psyker-class

[thorn cedar]

Find the white dot.

[potent echo]

10 for 1st bar, 20 for 2nd bar

[north hatch]

Or like if you wanted to EP brain burst and venting shriek soul blaze could also stack it

[potent echo]

30 total

[mossy oyster]

yeah until you have a setup that lets you do this (after getting 100% from killing a boss)

[north hatch]

I don't think staves should

Thouh

[mossy oyster]

it would be so ridiculous to get a full bar off a boss

into instant room wipe

lmfao

difficulty turned off

[north hatch]

My main categories are 👍 👎 and 😒

[quick tulip]

I do that regularly? Lol

[north hatch]

And that's what I've sorted my games into

[quick tulip]

I see it like Salty's WP abilities being maxed after killing a boss: it just makes sense

[north hatch]

Salty WP?

[quick tulip]

Vermintide 2 stuff

[north hatch]

Oh

[potent echo]

Book bonk salty

[north hatch]

I got vermintide 2 for free

[quick tulip]

Great game

[north hatch]

I wanted to play it with some friends they said fuck no

And I cried

[quick tulip]

Get better friends

[potent echo]

Kekw

[north hatch]

They said and I quote "this shit is the biggest pile of ass you should end your life for even daring to suggest such vile games in my presence"

I may or may not be over exaggerating

[thick mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/moonlight-ludwig-bloodborne-gif-21829853

[potent echo]

Bet they play xdefiant

[north hatch]

Nah x defiant is even worse lol

[thick mauve]

Moonlight sword go brrr

[north hatch]

We play league and only league 😭

[potent echo]

My condolences

[quick tulip]

🤮

[north hatch]

Sob sob

[potent echo]

I exited the MOBA life

My life instantly got better

[thick mauve]

We watch arcane and only arcane

[north hatch]

Ok but also ngl I don't wanna buy like a ton of vm2 dlc

[potent echo]

vm2 is a grind before it gets good

[north hatch]

Brooo that shit was so good

[potent echo]

No point playing it now tbh

[north hatch]

I have only listened to arcane music

[quick tulip]

It's such a shame that Arcane is good because generally speaking video game based shows make me want to play the video gams

[thick mauve]

It was, very gud

[north hatch]

Not even for pvp?

[potent echo]

Turn back to clock to 2018 and it's the best thing ever

Pvp meh

You need to gitgud first though

[north hatch]

I still do think if they made it 3 seasons it'd be better but that is the tiniest nitpick ever and the people that were actually mad about that are over exaggerating

Like the pacing was still really good

[radiant frigate]

i think i would not recognize half of league's roster now

example: who the hell is "akshan"

[north hatch]

He is 200 years

[night zephyr]

empowered psyionics scrier EK empyric resolve build

[vagrant frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02xmqY7HlwE video finally live

[night zephyr]

Scrier EK I was meme-ing around with but now its getting to be a problem and too addictive

[nocturne dust]

wat is going on with your arms

[vagrant frigate]

someone drew me this

[nocturne dust]

is accurate, lol

[summer prairie]

well that was way easier

[plucky flax]

20x gunners with my infinite flamer pog

[summer prairie]

I didn't even see you had a flamer because I had the effects turned off

[vagrant frigate]

wdym

[summer prairie]

with the mod

[vagrant frigate]

about the "well that was way easier"

[summer prairie]

your purg build and other stuff

[plucky flax]

Is it the vfx mod?

Might download that to 'cheat' more.

[summer prairie]

it's I Wanna See

[nocturne dust]

Cheater

[vagrant frigate]

how did you not see my flamer if its my pov?

[summer prairie]

I mean we just played and AgentChaos had a flamer

[vagrant frigate]

wtf is that emote

[nocturne dust]

It's your emote

[vagrant frigate]

[gloomy magnet]

rat from da warp

[quick tulip]

close eyes
see Disrupt Destiny afterimages of outlined enemies

[vagrant frigate]

me irl

i see that shit in my sleep

this gamemode had me playing purg for the first time

tbh

[strong tapir]

dump stat for blaze gs?

[gloomy magnet]

shark destoryed everyons's eye

happy ending

[potent echo]

Warpres

[scarlet timber]

Wtf

Do I build on these swords again

I got shred and precog right now

[gloomy magnet]

at least you didnt see tentacles from da warp during sleep

[quick tulip]

Imo it's really up to you cause the damn thing's powerful enough as is

I do warp cutting and deflector, I'm sure some love wrath or whatever
Shred and precog are nifty

As long as it ain't soulblaze

[scarlet timber]

Okay

I also want to have surge staff build guys

What talents you run ?

[nocturne dust]

carapace/unyielding, blessings are... I mean I use wrath and deflector for havoc

but probably shred and riposte for aurics

[marble crater]

Very nice, do you have the build anywhere so I can steal it?

[vagrant frigate]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da611bf-3ad5-45ea-adad-c1688476fabe/hechs-havoc-lvl40-purg-bubble-build

[nocturne dust]

You mean warp slice? Cuz warp slice is pretty bad too

[marble crater]

Thank you

[quick tulip]

I like it, thanks

[nocturne dust]

We're allowed to like bad things

I like PF

[stark wave]

poop fuck

[nocturne dust]

but I wouldn't recommend it to others

[vagrant frigate]

it only works with at least one book zealot heads up

dont use it outside of havoc lol

its strictly made for the comp we were running and the mode

and -85% quell speed modifier

[nocturne dust]

y book zealot?

[potent echo]

Havoc assumes competent teammates

[vagrant frigate]

im jus saying my build i posted is havoc with chorus zealot

i call it book idk why

[marble crater]

The picture is a book

[nocturne dust]

book is normal name 🤷‍♂️

[vagrant frigate]

if i didnt have a book zealot i would need to take soulstealer

for toughness

[potent echo]

You don't?

[vagrant frigate]

nope

[nocturne dust]

I don't take soulstealer for toughness on inferno

[vagrant frigate]

strictly the gamemode

and team comp

worlds first baby

¯_(ツ)_/¯

i had no point to drop

[marble crater]

But good to know, mostly wanted to see if it's something I never played before, but this I can play. Maybe not in high havoc, but generally yes

[vagrant frigate]

strongly dont recommend this

for pubs

[potent echo]

4 traumas

What modifier beats 4 traumas

[marble crater]

Bosses?

[nocturne dust]

bosses

Havoc loves to spawn more than one at once

[potent echo]

2 ds4 2 illisi/FGS

[vagrant frigate]

we had 5

bosses

at once lol

2 scab captains, nurgle, chaos, plague

[potent echo]

Damn

[marble crater]

[vagrant frigate]

but that was on knife speedrun runs

[potent echo]

Thunderhammer meta??

[vagrant frigate]

for the penance of completing a ton of the havoc missions

[potent echo]

Oh lmao

[vagrant frigate]

so theres 4-5 per map id say

we just pulled it to the end event lol

[marble crater]

5 bosses at once would be a little crazy

[vagrant frigate]

goofy yeah

[nocturne dust]

Generally what I've seen is a scab captain spawning very close to a normal monster, and that generally means you get them together. I bet if you knew their spawn point triggers tho, you could lure one out and deal with them one at a time.

[vagrant frigate]

we found that they had set spawn points

it was always the same rooms

[nocturne dust]

yeah, they always spawn in the same areas

[vagrant frigate]

like not a normal boss trigger

[marble crater]

Maybe that's their living room and they attack because you broke in

[vagrant frigate]

literally though

[quick tulip]

Those admonition mfs got pretty mad when I broke their centrepiece for that stim feast

[vagrant frigate]

we kill a guy named "dikot"

its the bot

back for revenge

[left basin]

@near wyvern pugis, what is your verdict on the fgs

[vagrant frigate]

omg hey @feral verge long time no see

[quick tulip]

Dikot W, playing both sides

[feral verge]

Tidings bro

Enjoying havoc?

[vagrant frigate]

we played like almost 2yrs ago

yeah i think we got 1st completion

of 40

[feral verge]

Yee I remember it well

[vagrant frigate]

def the 40 + true survivor

[feral verge]

Based

[vagrant frigate]

very based

double book zealot

very powerful

[feral verge]

Me, arcotash, josho and Yoshi are on 30. Just started yesterday

Will prolly hit 40 today

[vagrant frigate]

ayy lets goo

[vagrant frigate]

https://youtu.be/02xmqY7HlwE?t=550

timestamped for you

and dikot

quite literally just his empty living room

[feral verge]

Hell yeah

[marble crater]

Leave the poor guy alone

[vagrant frigate]

it just took soooo long to get there, 40 isnt too hard

4 ogryn win is what im waiting for

[feral verge]

You're welcome to join us, if you want

[vagrant frigate]

feel free to msg me if you need a psyker

if im on im down

[thorn cedar]

this hosts only level up thing is pretty stinky

cause im only at 17 but ive played six yesterday lmao

[nocturne dust]

yep

[thorn cedar]

not entirely sure why they thought AN ENTIRE WEEK was necessary between level ups for everyone else

[vagrant frigate]

its complete bs

i cant do carries to 40 cuz i didnt host

[thorn cedar]

24hrs seem fine to me

[vagrant frigate]

i would love to help ppl

im literally on 16 or whatever they made the default

[marble crater]

Yeah I don't get it either, should update for everyone right away otherwise you can't really start your own groups for a week

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-fade-fade-away-disappear-evaporate-gif-16638726229780416323

[thorn cedar]

i can get not wanting to have someone cheese there way to 30+ as soon as the gamemode dropped

but AN ENTIRE WEEK?!

[nocturne dust]

I've been running with two groups and it's eviscerating me

[vagrant frigate]

i have to play with the guy who hosted my whole group

which is so dumb

[marble crater]

Well they can cheese it a week later, doesn't make a big difference, imo

[thorn cedar]

oh well they already know

[vagrant frigate]

i like him! its just annoying to coordinate

[thorn cedar]

i mean yea they could just cheese it in a week, but still

[vagrant frigate]

honestly thats fair

but they couldve implemented it better

[nocturne dust]

Yeh, it's a huge annoyance. It's sadly temporary enough though that Fatshark might just not fix it.

[thorn cedar]

i dont really care, same as it was for ASS

[vagrant frigate]

the fact that the host has to be there for all the levels

means the group cant play wihtout him

[thorn cedar]

like i care youre quitting my games like a loser but i dont care about stolen gamer valour or whatever

[vagrant frigate]

there isn't even valor

you gain NOTHING from clearing your specific levels

besides being able to host

[thorn cedar]

nothing ingame

but you know how G*mers are

[vagrant frigate]

you dont even get progress on the penances for "assisting" in havoc

[marble crater]

What

[vagrant frigate]

yeah, our host is still at like 20/50 completions

despite us all being at 50+

[marble crater]

[vagrant frigate]

host doesnt get any penance

[marble crater]

That's a bug, surely?

[vagrant frigate]

the penance specifically says "assist"

someone else with havoc

[thorn cedar]

i assist myself

[marble crater]

Otherwise... if you don't host, you don't get level until a week later, but if you host, you don't get penances?

[vagrant frigate]

yes sir

poor hosts

[marble crater]

I guess technically it's correct that they are being assisted, since they are the host, but...

[vagrant frigate]

[feral verge]

im the host atm

weird decision by fatshark

[vagrant frigate]

they specifically hate you

[feral verge]

once i get it i plan on helping around maybe level 20

[strong gulch]

Do they even know that's what they did?

[feral verge]

for ez wins for the penance

[marble crater]

Makes sense, I think he trolled me before so deserved honestly

[feral verge]

i am a good egg

[vagrant frigate]

honest opinions

[feral verge]

based

[marble crater]

I like it

[feral verge]

honest opinions

[vagrant frigate]

thats nice

[vagrant frigate]

i ask cuz tanner HATED IT

first negative feedback ive ever had on it

[nocturne dust]

[feral verge]

the opinions of tanner are highly questionable, from what ive heard

so you are safe

[vagrant frigate]

my guy is short so the feather is always in peoples faces

[marble crater]

Also nice

[thorn cedar]

"Oh geez its windy out. Better get my recycling bin. I'll just do it in my bathrobe." - Me, a fool

Fucken breezy snow out there

[marble crater]

[vagrant frigate]

the thing is, hes just as outspoken about stuff hes very knowledgable on as he is opinionated on

just very vocal

[outer jungle]

I'd choose different pants but looks sick as fuck

[vagrant frigate]

the pants are kreig recolor from the 1yr anniversary

the pants are the only thing i change up a lot

im kinda liking the new ones from havoc

[thorn cedar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1309939864795353098/image.png?ex=67529151&is=67513fd1&hm=84bc09c149853d12e16f2eb4e61ff1cf607d6398dd687a824049a314a8c88a51&

[vagrant frigate]

i have that chest

[thorn cedar]

the hat does so much work

[vagrant frigate]

the gloves are ugly in first person imo

[thorn cedar]

i kinda like em, reminds me of working in the aluminum factory lmao

[wind spruce]

Yeah it's kinda ironic that people are so blinded by his combativeness that they miss the really, really good takes he has

[vagrant frigate]

after playing 20 hours with him in the past 48, i like him

[thorn cedar]

I'm not blind to them, I just won't give him any credit.

[vagrant frigate]

aristotle thought slavery was a phenomenal idea yet we still listen to him

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thorn cedar]

It's like reading the correct answer to a math question but the "show your work" section is just one long rant about jewish liberals taking over the education system or some shit

[wind spruce]

Not really at all

[vagrant frigate]

eh its more of a rant about how noobs are uneducated

[nocturne dust]

who among us is educated?

[vagrant frigate]

none probably

[nocturne dust]

exactly, Fatshark won't teach us

We'd be too powerful otherwise

[vagrant frigate]

pant comparison

[wind spruce]

If you don't like his combative, inflammatory shtick you don't dismiss all his ideas out of hand. It's so blindingly obvious that a combination of youth, mental health struggles and marginalisation are a huge driver of his behaviour. It's asinine to feed into that by "not giving him any credit"

[radiant frigate]

i think tanner is great comic relief sometimes

[nocturne dust]

I like the brown kneecap one

[radiant frigate]

also I LOVE FORCE BIGSWORD

[vagrant frigate]

i hate it

[wind spruce]

WEEEEEE

It's so fun

[vagrant frigate]

i havent played with it

it reminds me of the stupid sword from destiny 1

exotic sword

that shot lightning

[nocturne dust]

I like big sword

I wish it was bigger

[radiant frigate]

sword goes slice slice bonk bonk heretics go skree

[nocturne dust]

Biggest sword for Ogryn

[wind spruce]

Slash slash slash dead horde, bonk bonk stab dead crushers, WHOOSH SLASH ANOTHER DEAD HORDE

[vagrant frigate]

does green go harder

[radiant frigate]

ogryn-sized greatsword when?

[vagrant frigate]

ehh no

[wind spruce]

Omg we on same page kat

[vagrant frigate]

it draws your eyes away

[nocturne dust]

Ogryn should get Force Greater Sword that is just a really dull thumper

[radiant frigate]

[left basin]

mix less colors, otherwise you end up rogue tradering in a bad clowny way

[radiant frigate]

ogryn should get an ogryn-sized chain greataxe!!

[left basin]

single color, or two colors

[plucky flax]

Up to 32 now things are starting to get tanky.

[radiant frigate]

oh real?

[plucky flax]

Me on zealot with ds4 poking things a thousand times.

[radiant frigate]

i have not played havoc yet

[vagrant frigate]

yeah this is peak

i dont see myself switching

the pants are better

[left basin]

pants are too dark

[summer prairie]

32 is higher ranged and melee attack speed and more melee damage

[left basin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-441666516964176409

[nocturne dust]

nah, they're fine

[vital hemlock]

Does anybody else have this issue with the staff?

[vagrant frigate]

how seirous is this

[left basin]

depends

[vagrant frigate]

these match

mf

[wind spruce]

Yeah there's four extra points for some reason if that's what you mean

[vagrant frigate]

my original pants matched too...

[wind spruce]

Same for everyone

[vital hemlock]

ah

[left basin]

but fr try and match earlier grey pants, maybe they're a similar shade and it might work better

[vagrant frigate]

they shouldnt be the same shade

[vital hemlock]

this fuckin annoys the shit out of my brain 😣

[vagrant frigate]

one is a trench coat

one is pant

[vagrant frigate]

me too

[summer prairie]

can you lose a havoc rank if your current rank is higher than the havoc you are playing

[left basin]

this specific trench coat is a uniform

[vagrant frigate]

with step-in pants?

[wind spruce]

Pretty sure you only lose havoc rank if it's your assignment

[left basin]

uniforms tend to have several parts

[nocturne dust]

Uniforms don't need to be a single color

[left basin]

and they also TEND to have a single color

[nocturne dust]

no

[left basin]

it's not a law, but it's something i personally like

[nocturne dust]

unless it's your mission and you fail maybe

[wind spruce]

I lost six of my own missions in a row this morning

[nocturne dust]

unsure what happens if you skip ranks on somebody else's mission and then go play your own lower rank mission and lose

[wind spruce]

Then we won two back to back

[nocturne dust]

well, lose 3 times that is

[wind spruce]

So I got exactly nowhere

[plucky flax]

Damn that's rough.

Blame teammates as always.

[left basin]

henlo kawos

[plucky flax]

uwu

[wind spruce]

Ofc

I had to clutch against a captain and a burgle

And then we still lost 10 min later

[plucky flax]

What's in the reward chests?

And how do I get? Xd

[wind spruce]

Cosmetics apparently

[summer prairie]

at the end of the week

[wind spruce]

End of week

[vagrant frigate]

dude, dorn clutched vs the same shit in havoc 40 and then people crashed and run died

[plucky flax]

Okay why not give me my presents now?

[vagrant frigate]

but also a chaos spawn

man is a beast

[wind spruce]

That's rough

[vagrant frigate]

someone tell me

which pants

[wind spruce]

I wanna see dorny play

Wish I was on us servers 😦

[vagrant frigate]

he has a yt channel

[wind spruce]

Link?

[vagrant frigate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9AAZARNB04&t=0s

hes using the wrong dueling sword here though

because that group haaates it

lol

[left basin]

blind witch penance raiment plays the best in my head

[vagrant frigate]

too skinny

goodnight

[wind spruce]

Because mk4 too strong?

Also ty

[vagrant frigate]

hes super super super good

[wind spruce]

Man fuck chasm station. I fully blame my 6 consecutive losses this morning on the fact that it was clandestun gloriana (spelling) and then chasm station

I love that map because it's rough but holy hell it was difficult

[plucky flax]

Isn't dorn from eu?

[vagrant frigate]

that was the hardest map

only map we ever wiped on

[scarlet timber]

Guys

[vagrant frigate]

chasm...

[wind spruce]

We got to the end of the tunnel twice and then died right before the end event

[vagrant frigate]

yep thats where we wiped on 38

or 37 or 39

whichever

[runic hornet]

Man, the brain drain on pubs is real

[vagrant frigate]

scab captain booped off map

[scarlet timber]

Can someone tell me what talent to go with if you running mark 8 force sword and surge staff ?

[left basin]

moebian 21st would be the best if they had a little little change to it

[wind spruce]

Get yo story straight

[runic hornet]

that or the newbie surge

I cannot get 3 good teammates on an auric maelstrom or just hi5s

it's 3 low true level noobs

every single time

[vagrant frigate]

this is what ive ran since it came out

and i think i will continue to

i dont like the skinny legs

the feed are HIDEOUS though

[scarlet timber]

Do you run distrup destiny with surge staff and skyriers gaze?

[plucky flax]

You mean the big sword? I think if you want to use big sword you should go right side.

Unless if it's a mainly surge build then go left.

[scarlet timber]

Oh okay 👍 tbf I omly got 1 skyrier build

What about smite?

[plucky flax]

Hmm then you're not using your bigsword.

If you are going to use smite a lot it becomes a smite build, so ep smite.

[scarlet timber]

Oh I see okay xD

[plucky flax]

I like bigsword with assails creeping flames and dd.

[scarlet timber]

I think then i won't use smite

[plucky flax]

After playing havoc, shooters in maelstrom be like

[scarlet timber]

But I think the horde clear

Big sword

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/bulletproof-archer-not-a-scratch-robot-invincible-gif-24172272

[scarlet timber]

Goes well with surge staff

So for

Perks guys

You go carapace/ unyielding ?

[plucky flax]

For surge?

[scarlet timber]

No

Swords

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah carapace unyielding to chop big guys.

[cosmic sigil]

he is one of us

[indigo creek]

what about warp slice?

with it you can cut a gunner horde in half

[plucky flax]

I need to learn how to play zealot bigsword it's so hard.

Slow weapon be like

[indigo creek]

#zealot-class

[plucky flax]

No I won't go there.

[indigo creek]

Fair enough

[midnight jolt]

I knew it

I play Zealot with big sword, is easy AF, feel unkillable

[outer jungle]

Commissary had just the pants I needed

[thorn cedar]

honestly relic blade is uh, sadly not all that great

cause ours are the literal greatswords 😎

but also seriously theyre effective enough but they arent fulfilling anything you couldnt already accomplish as zealot with a different weapon

vs our FGS being an entirely new thing for Psyker

[midnight jolt]

Why am I able to clutch with it if is bad? use it with the build pinned on the Zealot channel, feels kind of broken to me

[indigo creek]

at least the force sword is an absolute blast

[thorn cedar]

didn't say bad

[midnight jolt]

I'm running double barrel shooty and that sword, fun AF

[zinc phoenix]

So yesterday did an archivum scycorax havoc 25 and got the infamous billion gunners across a bridge with just some pillars + a double boss. That really sucked 😂

[midnight jolt]

I misread then, implied the wrong thing

[zinc phoenix]

We killed the bosses but couldn’t solve the gunners in time

[thorn cedar]

bullets are very scary

[zinc phoenix]

It especially sucks when the rest of the team is flamer zealots 😂

[outer jungle]

Same, almost feels like Weapon Spec on Vet with the right skills

[midnight jolt]

On Vet I'm running force sword and bolt pistol, I clutch with it as well

Vet has the nicest weak points skills so aiming right with the bolt pistol feels good

[plucky flax]

Martyrdom or momentum?

[outer jungle]

Manstopper DB with 100% crit is too much fun not to use for me

[midnight jolt]

This build exactly #zealot-class message

[outer jungle]

Also works with True Aim on Psyker

[zinc phoenix]

I think i will be unlikely to get much past havoc 25. I can get there but between pugging and my own skill issues I don’t think I’ll make it to 30

[plucky flax]

Martyrdom my beloved tho

[midnight jolt]

I haven't even started, reason is, I'm still maxing my weapons before I go there, I also restarted Darktide on Steam few months ago so my GamePass progress is bye bye

[summer prairie]

the team just needs right builds

[radiant frigate]

@upper sun i think your 500 pickaxes are making me lag every time i open ogryn inventory

[cosmic sigil]

Start doing solos then

[plucky flax]

Havoc does make you become better quite fast though I think.

There's quite a gap between maelstrom and havoc 25+

[zinc phoenix]

It surely does force you to play like nothing is permitted to touch you

[plucky flax]

At least when it comes to your defense.

[cosmic sigil]

Hope so because Maël with a good team is kinda boring

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah there is definitely more thinking going on about the need to trigger various things etc

[radiant frigate]

ogryn dead ona rrival in havoc i guess?

[plucky flax]

I am not ogryn player so I can't say.

But I'm sure with the right build and gameplay you can do it.

[zinc phoenix]

I saw a gunlugger with the new dmr do pretty good

[plucky flax]

Also team comp. With bubbles then ogryns can go in.

[cosmic sigil]

Jsat published a 3 ogryn 1 zealot Havoc 40

Yesterday

[radiant frigate]

powerful

[zinc phoenix]

Ogryns getting a book read to em 😂

[plucky flax]

Psyker bubble tho we cooking

Blaze trauma can still use buff btw.

8 stacks cap pls

[thorn cedar]

Havoc deffo reinforces the Psyker meme of "get hit twice too quickly and you die"

[runic hornet]

I swear

every player with a brain is doing havocs right now

[plucky flax]

What is this?

[thorn cedar]

A scoreboard

[plucky flax]

Oh for maelstrom I guess.

Since there are mats collected.

[runic hornet]

this was just a hi5s because the last maelstrom I saw pissed me off for some reason

I think it was lights out

[plucky flax]

Seems fine? 3 guys with good damage

[runic hornet]

no, they're poxwalker farming

look at specials/disablers

and also the boss damage lol

[plucky flax]

I dunno were you struggling?

[runic hornet]

https://tenor.com/view/controlmypc-cat-screaming-discord-gif-20582295

[plucky flax]

[runic hornet]

imagine a team that just has their blinders in

literally ignoring every taggable

[plucky flax]

More chance for you to shine fren.

[cosmic sigil]

That usual

[plucky flax]

You are being trained for havoc.

[thorn cedar]

more clutch opportunities, more gooder

[runic hornet]

fire and gas, everywhere, because infinite bombers of both kinds

[plucky flax]

I'm so sad my surge staff is nuked in havoc

[runic hornet]

because no one is dealing with them except me and I cannot be everywhere at once

also huge puddles of flamer fire because fun fact if flamers actualy get to rev up they absolutely carpet he world in fire

[cosmic sigil]

I hope doing my first havoc soon. I don't wanna lose my lvl 16 and grind

[thorn cedar]

are you even really playing darktide if your heart isnt breaking against your chest and your eyes gloss over like a opiod addict?

[runic hornet]

every time I rotate sides I just come back and the groudn is like

https://tenor.com/view/community-chaos-chaotic-fire-gif-17636558

[plucky flax]

When do you play? I can play your levels.

Up to 20 though is quite easy since it's still 'heresy'.

21+ is when it starts to get a bit sus. 30+ is another jump

[ripe obsidian]

Which staves are good? I've seen Trauma mentioned for CC, but no others.

[cosmic sigil]

You're talking to?

[plucky flax]

Trauma and burga.

[plucky flax]

YOU! If you want to play havoc we can later.

[runic hornet]

What's wrong with surge in havoc

[ripe obsidian]

Burn the heretics, got it.

[cosmic sigil]

Ah ok! I have just done the Maël for Havoc

[runic hornet]

is it just the fact that some enemies have massive range resist or what

[cosmic sigil]

Too Much work rn

[plucky flax]

I'm eating lunch now can play in some minutes

[cosmic sigil]

I am on the way to Italian school

[plucky flax]

No everything is too tanky and you have low quell speed. So surge playstyle can't be done properly

[cosmic sigil]

4h of intensive learning

[ripe obsidian]

Eating lunsj at 8am? How absurd.

[cosmic sigil]

I'll be on tonight

[thorn cedar]

Spaghetti alla Educatione

[plucky flax]

Also you need bubble so no creeping flames spam

[runic hornet]

Oh, there's a quelling speed penalty as a modifier?

[languid osprey]

What about void staff?

[cosmic sigil]

If I play zealot we can play whatever lvl

[plucky flax]

Me brexit land

[plucky flax]

Yeah hidden modifier

[cosmic sigil]

Vet too

[ripe obsidian]

I know you're European. I am being sassy.

[patent steeple]

brexit land? you mean "Eurodivergent"? 🤔

oops, commented on the wrong message... (but it was from the intended user so who cares)

[plucky flax]

Suffer the same fate. Enemies have increased hitmass so you can't cleave through them. That's why infinite cleave from trauma and burga are op

[ripe obsidian]

I want to go back to Europe and not return. D:

[runic hornet]

...burga?

[languid osprey]

Gunker it is

[cosmic sigil]

Bro Italy has not been nice for my diet

[plucky flax]

urgatus

[runic hornet]

pf

[plucky flax]

Gunker works up to a point but there's reduce ammo too. So vet and zealot might need them

[languid osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/wizard-cat-meme-gif-17396803421661564880

Average purg run

[ripe obsidian]

Voidstrike feels kinda bad in general this patch. Can't cleave through shotgunners, gunners dodge the slow projectile, charge time takes aeons.

[runic hornet]

Depends on the gunker
Recon gunker who uses it to tactically apply 12 infernus stacks is pretty good

[thorn cedar]

wdym italian diets are perfect

[languid osprey]

THEIR PROBLEM vs my SUPERIOR MIGHT

[runic hornet]

about not demolishing ammo supplies

[thorn cedar]

everyone loves waking up to a bottle of olive oil and dried bruscetta

[marble crater]

Maybe because they got fat from eating too much

[thorn cedar]

and a cigarette

[cosmic sigil]

I may have tried to benchmark tiramisu and gelate

[radiant ice]

Anyone elses sound absolutely shitting itself since the update?

[thorn cedar]

lmao

[radiant ice]

Constant screeching and static

[ripe obsidian]

No screeching here. Only silent crushers coming to ruin my day.

[cosmic sigil]

Have you verified your files?

[thorn cedar]

just stick to the napoli and margharita pizzas and youll be fine

[cosmic sigil]

Might help

[radiant ice]

It's my entire 4 man squad

All since the hotfix, but yeah tried that

[thorn cedar]

dont make the mistake i did, which was discovering the deliciousness of carbonara

[cosmic sigil]

Too late bro

[thorn cedar]

i miss europe

north america is a wasteland of gastronomy

[languid osprey]

This should be bannable im so hungry right now

[thorn cedar]

well put pop tarts in a cheap duncan hines cake mix and call it cuisine

[cosmic sigil]

[cosmic sigil]

Fusion food

Melting shit together

[thorn cedar]

god that pizza looks tremendous rn

i want a breakfast pizza

[plucky flax]

Smol pizza?

Don't think that'd fill me

[zinc phoenix]

I did bubble assail with a guy doing burger shriek and we cleaned house, very effective all the runs were super smooth even when we were duoing 😂 I kept his booty clear and gunners away and he did the burgering

[cosmic sigil]

Regular size. And I had suppli before

[zinc phoenix]

All carnival stuff tho so very burger friendly

[plucky flax]

Yeah bubble is a must pick now if there's psyker

[zinc phoenix]

I agree it’s absolutely mandatory

[plucky flax]

Havoc shooters

[zinc phoenix]

I’m working on a vet build that is lasgun smoke psword because obviously DR does nothing 😂

[plucky flax]

Lasgun might fall off

[acoustic isle]

Having reached auric modifier on havocs last night with the new gunners

Oh yeah

They fucking hurt

[zinc phoenix]

I’m hoping shocktrooper will at least keep it up

[plucky flax]

I think plasma for the big cleave to get specials at the back

[cosmic sigil]

7 is good

For shooters

[fallow meadow]

Plasma is good. Charge lasgun is just sad.

[languid osprey]

I think its time we get a new staff too

[cosmic sigil]

So said path

[acoustic isle]

Me keeping warp siphon stacks up so i can always pop shield has been saving so many asses

[thorn cedar]

we were also hypothesizing smoke grenades yesterday

shooters are just that scary

[azure karma]

What's the strat with DB gunker? I tried it and I was pretty ineffective

[fallow meadow]

New magic will be great but is there anything more lore things they can pull?

[cosmic sigil]

A bunch of Havoc 30+ I know were in fact advocating for it

[thorn cedar]

im sure someone has pointers but tbh psyker makes the least good use out of the DB compared to Zealot and Vet

[plucky flax]

I think if there's a vet you also kind of want to go left side for ammo aura.

[cosmic sigil]

Build diversity so nice

[azure karma]

What's the vet strategy then? Because I tried with vet also lmao

[cosmic sigil]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[thorn cedar]

Yea I'm just happy we have to be considerate and coordinate our builds now

[thorn cedar]

WepSpec Keystone, Manstopper

[plucky flax]

Weapon specialist for guaranteed crit on swap. Then take the cleave blessing on shotgun

[azure karma]

No scattershot?

[thorn cedar]

Don't really need it imo

[languid osprey]

I mean its magic bullshit so like anything goes

[thorn cedar]

You get a free crit off a melee kill

[azure karma]

So man stopper and what?

[thorn cedar]

Sort of sustains itself

Uh anything you want really

[cosmic sigil]

Manstopper and death

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve seen people going grenadier smoke it’s 🔥

[thorn cedar]

DEATH

[cosmic sigil]

You don't need to reload too

[zinc phoenix]

I mean in AM it’s ass but in havoc it’s 🔥 😂

[azure karma]

O

[cosmic sigil]

Because you wanna take always prepared

[azure karma]

So we just leave anything at long range to the rest of the team?

[zinc phoenix]

I mean insane take but the big appeal of Kant 12 or whatever is called rn is it can dome shooter. But plasma - smoke spam - voc - weapon spec with Rashad feels like it could have legs

Or bistol maybe because it’s a good mix of range and cleave

[abstract forge]

psyker chat
look inside
veteran builds

[acoustic spade]

some day we'll get the Molten Beam-power from Dark Heresy TTRPG

[thorn cedar]

or a colt 1911

who knows

[radiant ice]

I'm having a real debate about running ER on my electrostaff Havoc build

Those 2 points to get it can be way better used elsewhere, and the toughness penalty is especially tough with the new gunners

But 40% peril reduction on the electrostaff is a lot

[summer prairie]

"havoc_duplicating_enemies", I guess this isn't used yet

[radiant ice]

Nurglings confirmed?

Kill one and it splits into two

[celest valve]

imagine that on infested

[upper sun]

you havent deleted them yet?

[summer prairie]

I think it just makes every enemy split, maybe like the v2 mutator

[runic hornet]

"tzeentchean twins" was the BEST modifier in vermintide

actual comedy

Kill an enemy->it splits into 2 weaker enemies in the hierarchy... to a degree

kill a special->spits out 2 berserkers

https://www.reddit.com/r/Vermintide/comments/pyr21t/tzeentchian_twins_be_like/

[thorn cedar]

the higher up you get the less your perils will quell for speed

so you are more and more going to be operating within the last 20 to 10% of your perils meter

which means you only care to reduce your perils far enough to successfully cast whatever magic youre using

now im a fucking freak, but to me mind in motion is just the play

[runic hornet]

ehhhh, quelling without mind in motion is okay if you're good about whiping your camera 90 degrees and just using side dodges

[thorn cedar]

i dont have to do any fancy bullshit and i can quell and keep up at any time

even midfight

[runic hornet]

but it saves you tons of mouse-flicking

[radiant ice]

Hmm, with the reduced rates of HP and Toughness

Is it more worth in Havoc running 3 Toughness than 2 Toughness/1 HP?

[thorn cedar]

dunno yet tbh

[radiant ice]

Since hitting breakpoints is a thing of the past anyway

[plucky flax]

I'm on 2 toughness 1 hp atm

[thorn cedar]

stamina seems way more valuable

[radiant ice]

I really don't need it tho XD

[echo root]

No stam?

[plucky flax]

I never run stam

[summer prairie]

put stamina on your weapon, breakpoints also not a thing for your weapon in havoc

[radiant ice]

I have like 6 Stamina and 30% block efficiency just from running KD and Greatsword

[echo root]

At least you don't run 3x toughness regen

[plucky flax]

If it works for you it works.

Don't judge others too harshly

[thorn cedar]

(it does not in fact work for u)

[echo root]

I judge heresy with a fully charged Purgatus

[thorn cedar]

also im a barista, judging is all i do

[radiant ice]

I just wish I had three 17% toughnesses, only got 2 and a 16%

[echo root]

That 1% won't save you from all the barrels

[radiant ice]

It's OCD

I have to even have my perks lined up the same

Or it bugs me tf out

[plucky flax]

@cosmic sigil did you say you're free to play now or later?

[echo root]

Respectable setup, I'd drop 1 gunner res for stam regen

[radiant ice]

I had at first, but really wasn't worth it in Havoc

[echo root]

I'm thinking about putting back 2 gunner res now that they wreck havoc

[radiant ice]

New gunners and no grace period

And our regen as Psyker is nutty anyway

[plucky flax]

I don't think gunner res matter in havoc.

If you get shot you die. Xd

[summer prairie]

you probably die anyway yeah

[radiant ice]

It matters massively

[summer prairie]

I just run health toughness

[radiant ice]

48% resistance to gunner damage is great

[acoustic isle]

The no grace period is the killer part i think

[summer prairie]

I'm in bubble or dead

[plucky flax]

When my toe is 1millimeter outside of the bubble

[radiant ice]

(For Havoc, feels like a noob trap in normals)

[acoustic isle]

Hence why ive got cdr smite and warp siphon

Shield is on reflex then smite

[echo root]

Setting foot in Detroit

[plucky flax]

Tru and real.

[radiant ice]

I use wall of bonk

[celest valve]

always be slidin

[plucky flax]

Or philly?

[echo root]

I thought it was always sunny there

[radiant ice]

Cause stopping melee getting into the corridor your Ogryn is crying in, really helps

[plucky flax]

I heard a lot of bad people there.

As in high crime rate and such.

[echo root]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-always-sunny-gif-26054360

[radiant ice]

I find bubble is more a crutch for bad teammates, with wall being way more solid in a coordinated team

[thorn cedar]

bubble really needs its rework more than ever imo lmao

[runic hornet]

everything I've seen from havoc screams that bubble is literally a neccessity, because shooters are omegabuffed

[abstract forge]

Specifically bubble for havoc or is wall workable too? I feel like I’ve seen people here being elitist and saying that bubble is for noobs or whatever (in non-Havoc contexts)

[summer prairie]

wall it not workable

[thorn cedar]

good teams arent even using it to block gunners theyre just running up and putting it on them like a dinner bell to delete the projectiles

its really lame

[summer prairie]

maybe on some maps if your team has godly communiation

[abstract forge]

ah, shame

[radiant ice]

Bubble just goes pop instantly with no value near 30+ Havoc

[summer prairie]

it always lasts for 6.6 second

[runic hornet]

the weirdness comes from the fact that the shield deltes projectiles coming from the inside

[radiant ice]

Wall doesn't and blocks melee waves

[acoustic isle]

People will be elitist about anything lol. I'll run bubble and i'll run it proud lmao

[echo root]

I thought bubble had grace time between losing charges

[abstract forge]

true..

[summer prairie]

and if you are staggering shooters with e.g. purg, it lasts longer

[runic hornet]

why does it do that.

[echo root]

If not it would get instantly deleted by a single reaper

[thorn cedar]

ye it needs to be changed

You block more damage by not blocking any damage at all

[runic hornet]

throwing the bubble ONTO enemies to neuter them like a smoke grenade is absolutely goofy

[acoustic isle]

Come to the thunderdome boys. Plenty of volts and greatsword to go around

[thorn cedar]

It's nonsense lmao

[radiant ice]

Oh bubble is amazing, I just feel it drops off hard around Havoc 25 with the new gunners

Where as wall maintains the value better

[thorn cedar]

wall and bubble have the same HP pools

you get two walls

[radiant ice]

But wall gets shot less

[thorn cedar]

yea

[acoustic isle]

It's just that bubble can get shot more yeah

[radiant ice]

Stray rounds are forever hitting the bubble

It's lucky to last 3-4 seconds on Havoc 25

[summer prairie]

dude

[thorn cedar]

but bubble has its goofy projectile deletion mechanic

[celest valve]

I think what they are saying is that shots from inside don't exist and don't damage the bubble.

[summer prairie]

i just said it always lasts for 6.6s

even if you have 10000 elite gunners shooting at it

[acoustic isle]

I specifically use it on reflex to give more room to get to safety, block more or stop that trapper that snuck in

[thorn cedar]

so it works best if you dont use it to block shots and instead close in and drop it on enemies with you inside it

very silly

[radiant ice]

Wall has loads of hidden mechanics too

[acoustic isle]

And yeah dome on top of gunners

Run in

[radiant ice]

If someone is grabbed by anything, hitting the enemy with the wall immediately staggers and releases them

[acoustic isle]

Force sword

[thorn cedar]

oh that's not secret

[summer prairie]

specials hitting the wall make it disappear faster too

[thorn cedar]

that's a node lol

[ornate hamlet]

GAMERS

[thorn cedar]

yea rn the specialist wall damage is bugged

[ornate hamlet]

It has happened

I am not changing my curios anymore

[thorn cedar]

so its better than it should be

[echo root]

https://tenor.com/view/david-brent-the-office-ricky-gervais-thats-it-done-gif-12202083961184619139

[radiant ice]

Oh yeah but I mean more the whole actively dropping someone even if the special doesn't run into it

[thorn cedar]

MUCH better

[radiant frigate]

perfectly balanced

[ornate hamlet]

Actually do we have 15% toughness curios?

I think I want one so I can keep all 3 perks at tier 4

I am not done yet, gentlemen

[celest valve]

17% toughness

[acoustic isle]

Pretty sure it goes to 16 or 17 right?

[radiant ice]

14% to 17% is the range

[ornate hamlet]

The quest for idiotic minmaxing continues

[radiant ice]

So you can get 22% extra per curio

[acoustic isle]

I love my slot machine slop

[ornate hamlet]

I don't want 22% extra, I want the same value

[warped river]

Whats the ebst build for Psyker now

[ornate hamlet]

[radiant ice]

The one you have the most fun with

[ornate hamlet]

I'll look for a 15% so I can put 5% toughness

[warped river]

Ahh yes, me smiting and smitingmore while shooting more electric

[ornate hamlet]

EXCEPT THAT ONE

[radiant ice]

Are you playing normals or havoc?

[acoustic isle]

Entirely subjective and depends on what metric you quantify best with. And that isnt me being pedantic

[warped river]

Damnation and HAvoc

[radiant ice]

I have a lightning staff build for each, and the staff is way more team friendly than smite

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-14969906419403202204

[warped river]

Come

[acoustic isle]

I pray the day the psyker suicide bomber build is a viable one lmao

[plucky flax]

This mod is good to reduce vfx but not completely disable it. Just found it.

[summer prairie]

I'll get that yeah, the other one is a bit too muhc

[radiant ice]

There actually is one

[acoustic isle]

Oh i know there is

[radiant ice]

And it's fairly reasonable for Auric Mael, wouldn't take it to Havoc though

[acoustic isle]

It just doesnt seem all that wise to use lmao

[radiant ice]

Well yeah, suicide bombing is typically not a good strategy for long life in general

[acoustic isle]

Now that the node exists for critical perils not killing you

[ornate hamlet]

It's in the name, right

Bombs are dangerous for you, so people who handle bombs live a shorter life

[acoustic isle]

Bombs are great for your health friend whatever do you mean?

Gets you your 100 virgins faster

[marble crater]

Nobody ever said they would be ones you are attracted to

[worn juniper]

Emprah say bombs good for the fighten

[abstract forge]

thank you slab

[acoustic isle]

https://tenor.com/view/fighterz-dragon-ball-z-dragon-ball-dragon-ball-super-android-16-gif-5089270227566749283

[marble crater]

Slab? This is the psyker chat

[worn juniper]

Anyytime boss

[radiant ice]

Hrmm

30% quell speed

Or Cruel Fortitude + Empathic Evasion

[warped river]

Is there a mdoi to auto uate mods

[radiant ice]

Vortex I suppose

If you install through that instead of manually

[patent steeple]

hmmm... I wonder what blessings I could pair with Momentum on mk6 FGS for a SG meleeker build...?

Warp Slice is good, but I almost never get max charge for it before everything is dead, while Riposte and/or Precog are not all that useful in my eyes because the dodges are kinda bad on the FGS, even with 80% Defences, and Mettle is per attack so Shred does not seem all that useful either...

I could use deflector, but I feel like that's not a good idea when my other blessing is momentum (2 defensive blessings on the same melee does not seem smart)

[radiant ice]

Wrath

[warped river]

Do I need to update forHavoc ? i still have the mods from UnL

[plucky flax]

Okay I admit this is pretty based.

[radiant ice]

Wrath on FGS makes it insane, couldn't go without it

[radiant frigate]

mutie jousting returns

[acoustic isle]

Personally riposte with wrath has worked good for me

[radiant ice]

It's the "Fuck yo armour and the guy behind you's armour" blessing

[acoustic isle]

Even if the dodges arent great

A dodge is still 20% crit chance

[radiant ice]

Riposte is nice, yeah. I like it too

But going without Wrath feels like insanity, it's playing perfectly into the swords strength

[acoustic isle]

And even if it's simply dodging little guys in a horde

[radiant ice]

You can go without Riposte

[acoustic isle]

You're still crit cleaving

[radiant ice]

(As amazing as it is)

[plucky flax]

But it's kinda hard to play.

[acoustic isle]

Mind you im using the mk 6 and mainly elite killing

Horde clearing being secondary

But you get them 20 essence stacks pretty quick

[thorn cedar]

There is no bonus cleave on crit

[acoustic isle]

Never said there was lol

[thorn cedar]

crit cleaving sounded a lot like that

[acoustic isle]

Crit from dodge with bonus cleave from wrath

To be more clear

[thorn cedar]

its a very persistent piece of misinformation and i dunno where it ever came from

cause they sound wooshier i guess

[acoustic isle]

Ok i will choose my words more carefully next time

[thorn cedar]

ive been swapping between riposte and shred personally, havent decided

[patent steeple]

hmmm... but now where do I put my last skill point into...? it was previously in Warp Splitting, but now that I have Wrath on the mk6 FGS again, idk what to put the point into...

my only considered options are:

• Warp Speed
• One With The Warp
• Mind in Motion
• a -5% peril gen node...

[thorn cedar]

one with the warp

[plucky flax]

Do you use assails?

[patent mango]

mind in motion is 🔥 definitely does something probably?

[patent steeple]

yes, because laspistol would run out of ammo too often otherwise imo

[plucky flax]

Then keep warp splitting for more cleave on assails.

[radiant ice]

Both

[thorn cedar]

wots ur tree

[radiant ice]

Wrath + Warp Splitting

Embrace the fuk u of the crowd

[zinc phoenix]

I’m doubling up on assail cleave with the assail cleave trait and warp splitting and imo it’s worth it

More cleave more gooder in havoc

If I weren’t clutching so hard to riposte for the extra crits for EE I’d probably go back to wrath too

[radiant ice]

The assail cleave modifier sucks

[zinc phoenix]

But it stacks with warp splitting no?

[radiant ice]

It's +1 target and there is a cap at 10 iirc

Warp Splitting hits 10 on it's own

[zinc phoenix]

But only at high peril

[summer prairie]

I haven't seen any evidence of a cap

[zinc phoenix]

Most of the time I’m firing assail off at low peril then diving into melee at high peril to quell with crack

[radiant ice]

I mean I only use assail with Warp Unbound, those 10 seconds allow you to throw all 10 shards and kill up to 100 peeps

[summer prairie]

also since warp splitting helps the cleave (or reduces enemy hitmass), it must mean it's based on enemy hitmass and havoc have higher

[radiant ice]

If you have warp splitting

[thorn cedar]

negative, Assail uses a flat number of targets instead of hitmass

[zinc phoenix]

I’m using it with bubble so that’s a no go 😂

[summer prairie]

warp splitting only modifies enemy hit mass

[thorn cedar]

which is why i wonder if Warp Splitter's Assail interaction will be fixed

[summer prairie]

it does nothing specifically for assail

[thorn cedar]

because it strikes me entirely as unintended

[summer prairie]

so it can not just be target based

[thorn cedar]

its only target based

[patent steeple]

ok, here's my FGS melee build for those who were curious

[summer prairie]

ok then warp splitting can't work

[thorn cedar]

but it does

[summer prairie]

yes

[thorn cedar]

which is why i dont understand it lmao

[summer prairie]

so you must be wrong about it

[radiant ice]

Also, thoughts on Havoc modification of my lightning build?
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da7040c-cc93-464d-ab80-71eb198a4acf/wall-lighting-havoc?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[thorn cedar]

no, thats just how it works dude

[summer prairie]

one of them is wrong

[thorn cedar]

it boosts the flat amount by the % gain of warp splitter

[summer prairie]

both can't be right

[thorn cedar]

even though it doesnt use hitmass

[patent mango]

why do so many people skip combustion with fgs

[thorn cedar]

why? because it does

[patent mango]

its crazy good lol

[radiant ice]

It is good but difficult to work in, in some builds

[patent mango]

on the special slash combustion does work

[patent steeple]

#psyker-class message ok, so I think the current argument buried my build, so I am just going to link it with this message

[radiant ice]

Etheral Shards sucks big time

[thorn cedar]

you could drop the +15 toughness beneath warp rider

[radiant ice]

I'm sorry but I just can't get behind it XD

[patent mango]

oh god oh no i forgot to patch mods

[radiant ice]

Drop Etheral for Perilous Combustion, since you already have Warp Splitting which even at 10% peril outshines Etheral

[patent steeple]

I am too used to having that much toghness tho...

[thorn cedar]

we did just get more

[radiant ice]

So literally first shard is slightly worse, every other is massively stronger

If you did nothing but stand still and cast assail

In actual play, every shard is just way stronger

[thorn cedar]

I still think you want Ethereal

it boosts both numbers

[radiant ice]

Perilous Combustion then also buffs both the shards and the sword

+1 is tiny compared to what PC would do for the build

[patent steeple]

I hate soulblaze with DD, because it hides the outline of the DD target too easily...

[radiant ice]

It's still an insane damage boost, especially with the sword

Or if you snipe a special/elite that's around a horde

Remember that PC in Auric and Havoc retriggers for each special

You can stack rooms worth of Soulblaze from a single arc attack from the GS if it hits a patrol

Or from a quick 3-4 shard throw

It's just too good to go without in most builds on Auric or Havoc

[cosmic sigil]

Later. This evening

[thorn cedar]

Just play more, tbh. Eventually this stops happening.

[near wyvern]

The only reason we got more is because havoc reduces it, otherwise we would have none

[patent steeple]

hmmm... what about Souldrinker on the build...?

[thorn cedar]

Like actually none? It did seem pretty severe lmao

[thorn cedar]

Souldrinker is pretty stinky.

[radiant ice]

It's pretty bad

I mean it has value in some builds with a spare point left over

[near wyvern]

I don't think toughness stacking is good for havoc. HP seems to be the way.

[thorn cedar]

It's alright if you are struggling severely with Toughness and are using loads of Soulblaze, but to me it still sucks because it doesn't refresh itself.

[pine shore]

souldrinker is not good. Just get soulstealer, it's enough + it's better

[thorn cedar]

You have to let the +5% crit bonus run out before it can proc again

[radiant ice]

But even then it's main competition is another toughness node

[thorn cedar]

So the uptime is super inconsistent

[patent steeple]

I use it with Blaze Trauma for more crit, but that's it...

[near wyvern]

Well not exactly none but at 23 I had something like 70 and it gets reduced even more at higher levels so pretty close to none.

[radiant ice]

Mettle is just better Souldrinker

[pine shore]

Not worth, just get +15 toughness or whatever

[teal copper]

Ok so what is your opinion on both marks of the blaze greatsword? I've noticed a very significant attack pattern on one, the mkVI, being the thrust attack which is amazing at doing a big amount of damage to armored and unyielding.

On the other hand, the mkVIII has better access to CC, but does less damage overall to most armored when using the overhead heavies. That being said, what is your preference?

[thorn cedar]

No very much just two different nodes tbh

Mettle is definitely better but I would never compare them

[radiant ice]

I debated that but I have reasonable Toughness DR

[near wyvern]

You can read Atheneum for my opinions

[radiant ice]

I'm flipping between HP/Toughness and a mix, so really struggling to decide

[thorn cedar]

At high Havocs you're going to be sitting at like 70-80 toughness and enemies will be hitting you for 100+ with all of their attacks

You basically only get to use it as a Gromril proc

[radiant ice]

I do notice I can survive more with Toughness stacks, but when needed the health clutches more

[broken carbon]

do you know about the mk8 stab

[radiant ice]

Gromril?

[thorn cedar]

Vermintide 2, sorry

A single free hit

[teal copper]

Thats exactly what im talking about

[thorn cedar]

Is all toughness will be good for

If you take two hits you probably just died

[near wyvern]

At high havoc the only defense you have is active. Get hit and get chipped no matter the amount of toughness DR you have. So HP should be the way as either you have 100% toughness or you don't.

[radiant ice]

Ahh that makes sense

Only floating around 25 atm

24-25-24-25

Damn demotions

[broken carbon]

wdym?

[thorn cedar]

Stamina maxxing is I think the way to go but I've not exhaustively run through anything yet

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t but I certainly notice there are a lot fewer specials to trigger on in havoc

[summer prairie]

I think assail having hit_mass_override makes it consider all targets to have 1 hit mass but warp splitting still modifies that hit mass

[radiant ice]

FUCK

[broken carbon]

the mark 8 force sword only has the stab on its PA into heavy

[radiant ice]

I dismantled some curios yesterday cause they had stacked up

And now I only have two 21% HP ones

I'm such an idiot

[thorn cedar]

Maybe that's it, idk what's going on inside the script to make it happen

[radiant ice]

Accidentally got thrown in the pile XD

[thorn cedar]

But Assail is stupid strong already and now it also hits twice as much shit lmao

No damage fall off either

Very gross

[broken carbon]

psyker? being stupidly strong?

say it ain’t so

[thorn cedar]

assail? overpowered??

[fringe garden]

Listen, we pay for our power by being made of paper

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah but if things are too far away you get shredded waiting for the shards to hit 😞 I’ve been doing more ducking

[thorn cedar]

I never wait nor assume, I toss it and run

If you right click it WILL hit the thing you marked at least, but the left click, you can only guarantee itll hit the thing your crosshair is on if you stare at it

too many times i tossed out an assail shard that will totally stun that trapper for me oh shit where did this net come from

[radiant ice]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da7040c-cc93-464d-ab80-71eb198a4acf/wall-lighting-havoc

Thanks for the input!

[zinc phoenix]

Yes I know how assail works 😂

[thorn cedar]

then why wait around for it to land, u got business to do. warp business.