psyker-class

[mossy oyster]

you can stick with mk6 if it pleases you

lmao

[umbral atlas]

Brunt finally had one for me today but it was really bad dump stats and I'm starting to run tight on gold

[autumn lark]

i wanna ask him his havoc level but i already know he cant even beat a malice maelstrom

[plucky flax]

No need for this man

[autumn lark]

https://tenor.com/view/turles-dragon-ball-dbz-tullece-laugh-gif-17442980413440269481

[hazy moss]

https://tenor.com/view/saiki-k-saiki-saiki-kusuo-dragon-ball-z-dragon-ball-gif-25935752

[patent steeple]

I know, but landing headshots with it is kinda difficult for me, and I want something a bit more simple to remember how to do (aka, spam) when I inevitably panic...

[celest valve]

can youi also sell one goddamn good revlver either

[radiant lance]

so just spam heavies

[hazy moss]

hes talking abt u 🤡

[analog agate]

There are people using mk6 that are as high as paradise. Havoc level doesn’t prove a sword is better

[rugged halo]

then use the mk6.the second or third attack is usually a stab

[hazy moss]

🤡

[autumn lark]

no you can push attack hold for the stab without letting go of block i think

[scarlet rock]

Is it just a visual bug where my DD stacks arent showing up? I have the talents and even the 10 sec talent but it doesnt stayu on my screen for morethan a second before disappeaing

[autumn lark]

it has quite generous timing

[fathom adder]

mpreg react each other already

[rugged halo]

nope.

if you can its broken for me then

[autumn lark]

just a visual bug you do have them

[echo root]

I LOVE MK6, MK6 SUPREMACY

[patent steeple]

well... more than 1 crusher is kinda common from my recent damnation experience, and mk8 heavy spam is slightly too slow on carapace for my tastes...

[scarlet rock]

OK cool cool I thought so but just had to ask just in case

[autumn lark]

nah your right you do need to let go of block after the push attack

[celest valve]

i forgive you now brunt

[mortal marsh]

Haven't played Psyker in forever, is Psyker Atheneum still relatively up to date barring the new swords?

[autumn lark]

now thats a good sword

[patent steeple]

maybe FGS in general is not for me, but I still wanna use it because hehe beeg force sword...

[radiant lance]

Then you're out of luck mate. Just practice the push attack heavy or switch to Mk 6 which has the poke on 2nd heavy.

[analog agate]

Should be

[celest valve]

i also have this lol

but i do not think warp resistance will ever become the meta stat so

[autumn lark]

nah defenses is quite important

also scrier with unstable power warp rider greatsword is a really good melee combo

[radiant lance]

@mossy oyster You do admit though that Mk 8 is slower at killing Crushers though, right? Even if it's a little bit safer because of the push prior to the stab.

[rugged halo]

there is a slight difference in the normal attacks for each mark, but nothing too major.

[autumn lark]

momentum is a good safety net alongside that

[mossy oyster]

I can kill a crusher with mk8 in literally a second

lol

[autumn lark]

try overhead heavies with warp rider scrier

[radiant lance]

You mean if you use precog and reposte?

[molten prawn]

I think i need to test more but i two shot crusher with the mark 8 overheads

[mossy oyster]

I use precog/unstable

in a DD scriers build

[molten prawn]

which is faster than mk6

[near wyvern]

I wrote some preliminary info, will continue tomorrow if I have time

[mossy oyster]

I remember doing 3872 to a crusher off PA thrust

almost 1 shotting it

[celest valve]

huh. is limbsplitter good on combat axes. that's a big strength if only every few attacks

[rugged halo]

using just heavy attacks, the mk8 will kill a crusher in like 6 to 8 swings. and the mk6 will do it in 4

[mossy oyster]

and if you dont 1 shot the crusher off thrust

[rugged halo]

and those were all aimed at the head

[mossy oyster]

the overhead bonk will surely finish it off

[autumn lark]

show your sword

[celest valve]

lol

[rugged halo]

its not full leveled up. but it still does more as a mk6 than a mk8

[analog agate]

https://tenor.com/view/well-there-it-is-gif-26733168

[autumn lark]

do you have warp rider?

or just specced into right side psyker

[radiant lance]

8??? Nah man, it's like 4.

[hazy moss]

these two clowns only like the mk8 bc it’s easier to use. avg low skill psyker opinions

[radiant lance]

Can someone suspend or ban Bip? He's obviously trolling

[mossy oyster]

you'd have to ask wardens

[olive ember]

wait so

[mortal marsh]

Nice to hear, thanks a bunch

[olive ember]

wait so is mk 6 or mk 8 better lmao

[clear heath]

you guys are so silly
just do this for crushers
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/487110864504094730/1311384845204848853/illisi_propaganda.gif

[autumn lark]

if you want a simple moveset use mk6 if you want a complexer one mk8

[plucky flax]

Just use what you personally prefer.

[north hatch]

Where he go

[clear heath]

simply walk up to them and kill them in 1 hit (after buffing for 2 hours)

[celest valve]

you know i was going to try soulblaze on the sword but. uh. Uhhhhhhhhhh

[olive ember]

... the mk 8 is the easier one to use what?

[autumn lark]

mk8 does have more versatilty and imo a better moveset

[patent mango]

greatsword posting

[celest valve]

anyway lessee perks

[quasi crow]

ims ure you all know it but after block/pushing with the new 2h sword there is a special "poke" attack you can do as a follow up and its pretty powerful

[celest valve]

it's not the default maniac/flak right

[autumn lark]

mk8

the heavy stab also directly chains into an overhead

[autumn lark]

carapace unyielding is a good pick

[celest valve]

and the overheads chain into overheads

[quasi crow]

yeah really great against crushers and ragers

[autumn lark]

cause you deal enough damage to other enemy types

[celest valve]

does it need the unyielding? hmm.

[autumn lark]

bigger damage

[clear heath]

how much do you hate bulwarks?

[autumn lark]

maybe flak once you go higher into havoc with breakpoints

[celest valve]

i hate their shield but more damage isn't going to help with that

[fathom adder]

Mk8 has push stab -> heavy spam for single targets and light spam for hordes, I don't think Mk6 has any really good horde clear combo?

[inland berry]

having tried both i perfer the mk8

[olive ember]

mk 6 combo is l1 -> l2 ->l3 ->h4 or wte i thought

[mossy oyster]

mk8 has 3 options for heavy single target damage

[radiant lance]

or l1 -> l2 -> bc

[mossy oyster]

a vanguard clearing heavy

and has 4 lights to brain dead spam a horde with

if you wanted

[olive ember]

mk 6 is more cancer to use but it doesn't require a fucking PA to access its stab

[mossy oyster]

mk8 is extremely all rounded

[celest valve]

honestly i'm thinking of just leaving it on the criitcal hit chance for right now lol

[radiant lance]

both marks are

[olive ember]

idk why people were saying mk 8 is easier to use tho

[radiant lance]

it's an overall versatile weapon

[celest valve]

also it's kind of ironic bip is calling the mk8 as 'low skill sword' when you literally have a harder combo for single target :p

[near wyvern]

At least you can stab from sprint with it, unlike Mk 6

[analog agate]

Cause of the lack of an light extra attack when starting from sprint/slide

[mossy oyster]

the fact mk8 has a vanguard heavy, on top of 2 strikedown heavies, and a thrust heavy (thats 3 ST options) makes it better in the versatility section

than mk6 to me

[radiant lance]

I mean push attacking isn't that hard

[autumn lark]

also you have 2 hordeclear options

spam light or light heavy loop

[olive ember]

Thats one stab. When the game can throw 10 crushers at you in one go

[inland berry]

push attacking is literally the whole strategy with cb6

i don't see why it's a problem here

[celest valve]

push attack, followup heavy, then either heavy spam or chain into L3 L4 then another PA

[mossy oyster]

because muh poke is on heavy 2 so its better

than having to push attack to poke

🧠

[analog agate]

Deimos gang rise up

[mossy oyster]

L1 qq L1 qq L1

[fathom adder]

I'm gonna stick with Mk8 for aesthetic, Mk6 has too much gold

[inland berry]

don't get me wrong, i do think mk6 is better for single target and elites

[autumn lark]

I think mk8 also has a longer reach

[celest valve]

also i can tell you right now mk6 seems to have much worse hordeclear :p

[radiant lance]

Why would you chain into L3 L4?

[inland berry]

but that doesn't make the mk8 bad by any means

[analog agate]

Ew

[inland berry]

this

[clear heath]

push attack does like 1 damage
mk 6 heavy does more than 1 damage
very clear which one is the better combo starter

[celest valve]

they're diagonal vanguard attacks with increased finesse damage

[near wyvern]

There is no way you can spam heavies only when you have a mixed horde with crushers coming at you. That push attack staggers lesser foes when you are going after the big guys.

[brazen warren]

running full crit scyers with the MK8 and the MK6, 3 heavies to the crushers head left it up to preference for me, so I went with MK8

less aiming

[celest valve]

ewwwwww MK6 has a poke heavy

[patent mango]

you can stab from sprint?

[inland berry]

being real, going into melee with crushers is kinda supid anyways]

[autumn lark]

You forget to mention that the push attack knocks over anything that inst an ogryn or boss

[inland berry]

its asking to get 1shot

[autumn lark]

It even staggers crushers

[clear heath]

???

[inland berry]

as a psyker i mean

[patent mango]

no

[near wyvern]

PA into heavy from sprint on Mk 8. Mk6 you gotta pay 1 light extra tax and you get stab as 3rd attack from sprint, no way to jump directly to it.

[clear heath]

They're like the easiest thing to melee

[fathom adder]

It's not the Crusher that gets you but the Mauler that skates up through them while charging an overhead

[patent mango]

ah no direct i thought u meant it was somehow possible

[celest valve]

so yeah. Main downside of mk6: diagonal, not horizontal attacks. (this is big imo)

[brazen warren]

mixing in smite to soften up and disperse trash around bigger targets has helped me alot with getting the bfg to work

[radiant lance]

Nothing preventing you from push attacking with Mk 6 as well

[radiant lance]

Have you tested both for horde clear and have some numbers?

[mossy oyster]

the fact mk8 force push slightly staggers a crusher on its feet

gives you the freest face stab ever

lmfao

[next heart]

they both force push?

[mossy oyster]

and opening a bulwark shield -> into 1 shot thrust

[celest valve]

This is mostly me testing in the psykanarium. Specifically the diagonal attacks have a shorter effective cone.

[mossy oyster]

mk8 is better

[autumn lark]

Also the overhead loop on a crusher stack will outperform

[celest valve]

whereas the mk8 lets you do nothing but horizontal swings at head level

[brazen warren]

crits ignoring hitmass is the biggest feel improvement for me

[radiant lance]

I don't get how you're 1 shotting with the thrust tbh.

[waxen jackal]

Are y'all liking havoc? Or is it a thing where once you unlock the cosmetics you probably won't play it again

[celest valve]

(also it's weird that a slightly different weapon mark will have our rejects instantly know the 'correct' way to swing with it)

[brazen warren]

no more my sword hit one dude and stopped nonsense

[patent mango]

idk i dont like how it nerfs me and makes ranged enemies super strong

i might only play it sometimes

[radiant lance]

L3 L4 aren't horizontal though?

[autumn lark]

Warp rider unstable power crit

[celest valve]

l1 l2 block cancel

[autumn lark]

Actualy

[autumn lark]

For bullwarks you dont need to crit lol

[mossy oyster]

me when weakspot finesse maxxing

[autumn lark]

I forgot it has precog lmfao

[radiant lance]

Sure

[autumn lark]

That makes the push stab even more busted lmfao

[waxen jackal]

I enjoy it enough to where ill probably do the one a week so my level doesn't drop at least. The modifiers are cool

[mossy oyster]

oh

not to mention

[radiant lance]

So you're not taking Wrath?

Or Riposte?

[celest valve]

ok the mk6 feels better for flak tho

[patent mango]

lmao i need a 3rd force gs

[autumn lark]

You force wrath with cleave on peril

[mossy oyster]

my cleave is unstable power/warp splitting

[radiant lance]

Fair enough but how do you maintain high peril at all times, gaze + spamming special?

[errant pawn]

Just hopping in here what mark are we talking about?

[autumn lark]

Theres a little node for scrier

[mossy oyster]

Im using this on DBarrel with Surety of Arms

and Assail and Special from FGS

[autumn lark]

That gives you 11.5 seconds of no peril explosion

[mossy oyster]

there are alot of ways

to generate peril

on this build

fast too

[marble crater]

Chat is about to split into two factions because of the two marks. This is a very dangerous question to ask

[carmine agate]

hmm cant think of what staff to use with fgs

[radiant lance]

nah not DBarrel maaan

[errant pawn]

Hahaha is that so

[radiant lance]

Ain't no way I'm going to use DB it's actual garbage

[mossy oyster]

yeah not dbarrel the thing thats gotten me 1million dmg 3 separate times

lol

[errant pawn]

Honestly I’ve only tested the eight in an actual match but initially I preferred the six. I have to find time before the weekend to pick my favourite

[mossy oyster]

annihilating mauler and rager packs

seems pretty garbage

you're right

[errant pawn]

I’m gonna test the six in a match later today

[carmine agate]

i like 8 wide sweeps 👀

[quick tulip]

so uh, my force greatswords are changing their stat layout as they get empowered?

[marble crater]

Surge/EK

[undone fossil]

ideal blessing for blaze staff?

[carmine agate]

thanks. what is ek?

[clear heath]

electrokinetic

[prime elk]

Yup. Shitty ass bug never got fixed

[marble crater]

Zap zap staff

[radiant lance]

Yeah when they're lining up for you, sure. Having 2 bullets in a magazine and near zero range sucks ass.

[carmine agate]

ah zap staff

[celest valve]

the patch notes have some errors, like light wield should be l2 not l3

[patent mango]

got 3 force greatsword so far lmao

[mossy oyster]

if you think DBarrel has ass range

[carmine agate]

with warp flurry n nexus right?

[mossy oyster]

you should use LMB more

[marble crater]

Yes

[carmine agate]

what is sainted?

[errant pawn]

What in the Khornographic red rarity

[rustic crystal]

I keep seeing DB and I keep thinking of that old man "Me neighbors are always listenin to loud Drum and Bass"

[mossy oyster]

also whats there to worry about, you're using a FGS and Assail

you have all ranges covered

[patent mango]

mod

[carmine agate]

ah

[radiant lance]

Having Assail cover your medium range does help ngl

[carmine agate]

how do i use assail with fgs properly? never really used assail b4

[radiant lance]

But yes DB has terrible range even with LMB mate

[mossy oyster]

cant agree

[radiant lance]

Having to use your entire mag to kill a gunner from 10m is the definition of having bad range lol

[mossy oyster]

you just said assail covers your mid range

so why use your DBarrel there?

[errant pawn]

I treat assail as a ranged stun fan… you throw a bunch out there just stun everybody then go in right behind with your sword

[celest valve]

ok so the mk6 actually has one horizontal attack after pushblock

[radiant lance]

I'm saying DB has bad range rn.

You said it doesn't

[mossy oyster]

its a double barrel

its not sniping across the map

but it has better range than you think

I can assure you that

[radiant lance]

It literally can't kill a gunner from 10m what are you talking about man

[fast coral]

Yeah this is weird, if you get kills often why do you need stack extension.

[rustic crystal]

Not a huge fan of trying to build to cover every single option in every single fight.

[prime elk]

Use it to kill ranged stuff, elite hordes and to peril edge

[errant pawn]

I’ve managed to get one diagonal.. you have to use the heavy in the third or fourth light attack chain and if you hold it then it will go across

[mossy oyster]

10 meters

right

[prime elk]

Outside of havoc you kinda have to

[radiant lance]

I mean then don't. But you're gonna have worse builds.

[radiant lance]

Bro literally just go into the Psykanium.

[errant pawn]

In trying to cover all my bases I really struggle with boss killing at the same time

[radiant lance]

Are we not playign the same game?

[celest valve]

that's still diagonal but it's also avaialble after the push attack horizontal

[errant pawn]

Like I can get crowd control major and gunner really good but then if a plauge og comes in it’ll screw me over

[prime elk]

DBs effective range is touching distance really

[quick tulip]

perk reccs for FGS?

[mossy oyster]

flak/cara

[prime elk]

Carapace and unyielding is what I run

[hoary cairn]

is it only me or is the new sword kinda bad right now?

[prime elk]

Nah it's great

[quick tulip]

it's you and a few others, I bet

but it also is bugged and doesn't apply a lot of its blessings on its special

[errant pawn]

It takes some getting used to the change in pace

[hoary cairn]

any build recommendations?

[celest valve]

ok so. horde combo is probably light push -> push light attack -> heavy 3 and repeat for mk6

[prime elk]

It's just that most psykers never touched a melee weapon in their lives before this patch lmao

[quick tulip]

^

[prime elk]

Scriers is prob the optimal

[marble crater]

Not true, I touched my DS all the time to catch up to the team

[hoary cairn]

alright I'm gonna try that

[prime elk]

Assail SG DD

[errant pawn]

I’ve been able to light attack two or three then heavy on three or four pretty successfully avoiding that stab

[radiant lance]

Literally can't kill a gunner from 10m.

And god forbid you are facing more than a single gunner.

[celest valve]

That's probably better vs mixed hordes or hordes with elites?

[fathom adder]

Most important question regarding FGS/BFG: What is the optimum height for sweeping heads with the special?

[autumn smelt]

youre not critting

[radiant lance]

Yes I know you can kill a sniper with it.

[rustic crystal]

On god I love Kinetic Deflection, I don't care if Zealots are getting 4 times the headshots I am

[errant pawn]

Most of what I’ve tried is mixed hordes. Jury still out elsewise

[patent mango]

ogryn height

[radiant lance]

What do you want me to do about that? lol

[celest valve]

There's also l1 -> h2 -> l4. Looks like you want to combo h2 into L4.

[rugged halo]

tall as possible

[patent mango]

all i've done is run melee builds

[autumn smelt]

scatter shot is up to 60% crit chance
scriers is 20% crit chance
psyker has 7.5% crit chance
psyker aura can give you 5% more

plus true aim exists

[patent mango]

now they're actually not goofy

[wind spruce]

Light Light Light heavy

[autumn smelt]

and can ensure crits anyway

[radiant lance]

Are you going to waste your scatter shot stacks on a single gunner? Is that your argument?

[autumn smelt]

and can happen back to back when manstopper is active

[wind spruce]

Or four lights if you get the weapon swap swing

[radiant lance]

What if there is, gasp, more than one gunner?

[celest valve]

have you actually tried the light push combo

[autumn smelt]

manstopper

[mossy oyster]

gets proven it can snipe

what if theres more than 1 gunner?

lol

lmao even

[autumn smelt]

which will reproc both scattershot and true aim

[autumn lark]

You said it has bad range and cole showed you killing a sniper from 20+ metres?

[errant pawn]

Not @ing me but I haven’t yet

[wind spruce]

Do you just mean push light heavy repeat

[radiant lance]

And they all just lined up for you nicely? You know they can move now, right?

[mossy oyster]

moving goalposts when proven wrong

[autumn smelt]

so you can ensure it crits again the next time

[mossy oyster]

never change soyker chat

[wind spruce]

Just for clarifications sake

[celest valve]

ya

[autumn smelt]

and so can you

[celest valve]

not just push, light push

[prime elk]

Based 🤝

[radiant lance]

Ya'll didn't prove anything. You proved the most squishy special in the game can die to a DBarrel, big whoop

[mossy oyster]

LOL

[autumn smelt]

you said it didnt have range

[mossy oyster]

I hate that psyker is my 2nd main

[autumn smelt]

i proved it has range

[mossy oyster]

so much

[main wyvern]

Chat this new patch is great I can just swap my blessings for not useless ones. Makes you wonder why they didnt just do that from the start

[patent mango]

melee psyker feels so nice now

[mossy oyster]

insufferable ass player base for the class

lmfao

[autumn lark]

Bros moving the goalpost hard

[patent mango]

i didnt actually expect this to work out to be honest

[radiant lance]

You didn't. I literally showed you it can't even kill a gunner for 10m

[olive ember]

that patch was like a month or two ago

[wind spruce]

Yeah I've tried it, it seems to be lower dps (but adds safety ofc)

[rugged halo]

https://tenor.com/view/internet-explorer-gif-24879124

[patent mango]

but fatshark cooked

[mossy oyster]

and he literally showed you sniping past that point

[radiant lance]

But no it can kill a sniper so it can 'snipe'

[mossy oyster]

but you cant accept that?

lmfao

psykers irl fr

[patent mango]

chat this new patch is so cool theres this new scriers gaze ability

[main wyvern]

Yeah but i reinstalled it yesterday!!

[errant pawn]

I have only been paying attention to the side conversation about heavy six and there’s a whole ass argument happening on the side

[autumn smelt]

and you showed it with 0 buffs, 0 crits

[radiant lance]

Yes on the literal most squishy special in the game

[autumn smelt]

which isnt going to happen in a real game

[celest valve]

well it's two fewer light attacks before the heavy

[autumn smelt]

psyker gets buffs out the ass

[mossy oyster]

you are a dog shit dillusional moron with evidence slapping you in the face

[autumn smelt]

for free

[mossy oyster]

and you cant accept it

[autumn smelt]

constantly

[rugged halo]

https://tenor.com/view/internet-explorer-free-microsoft-windows95-globe-gif-25756375

[mossy oyster]

I wish to be like you one day

[marble crater]

Because you play longer trying to get the perfect weapon, or something

[mossy oyster]

lmfao

[errant pawn]

Better download some RAM with that

[wind spruce]

You forgot thr 5% basic node you SCRUB

[spice veldt]

shlerp

[radiant lance]

evidence = killing a sniper, wow

[celest valve]

this is also you. :p

[main wyvern]

That didn't happen at all! After a few upgrades I was like nah!

[inland berry]

so wait

[mossy oyster]

bro mad his whole argument fell apart

[olive ember]

@spice veldt quick I need your guiding light, is mk 6 or mk 8 better.

I also did not mean to reply

[inland berry]

am i just bad and suck at crushers?

[radiant lance]

literally almost any ranged weapon can kill a sniper

[rugged halo]

even the fgs can kill a sniper at ranged

[cosmic sigil]

meanwhile, zealots...

[inland berry]

because it always seemed super risky to engage them in melee because i get 1shot if i fail

[autumn smelt]

these are all really easy to get

and really easy to use

[wind spruce]

Yeah but how many of those lights would be executed during the time of the push

[autumn smelt]

and really easy to maintain

[olive ember]

do zealots need buffs?

[autumn smelt]

and just 1 of them would result in that gunner dying

[errant pawn]

Mark eight is juicy for hordes, and take some finesse for elites. Reverse is true for Mark 6

[rustic crystal]

Same. It wasn't even... I had like 50k thrones or whatever, that's enough to check the armory for the godroll every hour and I did that for about 6 hours before I realized I didn't care.

[autumn smelt]

even without crits

[inland berry]

y'all are missing a big big thing which is the push stab does significantly less damage

[errant pawn]

Oh I read the edit lol

[cosmic sigil]

imagine doing that at the end of yard

so coool

[celest valve]

0.5 light attacks

[leaden osprey]

Yo

[autumn smelt]

you are judging a weapon based on its individual without any of the additional tools at your disposal that are not hard to use in the slightest

[wind spruce]

As in a push takes half the time of a single light attack?

[patent mango]

they should add multiplayer to this gamae

[radiant lance]

Yes. And all of that in order to achieve killing a single gunner in 2 shots rather than 3 at 10m. This isn't proving the weapon has good range, it proves it can be a little less dogshit at range if you stack buffs.

[celest valve]

a light push does yes

[autumn smelt]

thats like saying ogryn pickaxes are bad if you decide to avoid every melee damage node and dont take any damage blessings

[wind spruce]

Wtf is a light push

There's push and push attack

[celest valve]

when you clench your hand instead of doing the force push

[radiant lance]

I can't fathom why you would die on the hill of saying the shortest range weapon in the game by design (other than some staves and flamethrower) has good range, tbh.

[errant pawn]

I know what you’re talking about with the two different kinds of push but I don’t really know what you mean by following up the light with a push attack

[wind spruce]

Seems suspect but eh I haven't recorded the exact timings

[errant pawn]

Because it just seems to go back to the regular combo chain for me

[rustic crystal]

Can you do the thrust with just a light push? I'm almost certain you can't- Or are we on something else now?

[olive ember]

Have you tried pushing, but lightly

[wind spruce]

Yes lmfao

I know what a PUSH is and what a PUSH ATTACK is

[rustic crystal]

You've got to do the second stage of the push to get the thrust out, unless there's some weird tech

[celest valve]

it's a speciial light attack that can only be done after a push of both types

[wind spruce]

Don't call it something different just because the push attack is different on only force swords

[errant pawn]

Like normally you attack while pushing and the attack executeS after the block push animation is complete

[celest valve]

i'm talking about the mk6

[errant pawn]

So how do you do that when he has a two stage block push

I’m about to learn me a new skill

Teach us beloved

[olive ember]

I mean the stun is the push and the push back is the push attack

[wind spruce]

For the love of the emporer, the push is the hand grab, the push attack is the single target shove

[olive ember]

And then anything after that is a follow up

[rustic crystal]

Ahhh, I see.
The Mk. 6 only has a Light followup anyways, right?

[celest valve]

hold right click, tap left click and immediately let go of right click, tap left click, hold down left click

[olive ember]

[rustic crystal]

So it's a little confusing, because if a Mk.8 I would say Light/Heavy push for the followup attack being a light or heavy.

Not a... Half-push or light push or whatever.

[celest valve]

only the light followup seems to be special yes

[errant pawn]

[patent mango]

l1 into stab h2 is so nice

[olive ember]

Okay I was joking before but what the flying fuck is a light/heavy push

There’s push and push attack

[split lance]

ur trash kid

[wind spruce]

You're small

[celest valve]

Light Push/Push-attack follow-up combo look it's what the patchnotes calls it

[marble crater]

Push is the light push and push attack is the heavy push, if I followed the conversation correctly

[split lance]

STRAIGHT FACTS

[celest valve]

although i admittedly may have misunderstood that

[split lance]

my forearms finally grew tho

[rustic crystal]

That's what I'm saying, it's confusing. It makes sense the way it's being used for Mk6 but Mk8 doesn't.

[errant pawn]

See now where I was getting confused is I consider the block push where it actually pushes people down like the second stage of the block push not not the actual attack itself. I consider an attack something you do with your weapon so I think we are just getting confused on what we call the stages of grasping the air pushing the air and following up with a weapon

I understand you guys now

Sorry for the confusion

[celest valve]

light(the attack you're using to do the attack), push/push-attack(the two stages of the push) follow-up combo(the state it's in)

[marble crater]

We forgive you for derailing the entire psyker chat

[inland berry]

whats the breakpoints for killing crushers?

[wind spruce]

Derailment is why I love this chat

[wind spruce]

Break the point of your stick in his face

[celest valve]

also i can tell you now that it looks like the push is 0.5s or less because 0.5s is the stamina regen timer for the psyker, and you can spam it without missing a beat :p

[rustic crystal]

So what do y'all think?
Light Push, Heavy Push, Push Attack
Half Push, Push, Followup
(Half) Push, Heavy/Light Push

[wind spruce]

That means it's more than 0.5s?

[marble crater]

None of the above

[celest valve]

i also don't actually see any stamina regen if i do it right

[fresh reef]

How much hp does a reaper on Damnation have?

[wind spruce]

Right, wasn't sure what you meant by missing a beat

[digital narwhal]

hi chat

[wind spruce]

But back to back pushes possibly chain quicker than push > light

[digital narwhal]

So wait what's going on here?

[inland berry]

maaan

[fresh reef]

Hi Avery

[inland berry]

i would you scriers gaze

[rustic crystal]

You wanna share how you think is the best way to communicate or should we all just keep stumbling around in the dark playing "Don't grab the Inquisitor's backside"

[inland berry]

but bubble is so strong

[wind spruce]

FUN

[lyric atlas]

what are the top builds for psyker right now? my brain burst dueling sword build doesnt seem to be hackin it anymore

[marble crater]

Push, Push attack, follow up, imo

[celest valve]

people calling each other dogshit yelling at the top of their lungs and oh my god kobold kobold aaaaaaaa i want to steal you

[wind spruce]

No keystone 250 toughness build is top dog

[celest valve]

(ahem)

[lyric atlas]

is it fun? lol

[errant pawn]

Warp mania is what’s going on

[celest valve]

push, push-attack imo

i was wrong and i admit it

[wind spruce]

If you like being tied up by heretics

[fresh reef]

A good amount of psykers are pretty genuinely insufferable though

[celest valve]

but mostly I'm trying to keep to how the patch notes have it

[digital narwhal]

[stiff lotus]

wheres the pins for greatsword build?!

[errant pawn]

I think we just need to get on the same page but overall I’ve got some productive things to try after work

[inland berry]

why are we even arguing about the push attack?

like what was the point in the first place?

[errant pawn]

I don’t think we’re arguing the people were arguing about the shotgun on the side

[wind spruce]

So back to it... push > light > heavy or x3 light > heavy for MK6

[fresh reef]

@digital narwhal I nasally exhaled at your pronouns, thanks

[errant pawn]

Mostly we’re just talking about combos for the Mark6

[marble crater]

Someone using the term light push

[inland berry]

no no before that

[celest valve]

push/push-attack would be more correct technically than push, as both will work

[wind spruce]

Someone with the patience to record the exact timings work out how long each of these combos takes

[inland berry]

what was the debate before we got dragged into semantics?

[marble crater]

I forgot what happened before that, either arguing about the double barrel or which mark of the new sword is superior

[wind spruce]

#psyker-class message

[errant pawn]

Effective Combos for horde clear on the 6 which is rudely interrupted by a stab and very vertical

Rude for horde clear that is not for elites

[fresh reef]

I know the mk8 is well liked, but damn that damage decrease sucks

[autumn lark]

Just push attack heavy with mk8 pretty fast oneshot stab with a free stagger/knockdown

[wind spruce]

We're talking mk6

[lyric atlas]

can anyone link some meta builds , feel free to PM me, trying to get an idea of how to build/level my psysker

[wind spruce]

All staffs and a bunch of guns are meta. Pick one you want a build for

[errant pawn]

Look on the forums as well as the steam class page they have builds on them usually.

[inland berry]

the steam class page is currently pretty outdated

[errant pawn]

Not gonna claim they’re all good though…

[inland berry]

unfortunately

[errant pawn]

That’s a bummer!

[inland berry]

still a good resource though

[fresh reef]

H2-H3 loop feels insanely satisfying to use

Plus you can open bulwarks with it pretty easily if they're alone

[fresh dune]

What’s H2 H3 loop

[inland berry]

on mk 8

overhead into overhead

[fresh reef]

On mk6

[lyric atlas]

even brain burst and fire staff?

[lyric atlas]

fatshark forums?

[inland berry]

oh on mk6

[fresh dune]

Ohh

[analog agate]

Yes

[inland berry]

wait there's a heavy 3 on mk6?

[celest valve]

The second one with light attacks:

0.61s l1
0.58s l2
0.57s l3
0.45s h3 chargeup
0.65s h3

[wind spruce]

bb with inferno is very meta, yes

[celest valve]

(this is further modified by finessee which i did not include)

[fresh dune]

Brainburst fire staff shield is very fun

[inland berry]

just checked, no there's not, wdym?

[lyric atlas]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

this stilkl current?

[inland berry]

ish

[wind spruce]

Wait, you tested with a zero finesse weapon or do you think finesse from other sources increases attack speed?

[inland berry]

out of date by about 2 patches

[lyric atlas]

oh people were telling me brainburst was crap

[fresh dune]

Only downside is smite us better for CC but i dont like shriek very much and the gameplay is boring

Lol

I dont have EK staff leveled either

[fresh reef]

Shoutout to whoever decided to make the FGS Special killsound the exact same as BB

It's eargasmic

[wind spruce]

It supplements inferno specifically so you have some long range capability

[lyric atlas]

is there a class specific forum? all i can find on the forums is the psyker atheneukm

[fresh dune]

BB inferno shield build is is fav atm and i take into auric maelstrom

I can post build when I get home

[lyric atlas]

sick ty

[fresh dune]

The flame staff shreds armored enemies and ragers

[celest valve]

i'll be honest I'm just reading from the scripts themselves, I do not yet understand how finessee will alter these timings. :p

[errant pawn]

I’ll find it for you later I also am not home

[celest valve]

also geeze the timing for a push instead of a push-attack is 0.1 seconds that's harsh

(as in you have to hold it for less than 0.1s)

[fresh dune]

Brain burst has infinite range and can 2 shot crushers/bulwarks, or use brain burst once and finish them off with inferno staff

[steep kindle]

^ only thing it does not is crusher, but realistically if you run certain perks you can deal with this with other weapons + brain burst

[fresh dune]

The range is very clutch for dealing with snipers or far away gunners

[analog agate]

Meta inferno staff build

[lyric atlas]

thats a big part why i love bb, also its freaking hilarious to explode heads

[fresh dune]

Theres a perk that does a lot of dmg to one target, i forgot what its called but it does very well against crushers when paired with BB to follow up, or FGS

[lyric atlas]

what perks/blessings?

[marble crater]

Yeah, block and tap fire button bascially then let you

[wind spruce]

Ah fair. Finesse could be an important variable. Idk if it affects the push time?

[fresh dune]

though i admit smite is better if you have a zealot or vet to pop a crusher horde while you keep them in place

[olive ember]

There’s the sideways heavy after 3 light attacks on the mk 6

[north hatch]

@plucky flax so I found that I have to set my affinity in task manager so darktide uses my physical cores and none of my virtual cores and only 8

[analog agate]

Blaze away/nexus and flak/crit chance or unyielding

[steep kindle]

Blaze away warp nexus usually very strong, but there are other good ones as well

[north hatch]

And a lot of my performance issues dissapeare

[wind spruce]

I thought EE was meta for inferno

[steep kindle]

warp flurry also not bad

[errant pawn]

That’s assuming they don’t alt F4 just because you’re playing smite

[analog agate]

Ohhh yeah it is mb

[cosmic sigil]

Intel or AMD?

[fresh dune]

Real

[analog agate]

I quickly did thag

[north hatch]

And

[fresh dune]

Idk why people leave when seeing others builds tbh

[north hatch]

Amd

[fresh dune]

Like

I get it, some builds are op like smite and voc veteran

[cosmic sigil]

Hmm which model?

[fresh dune]

But damn just play the game 😭

[north hatch]

Ryzen 7 5800x

8 cores

[fresh dune]

Its also dumb bc auric and havoc encourage meta anyways

[inland berry]

one thing i don't really get is why you don't get any materials for havoc stuff

[analog agate]

Revised

[steep kindle]

smite is pretty controversal but it's def not a bad skill, especially on Auric in my eyes

[fresh dune]

Based take tbh

[cosmic sigil]

I have the 5900hs on my laptop...

[wind spruce]

I like it. I don't want stupid plasteel distracting me, or people being mat goblins on havoc

[fresh dune]

I just like shield more and my electrokinetic staff is ASS (proper stats but not refined) so im taking a break from smyker

[fresh reef]

Smite is great, it's just that most of the time the player using it is not

[cosmic sigil]

I may have to look at that

[fresh dune]

I used to run voidstrike but i prefer ek for elite clear

[errant pawn]

Cause some people have main character syndrome and don’t realize that they should move up to harder difficulties if they want a personal share of enemies… but then they’re builds fail cause at the core of the game it’s a team effort

[fresh dune]

Tbh

[fresh dune]

Real

[steep kindle]

the main reason why it's so controversial is that, at higher levels of play you WANT to be killing enemies ideally ASAP (to not get horded) or manage them in a way to not just get swarmed, smite often does not kill enemies

[fathom adder]

Smite was never bad, people who did literally nothing but Smite (and worse yet, were smug about doing it) was what gave it a bad name

[steep kindle]

but using it as a crowd management tool is very good

[marble crater]

That's what the caches are for right? I assume

[fresh dune]

Some guy got mad at me playing voc power sword plasma WM veteran once and called me a meta slave

I carried tf out of him in auric lmao, i think he was just mad he couldnt get the title 😭

[errant pawn]

💯

[north hatch]

I've found that this game when using virtual cores can cause massive performance issues so also make sure to set your threads to equal to physical cores is a thing I read too

So for me 8 threads for 8 cores

[fresh reef]

Also smite builds are doodoo and if you have smite with ER or Warp Unbound you should be flayed :))))

[cosmic sigil]

I think I have 16 cores

[wind spruce]

If smite isn't killing enemies via EP or creeping flames you just built wrong

[lyric atlas]

this betterr than the other?

[celest valve]

For the push followup combo:

0.45s push
0.53s light attack
0.45s h3 chargeup
0.68s h3

also i oooops on the last one, there's a min 0.45s charge time before the heavies

[analog agate]

Yes. Gives you protection from shooters

[steep kindle]

personally agree with this, I'm just saying that from an outside perspective

[errant pawn]

Hey Null

[fresh reef]

If your build is centered around smite it is morally incorrect

[inland berry]

is the bolt pistol a good delete button on psyker, or should i go for a different gun?

[steep kindle]

dependent on build, but it's not bad

[cosmic sigil]

I will look into that thanks

[fresh dune]

Again, paired with a vet running revolver/autogun/power sword (or even bolter plasma) smite is VERY good

Maybe zealot with DS

If not its kinda eh bc it doesnt kill very fast, which is why i prefer bb inferno shield

[north hatch]

I kinda wish there were threads for this thattalked about this extensively

[wind spruce]

Sure, but CF isn't exactly building around smite. EP... debatably

[north hatch]

Maybe there are and I'm blind

[fresh reef]

Bolt pistol is a very strong gun imo. Wouldn't use it on Havoc on account of the low ammo though

[errant pawn]

Do you have any testing on the smite electric heavy attacks+ the note that gives enemies a debuff if they’re electrified with the new heavy swords? I’ve been meaning to ask if that debuff is actually worth it @celest valve

[fresh reef]

CF?

[fathom adder]

Smiting just enough to spread it enough, then knocking things down with it and resuming killing is legit

[cosmic sigil]

I think modding discord is a good place for that

[celest valve]

that's 2.11s base for the push attack horizontal combos, and 2.86s for the light attack into h3 horizontal combos.

[wind spruce]

Creeping flames

[cosmic sigil]

Lot of technically oriented people

[fresh reef]

Ah

[fathom adder]

Especially if you weren't going to use Brain Burst or Assail anyways

[north hatch]

Modding discord is kinda empty I think I asked about it there and they didn't say anything

[fresh reef]

I'm still calling that Ascendant Blaze in the back of my head

[wind spruce]

So 33% more time to add two lights into the combo

[celest valve]

yup!

[fresh reef]

Where my Ascendant Blaze users at

[celest valve]

so okay the damage is kinda sucky and is like iunno i wanna say 80 base?

[fresh reef]

Better yet, where my Quickening users at?

[celest valve]

...testing it is difficult because the damage is random

[fresh reef]

All like, five of us

[fresh dune]

What enhancements do i use btw for purgatus flame staff

[errant pawn]

Hmm. Good to know

I’ve tried to test myself and haven’t really been able to nail down whether it’s doing much and I guess that’s why

[fresh reef]

Blaze Away and Warp Nexus with Flak and Maniac are the usual go tos

[inland berry]

oh! whats a good weapon for both elites and monstrosities?

[lyric atlas]

are the two handed power swords good?

[fresh reef]

Ranged or melee?

[inland berry]

ranged

[celest valve]

i like it on staves if I get the rending or peril reduction below

[errant pawn]

Because of course the electrification coming from your sword might not be applying the debuff that actually smiting is supposed too

[fresh reef]

Electro staff is probably best versus elites and monstrosities

Though Inferno is also quite strong if you can hit the 31 soulblaze cap

[errant pawn]

Have you tried the trauma staff

[fresh reef]

Trauma sucks against bosses

[inland berry]

is it rmb or lmb electro?

[fresh reef]

Rmb

[celest valve]

honestly it's complicated and I'm still looking through stuff. Interestingly I think it's the same electrocution shock maul applies, though.

[hearty laurel]

"The Force Greatsword is pretty cool but how does it compare to the Duelling Sw-"

My honest to God-Emperor reaction to that question:

[fresh reef]

Nexus/Flurry, Unyielding and Preference (whatever you want to die the most. Maniac for Ragers or specials, Carapace for crushers and scab Ragers, etc)

[steep kindle]

yes, I think a good option, especially if you're building something like voidstrike or isn't high hoard clear

[celest valve]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/1h62kcz/new_psyker_greatsword_is_sooo_satisfying/

this video tells you everything you need to know about "is psyker greatsword good"

[analog agate]

You should ask what mark is better. Mk6 or mk8

[steep kindle]

(it's 6)

[inland berry]

please don't

[celest valve]

i've watched that like 10 t imes already

[analog agate]

😈

[celest valve]

it's as good as the first time

[errant pawn]

[hearty laurel]

this is wonderful. thank you.

[tacit stump]

why is the psyker tree so weird compared to the others

[lyric atlas]

is this the meme argument thats been going on here?

[errant pawn]

Ask beloved why and you might get a riddle

[celest valve]

i'll be honest: because psyker has the best tree in the game in terms of pathing and choices to be made with it.

[analog agate]

If you scroll up to 1.5 hours ago there was a full blown argument over it haha

[lyric atlas]

i think i saw the tail end, damn now im torn... sword build or bb firestaff build....

[inland berry]

sword build

[wind spruce]

Mk6 gang

[hearty laurel]

if anything, you should be asking why fatshark despises the ogryn tree so much

[inland berry]

melee psyker is real and its great

[hearty laurel]

poor sweet brutes...

[errant pawn]

I’ll throw a third option out there Gunker with the great sword

[clear heath]

They should make it worse again

[celest valve]

i'm not getting into that because people seem tob e overreacting :p

[lyric atlas]

my other charcter is a vet tho, so kinda makes me wana do something dif on my psyhker

[steep kindle]

pure melee pskyer with this sword is

slightly more viable

[mental grail]

it's 8

[steep kindle]

given the damage modifiers

[celest valve]

honestly it's whichever one feels better for you to use after you learn the combos

[steep kindle]

but I DONT recommend it beyond like auric damnation

[hearty laurel]

i used to pray for times like this...

[steep kindle]

do not try to do a maelstorm on it

[wind spruce]

Maybe if you're bad

[steep kindle]

you will explode

[pulsar hazel]

why not? I'm carrying high havoc with it lmao

[celest valve]

i would try both and stick with the one you like better

[patent mango]

i already tried it on havoc 27 lmao (and won, though i had other good players)

[steep kindle]

oh fr

maybe im trolling then

[celest valve]

mk6 has better single target moves, mk8 has better horde moves

[mental grail]

don't listen to this chat too closely

[errant pawn]

Honestly I can’t go over the range on these great swords I can be like two crushers away and hit something

[pulsar hazel]

you might be? what are you running on it

it really loves Wrath

[wind spruce]

Heresy

[pulsar hazel]

without Wrath it struggles on high dens horde

[steep kindle]

right now wrath + riposte

[pulsar hazel]

thats what I run

[steep kindle]

which is- yeah what everyone is building

[pulsar hazel]

with cara% and unyielding%

[analog agate]

Psyker chat is bad at psyker. Only zealot chat good at psyker

[pulsar hazel]

idk how you're struggling then its kinda insane?

[steep kindle]

more so Im building like PURELY into it

is what im referencing

[pulsar hazel]

i mean so am i

[wind spruce]

It's true, but we are better at zealot (we don't play it)

[mental grail]

legitimate skill issue (jk)

[pulsar hazel]

im running it with assail, gaze and bistol

[steep kindle]

can I see your tree if you have the time?- ahhhh

ok that makes sense

im running a very different type of build

[mental grail]

same

[inland berry]

i mean, im doing wrath momentum

[patent mango]

fgs is quite strong lol

[steep kindle]

at least tree wise

[mental grail]

scriers with the greatsword is so kino

[celest valve]

1.5x range mod compared to the 1h force sword's 1.25

[inland berry]

i feel like i'll have to take deflector if i don't take bubble

[mental grail]

I run bpistol or accatran with it if I'm feeling funny

[hearty laurel]

i'm a zealot and psyker main. the moment the two handed sword came to psyker it was over for these heretics.

[pulsar hazel]

this but I actually popped in here to ask if there's any tweaks I could make (I like coherency on this I absolutely do not have a use for quell speed thanks for asking)

[patent mango]

get perilous combustion

[steep kindle]

perilous 100%

[errant pawn]

Just use assail. Stun the heretics and make like a Zealot

[celest valve]

same 1.2 unit hitbox tho

[wind spruce]

Take warp splitting over piercing shards. It's a straight upgrade

[pulsar hazel]

yup prob could, but then what would I drop?

[celest valve]

combat knife uses two hitboxes, 0.9 units 'short' and 1.1 units normal

[errant pawn]

For some reason it feels like so much longer though doesn’t it? As someone without numbers I’m surprised to see that it’s only .25 more

[main wyvern]

Chat theres a new node that reduces peril by 40% I can actually use my weapons now????

[celest valve]

(same 1.25x range mod tho)

[pulsar hazel]

hmm I see that yeah, it affects assail too?

[steep kindle]

should, it's just flat cleave%

[hearty laurel]

yes.

and welcome back

[celest valve]

yeah well most melee weapons are only 1.1 hitbox length with 1.25x range multiplier it looks like, such as the chainswords. :p

[main wyvern]

[lyric atlas]

bbinferno wants %toughtness im guedssing?

[pulsar hazel]

cool cool. perilous is great but frankly i kill elites so quickly it barely matters. issue is its hard for me to figure out what to get rid of

[mental grail]

I run this

[pulsar hazel]

hmm souldrinker + perilous is very intersting

[mental grail]

it's my gunker build that I slapped gs onto

[celest valve]

dueling sword is slightly longer than other weapons at 1.15

[steep kindle]

fair

[pulsar hazel]

if its with bistol i'd drop tranquility thru slaughter for kinetic deflection tbf

[prime elk]

PC's not needed if you're going right side anyway

[celest valve]

combat axe is 1, lmao, f in chat for combat axe

shorter range than some knife attacks

[pulsar hazel]

precognition?

[fast coral]

It's not a bad cc skill, I take issue with the ASS title smykers that just hold smite into a corner and die, then blame the whole group

[wind spruce]

No warp rider is based

[mental grail]

current rn is accatran recon

[errant pawn]

poor axe

[prime elk]

perilous combustion

[lyric atlas]

what melee wep do you use with BBinferno build?

[celest valve]

actually all axes are 1 length instead of usual 1.1 huh

[pulsar hazel]

fair. i dont bother cus the gs is so good at unyielding anyway

[steep kindle]

yeah that's just a skill issue

(on the part of the psk)

[celest valve]

ogryn combat blade is 1.1 too

[pulsar hazel]

I might honestly drop warp rider myself

[wind spruce]

Whatever's comfortable homie

[pulsar hazel]

i'll see if it makes a huge difference likely not

[steep kindle]

I've found it too niche to proc, you aren't spamming the charged up moonlight beam enough

[fresh dune]

I use force greatsword but the deimos force sword and dueling sword are good choices

[pulsar hazel]

yeah my thought too

[fresh dune]

mk 8 fgs

But i like mark 6 too

[pulsar hazel]

this builds around keeping peril low for gaze uptime anyway

[wind spruce]

Warp rider is damage based on peril

[fast coral]

Mk8 is more fun to use than mk6, but mk6 has a more predictable combo to me

[errant pawn]

Yesterday I tried taking off gunner resistance on my curios and I felt like that meme where the little guy comes out of the box gets punched and goes back in

[mental grail]

Mk8 is the simpler sword, Mk6 has all sorts of funky combos

[celest valve]

huh. pickaxe is 1.1 but has a 1.6 range mod weird

[steep kindle]

that's what im saying, I've personally never run into high peral situations using the build im currently using, with Gaze it's probably more common though

[fresh dune]

Im using fgs with precog and unstable, should I switch unstable for riposte?

[steep kindle]

so kind of dependent from build to build

[pulsar hazel]

with the fgs not having dueling sword/cknife dodges i prefer grabbing gunner res yeah

[long wharf]

alright siblings, what's the verdict on the new force sword?

[prime elk]

great

[inland berry]

amazing

[mental grail]

it's kino

[pulsar hazel]

it loves Wrath unless you're confident with riding the Warp Splitting line

[quick tulip]

peak

[fast coral]

Ah yeah I mixed up the marks

[wind spruce]

Terrible, pls buff

[analog agate]

The fuq is kino

[inland berry]

ok so i need y'all's opinionns

[languid osprey]

always good to know that you can count on random people to get havocs done

[errant pawn]

Needs more blessings. Needs creeping flames

[fresh dune]

Yeah i’ve been edging the warp this entire time lmao i might change to wrath

[inland berry]

kino is peak

[pulsar hazel]

actually made me like Psyker instead of regretfully clocking in every week for the Melk weeklies

[patent mango]

i give the force greatsword 5 (because i dont have any more )

[quick tulip]

the only issue with them is half of their blessings don't apply to the special, which would actually make it the best

[steep kindle]

but, tbh it seems extremely overkill @wind spruce to have warp rider in these scenarios, you are VERY often not breaking a breakpoint to one shot crushers, everything else is overkilled

[inland berry]

is it worth dropping the stamina curio

[fresh dune]

Honestly fgs is a lot of fun, but i wish the special was affected by blessings or hit harder

[inland berry]

for something else with gs

[analog agate]

I have no heard that zoomerism before

[prime elk]

yes

[pulsar hazel]

even if the special didn't exist for the FGS it'd still be fantastic

[celest valve]

so

2h Greatsword: 1.8 units
Pickaxe: 1.76 units
Most weapons: 1.375 units
Axes: 1.25 units
Short knife attacks: 1.125 units

[lyric atlas]

all my curious are +helath atm, should i redo for toughness?

[fresh dune]

Definitely

[pulsar hazel]

the special fucking rocks tho

[inland berry]

should i go full tgh then?

[fresh dune]

Its so fun

[mental grail]

horde-be-gone

[sacred crane]

how tf do i claim my havoc rewards

[fathom adder]

Next week

[prime elk]

2x toughness and 1x hp imo, until you hit 200 hp

[sacred crane]

so i have to wait

[wind spruce]

Depends what damage sources you're talking about. Assail, high rof guns, dots, and damage from melee cleave are all going to benefit strongly and don't really count breakpoints

[quick tulip]

rewards are given on weekly reset

[fresh dune]

I wish it had better dmg tho if they dont want blessings to work with it, or have it ignore armor like the purgatus fire staff or something

[main wyvern]

Chat what does weapon ilvl do? I have a white sword same ilvl as my gold sword but the stats are terrible!!

[mental grail]

Gunners hitweight being changed to 5 iirc sucks so much bro

[inland berry]

why 200 hp?

[analog agate]

Delayed. Satisfaction.

[mental grail]

and reapers will walk your ass down now

[fathom adder]

Yes, you collect weekly Havoc rewards at the start of the next week

[lyric atlas]

So 17% toughnmess the best curious? What blessings?

[prime elk]

you actually need more than 200hp, mb. it's the breakpoint for survivng two sniper or bursters

[mental grail]

problematic development

[fresh dune]

Weapon lvl allows you to put more enhancements and blessings on the weapon which is important bc blessings increase your weapon performance significantly

[mental grail]

now I gotta put more gunner res on my curios

[fresh dune]

As long as you have weapon mastery you can max out a weapon’s stats

Just make sure you have the proper dump stat

For fgs its warp res

[inland berry]

where do i even see my stats?

[quick tulip]

its been really entertaining rolling into Havoc missions and watching people fold like wet tissue paper because they didn't realize if your toughness breaks you take immediate damage

[hearty laurel]

i was about to ask why they made it weekly instead of instantaneous, but there'd be no point. wonder if it'll be fixed

[lyric atlas]

warp flurry no longer good for inferno? Blaze away superior?

[long wharf]

units of what?

[mental grail]

Sniper survival threshold, it's a little more that that actually iirc

[quick tulip]

que no los dos?

[fresh dune]

I run 2 toughness curios and 1 max HP curio

On all of them i run gunner reisstance, 30% toughness regen, and 5% toughness, except for one which i chose to have extra 5% max hp instead of the gunner damage resist

[fast coral]

Why are people in havoc if they don't understand how toughness works

[steep kindle]

it's not bad, but overall blaze away feels much better

[celest valve]

absolute units(i don't know)

[fresh dune]

I might switch out another gunner dmg resist for max hp since i use shield

[wind spruce]

This is reach, right?

[lyric atlas]

using warp nexus as the other

[quick tulip]

I'm sure they know how toughness works

they just miss this little bit under "auric intensity activated"

[mental grail]

Realest fucking question

[main wyvern]

My gold ilisi has good stats and the best blessings and perks. But it is 440 ilvl. I also have a white ilisi at 470 ilvl. I still dont know what ilvl does

[fresh dune]

Make sure you have the proper dump stat tho (a dump stat should be 60% max when everything is 80%)

For force swords it’s warp resist

For staves its always also war resist except for the voidstrike staff, which is blast radius

[celest valve]

ya

[inland berry]

better question

how much % health is necessary to hit that breakpoint?

[lyric atlas]

i thought with the new ssystem you can upgrdae everything up to max?

[fresh dune]

So to put it short

A gold lvl sword can put what’s called blessings (two thingies on the bottom of the stat sheet) and enhancements (for example, 25% carapace damage)

[steep kindle]

as an example of dumpstats

(or a good one)

[mental grail]

another example

[quick tulip]

and an example where it's not just flat 80s and 60s

[mental grail]

a dumpstat allows all the other attributes to be maxed out

[tacit stump]

that you do only for levelling when you get weapons from melk

[quick tulip]

"dumpstat" tends to refer to the above, where they're all evened out

[fathom adder]

I have 205 HP with:

• 1x +21% HP Curio
• 1x +5% HP Curio Perk
• 1x +10% HP Talent Node (the one right above the Empowered Psionics branch)

[fresh dune]

You can, but you still need to have a certain dump stat because all swords come with a maximum value on their stats

But say if your damage is like, 50% and the maximum is 80% should loom like [50/80]% you can max the sword dmg up to 80 which is the best and highest stat

You just need weapon mastery which you get by using the weapon more

[celest valve]

hmmm

[inland berry]

do % increases stack addititvely in this game?

[celest valve]

also this may vary as different moves have different range.

[celest valve]

which % increases

[fathom adder]

I think that's actually the only +HP node in the Psyker tree actually

[celest valve]

usually they do

[steep kindle]

depends on the buff but most times then not yes

[celest valve]

sometimes they don't

[errant pawn]

The sprint stab on the duelling sword definitely has a ghost tip

[inland berry]

oh lovely, it's not consistent

[steep kindle]

it is not yes

[celest valve]

lol is the 2h power sword for zealots really shorter than the psyker one that's hilarious

[inland berry]

curio buffs and the 10% health node

[errant pawn]

We are the emperor’s favourite that’s why.

[fathom adder]

Different for each effect, including different effects that affect the same stat, you'd have to look each one up

[haughty star]

Psyker is like the hardest character to get sniped on except maybe zelly i never build for sniper bp. I'd put bomber/flamer res on before id build for a sniper shot for all the 3 heads tryna be heros ressing in the fire

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve dumped all resist on havoc psyker for tough/hp/combat ability

[celest valve]

ogryns exist you know

[fast coral]

That's what I'm doing

[haughty star]

This is the way

[fast coral]

I'm not really seeing a need for resists tbh

[cosmic sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-nuclear-weapons-nti-nuclear-threat-initiative-war-ntigeneral-gif-25703883

[haughty star]

The bomber and flamer ones can be super impactful

[zinc phoenix]

There’s just no point in the resist curios, if you get hit by the big stuff you’re fuckin donezo so may as well be able to endure a little more corruption n shit

[fathom adder]

I get HP more for pox bursters than snipers tbh. Bursters that stand in doorways until they become shove immune, Bursters getting shoved forward by things that should have shoved them backward, Bursters blowing up because they decided they'd try climbing a thing they could have pathed around, and ||my own ability to not get hit by them|| will likely never be fixed

[long wharf]

gunner res is very nice

as is sniper res

[errant pawn]

Hmm I don’t know about that. Gunner resistant stacking is pretty nice when a group of shotgunners turn the corner

[zinc phoenix]

Also gotta say I’ve been shooting for suppression against the shooters and it has been massively impactful

[celest valve]

it's not even a little shorter. zealot gets almost normal weapon range on their power swords while psykers literally break reality for long long swords

[long wharf]

unless damage numbers have been changed since I last played

[zinc phoenix]

If that happens on havoc 21+ you’re dead end of story

[fast coral]

Shotgunners don't even count under gunner resist lmfao

[zinc phoenix]

The resist won’t matter

You either dodge them or you die

[errant pawn]

WHAT

[charred bear]

Favorite snack maybe

[haughty star]

Doesn't void have like insane suppression?

[fast coral]

Literally the only mobs that count under gunner resist is dreg and scab gunners

[haughty star]

I know all the lmbs do

[fast coral]

Not shotgunners

[zinc phoenix]

Maybe but I’ve been doing lmb on trauma to scare shit away

[clear heath]

and reapers

[steep kindle]

Also wanted to ask, why run true aim here? does it work on the slash?

[celest valve]

gunners are only the enemies that shoot at you for like 20 seconds

[zinc phoenix]

Had a wild havoc 20 with a zealot who knew his shit, an inexperienced ogryn and a guy who left halfway thru

And I was shooting little balls to suppress shit so I could not die the instant bubble went down lol

[mental grail]

common psyker w

[errant pawn]

WHat

So not even the chaff???

[haughty star]

I wish there was something ||other than fixing my skill issue|| that would stop the little shooters from picking at you

[cosmic sigil]

They feel lighter tho

[zinc phoenix]

“Chaff” mfer those guys fuckin shred now

[errant pawn]

I swear to the emperor the description in this game has been leading me astray even with the mods to improve them

[zinc phoenix]

I’m more scared of shooters than I am maulers 😂

[fast coral]

I did 35 havoc with no resists, force GS with wrath/deflector, DD scrier build.

Next time I'm trying bubble

[mental grail]

Important because Reapers got their aggro range increased, as well as their hitweight.

[fathom adder]

No, Gunner Resist does not affect regular shooters

[errant pawn]

Honestly same which is why I thought I needed them on my curios

[zinc phoenix]

Just bring deflector and bubble or wall and hope like hell

[clear heath]

and havoc reaper/gunners are fucked up

the firerate

[zinc phoenix]

They’re insane

[errant pawn]

[fathom adder]

There is also IIRC a Havoc modifier that makes ranged enemies target and shoot at you faster

[haughty star]

Will recon suppress them enough to burn em down?

[zinc phoenix]

And more accurate

No bursts into empty space

[fast coral]

If they don't have green buff sure

[haughty star]

Thats been my defense against them in regular auric

[fathom adder]

Does Recon suppress anything?

[zinc phoenix]

They full auto you right in the center of mass

[fast coral]

my dad from coming back

[zinc phoenix]

I played like a quarter of the last game at 1hp with rest full corruption, it was ridiculous

[celest valve]

also electrocution has GibbingPower.infinite

this is funny to me

literally unlimited power

[errant pawn]

Of the dark side

I feel the great need to make an info graphic breaking down what is an isn’t covered by curios and group together by unyielding, maniac, flack etc.

[zinc phoenix]

I can make it to 25 but there’s no fuckin way I’m getting to 30 😂

[errant pawn]

Because… I’ve been playing hundreds of hours with gun resistance thinking it was doing something

F

[zinc phoenix]

I’m pretty sure it decreases the stun

B/c when I run like 60% gunner resist in auric mael I can kinda ignore them

[long wharf]

well alright Sour Milk, I'll buy this one

[lyric atlas]

so even at 500 not eveyrthing will be 80%?

[steep kindle]

rng dependent

sometimes yes

sometimes no

[long wharf]

I haven't played in a few months

[zinc phoenix]

4x 80, 1x60

[mental grail]

Yeah

[errant pawn]

Noo not warp res being maxed

[long wharf]

I spent all of my dockets before I stopped

I have zero ordos

what's the difference between the two greatsword marks?

[clear heath]

oh no

[mental grail]

6 = strikedown elite killer

[zinc phoenix]

8 is horde clear with mega push attack poke

[fresh dune]

Mk 8 is better for general horde clear, mk 6 is better for elite

[mental grail]

8 = sweeping anti-horde

[fresh dune]

The mk 8 push is very funny

[zinc phoenix]

I am a fan of 6 because everything is flak anyway

[long wharf]

so I'm going to want both variants for different setups

alright, thanks

[zinc phoenix]

I haven’t seen a pox walker who isn’t moebian 21st with green shit on it in days 😂

[pliant tendon]

do i dump defences on the greatsword? or warp res

[patent mango]

peak strat is 4 purg 4 bubble 4 warp charge psykers

[static needle]

Which mark of greatsword is the best?

[mental grail]

I use wrath and 8 cleaves through p much everything

[zinc phoenix]

Depends on if you want to crit spam with the special or be normal sword person

[mellow pendant]

here we go again

[mental grail]

Depends on what you want

[fathom adder]

Mk8, because Mk6 is gaudy with way too much gold on it

[pliant tendon]

i don't know what i want tbh

[long wharf]

ew, ugh, the voice actress for the commissar

[clear heath]

dump warp res either way

[mental grail]

Dump warp res immediately

[long wharf]

either they need to decide what her accent should be, or she needs to practice

[zinc phoenix]

If you hate her she’s doing a great job 😂

[primal plume]

is this good for inferno or nah

[pliant tendon]

i like hearing that because the first one i see is

[mental grail]

she sounds like someone i know irl, which is very funny

[nocturne stream]

yee

[marble crater]

It's good for almost every psyker build, imo

[long wharf]

she doesn't maintain the accent well when her voice lowers

[fresh dune]

I like Dukane’s character as a pretentious comissar but as someone who has like 5 slavic friends the accent sounds off slightly, idk how to explain 😭

[mental grail]

Literal god-roll

[fresh dune]

Its not bad tho

[mental grail]

kiss hadron for me

[zinc phoenix]

I ran one with high warp resistance and dumped defense with activation crit and used it for special sniping and liked it a lot. I also liked the defense max one. Both feel good to me

[fresh dune]

I saved up 1 mil ordo dockets for the new weapons before update

[long wharf]

the problem with the accent is that it's not consistent

[fresh dune]

Only for me to get a fucking 60% warp res fgs on the third roll

Lmao