fatshark, naming

[celest valve]

ok so if the target is between 15 meters and 45 meters, then if they don't see you and/or you don't look at them for 5 seconds, POOF

new target selected

[tacit stump]

i dislike the sniper node by vet does not fit so well in dt and is near executioner stance

[celest valve]

sir this is a psyker chat

also it's decent imo, 8 meters is 'melee range'

[nocturne dust]

[celest valve]

if you're at the edge of coherency behind an ally, you always have that talent active unless the enemies move past that person

[nocturne dust]

We sure about that range? I'm pretty sure I had several instances today alone where DD decided my target was no longer kosher while they were in melee range

[celest valve]

...maybe? iunno.

[full kestrel]

what's the best mk of dueling sword?

[celest valve]

the one you like the moveset of

[nocturne dust]

4

The others are good, but 4 is great

[full kestrel]

kk

its the one I prefer also

ty

[celest valve]

if you 'tag' a target by hitting them, it seems like any death of them in 1 second will count(no weakspot bonus tho)

er

2 seconds maybe?

also it refreshes your stacks

(just booping them at all is enough to refresh stacks)

also i don't think they can be deselected as a target if they are currently attacking you or rather that resets the 5 second counter

Also it doesn't tell you this at all in the game! But the 2.5 second movement speed buff after you kill a marked target ALSO counts as dodging ranged attacks! :3

so kill a disrupt destiny target every 2.5 seconds and you are INVINCIBLE. to ranged attacks.

which is weird tbh but cool

[upbeat kestrel]

Can someone give a nice flamethrower staff build? Please and thank you

[inland ice]

blaze away

[upbeat kestrel]

Perks

The psyker skill tree

[nocturne dust]

I would much rather they make the movement speed consistent and for the full buff duration than have that dodging

[upbeat kestrel]

I have a meta staff

[nocturne dust]

EE is already on the tree.

and easier to proc.

[devout sluice]

You take top right 2 thingies at the start

Smite into cdr on kill

[nocturne dust]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d5f5cb5-afee-4f51-9393-b8429e8c6765/the-burning-man-inferno-guide

[celest valve]

what do you mean consi- oh, you mean for the full buff duration not just that 2.5 seconds

[upbeat kestrel]

Thx

[nocturne dust]

ye

[devout sluice]

Go crit aura and take 10%attack speed and the next one that goves you toughness and crit o soulblaze kill

[nocturne dust]

Speedker should be real 🙏

[devout sluice]

Then get bubble or venting shriek, bith are good for purgatus

[echo root]

Flak + Crit, warp res 60%

Put the two last points into you fav passive

[lapis violet]

heres what i run. this can run havoc up to maybe 20 or more

[devout sluice]

Then get 20% bonus on peril in bottom middle and get warp charges

Then get 20% bonus on peril in bottom middle and get warp charges

Make sure you get the 6 stack and soulblaze stacking upgrades

[nocturne dust]

To note, Havoc builds super differently from normal/auric

I would not take a Havoc build anywhere else

[devout sluice]

If you have leftovers do what you want with them

[lapis violet]

if it works for havoc, it will work for anything else

[nocturne dust]

It will work, sure

[devout sluice]

I would and do

[nocturne dust]

but working and good are two very different things

[echo root]

Yeah, but it's more defensive and slow compared to maelstorm

[nocturne dust]

Havoc is about surviving, Auric is about thriving

[lapis violet]

i used to run essentially this before havoc existed

[celest valve]

apparently there's a screen effect or something when you havve the post gunslinger stance 10 second linger

[nocturne dust]

[lapis violet]

what a hater

[celest valve]

also warp unbound talent actually lasts 11.5 seconds

(it's in addition to the normal 1.5s no overload effect)

[nocturne dust]

yes

[lapis violet]

and another one that i used to use whenever brainpop was in demand by my nervous system

[devout sluice]

You kinda trolling 2 talents

[nocturne dust]

now if only we had immunity to exploding before scrier's ended

so we couldn't explode prior to warp unbound activating

[nocturne dust]

Look, my guy, you're taking Battle Meditation and skipping out on Warp Rider. That's super because this is a pre-havoc build

[devout sluice]

Lol does it do that?

It technically ends with peril but it applies buff after?

[nocturne dust]

also no creeping flames is

[lapis violet]

battle meditation has saved me immense amounts of peril

and creeping flames is sus as fuck

even on purg

[nocturne dust]

yes, very short period where you can kill yourself

[mental rock]

creeping flames is not sus lmao

[devout sluice]

Lmao

[celest valve]

you.... .should?

that's a bug if it doesn't

[nocturne dust]

[nocturne dust]

been a bug for a while

[devout sluice]

You're sus as fuck

[mental rock]

creeping flames is significantly better than battle med

[lapis violet]

if you need creeping flames to kill things and get stacks well, you should get a better staff lol

[devout sluice]

Creeping flames on normal games oneshots horde

[nocturne dust]

bro, don't post advice if you don't understand a single thing about the game

Calling creeping flames shriek sus is like calling shout sus

[devout sluice]

It also ignores line of sight

And kills everything in a huge cone in front of you

[nocturne dust]

and of course, works with all soulblaze stuff for even more absurdity

[mental rock]

goes through walls, clears chaff without effort, surpasses the cap on soulblaze from staves

[marble crater]

https://tenor.com/view/bait-thats-bait-tom-hardy-mad-max-gif-5055384

[celest valve]

name = "Headshots kill grant stacking finesse dmg, until end of stance - 10% per stack/kill" i think psyker weakspot ability may be potentially far stronger than people know

[devout sluice]

Exactly

[nocturne dust]

It's well known the Precognition is good

[devout sluice]

People do know, but it's either gunker (personally i dont even know how anyone can play this yikes) or zap staff for lmb spam since it has finesse stat

[nocturne dust]

or voidstrike

[devout sluice]

Or

[nocturne dust]

[devout sluice]

Gimmick melee psyker

Voidstrike is good ye

[celest valve]

ok but ther's a difference between +30% finesse max and +250% max, right?

[radiant ice]

Not forget Dead’s unhinged slapping balls in the face of rotten men

You will offend him

[summer prairie]

well the name in the code is just wrong

[nocturne dust]

but yeah, most staves just completely ignore finesse for the most part

Inferno, Trauma, EK RMB only works sometimes

[radiant ice]

Yeah I don’t run it on my EK cause it felt iffy

[radiant ice]

When I take Scriers that is

[nocturne dust]

I only take scrier's for the Gunker is Meleeker is Assailker, or for Voidstrike

[celest valve]

there's also an unlisted 10% weakspot damage buff it seems

[devout sluice]

Never gunker...

[celest valve]

in stat_buffs

[nocturne dust]

I like Meleeker more now with FGS, but I still wish meleeker had reliable speed

[potent echo]

So uh is it doing anything

[celest valve]

        [stat_buffs.weakspot_damage] = 0.1,
        [stat_buffs.damage] = TalentSettings.overcharge_stance.base_damage,
        [stat_buffs.critical_strike_chance] = TalentSettings.overcharge_stance.crit_chance,
    },```

[celest valve]

That's the conditional_lerped_stat_buffs which is based on seconds since the ability was activated(which is modified by weakspot kills as well)

[nocturne dust]

Reality Anchor needs a buff

Make (non-voidstrike) staffkers good with Scrier's

[potent echo]

Reality anchor when unbound exists

[summer prairie]

@potent echo works fine, the "name" Nulldragon was referring to, which claimed it's 10% per stack

[nocturne dust]

I mean, it's nice to help keep Scrier's up longer... but of course it's super abysmal.

[potent echo]

1% is so insignificant

[summer prairie]

30% isn't when it's both crit and weakspot

[potent echo]

When do you get 30 though unless you go full meleeker

[nocturne dust]

gun

I don't get 30 on meleeker

[celest valve]

+1 second for every weakspot kill

[potent echo]

Weakspot kills though

[nocturne dust]

Crack of Bone is nice but not nearly enough

[radiant frigate]

why is it that whenever i join random party finder groups, it goes well, but when i make my own, i lose 3 times in a row

[potent echo]

Oh it's just duration from gun

[summer prairie]

I don't play SG enough

[nocturne dust]

Oh yeah, true But hard to kill enough of those guys before SG sometimes

Every time I activate SG I swear the targets just immediately get bashed by the rest of the team

Stop doing things people, I'm the main character

[plucky flax]

Maybe the problem is you

[potent echo]

Gaze meleeker is fun because FGS can't really generate peril, even with assail you can't really generate enough peril because of cotb

[nocturne dust]

You know what would be interesting, is if they changed Reality Anchor so that it makes SG take away peril instead of give it.

[radiant frigate]

yeah probably, i didn't clutch vs shooters flamers and mass armor

so we lost

[plucky flax]

I trusted in your big sword. You let me down.

[radiant frigate]

i didn't have big sword

i had pointy stick

[nocturne dust]

me hitting the funny charge button and immediately hitting 50%+ peril

[plucky flax]

Wow fake big sword enjoyer

[radiant frigate]

perhaps i should just go back to playing melee psyker

[plucky flax]

[radiant frigate]

and say fuck it to this flamer nonsense

[potent echo]

Yea but you don't want to waste essence either so

[celest valve]

also i don't think the crit chance or the unlisted weak spot damage lingers, the wording is confusing

[nocturne dust]

I can't hear you over me spamming the ability

[celest valve]

only the damage and finesse stays

[radiant frigate]

bigsword enjoyer but havoc sufferer

[potent echo]

Yea imagine if crit chance lingered ugh

[nocturne dust]

I wish essence didn't get wasted so easily.

Not charged yet but need the slice? Wasted. Hit by enemy while charging? Wasted. Not finding any enemies? Wasted.

[potent echo]

I hope the hotfix would fix some gimmicky stuff with FGS but nah

[summer prairie]

DD marked enemy seems to now change to the nearest valid target every 5 seconds even if you see the formerly nearest one

[potent echo]

I like the DD change

[lament sapphire]

What changed sorry

[potent echo]

It just works

[nocturne dust]

yes, that was my experience

[potent echo]

It more easily changes to whatever you are looking at

[celest valve]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/master/scripts/settings/buff/archetype_buff_templates/psyker_buff_templates.lua#L1232 so this stuff is weird and i am unsure if it's actually active.

[nocturne dust]

I like it but it's still problematic

[potent echo]

And nearest

[lament sapphire]

Instead of picking the one enemy on the opposite side of the room up two stories behind a wall?

Wow

[nocturne dust]

Sometimes it doesn't work right, but maybe that's a LoS issue

[potent echo]

It's easier and harder now

Harder because havoc encourages sticking together and I can't really run off solo anymore

So my DD targets get stolen more often

[lament sapphire]

I've been playing since the 5th and didn't realize they even changed it

I've been charging ahead like usual still with it hahaha

[potent echo]

I used to be an adventurer like you

Until I took 2 dreg stalker bursts in my back

Instantly dead lmao

[celest valve]

but basically it seems to be a function that is secretly on the weakspot talent for scrier's gaze. It is only active during scrier's gaze, and is a stacking buff up to 25 stacks with 10% finessee damage each stack?

[quartz barn]

This tbh

[celest valve]

but that should be verifiable as it should be visible on the hud

[lament sapphire]

I am irritated that the beastiary doesn't account for any of my 236k prior kills

[quartz barn]

Also i never targeted enemies behind walls for me?

[nocturne dust]

syllo just debunked that it's 10% per stack

[quartz barn]

If the target is far away you could always hit them cause you still have los

[lament sapphire]

It was so irritating sometimes to try to use. It would pick the furthest enemies away in the most challenging locations sometimes

[potent echo]

It's 1% per stack

[nocturne dust]

#psyker-class message

[summer prairie]

well he is talking about a different buff

[nocturne dust]

Oh, what

[potent echo]

Is that the secret buff during gaze or smth lol

[summer prairie]

I don't think so

[celest valve]

That's a seperate buff in addition.

[nocturne dust]

No, they mention the 'weakspot talent' which has to be Precog

[nocturne dust]

I dunno what you're talking about then, carry on

[celest valve]

i don't think it's actually active though because it does not actually activate the buff template, just confusing wording

[summer prairie]

I think that's just the base template and gets overriden by values from the talent

or maybe not active

[celest valve]

ah, yeah, not active as far as I can tell. I checked by a talent I knew was in the game and worked, the toughness on warp kills one.

[summer prairie]

Kind of weird you can now intentionally demote your havoc rank

[celest valve]

                buff_template_name = "psyker_toughness_on_warp_kill",
                identifier = "psyker_toughness_on_warp_kill",
            }``` which is this

[summer prairie]

no undocumented fixes/changes in the hotfix

well there's some zealot thing but don't think that's important

[radiant frigate]

come to think of it, I'm guessing the fact that we had 2 zealots no book no cleanse was a contributing factor

[tacit stump]

?

[summer prairie]

I guess you can demote your assignment but you still go back to your highest completed rank next week, if you for some reason want to roll different maps or play lower ranks

[celest valve]

        [stat_buffs.fov_multiplier] = 1.035,
        [stat_buffs.reload_speed] = 0.15,
        [stat_buffs.charge_up_time] = -0.25,
        [stat_buffs.stamina_cost_multiplier] = 0.75,
        [stat_buffs.sprinting_cost_multiplier] = 0.5,
        [stat_buffs.attack_speed] = 0.2,
        [stat_buffs.chain_lightning_jump_time_multiplier] = 0.75,
        [stat_buffs.psyker_throwing_knife_speed_modifier] = 0.25,
        [stat_buffs.smite_attack_speed] = 0.25,
        [stat_buffs.vent_warp_charge_multiplier] = 1.25,
    }``` also celerity has a *few* boosts for psyker ![stare](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/743217151107923979.webp?size=128 "stare")

[mental rock]

bout a few yeah

[tacit stump]

i think i gonna not touch havoc

[nocturne dust]

But it is new flashy thing

[celest valve]

the combat boost stim is apparently +25% damage, +25% rending, and 2/3rds of the normal warp cost lol

[tacit stump]

i want something similar to chaoswastes instead

[nocturne dust]

Lower Havoc is actually a lot easier than Auric

it starts at heresy difficulty

....actually it might be malice if you go sub 10 but I didn't

[tacit stump]

did you play vermintide 2

[nocturne dust]

I do too but we can't always have nice things 😭

[nocturne dust]

ye

[tacit stump]

running around as shade backstabbing monsters

sienna was second main after shade

thats why i am pysker main

zealot stealth is fun aswell though

[mental rock]

me as BH ulting the elf:

[tacit stump]

i prefer whc over bh

[celest valve]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/c3b51ce69a58f8d3164499b5ebeb8d28f949b083/scripts/settings/ability/archetype_talents/psyker_talents.lua#L644 also the cooldown reduction talent for knives also seems to give a small(5%) attack speed buff to the knives.

or hmmm.

5% every time you use the ability, 8 second duration, 5 stacks max huh.

[tacit stump]

do you think we get once something similar to chaoswastes

[mental rock]

maybe in 2 years

[jaunty tiger]

Roguelike mode

Make those shitty blessings be something you have to cope with on weapons that drop

[tacit stump]

gets deflector

[celest valve]

already pretty fast but since it lasts 8 seconds that could be a reason to always take the -30% cooldown talent on assail weaving? also means you should try and keep stacks high by throwing a knife faster than every 8 seconds.

[radiant frigate]

time to pick weapons that just work

like bigsword

[jaunty tiger]

Yea

And if you get stuff like warp slice you can think about optimizing it when you wouldn't run this normally

Or cry if they drop a lacerate haymaker mk3 knife on you

Fun all around

[mental rock]

choose random melee >get limbsplitter+all or nothing caxe >lie down and cry

[summer prairie]

psyker_throwing_knives_cast_speed isn't in the psyker_buff_templates so I don't think it's being used

[jaunty tiger]

Making trashy blessings try to do work sounds fun but maybe I'm just insane

[celest valve]

That's a talent name, not a buff name.

It's definitely in the psyker tree.

The buff_template_name it uses is psyker_throwing_knife_stacking_speed_buff.

[summer prairie]

I can't see any differece in testing

[potent echo]

I want a staff has a shotgun blast that generates 40 peril per shot

[summer prairie]

Kuli's guide also doesn't mention the cast speed being used despite it being very detailed and listing all the internal buffs and undocumented details

[jaunty tiger]

Use with warp unbound, spam 40 peril move at max peril

[potent echo]

Yes

[celest valve]

hmm. it's also possible it's disabled... somehow... oh.

[potent echo]

Or something that lets me get 100% peril within 2 seconds

[summer prairie]

Cool table by the way

[potent echo]

10

[celest valve]

ok so format_values is entirely cosmetic it seems, as it's not applied in the passive values to actually like... apply anything OTHER than the cooldown. And presumably the localization doesn't use any of that information ANYWAY.

[summer prairie]

well it doesn't take into account the flight time, but maybe if you are hugging the enemies

[radiant ice]

Exactly why I’ve been saying that the assail additional target node is ass

The regular cleave with peril node outshines it big time

[celest valve]

well that node didn't always exist :x

[summer prairie]

90% sure they didn't consider warp splitting affecting assail in this way

[radiant ice]

No, but it’s been a long, long time

And Assail has gone through 2 nerfs with that untouched

So… maybe?

[celest valve]

i mean one of the talents psyker has does literally nothing currently

[nocturne dust]

Not in Fatshark time

[radiant ice]

Which one?

[radiant ice]

True

[nocturne dust]

Not even a half year since warp splitting

It's definitely not safe

[mental rock]

the rending one

[radiant ice]

It’s still insane to me that’s not a long time for FS xD

[radiant ice]

Oh right enough, forgot about that

[mental rock]

and even if it worked it wouldnt be good anyway

[radiant ice]

What’s annoying is I sometimes still pick it in builds purely to avoid ER

Cause there are builds where ER harms it that use Warp Siphon

[shut jewel]

Nerfed or not, I like Assail because it's neat, though it could do with mentioning the whole needing to look at targets bit of how it works.

[radiant ice]

Assail when it first released was insanity

[mental rock]

like vets get a 10% rending node without requirements, how tf is 10% based on peril any good

[shut jewel]

Oh I know, Assail was absolutely bonkers on release

[radiant ice]

“Oh you wanted to kill something? Nah the Psyker can do that without aiming, enjoy the walking simulator fucknut.”

[shut jewel]

And frankly has been pretty strong the whole time, imo.

[radiant ice]

Oh yeah it’s still deadly even in high Havoc

Just at a reasonable horde slashing level

[celest valve]

https://github.com/Aussiemon/Darktide-Source-Code/blob/c3b51ce69a58f8d3164499b5ebeb8d28f949b083/scripts/settings/buff/archetype_buff_templates/psyker_buff_templates.lua#L2680 hmm. that does seem to be hooked up and seems like warp kills with the node reduces the damage to 0% eventually

[radiant ice]

Others can still play the game now xD

[shut jewel]

Great for shooter-heavy missions imo, it will dumpster most ranged enemies ez.

[celest valve]

but i haven't heard of that at all so

stat_buffs = { [stat_buffs.damage] = 0.04, [stat_buffs.warp_damage] = -0.04, }

[summer prairie]

huh

[celest valve]

that would theoretically mean if it does work like that that if you use the talent and do warp attacks alone you'd eventually debuff your damage by 20% lol

it's possible it's still nonfunctional in some way tho like negative values are ignored

suppose that's easy to test tho

[summer prairie]

Doesn't it only take stat_buffs.damage from it

[celest valve]

bluh

that is correct it seems

yeah just tested it ok then

[summer prairie]

Is it really buffing damage AND warp damage AND ranged damage AND melee damage, wouldn't some of those apply more than once to a single attack

[celest valve]

nah most of that is nonfunctional

also tests show that it is semi reliable to get 6 pierces with knife

true aim seems to only hit once per assail but I guess that's still a very high crit chance boost

[wind spruce]

Bring back multiple true aim charges from assail 😢

[weary crane]

This thumbnail has to be ragebait

Aint no way

[celest valve]

UH

[tacit stump]

tanner...

how is smite so low

and barrier oh boy

[wet cloak]

Smite needs to get buffed

[summer prairie]

assail strictly for fun

[weary crane]

DD overpowered

[celest valve]

yeah uh smite + EP can basically just negate gameplay completely

[tacit stump]

smite has its purpose but not worth spamming it

[summer prairie]

is the actual list the same as the thumbnail

[celest valve]

to the point where I went with an EP smite build not knowing how it was going to play, and literally just trivialized an entire damnation mission basically just flowchart of "horde? hold down smite until everything dead. Everything else? Shoot with electrokinetic staff."

[wet cloak]

That was my build before I went with the FGS

[tacit stump]

i would like bb and assail buffs

[wet cloak]

It was so easy to save my team from any situation

[potent echo]

WS strictly fun ok buddy

[weary crane]

The only S tier a prolly book and bubble because they are a must-take in havoc 40

[terse saffron]

does pus skin havoc modifier cut the brain rupture damage too?

[celest valve]

also minorly odd thing: cleave from peril psyker talent only improves attack cleave, not impact cleave i think?

[tacit stump]

ws isn't it the best node for vet

[celest valve]

i don't know if that matters tho

[potent echo]

how does he have 34k views

[terse saffron]

bubble is not nearly as necessary as people say it is

[lone ravine]

Yea iirc goes from 1 bb on a trapper to like 3

[tacit stump]

mayble some people who watch it and think wth and others could be noobs

[celest valve]

meh I can see the flat shield thing and assail in havoc maybe simply because assail does tend to focus on targets other people and weapons can deal with easily

[weary crane]

Have you played havoc 40?

Open ground with 100 gunners shooting ×2 with no toughness delay

[celest valve]

(aka flak, infested, unarmored)

[terse saffron]

i did, our psykers both had vent

[summer prairie]

Ok the thumbnail was a bait

[tacit stump]

was it fun?

[potent echo]

how does bubble help against that though

[summer prairie]

Carry on

[celest valve]

they're useful enough to listen to but you have to kind of filter everything also they can be kinda rude

[summer prairie]

The actual list is different

[celest valve]

while there is no toughness delay, there is a shield damage delay

lol

[terse saffron]

about as fun as if they had bubbles? books carried defences anyway

[potent echo]

bubble is going to be gone within 5 seconds then what

[tacit stump]

tanner is just weird

[summer prairie]

No, it was a bait

[rare knot]

Anybody have a good psyker build for support they would be willing to share?

[weary crane]

Tf you mean? Means teammates can shoot them without supression or being killed, just just provides just enough time to get to the next bit of cover over open ground

[rare knot]

I kepe getting fucked by special enemies and gunners

[potent echo]

yes do it without bubble

is 5 seconds really enough vs 100 shooters

[summer prairie]

6.6s

[potent echo]

you'll end running back to cover which you could have done without the extra safety net

meanwhile creeping kills the 100 shooters from behind cover

[summer prairie]

Not with hp buffs

[potent echo]

is 6 no longer enough to reach the BP?

[summer prairie]

Maybe

Haven't tried

[terse saffron]

have you tried addressing the shooter problem before you stroll up to said open ground?

[summer prairie]

You don't need the bubble, just easier with it

And shooters can drop and spawn behind you

[celest valve]

incidentally the flamer warp staff is apparently also counting as 'soulblaze', even if you kill with the direct damage

[terse saffron]

the only thing i didnt like is a dice roll if the foundry is going to spawn 6 gorillion stalkers/shooters mid event or its just going to be horde

[celest valve]

you can also just take a gun and shoot in their drection lol

[jaunty tiger]

I don't think bubble is mandatory (I would say chorus is as close to a mandatory ability as you'll get) but it definitely helps

Cause even peeking makes you take a shitton of damage when it gets real bad

6 seconds is enough to wipe out enough to make it safe enough to peek

[potent echo]

i agree that bubble definitely makes thing easier but idk about mandatory

[celest valve]

lmao also i found out why the warp attacks rending talent doesn't work at all

some derp added the warp_attack_rending calculation to _rending_multiplier in the damage calculation, but forgot to add it to the total rending_multiplier sum.

ooops

[potent echo]

is there a mod that spawns enemies with havoc modifer hp

[celest valve]

so yeah it could actually be fixed with one line of code I think :p