psyker-class

[cyan portal]

Where/when did you get that?

[strong gulch]

Pure fecking luck. Brunt pitied me.

[cyan portal]

the rotating shop?

[clear heath]

wtf

[strong gulch]

Oh lol sorry. It was from the grey shop. Brunt's armoury.

[clear heath]

How much peril does it build?

[strong gulch]

good question

[cyan portal]

have they increased the max value of greys he gives?

[clear heath]

actually i guess it doesn't do that much if 60% warp res is already almost 40% and the max is 61%

[wind spruce]

It's like 6% peril difference

[strong gulch]

I empowered it to 460. WR started at like 6 and the next lowest stat was like 56 or something.

[cyan portal]

ahh ok

[strong gulch]

Oh gotcha. I was gonna check.

[cyan portal]

I need them to raise brunt to 400 max rating so there is a chance to get a 0 80 80 80 80 again.

[strong gulch]

Ummm lol wtf. The peril didn't show up for like 2 seconds after I hit the FGS special.

[clear heath]

oh 8% difference

I guess i won't bother aiming for it until i'm rich enough

I only have like 1 mill

[eager token]

does dumdum stay active with melee weapons out

[strong gulch]

Yeah. 1 mil will be gone so quick if ur stat hunting like that.

[clear heath]

my luckiest low warp res sword is my deimos with 40%

left me in poverty

[eager token]

honestly considering a ghost + empathic evasion build for havocs

[clear heath]

I don't blame you
Havoc ranged enemies are fucked up

[eager token]

not sure if worth dropping dumdum for ghost tho

or if this is good to just proc empathic evasion forever

ghost is prob better nvm

[clear heath]

I wish i could reorder my loadouts

gonna remake 6 of my builds just to shift one of them to the left

oh wait i can just keep copying the loadout until it's in the right order

[sturdy reef]

anticipation will also increase the dodge timing for this so it is actually pretty good

[clear heath]

shit i need a 3rd 17% toughness curio

[mellow quail]

bet

[spice veldt]

anticipation doesn't interact with that

[clear heath]

been running 2x toughness and 1x hp for so long

...

[spice veldt]

what anticipation does is increase the "linger time" of the i-frames of your spacebar dodges, and it doesn't interact with empathic evasion/ghost/etc.

[eager token]

same brother

20 and 16/17 over here

[clear heath]

the hp breakpoint no longer matters to me because of the -35% hp thing in havoc

I just want more toughness now

[sturdy reef]

I see

[eager token]

is that a modifier?

[jovial scarab]

vs 2xtough 1xstam?

[eager token]

who needs stamina with KD + FGS

[lone ravine]

permanent hidden modifier.

[eager token]

on god i never noticed

[clear heath]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3375980903

[lone ravine]

along with a max of a flat -45 toughness

[jovial scarab]

im still using the tazer bonk

[clear heath]

this is so fucked up

also, wtf

[jovial scarab]

staff psyker be laughin

[lone ravine]

the staff psyker in question:

[jovial scarab]

no ammo, no prob

[hollow current]

queel speed is nerfed too

[lone ravine]

yo ass better be meleeing

[zinc phoenix]

ok this stupid build actually workin https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da61e5d-d8de-41c7-90fe-cf6545351908/fgs-assail-bubble-dd

[jovial scarab]

well scheiße

[cyan portal]

does anyone know if that is quell tick rate, or peril tick amount?

[zinc phoenix]

i cant stress enough how much i would not run this in an AM 😂 havoc only

[clear heath]

wait it says base toughness
so that's before curio increases?

that's fucked up

[lone ravine]

Enjoy your ogryn base toughness of 5

[clear heath]

no wonder they buffed psyker based toughness

[jovial scarab]

enjoy your -30 base toughness effectively

[zinc phoenix]

blessed i love meleeing

but yeah it seems like the last level is just "you get no abilities and have to just melee everything also there are a million baddies"

[muted grove]

oh so the dueling sword movement tech was patched, dangit

[jovial scarab]

butterknife too?

[muted grove]

im new, i have no idea what that is 😦 just found a video on moving quickly with dueling sword to see its been patched

[jovial scarab]

seeing a zealot csgo surf halfway across the map with the combat dagger frustrates me sometimes

[prime elk]

balancing around havoc

[clear heath]

Understandable
We're all doing wacky shit to grab scraps of survivability for havoc

[haughty star]

i don't even want to pub rn lol

this is fucking dogshit

[clear heath]

My FGS + EK Staff build for havoc so far is...

[nocturne dust]

Damage is now the dumpstat

[clear heath]

havoc has left me a broken man

i am now a bubble believer

[nocturne dust]

*shot

[zinc phoenix]

assail bubble with burgatus shriek made for some very smooth runs is all im sayin

[nocturne dust]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1313803542196391936/elmopsyker.gif

[clear heath]

amazing

[zinc phoenix]

any of the regulars hit 30 yet?

[clear heath]

I know some people have mentioned it

[zinc phoenix]

im still at clearance 23, couldnt find a higher group to glom onto 😂 but actual at 21 so thats nice

people are so bitchy about who gets to start the mission in this system

[clear heath]

Maybe syllo and agentchaos have reached it by now? I played with them this morning for 27

[zinc phoenix]

yeah i screwed up twice in the 28 attempt 🤦‍♀️ my vet play is not good enough for havoc

[pulsar hazel]

Might have to bubblemax myself

[clear heath]

I had to play support zealot and got my ass carried
I was not ready for how cancer havoc pox gas was

[muted grove]

if i am running asail with heavy laspistol and want to try something new, whats a good build to try to mix it up?

[zinc phoenix]

honestly i dont think toughness damage reduction does anything in havoc

my vet had i kid you not like 150

[haughty star]

so many fucking console scrubs and ancient players returning rn

[zinc phoenix]

and i was dropping like nothing to a few shooters

[haughty star]

aids

aids

aids

imma take a break till the squad reassembles lol

[lone ravine]

Shooters just have annoying dmg buffs

[jovial scarab]

ive started putting on 1-2 corrupt resist for my curios

pox gas sucks so bad

[zinc phoenix]

well with psyker i can mostly deal with them via loads of crits into EE

[clear heath]

It was pox gas with the pools of corrupting acid on kill

so much corruption

no space to move

truly horrifying

[zinc phoenix]

yeah... i will probably swap all the toughness bits on my curios for corruption resist pretty soon 😂

[clear heath]

Both the ground and the air was corruption

[zinc phoenix]

fatshark pullin out all the stops to get us to go for support abilities

[clear heath]

beacon of purity was putting in work

[jovial scarab]

crowd control meta incoming

[lone ravine]

Beacon of purity new meta

Real

[zinc phoenix]

i believe

i feel like BoP + bubble + purgatus is pretty legit

as a team comp

i fully loaded assail + was edging for warp splitting and that did some nice work on the hordes

[jovial scarab]

Nomanus is pretty decent at dealing with ragers and gunners from my experience, and the alt fire can kill crushers and stop bursters half decently

but yeah BoP and bubble are a dream to have on the same team

[zinc phoenix]

i dont know the new words for the staves 😂

oh surge

[jovial scarab]

electrokinetic force staff mk VI

[zinc phoenix]

yeah the guy who switched to purgatus was playin smite surge before but when he saw it was pox/dogs/no lights he switched 😂

oh and i think blight too

[jovial scarab]

hrm

alt fire usually can stun dogs alr

no light is always a problem

[fiery wigeon]

surge staff is good for dogs if its normal amounts of dogs

[zinc phoenix]

abnormal amounts of dogs only plz 😂

[jovial scarab]

if not normal amount, smite is there but yeah i get your meaning

[ornate hamlet]

wait is there only 1 bolter gun or am I trpping

cuz I thought there was regular bolter and then heavy bolter

[zinc phoenix]

there is bolter and bolt pistol, bolters little brother

[jovial scarab]

psyker doesnt get spearhead

[fiery wigeon]

tbf full on packs is agony for basically everything except vraks and smite lol

[ornate hamlet]

ah i mean in the context of veteran

[fiery stratus]

theres a bolt pistol and a normal bolt gun

psyker doesnt have the bolter

too op

[zinc phoenix]

assail shreds em too

trauma

bolt pistol cleans up

[fiery stratus]

bolter=normal boltgun

[zinc phoenix]

flamer roasts and toasts the dog herds

[fiery stratus]

everyone just calls bolt pistol bistol

[fiery wigeon]

bristol ❤️

[jovial scarab]

ew, britain

[ornate hamlet]

ah ok

[zinc phoenix]

bistol weapon specialist vet is always fun

i saw another vet using smoke 😂 i think it might be havoc meta

[azure karma]

Hand cannon and surgical for revolver right?

[zinc phoenix]

"fuck damage i just want to live" seems to be the sentiment

[fiery wigeon]

did they tweak smoke this update?

[ornate hamlet]

anyone got a build for bolter vet? Vet chat is dead

[zinc phoenix]

havoc just makes gunners and shooters that scary

[fiery stratus]

@azure karma The ADS revolver yes

Zarona

[fiery wigeon]

damn

[zinc phoenix]

sorry wrong reply

[fiery wigeon]

if using agrippina best option is to switch back to zarona

[zinc phoenix]

i think you can just slot it into a standard voc vet

[ornate hamlet]

is numericUI and chatblock okay to enable again in my loader

[fiery wigeon]

[ornate hamlet]

voc?

[zinc phoenix]

voice of command

[sturdy reef]

shout

[fiery wigeon]

RAHHH

[zinc phoenix]

i know there are some funky executioner stance builds for bolter to avoid having to draw it

[sturdy reef]

I have one of those

lol

also its slow reload

[fiery wigeon]

does exec stance skip the draw animation

[ripe obsidian]

If you update them, yes.

[ornate hamlet]

do I have to download it again?

[zinc phoenix]

its so rare for people to actually mald in chat

[fiery stratus]

My game crashed twice while trying to do Auspex, something mod related.

Look at my loadorder, if anyone has these theres a possibility it could happen to you too

[fiery wigeon]

cant type hands reserved for incredible violence

[zinc phoenix]

there was a guy in one of my games a few days ago saying the same thing and that he couldnt use relic sword or do auspex because of it

[mental grail]

Barrels are so fucking annoying in this game

[inland berry]

is the mk8 heavy damage at all comparable to the mk6 heavy damage?

[fiery wigeon]

tru

[willow escarp]

the numbers are in-game

[lone ravine]

You still have access to the thrust heavy after push shove

On mk8

[lyric atlas]

whats the best blessings for a great sword

[lone ravine]

Wrath and personal choice

[lyric atlas]

and can someone help me understand how it works? like the block knocks down? and it shoots fireballs when its full?

[lyric atlas]

deflector seems strong?

[inland berry]

why don't they have block slash data lmao

[lone ravine]

Kills build up energy, energy decays when not in combat, two different tiers of energy buff the special attack dmg and falloff

Energy is entirely consumed on special activation

Also it goes through walls

[split lance]

not one tick of warpfire stolen

[jovial scarab]

for surge staff, i've been using shock maul for horde/mutant control but it doesnt feel all that great, any suggestions? FGS feels like it requires a lot of upkeep to work

[gritty tree]

Can anyone give me assail + shield build for support style psyker? Need it for havoc

[flat moat]

Does a heavy attack change the behavior of the beam on the heavy force sword compared to a light attack?

[spice veldt]

heavy attack only affects the direct hit of the swing

the wave that comes out will be the same regardless of whether it's a light/heavy

[runic kiln]

assail > shield > warp charges(bottom left keystone),
focus on elites and specials when you can. i run void strike staff but the voidblast/trauma is good as well. melee is preferential but something that can do some armour damage is always good

[gritty tree]

I mainly wanna kill regular shooters, cuz emperor's light is no joke

They are by far the most threatening enemy

[eager token]

yeah i'm experimenting with ghost + empathic evasion + true aim right now cus shooters hurt at 20+

[inland berry]

how far do you need to invest in warp charges?

[eager token]

and las pistol lol

maybe recon las is better

[eager token]

psychic vampire is good if you can reach it

warp battery is great but not necessary imo

[flat moat]

the push strength on the hfs is crazy

[lone ravine]

Fr

[mental grail]

hfs?

[eager token]

[gritty tree]

which is better, warp siphon or empowered?

I don't play mush psyker

[clear heath]

wait, 150 base reduced by -35% is 97.5
10% from talent tree increases that to 107.25hp
sniper does 122.5 damage...
fuck i'm still not free from taking a sniper perk for sniper breakpoints
But now it's to stop a 1 shot instead of a 2 shot

[flat moat]

Heavy force sword, you can bully crushers with it

[eager token]

pus hardened skin + moebian 21st is nuts

[cyan portal]

if you spam ult then battery less good. if you take the peril resist left sub node and sit on ult forever then battery gooder.

[eager token]

-85% vent speed

[fierce frost]

What builds are yall running with FGS? Is it the centerpiece, or just for a specific part of your build to shore up weaknesses? What do you guys think the weaknesses are for FGS, and what synergizes well with it?

Ive been theorycrafting for what feels like hours now and cant decide on how to build with it

[prime elk]

SG is the shit with FGS

[inland berry]

Im trying to keep it as the centerpiece

[prime elk]

and yeah same

[spice veldt]

i run FGS as a centerpiece, but I don't shy away from using assail

[prime elk]

i don't think FGS makes for a great sidearm

if you're running it, it should prob be the focus of the build

[eager token]

i just use assail to pump my peril up and get MM stacks and go to town

[inland berry]

personally I like bubble for the survivability, i'm just trying to figure out how to keep assail and also have the dome on short cooldown

[sturdy reef]

warp charges

[mental grail]

Real

[prime elk]

i really think going just all right side is the way with FGS

besides havoc maybe, but havoc is kinda its own thing

[jovial scarab]

psykinetic's aura is always good, though hard to pick along with assail...

[mental grail]

This is mine, I use the Mk 8

[zinc phoenix]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da61e5d-d8de-41c7-90fe-cf6545351908/fgs-assail-bubble-dd

[mental grail]

gunker

[cyan portal]

Have been having fun with https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d9da1cb-d42f-4bba-878e-541a8bbe82f9/2h-fs-theorycraft-melee-psyker . FGS is main weapon, trauma comes out when 5 stack true aim to apply sblaze and soften things up. Runs 80-100 peril pretty nicely. Smite is pure pathing.

[gritty tree]

Thank you

[fierce frost]

Do the Soulblaze talent end up giving much toughness?

[prime elk]

not worth if PC is the only source of soulblaze imo

[feral juniper]

Havoc is honestly really fun in the early ranks

[prime elk]

(why is this node on the right hand side lol)

[zinc phoenix]

this ive been running it in the mid 20s and its been doing ok

[inland berry]

hmmm

ok

time to follow my heart

first i need another fgs

[zinc phoenix]

but remember everything is up in the air and the people who genuinely know wtf theyre doing are operating on a different skillset than us plebes 😂

[inland berry]

then?

[gritty tree]

I'd question some points here and there, but overall seems just what I wanted

[fierce frost]

what are you running for your secondary?

[prime elk]

recon las or las pistol to proc empathic evasion and deal with annoying ranged targets that assail is less efficient for

[zinc phoenix]

yeah its super playstyle dependent, i've been switching between trauma and sword to make sure i have soulfire always up for example 😂 and i been spamming the special to keep peril up too, its mental

edging peril on assail has also been carrying me in some nasty spots

[mental grail]

sometimes I leave missions if there is another psyker of the same build

[zinc phoenix]

i think using crack as the primary quell is gonna get more and more important the further up i go

[inland berry]

lets go, another perfect role

roll

[mental grail]

too many chefs in the kitchen

[jovial scarab]

depends, bubble regen stacks dont it?

[zinc phoenix]

stacking the duration is a big deal imo

[jovial scarab]

also being able to alternate bubbles is good for making sure we're covered

[zinc phoenix]

shooters got me growing eyes in the back of my head

[inland berry]

what blitz do you run on a soulblaze build?

[mental grail]

two smykers in the same mission gets old very fast

[manic halo]

Dear psyker players, i ask for the thousanth time today who got a force greatsword build

[mental grail]

slap it on your scriers build

[jovial scarab]

#psyker-class message

[manic halo]

ah thank you

[azure karma]

What's the advantage of revolver over bolt pistol? Pistol does more damage, has more ammo, and reloads faster

[manic halo]

what gun you use with this?

[inland berry]

witness the folly of man

because im about to do something stupid

aw fuck

thats the wrong sword

[fiery stratus]

rekt

youd need to reroll anyway

you need finesse

[inland berry]

no thats what i mean

it knows

the machine spirit understands its purpose

and its purpose is to burn

[rugged halo]

what does cleaving do btw? does it increase damage at all?

[unreal wasp]

Me like how the FGS also has a sprinting attack even though I don't think they mentioned it

Starting a heavy while sprinting lets you move a lot faster than starting a heavy and then trying to sprint

[light belfry]

does the charged strike smite node do anything useful

[strong gulch]

It makes sparkles.

[runic kiln]

increases the max dudes you hit per swing

[jovial scarab]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da63804-973f-4163-bcb6-fd3503f51533/fgs-bubbles-buildcraft

warp siphon FGS?

[fiery wigeon]

pierce

Hit moar dood

[jovial scarab]

through to the next guy, carries on a certain percent after the first guy gets hit

[runic kiln]

ive been running fgs + warp siphon + shield and it feels great as a kind of safety build.

[fiery wigeon]

whats fgs

force greatsword

[runic kiln]

force great sword

[jovial scarab]

it's between this and the surge staff smite build

though i do run smite on fgs simply for point cost reduction

[fiery wigeon]

is 1 bar of charge good enough for the beam to kill squishies

[fierce frost]

okay ive been cooking now with the feedback everyone has given me in here. what do we think of this build?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da6394c-ca97-4640-a62c-5ca79d78d81b/gunker-w-fgs

[jovial scarab]

my surge staff build has a shock maul and i'm halfway to swapping it out for a FGS

[mental grail]

accatran las/vraks infantry

[fierce frost]

Thought process is IAG for bosses, and ranged elites. FGS is Hordes and Melee elites. Assail is snipers and building peril

[runic kiln]

sounds like a psyker i just ran havoc with

[jovial scarab]

the surge staff?

[runic kiln]

i had a psyker with that exact setup like 5m ago

[jovial scarab]

hmm

its a common build i think, seen it on heresy modes

[steady yarrow]

Is Voidstrike dropstat blast radius?

[jovial scarab]

no

[steady yarrow]

quell?

[jovial scarab]

ye

though with some havoc mods it might not be anymore

[steady yarrow]

I feel like it used to be blast radius, but I kind of liked it.

[runic kiln]

drop quell and run "peril reduction on weakspot" and it wrecks house. cant confirm past havoc 18 or so

[fiery wigeon]

blast radius does things?

[steady yarrow]

yea, not by much but some things lol

[north hatch]

What perks for GS

I'm doing flak carapace

[eager token]

i drop blast on void

its poop

[north hatch]

And then shred and wearg

Weather

Wrath

[fiery wigeon]

id do riposte precog

[jovial scarab]

im a wrath unstable power guy myself

[eager token]

wrath is really good but you can maybe get away with using warp splitter

instead

i've been running deflector bc havoc shooters are aids

deflector and riposte yeehaw

[north hatch]

Yeah someone mentioned that but I'm doing an assail shriek build rn so no space

For the melee nodes

[eager token]

[fierce frost]

I feel like Wrath + Warp Splitting is overkill on cleave for Auric and AM, maybe not so with havoc tho

[eager token]

yeah dont take both

ever honestly

[north hatch]

I'll run actual shit later but

Flak and carapace is

[spice veldt]

ye
first bar is 450 base damage

[north hatch]

Whats good right

Or flak maniac

[eager token]

wrath is just really good if you aren't doing warp splitter and staying at high peril with scriers or assail spam

[celest valve]

neat got this by accident somehow

[fiery wigeon]

oh wow

thats good to know

[north hatch]

I didn't even know that's what unlocked those pants

[fiery wigeon]

same

[jovial scarab]

thats not too hard to build up during a horde ngl

hrm

[eager token]

imagine if there was one for not being hit by ranged

[fiery wigeon]

that'd be

something

aren't gunners elites

[eager token]

yes

[fiery wigeon]

i know shotgunners are

[fiery wigeon]

damn

[celest valve]

veterans the poor sobs have this

[north hatch]

Is warp slice remotely good?

[celest valve]

https://tenor.com/bkaIy.gif

[nocturne dust]

seems easy on malice 🤷‍♂️

[nocturne dust]

no

[fiery wigeon]

warp slice?

[celest valve]

oh, the blessing

it's ok

[north hatch]

Activates special on crits

[celest valve]

no, it crits on special

[north hatch]

Oh

[eager token]

[celest valve]

every 20 seconds or so at max rank

[fiery wigeon]

oh that one

[north hatch]

So every wave you send crits?

[fiery wigeon]

its funny

[nocturne dust]

only once every 20 seconds

and it's pretty meh

[north hatch]

Ngl how broken would that be with no cool down

[eager token]

the stupid special crit doesn't even proc soulblaze that blessing is garbo

[north hatch]

Cause without stacks

[nocturne dust]

probably not all that much since you still have to charge it

[north hatch]

Special is pretty ass

[celest valve]

possibly a bug, it doesn't proc the toughness on crit talent for psyker either

which is definitely a bug

[eager token]

what the wow

[north hatch]

I feel like if it was 0s a cool ranged swordker build could be made for it

[nocturne dust]

According to testers, soulblaze not working with special is intended

[fiery wigeon]

use soulblaze on crit blessing lol

[north hatch]

But unfortunately

Life is painful

[celest valve]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1h62kcz/new_psyker_greatsword_is_sooo_satisfying/ and with charges

[eager token]

why fatshark

[nocturne dust]

Doesn't work with ranged slice

[eager token]

why do you do this

[nocturne dust]

Dummy

[fiery wigeon]

boooo

BOOOOOOO

[nocturne dust]

Fatshark said no fun allowed

[eager token]

the warp slice is so hot and sexy and beautiful and nice i will take it on a nice date to atoma applebees

[dire warren]

Don't Care, still SHREDS

[north hatch]

Wait so does it do damage based on max charges

[nocturne dust]

eeeeeeehhhhhh

[fiery wigeon]

having a pocket shriek wouldve been so fucking funny

[nocturne dust]

warp slice is whatever

[north hatch]

Or can I have a full 1 and half of 2

And do more damage than full 1

[nocturne dust]

Takes a little too long to charge with all the other problems of decay and immediately being gone if you get hit at the wrong moment

[eager token]

mark 6 heavy chain my beloved, warp slice my beloved

[fiery wigeon]

trying to use a fully charged beam sucks

[north hatch]

Also what did you think I was talking about before

[fiery wigeon]

I haven't tried using the half charge yet

[celest valve]

the special in general not the blessing lol

[north hatch]

Oh lol

Warpshock slash 💀

[eager token]

the special is a cool flex to do every once in a while

its flashy and sexy

[celest valve]

also it like instantly kills an entire horde

[hollow current]

It's amazing to get the gunners behind bulwarks.

[north hatch]

I wish it killed the bulwarks too though

[fiery wigeon]

that'd be a bit much i think

[north hatch]

If plasma gun can have infinite pen why can't sword

[eager token]

i haven't tried with warp rider, scriers and +20% strength blessing yet tho

maybe its just the craziest thing

[fiery wigeon]

comparing things to plasma gun is not healthy

[north hatch]

This is fair

[manic halo]

so do your warp slice charges go away if you get hit? or if you activate it Then get hit, Your charges die

[celest valve]

i think even if you could only shoot a single charged shots and no uncharged shots ever with plasma gun every 10 seconds it would still get powerful

if youi activate then get hit

[tired estuary]

@fresh reef did you just get d/c'd too

[eager token]

mk6 heavies > warp slice tho

any day

[fresh reef]

thanks fatshark

that run was going so well too

[celest valve]

on a single target.

[spice veldt]

solution: give plasma gun lmb to force great sword

[tired estuary]

yeah rip

[north hatch]

Mk6 or mk8

[fresh reef]

@tired estuary which one were you? wanna add ya for later you seem cool

[eager token]

yeah i just meant general satisfaction level

[north hatch]

I think someone here said mk8 was more complex

[tired estuary]

I was Aoife and ye thx

[north hatch]

But they basically perform the same

[tired estuary]

I'm good for now on games tho

after this

[fresh reef]

same here

[fiery wigeon]

the two greatswords do seem to mostly perform the same

[tired estuary]

finally a 25+ havok where people have fully upgraded weapons

unbelievable luck

and that happens

hate it here lmao

[north hatch]

Lol

[fresh reef]

unupgraded weapons in the endgame of endgames is actually insane

[eager token]

its called hardmode

[tired estuary]

Its so funny, I can't get over it

and they ran wounds too

[eager token]

you scrubs..

[tired estuary]

got instantly deleted

[fresh reef]

bro

[jovial scarab]

yeah its official,

[tired estuary]

then the tauntgryn in duo situation ulted chaos spawn and backpedalled across map while blocking

and my fat bimbo ass was chasing them down with relic butt pokes

love it here

also sent fr request

[fiery wigeon]

I've never used shock maul

i prob should at least check it out at some point but i like my swords

[onyx sentinel]

anyone knows if havoc gets more interesting before 21+

it's a pain to host and try to get 4 people in party finder

[fiery wigeon]

deimos and covenant are peak gaming

[jovial scarab]

it was good-ish for smite build

but kept having issues with crushers and mutants

[zinc phoenix]

special does pretty well against crusher

[jovial scarab]

range and the initial hit kinda sucked

[mellow gorge]

this makes me so happy

[zinc phoenix]

tase em, lets you go to your next move

[fiery wigeon]

I've never had issues with any melee weapons against mutants

[jovial scarab]

ig, but the range feels awful

[quick tulip]

if you find auric maelstrom a snorefest, probably not

I've heard somewhere around mid 20s is where it starts being "damnation"

[sweet veldt]

this game has a bell curve of coherency

[patent jacinth]

Just 20

[jovial scarab]

the crowd clear really kinda sucks on the maul tho compared to other options

[onyx sentinel]

no that's the thing, havoc 17 right now is a snorefest compared to auric mael

[sweet veldt]

id rather play lights out as an ogryn preflashlight than play the modifiers on 15-20 havoc

[main wyvern]

guys i made my first 500

[fiery wigeon]

[spice veldt]

11-20 is still heresy
21 is where damnation begins

[jovial scarab]

grats, me too earlier this week, ironically said shock maul im dropping

[main wyvern]

i still am conflicted on blessings

[sweet veldt]

the toufh enemies and lights out is harder than auric mael

[onyx sentinel]

you should swap out uncanny with slaughterer, you're not killing maulers/crushers with that

[main wyvern]

uncanny? or slaughterer

[sweet veldt]

i run slaught

[north hatch]

Ok but a crozius skin for the mace would go so hard

[fiery wigeon]

riposte precog

[manic halo]

i forgot shotgun scriers was a thing

i love this shit

fuck da new sword

hoard clear in my can

[main wyvern]

i don't kill maulers/crushers with my sword anyway. i just smite/surge cc and let my teammtes do all the work

[sweet veldt]

then run slaught

[fiery wigeon]

ew

[sweet veldt]

better horde

[onyx sentinel]

yeah okay, that sounds about right. the only scary modifier so far is the nurgle blessing but like twice as tanky

[jovial scarab]

more likely for the crusher than the shock maul, that's a space marine sized weapon aint it?

1h for them, 2h for us

[north hatch]

Sobbing

Fair

[mental grail]

They only go away if you get staggered while casting

[manic halo]

cringe!

give themm zealots talent

never get staggered.

(>

[mellow gorge]

damn, i was a 6 supporter for the fgs, after actually uysing the 8 at a level where it mattered that easy access stab is too good to give up

[jovial scarab]

swap the initial 6 and 8 yeah, 6 has the stabs, 8 has a swing first

unless im just reading it wrong

your message confuses me

[mellow gorge]

i was using 6 bc i liked it more when i palying with some low level buddies, back alone in auric and the 8 having access to a stab right after the blockpush is too good to give up

[jovial scarab]

hrm

[fiery wigeon]

oh after block push

[jovial scarab]

the heavy stabs on the 6 tho

[fiery wigeon]

6 just opens with strikedown heavy no gimmick

[nocturne dust]

easy access stab

huh?

6 is the one with easy access stab

[north hatch]

After you block push

You get a stab

On 8

[mellow gorge]

block push into stab

[nocturne dust]

8 you gotta push to get to stab

[nocturne dust]

yes

bad stab

[fiery wigeon]

that's not easy access lol

[north hatch]

Idk I'm still torn on whether I prefer 6 or 8

[fiery wigeon]

I'm pretty happy with 6

[north hatch]

8 is faster which is nice

[mental grail]

it's not exactly hard to pull off

[fiery wigeon]

they're very samey

[north hatch]

But I gotta go with 6 I think

[mental grail]

just push > stab

[mellow gorge]

stagger locking stuff in front of you while also going into heavy stab is super nice

[nocturne dust]

I much prefer 6

[north hatch]

Idk how to describe it but 6 feels like it does more damage

[jovial scarab]

6's stabs are better imo

[nocturne dust]

just spam heavies

[north hatch]

Even though they're functionally the same

[nocturne dust]

[north hatch]

If that makes sense

Even for light spam

[mellow gorge]

both feel good for different reasons

[fiery wigeon]

tbh FGS has mostly just made me wish deimos and obscurus had usable specials lol

[nocturne dust]

specials suck

[mellow gorge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/487110864504094730/1311384845204848853/illisi_propaganda.gif

[nocturne dust]

embrace the non-special madness

[nocturne dust]

that's illisi

with a completely normal buff bar btw

[analog agate]

https://tenor.com/view/jacked-brad-pitt-jacked-to-the-tits-gif-21141936

[mellow gorge]

also how did we get new weapons with no skins for them?

probably on the next rotation

[nocturne dust]

wdym

we have skin

Hadron red skin

[jovial scarab]

Mk VIII vs VI comparison, on a 250 PL (im still levelling it dont judge me)

[nocturne dust]

[mellow gorge]

also 2 in the docket shop

[buoyant maple]

Mastery skins

[jovial scarab]

seems largely the same on normals, if slightly weaker due to having to block cancel the VI to keep vanguard attack chain going

[mellow gorge]

wiat we dont even have docket ones

unless they are covered under the base force sword one

[nocturne dust]

never did

[mellow gorge]

poor docket shop, one day they'll remember you exist

[fiery wigeon]

i hope the hadron skin looks really stupid

[nocturne dust]

It's just red

same as the rest

🤷‍♂️

[fiery wigeon]

rip

[nocturne dust]

Not as bad as candy cane knife, lol

[fiery wigeon]

need more checkerboard knives

lmao

[mellow gorge]

it aint bad tbh

[fiery wigeon]

i love the dumbass knife skin

[fiery wigeon]

oh damn that does look decent huh

[mellow gorge]

the 2 docket ones are in the api

[mental grail]

ninjad

but it do look kinda nice

[mellow gorge]

imo it's the best of the master ones so far that i've seen

the rest are kind goofy

[fiery wigeon]

yeah lol

[mellow gorge]

i like the base skin for my goofy ass fashion

[fiery wigeon]

knife one is peak

[mental grail]

same, but with mk 8

[fiery wigeon]

swag

[mental grail]

greatsword is peak fashion

[mellow gorge]

i bounce between the 2

cant decide which i like more

[mental grail]

the 8 has a better hilt imo

[mellow gorge]

it do

[mental grail]

plus the wheel pommel

[elfin roost]

Waiting for them to drop this

https://tenor.com/view/bloodborne-ludwig-my-true-mentor-my-guiding-moonlight-moonlight-gif-20321022

[clear heath]

I want greatsword skins

[mental grail]

the 6 has the better blade

[mellow gorge]

i like the block stab of the 8, but the core heavies of the 6 are more fun

i dont like the running attack that the 6 has

[mental grail]

I like the light attack chain of the 8 better

[nocturne dust]

I want more staves but sometimes we don't get what we want 😔

[mental grail]

it's why I love illisi

[fiery wigeon]

stabby

:)

[fiery wigeon]

mm

[mental grail]

got the event reward

[nocturne dust]

funny, I love Deimos more so maybe that's why I like 6 more

[fiery wigeon]

i love deimos

[elfin roost]

II (2) 🥈

[mental grail]

it's starting to make sense why we love opposite marks

[fiery wigeon]

deimos is my favorite melee

[mellow gorge]

man i like both

im fucked

[fiery wigeon]

Illisi is neat

[mental grail]

I had illisi on my psyker until fgs dropped

crowd control

[mellow gorge]

i like the demios eye poke

[fiery wigeon]

i do feel like fgs kinda takes over the illisi niche

[mellow gorge]

and the sweepy of the illisi

[mental grail]

it does only to a certain extent

[fiery wigeon]

both fgs light combos are so good for crowds

[light belfry]

the thing for me about the 6 vs the 8 is i dont feel like push attack into heavy stab is much faster than just doing 2 heavies on the 6

[mental grail]

dodges are so much better on both deimos and illisi

[nocturne dust]

Yeah, FGS just replaces Illisi imo

[mellow gorge]

it's not really faster, it's more a feel thing tbh

[nocturne dust]

unless you need dodges for some specific reason

[mental grail]

and deimos still knocks crushers on the ass

[nocturne dust]

Deimos does still have a niche

[elfin roost]

I think I pulled something here

[light belfry]

is the stab stronger on the 8?

[fiery wigeon]

deimos still retains its single target dominance

[mental grail]

Keep

[nocturne dust]

marginally

the 6's stab is still very good and you get a strong heavy 1 before it

[mellow gorge]

i dont think it's stronger by any breakpoint

[analog agate]

I haven’t used fgs without the fast attack node et al in that corner. How does it feel in a regular staff build

[nocturne dust]

Really good imo

Fairs fine without the attack speed node

[analog agate]

I’ll give it a try

[nocturne dust]

Good enough to take on any staff. Of course, dueling sword is still optimal in a lot of cases

[clear heath]

does fine, still one of the better options for our melee

[fiery wigeon]

yeahhhh

i think fgs pairs pretty cleanly with lightning staff

[clear heath]

That's what i've been running

works pretty well so far

[fiery wigeon]

same

[mellow gorge]

been running this with FGS/bolt pistol and it's been fun

[nocturne dust]

imo the best pairings for it are EK and Voidstrike... replacing the Illisi

[mellow gorge]

bounce between purloin and warp unbound

[fiery wigeon]

I need to get an actual voidstrike staff

[strong gulch]

I can never remember to use the special on FGS. It's worse than a stim.

Also I wouldn't stop accidentally changing my dpi. I thought FGS has a weird speed buff until bistol started to also have the " speed buff".

[fiery wigeon]

i would cut toughness on warp kill and toughness on peril gen for warp rider

[clear heath]

!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/922136978865156168/1314098608467083335/force_cleave_killfeed.mp4?ex=67528933&is=675137b3&hm=bca683162c5ec40f359f65f6f88bffac2c1a1fdfb69a01b6a3e76a2063d6f850&

that's so insanely satisfying

[elfin roost]

^Still gonna forget to use it?

[strong gulch]

Oh fuck that's nice.

[strong gulch]

yes 😭

[fiery wigeon]

now that i know the half charge is decently effective im gonna start getting a lot more use

[light belfry]

what blessings do you guys prefer on it? i been using wrath+riposte but i feel like with the cleave talent i might drop wrath for precog

[light belfry]

how good is it?

[fiery wigeon]

i kept gunning for full charge but actually getting full charge while there's still things to hit with it means good fucking luck not getting flinched out of it when you try to beam

[light belfry]

is it good enought o blend horde trash

[fiery wigeon]

yes

[light belfry]

thats nice

[spice veldt]

2268 damage on that bulwark 🙂

[light belfry]

its the kind of thing ive been thinking about butnot wanting to try because i know for a fact full charge beams are satisfying and so i dont want to NOT do it you know

lol

[fiery wigeon]

so far ive gotten off one maxed beam that actually hit things and it was like 5 grunts

[fallow meadow]

I hope the FGS charge degrade slower, and show it even you are on range weapon like the relic blade does.

[clear heath]

I'm fine with the decay rate as it is

[nocturne dust]

I want the decay rate to be gone completely

[fiery wigeon]

i also want the decay rate to die

[nocturne dust]

Let me open up with big swing

[light belfry]

the decay mostly annoys me when it brings me just below max threshhold

i would like decay to die, it doesnt need it but

[fiery wigeon]

yeeeeee

[light belfry]

it would be funnn

[spice veldt]

i would rather it be faster since you can often just carry a bunch of essence from a previous fight
and it doesn't decay much even when using other weapons in the meanwhile

[fallow meadow]

It is very good when things start to go chaos.

[fiery wigeon]

I just want it not to decay when it's at max charge

[fallow meadow]

Or let me charge up to 250% and let the 50% be the buffer.

[elfin roost]

This, if nothing else it turns a bad situation into a non-situation

[fiery wigeon]

oh thats a good thought

[mental grail]

I use it often, half charge is still great into hordes.

[potent echo]

Half charge seems to kill bruisers around less than 10m

But it has infinite cleave too so it's good

Full charge more consistently deals with ragers etc

[clear heath]

yeah don't greed for that full charge unless you just don't benefit from force cleaving at the moment.
Force cleaving the level 1 charge twice is pretty much the same as force cleaving at level 2 once

[elfin roost]

And also, the thing hit by the sword directly is gonna be obliterated

[mental grail]

Full charge has helped me out really often

[potent echo]

Yes

Full charge definitely has more range

[elfin roost]

Full charge is half charge until youre swarmed

[sly needle]

I usually only use the full or 0 charge

[potent echo]

Because damage falloff

[fallow meadow]

It is annoying that it don't show the charge when I change to range, and pulling it out to find that it got degrade a bit.

[mental grail]

https://tenor.com/view/standing-ovation-gif-24495839

[potent echo]

0 charge

[sly needle]

Don't need to use it often enough to want to use 1

[hollow grove]

lmao the psyker wave slash applies bleed when u swap to the bolt pistol liek the zealot dagger

[mental grail]

preach

[sly needle]

It's a 30m range stagger

[hollow grove]

psyker bleed spam build incoming

[mental grail]

shhhhh

[sly needle]

Ezpz dog save

[strong gulch]

Y'all using your memory. Good job siblings.

[potent echo]

Ah

[nocturne dust]

Fatshark gaming

[potent echo]

I don't think it staggers bulwarks though

[clear heath]

wait really?

wtf

[nocturne dust]

Also, protip: even at base the ranged warp slice can knock hounds off of allies

[potent echo]

Boltgunker let's go

Assail also works with puncture lol

[hollow grove]

yeah its giga gfunny

spam wave slash then swap to bleed pistol

repeat and eveyrthing non-carapace go is sent to the shadow realm

[clear heath]

that's nuts

[pliant coral]

so from what i've seen, both marks are perfectly viable right? it's not firmly 6 or 8 over the other?

[hollow grove]

enjoy while it lasts siblings

[pliant coral]

im rolling 6 and the "light/special for hordes, heavy spam for single target" is easy enough to understand

is 8 more complex or nah?

[potent echo]

8 is the simple one

[pliant coral]

oh

[potent echo]

Kekw

[clear heath]

honestly they're both about equal to me

[strong gulch]

I was playing bistol too. Now I'm mad about me not using FGS special.

[sly needle]

8 is the easy one, good for hordes, but 6 is probably better as long as you're paying attention

[pliant coral]

also hi, didn't even realise you were on this discord lmao

[potent echo]

Hey gamer

[pliant coral]

so 6 is worse for me, got it 🤡

[hollow grove]

yep go try it sibling :)

[fallow meadow]

I am thinking about soulblaze warp slice. I know it won't be super good but the range of the slide with 100% crit seems tasty.

[clear heath]

I'm running 6 mainly because it's a bit better at bossing and it's a on a staff build that just really sucks at bossing in general

[sly needle]

All you have to do with the 6 is lights, then on the mild diagonal upswing you heavy

[clear heath]

If i was running full scriers gunpsyker i might be more inclined to run 8

[sly needle]

If you're standing still it's light light light heavy, but stuff like the sprint attack will change it slightly

[strong gulch]

Both marks must be easy then. Because even I could slap crushers to death with the 6. Just heavy them.

[hollow grove]

go for giga peril reistance and spam warp slice then swap to bleed bolt pistol, eveyrthing gets bleed stacks, enjoy while it lasts

[nocturne dust]

Specifically for 6, you do a heavy when the diagonal light goes from bottom right to top left

for hordes

You can also get the heavy diagonal earlier from push attack

[azure karma]

Double barrel is good now?

[patent jacinth]

Always has been

[strong gulch]

As far as I know it's been good since the new nodes.

Like even more so.

[azure karma]

What's the stats and blessings?

[strong gulch]

@mossy oyster DB shotgun talk, I summon thee.

[mental grail]

yeah

[mossy oyster]

mobility at 60, scatter/manstopper on a scriers build

flak maniac perks

[hollow grove]

https://steamusercontent-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/11917605553380428/03146DFABB60F1D9B8E45307DAB0E3F26604D3B8/

[pliant coral]

I gotta mess around in the psykhanium, but I’m still leaning towards the whichever FGS is more brain dead

[mental grail]

8 is more braindead

[clear heath]

Neither are that complex

[hollow grove]

we bleeding out of tertium with this one!!!!!

[pliant coral]

Is the use case hordes? Or elites? Is the range on it any good? Last time I tried double barrel I just shot it into hordes which worked okay, but I don’t think I was using it right

[strong gulch]

#psyker-class message

[azure karma]

Ty

If I were to use DB on vet, would the blessings be the same?

[mossy oyster]

yes vet enjoys manstopper/scattershot also

[azure karma]

Ok ty bro

[strong gulch]

From the vet guide in the vet pins

[mossy oyster]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/jcYNMvgID8_-N6poV?invite=cr-MSxEcEosMzAyNTAyNTYyLA

my medal is sucking rn

but you can use DBarrel to just delete anything in front of you button (thats not monstrosity/carapace)

DBarrel can 1 shot maulers

[pliant coral]

wow ok

unrelated: Havoc over 20 is nuts

[light belfry]

what do you guys think pairs well with the sword? i dont have much experience with scriers b4 this

[mossy oyster]

DBarrel is good for rager surprises

[light belfry]

i been running surge and revolver

db seems fun

[pliant coral]

#general-chat message

[azure karma]

Any time I see someone whip out a knife I know I'm about to get carried

[elfin roost]

Havoc 40 isnt so bad

[royal cove]

dump stat on dueling sword?

[clear heath]

cleave damage

does barely anything

otherwise mobility if you really care about that 5 damage to the second target

[strong gulch]

That's not hyperbole btw.

[clear heath]

If we're counting high havoc, i'm not even sure you can actually hit a second target with dueling sword, with that hitmass increase

[strong gulch]

[clear heath]

it might literally not do anything

[spice veldt]

cleave damage has nothing to do with cleaving in the technical sense fyi

[royal cove]

any good dueling sword/trauma staff builds

[spice veldt]

cleave damage modifies unarmoured/infested/flak ADMs
so it's basically the penetration stat but for unarmoured/infested/flak

[strong gulch]

Isn't flak still bugged.

[spice veldt]

on the duelling swords, it's bugged to only really affect unarmoured/infested

yeah

[strong gulch]

I think it was before the crafting update, I haven't checked recently.

[strong gulch]

#psyker-class message

This was pre new gunners and havoc.

[mossy oyster]

@pliant coral https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/j8tmKeuHOTxppo7F3?invite=cr-MSxlNkUsMzAyNTAyNTYyLA
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/j9FxhUrBnrg3lGIMH?invite=cr-MSxxaFksMzAyNTAyNTYyLA
https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/j8RTWi95jywNLwBc2?invite=cr-MSw1cHosMzAyNTAyNTYyLA

[rustic crystal]

Usually I just know I'm about to see a guy sprint down three rooms into the map, possibly with his friend and I'll get fucking slaughtered in 0 coherency because I can't perfectly dodge 11 maulers and 600 ragers for seven minutes straight.

[mossy oyster]

my medal finally opened up

theres some DBarrel propaganda clips for you

[pliant coral]

that's a lotta clips

[nocturne dust]

[main wyvern]

chat we did it we're 20 mastery

[steep kindle]

niceee

also

anyone wanna do a havoc or sumthin

[plucky flax]

I can open havoc 28 if you want to do

[nocturne dust]

Who are these people who wanted Havoc?

Are they in the room with us now?

[plucky flax]

I got demoted from 29 to 28 yesterday night cos some dudes were sus

[main wyvern]

chat do you guys get this when using greatsword?

[nocturne dust]

You can

I don't personally

not unless I need it for other things like assail/voidstrike

I don't even grab the attack speed node

[clear heath]

i do

[main wyvern]

i hate slow weapons i was gonna grab the attack speed one

[nocturne dust]

It's good if you want Force GS maxxing

[main wyvern]

and then the cleave one is right there so i thought maybe

[nocturne dust]

But not really needed for Force GS to do its job

[clear heath]

oh are you running havoc now?

i could hop on for a couple games before bed

[plucky flax]

Yeah gonna play a few now.

And try not to demote.

[clear heath]

alright getting on

[cosmic sigil]

you'll be on later?

[clear heath]

pls tell me it's not pox gas again

[plucky flax]

I think so

[plucky flax]

It's blight tho

So goop man

[nocturne dust]

https://tenor.com/view/100percent-gif-18871183

[clear heath]

unfortunate

at least not as bad as last time

the trauma will never go away

[plucky flax]

You playing trauma?

I can go burga then.

[clear heath]

no i'm running ek staff

[plucky flax]

Okay I am on trauma I guess.

[rich spindle]

still got room for 1?

[clear heath]

sorry we just filled up

[rich spindle]

np

[mental grail]

I take warp splitting and attack speed bonus, used with scriers

[sturdy reef]

I usually take the FGS on my gun psyker build

works well

[autumn lark]

You use it to force cleave in higher havoc games

[main wyvern]

this is gonna need a lot of work

[mental grail]

Tell me about it lmao

I have a similar one

[potent echo]

Wrath 4 though

[onyx sentinel]

I want a golf cap

how is this guy rocking a golf cap

[potent echo]

Maga

[onyx sentinel]

heard you can inject disinfectant to cure pox blight

[night zephyr]

does Perilous Assault increase lmb rapid fire with force staves? does that tech still exist?

[onyx sentinel]

I don't think wield speed affects queel cancel animation if that's what you're asking

[night zephyr]

thats what i am asking haha

[dull scroll]

that's for assail

[left briar]

there a build just for the greatsword? I dont really feel like using anything else. Just full melee

[lime yew]

where can i find these "greatsword builds" looking for inspo

[dull scroll]

just run a gunpsyker with assail/recon/greatsword

and use the sword a lot

[mental grail]

^^^

[left briar]

what's recon

[rich spindle]

fasty shooty laser

[dull scroll]

the lasgun that goes really fast

[left briar]

did they buff it?

i hated that gun

since a year ago

[dull scroll]

...

[rich spindle]

ya

[dull scroll]

that's like the best gun

along side plasma

make sure it's the model 12

with burn on crit you just spray over horde and they die to burn

[jovial scarab]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9d9da1cb-d42f-4bba-878e-541a8bbe82f9/2h-fs-theorycraft-melee-psyker
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9da63804-973f-4163-bcb6-fd3503f51533/fgs-bubbles-buildcraft
all depends on what you want to go for, meta is starting to shift toward survivability

mine goes for smite and warp siphon
other builds will go for assail and DD

you'll find a lot of sanctuary dome builds tho across it all

on the FGS itself, dump warp resist

mk VI vs VIII is up to personal taste

[dull scroll]

the one with the better light atk is the superior sword

[hazy moss]

hey siblings

what mark of the fgs have u been liking more?

[dull scroll]

it's heavy is garbage, but can push-atk takes care of armored

[restive slate]

You mean the horizontals and diagonals?

[dull scroll]

the better horiz one

[restive slate]

Eh?

[dull scroll]

one of the sword does almost flat sweaps with light

and loops heads off easy

the other one does the weird diagonal sweaps that hit less things

[restive slate]

Oooo

Thankies! Clear now!

[dull scroll]

teh flat sweap one have shit heavy atk though, but that's solved by using the push-atk stab, which is fantastic

[nocturne dust]

mk 6 does diagonals

and is superior

mk 6 has access to easy overheads and stabs for maximum elite destruction, hordes are trivial with either mark

so mk 6 is better imo

[jovial scarab]

they have the same light attack if you block cancel

[restive slate]

Are the overheads heavies?

[jovial scarab]

the charge attack on the mk6 is objectively better, straight thrusting only

[nocturne dust]

yes

[restive slate]

There's a difference for their charge attacks??

[dull scroll]

not even talking about the overhead light, the first two are already diagonals

[restive slate]

Is this their running attack or the special charge?

[night zephyr]

So it does have some effect lol, still not good

[nocturne dust]

oh no, not the diagonals on the big sword that already eats hordes anyway, oh nooooooooo

[dull scroll]

disgusting diagonal lovers

[nocturne dust]

Horizontal coper

[jovial scarab]

if it eats hordes on both versions light attacks, the thing that decides it for me is the charge attack

one of them bullies crushers, the other does not

[restive slate]

Also I heard Obscurus Fsword has a better horde clear combo now?

[nocturne dust]

neither really bullies crushers

mk 6 does it better, but it's no deimos

[dull scroll]

they don't both eat hordes, one does it better, some people just settles for the inferior version

[nocturne dust]

apparently, but I haven't touched it since the update so 🤷‍♂️

[dull scroll]

for the better charge on the other

[left hare]

so for the greatsword it's scriers gaze combo with lasgun or vraks?

[nocturne dust]

They both eat hordes

[dull scroll]

cope

[nocturne dust]

you're the one doing that

[restive slate]

I haven't touched it since Deimos and Illisi were released haha

[dull scroll]

by your cope logic my dueling sword also eat hordes

[nocturne dust]

💀

[restive slate]

Duelling Sword eats everything right now lol

[nocturne dust]

I can see why you think the mk 6 is bad if you think it has horde clear anywhere near Dueling Sword

lucky for reality, it doesn't have horde clear that bad

[jovial scarab]

duelling sword is not the metric by which to judge every other weapon

[dull scroll]

the only reason I would want to use greatswords is because they eat hordes better than ds4 mmkay?

[nocturne dust]

yes

[potent echo]

Also warp slice

[nocturne dust]

they eat hordes better than ds4

[potent echo]

And it kills elites

[jovial scarab]

it kills elites pretty decently
that is all i ask

[restive slate]

Warp Slice makes my jeans tighter

[potent echo]

Faster than heavysword anyway

[left hare]

Is the wave attack not that great?

[jovial scarab]

it is very good

[nocturne dust]

It's not bad but I don't consider it great

[nocturne dust]

ehhhhhhh

[left hare]

It's only to clear trash right?

[jovial scarab]

yes

[left hare]

Ok

[jovial scarab]

goes through cover too

[left hare]

Oh that's cool

[nocturne dust]

It can eat some elites at max charge with buffs

[jovial scarab]

1 charge for hordes, 2 charge for elites

[potent echo]

Or soften and stagger a whole bunch of them

[dull scroll]

the catch is if you get bonked before you let the anime slice our you lose everything

[jovial scarab]

tbh i feel people forget we have another weapon slot when talking about the FGS

it doesnt have to kill every single elite

[dull scroll]

*out

which if you are surrounded tends to happen more than you think

[nocturne dust]

no, but hordes are trivial on psyker

[restive slate]

I got a big surprise when I found out Ragers have carapace now

[left briar]

the armored ones?

[dull scroll]

apparently

[nocturne dust]

scab ragers, yes

torso is carapace

[jovial scarab]

tbh i want something that will deal with hordes nicely but also has good matchup against tougher targets, which FGS fits the bill for

[restive slate]

Their body I think

[nocturne dust]

READ THE PATCH NOTES YOU NON-NERDS

[restive slate]

Yep

[nocturne dust]

yes

[restive slate]

I rather read the words of wisened experienced players of skill

[jovial scarab]

im not gonna be using it as my main weapon either, im just replacing my shock maul since that thing cant kill mutants worth a shit

[nocturne dust]

Those don't exist

We are all noobs

[vagrant frigate]

what is the question

[dull scroll]

surprised they didn't touch ds4 this patch

very nice

[restive slate]

Surprised they didn't touch psyker mastery bug

For surge staff

[jovial scarab]

butterknife and toothpick still at the top of the heap

[restive slate]

About Scab Rager armour

[dull scroll]

that machine gun primary bug is overrated imo

tried it didn't feel it

[vagrant frigate]

whats the question

[restive slate]

What bug

[vagrant frigate]

the armor change does nothing

you arent bodyshotting them ever

[nocturne dust]

They don't fix bugs, just introduce new ones

[wicked hornet]

what staffs are good for Havoc. Surge feels weak

[vagrant frigate]

this drives me insane

[dull scroll]

you talking about the surgy primary quell cancel machine gun no?